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Chrysostom
10-29-2005, 04:08 PM
This is just a thought, and this thread does not necessarily represent my views on this hence the thread title, but anway...

As we all know, the job of a drummer, is to play for the music. Now, since playing for the music only very rarely requires things like a great degree of 4-way independence, or the ability to do polyrythms etc. could it be argued it isn't necessary to learn these things? I mean, I can "play for the music" in my band, and I suck.

Thoughts?

Refl
10-29-2005, 04:11 PM
Incorporate skills into colouring the music you play.

Neil Peart does this very well. Check out the song Bravado.

Bone
10-29-2005, 04:16 PM
"Music" is the combined creative endevours of the players involved.

The creativity you posses and your vocabulary on the drumset defines the music you play.

The drummer has the biggest influence on the music as a whole, arguably in many respects the most amount of control. Thus you ARE the music.

The more profecient you are at hitting things with your hands and feet, the better you can express your own internal musical ideas.

Janeway
10-29-2005, 04:18 PM
You can spice it up by doing things that require 4-way independence and using polyrythms.
It's not necessary, no.
With out it, your band is pretty much just another lame punk band, though.

ThugsRook
10-29-2005, 04:30 PM
As we all know, the job of a drummer, is to play for the music....
you can play for the music, or you can become the music :)

aznriceball
10-29-2005, 04:37 PM
play for the music. but u are part of the music. its a good thing u have common sense!

billdrum
10-29-2005, 04:39 PM
Everything depends on the dynamics and creativity level of your band. For example, AC/DC does not require a great amount of technical proficiency to play, so what Phil Rudd does fits perfectly. But Dave Matthews Band, without a "lead" guitarist, requires a different style of drumming that fills more space. Hence, Carter Beauford's style of playing wouldn't fit AC/DC and neither would Phil Rudd fit DMB. A good drummer should be able to recognize what is needed and adapt to each situation. If you limit yourself technically, you will limit the amount and quality of musical situations in which you will be able to excel!

Brokensticks
10-29-2005, 05:45 PM
Some songs call for more complex drumming rather than others as billdrum said, ACDC does not require hard drumming yet it fits with the music and whereas other bands require the more complex drumming.

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 05:49 PM
With out it, your band is pretty much just another lame punk band, though.

:angry: OI!

Janeway
10-29-2005, 05:55 PM
I didn't mean all of them were lame, baby.
Just the ones that suck.
Thats only about al...ah...nevermind.

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 05:56 PM
Gay :(

Janeway
10-29-2005, 05:56 PM
Who is?

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 06:01 PM
you :(

Janeway
10-29-2005, 06:02 PM
Are you attracted to me?

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 06:04 PM
huh?

Janeway
10-29-2005, 06:07 PM
What?
This is akward.

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 06:08 PM
Just a bit :)

Janeway
10-29-2005, 06:11 PM
Indeed.

BrekelmansInAbsentia
10-29-2005, 06:27 PM
awkwardenesstika 2005! woot

Janeway
10-29-2005, 06:27 PM
Do you have something against it, Phil?

Drum Phil
10-29-2005, 06:28 PM
Against what?

meizmatt
10-29-2005, 07:51 PM
being gay

Janeway
10-29-2005, 07:53 PM
Yeah.

aznriceball
10-29-2005, 08:09 PM
punk bands and homosexuality in the same thread. didnt see this coming :rolleyes:

DxRocker
10-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Studying up on complex stuff will benefit the "simple" playing as it will give you a better understanding of time overall

And if you ever end up in a prog rock band, your straight eight note rock beat won't be enough anymore :D

Everything one step at a time though... one step at a time

Janeway
10-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Woohee.
I've made like 30 posts today.

billdrum
10-29-2005, 08:40 PM
You'll get to 3,000 yet!

Janeway
10-29-2005, 08:41 PM
Aw, c'mon.
It was an honest mistake.
Those 7's look an awful lot like 9's.

moogoogaipan
10-29-2005, 10:52 PM
[QUOTE=PremierPearl]Now, since playing for the music only very rarely requires things like a great degree of 4-way independence, or the ability to do polyrythms etc.
QUOTE]

Now I know that you said that this is not necessarily your opinion, but I'd argue with you right there. Because almost every style of music requires 4 way independence. Though technically not independent since they are working together, but not codependent since you aren't hitting at the same time and they don't rely on each other...but I digress.
and just cause polyrhythms don't appear to exist in popular music, doesn't mean that they don;t. You have just failed to analyze enough music.
A ton of popular jazz tunes have the melody written as a polyrhythm... and many many classical piano pieces have polyrhythms written between the left and right hand, and even between two fingers on the same hand.
Both of these elements that you are claiming are rare, are in fact NOT.
If it wasn't musical, the drummers before us wouldn't have pioneered them.

Double Bass Jim
10-30-2005, 01:46 AM
Aw, c'mon.
It was an honest mistake.
Those 7's look an awful lot like 9's.
Looks like you've got a follower.

Drum Phil
10-30-2005, 05:18 AM
being gay

I have no problem with that, in fact i find on the whole, guys are better kissers :)