Dimmu Borgir

[Ostrich Man]

Dimmu Borgir is a Norwegian melodic black metal/symphonic metal band.

While I know many people prefer ther older works (me included), I want to hear what you like/dislike about them: anything about the band members, albums, songs, etc.

Have fun and no flaming that you can't back up.

[Kronos]

I don't think they're very popular with the Black-metallers around here; I posted something about Old Man's Child in the Black Metal Thread, and one reply told me thay were the only band worse than "Dim Bugger"


So you see what I mean.

PS Don't OMC and DB have some kind of connection, member-wise? I don't know very much about Black Metal - I just have a few OMC albums. (which I like. :angry: )

[StreetlightRock]

I like them. They were one of the first metal bands I got into, and no doubt there a talented bunch. I guess the complaint is they arnt tr00 and kvlt enough. Can't stand Old Mans Child though.

[Kronos]

I like them. They were one of the first metal bands I got into, and no doubt there a talented bunch. I guess the complaint is they arnt tr00 and kvlt enough. Can't stand Old Mans Child though.
Why not?

Please don't just say they're crap - I listen to mainly PM and Old-School Metal, and OMC may be more accessible to me and get me "into" this genre, I'd like to know why they're so detested :confused:

[Shadows]

I like two of their albums. Enthrone Darkness Triumphant and Stormblast are both great albums. Anything later then that and they've become too symphonic for their own good. Not at all black metal. It sounds like they're trying to make a heavy metal orchestra with guitar and drums as an afterthought.

[beaNN]

Agreed, they are NOT black metal, there old stuff is alright.

[Tommy-r]

Dimmu Borgir is a Norwegian pop band


fixed

PS Don't OMC and DB have some kind of connection, member-wise?

I believe the drummer for OMC (nick barker, ex COF) played for Dimmu on there last album.

[King_Of_Terrors]

I like them, they are a pretty interesting band. I don't see why alot of people don't like them.

[superpeer]

Yeah, also the main songwriter/vocalist/guitarist/bassist/synth player galder plays in Dimmu Borgir.

Dimmu borgir have some good stuff, unfortunately they like the cash too much. Old Man's Child is superior to them, especially in defiance of existence.

[Steerpike]

I like some of their work. I think they get a bit over-hyped by the black metal wannabes, Goth wannabes, and in general anyone else who wants to show off how dark and tormented they are despite the fact that they're just a bunch of pusses.

Incidentally, I thought they were Finnish?

[Shred Danson]

Old Man's Child is superior to them,

They defenitely are! Screw all the people who say they're worse than Dimmu...blah, listen to the two band's latest albums and compare...I'd take "In Defiance of Existence" over "Death Cult Armageddon" anyday.

[dest. Chaos]

Me like Dimmu Borgir. :P

[superpeer]

I like some of their work. I think they get a bit over-hyped by the black metal wannabes, Goth wannabes, and in general anyone else who wants to show off how dark and tormented they are despite the fact that they're just a bunch of pusses.

Incidentally, I thought they were Finnish?

Nah, you don't have to be Finnish to sell metal to girls, just look at CoF. :p

They're ol' norwegians.

[Pete]

I think it's gay how Dimmu actually rerecorded an old album ("Stormblåst"). Seems like a cash scam.

Old Man's Child are pretty awesome, I love "In Defiance of Existance".

[Kronos]

Glad to see OMC have at least some support on MX.

Apologies to threadstarter for kinda hi-jacking his thread a bit..


NP Behind The Mask...:cool:

[Shred Danson]

Glad to see OMC have at least some support on MX.

Apologies to threadstarter for kinda hi-jacking his thread a bit..


NP Behind The Mask...:cool:

I don't understand what's so bad about Od Man's Child...they might not be tr00 grim black metal, but they still make some great music. Dimmu on the other hand...heh, I liked some older Dimmu, but they just don't do it for me...

[RetiredAt21]

Threadstarter has a HIM avatar. Just saying.

Dimmu Borgir suck nowadays, though, For All Tid is quite good.

[RetiredAt21]

I used to like Old Man's Child, but they are really cheesy and stupid. I REALLY like the guitar work in a some songs though. Doommaker and Return Of The Night Creatures just to name a couple.

[Shred Danson]

Threadstarter has a HIM avatar. Just saying.

:lol: I get what you're sayin'. :p

[superpeer]

Chick metal!

[RetiredAt21]

Hahahaha. They would cut their wrists if they saw you said that about them.

[Shred Danson]

Chick metal!

"love metal" ?

[superpeer]

No, no, dimmu borgir is really satanic.

[Shred Danson]

No, no, dimmu borgir is really satanic.

Oh yes, they really are. They're so grim and evil. I bet they breathe hell fire and blow smoke out of their asses because they're such devil childs.



:p

[Arucard]

No, no, dimmu borgir is really satanic.

OMG. I worshipped satan to them yesterday and everythhhinnng.

[dest. Chaos]

Oh yes, they really are. They're so grim and evil. I bet they breathe hell fire and blow smoke out of their asses because they're such devil childs.



:p
maybe he meant satanic lyrics and such things. up-side-down pengtagrams allover.

[dest. Chaos]

OMG. I worshipped satan to them yesterday and everythhhinnng.
The largest Satanism is atheistic. which means that you don't whorship anything , except maybe yourself...:lol:

[Shred Danson]

maybe he meant satanic lyrics and such things. up-side-down pengtagrams allover.

Or maybe he was being sarcastic. Like I was.


OMG. I worshipped satan to them yesterday and everythhhinnng.

Really? Me too! What's your favorite ritual?

[Arucard]

I slit my wrists and shout I LOVE THE DEVILLL!!! in the street man!

[Shred Danson]

I slit my wrists and shout I LOVE THE DEVILLL!!! in the street man!

That's just stupid.

[RetiredAt21]

Hahaha.

I'm spellbound by the Devil.

[Shred Danson]

Hehe, this thread went to hell pretty quick :lol: Should we kill the wounded animal?

[superpeer]

We ruined this thread. :upset:


EDIT: Beaten as well. :upset: :upset:

[Shred Danson]

We ruined this thread. :upset:

Close plz kthnx :)

[dest. Chaos]

That's just stupid.
and nowhere near satanistic...:D

[beaNN]

"love metal" ?
HIM are so stupid.

[i am the robots]

Dimmu used to be great, and plus, Vortex is a lord, I don't care what anybody says.

[Arucard]

Yes, i don't see why they don't utalise his brilliant vocals more. He pwns all of Dimmu.

[i am the robots]

Yes, i don't see why they don't utalise his brilliant vocals more. He pwns all of Dimmu.

Because nearly every scenester I know who has heard me listening to Lamented Souls or the new Arcturus CD has said their singer sounds 'retarded' or that his accent is 'gay.' Basically it's because they're sell-outs.

[RetiredAt21]

For All Tid is a great album.

[Corpse Sandwich]

Me like Dimmu Borgir. :P

Me too. So many people bash on them... I always thought the tr00/kvlt thing was a joke...

I'd say symphonic black metal if I had to, but why categorize them? If you like 'em, great, listen to them. If you don't, don't be a dick to people who do.

Dimmu is a more mainstream band, if that kind of metal can even be mainstream, than a band like... say, Gorguts. Yes, I know that's death metal, but my point still stands.

[The Buttloaves]

they're my favorite band, I don't care what genre they're in. Shagrath's vocals and the whole random, weird creepy abstract synth stuff are the best part. And then they've got riffs like in Blessings Upon the Throne of Tyranny at :28 seconds, that just make you want to headbang

[StreetlightRock]

Why not?

