Please: Issue with Moderators Opinions voiced.

[Riouken]

Right.

If this thread gets locked we will simply take it to the casual! It has pretty mcuh come to my attention and many others really, that we need a new mod. I'd say a replacement really.

We need someone active, logical, honest and can pretty much see through any idiocy.

I'm going to suggest that: Sade replaces Gav as mod.


Would you PLEASE voice any opinion you have on the moderator set-up as of yet.


P.S. Am I going to get banned for this? This is a thread that is trying anything to HELP the forum, not attack another member.

[Sade]

You're not going to get banned. Trust me.

Although, I agree completely. Maybe not as myself being mod (although..what can I say.) but Gav has GOT to go. He's done nothing but spam in local threads. He has done NOTHING for the bass forum, and every member of this community knows that. Sure, he's a nice guy-but he contributes to nothing but meaningless "Team Lightning" spam fests and schecter threads. We need a mod that's online, and willing to listen to the forum for once. That's what we need.

[Tryxx]

I'm not going to lock it yet. I'd just like the opinions to be well thought out and as constructive as they can be.

I gave permission for this, you will not be banned.

As soon as I feel this has run it's course, it will be closed and linked to the mod forum.

[Aukai]

I don't know if I wanna tread there, but sometimes I think Gav reminds me of barney and Sade is well, a Sadist. If you could find someone, I dunno, is Edgebass a mod? If not he should be.

[Sade]

Even though this means nothing to the mods or anybody with power, I strongly suggest allowing me the oppertunity to mod. Not even supermod, just give me access. I want this community to be a COMMUNITY. Where the voice of the forum goers are heard-

Without us, you mods would be as useless as SubContra's new name.

[Riouken]

Don't anybody hodl back your opinion in fear of being banned. This is exactly the problem fo this forum.

Gav, if you se this post don't get angry. This is a civil discussion adn you are entitled to any defense or ideas you have. This is NOT an attack against you.

[Sade]

Although I used to be pretty harsh, that's just a ploy. My Sade to Cil change was evident only when I felt a stronger connection to the forum. In actuality, I am serious about becoming a mod. I want to ease this forum up a bit-we're trying SO HARD to keep it the nicest place on MX. We're nice because we're people, not because we've got a million rules. Just hear out the forum goers for once, really.

[Az_Holl]

I dont necessarily want Gav replaced but i think we need a mod from an Australian time zone.

[Aukai]

Btw, this isn't some type of coup on the bass forum is it?

[Sade]

Seriously-Gav, what Riouken said-it's not an attack. You're a great guy-and super nice. But unfortunately, that's not what a mod should be in the eyes of the majority of this forum. Frankly, you've done nothing but spam since you became a mod.

[irishslappop]

i hold my stance, its not broken, so no fixing is required.

[Tryxx]

There has been talk of an Australian based moderator, I don't know if the need for one is as great now that I'm around, though. It'll be brought up with this thread.

Btw, this isn't some type of coup on the bass forum is it?

Excuse me?

[Riouken]

Please. Post your honest opinion and keep this discussion civil.

If enough forum members want the same goal as me and Sade, then surely there is no excuse for it not to be done. As it would be for the good of the forum over all.

[Sade]

The point is not fixing-it's a matter of principal. Myself, I'd like to see a mod active and doing what forum members want them to do. Mods should listen to the forum, not the other way around.

But Gav just..well, he doesn't do much. WM is barely on, and Tryxx is starting to propose ludacris ideas that are completely unecessary.

[Sade]

Please. Post your honest opinion and keep this discussion civil.

If enough forum members want the same goal as me and Sade, then surely there is no excuse for it not to be done. As it would be for the good of the forum over all.


Completely agreed.


If even I am not even remotely considered for moderator-at least the demodding of Gav will still hold some significance.


People, please-voice your TRUE opinions. Don't worry about people being "mad" at you, or being "banned." Everything flies in this thread, as long as it's what you TRUELY believe.

[Tryxx]

Alex is on pretty much constantly, Sade. 10 A.M. at least to 10 P.M. at night.
That idea is chunked out. No need to worry about it. :thumb:

[Riouken]

I'd say Gav isn't on much. When he is on he doesn't do much apart from spam in the occasional thread then lock it when he feels like he's hadenough fun. There was a huge thread of about 6 pages of spam and flaming. Gav came online I even posted ":lol: Gav will lock this soon anyway" He came online, never locked it. I had to tell WM about the thread for it to eventually be locked!

Really, this forum needs a set of logical thinking moderators who will listen to what the members of the forum want. If moderators simply want to wave their magic wand then that is not for the good of the forum, at all.

[Aukai]

Excuse me?

I thought Gav shouldn't have been a mod, but I didn't think it was this big of a deal. I mean damn, we should be thankful we are the only decent section on MX forum. But thats my opinion.

[Sade]

I believe moderators should be ELECTED.


I honestly think this should start to be set into place.

[irishslappop]

I believe moderators should be ELECTED.


I honestly think this should start to be set into place.
that would never work. it would be a popularity contest.

[Sade]

Seriously-this forum is turning into a bunch of brainwashed idiots. Nobody says what they want, because they're terrified of somebody "getting mad at them." Or being banned...or something of this nature.

[Sade]

that would never work. it would be a popularity contest.

Umm...elections ARE popularity contests, buddy. You didn't need to re-state it.

[Tryxx]

Irish, EP, that's not constructive or civil.

[Riouken]

Agreed! Moderators should be elected and the fact that Gav was made mod BAFFLES ME.

It clearlyy was not for the good f the forum. It hasn't caused MAJOR problems but it could be improved and it simply looks like a joke right now.

I say we have a new mod, elected.

[Sade]

Agreed! Moderators should be elected and the fact that Gav was made mod BAFFLES ME.

It clearlyy was not for the good f the forum. It hasn't caused MAJOR problems but it could be improved and it simply looks like a joke right now.

I say we have a new mod, elected.

This is what I would suggest, as well. If nothing else, de-mod Gav, and re-elect a forum member. Perhaps, an Aussie-or somebody online and a strong, active member of the community.

[Az_Holl]

I believe moderators should be ELECTED.


I honestly think this should start to be set into place.
I wouldnt trust half the people here with a vote...

[ikikdababy]

If even I am not even remotely considered for moderator-



That's the case, more or less... if there was a question in your mind.

You haven't won too many friends amongst the folks with the power, to date, from what I understand. The future doesn't look all that bright, either.

Anyway, carry on. Just thought I'd keep you from getting your hopes too high.


EDIT: mods will never be elected so that discussion can be dropped unless you enjoy going on about nothing.

[Tryxx]

I wasn't elected, in fact, no one else knew I was going to become a mod tell it happened. Though I understand the point.

Honestly, at best, you're not going to have Gav de-modded, I just don't see it happening. Sade, you're not going to BE modded. You're quite infamous on the mod forum. I understand your points, but we're dealing with honesty here.

At best you can hope to have someone along side Gav.

[Sade]

That's the case, more or less... if there was a question in your mind.

You haven't won too many friends amongst the folks with the power to date, from what I understand.

Anyway, carry on. Just thought I'd keep you from getting your hopes too high.

No worries, mate. I am not here to hunt for power. That is the last thing I'd like to send across. I'd just like to give the forum a voice. ATM, I felt like somebody who could get that across.

At any rate, this is about the re-electing of a new moderator. Nothing more beyond that point.

[MuRd0K]

If you could find someone, I dunno, is Edgebass a mod? If not he should be.

:thumb: Agreed. I love edgebass.

I kind of agree with you guys, I mean, I barely see Gav here anymore, and whenever he is on, he just seems to lock every thread that has more than 50 posts. I don't hate him, he's not a bad guy or anything, but as a mod, he's... bland.

[irishslappop]

ok, by that i ment that people {12,13 yearolds :rolleyes:) would vote like this:

OmGZZZZ SAdE=t3h FunnyzorS! i VoTez0|2 for HiM!!!!!
IMO the majority would vote on who they thought was funny, rebellious, and would probably make a bad mod.

im not saying you would make a bad mod or a good mod, i really dont know. i think the current situation is fine. i can post a question in a thread recieve and answer and go on with my life. there is no need for a revolution.

[Joelbassman]

Well..

Ok, Gav hasn't beenm doing the best as a mod, and Sade probably would do a better job of being active and enforcing rules logically, but I have not seen Gav do a 'bad' thing as a mod.

He used to 'spam' in a lot of threads before he was a mod, why should he have to change because he was modded? So until he does something completely ridiculous I think things should stay as they are.

[ToolBox]

This place isn't a democracy or republic.

[Sade]

I wasn't elected, in fact, no one else knew I was going to become a mod tell it happened. Though I understand the point.

Honestly, at best, you're not going to have Gav de-modded, I just don't see it happening. Sade, you're not going to BE modded. You're quite infamous on the mod forum. I understand your points, but we're dealing with honesty here.

At best you can hope to have someone along side Gav.

Why will they not de-mod Gav? SURELY they can SEE he's done nothing, and this forum frequently notices, and has a problem with it?

I don't understand their politics.

[Sade]

Well..

Ok, Gav hasn't beenm doing the best as a mod, and Sade probably would do a better job of being active and enforcing rules logically, but I have not seen Gav do a 'bad' thing as a mod.

He used to 'spam' in a lot of threads before he was a mod, why should he have to change because he was modded? So until he does something completely ridiculous I think things should stay as they are.

I'm sorry, but that's a ludacris statement. That's like modding myself, and asking me to be the same way I was.

