Anyone wanna know how to do gravity blasts???

[The Workman]

If enough people want i'll type up a how to on these. There quite easy once you get the hang of it, and getting very popular in the underground grind/death metal scenes.

[Mapexian]

yes, Enlighten us humanoids

[Bone]

Oh goodness no, for the love of all things good and pure, no.

[Retarded Chipple]

Yeah I'm interested.

[Bone]

Then go search on google, in the archives or post a question in the begginers forum.

Gravity Blast, Blast Beats and whatever other retarded names given to the most simple of patterns attempted to be played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.

Of all the literally infinte number of things you can do creatively and musical on a drumset - Why anyone would bother to spend any amount of time on such phrases harks at nothing more then a blatent wanting of musical creativity.

[dj_ando]

Then go search on google, in the archives or post a question in the begginers forum.

Gravity Blast, Blast Beats and whatever other retarded names given to the most simple of patterns attempted to be played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.

Of all the literally infinte number of things you can do creatively and musical on a drumset - Why anyone would bother to spend any amount of time on such phrases harks at nothing more then a blatent wanting of musical creativity.

simply exquisite. couldn't have said it better myself :)

[Retarded Chipple]

Well I'm willing to learn anything, it all adds up.

[TTTSNB]

Then go search on google, in the archives or post a question in the begginers forum.

Gravity Blast, Blast Beats and whatever other retarded names given to the most simple of patterns attempted to be played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.

Of all the literally infinte number of things you can do creatively and musical on a drumset - Why anyone would bother to spend any amount of time on such phrases harks at nothing more then a blatent wanting of musical creativity.
Please. That stuff is what fits the music thats being played. And you can make a blast beat complex. I've seen so many extreme metal players play incredibly creatively, for example Tony Laureano, Hannes Grossmann, Mario from the Derek Roddy forums, Hellhammer. Have you heard of any of these players? I bet not, because you're too close minded to accept anything that doesn't fit your idea of good music.

Oh and you're the one who thinks that playing over 200 bpm is meaningless right? Well listen to a great deal of jazz and then tell me that playing over 200 bom can't be musical.

[Bone]

Wow dude you are a moron.

Not only did you manage to not say anything pertaining to what I did. You made your self look retarded in the process.

I didn't say it doesn't fit the music did I? Hmm I don't think I did.. let me read through what I wrote..

Hmm nope. Nothing in there about it not fitting the music.

Let see, I did say it's about the most uncreative thing you can play on a drumset. That would be entirelly true. It's about the most simple pattern, if not the most simple pattern.

Did anyone say "exreme metal players" aren't creative? Anyone? Hmm nope, doesn't look like it. Where did that come from? Perhaps you had a different disscussion confused with this one. No mention of any metal players being uncreative. Nor any mention of the music being uncreative.

Alright lets continue..

The topic of speed, odd yet something else that was never mentioned. Lets read through it a 3rd time now... Nope, no mention of speed being meaningless or unmusical at all.

Hmm...

Close minded Hmm...


OK let's recap, we have obviouslly illiterate or very confused 'TTTSNB' - Some serious angst here child. Not only did you manage to go off on nothing, but you managed to expose your incredibly deep set issues of some sort of metal inferiority complex.

Perhaps some reading lessons may help you out.


Here's a little tip though for future reference. You should read what people have to say before you go off on nonsense. If you want to know what close minded is, look in the mirror. You didn't even read what I posted, yet quoted me and then weant off on about 3 different tangents, defeanding unattacked aspects to a disscussion that didn't exists until you mentioned them.


All in the meanwhile never addressing a single thing I actually said.


The brilliance is overwhelming.

[xizoesira]

Well I'm willing to learn anything, it all adds up.

Yeah, it does. Best post in this thread.

[Det_Nosnip]

I can't really think of any example of a situation where I've said to myself "Hmm..I'm really glad that I don't know how to do THAT." I'm in.

[tapioca]

yep, go ahead, dude. I find that those blast beats can also be a really good workout for your overall limb speed.

[jeremy colson roks]

Yea......... Sounds cool.Im in. P.S Bone guy, learn to spell before you start telling people to learn how to read.

[Shu]

Then go search on google, in the archives or post a question in the begginers forum.

Gravity Blast, Blast Beats and whatever other retarded names given to the most simple of patterns attempted to be played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.

Of all the literally infinte number of things you can do creatively and musical on a drumset - Why anyone would bother to spend any amount of time on such phrases harks at nothing more then a blatent wanting of musical creativity.

Hold up, your calling TTTSBN close minded? Coming from you who, has just dismissed blastbeats because they are simple? Drumming is not about playing the most complex thing imaginable, its about playing what is right. Yes, you never said that blastbeats dont fit into death metal, but you did say that its basically a waste of time to try and learn how to do them. But what if someone wants plays deathmetal? What if he wants to learn them? Then they are not pointless right?

played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.
ohk...
The topic of speed, odd yet something else that was never mentioned. Lets read through it a 3rd time now... Nope, no mention of speed being meaningless or unmusical at all.
Would you like to read through it again? 4th time lucky? Im sure you can read that right? Just incase i bolded it for you :)

Just a few tips - copied straight from your previous post.

Perhaps some reading lessons may help you out.

Here's a little tip though for future reference. You should read what people have to say before you go off on nonsense. If you want to know what close minded is, look in the mirror.
oh and one more thing -
Wow dude you are a moron.

[innerlo2]

i'm still wondering what a "gravity blast" is? Or is it just another name for really fast flurry of hits on random unsuspecting percussive instrument? cause those can be fun at times. Especially when said instrument has no idea its coming!

no?

[Bone]

Ah I knew I recognized you guys from somewhere... you're those kids I always see playing on the kits at GuitarCenter.

[Double Bass Jim]

Haha ^

Blasts and these types of things are the last thing id want to practice on the kit. As a joke i'll play a blast beat and usualy can't keep a straight face for more then 10 seconds without busting up. It's not something I would dedicate my time to. Learn to play with some style first and foremost.

[Starship]

Although I'm sure this doesn't belong in the advanced forum.. If playing blast beats is something a drummer wants to do, please don't bash him/it. It's not your life or your time that you're spending learning those things, it is him. If it makes him happy and he enjoys that genre of music, and the people listening to his music enjoy it, I do not see anything wrong with it. More information is always useful for people here, I would love to see some.

[Win A Rabbit]

blast beats are definately not something i would spend my time on. considering it would sound pretty much identical if i played a blast beat on my drums, or if i played it on a table top and a floor, i don't see how it can be classified as "drumming". yes, i know that a snare drum is going to sound different than a table top. but this difference is a bit hard to hear when the strokes are as fast and unmusical as blast beats are played. it's like the wfd for all 4 limbs.

[FockerTheLopper]

Wow dude you are a moron.

Not only did you manage to not say anything pertaining to what I did. You made your self look retarded in the process.

I didn't say it doesn't fit the music did I? Hmm I don't think I did.. let me read through what I wrote..

Hmm nope. Nothing in there about it not fitting the music.

Let see, I did say it's about the most uncreative thing you can play on a drumset. That would be entirelly true. It's about the most simple pattern, if not the most simple pattern.

Did anyone say "exreme metal players" aren't creative? Anyone? Hmm nope, doesn't look like it. Where did that come from? Perhaps you had a different disscussion confused with this one. No mention of any metal players being uncreative. Nor any mention of the music being uncreative.

Alright lets continue..

The topic of speed, odd yet something else that was never mentioned. Lets read through it a 3rd time now... Nope, no mention of speed being meaningless or unmusical at all.

Hmm...

Close minded Hmm...


OK let's recap, we have obviouslly illiterate or very confused 'TTTSNB' - Some serious angst here child. Not only did you manage to go off on nothing, but you managed to expose your incredibly deep set issues of some sort of metal inferiority complex.

Perhaps some reading lessons may help you out.


Here's a little tip though for future reference. You should read what people have to say before you go off on nonsense. If you want to know what close minded is, look in the mirror. You didn't even read what I posted, yet quoted me and then weant off on about 3 different tangents, defeanding unattacked aspects to a disscussion that didn't exists until you mentioned them.


All in the meanwhile never addressing a single thing I actually said.


The brilliance is overwhelming.
Dude, please stfu your making my brain hurt... lol :lol: just kidding your a smart man and like damo said all your posts are incredibly true... If you could just use smaller words taht would be awsome:thumb: , how long have you been playing for?

[FockerTheLopper]

Hold up, your calling TTTSBN close minded? Coming from you who, has just dismissed blastbeats because they are simple? Drumming is not about playing the most complex thing imaginable, its about playing what is right. Yes, you never said that blastbeats dont fit into death metal, but you did say that its basically a waste of time to try and learn how to do them. But what if someone wants plays deathmetal? What if he wants to learn them? Then they are not pointless right?


ohk...

Would you like to read through it again? 4th time lucky? Im sure you can read that right? Just incase i bolded it for you :)

Just a few tips - copied straight from your previous post.


oh and one more thing -
The point hes making is why waste time into a blastbeat, not like you really need to train your mind into anything, just do the same thing with both hands at the fastest speed possible for 5 minutes and you call that music, no contrast in dynamics no syncopation/accents or anything. You want to play deathmetal thats awsome, just get a double pedal learn to go super fast then hit your ride/snare or hats/snare in 16th notes. I'm not a fan of death metal but thats beyond the point, I can tell you that most rock in our days is pointless to learn but that isn't true because even the worse rock drummers put their own feel into the set, with death metal they don't. So for the record b l a s t b e a t s s u c k .. As for fitting the music, nothing else has been tried so how do you know it fits better then anything else, in death metal all you hear is the drums while you have a crazy shredding guitar solo going on, the bassist isn't even CLOSE to being heard and you need to listen for the guitar.

[drumindave]

The point hes making is why waste time into a blastbeat, not like you really need to train your mind into anything, just do the same thing with both hands at the fastest speed possible for 5 minutes and you call that music, no contrast in dynamics no syncopation/accents or anything. You want to play deathmetal thats awsome, just get a double pedal learn to go super fast then hit your ride/snare or hats/snare in 16th notes. I'm not a fan of death metal but thats beyond the point, I can tell you that most rock in our days is pointless to learn but that isn't true because even the worse rock drummers put their own feel into the set, with death metal they don't. So for the record b l a s t b e a t s s u c k .. As for fitting the music, nothing else has been tried so how do you know it fits better then anything else, in death metal all you hear is the drums while you have a crazy shredding guitar solo going on, the bassist isn't even CLOSE to being heard and you need to listen for the guitar.

