Genre Help...

[Skidmark Steve]

Ok, I don't know much about emo, but alot of kids listen to bands like these and consider themselves emo. I know that most arent really emo(from hanging out in the punk forums)

Tell me the genre:

Senses Fail
Underoath
Hawthorne Heights
Scary Kids Scaring Kids
Fall Out Boy
The Blood Brothers
Saves The Day
Greeley Estates
Spitalfield
Motion City Soundtrack
Emery
As I Lay Dying
Saosin
Brand New
Thursday
Straylight Run
Zella Mayzell
Hidden In Plain View
The Starting Line
Silverstein
Rufio
From Autumn to Ashes
Early Novemember
Allister
Halifax
Death Cab For Cutie
From First To Last
Unwritten Law
Armor For Sleep
Funeral For A Friend
A Static Lullaby
Lucky Boys Confusion
Matchbook Romance
Further Seems Forever
Atreyu
Straylight Run
I Can Make A Mess Like Nobody's Business
Finch
Boys Night Out

[Anxious]

Most of those look like metalcore, pop-punk, and I dont see one emo band in there, unlesss I'm mistaken.

[fathergoat]

Pop, Pop-punk, and popcore with minor exceptions.

[cobert]

Popcore
Senses Fail
Underoath (at least the newer stuff)
Hawthorne Heights
Scary Kids Scaring Kids
Spitalfield
Silverstein
From First To Last
Funeral For A Friend
A Static Lullaby

Pop-Punk
Fall Out Boy
Saves the Day
Motion City Soundtrack
Brand New
Straylight run
HIPV
Starting Line
Rufio
Allister
Halifax
Unwritten Law
Armor for Sleep
Finch (even though the newer stuff is wierd prog-pop-punk)

The rest is indie/post-hardcore/metalcore, and a few bands i never heard anything from. Those people are retards for calling themselves a genre of music, and bigger tards for listening to unwritten law. At least they dont think emo is 'that music thats about hating life and cutting yourself and being sad all the time'.

[6_Nightmares]

what the hell is popcore?

[Iron Bug]

Hardcore with poppy hooks.

[cobert]

Pop-punk, but with double-bass and some screaming. This is what alot of poeple think is emo.

EDIT:

Hardcore with poppy hooks.

Or that.

[6_Nightmares]

oh ok.. thanks for enlighting news!

[Billy]

Truth spoken here...no emo bands in that list.

http://www.fourfa.com <--All your Emo questions answered.

[whiteminority]

Ok, I don't know much about emo, but alot of kids listen to bands like these and consider themselves emo. I know that most arent really emo(from hanging out in the punk forums)

Tell me the genre:

Senses Fail*
Underoath*
Hawthorne Heights*
Scary Kids Scaring Kids*#
Fall Out Boy&
The Blood Brothers^
Saves The Day&
Greeley Estates
Spitalfield
Motion City Soundtrack
Emery
As I Lay Dying#
Saosin*
Brand New&^
Thursday post-hardcore
Straylight Run
Zella Mayzell
Hidden In Plain View
The Starting Line&
Silverstein*
Rufio
From Autumn to Ashes*#
Early Novemember
Allister
Halifax
Death Cab For Cutie^
From First To Last&*
Unwritten Law&
Armor For Sleep
Funeral For A Friend&
A Static Lullaby&
Lucky Boys Confusion
Matchbook Romance&
Further Seems Forever
Atreyu#*
Straylight Run
I Can Make A Mess Like Nobody's Business
Finch*
Boys Night Out
*=popcore
#=metalcole
&=pop punk
^=indie
im not touching ones i dont know

[Skidmark Steve]

thanks home boys, i didnt know that there was a popcore genre? sounds strange, but makes alot of sense

[The_shotgun_message]

I love saosin.. i mite call them pop-core if i used the term cos they are pop punk but with sum screaming double bass and some metal riffs

[Skidmark Steve]

I love saosin.. i mite call them pop-core if i used the term cos they are pop punk but with sum screaming double bass and some metal riffs
i actually seen Saosin with A7X on Tuesday, me dont likes

[Tyler]

i actually seen Saosin with A7X on Tuesday, me dont likes
You SAW Saosin and A7X on Tuesday

[fathergoat]

Maybe the new singers fault, perhaps.

[Skidmark Steve]

You SAW Saosin and A7X on Tuesday
yea thats right

[Tyler]

yea thats right
nono. You said you 'seen' them, grammar mistake. I don't even know how people still think that's correct.

[Excursions]

Popcore is not a genre.

[fathergoat]

What genre would you classify it as?

[Wow]

Stop saying pop-punk. It's not pop-punk, it's pop-rock. There's a difference.

[Skidmark Steve]

wait, so is there a popcore genre or not?

[Wow]

Popcore is a joke genre name. No, popcore is not a real genre.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

What the hell is Kane Hodder classified as?

[TakeWarning]

Popcore is a joke genre name. No, popcore is not a real genre.
Well, what would you classify Set Your Goals or similar bands under?

[BuddyBigsby]

You're not going to get a definite answer, but it isn't emo.

[rosenheim]

I love saosin.. i mite call them pop-core if i used the term cos they are pop punk but with sum screaming double bass and some metal riffs
I'm seeing Saosin tonight..w00t.

[Wow]

Well, what would you classify Set Your Goals or similar bands under?


Never heard them, but if you're considering them popcore, pop-rock.

[TakeWarning]

Never heard them, but if you're considering them popcore, pop-rock.
Yeah...I'd probably say hardcore/pop-punk or pop-punk hardcore. It's politically incorrect but it's the easiest way to describe them without making up another genre.

[Wow]

Pop-rock with hardcore influences.

[TakeWarning]

Pop-rock with hardcore influences.
Whatever...

[young, loud, and andrew]

Set Your Goals is a hardcore band. Don't be so nitpicky with your genres. H2O, 7 Seconds, CIV, Gorilla Biscuits, The Descendents, etc. all have poppy and melodic parts and they are considered hardcore bands.

[Arrakakaka]

*=popcore
#=metalcole
&=pop punk
^=indie
im not touching ones i dont know
Metalcole? :lol: I hope you mean metalcore.

Metalcoleslaw.

[TakeWarning]

Set Your Goals is a hardcore band. Don't be so nitpicky with your genres. H2O, 7 Seconds, CIV, Gorilla Biscuits, The Descendents, etc. all have poppy and melodic parts and they are considered hardcore bands.

Yessir.

Metalcole? I hope you mean metalcore.

Metalcoleslaw.

No he means metalcole, haven't you heard of it?

[royman2001]

I'd classify Boys Night Out as... Some sort of mix between pop-punk and prog-rock.

[Wow]

Set Your Goals is a hardcore band. Don't be so nitpicky with your genres. H2O, 7 Seconds, CIV, Gorilla Biscuits, The Descendents, etc. all have poppy and melodic parts and they are considered hardcore bands.


Like I said, I've never heard Set Your Goals.

[RCVA]

You should, they are pretty good. Really poppy hardcore i'd say.

[Skidmark Steve]

you know a band sucks when you cant classify them as a genre

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Depends. Many bands you can't classify are really good.

[conniption]

I'm seeing Saosin tonight..w00t.

i think that saosin basically blows without anthony green, they sound different, and suck.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

I'm very iffy about Saosin now. I loved Anthony Green's vocals. The new singer doesn't really do it for me. Oh well, at least we have Circa Survive and The Sounds of Animals Fighting :)

[bottlerocket]

^ I love you for liking them. They're such amazing bands. :D

And yeah, Saosin lost it after Anthony left.

:thumb:

-Gav

[cuts_like_drugs]

Truth spoken here...no emo bands in that list.

http://www.fourfa.com <--All your Emo questions answered.


no. FOURFA is not the god of emo, I wish people would stop plugging it.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

I don't really like FOURFA.

[TakeWarning]

you know a band sucks when you cant classify them as a genre
Nah. Stay out of this forum.

[whiteminority]

i just checked fourfa out for the first time and there are a lot of little mistakes here and there and then that last page talking about the faint and the white stripes as emo is horribly wrong. he had good perspective (somewhat) on the san diego scene so ill give him that, but fourfa is not good as a definitive source. just check out the genre help thread thats stickied in here somewhere, though the emo definition is pulled off the first page of the fourfa page.

[kingdead]

Set your goals=popcore. It makes every kinda sense.

[Saturday Supercade]

i just checked fourfa out for the first time and there are a lot of little mistakes here and there and then that last page talking about the faint and the white stripes as emo is horribly wrong. he had good perspective (somewhat) on the san diego scene so ill give him that, but fourfa is not good as a definitive source. just check out the genre help thread thats stickied in here somewhere, though the emo definition is pulled off the first page of the fourfa page.

Well, he isn't actually calling those bands (white stripes etc) emo..but I agree with you the site isn't totally correct. Yet I do believe it's not a bad site for 'uneducated' people

[RCVA]

Set your goals=popcore. It makes every kinda sense.
If there's grindcore and metalcore, why not popcore?

[whiteminority]

If there's grindcore and metalcore, why not popcore?
popcore is just the fake genre most people (including myself) use to toss aside bands like saosin and hawthorne heights that are pop but use like one or two elements of hardcore in their music. (screaming primarily)

[whiteminority]

Well, he isn't actually calling those bands (white stripes etc) emo..but I agree with you the site isn't totally correct. Yet I do believe it's not a bad site for 'uneducated' people
it is good for the pure uneducated because like i said it does good on the san diego scene and the so called "emocore" bands; wrong genre name good description of good bands.

[RCVA]

popcore is just the fake genre most people (including myself) use to toss aside bands like saosin and hawthorne heights that are pop but use like one or two elements of hardcore in their music. (screaming primarily)
Popcore= Civ, SYG and Crime In Stereo i'd say. Bands like them.

[whiteminority]

i just call those guys hardcore.

[RCVA]

OK. Popcore sounds a bit stupid. Whenever i listen to SYG i find it fairly hard to believe that they are hardcore though.

[cbmartinez]

If it was up to me, popcore would be a genre. It works well to describe those bands.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Popcore definetly is suitalbe as a genre. Bands like Underoath fall perfectly in it.

[Tyler]

this thread is mad gay

[cbmartinez]

I love you Tyler.

[Tyler]

i heart you chris i heart you a lot

[cbmartinez]

Let me just tease my hair and then we'll go to the show

[k1ckthecat]

you know a band sucks when you cant classify them as a genre
ahem, Mindless Self Indulgence....

[6_Nightmares]

what genre are the blood brothers? someone said indie but i dont think they are indie, i dunno.

[Sep]

indie/punk

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

They are eclectic.

[cobert]

They are not good.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

No one has answered my question: What are Kane Hodder classified as?

[cobert]

I dont know, I would say popcore, but theyre way too different from all of the other bands in that genre.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

I always thought of it as pop-punk with some screamo influence, because there are never breakdowns or anything, but they do use the same rhythms sometimes.

As far as The Blood Brothers, as stated, very random music.

[Fire Away]

Thank you Hardcore/Emo forum posters of MX.. thank you.

[hate_people666]

Yeppo. Most of them are Metalcore or Popcore.

[El_Shiznit]

Stop saying pop-punk. It's not pop-punk, it's pop-rock. There's a difference.
Hey, you're doing good! :thumb:



And to Andrew, I've honestly never heard anyone say the Descendants are hardcore. They were one of the first and most influential pop-punk bands and I honestly haven't seen anyone disagree.

[cobert]

And to Andrew, I've honestly never heard anyone say the Descendants are hardcore. They were one of the first and most influential pop-punk bands and I honestly haven't seen anyone disagree.

Yeah i was confused when he said that too, i couldve swore descendents were pop-punk.

[Oz Rembrandt]

Since we're on the subject, what genre are Hell is for Heroes?

[cuts_like_drugs]

first album is post hardcore. Duno about the newer stuff

[Oz Rembrandt]

eh, I only have their first album...

p.s - couldn't help by the Underdark reference in your user title. Your not a Salvatore/Forgotten Realms fan by chance?

[Sep]

Probably because he likes that Funeral Diner album.

[Oz Rembrandt]

Could be. Maybe I'll shut the hell up now...

[fearb4]

What would you consider silverstein?? I mean, there lyrics are pretty emo. HELP ME OUT HERE.

[REINER]

Not even close to Emo. They're a really bad indie/pop-rock type band.

[Tyler]

they're probably the worst band in whatever genre they're in.

[fearb4]

I like them alot. Indie? really? So if lyrics doesnt seperate a band into emo, what does? Sorry, just kind of lost on that subject.

[REINER]

Their music. Go listen to these bands....

Rites of Spring
Embrace
Moss Icon
Fugazi

[fearb4]

Hmm. I see. well, staying on that subject, Fear b4, Alexisonfire, The Bled, He is Legend. Post-hardcore?

[REINER]

Nope, a bad mix of metal and indie.

For post-hardcore listen to....
Quicksand
Hot Water Music
Fugazi (also)
Husker Du

[Tyler]

The Bled is metalcore though.

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Silverstein indie?

[fearb4]

Not fully sure how you guys seperate these bands. I always thought hardcore/post-hardcore was heavy music witih meaning in there music. Emo was a band with emotional lyrics. And thought indie were bands that were with very soft music, like death cab.

Yea, im confused on the silverstein being indie as well

Hot water music sounds like a punk band to me.

[REINER]

Hardcore and Post-Hardcore have distinct differences.
Emo is very similar to post-hardcore as they are kinda one in the same
Indie is more of a catch all phrase for bands that are more experimental and don't really follow any other genres

Silverstein I haven't listened to in over 3 years so I'm not positive on that, but they are deffinently not emo.

HWM like I said earlier are a mix of hardcore and post-hardcore, also depends on what song you're listening to.

[fearb4]

I see...

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Not fully sure how you guys seperate these bands. I always thought hardcore/post-hardcore was heavy music witih meaning in there music. Emo was a band with emotional lyrics. And thought indie were bands that were with very soft music, like death cab.

Yea, im confused on the silverstein being indie as well

Hot water music sounds like a punk band to me.
1. Hardcore isn't always screaming or growling.

2. Post-Hardcore isn't that heavy. It is made by slow melodic parts that turn heavier.

3. Emo is made by both the music and lyrics. Bands like TBS and Hawthorne Heights meet none of this standards.

[CommieCanada]

Set Your Goals is a hardcore band. Don't be so nitpicky with your genres. H2O, 7 Seconds, CIV, Gorilla Biscuits, The Descendents, etc. all have poppy and melodic parts and they are considered hardcore bands.
The Descendents... hardcore?

i think they are most often seen as pop-punk

[Fire Away]

Alexisonfire?

[REINER]

A really bad metalcore band.

[Fire Away]

Fair enough... Norma Jean?

[StandingStill]

A really bad metalcore band.... actually they are alright at times

[Saturday Supercade]

Alexisonfire a metalcore band?

[Fire Away]

A really bad metalcore band.... actually they are alright at times
Norma Jean?

[Sep]

Alexisonfire are post hardcore.

[StandingStill]

Norma Jean?
Metalcore.

[TakeWarning]

Norma Jean?

Yes, he was talking about Norma Jean.

[SGlove]

The Bled is metalcore though.

Really?
Metalcore?
I thought they were doing that thing where they tried to be unique like The Blood Brothers but ended up having every song sound exactly the same.
You know, that dancy, poppy, hardcore stuff.

[kingdead]

I like hardXcore.

[young, loud, and andrew]

Hey, you're doing good! :thumb:



And to Andrew, I've honestly never heard anyone say the Descendants are hardcore. They were one of the first and most influential pop-punk bands and I honestly haven't seen anyone disagree.

The Descendents were a hardcore punk band that played really poppy music.

[REINER]

Alexisonfire are post hardcore.
No they're not.

[kingdead]

Goddamn, wheres that flood of Pop-hardcore bands jumping on the Set your goals train that ive been patiently waiting for.

[Saturday Supercade]

No they're not.

Alexisonfire as a post-hardcore band makes more sense to me than a metalcore band, although i'm not really into metalcore..

[REINER]

Do they sound anything like Fugazi, Quicksand, HWM?

[Wow]

Do Trophy Scars? From what I've heard of HWM, they sound NOTHING alike.

[whiteminority]

Do Trophy Scars? From what I've heard of HWM, they sound NOTHING alike.
trophy scars owns. designed like dice is like the best song ever.

[Wow]

Nah. That's "The Hair-Trigger Flamenco" or "... And That's Where They Found My Body."

[whiteminority]

"...And That's Where They Found My Body" is insanely great. I was biased when I wrote that due to the fact I was listening to "Designed Like Dice" while writing it.

[fearb4]

Dividing a band into sub-genre's is really hard to do. Some peaple say by music, some say by what they stand for (lyrics, beliefs, image). I think its both. There is not really a solid answer on how to label bands like that. Mostly just opinion, some on fact.

[Wow]

It's the music and how it's delivered. What a band has to say doesn't change the genre, it's how everything's executed.

[whiteminority]

Dividing a band into sub-genre's is really hard to do. Some peaple say by music, some say by what they stand for (lyrics, beliefs, image). I think its both. There is not really a solid answer on how to label bands like that. Mostly just opinion, some on fact.
its on the way the band sounds and the delivery of that sound. otherwise if you took all political music (beliefs) you would have stuff from anarcho punk to grind to hippie to folk etc. in one genre.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, we really need a solid definition of post-hardcore and the evolution of it or whatever. How Trophy Scars, Glassjaw, Quicksand and Hot Water Music can be classified together makes no sense.

[Wow]

Bands that took the fundamentals of hardcore and put their own spin on it. I've said it atleast 5 times now.


Chris, get on AIM.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

For Trophy Scars, I really enjoy Cats As a Measurement of Time and Sleep Little Nemo (The Kidnapping).

[whiteminority]

For Trophy Scars, I really enjoy Cats As a Measurement of Time and Sleep Little Nemo (The Kidnapping).
they are pretty good songs.

[Wow]

Best Trophy Scars moment is at the end of Hey Kiddo! with the little "Do do doo"'s. I have an obsession with those.

[A_Perfect_Sonnet]

I swear to God, if it weren’t for the Fall these leaves would seem so ****ing far.

I’m a little boy
Just a little kid
But I’m my own damn man
With my own damn plans

I’m glad you left me.
Goddamn.

Such a well done section of a song.

[whiteminority]

Best Trophy Scars moment is at the end of Hey Kiddo! with the little "Do do doo"'s. I have an obsession with those.
Trophy Scars is the best post-hardcore ever.

[Wow]

Ben finally speaks the truth!

[whiteminority]

Well I have been thinking this for a while. I had thought of Fugazi as the best but then I realized they are more indie and that Trophy Scars owns.

[royman2001]

Where do Every Time I Die go under?

[Wow]

Metalcore.

[RCVA]

They are pretty bad.