[Riouken]

I wasn't elected, in fact, no one else knew I was going to become a mod tell it happened. Though I understand the point.

Honestly, at best, you're not going to have Gav de-modded, I just don't see it happening. Sade, you're not going to BE modded. You're quite infamous on the mod forum. I understand your points, but we're dealing with honesty here.

At best you can hope to have someone along side Gav.
Why will Gav not get de-modded?

If it were for the good of the forum and the forum members wanted it. Over the mods who did, then why would it not happen?

This is the problem in this forum. The mods are too concerned with their buddies being up there rather than the people who will actually beeffective doing their job.

[e p]

Irish, EP, that's not constructive or civil.


:confused: :confused:

Are you kidding me? i was giving my opinion and constructing to the thread. ****. sorry just because i dont talk like a thesarus and use all puncuation like all you other robots. get off you high horse man, seriously.


and the fact that you deleted my post is just plain retarded. omg yes I said retarded...better correct that before gav gets on

[Sade]

I agree. It does seem like a mod "dynasty" so to speak. Tryxx, could you please get some mods from the mod forum to come over here and speak to us? I'd like to hear what they have to say.

[gregulus]

That's the case, more or less... if there was a question in your mind.

You haven't won too many friends amongst the folks with the power, to date, from what I understand. The future doesn't look all that bright, either.

Anyway, carry on. Just thought I'd keep you from getting your hopes too high.


EDIT: mods will never be elected so that discussion can be dropped unless you enjoy going on about nothing.
Hahaha, one can always count on you.

I think you all just care to much about the internet. But I do like Sade, I'd love to see him be a mod and an asshole all at once.

[Sade]

This place isn't a democracy or republic.

Exactly, which is what we're trying to change.

[Tryxx]

I don't feel Gav has done a bad job, Alex doesn't either. I suppose I could go to the length to say Gav isn't as productive in my first days of modding, but he doesn't necessarily half to be. It's a shared burdon between the three of us. And he doesn't abuse his power or anything, so I wouldn't see much wrong with leaving him as a mod.

He cleans up the pit and takes care of other threads more than you know.

[Sade]

Hahaha, one can always count on you.

I think you all just care to much about the internet. But I do like Sade, I'd love to see him be a mod and an asshole all at once.

Nice ninja edit.

Please, if you're going to be immature-take it to the casual thread and bash me.

The problem with being Sade, is I am already open to attack just because of my name.

[irishslappop]

Exactly, which is what we're trying to change.
its noble man it really is. but you have to face the facts. MX OWNSthis site. it doesnt matter what you think, what you do, or how hard you try. what he says goes. and you have to deal with it man. its not easy, but its just the way it is.

[ToolBox]

Exactly, which is what we're trying to change.


I'm sorry, but you have no right to make this forum a republic or a democracy. You could only kindly request that, which I guess you are doing.

Civil disobedience is still disobedience (...anyone name this reference?)

[Sade]

I still think Gav should be de-modded. I see what I see in the Bass forum. I could care less what he does in The Pit.

[Riouken]

Are people too blind to see? MODS SHOULD BE ELECTED!


It simply a bunch of buddies up there. Nothing more.

Why can it not bee seen that Gav is not an efficient mod. He hasn't created anything majorly bad, but there are certinaly better people who are willing to do his job.


Mods NEED to be elected for the good of the forum. I am not suggesting Sade be mod because I find him hillariously funny. I think you'll find I was one of the people who constnatlyargued with Sade in the past, but he's since changed and has always had some sense to him.

I would happily take the mod position, but, I am not a buddy of thecurrent mods. This is the situation.

[Joelbassman]

I'm sorry, but that's a ludacris statement. That's like modding myself, and asking me to be the same way I was.
yeah but you have changed from old school chip on the shoulder Sade. But I still think you will be in the Casual having conversations just like you do now. So why can't Gav?

[e p]

Civil disobedience is still disobedience (...anyone name this reference?)

nazi reference i belive. zeig heil!

[Sade]

I'm sorry, but you have no right to make this forum a republic or a democracy. You could only kindly request that, which I guess you are doing.

Civil disobedience is still disobedience (...anyone name this reference?)
Thoreau.

Yes, I am attempting to civily change the state of this forum's politics.

[e p]

Are people too blind to see? MODS SHOULD BE ELECTED!




are you too blind to see? you have no ****ing say. you dont own this site.

[PaulSimonon]

Goddamn guys... It's a forum on the internet. There is absolutely no need for these childish politics.

So what if he "spams"? So what if he isn't online all of the time? He's human.

Double standards are bound to happen. Biases are a part of life. Suck it up, or press the power button.

[Tryxx]

:confused: :confused:

Are you kidding me? i was giving my opinion and constructing to the thread. ****. sorry just because i dont talk like a thesarus and use all puncuation like all you other robots. get off you high horse man, seriously.


and the fact that you deleted my post is just plain retarded. omg yes I said retarded...better correct that before gav gets on

I'm sorry, I don't see how saying that the bass forum needs a tampon is constructive.

[Sade]

yeah but you have changed from old school chip on the shoulder Sade. But I still think you will be in the Casual having conversations just like you do now. So why can't Gav?

I do not spam, nor have I ever. Gav has, and still does.

[Joelbassman]

Are people too blind to see? MODS SHOULD BE ELECTED!


It simply a bunch of buddies up there. Nothing more.

Why can it not bee seen that Gav is not an efficient mod. He hasn't created anything majorly bad, but there are certinaly better people who are willing to do his job.


Mods NEED to be elected for the good of the forum I am not suggesting Sade be mod because I find him hillariously funny. I think you'll find I was one of the people who constnatlyargued with Sade in the past, but he's since changed and has always had some sense to him.
I would happily take the mod position, but, I am not a buddy of thecurrent mods. This is the situation.
He definitly seems to be right most of the time.

[ikikdababy]

At any rate, this is about the re-electing of a new moderator. Nothing more beyond that point.

Oh well if that's the case, we shut this down right now.

1. Mod elections will never happen, ever.

2. Jim doesn't mod unless he thinks they're capable of doing the job. As result, people don't get demodded unless they ask for it or prove themselves grossly incapable.

Now, perhaps you believe that Gav fits under #2. Unfortunately, what you believe has no bearing on what Jim does. So, this thread is really a waste of all of our time.

[AlmightyPancake]

The bass forum does not need to have its mods banning anyone who ever steps out of line.

Gav's not done anything wrong, and he's a solid mod. Everyone stop bitching. There's no reason for any of this.

[e p]

I'm sorry, I don't see how saying that the bass forum needs a tampon is constructive.


had you read my whole post you would have seen my quote of me saying "if it aint broke dont fix it."

oh but I said tampon in the post. my bad. delete it immediately

[ToolBox]

Are people too blind to see? MODS SHOULD BE ELECTED!


It simply a bunch of buddies up there. Nothing more.

Why can it not bee seen that Gav is not an efficient mod. He hasn't created anything majorly bad, but there are certinaly better people who are willing to do his job.


Mods NEED to be elected for the good of the forum I am not suggesting Sade be mod because I find him hillariously funny. I think you'll find I was one of the people who constnatlyargued with Sade in the past, but he's since changed and has always had some sense to him.

I would happily take the mod position, but, I am not a buddy of thecurrent mods. This is the situation.

No, I'm sorry you have it wrong. It doesn't matter what you believe it should be, it is how MX wants it to be. He owns this site and he can do whatever he wants with it. He has to set the rules that benefit the users, without giving them too much control. Otherwise he looses traffic, and therefore money, or he looses control over his forums.

He can do whatever he want, and mods SHOULDN'T be elected, you want them to be.

[Tryxx]

I'm sorry, but you have no right to make this forum a republic or a democracy. You could only kindly request that, which I guess you are doing.

Civil disobedience is still disobedience (...anyone name this reference?)

Maddox.

Now seriously, we're drifting off.

[gregulus]

Nice ninja edit.

Please, if you're going to be immature-take it to the casual thread and bash me.

The problem with being Sade, is I am already open to attack just because of my name.
How am I being immature. I just don't think it's as big of a deal as you guys do.

This reminds me of the Politics forum "revolution". That was a joke too, but it's a shame I bought it.

[irishslappop]

Are people too blind to see? MODS SHOULD BE ELECTED!
voting requirements? age? nothing? Sorry to all of you 12 year olds out there, but i dont want you making any choices relating to me.
Internet democrasy will not work. i could make 700 accounts and vote for the same person if i wanted to. this idea is perposterous.

[Joelbassman]

I do not spam, nor have I ever. Gav has, and still does.
Hey, I didn't say you spam. And you want to define spam. Because you could say that Gav does spam. But then you look at the likes of Doug. :p

So are you talking, one word post kind of spam of the Doug variety, or off topic coversations in non casual threads?

[ToolBox]

Oh well if that's the case, we shut this down right now.

1. Mod elections will never happen, ever.

2. Jim doesn't mod unless he thinks they're capable of doing the job. As result, people don't get demodded unless they ask for it or prove themselves grossly incapable.

Now, perhaps you believe that Gav fits under #2. Unfortunately, what you believe has no bearing on what Jim does. So, this thread is really a waste of all of our time.

Kudos.

[ikikdababy]

Hahaha, one can always count on you.

I think you all just care to much about the internet. But I do like Sade, I'd love to see him be a mod and an asshole all at once.

Dependable is my middle name.

[Sade]

I fail to understand the logic.