Well, ill be honest, I probably listend to OMC like 3 years ago before my metal tates we fully developed, but I just remember it being a whole lot of useless noise. I should give them a go again though.

[Elnimio]

They're a great band. People just hate them because they like their minimalistic raw black metal better and can't appreciate actual music.

[Shadows]

I thought it was funny how on the re-recorded version of Stormblast the lyrics were changed to be less offensive.

[Shred Danson]

actual music.

Sounds like crap to me. :lol:

I thought it was funny how on the re-recorded version of Stormblast the lyrics were changed to be less offensive.

That's just..sad.

[Kronos]

Well, ill be honest, I probably listend to OMC like 3 years ago before my metal tates we fully developed, but I just remember it being a whole lot of useless noise. I should give them a go again though.
No, it's not, honest!

I come from mainly Power Metal, and I like it. It's got good melodies, and the drummer's insane. I esp. like the way he often uses off-beat cymbals a la Disco - it sounds really good behind metal!
Give em another listen.

BTW, I don't have any DM:upset: Would any kind soul like to send me a YSI link to a couple of their numbers that you think are good?
tsarbeauty@aol.com

:)

[black\m/metal]

I dig their old and new stuff
their old is much more tr00 for people like that
but I think there is plenty quality stuff on E.D.T. and P.U.M.
i wouldnt call it black metal though, but for whatever it is
i enjoy it.

[Moses]

I don't know why but I really love the Burn In Hell cover.

[Freezing Moon]

I like them. They were one of the first metal bands I got into, and no doubt there a talented bunch. I guess the complaint is they arnt tr00 and kvlt enough. Can't stand Old Mans Child though.

No amount of this idiocy you call "tr00" can make up for shitty music.

[StreetlightRock]

"the complaint" isnt my complaint, so shut up nazi.

[Freezing Moon]

"the complaint" isnt my complaint, so shut up nazi.

That's mature of you.

I don't care who has "the complaint", I'm saying that it doesn't matter if Dimmu Borgir are "tr00" if they don't make good music.

People who complain soley about how they have "sold out", etc, are just being trendy poseurs. If they like the music, they should listen to it. My complaint is that the music itself is crap, and I don't care how "untr00" they are.

Being "tr00" =/= good music.

That comment was not directed at you in particular either, so chill the hell out.

[Moses]

I think they make some good music. It's obviously subjective but come on, lets not **** on peoples tastes, please.

[StreetlightRock]

Well I'm sorry then, but it sounded like a damn hostile post. But I agree with you all the same - that was the whole point of me saying that in my first post anyway.

[Freezing Moon]

I think they make some good music. It's obviously subjective but come on, lets not **** on peoples tastes, please.
I just said... "If they like it, they should listen to it".


Well I'm sorry then, but it sounded like a damn hostile post. But I agree with you all the same - that was the whole point of me saying that in my first post anyway.

The words "tr00" "kvlt" and "Dimmu Borgir" used in the same thread will generally do that to me. Like I said, it wasn't directed at you either.

[Moses]

I just said... "If they like it, they should listen to it".
The thought was implied, don't lie to yourself. I'm not trying to sound like an *** but you shouldn't say "****ty music" if you don't want it to come off a certain way.

[Ostrich Man]

What I don't get is why people despise Dimmu simply because they have become popular/mainstream, even when they don't mind Dimmu's new style of music.

I haven't met a person in R&M that doesn't like Pink Floyd, and they are about as mainstream as it gets.

If you don't enjoy Dimmu's new style of music, then thats fine, but if you dislike them now only because of their sudden popularity then :confused:

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

What I don't get is why people despise Dimmu simply because they have become popular/mainstream, even when they don't mind Dimmu's new style of music.

I haven't met a person in R&M that doesn't like Pink Floyd, and they are about as mainstream as it gets.

If you don't enjoy Dimmu's new style of music, then thats fine, but if you dislike them now only because of their sudden popularity then :confused:


Dimmu Borgir originally played black metal on the first two albums, and they drifted away from that whole style for a more commercial sound.

If you play black metal, you do not even ponder the thought of trying to making money off of your music or to get your music into the mainstream of metal. Dimmu Borgir did, and that is a reason to why they are shunned from the black metal community.

That is by far the biggest no-no in the black metal world.

[Ostrich Man]

Dimmu Borgir originally played black metal on the first two albums, and they drifted away from that whole style for a more commercial sound.

If you play black metal, you do not even ponder the thought of trying to making money off of your music or to get your music into the mainstream of metal. Dimmu Borgir did, and that is a reason to why they are shunned from the black metal community.

That is by far the biggest no-no in the black metal world.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up :thumb:

[Chu]

They're a great band. People just hate them because they like their minimalistic raw black metal better and can't appreciate actual music.
:confused:
Is this just an example of how to be close minded, or were you being serious?
Not saying it's not actual music (I don't mind DB, but I've really only heard their new music, apart from a few early songs, which are pretty good.)
Just everyone has an opinion, and usually they're different...

I don't know why but I really love the Burn In Hell cover.
So do, I also love whoever does the clean vocals in that song. It's great.
(It's so fun to play on Guitar too :D)

[Ostrich Man]

Does anyone know who did the original?

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Does anyone know who did the original?


Twisted Sister

[dementis]

i think there great, they have one of those feelings towards them, they cheer me up andi find it very powerful music

[Chu]

Twisted Sister
Is the Dimmu version different, musically?

I have a powertab of the song and it says arranged by Dimmu, just wondering if they wrote the music to it?

[lightningmetal666]

O.k.

I've asked in the R&M thread a bazillion times and my requests have gone unanswer for at least 2 mos.

Can anyone here plz send me some stuff off of Stormblast and EDT?

I've been trying to get into this band but I need to hear some good stuff before I'm tempted to by a cd.

[i am the robots]

They're a great band. People just hate them because they like their minimalistic raw black metal better and can't appreciate actual music.

I really hate you. You know nothing about music, yet you try to make statements that sound knowlagable and you fail. Minimalism =/= bad. People appreciate Dimmu Borgir and actual Black Metal for different reasons, most kids who like real Black Metal hate Dimmu because of what they've become, not becuase their opinion is lesser to yours.

[italic zero]

I'd like to hijack this thread to talk about Terry Riley and Phillip Glass.

[Shadows]

O.k.

I've asked in the R&M thread a bazillion times and my requests have gone unanswer for at least 2 mos.

Can anyone here plz send me some stuff off of Stormblast and EDT?

I've been trying to get into this band but I need to hear some good stuff before I'm tempted to by a cd.
If you hit me up on AIM, I can send you both. My AIM is in my profile.

[Elnimio]

I really hate you.


Oh no! :upset:

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Oh wait, you like nu-metal. I really don't care :thumb:

[RiceMonster]

I thought my head was going to explode with all this "tr00 kvlt" crap. Thank you, Freezing Moon.

Oh, and I would like new Dimmu if Vortex took over as the lead vocalist, and they kicked Fagrath out.

[Shadows]

I wouldn't really like it either way.

Vortex on vocals just wouldn't make any sense.

[RiceMonster]

Well, when I listened to Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, the only part of the song I liked was when Vortex sings, the rest did nothing for me. They should write whole songs in that vein, IMO. Yes it would be less black metal, but I don't care at all.

[i am the robots]

Oh no! :upset:

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Oh wait, you like nu-metal. I really don't care :thumb:

Oh wait, I actually backed up what I said, rather than just going LOL U LIEK DIFFRENT STUFF.

I like Nu-Metal, yes, as if I'm supposed to be ashamed for having a mind of my own?
I also like Black Metal, Death Metal, Grind, Hardcore, Emo, Punk, Thrash, Power Metal, Sludge Metal, Doom Metal, Electronica, Bluegrass, and a ton of other styles. Contrary to what you keep on preaching, versatality in preferences IS good.

