Fox cancel Arrested Development and 7th Heaven

[Kif]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20051111/113172195800.html

I was just getting into that show too, it's hilarious.

[Hep Kat]

that's too bad 7th heaven's been around for as long as i can remember.

[Jonny]

So what will Fox cancel next?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a load of money and I'm gonna set up a TV network and only show new episodes of all these shows other networks have cancelled. We'll have Firefly, Futurama, Arrested Development, Farscape, Angel. And we'll get Scrubs and give it a regular timeslot. And we wont have crappy, American style ''mid-season hiatus's''.

So who's with me?

[Hep Kat]

i'll help, but morally, not financially.

[Kif]

So what will Fox cancel next?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a load of money and I'm gonna set up a TV network and only show new episodes of all these shows other networks have cancelled. We'll have Firefly, Futurama, Arrested Development, Farscape, Angel. And we'll get Scrubs and give it a regular timeslot. And we wont have crappy, American style ''mid-season hiatus's''.

So who's with me?
Yeah!

This calls for an 80's montage!

[Jonny]

Yeah!

This calls for an 80's montage!
What other shows could we get? We might be able to get Family guy- possibly American Dad too.

[Kif]

Is The PJs still on?

[bradc1988]

Words cannot express how pissed off I am right now. Arrested Development is one of the greatest shows on TV at the moment, I hate Fox with a passion..........:angry:

[BlastFunk03]

Im thinking Arrested Development will pull a Family Guy, and return.

[Lydisk]

7th heaven....was that the christian family series?

[Mister_Che]

They couldn't have done any worse by cancelling Arrested Development. That show was genius.

[ThePatient]

Last time they canceled Arrested Development, everyone sent them bananas. Who's with me?

The funny thing about it being canceled is that its being canceled to give Prison Break more airtime. What exactly happens on that show? Does he fail to escape in every episode? Does he get lost and get thrown into hilarious situations? Seriously, I have no idea how there can be more than 2-3 episodes of that show.

Losing Arrested Development is horrible, but when they cancel Scrubs I think I'll have a breakdown...

[Mister_Che]

Actually, I watched one episode of Prison Break, and I thought it was great. But it wasn't worth losing Arrested Development for it.

[Illmatic]

Yeah, I can't imagine Prison Break being anything more than a one-season wonder...what's he going to do, get sent back to prison for Season 2?

[Mister_Che]

Maybe another set of prisoners?




On an island floating over lava on the moon?

[ThePatient]

There should only be one prison show, and that was Oz. And even that had its time to go. Though the last episode was a major let down.

[thedeadwalk!]

I didn't like either show. Though Beverly Mitchell is so darn cute.

[Against Miik!]

I didn't like either show. Though Beverly Mitchell is so darn cute.

I like the younger one better. Shes like 15 now so its not that wierd...right?

Anyways Arrested Development was one of the greatest shows on TV. I thought Fox had come to there senses after bringing back Family Guy, but this just makes no sense. I mean, sure it wasn't drawing in Friends or Seinfeld numbers, but it was a critically acclaimed show, and has an extremely faithful fanbase. Of course it is all about money though. And Prison Break is not the greatest thing in the world. I mean, its entertaining, I watch it sometimes, but its hardly memorable.

The only thing Fox has now is Family Guy and 24....and sometimes football. Besides that, they are the worst network on television.

[ThePatient]

Hey now, let's not forget UPN and WB. But yeah, they've been going down since they dumped Family Guy and then Futurama. Just really, really, stupid moves.

But I will say that last episode of Family Guy ranks among my all-time favorites.

[Kif]

Last time they canceled Arrested Development, everyone sent them bananas. Who's with me?

The funny thing about it being canceled is that its being canceled to give Prison Break more airtime. What exactly happens on that show? Does he fail to escape in every episode? Does he get lost and get thrown into hilarious situations? Seriously, I have no idea how there can be more than 2-3 episodes of that show.

Losing Arrested Development is horrible, but when they cancel Scrubs I think I'll have a breakdown...
Rumours are Scrubs is finishing after season 5 anyway. There's been some disputes on the set between some of the cast and crew, so I have a feel that after this it might all be over

[ThePatient]

Yeah, that's what I figured. Do you know if Elliot actually left the hospital, or is she coming back?

[chorbalan]

I hated 7th Heaven with a passion. It was a peice of crap outlet for American propaganda and If I lived in a family like that I would resort to drugs and animal cruelty.

[Zmev]

Why do they always cancel shows people like?

[Kurtz]

Fox sucks.

Who knows, maybe they'll send AD to HBO like The Sopranos.

[Untitled]

Arrested Development was cool :upset:

[Scoot]

Ah, I hate how Fox always cancels shows that appeal to viewers.

What, are they trying to get themselves bankrupted?

[manuscriptreplica]

Comedy Channel in australia is whoring out Arrested development to the max. It's great :cool:

It's stupid it got cancelled, didnt it win like 5 emmys? Why aren't people watching it?

[Against Miik!]

Comedy Channel in australia is whoring out Arrested development to the max. It's great :cool:

It's stupid it got cancelled, didnt it win like 5 emmys? Why aren't people watching it?

Becuase they are to busy watching the O.C. and Americas Next Top Model...

Since i'm guessing your an Aussie, these are HORRIBLE shows.

Yes I am insinuating that people are stupid.

[simplephotographinthesun]

eh, put arrested development on FX and all will be well.

fx would then have a pretty respectable lineup consisting of the shield, nip/tuck, that dennis leary firefighter show (i think its called rescue me) and arrested development.

