Neil er Mike

[xX_selkiesteo_Xx]

Its simple, who do you think is better, Mike Portnoy, or Neil Peart???

JW... cuz my friend asked me that yesterday cuz he was reading something that said mike portnoy might be the best ever er sumpin, and i was JW what you guys think

[Ill Mitch]

Well, considering Peart was Portnoy's major influence and therefore most of his ideas branch from Peart, we can assume that Neil is a better player. Plus, Peart was a huge innovator at the time, and Portnoy seems to get repetitive. Not to mention all the lyrical work, and even extra percussion work Peart does.

[Finch88]

peart fool

[puppet.master]

personally i just like portnoy better buz dt is more my style of music

[LoneStarDrummer]

peart is an extremely talented man. his drumming imo has more inovation and originality than portney's.

[nzrocker]

I don't think Mike Portnoy is the best ever anything. He's a really great drummer, but I just think that Peart is a lot more interesting and cleaner around the kit.

[billdrum]

Peart's work shows much more imagination and creativity in creating parts than Portnoy. I'd have to go with Neil, but he also was at his peak when I was in my development as a drummer, so I'm probably biased.

[Aaron]

both are good drummers, however I prefer peart because he's, like others have said, groundbreaking and has influenced alot. also i find him as a personally motivational person when you look at his life; he's gone through tough times and got through it which i respect

[LoneStarDrummer]

i wish i was related to peart. he seems like a smart man. even if it was just to talk to him, i bet talking it would be interesting.

[beaker_747]

Not to mention all the lyrical work, and even extra percussion work Peart does.
Ahem... and Portnoy doesn't?

Portnoy has described the majority of his own style as being simplified. He's a very straight-up single stroke player, not delving into a huge amount of rudiments.

[Double Bass Jim]

Ahem... and Portnoy doesn't?
Portnoys lyrics are pretty pale compared to pearts writing, look at the songs peart has wrote, pretty unbelivble. All of his lyrics are intelligent and have a deep meaning.

As far as the two players? Peart no question the man has done so much for drumming it's unbelivble. Mike will always be the "wanna-be" peart.

There really no comparison at all, no one really plays like peart. Sit down and try to capture the peart feel and how he plays shows you how great the guy really is.

[beaker_747]

Indeed. He does own. When I'm down on inspiration, I always watch Peart's solo from Rush in Rio.

ZING!!

[Double Bass Jim]

If you ever get a chance read his books, very inspiring stuff.

Pearts live work is where he REALLY shines, he plays perfect live.

Only time I ever saw him make a mistake was years ago on the counterparts tour. He caught a stick in one of his cowbells. I remember seeing him through my binoculars haha, you could tell he was pissed off too. He still made the recovery perfectly without missing a single note :cool: Pearts the man.

Anyone who has the "Work in progress dvd" Ahh the warm-up routine... I swear I must have watched that over 5,000 times :lol: Great GREAT stuff.

[Skin Beater]

These threads are stupid and pointless. Nobody is "better". DRUMMING IS NOT A SPORT KIDS, IT IS NOT COMPETITIVE. MUSIC IS AN EXPRESSION OF YOURSELF, NOT A COMPETETION. STOP MAKING THESE THREADS. That is all.

[beaker_747]

Exactly. Don't play drums... play music.

[DxRocker]

Portnoy sucks as a drummer compared to others who get the same amount of credit :D

But he is very respectable, as he admits this. I have one of his clinics on video where the dude himself says: "What I physically/technically do is not that hard. I also don't try to do unbelievable technical stuff. Most of my attention as bandmember of dreamtheater goes more towards the music (the writing process, the thought behind it, the compositions, etc) then the drums."

So there. He is a great overall musician. But to place him right up there with guys like Peart is simply ridiculous. And one of the reasons why I respect Portnoy a lot is that he will agree to that. He knows very well that he doesn't compare to those people, and it's not his goal either.

Portnoy, to me, is one of the best examples of "fight with the weapons that you have".

Still, he does some very nice stuff with the limited technical abilities that he posesses. That's why he is a great musician overall.

[blujelly]

This is a harsh question. Because i like both of the ****kers...... mmmm Mike Portnoy

[Double Bass Jim]

And one of the reasons why I respect Portnoy a lot is that he will agree to that. He knows very well that he doesn't compare to those people
Yea thats exactly right, thats why I don't like to rip on mike. I went to his clinic... He's a very kind man very generous to his fans too. He answers all the questions with honesty and does admit he's not that great of a player which to me shows alot. Mikes a cool dude and uses what he has to play to his best ability.