Excuse me, ever hear of carcass they are death metal and they rarely use blast beats, listen to napalm death, exhumed, and many other grind and metal. You will probaly realize that alot of those drummers are pretty good. They use alot of endurnance ,which I am betting you wouldn't have enough to play through an hour set of grind core style songs. You people argue over the dumbest things, if you were actually true to drumming you wouldn't waste so much time argueing on these forums; you would be drumming.

[FockerTheLopper]

Excuse me, ever hear of carcass they are death metal and they rarely use blast beats, listen to napalm death, exhumed, and many other grind and metal. You will probaly realize that alot of those drummers are pretty good. They use alot of endurnance ,which I am betting you wouldn't have enough to play through an hour set of grind core style songs. You people argue over the dumbest things, if you were actually true to drumming you wouldn't waste so much time argueing on these forums; you would be drumming.
I come to these forums to learn about drums which I feel is just as important or maybe more important then practicing. I play daily for a good amount of time but without the knowledge I get from these forums I wouldn't be half as good as I am now.

[xizoesira]

I'm not a fan of death metal

I'll let this stand for itself.


even the worse rock drummers put their own feel into the set, with death metal they don't.

This statement is based on your biases. You don't like death metal and therefore have heard very little of death metal drummers except for a few trademark blastbeasts here and there.

As for fitting the music, nothing else has been tried so how do you know it fits better then anything else, in death metal all you hear is the drums while you have a crazy shredding guitar solo going on, the bassist isn't even CLOSE to being heard and you need to listen for the guitar.

Nothing else had been tried? The guitars do nothing but shred? How can you know when you haven't listened to death metal extensively?

I'd tell you to go listen to some choice examples of why you're wrong, but I'm sure you'd listen only to the blastbeat in the first three seconds of said songs and then come back here and craft those three seconds into a prime example of your ignorance, and that would be physically painful for me to read.

[FockerTheLopper]

I'll let this stand for itself.




This statement is based on your biases. You don't like death metal and therefore have heard very little of death metal drummers except for a few trademark blastbeasts here and there.



Nothing else had been tried? The guitars do nothing but shred? How can you know when you haven't listened to death metal extensively?

I'd tell you to go listen to some choice examples of why you're wrong, but I'm sure you'd listen only to the blastbeat in the first three seconds of said songs and then come back here and craft those three seconds into a prime example of your ignorance, and that would be physically painful for me to read.
I've listened to morbid angel, opeth, kreator, burzum. They all sounded very much alike(in the structure of the music)

[TTTSNB]

I've listened to morbid angel, opeth, kreator, burzum. They all sounded very much alike(in the structure of the music)
Sir, you really must be a moron if you think these bands sound alike, even in structure. They are all completely different styles. Oh and Bone.

Hmm nope. Nothing in there about it not fitting the music. Ok, well why is learning them a waste of time? What if you wish to be able to play extreme styles of music? I'm personally learning various blasts, which can actually be very creative in variation, as well as jazz ,latin, funk, and many other styles of drumming. Yet I'm still learning blast beats and such. Why? Because I wish to be able to play any style of drumming, and they simultaneously built coordination and chops. Whats wrong with that? Those things help me play more creatively, as I have a larger musical vocabulary to draw from.

The topic of speed, odd yet something else that was never mentioned. Lets read through it a 3rd time now... Nope, no mention of speed being meaningless or unmusical at all.
Oh yeah? Gravity Blast, Blast Beats and whatever other retarded names given to the most simple of patterns attempted to be played at the fastest speed possible are hardly advanced and worth less musically even.
This clearly implies that you think speed is meaningless.


OK let's recap, we have obviouslly illiterate or very confused 'TTTSNB' - Some serious angst here child. Not only did you manage to go off on nothing, but you managed to expose your incredibly deep set issues of some sort of metal inferiority complex.
Oh, so now you feel the need to become even more condescending? Perhaps you have some issues of your own? I went off because you made a completely meaningless and unnecessary comment. If someone wants to learn gravity blasts, then whats the issue? They want to learn it. Its a cool technique anyway, used by many NON METAL players such as Johnny Rabb. Oh and don't call me child.

Here's a little tip though for future reference. You should read what people have to say before you go off on nonsense. If you want to know what close minded is, look in the mirror. You didn't even read what I posted, yet quoted me and then weant off on about 3 different tangents, defeanding unattacked aspects to a disscussion that didn't exists until you mentioned them.


All in the meanwhile never addressing a single thing I actually said.


The brilliance is overwhelming.
Need I go on? oh, and why'd you post such a long response to me? Isn't it beneath your time?......
I'm not even close to close minded, I just resent ignorant stupidity such as yours, as well as condescension.

[xizoesira]

I've listened to morbid angel, opeth, kreator, burzum. They all sounded very much alike(in the structure of the music)

Only one of those bands even blast beats extensively! :confused:

I'm trying not to get mad here, but I really think you haven't given death metal drumming enough of a listen to give or revoke credit - especially if you hold your views having listened to a progressive band like Opeth.

[Futuro]

Yea......... Sounds cool.Im in. P.S Bone guy, learn to spell before you start telling people to learn how to read.
/Eyes peek over to username. :) JK with ya man.

[Win A Rabbit]

Ok, well why is learning them a waste of time? What if you wish to be able to play extreme styles of music? I'm personally learning various blasts, which can actually be very creative in variation, as well as jazz ,latin, funk, and many other styles of drumming. Yet I'm still learning blast beats and such. Why? Because I wish to be able to play any style of drumming, and they simultaneously built coordination and chops. Whats wrong with that? Those things help me play more creatively, as I have a larger musical vocabulary to draw from.
why is it a waste of time? because there are countless other things that can be much more useful to a drummer. creative in variation? variation as in... coordination? how can blast beats improve coordination more than independance excercises played even at 1/10th of the speed? chops? sure, if you want your chops to be blast beats.
Oh yeah?
This clearly implies that you think speed is meaningless.
speed meaningless, no. maximum human speed meaningless, yes. there is a thin line between 'fast' and 'too fast'.
If someone wants to learn gravity blasts, then whats the issue? They want to learn it. Its a cool technique anyway, used by many NON METAL players such as Johnny Rabb. Oh and don't call me child.
if someone wants to take the scenic route to work every day, and turns a 10 minute drive to an hour long drive, what's the big issue? it doesn't affect me at all, but it's simply time spent on something that serves 'virtually' no purpose. we're just trying to help people waste time on something that is not going to benefit them. there are so many more things a drummer can learn. there is no limit to drumming. blast beats, however, do have a limit. and that limit comes very quickly.

[lasirk]

wow, and i thought you guys spent all your enerhy aruing about travis, i guess the death kids and punk kids all feel the fury of the MXers.

[TTTSNB]

why is it a waste of time? because there are countless other things that can be much more useful to a drummer. creative in variation? variation as in... coordination? how can blast beats improve coordination more than independance excercises played even at 1/10th of the speed? chops? sure, if you want your chops to be blast beats.

speed meaningless, no. maximum human speed meaningless, yes. there is a thin line between 'fast' and 'too fast'.

if someone wants to take the scenic route to work every day, and turns a 10 minute drive to an hour long drive, what's the big issue? it doesn't affect me at all, but it's simply time spent on something that serves 'virtually' no purpose. we're just trying to help people waste time on something that is not going to benefit them. there are so many more things a drummer can learn. there is no limit to drumming. blast beats, however, do have a limit. and that limit comes very quickly.
1. First thing, no, if you become good at blast beats, while simultaneously working on rudiments, you will have good chops in everything, better then standard chops building exercises, IMO.

2.There is no such thing as too fast if it is in a musical context. Do you ever hear about jazz players playing fast? I think not.

3. Blast beats don't take that much time to learn, if you simply make a concentrated effort to work on them, As such, they don't make time away from learning other things. Case in point: the numerous extreme metal players who are also profficient in jazz, latin, etc drumming(IE Hellhammer) Secondly, as I've stated earlier, learning blast beats is not a waste of time, even if you don't want to play extreme metal. And no, blast beats don't have a limit, their's so many different variations to learn and invent.

[Caleb3221]

I am primarily a jazz/funk drummer. I really don't like death metal very much. But I really have to disagree with everyone bashing blast beats on here. How are blast beats less creative that the "standard rock beat", bass 1 and 3, snare 2 and 4. No one bashes Dennis Chambers when he plays that. It is much simpler technically. Notice how a lot of jazz is based around essentially the same ride pattern? I guess its useless to learn to play that fast because it's completley uncreative. What? Not all jazz is based around the same ride pattern? Hey! Not all metal is based around blast beats! The jazz ride pattern isn't always played the same? Hey, neither are blast beats! As others have said, if death metal is your style, then you absolutley should learn to play blast beats. If it isn't but you really take your drumming seriously, you should probably learn them anyway eventually, in case you are ever called upon to play them. I've heard Vinnie Colaiuta play a blastbeat like section in a solo of his. He also has recorded with a few metal bands. What if you are playing with a bandleader like Zappa who expects you to be able to pull any musical style out of your hat in an instant? What if you are looking for studio work, and you get a call from a metalband, but turn them down because "Blastbeats are inferior. Blastbeatss bist das untermenschen. Heil Rich!" There is no reason not to learn blast beats. Sure, there are other things that could be more important, and they definatley shouldn't be focused on exclusivley. But, there is nothing inherently wrong with them.

And then on gravity blasts...I have personally seen Johnny Rabb play some VERY cool and musical stuff using those. Those are by no means uncreative or useless.