[Tails]

The only problem with Arrested Development is it's hard to attract new viewers. The show is so clever and has so many in-jokes that new viewers wouldn't catch on, while regular viewers love it. It is probably one of the smartest and funniest shows on television right now but hey, it doesn't have a laugh track so the general public can't tell which parts they are supposed to laugh at.

[Kurtz]

The only problem with Arrested Development is it's hard to attract new viewers. The show is so clever and has so many in-jokes that new viewers wouldn't catch on, while regular viewers love it. It is probably one of the smartest and funniest shows on television right now but hey, it doesn't have a laugh track so the general public can't tell which parts they are supposed to laugh at.
That's a shame, because most of the time the funniest shows are the ones that don't have the laugh track.

Like I said, hopefully they'll start showing it on HBO. Of course, they would have to start by showing Season 1 first, and then show new episodes.

[manuscriptreplica]

Becuase they are to busy watching the O.C. and Americas Next Top Model...

Since i'm guessing your an Aussie, these are HORRIBLE shows.

Yes I am insinuating that people are stupid.

I have both shows here, don't watch them though. I hate the O.C. Never watched ANTM, but can't imagine it being too great.

[ThePatient]

If anyone can get their hands on the Season 2 dvd, watch the blooper reel. At the end of it David Cross goes on a huge rant about how they won all those Emmy's, People's Choice Awards, and so on. He then points out the horrible marketing, and calls out Fox's marketing department, its hilarious. My friend and I had a marathon in memorium for it. *wipes away a tear*

[Bazarov]

So what will Fox cancel next?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a load of money and I'm gonna set up a TV network and only show new episodes of all these shows other networks have cancelled. We'll have Firefly, Futurama, Arrested Development, Farscape, Angel. And we'll get Scrubs and give it a regular timeslot. And we wont have crappy, American style ''mid-season hiatus's''.

So who's with me?

I used to love Farscape.

[ThePatient]

I'll help only if we show Homicide and ER (up until Noah Wyle left).

[Kithkin]

Really? They only had a 4 million point draw after 5 ****ING WEEKS ABSENCE THANKS TO BORING ****ING BASEBALL


WHY THE **** DID FUTURAMA GET CANCELLED? BECAUSE OF ****ING FOOTBALL.

I ****ING HATE ****ING SPORTS AND FOX







Seriously, what the hell are they thinking. It wins countless awards and gets poor ratings thanks a) to a moving timeslot and b) thanks to 2 seasons of following the new terrible simpsons.

What the hell did they think? Review after review told them it was the best show on television, and right after they market it's time slot change heavily, they pull it for 5 weeks and expect a giant ratings draw on it's first week back.

Here's a hint fox. People who watch sports, hate Arrested Development. Another free hint fox. People who like Arrested Development, hate baseball more than the simple life. More than strip mall. More than Mind of Mencia even.

Because people who watch Arrested Development aren't mildely retarded.


You are going to regret cancelling this show even more than you regreted cancelling Family Guy. Because Family guy is animated and voice talent is the easiest part of that show. But 4 years down the line when the 3 seasons of AD you've released are rivaling Firefly and Serenety for DVD sales, you won't risk the money on a Arrested Development movie because smart comedys like Martin and Olaf don't do well (know your Upright Citizens Brigade) and you'll make far less than if you kept it around.


Because ratings are no longer everything. The thing about Arrested Development is the thing about Naruto. The people who like it don't like it, the love it. They buy the ****. I've bought 9 dvds in my life. 2 are family guy. 1 is the bouncing souls. 3 are Simpsons (the good years). 2 are Kevin Smith films and 1 was Arrested Development.

I don't buy crap. I have countless hours of downloaded tv material. But the stuff I buy is stuff I want to show my kids someday. It's that important to me.

[ThePatient]

I ****ING HATE ****ING SPORTS AND FOX
Hey now, let's not go saying things we can't take back.

Arrested Development was killed by lack of advertising and commitment, Scrubs was killed by NBC hiding it and not telling anyone, and I'm not sure what happened to Futurama since I never watched it when it was on Fox. Moral of the story: Get TiVo.

[Kithkin]

No, Futurama was killed by football.

Tivo wouldn't have helped it because it never aired. Futurama was on air for 5 regular seasons, but only aired 4 seasons worth of material.

A whole season of episodes were pre-empted by football.


Arrested Development is in exactly the same situation.

3 seasons, but only showing 2 and a half seasons worth of episodes because Fox cares more about showing Baseball than good television.

Something I can't take back?

I play sports, thank you very much, but I don't watch them. That is the single most boring thing I can think of. I'd rather watch poker than sports.

[Illmatic]

Here's a hint fox. People who watch sports, hate Arrested Development. Another free hint fox. People who like Arrested Development, hate baseball more than the simple life. More than strip mall. More than Mind of Mencia even.

Because people who watch Arrested Development aren't mildely retarded.


Thank you for your sweeping indictment of sports fans.

Am I allowed to call you a pathetic virgin nerd who cries when video game characters die?

And Futurama died because it wasn't a very good show.

[ThePatient]

Well I didn't know that, which is why I said I didn't know what happened to Futurama. Did they release them on DVD?

And I said get TiVo because chances are your favorite shows are going to get replaced by Prison Break or Lost.

[Scythe404]

As a "Firefly" fan, guys, let me say that i deeply, and from the bottom of my heart, understand your frustration and rage.

Fox is exactly what keeps television's overall IQ value well below three digits.

[Illmatic]

I play sports, thank you very much, but I don't watch them. That is the single most boring thing I can think of. I'd rather watch poker than sports.

I caught re-runs of Futurama on Cartoon Network recently, and I don't see how it's better TV than pro football. But that's just me.

[JohnXDoe]

Fine. They should cancel the whole ****ing network. :smash:

[ThePatient]

Something I can't take back?
Its a figure of speech.