[Shadows]

Well, when I listened to Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse, the only part of the song I liked was when Vortex sings, the rest did nothing for me. They should write whole songs in that vein, IMO. Yes it would be less black metal, but I don't care at all.Wow. I don't think I remember a part of that song I liked.

I liked the very first track on the album, but I wasn't able to stand much beyond that.

[RiceMonster]

Wow. I don't think I remember a part of that song I liked.

I liked the very first track on the album, but I wasn't able to stand much beyond that.
:lol: The Vortex part isn't even that good. I just like it a bit. Other than that, new Dummy Burger is ****. I'll go back to my Leviathan, thanks. \m/

[Elnimio]

Oh wait, I actually backed up what I said, rather than just going LOL U LIEK DIFFRENT STUFF.

I like Nu-Metal, yes, as if I'm supposed to be ashamed for having a mind of my own?
I also like Black Metal, Death Metal, Grind, Hardcore, Emo, Punk, Thrash, Power Metal, Sludge Metal, Doom Metal, Electronica, Bluegrass, and a ton of other styles. Contrary to what you keep on preaching, versatality in preferences IS good.


No kidding, I'm a lover of verious metal styles plus jazz, classical, prog rock, etc.


But Nu-Metal? That genre is a joke, and most people who like it are tools or don't know any better. I really don't care for someone's opinion who completely goes against what I believe. Sorry. :wave:

[i am the robots]

Would you like a Dimmu Burger and a Cradle of Fries, it's a Hella tough value meal.

[i am the robots]

No kidding, I'm a lover of verious metal styles plus jazz, classical, prog rock, etc.


But Nu-Metal? That genre is a joke, and most people who like it are tools or don't know any better. I really don't care for someone's opinion who completely goes against what I believe. Sorry. :wave:

Shut the Hell up. How much Nu-Metal have you heard? All you ever do is generalize statements and never back them up. You don't look clever or anything, you just look like a total douchebag.

[Shadows]

:lol: The Vortex part isn't even that good. I just like it a bit. Other than that, new Dummy Burger is ****. I'll go back to my Leviathan, thanks. \m/
I like old Dimmu, back when the vocals were in Norwegian. New stuff is...I don't think I can put it into words.

I like Leviathan. :) I got Tentacles of Whorror earlier today and I'm liking it.

[Elnimio]

Shut the Hell up. How much Nu-Metal have you heard? All you ever do is generalize statements and never back them up. You don't look clever or anything, you just look like a total douchebag.


Ooohh seems like a touched a nerve. And I heard as much Nu-Metal as it's necessary to form an opinion about it:

Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Slipknot, Static-X, etc. I don't think I need to mention anymore, unless you want me to fry my brain thinking up more of that talentless crap.

[i am the robots]

Limp Bizkit and Static-X are disgraces, I thoroughly agree. But Korn, Linkin Park, and Slipknot are quite original. Far from talentless.

What's wrong with Korn? Along with Deftones, Spineshank, and Coal Chamber, they sparked a completely new style of music? From earlier bands in which the members were involved with it's quite obvious that they're capable musicians, but they went with creating something totally different, and succeded.

What's wrong with Linkin Park? Is it the rapping? The over all time they put into each song to make it flow perfectly? The lyrics (which I doubt you understand)? Or is Chester Bennington a bad singer?

I agree that Slipknot isn't too great, but I'll be damned if they're not talented, they're sloppy, yes, but they can play their instruments when they actually try.

You haven't struck a nerv, you've just pissed me off by reminding me of Lord Dargon, only this time the offender doesn't even listen to good music.

[RiceMonster]

Why are you argueing with him Eleventeen? he doesn't give a ****.

[i am the robots]

Because I'm sick of his stupidity. He goes into nearly every thread and adds nothing to the conversation and just says something like "Band A is better tha band B, nobody can comprehend this though because they're so stupid!"

It's been getting on my nerves a lot lately.

[slaughteredfirst]

I am not big on Dimmu.


I love OMC though.

[Chu]

Is the Dimmu version different, musically?

I have a powertab of the song and it says arranged by Dimmu, just wondering if they wrote the music to it?
Could I please get an answer for this? :D

[black\m/metal]

They just did a cover of the twisted sister song, the only
big difference i noticed is the drumming has double bass/
it heavier and i think there is a solo or something that
is different but i havnt listened to their cover in quite a while.
it's pretty mucht he same though. ps. twisted sister rocks despite
what the rest of the world thinks.

[Chu]

If it is the same music as the Twisted Sister version, I will definately be checking them out, that song is so good in my opinion.

Thank you for the fast answer by the way :thumb:

[Moses]

I thought my head was going to explode with all this "tr00 kvlt" crap. Thank you, Freezing Moon.

Oh, and I would like new Dimmu if Vortex took over as the lead vocalist, and they kicked Fagrath out.
Shagrath pretty much is like Dani Filth for Dimmu if I'm not mistaken. Am I?

Because I'm sick of his stupidity. He goes into nearly every thread and adds nothing to the conversation and just says something like "Band A is better tha band B, nobody can comprehend this though because they're so stupid!"

It's been getting on my nerves a lot lately.
I was on about that too. How, he won NRMOTM astounds me. He's way too cynical.

[Ostrich Man]

For people who have heard both "Burn In Hell"s which do you prefer?

[Kronos]

Shagrath pretty much is like Dani Filth for Dimmu if I'm not mistaken. Am I?


I was on about that too. How, he won NRMOTM astounds me. He's way too cynical.

Well he had a 50/50 chance from the off!

:lol:

[Dannyboy15]

I like Vredesbyrd by dimmu it's a pretty badass song.

[Charmand G]

Okay, I`ll just clear out some questionas concerning relations between DB and OMC.

Galder IS OMC and was OMC before he joined DB as a guitarist. Quite funny `cause I saw OMC warm up for DB in Oslo in -97. Nick Barker (ex-DB and COF) played on OMC`s "in defiance of existence" and the two latest DB albums.

Concerning DB, I still enjoy them although they are dead booooring live. I`ve seen them like 8 times now, with festivals and everything. DB have actually become more brutal with the years, and as both a death metal- and black metal-fan I find that great!! No, they are not the same band that recorded "Stormblåst", but the records are still there and the band still plays golden oldies at their shows. Right now, DB re-records "Stormblåst".

And ofcourse, even if success in black metal equals sell-out to many people, they`ve worked hard and contributed to getting black metal world-wide. I like them alot, but more on record than live.

What I really miss is Limbonic Art, but with next years reunion of Emperor, I can live with it. :thumb:

[Charmand G]

Shagrath pretty much is like Dani Filth for Dimmu if I'm not mistaken. Am I?


Yes, you are really mistaken. Go to each bands webpages and listen.

....and this is where I`d like to bring up another thing: the internet. As you know, it`s a place where you can retrieve facts about stuff and stuff.. Even bands have homepages. There you can find: history about band and members........much faster than waiting for someone to give you an answer here. Which again might not be correct. :rolleyes:

[Elnimio]

Limp Bizkit and Static-X are disgraces, I thoroughly agree. But Korn, Linkin Park, and Slipknot are quite original. Far from talentless.

What's wrong with Korn? Along with Deftones, Spineshank, and Coal Chamber, they sparked a completely new style of music? From earlier bands in which the members were involved with it's quite obvious that they're capable musicians, but they went with creating something totally different, and succeded.

What's wrong with Linkin Park? Is it the rapping? The over all time they put into each song to make it flow perfectly? The lyrics (which I doubt you understand)? Or is Chester Bennington a bad singer?