[Win A Rabbit]

1. First thing, no, if you become good at blast beats, while simultaneously working on rudiments, you will have good chops in everything, better then standard chops building exercises, IMO.
the question here, though, is "what will improve chops more? rudiments and independance excercises, or blast beats?" sure, if you learned rudiments, independance excercises, every style of music possible, even including blast beats, all simultaneously, you'd have great chops. but blast beats alone will definately not accomplish near as much as rudiments. there's no arguing that.
2.There is no such thing as too fast if it is in a musical context. Do you ever hear about jazz players playing fast? I think not.
maybe it's just my ear, but i tend to sense a bit of musicality in jazz, even at high high tempos. the musicality always comes first in comparison to speed. whereas in death metal, musicality takes a backseat to speed. when the "music" starts becoming more focused on speed than on music itself, that is when the line between fast and too fast can be drawn.
3. Blast beats don't take that much time to learn, if you simply make a concentrated effort to work on them, As such, they don't make time away from learning other things. Case in point: the numerous extreme metal players who are also profficient in jazz, latin, etc drumming(IE Hellhammer) Secondly, as I've stated earlier, learning blast beats is not a waste of time, even if you don't want to play extreme metal. And no, blast beats don't have a limit, their's so many different variations to learn and invent.
the fact is that anything you do takes time away from everything else you do, no matter how much of a concentrated effort you put into it. the more you sleep in 24 hours inversely effects the hours you are awake. the same applies to learning things like blast beats. and to the drummers you listed, i can most definately assure you that their feel and musicality that they are putting into their "jazz, latin, etc." (i'm assuming here, since i haven't heard these drummers play anything other than death metal) drumming did NOT come from them learning blast beats. death metal has basically no feel or groove from the drummer. blast beats further reduce any feel put into music. and to your comment on "limitless blast beats", come on. think logically here. how many variations can you put on a blast beat? i'd really like to see a list.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i think you'll scared the threadstarter away. he's yet to respond back.

[Double Bass Jim]

whereas in death metal, musicality takes a backseat to speed. when the "music" starts becoming more focused on speed than on music itself
Totaly true man, thats the case for about 98% of those bands too.

[Det_Nosnip]

Case in point: the numerous extreme metal players who are also profficient in jazz, latin, etc drumming(IE Hellhammer)

Hehe..I think that you meant "e.g," but, ironically, you were more accurate using "I.E." Alot of extreme metal players TRY to play jazz or latin styles in order to prove that they're well-rounded or whatever, but most of them fail (case in point: Derek Roddy. I'm sorry....the man cannot groove. ). Hellhammer really is more of an exception than anything. If you consider Martin Lopez to be an "extreme metal" drummer (Opeth is a kinda tough band to label), then he would be another...but, as much as I like metal, most metal drummers are not nearly as well-rounded as they claim or try to be.

[Double Bass Jim]

Exactly. Theres a big difference between "mimicking" and actually being proficent and good in other styles.

[zfzgg]

......Sorry to anyone this doesn't apply to, but i have to say it.......

SHUT THE **** UP

.........sorry:wave:

[Shu]

The point hes making is why waste time into a blastbeat, not like you really need to train your mind into anything, just do the same thing with both hands at hthe fastest speed possible for 5 minutes and you call that music, no contrast in dynamics no syncopation/accents or anything. You want to play deathmetal thats awsome, just get a double pedal learn to go super fast then hit your ride/snare or hats/snare in 16th notes. I'm not a fan of death metal but thats beyond the point, I can tell you that most rock in our days is pointless to learn but that isn't true because even the worse rock drummers put their own feel into the set, with death metal they don't. So for the record b l a s t b e a t s s u c k .. As for fitting the music, nothing else has been tried so how do you know it fits better then anything else, in death metal all you hear is the drums while you have a crazy shredding guitar solo going on, the bassist isn't even CLOSE to being heard and you need to listen for the guitar.

blah blah...
i totally hate deathmetal.. anyway i think you need to learn to read as well..
Did you read my point?
Why should we discriminate those who want to learn blastbeats? seriously, just because in your words blast beats have no feel, does that instantly mean that they should not be practised? Whocares what someone wants to do, just because it dont appeal to you, it doesnt mean that it doesnt appeal to all drummers. You hate deathmetal, as do it.. i agree listening to it, its crap.. but thats my opinion.. but i would hate to catch myself telling others not to listen to it, not to play it, not to try it.. whoever is out there, may like it.. its their call whether they wanna learn blastbeats or not... not yours, even if you think they are stupid, its your opinion keep it to yourself.

[TTTSNB]

Hehe..I think that you meant "e.g," but, ironically, you were more accurate using "I.E." Alot of extreme metal players TRY to play jazz or latin styles in order to prove that they're well-rounded or whatever, but most of them fail (case in point: Derek Roddy. I'm sorry....the man cannot groove. ). Hellhammer really is more of an exception than anything. If you consider Martin Lopez to be an "extreme metal" drummer (Opeth is a kinda tough band to label), then he would be another...but, as much as I like metal, most metal drummers are not nearly as well-rounded as they claim or try to be.
hahahahah yeah he sounds soo bad in all of the groove vids, but yeah Hellhammer is an exception, and many other drummers can do the same. What I was saying is, its possible to simultaneaously learn extreme drumming and other things, equally well.

[EdBanger]

Wow.....thats quite the argument...its been done a few times before aswell.
Extreme drumming, that makes me laugh.
Drumming while being shot at, now thats EXTREME.

[Phantom Lord]

why doesn't 'The Workman' just tell us how to do 'gravity blasts' and be done with it?

[Bone]

Wikipedia to the rescue -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beats

[-Obscurity-]

So what's the difference between "gravity blasts" and blast beats?:confused:

[Bone]

I did a search on google for "gravity blast".

I came up with nothing but references on various forums, wich for the most part varied in their deffinitions. My understanding would be that the term "Gravity Blast" is a slang, and loose term, applied to some variation of a Blast Beat.

[-Obscurity-]

I did a search on google for "gravity blast".

I came up with nothing but references on various forums, wich for the most part varied in their deffinitions. My understanding would be that the term "Gravity Blast" is a slang, and loose term, applied to some variation of a Blast Beat.

Yeah, I couldn't find a solid definition or technique demonstration either. The only conclusion I could come to as well is that.......Oh wait, I just lost interest in this whole blast beat thing. It was mildly interesting at first because of the initial shock value, but soon became grating and redundant.

[TTTSNB]

I did a search on google for "gravity blast".

I came up with nothing but references on various forums, wich for the most part varied in their deffinitions. My understanding would be that the term "Gravity Blast" is a slang, and loose term, applied to some variation of a Blast Beat.
its just a one handed roll on the snare while everything else does a normal blast beat. Thats the accepted definition.

[-Obscurity-]

its just a one handed roll on the snare while everything else does a normal blast beat. Thats the accepted definition.

Isn't that pretty much what a blast beat is?

[TTTSNB]

Isn't that pretty much what a blast beat is?
Nah, I mean its like a one handed, rim bouncing roll, like johnny rabb does, and then a normal blast beat on the other limbs. Normal blast beats just play 8ths on the snare, with the one handed roll, you're technically doing 16ths, not 8ths on the snare.

[-Obscurity-]

Nah, I mean its like a one handed, rim bouncing roll, like johnny rabb does, and then a normal blast beat on the other limbs. Normal blast beats just play 8ths on the snare, with the one handed roll, you're technically doing 16ths, not 8ths on the snare.

Oh ok. Makes sense. I had thought the term "blast beat" was pretty much a general term that covered all that stuff.

[Caleb3221]

The gravity blast is just the one handed roll part, in every situation I have seen it in. It has very musical applications as I said before. Gravity Blasts and Blast Beats can be completley independant of eachother.

[chickensandwiches]

honestly all the elistists are @ssholes if becoming a good drummer means becoming like them, ill stay a crappy drummer

personally i dont use blasts thatmuch except forwhere it fits, but it doesnt mean its stupid to learn

all the elitists say learn many styles yet they are always burning on what they say is inferior to learn and a waste of time to practice
worst bunch of hypocrites ive ever seen if you want to learn em go for it if not dont be interuppting others trying to learn just do your own thing.

the point of this thread never even got addressed becuase of all these dum@ss elistist shi*tholes

[Trev]

In response to The Workman's original comment, I would love a writeup on Gravity Blasts. I'm all for learning all styles of drumming, from extreme drumming, to jazz. It's all good.

[drumindave]

if someone wants to take the scenic route to work every day, and turns a 10 minute drive to an hour long drive, what's the big issue? it doesn't affect me at all, but it's simply time spent on something that serves 'virtually' no purpose. we're just trying to help people waste time on something that is not going to benefit them. there are so many more things a drummer can learn. there is no limit to drumming. blast beats, however, do have a limit. and that limit comes very quickly.

Your right about blast beats having a limit and drumming not; however, drumming is only unlimited because of the combinations of different things that make it up, that includes blast beats too. In fact, all aspects of drumming are limited, such as something as proven as tradtional grip is limited in certain settings just like blast beats are limited in certain settings.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I personally have tried to go out and learn as many styles a I can, I find that blast beats are one of the most boring to play IMO but if you play death/harcore metal its a good thing to learn but its all down to choice.




Wow.....thats quite the argument...its been done a few times before aswell.
Extreme drumming, that makes me laugh.
Drumming while being shot at, now thats EXTREME.

or things being thrown at you(my old singer used to throw frozen peas at me for a laugh on stage)

[Win A Rabbit]

Your right about blast beats having a limit and drumming not; however, drumming is only unlimited because of the combinations of different things that make it up, that includes blast beats too. In fact, all aspects of drumming are limited, such as something as proven as tradtional grip is limited in certain settings just like blast beats are limited in certain settings.
your point is? blast beats take up 0.001% of everything you can do on drums, and they're only "properly" (and i use that term VERY loosely) applied in already un-musical situations.

and to chickensandwiches' elitist comment, blast beats are not a style. sure, if you want to spend your time learning them, go fot it. but there is virtually NO ADVANTAGE that you will gain in any aspect of life from a blast beat. i said that there are so many more things you can learn, why spend that time on hitting the same drums in the same simple, simple patterns as fast as you can?

just as an experiment. you learn blast beats for a month. only blast beats. focus entirely on them. i will take up jazz, funk, fusion, your choice. i will focus only on it. after that month, we will see who has improved the most. then we will see who can apply what they just learned more efficiently into other styles of playing. we'll see who's chops have improved the most. who's groove and feel has improved the most. see where i'm getting at?

there's ALOT more to drumming than blast beats.