And Arrested Development wasn't killed by baseball. Its been struggling to stay afloat since it first started. It doesn't get ratings no matter where they slot it. So stop trying to blame sports just because you don't like to watch them. The show got critical acclaim, but it couldn't attract viewers because you have to have a certain sense of humor, and a knowledge of the show to appreciate it.

[Kithkin]

Again, how is tivo going to help shows that are getting cancelled?


You can call me whatever you want. It isn't true. You might like baseball and Arrested Development. But the chances are if you like one, you don't like the other.

Arrested Development requires a mind to watch. Baseball doesn't. It's as simple as that. You can enjoy baseball if you have a mind, but it doesn't require one. Sports are even with Reality Television and appeal to the depths of society. That's why they're popular.

And that's the problem with Fox. They treat every viewer the same way, as a veiwer. But there are differnt types. If Fox had Scrubs and Arrested Development, they could show them on alternate weeks and maintain the same audience because their humor is similar. But when you alternate Arrested Development's timeslot with something like baseball you lose every Arresed Development viewer who doesn't like baseball, which is a pretty high percentage of Arrested Development viewers.

[Smokey D]

And Futurama died because it wasn't a very good show.

Bite your tongue, you evil child.

[Kithkin]

Its a figure of speech.

And Arrested Development wasn't killed by baseball. Its been struggling to stay afloat since it first started. It doesn't get ratings no matter where they slot it. So stop trying to blame sports just because you don't like to watch them. The show got critical acclaim, but it couldn't attract viewers because you have to have a certain sense of humor, and a knowledge of the show to appreciate it.

And you can't come into a season of 24 or Prison Break midway because you'll be lost.

Yet Fox makes good use of FX and weekends to give their viewers time to catch up on those dramas.

There are no re-runs of Arrested Development.

Fox moved Arrested Development to Monday not because it wasn't doing well on Sunday, but because they thought it could win that timeslot. Just like they moved Family Guy around after it won its emmy's. But that never ever works.

The reason it doesn't work is because those reviews say "watch x show on sunday at 9" and when the show isn't on at sunday at 9 potential viewers shrug their shoulders and watch something else. Then they see ads for the show the kinda remember reading a review of on the network and think to themselves "I should probably watch that" but they've missed the premier or the ad doesn't stick in their head so they don't bother.

It's almost as if TV network execs don't understand basic marketing.

[Illmatic]

How's the view up from your high horse?

edit: that was in response to your first post

Bite your tongue, you evil child.

No, it's not a very good show at all. It has its moments but overall it's very underwhelming.

[ThePatient]

Jesus, the Tivo thing was a joke. And your baseball theory doesn't make sense. Because fans of the show aren't going to stop watching because baseball is being played for a couple weeks. They're going to know that the show will be back, they're not going to think "oh well since baseball is on now, then I guess there will always be baseball on now".

[Kurtz]

Again, how is tivo going to help shows that are getting cancelled?


You can call me whatever you want. It isn't true. You might like baseball and Arrested Development. But the chances are if you like one, you don't like the other.

Arrested Development requires a mind to watch. Baseball doesn't. It's as simple as that. You can enjoy baseball if you have a mind, but it doesn't require one. Sports are even with Reality Television and appeal to the depths of society. That's why they're popular.

And that's the problem with Fox. They treat every viewer the same way, as a veiwer. But there are differnt types. If Fox had Scrubs and Arrested Development, they could show them on alternate weeks and maintain the same audience because their humor is similar. But when you alternate Arrested Development's timeslot with something like baseball you lose every Arresed Development viewer who doesn't like baseball, which is a pretty high percentage of Arrested Development viewers.

So you're saying AR is too complex for someone who likes to watch baseball? And sports are still popular in countries that don't have reality shows, but they still have smart people who like sports.

[ThePatient]

And you can't come into a season of 24 or Prison Break midway because you'll be lost.

Yet Fox makes good use of FX and weekends to give their viewers time to catch up on those dramas.

There are no re-runs of Arrested Development.

Fox moved Arrested Development to Monday not because it wasn't doing well on Sunday, but because they thought it could win that timeslot. Just like they moved Family Guy around after it won its emmy's. But that never ever works.
Exactly, which is why I, and so many other people blame Fox and their marketing department for the show's demise.

[Illmatic]

Also, I don't think Bud Selig, the Chicago White Sox, the Houston Astros, or anyone else asked FOX to run double episodes of Prison Break on Mondays even when there was no baseball this offseason.

[Kithkin]

How's the view up from your high horse?



Very superior.


Europeans see shows like the Office succeed and don't expect their shows to run for more than a few series of 6 episodes seasons. Their doing fine even with their futbol obsession.

[ThePatient]

Also, I don't think Bud Selig, the Chicago White Sox, the Houston Astros, or anyone else asked FOX to run double episodes of Prison Break on Mondays even when there was no baseball this offseason.
I wouldn't be so sure. It could have been part of their master plot to deprive all those thinkin-men of their picture box shows. :rolleyes:

[Illmatic]

I wouldn't be so sure. It could have been part of their master plot to deprive all those thinkin-men of their picture box shows. :rolleyes:

Right.

If The Office ever gets cancelled, it's the NBA's fault. Just throwing that out there ahead of time.

[Smokey D]

No, it's not a very good show at all. It has its moments but overall it's very underwhelming.

I find it to be quite exquisitely funny. You have to like dry humour, though.

[Kithkin]

Jesus, the Tivo thing was a joke. And your baseball theory doesn't make sense. Because fans of the show aren't going to stop watching because baseball is being played for a couple weeks. They're going to know that the show will be back, they're not going to think "oh well since baseball is on now, then I guess there will always be baseball on now".