I agree that Slipknot isn't too great, but I'll be damned if they're not talented, they're sloppy, yes, but they can play their instruments when they actually try.

You haven't struck a nerv, you've just pissed me off by reminding me of Lord Dargon, only this time the offender doesn't even listen to good music.

You just gave me all the reasons why Nu-Metal sucks. Sure, SLipknot can play when they actually try, but do they? No. That's because they're limited by their genre of music, Nu-Metal. Linkin Park is a sad excuse for a rock band, with total commerical melodies, meant to make kiddies buy their CDs. Sure, these bands created a new style of music. They created a music style that sucks ***. And oh yeah, the only stupid person here is you, kiddie. It's kind of pathetic that you're trying to argue with me about something that is completely unnecessary. Nu-metal sucks, deal with it and stop whining to me.

[Moses]

You just gave me all the reasons why Nu-Metal sucks. Sure, SLipknot can play when they actually try, but do they? No. That's because they're limited by their genre of music, Nu-Metal. Linkin Park is a sad excuse for a rock band, with total commerical melodies, meant to make kiddies buy their CDs. Sure, these bands created a new style of music. They created a music style that sucks ***. And oh yeah, the only stupid person here is you, kiddie. It's kind of pathetic that you're trying to argue with me about something that is completely unnecessary. Nu-metal sucks, deal with it and stop whining to me.
Mudvayne actually do play out and aren't limited at all. Listen to the first album and tell me it's nothing short of genius.

Deftones are a band who are more artistically advanced than you ever will be. Their drummer is really badass and every one of their albums has some really excellent song on each of them.

You're making it sound like you can't create beauty if you don't have technicality when, in fact some of the most beautiful songs are the easiest to play.

You really sound like an elitist and you should either change your attitude or get off of the forums.

[Interstate]

Only album I have of theirs is Enthrone Darkness Triumphant which is pretty good, haven't listened to it in absolutely ages though. Haven't heard much of their other material aside from a couple of songs from Death Cult Armageddon.

[Shadows]

Slipknot is probably the only nu metal band I can respect. They're definitely great musicians, and they can write some really unique, complex stuff when they decide to think outside the box. Many believe that Korn and a few toher bands were the "originators" of the genre, but few realize that Slipknot began back in 1993.

Anyway, Dimmu. They're also great when they choose to be, but they rarely do. I think I like EDT so much because I'm a Cradle of Filth fan and ETD is basically CoF with waaaayyyyyyy too much synth/keys.

[Elnimio]

Mudvayne actually do play out and aren't limited at all. Listen to the first album and tell me it's nothing short of genius.

Deftones are a band who are more artistically advanced than you ever will be. Their drummer is really badass and every one of their albums has some really excellent song on each of them.

You're making it sound like you can't create beauty if you don't have technicality when, in fact some of the most beautiful songs are the easiest to play.

You really sound like an elitist and you should either change your attitude or get off of the forums.


Mudvayne are a pathetic excuse for a band, and The Deftones are about as "artistic" as a piece of sh-t. See ya :wave:

[Moses]

Mudvayne are a pathetic excuse for a band, and The Deftones are about as "artistic" as a piece of ****. See ya:wave:
Are you just going to say it and leave or are you going to back up your statements. If you don't back them up I'm reporting you.

[RiceMonster]

The only nu metal band I can respect is...

Oh wait, there isn't any. :-/

[Moses]

The only nu metal band I can respect is...

Oh wait, there isn't any. :-/
I don't see why you can't respect Mudvayne, aside from their guitarist they're probably one of the most talented bands around the mainstream.

[Elnimio]

Are you just going to say it and leave or are you going to back up your statements. If you don't back them up I'm reporting you.


Report me all you want, really. I'm not flaming a band on their own thread, and there is nothing in the rules about not being able to express your opinion.


I'll back up my statements only if you beg, and say you're not worthy, otherwise I really won't bother. I think it's fairly obvious.

[Shadows]

One thing that bothers me about nu metal is how so many people claim that the bands don't have to play really complex music to be "talented", because their music is so "unique" and "original". I could record an album of me trying to shove someone into a bonfire; that's never been done before. Sure, it will be new and unusual, but does that mean it's good? Hell no. Even if the bands are technically good at playing music, the genre they choose to play and the music they write shows a lot about them as musicians. If they choose to write really simple, tasteless music, then they're bad musicians no matter how well they can potentially play their instruments.

[Moses]

I'll report you for being an dumbass. I can do that. You probably won't get banned but the mods will add you to their lists of disruptive users.

[Elnimio]

I'll report you for being an dumbass. I can do that. You probably won't get banned but the mods will add you to their lists of disruptive users.


How am I being a dumbass? I'm not the one that listens to Nu-Metal here. You're just getting your panties in a bunch because I don't like your favorite genre of "music". :lol:

[i am the robots]

How are you being a dumbass? Well saying that someone is dumb because they like Nu-Metal makes you qualify, sarcastically calling it music makes you even more qualified, and then to top the cake, you're accusing him of liking Nu-Metal more than any other genre (which is unfounded, he's disagreeing with you because your a dick, not because he's a fanboy) as if it's a bad thing.

[Elnimio]

How are you being a dumbass? Well saying that someone is dumb because they like Nu-Metal makes you qualify, sarcastically calling it music makes you even more qualified, and then to top the cake, you're accusing him of liking Nu-Metal more than any other genre (which is unfounded, he's disagreeing with you because your a dick, not because he's a fanboy) as if it's a bad thing.


Yes, that makes me a dumbass. I failed all my intelligence tests in school because of it.

[i am the robots]

Yes, that makes me a dumbass. I failed all my intelligence tests in school because of it.

Dat wuz so clevar, LOLX!!!1!!!111111111!!!!!

You're a dumbass because you fail to understand when you're making stupid comments, and if someone proves you wrong, rather than coming up with something intelligent to respond with you make a horrible attempt at humor. Please either try A) growing up, B) dyinng in a fire, or C) shutting up.

[Elnimio]

Dat wuz so clevar, LOLX!!!1!!!111111111!!!!!

You're a dumbass because you fail to understand when you're making stupid comments, and if someone proves you wrong, rather than coming up with something intelligent to respond with you make a horrible attempt at humor. Please either try A) growing up, B) dyinng in a fire, or C) shutting up.


Please learn to

A) Spell

[RiceMonster]

One thing that bothers me about nu metal is how so many people claim that the bands don't have to play really complex music to be "talented", because their music is so "unique" and "original". I could record an album of me trying to shove someone into a bonfire; that's never been done before. Sure, it will be new and unusual, but does that mean it's good? Hell no. Even if the bands are technically good at playing music, the genre they choose to play and the music they write shows a lot about them as musicians. If they choose to write really simple, tasteless music, then they're bad musicians no matter how well they can potentially play their instruments.
Quoted for truth. This is why I don't like nu metal. I also don't like the fact that it seems like more of a trend than actual quality music to me. Metal is not pro-mainstream culture, and nu-metal is. I could go on for a bit, but I don't feel like it.

Oh, and you guys fail to realize that Elnimio isn't really taking this seriously, thus you guys are making yourselves look stupid. So just give it up.

[i am the robots]

I agree that a lot of the last wave of Nu-Metal bands were horrendous and did nothing original, but there are some pretty good bands in the genre.

[Shadows]

Quoted for truth. This is why I don't like nu metal. I also don't like the fact that it seems like more of a trend than actual quality music to me. Metal is not pro-mainstream culture, and nu-metal is. I could go on for a bit, but I don't feel like it.

Oh, and you guys fail to realize that Elnimio isn't really taking this seriously, thus you guys are making yourselves look stupid. So just give it up.
I agree. That's one of the many reasons I dislike nu metal.