This forum is a part of your lives, at least have the maturity to cut that whole trump card "OMG IT'S AN INTERNET FORUM OMG STFU LAWL!" crap out. It's no different than saying "OMG IT'S A BUSH DYNASTY WHAT DO U CARE LAWL?"

[e p]

I fail to understand the logic.

This forum is a part of your lives, at least have the maturity to cut that whole trump card "OMG IT'S AN INTERNET FORUM OMG STFU LAWL!" crap out. It's no different than saying "OMG IT'S A BUSH DYNASTY WHAT DO U CARE LAWL?"

not really. this is the internet. its a lot different than a real life governent system. :confused:

[PaulSimonon]

What is this supposed to accomplish? If Gav gets demodded are you going to get off to seeing his name no longer in italics?

This is pointless. It's just a forum on the internet. There is absolutely no need for this political **** to be brought into it. If you don't like what's happening then leave.

[irishslappop]

the difference is huge sade, your running out of things to say relating the internet to real life is rediculous and you know it!

[Sade]

Just ban all of us mods. We're just a waste of your time. Ban everyone on MX. Axe the whole thing. Doesn't mean anything anyways.

While you at it, howabout we all commit mass suicide? Not like anything we do will have any impact on this world of 6 billion. Might as well cut it out, because it's pointless.

[Riouken]

voting requirements? age? nothing? Sorry to all of you 12 year olds out there, but i dont want you making any choices relating to me.
Internet democrasy will not work. i could make 700 accounts and vote for the same person if i wanted to. this idea is perposterous.
Hmm that is a fair point.

Perhaps not elections, but discussions like these could surely happen before a mod is suprisingly among us?

[AlmightyPancake]

I do not spam, nor have I ever. Gav has, and still does.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10195650#post10195650
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10195590#post10195590
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10195468#post10195468
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10190761#post10190761
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10188052#post10188052
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10177004#post10177004



Just from randomly scanning your posts. Those are all technically spam.

[Sade]

the difference is huge sade, your running out of things to say relating the internet to real life is rediculous and you know it!

I have plenty to say, I'm just losing the will to say it.

[ikikdababy]

Just ban all of us mods. We're just a waste of your time. Ban everyone on MX. Axe the whole thing. Doesn't mean anything anyways.

While you at it, howabout we all commit mass suicide? Not like anything we do will have any impact on this world of 6 billion. Might as well cut it out, because it's pointless.

Your wish is my command.

[Riouken]

Ok then. Fine. No one wants elections? That's fiar enough.

But REPLACE GAV WITH ANOTHER MOD.


That is SURELY a valid statement and is CLEAR that it should be done.


There are others who will do his job more efficient than he has and not make it look like a joke.

[Tryxx]

And that's that. I'm sorry if you didn't get everything you liked in, but this is done.

[ToolBox]

Your wish is my command.

Don't ban me...

[ikikdababy]

Look, you rickety bunch of malcontents, if you think you actually have a case against this gav fellow, the only thing you can do is document your claims and take it to Jim.

Starting threads with the express intent of bad-mouthing Gav and patting yourselves on the backs accomplishes nothing.

If you want an objective opinion, you are going to have to find some pretty grievous wrongdoing for Jim to even think about replacing Gav, so if you don't have that, it's probably time to sit on this issue.

[Wintermute]

I know this wasn't the topic of this thread but I am seriously getting pissed off with people saying I'm never around, I never do anything.

In the last two days I've been at my computer MORE THAN TWELVE HOURS A DAY and for every minute of that I've had at least three MX windows open. On weekdays I do have work to be doing, so I can't be on constantly, but I am on for SEVERAL hours.

Recently I have PERSONALLY stopped TWO major spam attacks on the bass forum, and one on the Drum forum as well as doing as much routine, day to day stuff as either of the other two mods.

I don't know where the **** you're getting the idea that I do nothing from, but if you WANT me to stop, if you WANT spam attacks, just say the ****ing word.

Nothing against either Gav or Justin, but I am by FAR the most active mod here. I have been doing this for well over a year now, and I know what I am doing.

Just because I don't post in the casual as much as Tryxx does not mean I'm not here.

Just because I tend not to post in threads I close, and that I un-bump bumped threads instead of closing them, delete spam threads and spammers so you never even see them, does not mean I don't do anything.

[bottlerocket]

*sigh* You guys don't get it.

I'm not a spammer, I'm all for community. Sade, you spam, as shown by Almightypancake's post. Riouken, you spam, too...that whole "JOKE" thing...what the heck was that? Alex and I were on top of that, we just knew it would get old fast and you'd stop soon enough...there was no need to take action. We proved right...be thankful we didn't ban you two (Riouken and Dubyajoe).

How dare you say Alex is inactive...he is constantly on MX, taking care of spam and making sure the forums run smoothly...in the last few days, thechad has attacked THIS VERY FORUM with massive amounts of spam, and Alex tirelessly cleaned it all up. The fact that you didn't notice shows that Alex not only did it quickly (quicker than you would have thought imaginable), but got every last bit of it, so I will defend Alex with all my strength...he's one of the best mods on this board, and if you think otherwise, you are clearly mistaken.

As for me: You have NO IDEA how difficult it is to be a mod...there's judgement calls constantly. A lot of the work I do goes unnnoticed, i.e., deleting spam posts, threads, etc. Along with this, I'm a student and have a life. Despite this, I am still able to make this place as high on my priority list as possible...it pisses me off you constantly whine about me not doing anything but I do all kinds of "behind the scenes" work to keep this place running smoothly. Show me an example where I was a HORRIBLE MOD who deserves to be de-modded? If you show me an example and DoubleBassJim sees fit to de-mod me, then I'll leave. Until you show me something I have done as a mod that made this place worse, and DBJ sees that and sees fit to de-mod me, I'm not going anywhere.

And another thing, I DON'T SPAM. A spam is completely off topic. Sure, at times I post random facts, like this:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10232539&postcount=10

...but I never post spam to the degree of Sade (again referring to Almightypancake's post).

It really annoys me you guys say I'm a crappy mod and say I'm either a nazi or don't do enough. News flash: this place isn't The Pit. There's no need to mass close threads and things of that nature. It's very, very laid back here (if you only knew how lucky you had it...try to post the way you do here in other forums and be prepared to get flamed/threads locked/banned), and the users, with the exception of a few, are very mild mannered and know how to keep the "chaos" of this forum in check. When I DO close a thread, that at first I was keeping an eye on but then turned to spam, I have Riouken and Sade, here, shouting battle cries that I be de-modded. :rolleyes:

You really have no idea what it's like...

:thumb:

-Gav

EDIT: Thread re-opened...don't know who closed it, but I figured I deserved something to say, since this thread is pretty much about me.

[the101er]

I see nothing wrong with any of the present mods. Maybe yeah, Sade would make a good next mod, but I can't see any of them fautling at the moment

/my opinion

[Tryxx]

Gav... you don't have to re-open it to post. :p

[Riouken]

*sigh* You guys don't get it.

I'm not a spammer, I'm all for community. Sade, you spam, as shown by Almightypancake's post. Riouken, you spam, too...that whole "JOKE" thing...what the heck was that? Alex and I were on top of that, we just knew it would get old fast and you'd stop soon enough...there was no need to take action. We proved right...be thankful we didn't ban you two (Riouken and Dubyajoe).

How dare you say Alex is inactive...he is constantly on MX, taking care of spam and making sure the forums run smoothly...in the last few days, thechad has attacked THIS VERY FORUM with massive amounts of spam, and Alex tirelessly cleaned it all up. The fact that you didn't notice shows that Alex not only did it quickly (quicker than you would have thought imaginable), but got every last bit of it, so I will defend Alex with all my strength...he's one of the best mods on this board, and if you think otherwise, you are clearly mistaken.

As for me: You have NO IDEA how difficult it is to be a mod...there's judgement calls constantly. A lot of the work I do goes unnnoticed, i.e., deleting spam posts, threads, etc. Along with this, I'm a student and have a life. Despite this, I am still able to make this place as high on my priority list as possible...it pisses me off you constantly whine about me not doing anything but I do all kinds of "behind the scenes" work to keep this place running smoothly. Show me an example where I was a HORRIBLE MOD who deserves to be de-modded? If you show me an example and DoubleBassJim sees fit to de-mod me, then I'll leave. Until you show me something I have done as a mod that made this place worse, and DBJ sees that and sees fit to de-mod me, I'm not going anywhere.

And another thing, I DON'T SPAM. A spam is completely off topic. Sure, at times I post random facts, like this:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10232539&postcount=10

...but I never post spam to the degree of Sade (again referring to Almightypancake's post).

It really annoys me you guys say I'm a crappy mod and say I'm either a nazi or don't do enough. News flash: this place isn't The Pit. There's no need to mass close threads and things of that nature. It's very, very laid back here (if you only knew how lucky you had it...try to post the way you do here in other forums and be prepared to get flamed/threads locked/banned), and the users, with the exception of a few, are very mild mannered and know how to keep the "chaos" of this forum in check. When I DO close a thread, that at first I was keeping an eye on but then turned to spam, I have Riouken and Sade, here, shouting battle cries that I be de-modded. :rolleyes:

You really have no idea what it's like...

:thumb:

-Gav

EDIT: Thread re-opened...don't know who closed it, but I figured I deserved something to say, since this thread is pretty much about me.
I didn't read your whole post because I don't have much time on my hands but thanks for your reply. I spam.... but I'm nto a moderator setting an example am I?