You greatly overestimate the american TV viewing populace.

AD viewers don't have anything else to watch on FOX. After 2 weeks of dissapointment at seeing Baseball supplant the best show on TV, they'll stop watching the network and miss the ads telling them when it next airs.



So you're saying AR is too complex for someone who likes to watch baseball? And sports are still popular in countries that don't have reality shows, but they still have smart people who like sports.


In america, yes. In Europe, the people may obsess over sports, but they still know quite a bit about their political systems. Something americans cannot say. So yeah, because americans care more about their sports than their political systems, I can say with near absolute certainy that the average Baseball fan won't understand much of the humor in:

Arrested Development
Upright Citzens Brigade
Kids in the Hall
Strangers with Candy
The Colbert Report
The Daily Show
Mr Show
Scrubs
Sports Night (yes, even though it has sports in the title)
The Office (either us or brit)
The West Wing.

Now of course. They'll understand the blunt stuff. The captions on the Daily Show's graphics. The physical humor in Scrubs and Arrested Development and Strangers With Candy. The Cabbage Head in Kids in the Hall.

But every show I just listed is near constant hilarity. So long as you can follow it.

[Kurtz]

I can say with near absolute certainy that the average Baseball fan won't understand much of the humor in:

Arrested Development
Upright Citzens Brigade
Kids in the Hall
Strangers with Candy
The Colbert Report
The Daily Show
Mr Show
Scrubs
Sports Night (yes, even though it has sports in the title)
The Office (either us or brit)
The West Wing.
I'm sorry, but that is a ****ing absurd generalization if I've ever heard one.

[Kithkin]

Well, generalizations are what marketing runs on.

They call them demographics.

Can you honestly say that the demographic Baseball appeals to is the same one those shows appeal to?

[ThePatient]

You greatly overestimate the american TV viewing populace.

AD viewers don't have anything else to watch on FOX. After 2 weeks of dissapointment at seeing Baseball supplant the best show on TV, they'll stop watching the network and miss the ads telling them when it next airs.
Wow, good job contradicting yourself. According to you, Arrested Development viewers have to be the intellectual type, which would mean that they would know when the show was coming back, or at least when the World Series was over. I'm not even going to comment on the second part of your post because its so incredibly stupid.

[Kurtz]

Can you honestly say that the demographic Baseball appeals to is the same one those shows appeal to?
What are you judging that from? Ratings?

[ThePatient]

And if stupid 13 year old girls can find humor in The Daily Show, then I'm pretty sure 25-40 year old men could figure it out. You give that show way too much credit.

-Its now 3:00 so I'm going to bed because I can see you just aren't going to get it.

[Illmatic]

Considering I don't think baseball fans are whiny elitist self-important college kids, no, I don't think the demographics mix.

Arrested Development
Upright Citzens Brigade
Kids in the Hall
Strangers with Candy
The Colbert Report
The Daily Show
Mr Show
Scrubs
Sports Night (yes, even though it has sports in the title)
The Office (either us or brit)
The West Wing.

Very big fan of The Daily Show, Colbert Report, Arrested Development, Mr. Show, and The Office (US version; never got around to seeing the British version). Kind of like Scrubs. Don't like the rest. But then again, I'm just a retarded sports fan who can barely write his own name, much less understand the amazing subtleties of those shows. So there.

[Kithkin]

Wow, good job contradicting yourself. According to you, Arrested Development viewers have to be the intellectual type, which would mean that they would know when the show was coming back, or at least when the World Series was over. I'm not even going to comment on the second part of your post because its so incredibly stupid.

Lazy and Intellectual are not mutually exclusive.

Intellectuals are finding less and less to watch on the major networks.FX and HBO have better dramas for them that deal with real issues, not just crime scenes. Comedy Central and Adult Swim have better comedies.

The major networks cover the 18-25 age group but don't air anything that that demographic cares about.

[Illmatic]

and Adult Swim have better comedies.

Right, so football is retarded but Aqua Teen Hunger Force isn't? :rolleyes:

[Kithkin]

Look, I'm not saying that someone who likes Baseball or Football is always going to hate Arrested Deveolopment.

I'm saying that statisticly. They are going to watch something else.

It's a completely different kind of entertainment. One is base and one is intellectual. I'm not a PC liberal who thinks every kind of entertainment is equal.

Arrested Development is better entertainment than a sporting event.

You guys are arguing from a personal point of view. I don't care if you like both. I don't care if you like baseball and not Arrested Development. The point is that supplanting AD with baseball was a stupid move by fox. The people who like AD aren't going to sit and wait for the show to come back, they're going to go somewhere else for their entertainment.

And the longer they stay away, the less likely they are to come back. <---That is simply human nature.

[Bryan Blakey]

Aww I liked that show. Hey you guys know the little asian kid in Arrested Development? He's one of my friends! Well we were good friends in middle school but then we went to different high schools. We still see each other though, in fact I played pokre with him just a few nights ago. Haha.

[Kurtz]

Arrested Development is better entertainment than a sporting event.
That's completely subjective.

[Illmatic]

Speaking from an objective standpoint, seeing as how the MLB playoffs gained more viewers than a season of Arrested Development would, it was not such a dumb move, although self-righteous intellectuals would lead you to believe otherwise.

[Berner]

Nuts to them cancelling Kitchen Confidential. It's actually a really good show.

[Kithkin]

Right, so football is retarded but Aqua Teen Hunger Force isn't? :rolleyes:


From my personal point of view, playing football is fun. Watching it is retarded.