Don't tell them that, I'm getting a great laugh out of this fight.

[Shattered_Future]

I actually LIKE Static-X though...they were my favorite band at one point. :upset:

Dimmu Borgir's a decent band, better than quite a few people give them credit for...Barker was an absolute beast behind the kit on DCA, and their music has a nice atmospheric quality to it.

Plus, you can HEAR everything. Production is excellent, which I like.

[italic zero]

I love how music is subjective everywhere besides R&M and zerokewl's head.

[Freezing Moon]

I agree that a lot of the last wave of Nu-Metal bands were horrendous and did nothing original, but there are some pretty good bands in the genre.

Originality does not always make a band good, and that's what matters.


Oh, and you guys fail to realize that Elnimio isn't really taking this seriously, thus you guys are making yourselves look stupid. So just give it up.

Quoted for truth, and because I was going to say something simliar.

[Moses]

Quoted for truth. This is why I don't like nu metal. I also don't like the fact that it seems like more of a trend than actual quality music to me. Metal is not pro-mainstream culture, and nu-metal is. I could go on for a bit, but I don't feel like it.
Like I said Deftones and Mudvayne are original and make quality music. How much of those bands have you listened to?

[Freezing Moon]

Like I said Deftones and Mudvayne are original and make quality music. How much of those bands have you listened to?

I've listened to my fair share of both of those, and they're both un-good.

They are no better than any other nu-metal I have heard and that's saying a lot, since being better than bands alot of those bands isn't much of a feat.



If you like nu-metal that is fine, but seriously, expect a lot of intolerance towards it and a lot of arguements against it. Not everyone just says "to each his own." if you're a fan of the genre, you should know this by now.

[Moses]

I realize that, but to judge someone's character on one genre of music they listen to is retarded. I like nu-metal and I like black metal and I like jazz, folk and classical. He thinks I have a lower IQ than him based on a few bands that I like.

I also think it's retarded to say Digital Bath by Deftones is bad music because if you rid your mind of any bias it has against nu-metal, there's no reason why you shouldn't think of it so lowly.

[Ostrich Man]

Good discussions but does anyone still want to argue about Dimmu Borgir some more?

[Freezing Moon]

I realize that, but to judge someone's character on one genre of music they listen to is retarded. I like nu-metal and I like black metal and I like jazz, folk and classical. He thinks I have a lower IQ than him based on a few bands that I like.

I also think it's retarded to say Digital Bath by Deftones is bad music because if you rid your mind of any bias it has against nu-metal, there's no reason why you shouldn't think of it so lowly.

I have no bias against nu-metal. Show me good music, and I don't care what genre it is.

The problem is, I am yet to hear any nu-metal that I would deem anywhere near "good". I don't like the song you are recommending either, and I've heard it plenty. It's just not my thing.

I'm not attacking your musical tastes, you can listen to whatever you wish. Just don't expect everyone else to think it is good.

[Moses]

Never said you were attacking my tastes. Elnimio was.

Not alot of drummers do the things that Deftones drummer does unless they are into hip-hop and jazz which are both definately harder to play successfully than metal. Chino has an awesome range and tone in that song also. The samples in the back come in at just the right time to create a great atmosphere. Conservative guitar in that style isn't easy to do successfully either. Artistic.

To say it's talentless and bad music is ignorant. To say you don't like it is a different thing, which is what you said and I don't hold it against you. Just don't say it doesn't have integrity.

[Ostrich Man]

To say it's talentless and bad music is ignorant. To say you don't like it is a different thing, which is what you said and I don't hold it against you. Just don't say it doesn't have integrity.

I agree with this. To attack a genre because of its general lack of talent is a waste of time.

Alternatively, try outlining what you dislike about certain bands in the genre - avoid the sweeping generalisations.

[Elnimio]

Never said you were attacking my tastes. Elnimio was.

Not alot of drummers do the things that Deftones drummer does unless they are into hip-hop and jazz which are both definately harder to play successfully than metal.



Hip-Hop is harder to play than metal...





:lol: :lol: :lol:



Do you really expect me to take anything you say seriously after statements like that?

[Huber]

If a hip-hop artist wants be technical, I'm sure they could pull it off. Any genre really could. An argument over which genre takes more skill is silly. I'm pretty sure any genre can push it's talents.

[Elnimio]

Has it ever happened? No. His argument is pointless.

[Shattered_Future]

I think he was saying hip-hop drums are hard to play.

When there is a drummer, it is. It's not just a straight 4/4 beat...it's very oddly syncopated. They change it up quite a bit.

If you're saying metal drumming is harder to play than jazz drumming, I believe you would be sadly mistaken.

[Shadows]

Metal drumming can be tougher than jazz.

[Elnimio]

I think he was saying hip-hop drums are hard to play.

When there is a drummer, it is. It's not just a straight 4/4 beat...it's very oddly syncopated. They change it up quite a bit.

If you're saying metal drumming is harder to play than jazz drumming, I believe you would be sadly mistaken.


Did I say that? No. Yes, jazz drumming can be very technical, most of the time it's harder to play than metal drumming. There are a few exceptions though, mainly in extreme forms of metal, where the drummer has to be a technical beast.

[Elnimio]

I think he was saying hip-hop drums are hard to play.

When there is a drummer, it is. It's not just a straight 4/4 beat...it's very oddly


Changing time signatures isn't exactly the hardest thing to do, and metal drummers to it all the time, while doing many other things as well.

[Shattered_Future]

Metal drumming can be tougher than jazz.

I know it CAN be, but generally, jazz requires more precision and technicality.

And I didn't say changing time signatures was hard. Hip-hop drummers change it up all the time...they variate their drumming styles immensely.

[Griffin_Page]

That's just stupid.

Witness the pimp hand.

Bam.

[i am the robots]

I agree with Elnimio on the part of the arguement being retarded, but not the Hip-Hop drumming is not harder than metal drumming. The drumming of the two styles are so different that they're hard for different reasons. I thoroughly enjoy Hip-Hop drumming, one of the major reasons I listen to bands like Taproot, Korn, and Linkin Park, but over all none of their drummers can compete with the likes of Hellhammer, Flo Mournier, or Thomas Corn.

[Silenius]

I'd venture to say that more metal drummers can play hip-hop than hip-hop drummers can play metal.

[i am the robots]

I'd venture to say that more metal drummers can play hip-hop than hip-hop drummers can play metal.

You're probably right, imagine if Thomas Corn did Hip-Hop drumming in some band :drools:.

[Ostrich Man]

You're probably right, imagine if Thomas Corn did Hip-Hop drumming in some band :drools:.

Abuse me if you will but which band does Thomas Corn play for?

I can't find it anywhere :upset:

[StreetlightRock]

Then go away, or do something about it rather than complaining.

Thomas Corn plays for Lykathea Aflame.

[Moses]

Hip-Hop is harder to play than metal...
Drumwise, most of the time.

[i am the robots]

Did you read what I said? I said drumwise most of the time. A standard hip-hop beat is alot more challenging than a standard metal beat.

Standard Metal Beat = Double Bass + Snare, then Cymbol, repeatedly, right?

[Moses]

Standard Metal Beat = Double Bass + Snare, then Cymbol, repeatedly, right?
If that's how you'd like to describe it. The things Hip-hop drummers do on the high-hat are fairly hard to do (relatively) and difficulties occur more often than in metal.

[i am the robots]

All I have to say about Hip-Hop Drumming is Life Is Peachy by Korn.

[StreetlightRock]

They have hilarious Music Viedos. Seriously I was in Greece, and they were showing DB music vedios, It was just gold man.

[i am the robots]

They have hilarious Music Viedos. Seriously I was in Greece, and they were showing DB music vedios, It was just gold man.