[FockerTheLopper]

blah blah...
i totally hate deathmetal.. anyway i think you need to learn to read as well..
Did you read my point?
Why should we discriminate those who want to learn blastbeats? seriously, just because in your words blast beats have no feel, does that instantly mean that they should not be practised? Whocares what someone wants to do, just because it dont appeal to you, it doesnt mean that it doesnt appeal to all drummers. You hate deathmetal, as do it.. i agree listening to it, its crap.. but thats my opinion.. but i would hate to catch myself telling others not to listen to it, not to play it, not to try it.. whoever is out there, may like it.. its their call whether they wanna learn blastbeats or not... not yours, even if you think they are stupid, its your opinion keep it to yourself.
You do have a point, but again, theres nothing that you need to practice, if you have the speed and you need to play it you'll be able to play it, I bet I can play a blast beat at like 250 BPM, and I never practiced them, but theres so little to train your mind too. I remember jim saying that if drumming more physical then musical then its not intresting thats what blast beats. For those who want to learn them they probably already know them so there is really no need to practice, if anything practice playing double bass singles, it'll sound better at least

[Shu]

You do have a point, but again, theres nothing that you need to practice, if you have the speed and you need to play it you'll be able to play it, I bet I can play a blast beat at like 250 BPM, and I never practiced them, but theres so little to train your mind too. I remember jim saying that if drumming more physical then musical then its not intresting thats what blast beats. For those who want to learn them they probably already know them so there is really no need to practice, if anything practice playing double bass singles, it'll sound better at least

Soo.. you can play single hand rolls at 250bpm? please show me, enlighten me on how you do it.. but, can you do it for 3 min straight? cleanly? you can also do dbl kick at 250bpm for 5 mins staight right?

If you werent sure.. speed comes after hours of practise, its a dream for some to think, that they can just sit down at immediately start playing incredible fast. You start slowly, and as you build it up, your muscles learn the movement and soo it becomes easier.. then you slowly speed it up.. then you get the incredible speed you desire, but thats only after many hrs, days, months of quite constant practise..

So you can play a blastbeat at 250bpm, if you have the speed.. but where does this speed of yours come from? did it come over night?

if you practise dbl kick singles.. thats working on slowly building up the legs so that it opens up a door for you to play blastbeats.. but thats still practise towards getting them down, and lifting the speed.

[FockerTheLopper]

Soo.. you can play single hand rolls at 250bpm? please show me, enlighten me on how you do it.. but, can you do it for 3 min straight? cleanly? you can also do dbl kick at 250bpm for 5 mins staight right?

If you werent sure.. speed comes after hours of practise, its a dream for some to think, that they can just sit down at immediately start playing incredible fast. You start slowly, and as you build it up, your muscles learn the movement and soo it becomes easier.. then you slowly speed it up.. then you get the incredible speed you desire, but thats only after many hrs, days, months of quite constant practise..

So you can play a blastbeat at 250bpm, if you have the speed.. but where does this speed of yours come from? did it come over night?

if you practise dbl kick singles.. thats working on slowly building up the legs so that it opens up a door for you to play blastbeats.. but thats still practise towards getting them down, and lifting the speed.
Ah forgot about the kicks, but also I meant 8ths on 250, I just reread my post, but yeah its nothing too hard

[Bone]

These kids throw around "BPM" as if they know what they are talking about....

[FockerTheLopper]

These kids throw around "BPM" as if they know what they are talking about....
I hope you aren't talking about me...

[Shu]

8ths @ 250bpm is easy.. and its not that fast..
but can you do 16ths? how bout @ 200bpm?

blast beats from what ive heard, are pretty damn fast..

[Bone]

8ths @ 250.... what?!


Your missing the most important part of the equation.

Would that be Quarter = 250bpm, 16th = 250 bpm...

If you are saying 8ths @ quarter = 250 bpm.. well golly gee, 16ths at 125? 32nds at 62?

As I mentioned in the metronome thread a bit ago. If you need a click that goes up past 200.. you have no idea what you are doing with one.

16ths past 145 or so.. knock it back to 32nds at 65-70bpm.

No music has a pulse that flys faster then 200. Even in "hardcore" metal if you looked at the actual notation, it's not that fast. 32nd note double bass work exceeding quarter = 160bpm would be absurd, if not inhuman.


You want to talk about hands?
Single stroke roll some 32nds at around quarter = 120bpm. I DOUBT most people on this forum could handle that kind of speed. Cause that's pushin it... 130-140, that's getting into some serious serious chops.

[FockerTheLopper]

8ths @ 250.... what?!


Your missing the most important part of the equation.

Would that be Quarter = 250bpm, 16th = 250 bpm...

If you are saying 8ths @ quarter = 250 bpm.. well golly gee, 16ths at 125? 32nds at 62?

As I mentioned in the metronome thread a bit ago. If you need a click that goes up past 200.. you have no idea what you are doing with one.

16ths past 145 or so.. knock it back to 32nds at 65-70bpm.

No music has a pulse that flys faster then 200. Even in "hardcore" metal if you looked at the actual notation, it's not that fast. 32nd note double bass work exceeding quarter = 160bpm would be absurd, if not inhuman.


You want to talk about hands?
Single stroke roll some 32nds at around quarter = 120bpm. I DOUBT most people on this forum could handle that kind of speed. Cause that's pushin it... 130-140, that's getting into some serious serious chops.
16th at 125 isn't really that fast, I'm going use my in comp metronome to see for how many beats I can keep it up with both hands... Woah... Crap you were right I guess I was just throwing numbers out, if I slow it down 5 BPM though I can play 16ths, my left hand drags though I'm going to try 110 now see how that is, well with both my left hand drags my right can play the 16ths for a long while but my left hand still can't... Bone once again your right exept for one part, the no music past 200, the heats on by count basie has a half note=138, so quater=super fast... too early for math...276, thats fast, I think the only three people that could have recorded that song better then good ol' Papa Jo Jones are probably Bellson, Rich, and Roy Haynes(maybe Weckl and Coliauta(can't spell his name too long!)

[FockerTheLopper]

8ths @ 250 is easy.. and its not that fast..
but can you do 16ths? how bout @ 200?

blast beats from what ive heard, are pretty damn fast..
I can't play 16ths at 200 with a click even with two hands, not because its too fast(which it is pretty dam fast) but because its so hard to cordinate yourself at that speed
Edit: I just played 16ths at 200 with 2 hands and I'm pretty sure its imposible to play them with one hand, all I did was subdivide, started with quaters moved to eigths then added the left and vwhala, 16ths

[Caleb3221]

I'm going to take on Sics arguments here. Can you honestly tell me that Virgil Donati's (and many other's) crazy polyrhythms have more applications than blast beats? In terms of sheer practical applications, if you can play the most insane polyrhyhtms but can't play a fast blastbeat, you are probably going to lose more gigs than if you can't play blastbeats but can play polyrhythms. And you still haven't refuted my eariler point that blast-beat styled things can be applied in various places other than metal. I have seen at least 2 fusion drummers to similar things live, there was a blastbeat type grooove in a solo on a Berine Worrel's Woo Warriors bootleg I have, and I have heard Vinnie Colaiuata do something similar to a blast beat. I don't have any readily acessible recordings to back myself up, sorry, but I still disgree with your point that learning blastbeats are completley limited in their application.

[FockerTheLopper]

I'm going to take on Sics arguments here. Can you honestly tell me that Virgil Donati's (and many other's) crazy polyrhythms have more applications than blast beats? In terms of sheer practical applications, if you can play the most insane polyrhyhtms but can't play a fast blastbeat, you are probably going to lose more gigs than if you can't play blastbeats but can play polyrhythms. And you still haven't refuted my eariler point that blast-beat styled things can be applied in various places other than metal. I have seen at least 2 fusion drummers to similar things live, there was a blastbeat type grooove in a solo on a Berine Worrel's Woo Warriors bootleg I have, and I have heard Vinnie Colaiuata do something similar to a blast beat. I don't have any readily acessible recordings to back myself up, sorry, but I still disgree with your point that learning blastbeats are completley limited in their application.
I think we all agree that blast beats can be applied but the fact of the matter is that we can all play blast beats from day one, not all of us have the option of playing those Donati polyrythms, so why train our mind into playing a mindless blast beat when we can concentrate on something like a polyrhythm, because the truth is if you have the speed you can play a blastbeat.

[Shu]

I can't play 16ths at 200 with a click even with two hands, not because its too fast(which it is pretty dam fast) but because its so hard to cordinate yourself at that speed.

err.. soo its not too fast, but its hard to cordinate yourself at that speed? soo.. if its hard to coordinate yourself at that speed, then shouldnt u be lowering the speed which means that it is actually to fast for you to handle?
in other words, it must be to fast if you cant handle it.. and yes it is pretty fast..

btw.. have u seen rabb, he can most likey do single hand rolls at that speed, and its not impossible at all, its not that crazy acutally..

[FockerTheLopper]

err.. soo its not too fast, but its hard to cordinate yourself at that speed? soo.. if its hard to coordinate yourself at that speed, then shouldnt u be lowering the speed which means that it is actually to fast for you to handle?
in other words, it must be to fast if you cant handle it.. and yes it is pretty fast..

btw.. have u seen rabb, he can most likey do single hand rolls at that speed, and its not impossible at all, its not that crazy acutally..
Thats different, he does 17 single strokes a second, I'm not Rabb and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. If you think 200 is easy put your metronome there and just start playing 16ths without building them up... Its not so easy to coutn 1e+a at that speed, it'll take you like 4 bars before you can count it right. The easy part is mainting it the hard part is finding it

[Shu]

17 single strokes one handed? err.. i really dont think soo..

I never said 16ths @ 200bpm was easy... my question was which do u mean.. because you say its not too fast, but then turn around and say "i couldnt coordinate it because it was too fast"

[FockerTheLopper]

17 single strokes one handed? err.. i really dont think soo..