Aqua Teen is dumb in a very smart way. It helps that that show costs next to nothing produce or create. A lot of shows on Adult Swim are that way. Absurd humor in the vein of ATHF or Sealab doesn't pay much attention to the animation, but worries about the scene and the conversation. It's a difficult art form because the line between absurd and stupid is pretty undefined (see 12 oz mouse for stupid) but because its a newish form the talent is cheap and as I said, the animation is flash based and inexpensive.

Then there's home movies, which at least as intelligent as Arrested Development even though it's told from a childs point of view and actually captures the sense of childhood. The same could be said for Fairly Odd Parents (thogh not quite as smart as Home Movies)

[Kurtz]

Nuts to them cancelling Kitchen Confidential. It's actually a really good show.
Was that the one with Jenny McCarthy?

Wasn't that on for like two weeks?

[Illmatic]

Aqua Teen is dumb in a very smart way. It helps that that show costs next to nothing produce or create. A lot of shows on Adult Swim are that way. Absurd humor in the vein of ATHF or Sealab doesn't pay much attention to the animation, but worries about the scene and the conversation. It's a difficult art form because the line between absurd and stupid is pretty undefined (see 12 oz mouse for stupid) but because its a newish form the talent is cheap and as I said, the animation is flash based and inexpensive.

See, I find nothing "quirky" or "clever" about Aqua Teen Hunger Force or Sealab 2021. Maybe I'm not smoking enough pot.

[Berner]

Was that the one with Jenny McCarthy?

Wasn't that on for like two weeks?Yeah I think she was in it. Either way it is really funny.

[Kithkin]

That's completely subjective.

No, it isn't.

Entertainment can be judged without subjection. Death of a Salesman is a better play than the play Amy and David Sedaris wrote. FIght Club is a better movie than Jawbreaker. And Arrested Development is better television than baseball.

I loathe Hemmingway, but I know he's a better writer than the authors of Sci-fi novels I used to read and love back in middle school. I don't like most of Shakespeare but any of his plays is better than Widows or Fires in the Mirror, two plays I've been in in the past few months. I loved Goat by Brad Land, and I loved A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genious by Dave Eggers. Goat was a more compelling story, had a better plot and had a better message. I liked Eggers's book more because it appealed to me as a writer, but Land's actually had a point.


Do I need to keep going?

[Illmatic]

There's little merit in judging art objectively, but do go on.

[Kurtz]

No, it isn't.

Entertainment can be judged without subjection. Death of a Salesman is a better play than the play Amy and David Sedaris wrote. FIght Club is a better movie than Jawbreaker. And Arrested Development is better television than baseball.

So it's a fact, Arrested Development is better than baseball. The greatest show in the ****ing history of mankind is better than baseball. Everyone who is smart loves AR and everyone who loves baseball is a schmuck.

[Kithkin]

See, I find nothing "quirky" or "clever" about Aqua Teen Hunger Force or Sealab 2021. Maybe I'm not smoking enough pot.

I don't smoke any pot.

I'm tired of this. If you found nothing clever or quirkey about either of them then you probably don't watch them (who would watch a comedy they don't find clever?). If you don't watch something you can't judge it.

I can judge sports. My parents forced me to go to sporting events since I was little. I've been to more baseball games than my friends who are die hard fans. I can judge it as an artform because I spend time with it. I was at the final game of the Blue Jays/Phillies world series game. I watched Kruck get struck out by a high outside pitch.

Baseball is almost as boring as golf.

I hate football for killing futurama and cutting off Fox's best programing, but football isn't baseball. It's the Jerry Springer to Motel or Dr Phil. Yeah, it's still base, but at least it's not nearly as boring.

[Kithkin]

There's little merit in judging art objectively, but do go on.

You're right. I was going to put being a local paper's arts and entertainment editor on my resume. But now, I think I'll pass on that. Thank you so much for keeping me from making that mistake. I don't want something with no merit on my resume.

[Kithkin]

So it's a fact, Arrested Development is better than baseball. The greatest show in the ****ing history of mankind is better than baseball. Everyone who is smart loves AR and everyone who loves baseball is a schmuck.


It isn't a fact. It simply isn't completly subjective. In my arguments I refrain from making subjective points so as to keep it as objective as possible.

But you guys keep taking offense to it. As if Baseball were some higher form of entertainment.

[Illmatic]

What, so apparently if I don't like something you like, it's because I haven't watched them? I have watched Aqua Teen Hunger Force. I have watched more Aqua Teen Hunger Force than I would like to admit. It sucks.

I'm getting tired of this too. I'm tired of your snobby upper-crust attitude; if something is "base" then it obviously sucks, because something other than your hyperintellectual ring of drama buddies likes it.

[Illmatic]

You're right. I was going to put being a local paper's arts and entertainment editor on my resume. But now, I think I'll pass on that. Thank you so much for keeping me from making that mistake. I don't want something with no merit on my resume.

Writing reviews of arts and entertainment is wholly subjective.

Unless you only write objective reviews, in which case all the Classical Music albums and indie films get five stars and all the rock and hip-hop albums and Hollywood movies get zero stars or one star.

[TojesDolan]

So uh... my opinion on this... yeah.

I personally like what Fox has in its programming, but sometimes shows have got to go because that's the way of life. Hell, I even enjoyed "undeclared" for hilarity's sakes. I enjoyed "Tucker" because it was fun to watch, but networks have really strange ways to work.

Maybe smart TV =/= costeable TV, which is why shows like "The simple life" go on and on and on.

MTV nust have the worst TV shows ever existing... yet they are a powerful network. :-/ But Laguna Beach is cool, because the girls are cool and preppy boys are hot. Yes.

[bassplayer18]

man wtf? 7th heaven was gay as hell!