Yes, them, along with Immortal, Atreyu, and Trivium make the most retardedly over dramatic music videos.

[Ostrich Man]

They have hilarious Music Viedos. Seriously I was in Greece, and they were showing DB music vedios, It was just gold man.

Any songs in particular?

[StreetlightRock]

Any songs in particular?

Erm. I dont quite remember, but like, they wernt intentionaly funny, just, they were all dressed up and everything, I found it pretty funny.

[Moses]

Immortal = best band in photos.

[Ostrich Man]

Erm. I dont quite remember, but like, they wernt intentionaly funny, just, they were all dressed up and everything, I found it pretty funny.

For further laughs, type Dimmu Borgir in to google images.

[Moses]

Behold, I am Abbath, my fly is down.
That was the best....

[StreetlightRock]

D'you all see the one with the guy who had a hole in a.... bad position in his pants?

[Ostrich Man]

D'you all see the one with the guy who had a hole in a.... bad position in his pants?

Does it have a name?

[Pete]

Does it have a name?
Indeed it does. http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics5/bm2/bm1.jpg

[Apocalyptic Raids]

hahaha

Classic.

[Elnimio]

Drumwise, most of the time.



Show me proof. Give me a "hip-hop" band that has more difficult drumming than any progressive, technical or brutal death metal band.

[RiceMonster]

Yes, them, along with Immortal, Atreyu, and Trivium make the most retardedly over dramatic music videos.
Do not make fun of the almight evilness of Immortal's videos's

:p

[AA-12]

I love Dimmu, but they have too many "meh" songs, aka songs that do nothing for the album.

[Arrakakaka]

Abbath's vocals in Immortal's newest stuff sounds like a bullfrog. :lol:

And I don't like Demon Burger. Just thought I'd pop in.

Cheers.

[Steerpike]

Show me proof. Give me a "hip-hop" band that has more difficult drumming than any progressive, technical or brutal death metal band.

Very nice how you select the most technically demanding genres in the metal spectrum, totally ignoring everything else in the process.

Though I'd have to say just about any hip-hop session drummer is better than Lars Ulrich. I can tell you that right now. :p

[RiceMonster]

:lol: That pic is spreading like wildfire. Good job. :thumb:

edit: To Unstable Mind

[Elnimio]

Very nice how you select the most technically demanding genres in the metal spectrum, totally ignoring everything else in the process.

Though I'd have to say just about any hip-hop session drummer is better than Lars Ulrich. I can tell you that right now. :p


Well, everyone know Lars Ulrich blow!

[Moses]

Well, everyone know Lars Ulrich blow!
Brian Mantia, who did play for Primus for a while, is very creative, and like most hip-hop/jazz drummers does fills with single bass that, in metal, would usually be played with double bass. Compared to Flo Mournier, who is simply just fast as hell, he's a much more accomplished drummer.

You're obviously not a drummer, because you'd be able to realize how much higher the standards are for hip-hop.

Deftones drumming > A7X drumming.

Progressive bands also use tons of hip-hop beats and high-hat tricks that are common in hip-hop. Check out Mike Portnoy in the intro to Awake. Also check out Jason Rullo from Symphony X in Incantations of the Apprentice. Hip-hop influenced progressive music heavily.

Besides that, it's alot more tasteful.

[Elnimio]

Brian Mantia, who did play for Primus for a while, is very creative, and like most hip-hop/jazz drummers does fills with single bass that, in metal, would usually be played with double bass. Compared to Flo Mournier, who is simply just fast as hell, he's a much more accomplished drummer.



You've gotta be kidding me... Have you ever even heard Cryptopsy?

[Moses]

Yes, I listen to them all the time. I still stand by my statement. Do you even play drums?

Also another one, Steve Gadd, the most recorded drummer in history could beat many, many metal drummers into submission.

[Elnimio]

Yes, I listen to them all the time. I still stand by my statement. Do you even play drums?

Also another one, Steve Gadd, the most recorded drummer in history could beat many, many metal drummers into submission.


Yes, I play drums. And all these drummers that you mention are also jazz drummers, and they're specific examples. Even if they are better than most metal drummers as you say, they definitely don't show it any of their hip-hop records. Sure, maybe they're great drummers, but the style of music they're in isn't exactly technically demanding. And I would really like to see your "hip-hop" drummers try to imitate Flo's technique.

[Moses]

The two styles are very different. I doubt Flo could replicate Steve Gadd. When you do mix the two you usually get progressive metal drummers.

[Steerpike]

Yes, I play drums. And all these drummers that you mention are also jazz drummers, and they're specific examples. Even if they are better than most metal drummers as you say, they definitely don't show it any of their hip-hop records. Sure, maybe they're great drummers, but the style of music they're in isn't exactly technically demanding. And I would really like to see your "hip-hop" drummers try to imitate Flo's technique.

The ability to perform a blast beat does not automatically make you an accomplished musician. It just means you're really fast.

To me making music sound good is much more important than making it sound complex.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Metal drumming can be tougher than jazz.

...

Of course it can. But most of the time jazz drumming is a lot more complex.

[Steerpike]

...

Of course it can. But most of the time jazz drumming is a lot more complex.

Jazz drumming is often more polyrhythmic. The genre is founded on an ideal of musical freedom, so the drummer has to give the other musicians lots of room to work with while still holding a solid foundation.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Especially "free jazz".

[Steerpike]

I once attended a jazz ensemble night from the campus music department. They said they were going to play bebop that night. Wow. I had a newfound respect for drummers that night. Especially considering the guy behind the kit did it all as naturally as breathing. I figure he must have been in music since he was old enough to walk.

[Elnimio]

The ability to perform a blast beat does not automatically make you an accomplished musician. It just means you're really fast.

To me making music sound good is much more important than making it sound complex.


That's not all he's doing though... At all... He's actually doing lots of other polyrhythmic beats while blasting.

[Steerpike]

That's not all he's doing though... At all... He's actually doing lots of other polyrhythmic beats while blasting.

I stand by my previous statement. I don't care how technically accomplished you are. All I want to know is: Does it sound good?

[Elnimio]

I stand by my previous statement. I don't care how technically accomplished you are. All I want to know is: Does it sound good?


Good for you, that's not what Moses and I were discussing though.

[RiceMonster]

Yes, Cryptopsy does sound good, as does Flo's drumming.

[Moses]

He does it very sloppily and doesn't do that many advanced polyrhythmic beats. Alot of times he does quintuplets which just sound amess. He amazes me with his speed but that's all he really amazes me with.

[Steerpike]

Good for you, that's not what Moses and I were discussing though.

Perhaps, but someone had to say it.

Yes, Cryptopsy does sound good, as does Flo's drumming.

I tried getting into them a while ago. Not really for me.

[Moses]

I think you might like Cold Hate, Warm Blood. I'd send it to you if I wasn't about to leave to make love to my woman.

[RiceMonster]

I tried getting into them a while ago. Not really for me.
Undrstandable :). I just felt the need to point out that they do sound good, from a death metal point of view, while maintaining technicality.

[firemoth12]

Brian Mantia, who did play for Primus for a while, is very creative, and like most hip-hop/jazz drummers does fills with single bass that, in metal, would usually be played with double bass. Compared to Flo Mournier, who is simply just fast as hell, he's a much more accomplished drummer.

You're obviously not a drummer, because you'd be able to realize how much higher the standards are for hip-hop.

Deftones drumming > A7X drumming.

Progressive bands also use tons of hip-hop beats and high-hat tricks that are common in hip-hop. Check out Mike Portnoy in the intro to Awake. Also check out Jason Rullo from Symphony X in Incantations of the Apprentice. Hip-hop influenced progressive music heavily.

Besides that, it's alot more tasteful.

I listened to Incantations of the Apprentice, but I don't get it. Specifically which sections are hip-hop influence? Can you list some times?

[Shattered_Future]

Jazz drummers are some of the best musicians I know...and I know a TON of jazz drummers.

Having a dad as a full-time jazz musician has its advantages. :D

[Mother_Of_Abominations]

I tried getting into them a while ago. Not really for me.
What album/albums did you listen to to try and get into them?

[Steerpike]

What album/albums did you listen to to try and get into them?

I didn't buy any albums, but I plucked a couple songs off the net. I remember one was called Defenestration and one was Graves of the Fathers.

As I said, not really my thing. Lord Worm's vocals came across more cartoonish than menacing, but maybe that's just me.

[i am the robots]

Deftones drumming /> A7X's drumming, end of story, I love both bands, but the Rev is far better of a drummer.

[Moses]

I listened to Incantations of the Apprentice, but I don't get it. Specifically which sections are hip-hop influence? Can you list some times?
The high-hat tricks at 44 seconds. I only used that example because I was listening to it at the moment.

@I_Am_Vikingcore
Did you ever see the B-sides and Rarities Dvd? He plays this awesome beat with one hand and tries to drink a beer but he laughs and messes up.

[Cobshred666]

What Dimmu Borgir CD's should i bUy?

[RiceMonster]

What Dimmu Borgir CD's should i bUy?
You're best not to buy any. But if you must, get Stormblast.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

:lol:

Yeah, just get Stormblast

[i am the robots]

The high-hat tricks at 44 seconds. I only used that example because I was listening to it at the moment.

@I_Am_Vikingcore
Did you ever see the B-sides and Rarities Dvd? He plays this awesome beat with one hand and tries to drink a beer but he laughs and messes up.

I know this, I love Deftones, but The Rev is an amazing drummer.

[Cobshred666]

You're best not to buy any. But if you must, get Stormblast.

Aight Will do

[Moses]

I know this, I love Deftones, but The Rev is an amazing drummer.
I think The Rev is solid and does some neat things but nothing really phenomenal.

[Ostrich Man]

What Dimmu Borgir CD's should i bUy?

They recently re-recorded Stormblast so it shouldn't be too hard to find.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

If you are going to get Stormblast, get the original.

[Ostrich Man]

If you are going to get Stormblast, get the original.

Only problem with that is that they recorded the original before they became mainstream.

Might be a tad hard to find?

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Only problem with that is that they recorded the original before they became mainstream.

Might be a tad hard to find?


http://www.cmdistro.com/shop/index.aspx?page=item&iditem=10336

No.

[Ostrich Man]

http://www.cmdistro.com/shop/index.aspx?page=item&iditem=10336

No.

My bad.


DB's next album (due out '06) will not do any favours for the almost non-existent respect they have.

They should either give up now or revert back to singing real Norweigen black metal (Inn I Evighetens Morke, For All Tid).

[lightningmetal666]

If you hit me up on AIM, I can send you both. My AIM is in my profile.

I don't have AIM but my email is lightningmetal666@yahoo.com

You could just email it to me using YSI or Megaupload.


Thanx dude.

[sugar66]

Dimmu Borgir is such a frustrating band. I love Stormblast (only heard For All Tid once, a long time ago. Still need to dnag a copy of that), but all their albums after that are so inconsistant. The part that's frustrating is that all of those post Stormblast albums have a few awesome songs and moments and then the rest of the album is filled with forgettable crap. AHHH! You could probably make one really awesome album with tracks taken from their last four. Hmmm. I think I might do that!

[Ostrich Man]

Dimmu Borgir is such a frustrating band.

To ease your frustration:

1. Destroy any DB albums you have that were made after 1996.

2. Buy "Stormblast" and "For All Tid".

[Son of Northern Darkness]

I LOVE Dimmu Borgir! They are just absolutely Awesome!!! I CANNOT wait for the re-recorded version of Stormblast to be released! It's going to be absolutely amazing!!! I love just about all of their stuff! Their older stuff is more Brutal and more Easily identifiable as Black Metal...Whereas I feel their newer releases like The DEath Cult Armageddon is more Melodic... But I Love it nonetheless! It's friggin Awesome! So epic! Ex drummer Nick Barker is amazing! I feel their Best Album is Spiritual Black Dimensions... But The intro to Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia "Fear and Wonder" is simply amazing!
I love the way they make use of Brass instruments and whole orchestras fot that matter, to create such an Epic Sound and Atmosphere.

[Ostrich Man]

I love the way they make use of Brass instruments and whole orchestras fot that matter, to create such an Epic Sound and Atmosphere.


Well that is the definition of symphonic metal...

[Son of Northern Darkness]

Well that is the definition of symphonic metal...
Thank you for that....

[cos you know that i can]

I only have Death Cult Armageddon, and I really like it *shrugs*

Might have to get Stormblast though, on the recommendations in this thread. They're odd, though - not as mainstream as CoF, and not tr00 enough to be underground. I can't see them surviving.

[StreetlightRock]

?? The've been around for more than a decade already.

[Shadows]

I'd say they're almost as popular as Cradle of Filth. Unlike CoF, they're not a major label (I think), so you don't hear about them as much.

[Son of Northern Darkness]

. I can't see them surviving.

Dude!!!!! Seriously! :confused: Think about what you just said! They've been around for ever! They are a Major force in the Black MEtal scene.... Come on!! Read up on them, you'll realise how big they actually are...

[Tommy-r]

who cares about Dimmu when Emperor is reuniting :):):)

[StreetlightRock]

Say what??

[Son of Northern Darkness]

who cares about Dimmu when Emperor is reuniting :):):)

I CANNOT WAIT!!!!

[cos you know that i can]

Woah - any album plans in the near future for Emperor, then?

[Shadows]

No. They're reforming to play Wacken, but that's it. No new albums or anything.

[cos you know that i can]

Ahhh...should be a good show though, brief as the reformation will be.

NP: Dimmu - Burn in hell

[StreetlightRock]

=( Y'all had my hopes up

[Shadows]

I listened to Enthrone Darkness Triumphant earlier. Good stuff.

[Ostrich Man]

What do you guys think of each individual DB member? Is one better than another? Which line-up did you prefer? What do you like/dislike about each member?

Current Line-Up

Shagrath (Stian Thoresen) - Vocals
Galder (Thomas Rune Andersen) - Guitar
Silenoz (Sven Atle Kopperud) - Guitar
ICS Vortex (Simen Hestnæs) - Bass, Vocals
Mustis (Øyvind Mustaparta) - Keyboard
Hellhammer (Jan Axel Von Blomberg) - Drums

Previous Members

Astennu - Guitar - (1997-1999)
Brynjard Tristan - Bass - (1994-1996)
Nagash - Bass - (1996-1999)
Tjodalv - Drums - (1993-1999)
Nicholas Howard Barker - Drums - (1999-2004)
Tony Laureano - Drums - (2004-2005)
Reno Kiilerich - Drums - (2004-2004)
Stian Aarstad - Keyboard - (1993-1997)
Kimberly Goss - Keyboard - (1997-1998)

Studio Releases

Inn I Evighetens Mørke [EP] - (1994)
For All Tid - (1994)
Stormblåst - (1996)
Devil's Path [EP] - (1996)
Enthrone Darkness Triumphant - (1997)
Spiritual Black Dimensions - (1999)
Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia - (2001)
Death Cult Armageddon - (2003)
Stormblast (re-recorded) - (2005)

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Vortex and Hellhammer > every one else in the band by far.

And it's Jan Axel Von Blomberg by the way, which is also one hell of a name.