It's not that you are a bad guy, or arrogant with a bad attitude or anything. It's just, I reckon there are other people who could do your job better. I think me asking you to be de-modded may have been premature. Apperantly you do a lot of other work in the Pit and stuff.

With that in mind, I suggest we have a new mod for the bass forum, but you keep your position.

This issuewas essentially settled. Keep your position ut a get new bass mod, more active and doesn't have to control the pit.


As I say, this was never meant to be or cause an atttack against you, it was simply for the better of the forum, which I assumed you would have wanted.


P.S. Though I realise how good of a mod Wintermute is, he seemed to always have had this cocky attitude with me. Which in my opinion, isn't great for a mod. But, this issue wasn't really emant to be with Alex, it was mainly with th idea fo a new bass moderator.

[skingle]

I think sade needs to build the trust to be a mod.

He was an awful poster IMO before he got banned but now he seems like quite a nice guy.

However whats to say he is modded and then a month later he turns back to what he was, that could be bad.

[Riouken]

I think sade needs to build the trust to be a mod.

He was an awful poster IMO before he got banned but now he seems like quite a nice guy.

However whats to say he is modded and then a month later he turns back to what he was, that could be bad.
I think that's why he will never be modded.

[skingle]

I don't know, maybe if he is still as helpful as he is now, in a years time then i wouldn't have a problem with him being a mod.

[Riouken]

Guys, I no longer care wh ois modded, or is de-odded, or who is replaced!! It really won't efffec t the forum that much. I think I was just one of those weird moods lastnight.

However, I still propose that the basss forum has a new mod. Tryxx has been working a lot laely and appernatly there is some issue with time zones which I'm not aware of.

[Riouken]

I know this wasn't the topic of this thread but I am seriously getting pissed off with people saying I'm never around, I never do anything.

In the last two days I've been at my computer MORE THAN TWELVE HOURS A DAY and for every minute of that I've had at least three MX windows open. On weekdays I do have work to be doing, so I can't be on constantly, but I am on for SEVERAL hours.

Recently I have PERSONALLY stopped TWO major spam attacks on the bass forum, and one on the Drum forum as well as doing as much routine, day to day stuff as either of the other two mods.

I don't know where the **** you're getting the idea that I do nothing from, but if you WANT me to stop, if you WANT spam attacks, just say the ****ing word.

Nothing against either Gav or Justin, but I am by FAR the most active mod here. I have been doing this for well over a year now, and I know what I am doing.

Just because I don't post in the casual as much as Tryxx does not mean I'm not here.

Just because I tend not to post in threads I close, and that I un-bump bumped threads instead of closing them, delete spam threads and spammers so you never even see them, does not mean I don't do anything.
Alex, I don't know if I said you were unactive or not? If I did I apologise because I was quite aware you were active.

Who was it that said you didn't do anything btw, I can't remember. I don't know why I would have said it if I had.


I've spoken to you on msn before when you are dealing with the forrum having issues. Again, my nly problem with you was that you seemed to have a horrible attitude with me to begin with, that was all. and I didn't think that suited well for a moderator. Clearly, you are productive and I'm not mentioning naythign about you being de-modded or replaced or whatever. I think it's simply an issue between me and you, that was all.

[PainKiller8191]

i think gav is a great member of the forum but not the best choice as a mod...from what i saw and was shown to me....

i do think we need a different mod (who will be online more)
but i don't believe sade is the best choice (no offense at all)

[Riouken]

i think gav is a great member of the forum but not the best choice as a mod...from what i saw and was shown to me....

i do think we need a different mod (who will be online more)
but i don't believe sade is the best choice (no offense at all)
Yeah. As I've said, I don't care who is modded, as long as he/she is active and sensible.

[Sade]

*sigh* You guys don't get it.

I'm not a spammer, I'm all for community. Sade, you spam, as shown by Almightypancake's post. Riouken, you spam, too...that whole "JOKE" thing...what the heck was that? Alex and I were on top of that, we just knew it would get old fast and you'd stop soon enough...there was no need to take action. We proved right...be thankful we didn't ban you two (Riouken and Dubyajoe).

How dare you say Alex is inactive...he is constantly on MX, taking care of spam and making sure the forums run smoothly...in the last few days, thechad has attacked THIS VERY FORUM with massive amounts of spam, and Alex tirelessly cleaned it all up. The fact that you didn't notice shows that Alex not only did it quickly (quicker than you would have thought imaginable), but got every last bit of it, so I will defend Alex with all my strength...he's one of the best mods on this board, and if you think otherwise, you are clearly mistaken.

As for me: You have NO IDEA how difficult it is to be a mod...there's judgement calls constantly. A lot of the work I do goes unnnoticed, i.e., deleting spam posts, threads, etc. Along with this, I'm a student and have a life. Despite this, I am still able to make this place as high on my priority list as possible...it pisses me off you constantly whine about me not doing anything but I do all kinds of "behind the scenes" work to keep this place running smoothly. Show me an example where I was a HORRIBLE MOD who deserves to be de-modded? If you show me an example and DoubleBassJim sees fit to de-mod me, then I'll leave. Until you show me something I have done as a mod that made this place worse, and DBJ sees that and sees fit to de-mod me, I'm not going anywhere.

And another thing, I DON'T SPAM. A spam is completely off topic. Sure, at times I post random facts, like this:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10232539&postcount=10

...but I never post spam to the degree of Sade (again referring to Almightypancake's post).

It really annoys me you guys say I'm a crappy mod and say I'm either a nazi or don't do enough. News flash: this place isn't The Pit. There's no need to mass close threads and things of that nature. It's very, very laid back here (if you only knew how lucky you had it...try to post the way you do here in other forums and be prepared to get flamed/threads locked/banned), and the users, with the exception of a few, are very mild mannered and know how to keep the "chaos" of this forum in check. When I DO close a thread, that at first I was keeping an eye on but then turned to spam, I have Riouken and Sade, here, shouting battle cries that I be de-modded. :rolleyes:

You really have no idea what it's like...

:thumb:

-Gav

EDIT: Thread re-opened...don't know who closed it, but I figured I deserved something to say, since this thread is pretty much about me.

Self-analysis really never works too well.

Neither does defending yourself.



I want somebody in here to defend what Gav just said that ISN'T part of the little "mod buddy buddy club."

This thread has nothing to do with WM. He's fine, stop bringing him up.

[kilian]

i think gav is a great member of the forum but not the best choice as a mod...from what i saw and was shown to me....

i do think we need a different mod (who will be online more)
He does his job! Just perfectly. I don't see a problem with him.. I modded a forum like this (the bass section) for quite some time, so I know what I say right now.

I don't see problems too often, do you guys/girls? Do you want to be on a leash?


And doing things for the 'community'.. Do it! If they don't listen to you now, there are two options: - they think you're a jerk, - they don't like the idea. That won't change when you're a mod. ;)

(Besides from gay groupielove)

[NavyBass]

I would have appreciated being a mod.:upset:

[Sade]

He does his job! Just perfectly. I don't see a problem with him.. I modded a forum like this (the bass section) for quite some time, so I know what I say right now.

I don't see problems too often, do you guys/girls? Do you want to be on a leash?


And doing things for the 'community'.. Do it! If they don't listen to you now, there are two options: - they think you're a jerk, - they don't like the idea. That won't change when you're a mod. ;)

(Besides from gay groupielove)

I don't want a mod for more rules, I want a mod for less rules. We have no problems here, but...it's just a matter of principle.

[kilian]

I want somebody in here to defend what Gav just said that ISN'T part of the little "mod buddy buddy club."

So who is that? Aren't there two camps: "sadetc" and "mod buddy buddy club"

¬_¬

[kilian]

I would have appreciated being a mod.:upset:
It would be an honor :p


And who says you can come back? You've got some glorious things to show us? :rolleyes:

[Wintermute]

I would have appreciated being a mod.:upset:

You have been considered actually, but we thought what with going away for months on ends on military tours it wouldn't really be practical, and that you wouldn't have too much time on your hands anyway. And didn't you say recently that you were leaving?

We'll certainly bear you in mind in the future if that's not the case. :thumb:

Oh and Gav - Thread Options > Edit Thread. There's a Log in there that'll tell you who's opened, closed or whatever.

P.S. Though I realise how good of a mod Wintermute is, he seemed to always have had this cocky attitude with me. Which in my opinion, isn't great for a mod. But, this issue wasn't really emant to be with Alex, it was mainly with th idea fo a new bass moderator.

That's fair enough - to be honest I remember coming away from those chats with a less than glowing opinion of you, too. Maybe it's just a personality clash, maybe we were just having bad days. Ah well. :)

[Sade]

So who is that? Aren't there two camps: "sadetc" and "mod buddy buddy club"

¬_¬

Umm...wtf?

[nisakss]

Self-analysis really never works too well.

Neither does defending yourself.



I want somebody in here to defend what Gav just said that ISN'T part of the little "mod buddy buddy club."

This thread has nothing to do with WM. He's fine, stop bringing him up.

I stand for Gav. IMO,he's been a very good mod and I've seen him in action quite a lot. As a matter of fact a couple of my posts have been deleted by him, and rightfuly so.

The fact that he doesn't "change his voice" or the way he acts doesn't mean he is not a good mod....why would he change his behaviour just because he got modded? that ridiculous, he got choosen to be a mod precisely because however chooses mods thought that he would be a good candidate, due to his way of acting.

The forum is alright I think, and I don't see the need to have a new mod.....apart from satisfying personal aspirations of some mx'ers to reach such position.

[Tryxx]

Alex, Gav, would you two please log on to some messaging system.