[Prince of Darkness]

Fux

[bradc1988]

Hm, in my opinion Baseball is one of the most boring sports to watch. I watched 15 minutes of some MLB game and it was so slow and boring, it was painful to watch. I don't really know if baseball was the cause of AD getting cancelled but I'm still very pissed off. I don't understand how an Emmy award winning show could get cancelled. I mostly think it is because the majority of people are quite stupid and can't appreciate a clever comedy. One of my friends who watched an episode just couldn't get the humour and, no offence to him, but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Something like this boggles the mind.......

ARGHHHH!

[Kithkin]

Writing reviews of arts and entertainment is wholly subjective.

Unless you only write objective reviews, in which case all the Classical Music albums and indie films get five stars and all the rock and hip-hop albums and Hollywood movies get zero stars or one star.

?

Wow... you have no idea what you're talking about.

When you review something you have to compare it to other works in the same genre. Ie if you review an indie drama, you have to compare it to other indie dramas, classical music to other classical music, summer blockbusters to other summer blockbusters.

You can't compare an indie drama with a summer blockbuster because they have different elements that need to be judged. If you do compare the, then yes, you have to be subjective because there is no way you could be objective.

But, you can compare summer blockbusters as a whole to indie dramas by comparing their drawing points and still remain objective.

If somebody tries to write something for my section and isn't objective, I cut it until it is objective.

[Kurtz]

When you review something you have to compare it to other works in the same genre. Ie if you review an indie drama, you have to compare it to other indie dramas, classical music to other classical music, summer blockbusters to other summer blockbusters..
But wouldn't that scale of comparison be subjective?

[Rayne264]

cancelling arrested development is like sticking a dagger in my heart.

[Stone Cold Bush]

Ah, I hate how Fox always cancels shows that appeal to viewers.

What, are they trying to get themselves bankrupted?
Arrested Development got very low ratings, it's surprising they aired it as long as they did. It's a travesty that amazing shows like AD get canceled while **** like The War at Home (gay jokes lmao) and Stacked (BOOBS) is advertised and kept on air.

[infinate_ammo]

I downloaded the first series of Arrested Development and had very poor expectations for since I havn't liked many TV shows over the past few years. But this show is amazing!!!! The comedy in it is ****in A and it doesn't even need a dodgy laugh cue, best ****ing show that has been made since sienfeld.

[The "Plummer"]

Lol, I dont really watch either Arrested Development or 7th Heaven so I could really careless about them being baned from fox, just more of the better shows that are on fox. :thumb:

[ThePatient]

Aww I liked that show. Hey you guys know the little asian kid in Arrested Development? He's one of my friends! Well we were good friends in middle school but then we went to different high schools. We still see each other though, in fact I played pokre with him just a few nights ago. Haha.
Is there any way you can prove this? If its true, I love you.

Ahnyong. :wave:

[Rayne264]

Lol, I dont really watch either Arrested Development or 7th Heaven so I could really careless about them being baned from fox, just more of the better shows that are on fox. :thumb:
banned? what the hell are you talking about

[Kif]

So I've gotten through the entire backlog of episodes up to Season 3 episode 4 in the last two days, and it's an awesome show.

STEVE HOLT!

[GiB]

I don't watch tv so oh well.

[Rayne264]

I just blew myself.

[ThePatient]

Even if it means me taking a chubby.

[Rayne264]

everybody better watch todays show, make those ratings .0000001% better. remember, any small fraction of a percent counts.

[thunderzstruck]

everybody better watch todays show, make those ratings .0000001% better. remember, any small fraction of a percent counts.


Ratings come from people who participate in a survey and agree to have their channels they're watching being monitored. Unless someone on this site (which I doubt) is part of the survey then it won't matter

[Kithkin]

Ratings come from people who participate in a survey and agree to have their channels they're watching being monitored. Unless someone on this site (which I doubt) is part of the survey then it won't matter

Right.

Another criticism of the Nielsen ratings system is its failure to have a realistic system for measurement of television audience in environments outside the home, such as college dormitories, transport terminals, bars, and other public places where television is frequently viewed, often by large numbers of people in a common setting. Also, the rise of "time-shifting" through the use of VCRs, Digital Video Recorders (DVR), and downloading episodes from the Internet have also not, critics claim, been sufficiently addressed by the system. (Although downloading episodes is presently considered improper, if not illegal, it is nonetheless a widespread practice.) and Nielsen reached an agreement to provide information on DVR usage to the television industry. TiVo ratings reporting began in January, 2005, with other DVR providers expected to join soon.

It doesn't take into account college dorms or dvrs or internet downloads

Arrested Development does poorly in the ratings. Yet it is very popular on the internet (it's torrents are nearly as active as Family Guy). The internet is heavily populated with the 17-25 demographic. If somebody in Fox did the math, they'd realize that they do have a hit on their hand. One that wins awards out the bum but isn't being watched because it is surrounded by programming filth.



I watched it's time slot replacement this weekend. The War at Home. It is the worst fox comedy in a sunday slot since the Pitts. It isn't quite as bad as the Pitts, but then again, few shows outside of Strip Mall are.

[Kif]

Arrested Development does poorly in the ratings. Yet it is very popular on the internet (it's torrents are nearly as active as Family Guy). The internet is heavily populated with the 17-25 demographic. If somebody in Fox did the math, they'd realize that they do have a hit on their hand. One that wins awards out the bum but isn't being watched because it is surrounded by programming filth.



I watched it's time slot replacement this weekend. The War at Home. It is the worst fox comedy in a sunday slot since the Pitts. It isn't quite as bad as the Pitts, but then again, few shows outside of Strip Mall are.
FOX can't, or are much rather not choosing to advertise this show well for some reason. Maybe they think it won't appeal to the average "sitcoms make me pee my pants" American, I don't know, but it's pretty poor.