I never said 16ths @ 200bpm was easy... my question was which do u mean.. because you say its not too fast, but then turn around and say "i couldnt coordinate it because it was too fast"
17 2 hands singles though, 1071 strokes per minute is record, so its 17 per second

[Win A Rabbit]

Can you honestly tell me that Virgil Donati's (and many other's) crazy polyrhythms have more applications than blast beats?
no, his crazy polyrhythms don't have alot of applications. BUT, his ability to play crazy polyrhythms shows his ability to manipulate time, thus, proving that his ability to play these can be applied to nearly EVERY type of music.
In terms of sheer practical applications, if you can play the most insane polyrhyhtms but can't play a fast blastbeat, you are probably going to lose more gigs than if you can't play blastbeats but can play polyrhythms.
you worded this wrong (both statements say the same thing) so i'm going to assume that your "situation" is that you can get more gigs playing blast beats than polyrhythms. if this is the case, then no, you are wrong. having the ability to play polyrhythms does not mean that you have to play polyrhythms in every section of the music. simply, it implies that your playing and concept of time and musicality (yes, some polyrhythms are extremely boring to listen to, but some are amazing) are advanced enough that you can take more musical theories than the blast beat formula of 'speed + simple patterns'.
And you still haven't refuted my eariler point that blast-beat styled things can be applied in various places other than metal. I have seen at least 2 fusion drummers to similar things live, there was a blastbeat type grooove in a solo on a Berine Worrel's Woo Warriors bootleg I have, and I have heard Vinnie Colaiuata do something similar to a blast beat.
i have said that they have limited applications. the only time these will even PARTLY fit with the music is in an already unmusical context. what more do you want me to say about the applications?
I don't have any readily acessible recordings to back myself up, sorry, but I still disgree with your point that learning blastbeats are completley limited in their application.
please, give me a list of all the different applications of a blastbeat. i'd love to see a list. it really shouldn't take long at all. then, if you have time, try to list all the applications of jazz, funk, fusion, prog, latin. just pick one. compare the lists. let the numbers speak for themselves.

i don't see how this argument can still have people arguing for blast beats, especially in comparison to pretty much any other style of drumming. think logically. please. think logically.

[FockerTheLopper]

no, his crazy polyrhythms don't have alot of applications. BUT, his ability to play crazy polyrhythms shows his ability to manipulate time, thus, proving that his ability to play these can be applied to nearly EVERY type of music.

you worded this wrong (both statements say the same thing) so i'm going to assume that your "situation" is that you can get more gigs playing blast beats than polyrhythms. if this is the case, then no, you are wrong. having the ability to play polyrhythms does not mean that you have to play polyrhythms in every section of the music. simply, it implies that your playing and concept of time and musicality (yes, some polyrhythms are extremely boring to listen to, but some are amazing) are advanced enough that you can take more musical theories than the blast beat formula of 'speed + simple patterns'.

i have said that they have limited applications. the only time these will even PARTLY fit with the music is in an already unmusical context. what more do you want me to say about the applications?

please, give me a list of all the different applications of a blastbeat. i'd love to see a list. it really shouldn't take long at all. then, if you have time, try to list all the applications of jazz, funk, fusion, prog, latin. just pick one. compare the lists. let the numbers speak for themselves.

i don't see how this argument can still have people arguing for blast beats, especially in comparison to pretty much any other style of drumming. think logically. please. think logically.
Oh yeah, mista unicorn, do ya logic thang

[tapioca]

then added the left and vwhala, 16ths
:lol: I hope you don't take any French classes, because that was really embarrassing. I had Latin in school, but even I know it's spelled "voilà".

[Caleb3221]

"i have said that they have limited applications. the only time these will even PARTLY fit with the music is in an already unmusical context. what more do you want me to say about the applications?"

I am disagreeing entirely with that statement. All of the examples I am citing are from very musical settings, mainly jazz and funk. You are totally ignoring what I am saying.

As to the application of polyrhythyms, I was using polyrhythms as an example, assuming that's all you can play. Or, if you played blastbeats, those are all you can play. I can't think of any situation that would want straight polyrhythyms, but I can think of plenty that would warrent straight blasting. That's pureley from a theoretical point of view, and was kind of a minor point.

My basic point is that there is no disadvantage to learning blastbeats, as they are not completely useless, and can, in fact, be applied, sometimes more often than many of the other techniques players seem to spend so much of their time working on.

[beaker_747]

This thread went from 'Learn this technique yada-yada' to 'Blastbeats: Yay or nay' in record time.

[FockerTheLopper]

:lol: I hope you don't take any French classes, because that was really embarrassing. I had Latin in school, but even I know it's spelled "voilà".
Na I took spanish and kept passing but I can't speak a sentence! I dropped it but had to go through hell, so no I didn't take any french classes... or did I? OH hohoho Wee wee

[FockerTheLopper]

My basic point is that there is no disadvantage to learning blastbeats, as they are not completely useless, and can, in fact, be applied, sometimes more often than many of the other techniques players seem to spend so much of their time working on.
There is a disadvantage in learning them because you do not need to learn anything, I can play a blast beat, not 16ths at 300 BPM, but I will never need to and I'm pretty sure even if it were possible I wouldn't need too. So train your mind to do something, not to hit 2 things as fast as possible at the same time while doing double time with your double bass.

[Caleb3221]

Two differnt arguments you are carrying on. There may be disadvantages to practicing them all the time, but that has nothing to do with the musicality or application of them. Yes, blast beats are baisc in terms of coordination and come with hand and foot speed.

And you contratict yourself in your argument. If you don't need to learn anything, then why would it be taking away from your learning to "do something"? Obviously blast beats at high speeds are difficult. Obviously it takes a long time to master them. Obvioulsy practicing them constantly and doing nothing else is detrimental to your drumming. This is true of anything, and has nothing to do with the "uselessness of blast beats" that you were describing(and that I disagree with).

And, also, look at your statement. "I will never need to". Good for you. Many drummers may need to. Why are you so critical of what they may want and need to do? I also will almost certainly never play a blastbeat. I don't like the type of music they are usually used in. I don't even really play double bass. But I still have complete respect for those who wish to learn to do this. It is a techinque that can be used, some may enjoy listening to, and one that is actually difficult to master. I am not quite sure why you would want to discourage people from learning this. Even if you don't find the applications musical, if any sinlge person anywhere in the world enjoys listening to them, there is a market, and it is worth learning if you want to.

[moogoogaipan]

^^^to comment to you. The fact of the matter is that blast beats were created by people who wanted fast results...to be considered musicians that is. So instead of taking time to practice, they learn a simple rock beat and speed it up(cause apparently that's musical).
It's not like these beats came from the masters of our time. It was just simple kids who wanted to be musicians, but didn't want to take the time to master their instrument



Haha ^

Blasts and these types of things are the last thing id want to practice on the kit. As a joke i'll play a blast beat and usualy can't keep a straight face for more then 10 seconds without busting up. It's not something I would dedicate my time to. Learn to play with some style first and foremost.

This is probably the best post in the thread. You hit the nail on the head.
I'll go into guitar center and the guitarists will usually ask me to play some blast beats...followed by their impression of how they want it to sound. I'll play it for 10 seconds and they'll be rocking around like it's the sweetest stuff they've heard and then I'll just crack up. After advancing past the metal stage, it's just ridiculous to play blast beats...

[TTTSNB]

These kids throw around "BPM" as if they know what they are talking about....
We do know what we're talking about. When we refer to for example, 250 bpm, we always mean 250 quarter notes per minute.

[moogoogaipan]

^^in essence, your right, but you're also wrong.
There are many variables. BPM can also be placed on the whole, half, eight, sixteenth, or any of the dotted variations. In your face.

[Bone]

We do know what we're talking about. When we refer to for example, 250 bpm, we always mean 250 quarter notes per minute.


Obviouslly...

Nobody, except kids, does that. It's highly impractical. Very illogical and deffinetly not professional.


How you ever wondered why 99% of metronomes on the market top out around 208 or so?

Or perhaps why fast swing and jazz charts drop the bpm marketing down to half note when the quarter exceeds about 190?


Yea... that's because it's all you need.

[E F F E C T]

i registered just to post in this thread.

just as an experiment. you learn blast beats for a month. only blast beats. focus entirely on them. i will take up jazz, funk, fusion, your choice. i will focus only on it. after that month, we will see who has improved the most. then we will see who can apply what they just learned more efficiently into other styles of playing. we'll see who's chops have improved the most. who's groove and feel has improved the most. see where i'm getting at?

there's ALOT more to drumming than blast beats.

this is not a fair comparision. jazz is genre of music, while "blast beats" are not. there is more to metal drumming than just blast beats. while they are used often, they are not any different than common jazz patterns. most jazz drummers will play resonably similar grooves, but their own personal style will be fleshed out with their fills and solos. a metal drummer will do the same but with blast beats in place of the ride patterns. jazz also share a lot of values with more mainstream styles of music. say for instance a common theme in jazz is love. because a jazz drummer would be used to backing up a band that would deal with such themes, he might also be adapt to, say, a blues band or a r&b band. metal does not really share the same values as jazz or really any mainstream music, so a metal drummer has to specialize in playing metal (although "punk rock" is becoming pretty mainstream these days :rolleyes: ). metal is not about love, so a jazz drummer might be lost in playing something angry, it's simply just not in his style to do so. a metal drummer, in turn, might be just as lost in playing something happy or joyful. does this make either music or musician a lesser to the other? not unless you believe in high art.


in response to BMP wars, many metal drummers see the battle for BMP as a dick-waving contest. there are many many drummers that are fast, can't keep it together at high speeds. infact, overall band tighness is often one of the deciding factors in a metal band's sucess, and the drummer plays an important roll in that. sure fast is good, but substance is better. solid and creative drummers that are slower are generally favoured over speedy but sloppy drummers (although sloppy sometimes fits this feel of the band :lol: ).


also, the gravity blast in not just a blast beat with a one-handed snare roll, it's a blast with a one-handed snare roll and a bass drum roll.


--:1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a
hh:x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
sn:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
bd:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


it's very difficult to coordinate at high speeds. personally, i don't like them because the snare always sounds really weak with the rolls. and just so no one gets the wrong idea about these, they are supposed to be over-the-top and take over a lot of the soundscape. they are supposed to sound huge, they aren't supposed to be musical.

And finally, buddy rich playing a blastbeat.
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichsticktrick.html
right around the 1:12 mark (just past half-way). he only holds its for about 2 seconds, but still. i wouldn't use this to hold up any arguements, it's more of an oddity than anything. plus i don't like buddy rich

[Loyton]

Oh goodness no, for the love of all things good and pure, no.


This be the first of many quotes. Because he said the ther best, first. Dear god...

[Loyton]

[I hope you aren't talking about me...

Yes, he is talking about you. You have NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

16th at 125 isn't really that fast, I'm going use my in comp metronome to see for how many beats I can keep it up with both hands... Woah... Crap you were right I guess I was just throwing numbers out, if I slow it down 5 BPM though I can play 16ths, my left hand drags though I'm going to try 110 now see how that is, well with both my left hand drags my right can play the 16ths for a long while but my left hand still can't... Bone once again your right exept for one part, the no music past 200, the heats on by count basie has a half note=138, so quater=super fast... too early for math...276, thats fast, I think the only three people that could have recorded that song better then good ol' Papa Jo Jones are probably Bellson, Rich, and Roy Haynes(maybe Weckl and Coliauta(can't spell his name too long!)

holy crap please shut up....

I can't play 16ths at 200 with a click even with two hands, not because its too fast(which it is pretty dam fast) but because its so hard to cordinate yourself at that speed
Edit: I just played 16ths at 200 with 2 hands and I'm pretty sure its imposible to play them with one hand, all I did was subdivide, started with quaters moved to eigths then added the left and vwhala, 16ths

Jesus christ, are you still talking?

Thats different, he does 17 single strokes a second, I'm not Rabb and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. If you think 200 is easy put your metronome there and just start playing 16ths without building them up... Its not so easy to coutn 1e+a at that speed, it'll take you like 4 bars before you can count it right. The easy part is mainting it the hard part is finding it

Yea, i guess you are.

17 2 hands singles though, 1071 strokes per minute is record, so its 17 per second

Starting to get angry.:angry:


Oh yeah, mista unicorn, do ya logic thang

Jesus *** ****ing son of god, why wont you go stand on a block of ice and a noose around your neck?

Na I took spanish and kept passing but I can't speak a sentence! I dropped it but had to go through hell, so no I didn't take any french classes... or did I? OH hohoho Wee wee

*Traces IP address, calls uncle in the military to bomb subject FOCKERTHELOPPER's house with 10 megatons of cluster goodness.*

There is a disadvantage in learning them because you do not need to learn anything, I can play a blast beat, not 16ths at 300 BPM, but I will never need to and I'm pretty sure even if it were possible I wouldn't need too. So train your mind to do something, not to hit 2 things as fast as possible at the same time while doing double time with your double bass.

We dont care, your dead. Jesus christ. Stop ****ing talking.

[insaynewrapper]

I think I read the first 10 posts of this thread and got pissed off. You play a different style of music! Shut the **** up about other people's style in music! We're all different, we have different views about how we play and what we like our **** to sound like, so just stop whining, for god's sake.

[FockerTheLopper]

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Yes, he is talking about you. You have NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.



holy crap please shut up....



Jesus christ, are you still talking?



Yea, i guess you are.



Starting to get angry.:angry:




Jesus *** ****ing son of god, why wont you go stand on a block of ice and a noose around your neck?



*Traces IP address, calls uncle in the military to bomb subject FOCKERTHELOPPER's house with 10 megatons of cluster goodness.*



We dont care, your dead. Jesus christ. Stop ****ing talking.
You ultimately got owned though, time it took you to do all that=minutes, anger level=angry, me=30 seconds and chillin

[Loyton]

You ultimately got owned though, time it took you to do all that=minutes, anger level=angry, me=30 seconds and chillin

It took you 30 seconds to write many pages of senceless information?

You must be a pro at sucking :thumb:

[Win A Rabbit]

I am disagreeing entirely with that statement. All of the examples I am citing are from very musical settings, mainly jazz and funk. You are totally ignoring what I am saying.
i'm not ignoring what you are saying. i am saying this: yes, it will have applications. does it have enough to consider it time well spent? no. and to your "jazz and funk" defense, please give me a sound clip of these. because i can guarantee you that these blast beats add nothing to the music. and if a jazz or funk player is resorting to a blast beat, i can also guarantee you that the section that the blast beat is being applied to is very unmusical. is this what you want me to address??? please specify, and i'll adress it.
As to the application of polyrhythyms, I was using polyrhythms as an example, assuming that's all you can play. Or, if you played blastbeats, those are all you can play. I can't think of any situation that would want straight polyrhythyms, but I can think of plenty that would warrent straight blasting. That's pureley from a theoretical point of view, and was kind of a minor point.
i'm fairly sure that someone who can play polyrhythms is able to play a WHOLE lot more than just polyrhythms, as it takes alot more time and concentration to learn polyrhythms and the concepts behind them than a blast beat.
My basic point is that there is no disadvantage to learning blastbeats, as they are not completely useless, and can, in fact, be applied, sometimes more often than many of the other techniques players seem to spend so much of their time working on.
disadvantage? that's arguable. bad way to spend your time? yes, for sure. more applications? definately not.

and to the next one...

this is not a fair comparision. jazz is genre of music, while "blast beats" are not.
ok, i'll change my statement to "death metal" instead of "blast beats" this means that for the month challenge, you are allowed to learn blast beats, AND straight 16th bass rolls with quaters on the hats, and snare on 2 and 4. congratulations.
there is more to metal drumming than just blast beats. while they are used often, they are not any different than common jazz patterns. most jazz drummers will play resonably similar grooves, but their own personal style will be fleshed out with their fills and solos. a metal drummer will do the same but with blast beats in place of the ride patterns.
on paper, yes, you have a point. but the big argument here is that jazz music is based on FEEL, while death metal is based on speed. not everything in jazz is straight 16ths, 32nds, what have you, all in the same dynamic, completely resembling a jackhammer. please listen to some jazz, then listen to some death metal. don't even pay attention to the rest of the instruments. just the drumming alone will have COMPLETELY different feels between the two of them. and that is why i have said that there are much better things that you can do with your time than learn blast beats.
jazz also share a lot of values with more mainstream styles of music. say for instance a common theme in jazz is love. because a jazz drummer would be used to backing up a band that would deal with such themes, he might also be adapt to, say, a blues band or a r&b band. metal does not really share the same values as jazz or really any mainstream music, so a metal drummer has to specialize in playing metal (although "punk rock" is becoming pretty mainstream these days ). metal is not about love, so a jazz drummer might be lost in playing something angry, it's simply just not in his style to do so. a metal drummer, in turn, might be just as lost in playing something happy or joyful. does this make either music or musician a lesser to the other? not unless you believe in high art.
this, while making no sense and being completely irrelevant to anything this argument even closely resembles, is just plain stupidity.
...they are supposed to sound huge, they aren't supposed to be musical.
thank you, you just proved my point. but do you know what else sounds "huge" ??? a great drummer with great feel. listen to some john bonham, and then listen to some death metal. tell me which sounds "huger".

geez, everyone makes me type out huge posts. :lol:

[moogoogaipan]

Alright, let me take this opportunity to bruise you *** a little...
First off, i'm gonna tell you that you are wrong and nothing you have said in this post has been correct. I'm not the one who usually flames people, but you are absolutely ridiculous and i'm sure many hear will agree...even those who do love metal.



this is not a fair comparision. jazz is genre of music, while "blast beats" are not. there is more to metal drumming than just blast beats. while they are used often, they are not any different than common jazz patterns. most jazz drummers will play resonably similar grooves, but their own personal style will be fleshed out with their fills and solos. a metal drummer will do the same but with blast beats in place of the ride patterns.

Jazz drummers will not play reasonably similar grooves. Maybe once in a while, they play the standard time keeping pattern. But this is what seperates jazz from the rest...
We improvise the whole song. 5 people can sit in on the same song and play it with the same accompaniment, but it will be absolutely different in every way. Jazz drummers know how to change the time feel and everything. You apparently know how to play in 4... how bland are you?

jazz also share a lot of values with more mainstream styles of music.
Also a load of horse****. You don't know anything about what you are talking about. You've never studied jazz obviously and therefore have no room to talk. I on the other hand used to be a metal fan, so I have the right to defend.


say for instance a common theme in jazz is love. because a jazz drummer would be used to backing up a band that would deal with such themes, he might also be adapt to, say, a blues band or a r&b band. metal does not really share the same values as jazz or really any mainstream music, so a metal drummer has to specialize in playing metal (although "punk rock" is becoming pretty mainstream these days :rolleyes: ). metal is not about love, so a jazz drummer might be lost in playing something angry, it's simply just not in his style to do so. a metal drummer, in turn, might be just as lost in playing something happy or joyful. does this make either music or musician a lesser to the other? not unless you believe in high art.

Once again dumbass. Where do you pull this bullsh|t from? If you would take the time to study jazz, most jazz songs aren't about love. There are ballads, true, but that doesn't make it a main theme.
And a jazz drummer wouldn't get lost in playing something angry. A jazz drummer would probably do it better because jazz drummers know how to feel the music, and most of them have some incredible intensity that they unleash if the music calls for it.
And it doesn't make one person less musical...but it does make you look pretty ignorant...


So don't sign up just to make one retarded post that you don't even really understand. A lot of us hear are actually college level musicians and beyond. If and when you decide to study the slightest bit of music, your eyes will be opened to a world that you wouldn't have seen with your head up your ***.

[FockerTheLopper]

It took you 30 seconds to write many pages of senceless information?

You must be a pro at sucking :thumb:
No, at the last thread, all the other ones took me a while, as for being pro at sucking I'm not, I don't make money sucking but if I wanted too I'd just become a hooker :lol: ...


That was pretty clever


Edit: Its pretty funny how a guy with one post made a thread asking if people wanted a how to on blast beats, now its like a flame war...
Pro Blast beats or Anti Blast beats

[Loyton]

That was pretty clever





Thanks you. And we do agree on the fact it is humorous the threadstarter has not replyed back! Doutful hes read past the first page.

[Bone]

Edit: Its pretty funny how a guy with one post made a thread asking if people wanted a how to on blast beats, now its like a flame war...
Pro Blast beats or Anti Blast beats


That's pretty good evidence it's really not worth bothering with.


Nobody argues about learning various other things, because of the obviousness of there value. Enough contriversy surrounds such subjects as blast beats to warrent some condition fact that perhaps they really aren't worth the time.

[crolfe1]

Why not have the mind to learn all things related to playing the drums. It just makes one's mental and skill library that much more vast and versatile. Thats my $.02

[moogoogaipan]

^^^I know that would seem the case.

But to honest, it really is pointless. It is so musically unuseable that it doesn't warrant any use outside of metal or punk. And most drummers who have been playing for a long time can usually pull one off if they wanted to regardless of actually practicing them.
You don't see any of the masters like Roy Haynes or Buddy Rich attempting to play them, but I know that if they had wanted to, then they could have done it better than any of these metal dicks.

[styler]

lol i like how nobodies noticed that the original person that made this thread hasnt actually told us how to them yet...TTTSNB actually made a thread describing all the types of blast beats...also metal isnt musical...metal guitar is musical. metal bass is musical. even metal keyboard is musical. metal lyrics are emo, horribly emo. metal grooves arent musical..as they are rarely grooves..metal fills are however, in the slightest sense musical, on a last note..there are not 100 types of metal. it is a million different people trying to differentiate themselves from others...there isnt a difference between (ie) speed and power metal..adding a keyboard also does not change what type of music it is...it is just adding another instrument in the mix.

as i listen to metal, i will stop this, as it will just lead to further pro-metal bashing and nay-metal bashing..>>back to useful threads.

[Music rockS]

The point hes making is why waste time into a blastbeat, not like you really need to train your mind into anything, just do the same thing with both hands at the fastest speed possible for 5 minutes and you call that music, no contrast in dynamics no syncopation/accents or anything. You want to play deathmetal thats awsome, just get a double pedal learn to go super fast then hit your ride/snare or hats/snare in 16th notes. I'm not a fan of death metal but thats beyond the point, I can tell you that most rock in our days is pointless to learn but that isn't true because even the worse rock drummers put their own feel into the set, with death metal they don't. So for the record b l a s t b e a t s s u c k .. As for fitting the music, nothing else has been tried so how do you know it fits better then anything else, in death metal all you hear is the drums while you have a crazy shredding guitar solo going on, the bassist isn't even CLOSE to being heard and you need to listen for the guitar.
If you mean what you say, you truly are ludacrisley stupid.

I'll give you a hint.....Most Classical death metal is NOT continuous 16ths and blasting. Listen to some Obituary, Morbid Angel, may as well throw in some Celtic Frost. Then you can realize how stupid you are.

Rock drummers put feel into their set, but Death Metal players don't? Explains how I can tell the difference between Sandoval, Flo, and Hellhammer ( Black metal, by the way).

Whats this?
"Morbid Angel - God of Emptiness"...and not ONE blast beat. Holy ****!

[Caleb3221]

http://www.houseofdrumming.com/vinnie.zip

One example of musical examples of "Blast beat" type playing(It's not just straight blasting, but thats like saying "Tony Williams dosen't count because he dosen't play ding ding-a-ling ding-a-ling all the time.). That is a clip from a bootleg DVD, you can probably find the rest of the DVD online, and it has some better examples of what I am talking about. He uses a number of blast beat concepts, including occasionally just laying down the double bass when playing something much less busy with his hands. Vinnie will occasionally just lay down the double bass, and it sounds damn good. And I guess I kind of overstated my point earlier. Sure, there are other things that time is better spent on, and there are other things that can be used more. But there is no reason for bashing people who want to learn blast beats, no matter what the reason. I do kind of agree that, to me, they sound unmusical, but this is not true of everyone, and as I may have stated before, if any one person anywhere ever has thought it is music, than it is music. If someone really wants to play in a metal band and the band really wants blast beats, why should we stop them? And if someone simply wants to be a well rounded drummer, why should we stop them? Despite your accusation of them having few musical applications, everyone has heard them and heard of them, so obviously they are being played.

Oh, yeah, another example I forgot. Terri Bozzio. He is definatley capable of some crazy blasting. He is definatley not an entirely unmusical drummer.

Third edit:
http://www.houseofdrumming.com/vinnie_bp.zip

[Bone]

Wonderful.

Vinnie is just a master. Take note, in the longer of the two video segments when vinnie goes to the china. He's actually playing an absurdly fast shuffle on the double bass.

[Caleb3221]

Indeed, that shuffle is one of my favorite solo grooves ever. It's been done by other guys, but he kills it like no other.

[Starship]

metal lyrics are emo, horribly emo.
This proves you have no idea what you're talking about..

[styler]

This proves you have no idea what you're talking about..
give them a listen...all emo...

[Bone]

Are not all lyrics to all music emotional simply by the very deffinition that they are musical lyrics?

Let alone all music is based on emotion. Such that.. people who used the word "emo" to describe music, are simply pure idiots.

[Caleb3221]

Yes, if you mean they are emotional, sure. All music expresses emotion. My favorite instrumental songs are the ones that really pull me in with the force of emotion and intensity they are played with. This is especially true in jazz, where the emotion of the band makes or breaks the song. Even in the upbeat funk I listen to, along the lines of Parliament, are expressing emotion(In heaps, I might add). Their emotion is just happy. Happiness is an emotion.

But, lets assume you are using the term "emo" in referance to the popular music movement occuring today, which I think you are. In that case, your gross statement that all metal music has "emo" lyrics is ridiculous. I don't even like metal and I have heard a number of examples of metal songs that aren't "emo". I'm sure if you want examples, some of the metalheads on this forum can point you to some.

[jalel]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that the emotional centers of your brain are shut off while playing a musical instrument. If this is true then that destroys the whole genre of "emo" music. I could be wrong though....

[Bone]

AH caleb I see what you are saying. I don't listen to "emo" music myself so I made some assumptions


Jael.. no, that's absolutely absurd.

[jalel]

Thanks for correcting me Bone. I was really skeptical when I heard that. That would be like saying your emotional centers are shut off when you drive. I know for a fact I get angry when people cut me off or almost run into my truck.

[Bone]

Yea, I don't think it's even possible for a humans emotions to shut down.

The military trains men very hard to be able to block that stuff out. Even then, it really doesn't work.

[styler]

Are not all lyrics to all music emotional simply by the very deffinition that they are musical lyrics?

Let alone all music is based on emotion. Such that.. people who used the word "emo" to describe music, are simply pure idiots.
music is emotional, as it should be. but are you not being an idiot by not understanding what i mean? we dont wanna hear about how the band members brokeup with there girlfriend. or in metals case the exact same thing, except with bigger words and they have a scream instead of a crappy voice

[Caleb3221]

You might not want to, and I might not want to, but that dosen't mean no one else wants to. Obviously, a lot of people DO want to listen to that stuff, because it sells. And, not all metal is about that stuff. Not only do you not have a point, if you did have that point, it wouldn't be relevant.

[moogoogaipan]

let's put it like this. The mass population is idiots. That's why Pop music rains supreme in the music industry. People love to buy crappy music...that's why it sells.

[tapioca]

let's put it like this. The mass population is idiots. That's why Pop music rains supreme in the music industry. People love to buy crappy music...that's why it sells.
I believe in the theory that not the majority of the population are idiots/stupid, but just lazy turds. most people just don't care to find the 'good' music, so they take a) what they know, b) what they can easily access or c) what people will give them/tell them to buy, because they can't/don't want to sacrifice much of their time/effort for entertainment. I also think that's a big point of entertainment, it has to be easily accessible to be mass compatible, because 'how can be something entertaining if you have to put in work to make it out'? most people simply want to enjoy music as a piece of entertainment, and they most of the time want it _right now_ with less effort as possible, because they want to entertain themselves, not work, as they possibly just came home from work to settle down a bit.

[FockerTheLopper]

I believe in the theory that not the majority of the population are idiots/stupid, but just lazy turds. most people just don't care to find the 'good' music, so they take a) what they know, b) what they can easily access or c) what people will give them/tell them to buy, because they can't/don't want to sacrifice much of their time/effort for entertainment. I also think that's a big point of entertainment, it has to be easily accessible to be mass compatible, because 'how can be something entertaining if you have to put in work to make it out'? most people simply want to enjoy music as a piece of entertainment, and they most of the time want it _right now_ with less effort as possible, because they want to entertain themselves, not work, as they possibly just came home from work to settle down a bit.
Not true, alot of pop songs are catchy.

[tapioca]

Not true, alot of pop songs are catchy.
:confused: did you actually read my post? where did I claim that pop songs aren't catchy? the condition of being easily accessible can also refer to the music itself, not only the cds being easily to find in any music store, but also the songs being easily to grasp and understand, thus being 'catchy'.

[moogoogaipan]

I'm guilty of liking Pop music, not American pop mind you. Just jpop and kpop...
I have the broadest musical taste. From Hip-hop to country, If it's constructed well I'll listen. So there is that point...

The radio is partly guilty for this mass media of crap. If the popular stations would quit playing the same damn songs over and over again, then people who were too lazy to buy CDs would get to hear some music that they had never heard.

[Hammerheart]

music is emotional, as it should be. but are you not being an idiot by not understanding what i mean? we dont wanna hear about how the band members brokeup with there girlfriend. or in metals case the exact same thing, except with bigger words and they have a scream instead of a crappy voice

apparently you've never heard of a little genre called "power metal".

[Fatal-Division]

:( no like blastbeats?
i have rather fond memories of their application :)
but then I suppose what im thinking of isnt really a blast beat...its a half time...blast beat..kinda like..too fast punk

im gonna take a middle road..admittedly..blast beats are the simplest beats you can invest in...and...require no thought to do..aside from <u>maybe</u> needing to ponder where one should place them....they are fun at times...and besides...<u>most</u> drummers don't use them tooo often....ok...maybe...alot of them do...I dunno..I kinda like em :) oh and you can sit back Mr Thread starter...ill explain them....

hit your hihat/ride/china/crash at the exact same time you hit your bass drum and snare drum and basically try to speed that pattern up as much as possible

oh and hammer heart...your metal analogy was amsuing but inccorect

in gore metal's case its how they had sex with their dead girlfriend
in black metal's case its how they sacrificed their girlfriend to satan
in metalcores case its how they dont neex their girlfriend anymore
in power metal's case its how their girlfriends joined the zombies and how they grooved togeher
in nu metal's case its just what you said
in grindcore's case its..well...who the hell knows what grindcore bands are talking about

and..that pretty much covers it :)

happy late halloween

[FockerTheLopper]

apparently you've never heard of a little genre called "power metal".
Exactly, singing about things only five year olds would think about

[Hammerheart]

Exactly, singing about things only five year olds would think about

You're an idiot.