[Sade]

I stand for Gav. IMO,he's been a very good mod and I've seen him in action quite a lot. As a matter of fact a couple of my posts have been deleted by him, and rightfuly so.

The fact that he doesn't "change his voice" or the way he acts doesn't mean he is not a good mod....why would he change his behaviour just because he got modded? that ridiculous, he got choosen to be a mod precisely because however chooses mods thought that he would be a good candidate, due to his way of acting.

The forum is alright I think, and I don't see the need to have a new mod.....apart from satisfying personal aspirations of some mx'ers to reach such position.

If you're referring to me in your closing statement, let me lift you of your ignorance.

I have no desire to be a moderator. The only reason I would like the posistion is so I could talk to mods, on a mod level. The mod forum, etc. That is purely the only reason. Nothing else, has nothing to do with forum problems/etc.

But I'll say again: I do not want the mod position. I only want it in theory, as to...discuss with other mods.

[kilian]

Umm...wtf?

I want somebody in here to defend what Gav just said that ISN'T part of the little "mod buddy buddy club."

-----

So who is that? Aren't there two camps: "sadetc" and "mod buddy buddy club"

-----

Tell us? You want somebody to defend Gav who isn't part of the "mod buddy buddy club".. So who is that in your eyes?

[Naveed Afzal]

i think everyone knows where i stand on the Gav issue including Gav,
I love to hate sade, i got respect for him, but if you take Gav Off, and Put Sade on it'll be unbalanced again thus another problem will start, i say just add Sade for a bit see how it all goes.

The Only thing im worried about is... Gavs Cronies, now i know Gavs not going to tell his Cronies to Make it Rough for sade, he's not like that, obviously if part of peoples problem with him is he's to nice.

The Forumites Love Gav, hell i love Gav he's cool, but some people Like him a bit to much(and im not talking about LEftshoe) Gavs got cronies and he knows he does, i just dont think he cares to much, Hell i got a Cronie, his name is Radiobass (jp).

[Noushi]

I've never really bothered to post in these threads (so and so for mod, omg so and so is a horrible mod etc) because they're generally quite pointless.

But I will say this in defense of all the mods. The main job that they have is ensuring the forum runs well. That is to say deleting problem threads and banning problem users. You know the mods are doing a good job when it seems like they don't do anything at all. The bass forum is especially lucky in that we seem to generate less problem users. Also, before you whine about how the forum should be democratic etc consider that this thread exists. You have a voice, you're entitled to be heard, but you're not a voting member of the community.

As to the "spam" issue, I put it forward that there isn't a long term member who hasn't spammed. I don't care if you're a mod, I don't care if you're the most intellectual person the world has ever seen. Spam is like poop. Everybody does it, and even your own stinks.

Anyway, quick summary: Threads like this (with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism) good. Mods, also good. Work with it.

[NavyBass]

i say just add Sade for a bit see how it all goes.



If that were to happen, I definately wouldn't come back here.:lol:

Seriously, For someone to be a Mod "just to talk to the other Mods on the Mod forum" is not a good enough reason to make someone a Mod.

[skingle]

I agree, for someone to be a mod they have to enjoy every aspect of it.

[cAPS_lOCK]

I don't know about you, but i LOVE those threads. :) They've got everything. Intriguing, pacts, arguments, you name it. Beats any other reality show.

Seriously, I don't care who is mod as long as everything runs reasonably well. And presently it does. Thus, there's no need to change the current lineup. I couldn't care less if mod spam, as long as that's not ALL they do. :)

Just my 2 öre.

[Fatback]

My opinion may have very little weight but here it is:
I got into an altercation with a kid the other day. I merely made a joke based upon him asking for advice on which four string(specifically) bass to buy and then saying he was leaning towards two in particular...one a five-string.
He came unglued and started flaming me. I retaliated with humor which is what I do.
"Gav" entered the thread and threatened me with banning. I think that it is a cinch that he didn't read the entire exchange...just jumped up and blamed me. I find later that both the other poster involved AND the mighty "Gav" are 17 year old boys. I'm a 52 year old bassist/vocalist who is now semi-retired after 40 years of gigging that took me all over the world.
There is the slight chance that I could have some advice to offer here.
Maybe even more than a 17 year old "mod".
Bottom line is that WHOEVER is a mod should try to do a fair and unbiased job at it. Sometimes the "noob" is in the right....and the young veteran just needs to take a Midol and stop PMSing.

[peeted]

we dont need another mod or a replacement. all the mods do a good job.

[peeted]

If you're referring to me in your closing statement, let me lift you of your ignorance.

I have no desire to be a moderator. The only reason I would like the posistion is so I could talk to mods, on a mod level. The mod forum, etc. That is purely the only reason. Nothing else, has nothing to do with forum problems/etc.

But I'll say again: I do not want the mod position. I only want it in theory, as to...discuss with other mods.
if you dont want to be mod then why did you make all those alternative usernames and keep useing them to promote yourself as a mod?

[Tryxx]

My opinion may have very little weight but here it is:
I got into an altercation with a kid the other day. I merely made a joke based upon him asking for advice on which four string(specifically) bass to buy and then saying he was leaning towards two in particular...one a five-string.
He came unglued and started flaming me. I retaliated with humor which is what I do.
"Gav" entered the thread and threatened me with banning. I think that it is a cinch that he didn't read the entire exchange...just jumped up and blamed me. I find later that both the other poster involved AND the mighty "Gav" are 17 year old boys. I'm a 52 year old bassist/vocalist who is now semi-retired after 40 years of gigging that took me all over the world.
There is the slight chance that I could have some advice to offer here.
Maybe even more than a 17 year old "mod".
Bottom line is that WHOEVER is a mod should try to do a fair and unbiased job at it. Sometimes the "noob" is in the right....and the young veteran just needs to take a Midol and stop PMSing.

He "threatened" you because you're new around here and might have not known the rules. Both of you would have received the same punishment had it continued, there was no bias. I'm sorry if there was confusion there.

[Fatback]

I had no intention of continuing it. It turned out to be academic anyway since as soon as other board members came to my defense, he closed the thread.
I am not very likely to start or continue a flame war. My second childhood hasn't kicked in to that degree just yet.

[Tryxx]

I closed the thread at the thread starters request, actually. And we welcome you to the community, this and that incidence is not normally how this forum is. I promise. :lol:

[Esp Griffyn]

I dont think Gav should have been Mod. I dont think he has the nessacary qualities to be a good mod. No offense to the guy, but he needs to be removed and someone better put in his place.

[Jamie]

I was going to go on a big rant about this whole thing, but I'm not going to waste my time and energy on yous. If you don't like it, tough sh*t. Go start your own forum.


Just drop it everyone. Please.

[Tryxx]

Gav is not going to be de-modded.

[NavyBass]

My opinion may have very little weight but here it is:
I got into an altercation with a kid the other day. I merely made a joke based upon him asking for advice on which four string(specifically) bass to buy and then saying he was leaning towards two in particular...one a five-string.
He came unglued and started flaming me. I retaliated with humor which is what I do.
"Gav" entered the thread and threatened me with banning. I think that it is a cinch that he didn't read the entire exchange...just jumped up and blamed me. I find later that both the other poster involved AND the mighty "Gav" are 17 year old boys. I'm a 52 year old bassist/vocalist who is now semi-retired after 40 years of gigging that took me all over the world.
There is the slight chance that I could have some advice to offer here.
Maybe even more than a 17 year old "mod".
Bottom line is that WHOEVER is a mod should try to do a fair and unbiased job at it. Sometimes the "noob" is in the right....and the young veteran just needs to take a Midol and stop PMSing.



I'm sort of in the same "boat" as you. I've never got threatened with being banned. Because of the forum's average age, most of the mods are younger than 25. I think there should be representation from an older age group here. I don't forsee that happening in the near future though.

I do feel that the mods do a good job here. There are, however, things that could be better.

I guess, at one time I was considered for a position as a Mod, but was dis-counted because I might not be there all the time because of my job or family or whatever. Yes, it's true that I did go on deployment for a while, but there is also more than one Mod on the forum. The others could have held it down in my short absence. That is one, of many, reasons for having multiple mods. Also, while I was considered, no one actually asked me how I fealt about it or if I thought I would be able to be there for it.

[Tryxx]

This forum and site was started by a college Student. That might put some perspective there.

EDIT: I don't mean anything by that JP. I'm just saying, EVERYONE is rather young in comparison to you. And you would have been contacted if they thought you were around. It's nothing against you at all. :thumb:

>_>
<_<
I repped you the other day because you're a good poster.

[Wintermute]

It's true - the income from mxtabs pays for musicianforums.com (which runs at a loss) and also for mx's college fees. Biology/History joint major, if I remember rightly. :)

[morrissey]

I've never really bothered to post in these threads (so and so for mod, omg so and so is a horrible mod etc) because they're generally quite pointless.

But I will say this in defense of all the mods. The main job that they have is ensuring the forum runs well. That is to say deleting problem threads and banning problem users. You know the mods are doing a good job when it seems like they don't do anything at all. The bass forum is especially lucky in that we seem to generate less problem users. Also, before you whine about how the forum should be democratic etc consider that this thread exists. You have a voice, you're entitled to be heard, but you're not a voting member of the community.

As to the "spam" issue, I put it forward that there isn't a long term member who hasn't spammed. I don't care if you're a mod, I don't care if you're the most intellectual person the world has ever seen. Spam is like poop. Everybody does it, and even your own stinks.

Anyway, quick summary: Threads like this (with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism) good. Mods, also good. Work with it.

This guy knows what he's talking about. :)

[NavyBass]

This forum and site was started by a college Student. That might put some perspective there.

What does that have to do with anything? It's a public forum, any age group could be on it. It's not "MX for college students or below", it's just plain MX.

Not picking on you tryxx, just observations.

One thing I did notice as of late. Before I say it, I want to say this is not intended to pick on Gav, it's just an observation.

Since Gav has been a mod there have been so many threads about Mods. There hasn't this many threads (if any) before that point.

[Tryxx]

What does that have to do with anything? It's a public forum, any age group could be on it. It's not "MX for college students or below", it's just plain MX.

One thing I did notice as of late. Before I say it, I want to say this is not intended to pick on Gav, it's just an observation.

Since Gav has been a mod there have been so many threads about Mods. There hasn't this many threads (if any) before that point.

I'm sorry, I edited my post, I knew that came off harsh.

[Fatback]

What does that have to do with anything? It's a public forum, any age group could be on it. It's not "MX for college students or below", it's just plain MX.


Agreed. Experience as a liability??

For what it's worth, from my (admitted) short time here and reading a LOT of posts, I think JP is the best candidate for a mod position I have ever seen. He is articulate, obviously bright and THE MAN BUILDS BASSES.

I am, of course, best candidate for hip replacement surgery.

[NavyBass]

Agreed. Experience as a liability??

For what it's worth, from my (admitted) short time here and reading a LOT of posts, I think JP is the best candidate for a mod position I have ever seen. He is articulate, obviously bright and THE MAN BUILDS BASSES.

I am, of course, best candidate for hip replacement surgery.

Thank you, but building basses doesn't make me a good candidate for being a mod.:lol:

[kilian]

Thank you, but building basses doesn't make me a good candidate for being a mod.:lol:
I think it was mainly the fact that you were gone on such a long cruise. Which would be a pity.

If they search for a new mod and we can vote; you will have my vote, if you promise to get back :thumb:
Which, I believe, you already are.

[Naveed Afzal]

JP, ive modded different forums before, im actually a supermod at one, and in my experience, there has to be a balance or people will complain ALOT, You Need An Asshole, a Nice Guy and someone in the middle to lean either way on topics, Ive been the Asshole, i usually am.

I Think Some People Dont Care Gav is a Mod, they just anna be "in" and are Jealous he is a MOd and got picked over who ever else.

[FREAKofNATURE]

There is no need for a new mod. Gav has done nothing wrong to make be de-modded or even for a new mod to be appointed. There hasn't been too much going on that needed a mod on this forum and when there is something Tryxx or WinterMute handle it very quickly and efficiently. Now I haven't seen Gav post a lot recently, but just because he isn't posting in threads doesn't mean he isn't doing anything.

[Fatback]

I think it was mainly the fact that you were gone on such a long cruise. Which would be a pity.

If they search for a new mod and we can vote; you will have my vote, if you promise to get back :thumb:
Which, I believe, you already are.
I also think that it is certainly no liability for a guy to have extensive knowledge about the subject matter on the forum he is moderating.

[SixnStones]

I think it's a good point that this issue only came up once gav was modded.

Gav is barely ever online, and he does spam. Good bloke =/= good mod. He's the only mod I've ever been disappointed in, so we don't really need an electoral system (and just remember, Bush was elected, twice).

I'd just say de-mod gav and pick another one as if nothing had happened, as if you just needed a new mod.

Just because he hasn't done anything wrong isn't an excuse, being a mod is proactive business

[Tryxx]

JP, ive modded different forums before, im actually a supermod at one, and in my experience, there has to be a balance or people will complain ALOT, You Need An spatula, a Nice Guy and someone in the middle to lean either way on topics, Ive been the spatula, i usually am.

I Think Some People Dont Care Gav is a Mod, they just anna be "in" and are Jealous he is a MOd and got picked over who ever else.

Now tell us, which are which? :)

[skingle]

I think it's a good point that this issue only came up once gav was modded.

Gav is barely ever online, and he does spam. Good bloke =/= good mod. He's the only mod I've ever been disappointed in, so we don't really need an electoral system (and just remember, Bush was elected, twice).

I'd just say de-mod gav and pick another one as if nothing had happened, as if you just needed a new mod.

Just because he hasn't done anything wrong isn't an excuse, being a mod is proactive business

Gav won't be de-modded, not only has he done nothing wrong, but i (and quite a few others by the looks of this thread) think that Gav is doing a fine job.

[cAPS_lOCK]

Keep Gav. He does his job better than I ever could, anyway. :lol:

Who cares if he spams? Almost everyone do, from time to time (except perhaps Alex, but he's a demigod, so nevermind him).

[janyeno]

He was obviously picked to be mod because someone liked the guys posting style... so why should he change?

Nobody is OBLIGATED to custom tailor the forum around any of our desires... We don't pay anything to come here... This forum doesn't HAVE to exist...

bleh ... i don't know...

[skingle]

I think that the fact that gav spams (or as i see it mingles with people less important in the forums) make him a less intimidating guy to talk to.

[Naveed Afzal]

Now tell us, which are which? :)

you are the asshole of course...

Naveed Cast Banish on Tryxx

[Linkinbassist]

We need a mod that's online, and willing to listen to the forum for once. That's what we need.

*stick both arms up*

Sade, i'll side with you on this one...We need a man who can work for the people. A man of labourist thought, if you will...I would love to mod, but i have a feeling if push came to shove, sade would A) beat me to the post and B) probably be a better mod in the long run...

[apacherosepeacock]

i think gav is a great member of the forum but not the best choice as a mod...from what i saw and was shown to me....

i do think we need a different mod (who will be online more)
but i don't believe sade is the best choice (no offense at all)

this is the thing i don't understand how you can know how much people are online.... i.e. wintermute is from the uk (i think?!) and so isn't going to be on at a time when most people are probably active, its a time difference thing and im sure iv seen this before.

and similarly how can you tell how much work a mod does on here... or even how much anyone does? just because someone doesn't have thousands of posts in a short space of time doesn't mean there not active.

*stick both arms up*

Sade, i'll side with you on this one...We need a man who can work for the people. A man of labourist thought, if you will...I would love to mod, but i have a feeling if push came to shove, sade would A) beat me to the post and B) probably be a better mod in the long run...

and its an internet forum.... 1 - theres nothing that bad about the bass froum anyway, its pretty good. 2 - a man who can work for the people? going a bit far no? this isnt a ****in election

[naut]

****ing thespians.

[NavyBass]

Who closed the Issues with mods thread and why.

I think this is one of the issues that people are griping about. The thread was closed, re-opened, then closed again. Why? There was no reason to close it. It was a perfectly legal thread.

Another thing people may have been griping about is when suggestions are made for the forum, very rarely are they acted upon. I'm not talking about the Gav thing. As a matter of fact, let's not even mention any more of that in this thread.

I know that I've made some suggestions and they have gone overlooked except by other forum members that can't act upon them. I also know the same thing happened to other forum members also.

I was talking to another forum member via IM and told him a few ideas I had for the forum, but also said that I probably wouldn't suggest them because of the the reason mentioned above.

There's alot more I would like to say, but I'm going to leave it at that because I might say something I could regret later.

[thelowsoundofbass]

i agree with JP and also that he shoudl be a mod. i have nothing against gav, hes one of the cooler mxers, but hes just not cut out to be a mod. :upset: wants modship :upset:

lowsound

[Tryxx]

I closed it last night, it was a bit of a heated discussion and it was as productive as it was going to get. Gav re-opened it because he didn't get to state his side of things. I closed it again because I'm not sure of the mods opinions. Most likely there will not be a new mod until something else is stated, we don't want to go on entertaining the idea. Basically, we're waiting confirmation of anything that MAY be done. We listen, really, I promise.

I'll merge open the thread again and merge this one with it.

[Wintermute]

Hmm. My post got lost in the thread merge. :lol:

Here it is again.

I know that I've made some suggestions and they have gone overlooked except by other forum members that can't act upon them. I also know the same thing happened to other forum members also.

I was talking to another forum member via IM and told him a few ideas I had for the forum, but also said that I probably wouldn't suggest them because of the the reason mentioned above.

I'm interested - lets hear them.

[bottlerocket]

I'm never on? Are you kidding?

I may not post, but I am certainly on this forum as much as possible, sixnstones...as I said, "behind the scenes."

Tryxx and Wintermute: As soon as I get home, I'm IMing you...stay on AIM.

:thumb:

-Gav

[Tryxx]

Will do.

One thing that kind of pisses me off is that before I was even a mod, I MADE a suggestions thread. No one took it seriously.

EDIT: For reference. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=404214

[FREAKofNATURE]

Why do so many people want to become a mod? Wow, you get to delete posts or lock threads, that's so fun. Can't you just be content about even being able to post on this forum without having to pay? Anyways, there really isn't much wrong with the forum that needs to be corrected. Every once and a while there is a post that is out of line and should get deleted, or a spam attack that needs to be taken care of, but that is about it. The mods that we have now are doing a great job and don't really need any help.

[IPolkaLikeThis!]

I'm sorry, but you have no right to make this forum a republic or a democracy. You could only kindly request that, which I guess you are doing.

Civil disobedience is still disobedience (...anyone name this reference?)

although it might have already been said, it is maddox


and gav is cool, but he wouldnt have been my first choice. edge would be up there, and tryxx was made a mod, and thats good.

[AlmightyPancake]

I think it's a good point that this issue only came up once gav was modded.

Gav is barely ever online, and he does spam. Good bloke =/= good mod. He's the only mod I've ever been disappointed in, so we don't really need an electoral system (and just remember, Bush was elected, twice).

I'd just say de-mod gav and pick another one as if nothing had happened, as if you just needed a new mod.

Just because he hasn't done anything wrong isn't an excuse, being a mod is proactive business
So wait...


we need a mod who is online, has good relationships with the people on mx, is well liked by people, who knows how to enjoy his time on the forum, and yet..


doesn't post in the casual, doesn't make jokes, deletes every single piece of spam ever, spend 24 hours a day on MX, and has no other obligations?

That doesn't make sense.

[trumpeter]

meh gav isn't doing horrendous like everyone is saying, i agree that, yes, he could do better, but c'mon the kid is probably swaped with schoolwork (hell the kid is insanely smart) lets give him a little leeway...

[SixnStones]

Ah screw it, in all honestly I don't really give a ****. Nothing's going wrong, and if Gav says he's on all the time then fair enough, I'll watch from now on and won't comment.

I love you all MX, God bless you, every one. ;)

I say we get rid of non-mod members, make everyone a mod, or a super-mod. Dibs on the spatula

[Jim Hull]

I’m a little confused why people are getting annoyed. Just because you are not a mod does not mean you can’t make this forum better. Mods can only sticky, close, delete, and sm can ban. That’s it. I can’t see how that makes them any better to implement suggestions. You have an idea how to make it better... DO IT. Comps, games etc. DO IT. If it is something that requires a sticky, ask a mod. We don’t need mods who "listen to the people"?? Mods are there to make sure posts abide by forum guidelines. That’s it. They are not the heads of the forum; they do not decide what members post. They govern. Rules need changing? If enough mods agree, it will be done. BTW, I’m not putting down the mods importance here.

I just feel that people who want things to be better, who have ideas, should stop complaining, and do it.

[SixnStones]

So wait...


we need a mod who is online, has good relationships with the people on mx, is well liked by people, who knows how to enjoy his time on the forum, and yet..


doesn't post in the casual, doesn't make jokes, deletes every single piece of spam ever, spend 24 hours a day on MX, and has no other obligations?

That doesn't make sense.

See my next post, but [a] the point was he wasn't online, and this whole thread seems to suggest he doesn't have that good relationships.

But I definitely see your point, I haven't been disappointed with the overall forum, so I suppose together the mods are kicking *** as usual. If I were Gav I'd post a bit more, just to show people he's there.

Just my 2¢, I've had a load of halloween candy and have calmed down since that harsher post.

Viv le wheel

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:thumb:

EDIT: I thought a-s-s wasn't filtered?

[bottlerocket]

Why do so many people want to become a mod? Wow, you get to delete posts or lock threads, that's so fun. Can't you just be content about even being able to post on this forum without having to pay? Anyways, there really isn't much wrong with the forum that needs to be corrected. Every once and a while there is a post that is out of line and should get deleted, or a spam attack that needs to be taken care of, but that is about it. The mods that we have now are doing a great job and don't really need any help.

Firstly, thank you. :)

Secondly, being a mod is NOT fun, just like you said...it makes MX a responsibility. You can't think of things like you used to. Everything you do will have a larger effect than normal because people take you way more seriously. I only do it because I've always wanted to help this place as much as I can.

:thumb:

-Gav

[bottlerocket]

I think that the fact that gav spams (or as i see it mingles with people less important in the forums) make him a less intimidating guy to talk to.

Finally...someone gets my posting style. I don't "spam," I have conversations with you guys so we can make this place a better community. Sheesh! Apparently that makes me a bad mod.

:thumb:

-Gav

[NavyBass]

I was reading a few of my posts here and want to say something before saying anything else. I'm very sorry for making it sound like I'm hopping on the Mods. That's not my intentions. I don't have any issues with any of you personally.

The thing that alot of people have been implying is that there is a Mod clique going on. There's alot I want to say about that statement, but I don't know where to begin, nor do I want to offend any one.

I'll start by saying, what I mean by a "Mod Clique" is people have been made Mods out of the blue. It's like the existing mods are saying "We need a new mod, let's get XXXX" It might not be that way, but it looks like it is. Face it, Tryxx (nothing against you), one day I was on the forum, went to bed, the next day you were a Mod. Almost the same way with Gav.

A new mod SHOULD be a forum discussion. The Forum is there for the general public, and the Mods are basically there to keep order. The general public SHOULD have a say on which people are mods.

It shouldn't be based on the friendship factor.

I'll post more on this in a bit.



You all probably noticed that I've been on pretty regularly again. I was able to move things around to make time, plus I won't be going on a cruise again for 5 years. It looks like I will be able to spend time on here again.

[trumpeter]

GAV DOUBLE POST! agh noob!

<3333

[trumpeter]

I was reading a few of my posts here and want to say something before saying anything else. I'm very sorry for making it sound like I'm hopping on the Mods. That's not my intentions. I don't have any issues with any of you personally.

The thing that alot of people have been implying is that there is a Mod clique going on. There's alot I want to say about that statement, but I don't know where to begin, nor do I want to offend any one.

I'll start by saying, what I mean by a "Mod Clique" is people have been made Mods out of the blue. It's like the existing mods are saying "We need a new mod, let's get XXXX" It might not be that way, but it looks like it is. Face it, Tryxx (nothing against you), one day I was on the forum, went to bed, the next day you were a Mod. Almost the same way with Gav.

A new mod SHOULD be a forum discussion. The Forum is there for the general public, and the Mods are basically there to keep order. The general public SHOULD have a say on which people are mods.

It shouldn't be based on the friendship factor.

I'll post more on this in a bit.



You all probably noticed that I've been on pretty regularly again. I was able to move things around to make time, plus I won't be going on a cruise again for 5 years. It looks like I will be able to spend time on here again.


JP, i agree with the discussions, its much better than a vote...i mean votes would get out of hand (someone discussed the idea of voting earlier) but like you say, a mod is going to effect everyone on the forum and whoever it might be should be discussed and such by the people of his/her home forum.

[PaulR]

I'm fairly sure there should be some sort of input by the people...

[trumpeter]

I'm fairly sure there should be some sort of input by the people...

holy crap paul


lets be misfits buddies.

[bottlerocket]

GAV DOUBLE POST! agh noob!

<3333

Heh, I've always posted like that...I don't consider that a double post. I consider posting the same exact thing twice a double post, or saying,

"[post 1]"
"Oh, by the way, [add edit in second post.]"

:p

:thumb:

-Gav

[IPolkaLikeThis!]

mods rule


everyone else
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/imaginaryjoe/243513677_l.jpg

[Tryxx]

I knew I was going to be Jorge's replacement a week before I was ever modded. It was discussed in the mod forum, it was discussed, just not on this level. I assure you that it was well thought out though.

[PaulR]

holy crap paul


lets be misfits buddies.
HAI!

We have almost the same avatar!!

[trumpeter]

HAI!

We have almost the same avatar!!


yeah except mine is *good*

:thumb:

[bottlerocket]

^ Ahem...

:thumb:

-Gav

[NavyBass]

I knew I was going to be Jorge's replacement a week before I was ever modded. It was discussed in the mod forum, it was discussed, just not on this level. I assure you that it was well thought out though.

In the MOD forum. That's exactly what I was saying. It needs to be in THIS forum.

[peeted]

can someone pleese explane the problems with the curent mods and give me examples of how these problems have effected peoples use of mx pleese?

i can see no reason what so ever to doubt the currents mods ability.

[PaulR]

yeah except mine is *good*

:thumb:
Yeah. Stop spamming and take it to the casual.

*sigh*

[peeted]

and the fact is that if the main users of mx got a choice of mod we would end up with someone like sade and lets face it, that would be a disaster.

[Tryxx]

In the MOD forum. That's exactly what I was saying. It needs to be in THIS forum.

I'm not really sure what to tell you. I know exactly what you mean, maybe we can start a suggestions thread as a sticky sometime. It's kind of a what's done is done thing, but we'll do our best to rectify that. We listen, but the final say doesn't always even come down to us. Jim and Jeremy make those decisions.

I like being a mod, I think I do a good job. So far no one has shown any animosity towards me for being a mod, most like it. If there are those who don't like the decision, I'll hear them, sure; but I'm not stepping down anytime soon.

[trumpeter]

and the fact is that if the main users of mx got a choice of mod we would end up with someone like sade and lets face it, that would be a disaster.

you can't really assume how someone would be with power, you never know, hell, sade might me an awesome mod, but who knows.

[NavyBass]

and the fact is that if the main users of mx got a choice of mod we would end up with someone like sade and lets face it, that would be a disaster.

Not necessarily.

What I'm talking about is have a few people in mind, post a thread about them then have the rest of the members discuss those people, then the mods take all that back to the mod forum put their 2 cents in and go with that.

[Fernandes Power]

Im unsure if this has been posted already.

But why not have 4-5 mods?

One in America/Canada, one in the UK, one in Central Europe and one in Australia and/or Asia.

[thelowsoundofbass]

there are three people that i think would make exilent mods and sade is one of them. but i also think that our current mods are doing their jobs good. WM does a better job than any other mod that i have ever seen, gav does ok and tryxx has been a mod for what 4 days??? if that. its good as it is, if the current mod in question keeps on doing well we should keep him. if not well we'll come to that when/if that happens

lowsound

[peeted]

i dont doubt that the mods to take note of peoples sugestions, they just dont discuss it in this forum.