I mean, it's won five Emmy Awards in 2004, two Television Critics Association Awards, the 2004 Writers Guild of America Award, the TV Land award, the Golden Satellite Award for "Best Comedy" and also won the Golden Globe Award for "Best Performance by an Actor in a Television Series - Musical or Comedy" in 2005. (Thank you Wikipedia).

A show like that cannot be a fluke.

[Rayne264]

does anyone know when fox is playing the new arrested developments? they moved it from the monday slot, and im sure they'd want to burn off the other new episodes.


also, i bet if everyone who loves the show bought the DVD, it would come back (just like with family guy).

[Kif]

December 3rd, when Prison Break finishes.

[Kurrpt]

(to thread title)

...and there was MUCH rejoiceing

[Rayne264]

December 3rd, when Prison Break finishes.
aw cmon, i cant believe i have to wait that long

[Jaded]

Yeah!

This calls for an 80's montage!
Push it to the limit.......limit!

[36Dritzlfists]

Everybody needs to watch AD on Dec. 5th. I know its far fetched but if everybody gets someone new to watch the show, Fox might rethink its descision. "Even if it means taking a chubby, I will suck it up"

[Kithkin]

If you read above, you'll see that Fox doesn't give a **** how many people watch the show, only how many people with Nielson Boxes watch the show (or fill out a survey saying they watch the show).

Everyone in the US could watch it, but if the 5000 people with the Boxes don't watch it, Fox would never know.

The only way for consumers to show support for this show is to buy the DVDs.

[zombie autopilot2]

What times do AD and Scrubs air?

[Rayne264]

The only way for consumers to show support for this show is to buy the DVDs.
i know i am :D

[36Dritzlfists]

I am buying soo many people the DVDs as stocking stuff gifts for Christmas.

[Rayne264]

I am buying soo many people the DVDs as stocking stuff gifts for Christmas.
yah thats a good idea.

you support the show but also give people gifts. a win win situation. clever... maybe a little too clever if you ask me...

[Kithkin]

I'm not sure, but you might be able to show support by renting them. I know that movie rentals are tracked by the movie distributers, but I don't know if networks track tv series rentals...

[PepsiMetal]

Isn't 7th heaven a WB show not FOX? :confused:

[g°®†]

that's too bad 7th heaven's been around for as long as i can remember.



7th heaven ... lame drama, lame girls save for Jess whatsherface, lame acting, lame show.

[Kif]

The problem is is that Family Guy got popular worldwide due to DVD sales, and I think that's the reason they brought it back to FOX. The UK has finally started showing the series, along with American Dad, and I'm certain it airs in other countries thanks to strong DVD sales as well.

Arrested Development won't do as well in DVD sales worldwide I think, because it never had a real chance to get people's attention. Thanks to a bad advertising scheme by FOX, I don't know anyone personally who likes the show, or has even heard of it.

[Rayne264]

well the dvd doesnt have to sell record breaking numbers. i just think if it sells 300,000 copies for example, fox might reconsider and bring it back for another season.

[Tails]

The problem is is that Family Guy got popular worldwide due to DVD sales, and I think that's the reason they brought it back to FOX. The UK has finally started showing the series, along with American Dad, and I'm certain it airs in other countries thanks to strong DVD sales as well.

Arrested Development won't do as well in DVD sales worldwide I think, because it never had a real chance to get people's attention. Thanks to a bad advertising scheme by FOX, I don't know anyone personally who likes the show, or has even heard of it.

Family Guy got thrown around a lot by Fox in the early days with little to no promotion. I can remember watching the original run of it and trying to figure out what day it was on. "I think it was on Wednesday, but last week it was on Thursday... wtf it's on Monday this week." It went like that for a while until it got cancelled.

[Kithkin]

Family Guy was cancelled 3 times. The first two times it won emmys and they brought it back.

Family Guy owes it's sucess to early TV rippers and internet hype. It was a very popular show long before DVDs were in the picture.

Arrested Development has the same internet popularity. It isn't quite as popular as Family Guy, but then... nothing is.

[Rayne264]

thats true. i can talk about funny quotes and stuff with people about family guy, but if i try to from arrested development i always get this response "what show is that?".

[El_Goodo]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20051111/113172195800.html

I was just getting into that show too, it's hilarious.

Well if you would have got into it earlier, this wouldnt have happened!

...i don't really care, I never really watched either. But my heart is still broken over Futurama. *Goes and watches all the four seasons on dvd*

[gaslight]

That sucks, Arrested Development was one of the best sitcoms I've seen.

How many seasons of it are there?

They've only shown the first one in Australia.

[jpj]

It hasn't been on for that long, 3 or 4 years maybe?

[Rayne264]

the show started in 2003. I believe there are 3 seasons, but I may be wrong.


also, i refuse to let this thread die, so il bump it if i need to.

[Tails]

the show started in 2003. I believe there are 3 seasons, but I may be wrong.


also, i refuse to let this thread die, so il bump it if i need to.

It's on season 3 right now, but it got bumped down to 13 episodes.

[Cannonball Jake]

So what will Fox cancel next?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a load of money and I'm gonna set up a TV network and only show new episodes of all these shows other networks have cancelled. We'll have Firefly, Futurama, Arrested Development, Farscape, Angel. And we'll get Scrubs and give it a regular timeslot. And we wont have crappy, American style ''mid-season hiatus's''.

So who's with me?

Do it bro, do it.

[Rayne264]

there should be one mega channel that has all the best shows... family guy, futurama, arrested development, curb your enthusiam, everybody hates chris/loves raymond, seinfeld, king of the hill, mr bean...

oh..what a channel.

[Danish]

As long as they don't cancel 24...