[Ostrich Man]

Vortex and Hellhammer > every one else in the band by far.

And it's Jan Axel Von Blomberg by the way, which is also one hell of a name.

You're right about Hellhammer. Do you guys prefer his drumming with DB or Mayhem?

Thanks for the name correction by the way :thumb:

[Shadows]

These guys have had almost as many lineup changes as Cradle of Filth. Most people insult Shagrath, but I don't mind his voice.

[i am the robots]

You're right about Hellhammer. Do you guys prefer his drumming with DB or Mayhem?

Thanks for the name correction by the way :thumb:

I'd have to say I prefer the drumming in either Winds or Blut Aus Nord :cool:.

Hellhammer drums in so many more bands than just Mayhem and Dimmu Borgir, and I don't even think they've recorded an album with him yet.

[the2stranger]

You're right about Hellhammer. Do you guys prefer his drumming with DB or Mayhem?

Thanks for the name correction by the way :thumb:


I prefer Hellhammer in Arcturus :cool:

I think their keyboardist is quite cool a,lthough sometime skeyboards are over the top, and that says something, me being a keyboardist :p

[Ostrich Man]

Does anyone have a complete list of all the bands Hellhammer has been in?

Can't find it on the internet anywhere...

[xizoesira]

Does anyone have a complete list of all the bands Hellhammer has been in?

Can't find it on the internet anywhere...

Hellhammer (Jan Axel von Blomberg) - Age of Silence, ex-Antestor, Arcturus, Carnivora, ex-Covenant (Nor), ex-Jørn, Mayhem (Nor), Mezzerschmitt, ex-Mortem (Nor), ex-Shining, ex-The Kovenant, Thorns, Troll (Nor), ex-Vidsyn, Winds (Nor)

Thanks Metal Archives.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I prefer Hellhammer in Arcturus :cool:
*nods*

Especially in the second half of Hibernation Sickness Complete. pwn

[azbassman]

Has anyone heard the cover Dimmu Borgir did of the Twisted Sister song "burn in hell"........i love it

[Ostrich Man]

What do you guys think of Stian Thoresen and Vortex as vocalists?

[Inkstar]

Biiiiiiiiiiiiig bump.

Dimmu are one of my favourite black metal bands, I must say. They're one of the few groups that really have you involved in every song rather than just the odd one or two good ones. Awesome stuff.

[I'm Charming]

I love this band to death. I enjoy every album.

Progenies, Mourning Palace, For The World To Dictate Our Death, Blood Hunger Doctrine, All Saints Will Burn In The Domain Of Hell (track 7 on DCA), Spellbound, and really all their stuff.

Shagrath and Vortex are quite the vocal duo.

[Shadows]

Oh yes, the vocal harmony in Allehelgens Dod I Helveds Rike is amazing.

[10th man down]

I have Spiritual Black Dimensions and Death Cult..., both awesome albums. A few of my favorites are "Dreamside Dominions", "Reptile", "Progenies Of The Great Apocalypse", "Blood Hunger Doctrine".

Awesome band!

[I'm Charming]

Oh yes, the vocal harmony in Allehelgens Dod I Helveds Rike is amazing.

Vortex does some seriously amazing clear vocals. That's for damn sure.

[Luc214]

I want to kill the people that call them "Dummy Burger".

I love them.

[I'm Charming]

I want to kill the people that call them "Dummy Burger".

I love them.

haha.

Most people that like them pronouce the name wrong. Stupid americans.

Dim moo bor gear :cool:

[Luc214]

Oh it's "gear"? I always thought it was "gur".

*is a stupid american*

[I'm Charming]

Oh it's "gear"? I always thought it was "gur".

*is a stupid american*


That's what I first thought when I got into them a couple years ago. Then saw the correct pronouncation on their website.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I've owned Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia and Deathcult Armaggedon for a while and love them....... Just recently picked up Stormblast and it's already my favorite.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I like some of the keyboard arrangements on Stormblast. That's about it.

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

Biiiiiiiiiiiiig bump.

Dimmu are one of my favourite black metal bands, I must say. They're one of the few groups that really have you involved in every song rather than just the odd one or two good ones. Awesome stuff.
agree^^^

my and my friend always argue over whos better, CoF or DB

[Luc214]

Here's a simple solution to your arguing.

Dimmu's music is more layered than CoF's, especially on Death Cult Armageddon.

Dani is a much better vocalist than Shagrath.

CoF has a harder, more metal sound, Dimmu has a more atmospheric and symphonic sound.

I'd say each band is pretty much equally talented. I can't really choose one over the other.

[Nepenthe]

Here's a simple solution to your arguing.

Dimmu's music is more layered than CoF's, especially on Death Cult Armageddon.

Dani is a much better vocalist than Shagrath.

CoF has a harder, more metal sound, Dimmu has a more atmospheric and symphonic sound.

I'd say each band is pretty much equally talented. I can't really choose one over the other.

I can. Dimmu. And imo, Shagrath>Dani. I mean just listen to his vocals on Mourning Palace. Amazing. And I'm not one of those CoF haters either, I love them.

[Luc214]

Dani has a much better vocal range.

[Shadows]

Dimmu's music is more layered than CoF's, especially on Death Cult Armageddon.
I beg to differ. Dimmu's music is hardly more "layered". They merely add an additional sound through the orchestras they often use. Cradle of Filth combines guitar harmonies with melodic and atmospheric piano/keyboard pieces.

I love both, but I'd have to take CoF over Dimmu.

[Nepenthe]

Dani has a much better vocal range.

He can hit as many low and high notes as he wants, but overall the one range Shagrath stays in sounds much better than all of Dani's. Once again, I love CoF but that's just how I see it.

[Luc214]

Alright :p

I still like Dani better.

[Nepenthe]

Alright :p

I still like Dani better.

To each his own. Dani does possess a very good voice. I don't really like his growling, sound very amatuer to me, but all of his higher pitched stuff is good.

[De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas]

There old stuff is alot better then the new stuff,but its still good.

[I'm Charming]

There old stuff is alot better then the new stuff,but its still good.

All of DB's stuff is great.
It's really hard to pick between new and old since the sounds are incredibly far apart.

[IheartSP]

I think Stormblast (only old album I have) is really good but it's too bad its got such horrid production.

I think DCA is awesome it has absolutely astonishing keyboard work and atmosphere to it.

With that in mind you would think I would like Stormblast 2005, but they totally f'ed it up. In theory Stormblast + Good Production = load in pants, but it really didn't turn out that way. It completely lost its atmosphere and they changed some of the songs a lot, where is the piano intro, and although they had no choice Sorgens Kammer I was a lot better than II. They shouldn't have changed any of the song structures and keyboard parts, it could have been really good if it kept its original feel.

[Shadows]

I love the new Stormblast, but they really should've kept the old keyboard parts.

[Silenius]

They couldnt as their old keyboard player ripped them of another band. (All of Sorgens Kammer was composed by a different band that dimmus keyboardist ripped off)

[Shadows]

Sorgens Kammer was ripped off but all of the other keyboard pieces on the album were original.

[Silenius]

The only part missing is the intro to Alt Lys Svunnet Hen or are more missing?

[metalhead_matt]

hey, im completely new to dimmu, my friend put some on the other day when we were chillin and i was amazed :) i know this is probably always asked but, what songs are the best in your opinions, and what album should i get first?
thanks

[The Feeding]

PS Don't OMC and DB have some kind of connection, member-wise? I don't know very much about Black Metal - I just have a few OMC albums. (which I like. :angry: )[/QUOTE]

Yes, Galder plays guitars for Dimmu, and has Old Man's Child as a side project. He does everything but drums for OMC, but i'm not sure.....