[Pastorius]

I actually see Gav online on the Active Users list quite a lot.

[thelowsoundofbass]

I'm not really sure what to tell you. I know exactly what you mean, maybe we can start a suggestions thread as a sticky sometime. It's kind of a what's done is done thing, but we'll do our best to rectify that. We listen, but the final say doesn't always even come down to us. Jim and Jeremy make those decisions.

I like being a mod, I think I do a good job. So far no one has shown any animosity towards me for being a mod, most like it. If there are those who don't like the decision, I'll hear them, sure; but I'm not stepping down anytime soon.

the only thing that i have against you is that you got it and not me. but o well i think that you are on more than me. congrats i don't think that i had said that yet

lowsound

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Currently we have one in the UK, one in Boston, and one in Texas...perhaps we should get somebody from the other side of the planet as well? Morpcat would make a good mod, IMO.

[morrissey]

It doesn't matter where they live, it matters what time they are on.

With the three current mods you get around the clock coverage, there are only a few hours (say 4-6 or 7 am EST) where things can be lacking. That hardly warrants a new mod.

[NavyBass]

I'm not really sure what to tell you. I know exactly what you mean, maybe we can start a suggestions thread as a sticky sometime. It's kind of a what's done is done thing, but we'll do our best to rectify that. We listen, but the final say doesn't always even come down to us. Jim and Jeremy make those decisions.

I like being a mod, I think I do a good job. So far no one has shown any animosity towards me for being a mod, most like it. If there are those who don't like the decision, I'll hear them, sure; but I'm not stepping down anytime soon.


Hell, I'll admit it, I would have liked to be a mod, but as stated before, I was counted out because I might not always be around. Like I said, that's why there are multiple mods, to be able to cover the holes. Besides, that was a one time thing. No one ever asked me to state my side of the story. They just counted me out.:upset: I think that's what makes me more upset is that the other mods answered for me and didn't even give me a chance to speak for myself. Besides, the only mods that know me are the ones in the bass forum, since that's pretty much the only forum I post in.

Plus, I'm over 23.:lol:

[muthafunkabass]

Currently we have one in the UK, one in Boston, and one in Texas...perhaps we should get somebody from the other side of the planet as well? Morpcat would make a good mod, IMO.
what about atomicant? isnt he from austrailia?

[Wintermute]

Currently we have one in the UK, one in Boston, and one in Texas...perhaps we should get somebody from the other side of the planet as well? Morpcat would make a good mod, IMO.

Morpcat hasn't been online in over a month.

[bottlerocket]

I actually see Gav online on the Active Users list quite a lot.

A thank you...like I said, just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not on, but I'll try posting more.

:thumb:

-Gav

[nisakss]

I knew I was going to be Jorge's replacement a week before I was ever modded. It was discussed in the mod forum, it was discussed, just not on this level. I assure you that it was well thought out though.

I have a question, have I ever been considered as a candidate to be mod??:D

[Led_Zeppelin678]

what about atomicant? isnt he from austrailia?


Yep.

[BassVirtuoso]

I'm actually trying to get modded again, not to replace anyone, just a general supermod.

[trumpeter]

A thank you...like I said, just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not on, but I'll try posting more.

:thumb:

-Gav

to be honest you are on quite a bit, but i sorely miss your posts, so intellegent, so helpful

gav is a good mod.

[PaulR]

I have a question, have I ever been considered as a candidate to be mod??:D
Hahah. I'd like to know that too.

Not about you..

[Led_Zeppelin678]

It'd be nice to have BV back, and now that he's back I'd like to see JP as mod.

[morrissey]

I'm actually trying to get modded again, not to replace anyone, just a general supermod.
Have you talked to Jim about it? I don't see why he wouldn't. They always welcome old mods back.

See: Burt

[cAPS_lOCK]

Why do so many people want to become a mod? Wow, you get to delete posts or lock threads, that's so fun. Can't you just be content about even being able to post on this forum without having to pay? Anyways, there really isn't much wrong with the forum that needs to be corrected. Every once and a while there is a post that is out of line and should get deleted, or a spam attack that needs to be taken care of, but that is about it. The mods that we have now are doing a great job and don't really need any help.

Best post in the thread. Why does everyone want to be a mod? Shut up and add something to the community instead. If you do, I'm sure you will be nominated when it comes to appointing a new one.

[BassVirtuoso]

Have you talked to Jim about it? I don't see why he wouldn't. They always welcome old mods back.

See: Burt

#17 morrissey comes out of nowhere with the assist.

[Bassinator89]

Why do you really care? honestly its not like this is a ****ing country or something, its an internet forum for bass players. Jesus, you guys sound like a bunch of asshats.

[thelowsoundofbass]

BV for mod, tho if you change oyur name again i will personaly hunt you down and take your bassses

lowsound

[Jim Hull]

I have a question, have I ever been considered as a candidate to be mod??:D

Ha, I wonder?

[Wintermute]

Why do we need more mods? Things are running pretty smoothly.

Becoming a mod is not the ultimate aim of coming on a forum like this... the ultimate aim is to learn, share knowledge, and enjoy yourself.

There seem to be a lot of people saying "I would make a good mod. Therefore, I should be a mod." It just doesn't work that way.

[Tryxx]

#17 morrissey comes out of nowhere with the assist.

She's good like that. She even got me posting in the pit! :eek:

But it couldn't hurt having you around at all.

[Tryxx]

Why do we need more mods? Things are running pretty smoothly.

Becoming a mod is not the ultimate aim of coming on a forum like this... the ultimate aim is to learn, share knowledge, and enjoy yourself.

There seem to be a lot of people saying "I would make a good mod. Therefore, I should be a mod." It just doesn't work that way.

123.

Not much else to elaborate on, but it's true.

[Zetora]

This seems quite a discussion

I think people shouldn't judge the mods cause they dont know what they do, nor the responsibilities behind being a mod. Fine they're not posting so much, I've been spending ages in the forum the past couple of months yet I haven't posted much, doesn't mean I'm not an active member as I know a lot of you realise, sorry just feel I'm only pointing out what others have said which I am.

This place seems to be going along fine to be honest, yes its got its hiccups but its ok.

Also my thoughts on elections, .... no, plain and simple nope, maybe the mods select a few ample members and then the forum votes on them but you can't just select someone to mod without the mods say so and thoughts on the matter. It needs to be someone the mods think they can comunicate with and get along with and what they think is a suitable candidate. Its a pitty work and college isn't the same :D though it seems to work well for the mod's so leave it.

Also Sade you could make quite a good mod from the change's you seem to have made, to be honest I didn't like you from reading your posts a couple of months ago ... but now I know you a bit better or so I feel I do, my opinions have changed. :thumb:

Zet.

[BassVirtuoso]

Why do we need more mods? Things are running pretty smoothly.

Becoming a mod is not the ultimate aim of coming on a forum like this... the ultimate aim is to learn, share knowledge, and enjoy yourself.

There seem to be a lot of people saying "I would make a good mod. Therefore, I should be a mod." It just doesn't work that way.

Isn't that how you were modded?

BV Wins.
Fatality.

[trumpeter]

we should have like a mod for a day opportunity that would be so insanely cool

i relaly think the bass forum has some of thebest mods, thanks all you guys

[thelowsoundofbass]

Why do we need more mods? Things are running pretty smoothly.

Becoming a mod is not the ultimate aim of coming on a forum like this... the ultimate aim is to learn, share knowledge, and enjoy yourself.

There seem to be a lot of people saying "I would make a good mod. Therefore, I should be a mod." It just doesn't work that way.

123, i would have liked to be a mod, but i really don't care that im not. i still enjoy comming here all the time

lowsound

[Riouken]

I simply feel we need a new mod for extra support to the BASS forum. Gav and Wintermute have priorities elsewhere a lot of the time, that's why it seems like Gav doesn't do much, when he is sorting out other stuff. Same with Wintermute. Like they said, it is "behind the scenes" and not directly ni the bass forum.

I think we need 4 mods is all. Just as support.

[mikethecoug]

SADE FOR MOD.


says it all ok. I can't say I know you all that well, but sade always seems to be funny when the time is right, and then again always there to help.

[neal_672]

To be honest i think everyone complaining about the mods should just shbut the hell up.

It's a hard job to do, and not at all enjoyable, NONE of the mods have done anything except give commitment, even tryxx who has only been a mod a week max has been superb and really fitted well into a new role; i can't imagine a better replacement for Jorge. If any of you can name me ONE thing that's been a real problem, not just a difference of opinion, but something that's actually DAMAGED the forums, that has originated from one of our current moderators (or BV for that matter, i wouldn't mind seeing him back just because he was a good mod, has experience, so it couldn't hurt) then i would be VERY surprised. Alex is on constantly, he does nothing but give his 100% Gav is on more than the vast majority of users, even if he is modding elsewhere, or in the background. Tryxx has given a great showing these past few days, so really we have nothing to complain about with any of them.

Stop being asshats and trying to create a forum "democracy" as has already been said we have no say in what happens, at the end of the day this is someone's website, and they don't have to give a **** about what we say, so stop pretending like it's a birth-given right that we should have to elect a new mod.

[bottlerocket]

Also Sade you could make quite a good mod from the change's you seem to have made...

What changes? He hates me and turned half the forum against me. :lol: :p

:thumb:

-Gav

[Wintermute]

Isn't that how you were modded?

BV Wins.
Fatality.

Nope. I was modded because WhoDoVooDoo got a new job and wasn't able to come o