[Ficus]

Whatever happened to Malcom in the Middle? I used to watch that show all the time when I was younger, but I haven't heard anything about it recently. I do remember it was on Fox though.

[bradc1988]

Whatever happened to Malcom in the Middle? I used to watch that show all the time when I was younger, but I haven't heard anything about it recently. I do remember it was on Fox though.

I havn't seen Malcolm in the Middle here in Australia for at least a year. I have not heard anything of it's return either.

[Rayne264]

im pretty sure their making the last season of malcolm in the middle now.

they play fridays on fox

[Kithkin]

Thats a shame, the new Malcoms are really good. The Burning Man episode is probably one of the best in the series.

I had no idea they aired on Fridays now.

[Kif]

Malcolm is moving to FX soon apparently. I think it's got a lot worse as they've all got older. I suppose that's a risk you take when 3 of the main characters are kids, but still, the humour feels less funny now.

[bradc1988]

I bought the first season of Arrested Development the other day and god it's hilarious. It's been a while since they first aired here in Australia and watching them reminded me of how good it was. The subtle jokes in the show are great, you have to be quick to pick them up. I absolutely love this show.

ARGH it's so frusterating that an excellent show has been cancelled.

Some good news though, I had to go to a few stores just to get the DVDs as they were sold out at a lot of places.

AD Revival !!!

[StrangelyBrewed13]

How can they possibly cancel Arrested?

[Kif]

With bad advertising and debut seasons of overated dramas.

[Rayne264]

The subtle jokes in the show are great, you have to be quick to pick them up. I absolutely love this show.

yah i agree. sometimes il pick up one of those jokes and wonder if others got it. its odd.

anyways, glad you enjoy the dvd, everyone should get it.

[36Dritzlfists]

IMO, Arrested Development is kinda like a live action version of Family Guy. There are a lot of quick jokes, double entendre jokes, flash backs jokes. I cant wait till monday til Dec. 5th.

[Rayne264]

8 days away til they show it new ones, dont forget everyone

[Kif]

Anyone see the latest episode of AD? Pretty funny, classic humour for the show.

"Why am I not going underwater?!"

[Kithkin]

I thought it was weaker than most of this seasons until that last bit.

It's not my trick...

Credits

It's my illusion!!!!

Cross hit with lighter fluid.

Eternal Hilarity!

[seanman99]

7th heaven....was that the christian family series?

Lmao not exactly.

[Rayne264]

the AD they showed on monday was one of the best from this season imo. i just wish they had more awkward moments between maeby (dont know how to spell it :s) and george michael

[Kithkin]

Lmao not exactly.

? That's exactly what 7th Heaven is...

[Rayne264]

woo, fox is playing two episodes of AD tonight, a new and classic one. everybody better watch dammit, 8 pm

[MattyBlade]

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/va/20051111/113172195800.html

I was just getting into that show too, it's hilarious.

7th heaven was terrible. I'm glad I never watched it.

[Stone Cold Bush]

Bumping this because a new development from TV Guide and stuff like this has been covered in numerous other sources(concerning Arrested Development not that other faggy ****):

NEW DEVELOPMENT?

Arrested Development fans may soon have reason to smile: Both ABC and Showtime have expressed interest in picking up the apparently doomed Fox series. The networks involved wouldn't comment, but media analyst Stacey Lynn Koerner thinks the show's best bet is ABC. "It has a large promotional base and stable of shows," she says. "On Showtime, the audience wouldn't even be as large as it was on Fox." A post-cancellation pick-up turned JAG into a hit in 1997 when CBS took it over from NBC. It could work here, too.

I hope this works out and if any of you saw tonight's episode there were hints at them going to Showtime. I hope this works out since it really is the best show on television and it is getting replaced with Skating with Celebrities, for the love of God. Tonight's episode was funny but also kind of sad since it hinted at the show ending and I don't want that to happen :(

[BigTrav415]

So what will Fox cancel next?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get a load of money and I'm gonna set up a TV network and only show new episodes of all these shows other networks have cancelled. We'll have Firefly, Futurama, Arrested Development, Farscape, Angel. And we'll get Scrubs and give it a regular timeslot. And we wont have crappy, American style ''mid-season hiatus's''.

So who's with me?
Me.


/knows I'm replying reeeeaaaaalllllyyyy late into discussion.

[Rayne264]

yah, i didnt notice it til he said "hbo". it was actually pretty funny. i hope this show goes on through fox, its one of the greatest shows ever.

[Mr. Ron]

I watched 7th heaven for the fine ***.

[Kithkin]

Haha, Monday's episode was brilliant. Doubly so for Andy Richter.

The Pseudo jumping of the shark. The in jokes. The cancellation jokes. The sophistication jokes. The saveourbleuths.org flash.

Amazing.


And the journalist who says that ABC is a better spot for AD is a moron. Showtime and ABC operate on completely different incomes. Showtime doesn't sell ad dollars, they get subscribers. AD has no casual fans, only diehard ones. Diehard ones far more likely to follow AD to showtime than casual fans.

ABC will have the same problem Fox did. You can't advertise AD because it isn't funny in 5 second snippets. It'll fail there too.

[White]

I liked 7th Heaven :(

[Hunted By a Freak]

Crappy.

[Cannonball Jake]

ABC will have the same problem Fox did. You can't advertise AD because it isn't funny in 5 second snippets. It'll fail there too.

You nail it right there dude. The best shows on TV (except Simpsons and Sopranos) are too deep to be sold to new viewers in 5 second bites. If you and me see quotes from AD or whatever we think they're great because we already know the characters. But that doesn't attract new viewers.

[Rayne264]

well arrested development wasnt on fox tonight :/

i was just wondering did they move its timeslot or is the season already over?

:angry: