If Nu-metal hadn't exploded...

[SadlyMisinformed]

Like a few people, I got into rock and metal back when Linkin Park appeared, having previously been into pop. After a while I put Hybrid Theory away, as it just wasn't cool anymore and everyone hated it. Four years later I pulled out HT and gave it a listen, and I'm wondering if it's really that bad.

Same goes for bands like Limp Bizkit. Granted, Fred's a tool, but if they hadn't just exploded mainstream and become huge, would they be hated by the amount of people that hate them today? Or would they (and LP) just be moderately successful bands that people weren't predisposed to bash?

Just wondering what you guys thought on this.

[Dragon_Prince]

No if they didn't got big they wouldn't hate them, it's like a trend here to hate mainstream bands ;)

Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit are very important here, those kind of bands just like pop punk bands, get people in the rock and metal scene ;) cause it's more friendly to someone who doesn't reguarlly listen to rock, but after a while they get used to those bands and want something more, and then they would go to the better rock :)

[Shred Danson]

People just hated it because the music was bad and was masquerading around as "metal"...that's where you get all the "tr00" heads and everything...metalheads who knew that that garbage wasn't metal, but were pissed because it WAS being labeled as metal...granted, there were the bandwagon jumpers who just thought it wasn't cool anymore and then went to metalcore because that's gotten bigger, but nevertheless, it just wasn't metal. We'd rather listen to songs about Dragons, Fire, Satan, and battles in the North than songs bitching about relationships and how their father was such a prick :lol: ...

I think a lot of nu-metal's popularity had to do with the fact that simplicity makes for popular music in America...Americans in general don't have too much of an attention span to give a crap about the musicianship in the band...that's why a lot of rap, hip-hop, pop, and pop-punk is popular right now with the MTV crowd...

If these bands hadn't become huge but were still a bit known in the underground, I'm sure all the people hating them today would hate them just the same...same band, same sound, right?

Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit are very important here, those kind of bands just like pop punk bands, get people in the rock and metal scene

I hear that a lot, and I think that's crap. It may be because my dad raised me on classic and hard rock :lol:

[chaseharrell]

I agree on the LP one, that if they just didn't become such a hiot mainstream, they wouldn't be such a target for bashing. However, Limp Bizkit would have really had to NOT released the "hits" "My g-g-generation", and "rollin" because those two songs are just pathetic. I really like the newer things that they have put out, and at least in my area, the mainstream market hasn't really been playing the stuff.

But I do think its way too late for there to be any redemtion for Limp Bizkit, and there are definitely waaaaaaaay to many LP haters for them to end up getting an accolades from other musicians. Whatever did happen to LP though? They only really released two REAL albums, and its been at least 3 years since Meteora. That JayZ remix crap don't count, and neither does Reanimation, since they are all just remixes of their own songs. Well I guess reanimation had like 2 or 3 originals on it or soemthing didn't it?

Ah well, either way, I'll say yea, that if nu-metal didn't explode, those two bands wouldn't have as many people that hate them, but they still wouldn't have a solid following.

[Jude]

Like a few people, I got into rock and metal back when Linkin Park appeared, having previously been into pop. After a while I put Hybrid Theory away, as it just wasn't cool anymore and everyone hated it. Four years later I pulled out HT and gave it a listen, and I'm wondering if it's really that bad.

Same goes for bands like Limp Bizkit. Granted, Fred's a tool, but if they hadn't just exploded mainstream and become huge, would they be hated by the amount of people that hate them today? Or would they (and LP) just be moderately successful bands that people weren't predisposed to bash?

Just wondering what you guys thought on this.
If nobody had heard of those bands, obviously nobody would hate them...but I would hate them just as much for sounding like **** if I HAD heard of them.

[ween2424]

There's alot of Nu-metal bands that didn't get as successful and are hated just as much.

[Shred Danson]

There's alot of Nu-metal bands that didn't get as successful and are hated just as much.

For example, I really can't stand Factory 81. Yeah, I bought their CD, then listened to the first song and was like "no", and took it back :lol: .

[Arucard]

Your right about the HT theory thing, its an amazing album. I still listen to it, and would gladly whack it on after some Arsis, Intestine Baalism or Solefad.

[loathed]

Linkin park is not too bad a band. they're what nu-metal is. simple, catchy songs.

[3074326]

If it weren't for bands like Limp Bizkit, I wouldn't like some of the bands I love today. I used to like them, but I've grown away from them.

Nu-metal (to me) was pop music with heavy guitars. Very catchy. That's not necessarily bad. It's marketed toward a certain group of people, and those who didn't like it made way too big of a deal about it.

It's just like every other genre of music; there are people who hate it, and people who love it. Nu-metal just got a lot of attention because it was the new and cool thing to hate or like.

My thoughts on the subject.

[Corpse Sandwich]

Limp Bizkit, though I now realize they suck, is what got me interested in metal, followed closely by KoRn. I don't much care for KoRn or LB anymore, but I have to admit they did get me into the metal scene.

That's about all Limp Bizkit was good for; people liked them, and figured that if they liked this, and it was supposedly "metal," they would like other metal. So they asked their metalhead friends (everyone knows at least one metalhead) what metal was good... this is how I ended up listening to Cradle of Filth, Amon Amarth, and Dimmu Borgir, all of which I still enjoy.

Now I listen to Children of Bodom, Samael, and Gorguts... along with numerous other things from Mozart to Johnny Cash.

I fell into a burnin' ring of fire...

\m/ >_< \m/

[Moon Flavor]

If it weren't for bands like Limp Bizkit, I wouldn't like some of the bands I love today. I used to like them, but I've grown away from them.

Nu-metal (to me) was pop music with heavy guitars. Very catchy. That's not necessarily bad. It's marketed toward a certain group of people, and those who didn't like it made way too big of a deal about it.

It's just like every other genre of music; there are people who hate it, and people who love it. Nu-metal just got a lot of attention because it was the new and cool thing to hate or like.

My thoughts on the subject.
I hate this. I highly doubt any band ever thought of who they were marketing to when they were making their music. Everyone seems to think Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, etc does this though. Granted I don't like the direction these bands have gone in (I do like their old stuff some) they still have their own style. If you don't like it, let it be. If you like it, listen to it. Don't worry about what other people think.

[Stoic]

If you like it, listen to it but for god's sake dont mislabel it when you know that certain people will be pissed!

Fixed :p

I strongly believe that the "metalness" is in each one's genes. Some people are meant to become metalheads and some others are not. So, if you guys were meant to be metalheads, even if nu metal wasnt around, I'm sure something else would attract your attention :)

[Moon Flavor]

Fixed :p

I strongly believe that the "metalness" is in each one's genes. Some people are meant to become metalheads and some others are not. So, if you guys were meant to be metalheads, even if nu metal wasnt around, I'm sure something else would attract your attention :)
Thanks for the fix:p


I agree with you though, it seems like quite a few of the people who were obsessed with nu-metal and migrated to "real" metal just listen to metalcore/mtv2 stuff now. Of course, some of us avoided that.

[3074326]

I hate this. I highly doubt any band ever thought of who they were marketing to when they were making their music. Everyone seems to think Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, etc does this though. Granted I don't like the direction these bands have gone in (I do like their old stuff some) they still have their own style. If you don't like it, let it be. If you like it, listen to it. Don't worry about what other people think.

The band doesn't market themselves, the label does.

If you knew me, you'd know that I don't care what other people think of my musical tastes at all. You could probably quote me 100 times on this forum about me saying something to the effect of "Listen to whatever you like, it doesn't matter what other people think."

But labels do market bands toward certain audiences, like it or not. It's a business.