[FockerTheLopper]

You're an idiot.
Come on you know you wanted to laugh

[Hammerheart]

Come on you know you wanted to laugh

The only thing I laughed at was you comparing Burzum to Kreator or Opeth.

[FockerTheLopper]

The only thing I laughed at was you comparing Burzum to Kreator or Opeth.
The comidic sense hath not been incorperated from thouths sentence. Art thou has been comparing thys sentences althougth this death metal genre of music has not been a favorite of thys.

Come on power metal boy, outdo that

[Hammerheart]

The comidic sense hath not been incorperated from thouths sentence. Art thou has been comparing thys sentences althougth this death metal genre of music has not been a favorite of thys.

Come on power metal boy, outdo that

I hardly listen to any power metal except Edguy. GJ.

[FockerTheLopper]

I hardly listen to any power metal except Edguy. GJ.
Thou hathith listens to death metal, so good job to you too

[Hammerheart]

Thou hathith listens to death metal, so good job to you too

Death metal is amazing.

[FockerTheLopper]

Death metal is amazing.
In what ways?

[Hammerheart]

In what ways?

that it sounds good to my ears.

that's what music is about, right?

[a7xdrummer00]

You guys are ignorant, learn to respect all aspects of music. Saying blast beats are useless is the DUMBEST and more IGNORANT thing I've heard all day. Everyone has their own style, get over it. Telling people what should and shouldn't be used takes away so much reputation. I don't care how many posts any of you have, no one should take away something from another genre. And if you didn't wanna learn how to do this stuff, why take time to post stupid insults towards death metal and blast beats?

[Double Bass Jim]

It's the other way around ^

People need to open their ears and listen, theres far more to playing then doing simple patterns at ridiculous speeds.

[Bone]

You guys are ignorant, learn to respect all aspects of music. Saying blast beats are useless is the DUMBEST and more IGNORANT thing I've heard all day. Everyone has their own style, get over it. Telling people what should and shouldn't be used takes away so much reputation. I don't care how many posts any of you have, no one should take away something from another genre. And if you didn't wanna learn how to do this stuff, why take time to post stupid insults towards death metal and blast beats?


Because so many kids see these drumemrs in these big shiny ad's, with these full page glossy spreds and big drumkits. They go and listen to these eincredibly over produced albums where the drums have been cleaned up and tool'd.

And these drummers ARE effecting what kids want to play.


These drummers though do NOT display musical creativity. The music is being PRODUCED. It's MADE TO SELL.

Not made to be musical.

Further more.. the drumming esspeccially has become in these genere's not about musicality but a method to vent anger. Hitting things as fast as you or as hard as you can.

Metal sticks, face masks, gloves.. it's not about music. It's about releasing fustration in a very barbaric way.

Tama is THE brand for the metal drummers. What is Tama's slogan? The STRONGEST Name In Drums.


What the **** does strength have to do with drums?

[Double Bass Jim]

Ohh the young and impressionable....

[Hammerheart]

Because so many kids see these drumemrs in these big shiny ad's, with these full page glossy spreds and big drumkits. They go and listen to these eincredibly over produced albums where the drums have been cleaned up and tool'd.

And these drummers ARE effecting what kids want to play.


These drummers though do NOT display musical creativity. The music is being PRODUCED. It's MADE TO SELL.

Not made to be musical.

Further more.. the drumming esspeccially has become in these genere's not about musicality but a method to vent anger. Hitting things as fast as you or as hard as you can.

Metal sticks, face masks, gloves.. it's not about music. It's about releasing fustration in a very barbaric way.

Tama is THE brand for the metal drummers. What is Tama's slogan? The STRONGEST Name In Drums.


What the **** does strength have to do with drums?

............. is all I can say to that.

Death metal is definitley made to sell, right. :lol:

[Bone]

Aparently it is.

Take a gander at any drumming forum. This one, Pearl, etc


Why is double bass, blast beats, joey jordison, flo, etc the most talked about subject? And "how can i improve my double bass?" the most asked question.

Figure that one out smarty.

[MNdrummer21]

Why is it that as soon as something such as metal or blast beats become mainstream or popular, people who dont like it have to act like they are above everyone else and say it sucks. I think you should just let everyone do their own thing instead of criticizing something if you dont like it.

[Hammerheart]

Aparently it is.

Take a gander at any drumming forum. This one, Pearl, etc


Why is double bass, blast beats, joey jordison, flo, etc the most talked about subject? And "how can i improve my double bass?" the most asked question.

Figure that one out smarty.

Death metal doesn't sell that much, period. What sells right now is hardcore/metalcore not death metal.

BTW, Slipknot isn't death metal.

edit:

Is it neccesary for you to be such a prick to anyone who doesn't have the exact same view as yours?

[Bone]

Death metal doesn't sell that much, period. What sells right now is hardcore/metalcore not death metal.

BTW, Slipknot isn't death metal.



Is it neccesary for you to be such a prick to anyone who doesn't have the exact same view as yours?


Igonorance in point.


I never said "death metal". I never said Slipknot was death metal. I said metal music in general.


Some of us actually want to see the instrument expanded in a musical way. Watching kids who haven't even got the basics of playing down so gun-ho about how to play some absurdly simple pattern as fast as they can does not do this.

If nothing else, it's detrimental. I've seen the effects myself, from injuries to kids simply giving up. They become so inammered with an idea and ideal that is anything but what playing ANY instrument is about that it's sickening.

[styler]

People need to open their ears and listen, theres far more to playing then doing simple patterns at ridiculous speeds.

bam...also....bone is king...

[Hammerheart]

Igonorance in point.


I never said "death metal". I never said Slipknot was death metal. I said metal music in general.


Some of us actually want to see the instrument expanded in a musical way. Watching kids who haven't even got the basics of playing down so gun-ho about how to play some absurdly simple pattern as fast as they can does not do this.

If nothing else, it's detrimental. I've seen the effects myself, from injuries to kids simply giving up. They become so inammered with an idea and ideal that is anything but what playing ANY instrument is about that it's sickening.

But we're talking about blast beats which are most commonly used in black/death metal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Who are you to decide why people should play an instrument? I always thought the point of playing an instrument was to have fun. Maybe I was mistaken.

[Win A Rabbit]

Who are you to decide why people should play an instrument? I always thought the point of playing an instrument was to have fun. Maybe I was mistaken.
I've seen the effects myself, from injuries to kids simply giving up.


Bone for pres' 2008.

[styler]

Bone for pres' 2008.
hes got my vote

[chickensandwiches]

you guys are all talkin bout how commercial music is affecting new drummers...
if perhaps you hadnt noticed death metal and grindcore, which are the genres that most use blast beats, are predominately underground...to this date i have never seen a death metal band go really public

there are exceptions to the rule ex: cannibal corpse, slayer, pantera

im not saying that being varied in your playing is bad, but so many drummers start drumming because of thier favorite band, so most likely theyd wanna play what the band plays. and if its a death metal band theyll probably wanna learn blast beats. at a later time once they are over the excitement of starting to drum
1.theyll either expand thier drumming once they have had more experiance and knowledge, no longer constrained by the same excitement to play exactly like thier fav. band
or
2. just quit when they find out they wont be able to play good without putting more work and effort into something other than blast beats

[chickensandwiches]

Because so many kids see these drumemrs in these big shiny ad's, with these full page glossy spreds and big drumkits. They go and listen to these eincredibly over produced albums where the drums have been cleaned up and tool'd.

And these drummers ARE effecting what kids want to play.


These drummers though do NOT display musical creativity. The music is being PRODUCED. It's MADE TO SELL.

Not made to be musical.

Further more.. the drumming esspeccially has become in these genere's not about musicality but a method to vent anger. Hitting things as fast as you or as hard as you can.

Metal sticks, face masks, gloves.. it's not about music. It's about releasing fustration in a very barbaric way.

Tama is THE brand for the metal drummers. What is Tama's slogan? The STRONGEST Name In Drums.


What the **** does strength have to do with drums?
your talking about slipknot there boy-O and plainly said slipknot shouldnt even come into this conversation
they are NOT music nor will they ever
they are not death metal and they should be pimp slapped with a well warmed up pimp hand

[firefoxzero]

I've read a few pages of this thread and just decided to write a bit about the gravity blast because I don't know if anyone has (except bone with the encyclopedia bit).

If anyone read the encyclopedia definition of the gravity blast, you'll see that if mentions using the rim of the snare as a fulcrum to double the amount of snare hits. This is the only difference, I've seen it done too by my mate, it's pretty cool.

I'd practise resting half the stick on the snare rim and messing about until you can get a rapid loud bounce going on, try messing about with the ways of holding the stick as I'm not sure if the normal matched grip is the most efficient way to do this either.

Here is the gravity blast tabbed out.

HHx_x_x_x_x_x_x_x_
S_ooooooooooooooo
B_o_o_o_o o_o_o_o

[Bone]

I only see two types of drummers in advertisements in Modern Drummer.

Metal Drummers and Session Players. Occasionally the a rock guy. But it never fails to see at least 3 or 4 metal drummers in some Tama or Ahead ad. I see more metal drummers in more ad's then I see any other kind of popular genere player.

It's the season of course, I can look through the years and see the trends change. It's in a metal trend at the moment.. it will move on and hopefully to bigger and better things for kids to be enammered with.


How rad would that be to see kids running around going "how can I play like Vinnie?!"

[TTTSNB]

I only see two types of drummers in advertisements in Modern Drummer.

Metal Drummers and Session Players. Occasionally the a rock guy. But it never fails to see at least 3 or 4 metal drummers in some Tama or Ahead ad. I see more metal drummers in more ad's then I see any other kind of popular genere player.

It's the season of course, I can look through the years and see the trends change. It's in a metal trend at the moment.. it will move on and hopefully to bigger and better things for kids to be enammered with.


How rad would that be to see kids running around going "how can I play like Vinnie?!"
I think that way. :)