[DxRocker]

^Yeah totally man

He's probably one of the most "down to earth" people in the business. He's just a dude making music, enjoying it and doesn't feel like he's on top of the world. It indeed feels weird and "not right" to rip on him. There's no need to either.

[Double Bass Jim]

For sure, I got alot of respect for the man.

[jalel]

He might not be the best player, but he's still more proficient than 85-90% of the drummers out there

[FockerTheLopper]

Here's what it comes down too. Peart was more creative and he probably had better hands(not for sure) Portnoy has better feet and they both has alot of focus. I think that Peart doesn't play in odd time sigs like Portnoy(not to say that peart doesn't but portnoys songs go from like 5/8 to 17/16 and other weird ones) does(dance of eternity is pretty crazy and not even hardest transactions). I'd have to go with Peart because I like rushes music more
Edit: Theres more to add to Peart but I'm just talking physically now, I just read all the posts and it wen't further then who was the better player. Personalities I'd say Portnoy because of the things I read, Neil seems too much like a robot(Peart Bot 5000, brings back good short term memories) but Mikes playing is often repetive and mechanical but I think its just as clean as Pearts, but Peart has alot more going on that you don't really notice until you try to play it, both are unbelievable though

[spike9908]

neil without a doubt. he pushed drumming to a new level, far beyond what mike could do.

[aznriceball]

wrong comparison if u ask me

[FockerTheLopper]

neil without a doubt. he pushed drumming to a new level, far beyond what mike could do.
Yeah thats another major reason that alot of people like Peart, the influence he has had on people

[Pantellica]

imagine a person with
Pearts creativity
Portnoys feet
Buddy rich's hands
cant really think of anything else...anyways that would be the best drummer
i would pay alot to see that live:p

[aznriceball]

it would be a chopfest

change portnoys feet to roddy's feet, and pool all of drummerworld.com creativity

[FockerTheLopper]

imagine a person with
Pearts creativity
Portnoys feet
Buddy rich's hands
cant really think of anything else...anyways that would be the best drummer
i would pay alot to see that live:p
Top Creativity- Peart, Carey, Copeland
Top Feet- Bonham, Portnoy, Mayer(or mayor, JoJo first name)
Top Hands- Rich, Donati, Peart, Bellson

My personal preferences

[Pantellica]

it would be a chopfest

change portnoys feet to roddy's feet, and pool all of drummerworld.com creativity
holy **** imagine all drummerworld.com creativity into one song:amaze:
i would be so emotional i would probably get an erection listening to it

[aznriceball]

^it would be hard to comprehend. probably be 2hrs long

[CDelle]

These threads are stupid and pointless. Nobody is "better". DRUMMING IS NOT A SPORT KIDS, IT IS NOT COMPETITIVE. MUSIC IS AN EXPRESSION OF YOURSELF, NOT A COMPETETION. STOP MAKING THESE THREADS. That is all.

Thread over, move on.

[FockerTheLopper]

i would be so emotional i would probably get an erection listening to it
You wouldn't be the only one

[Pantellica]

You wouldn't be the only one
hehe im sure of it

[The Fiction We Live]

Funny.. I like Jose Pasillas better than both...

... but I'll go with Portnoy because I could never get into Rush...

[2001-Lateralus]

I would go with Mike. Just because his drumming, for me, is more interesting. Plus, I'm a huge DT fan.
On a completely different note: I saw DT last night in London - it was one of the greatest gigs I have ever been to! I was sitting in the balcony (couldn't get standing), and the whole gig was just amazing and electrifying.
They do/did put on a great show.

Was anyone else there last night?

[TTTSNB]

Peart, definitely. Portnoy is a great player, but Neil totally owns him in terms of technique, creativity, and influence.

[Mapexian]

Neil....hands down

[Double Bass Jim]

Funny.. I like Jose Pasillas better than both...
Your kiddin right? Mabey mike but certainly not neil.

You have to watch peart live, it's pretty unreal how perfect he plays. Such percision and total control over the drums the best i've ever seen.

Peart, definitely. Portnoy is a great player, but Neil totally owns him in terms of technique, creativity, and influence.
For sure, especially his technique.

[DKMode]

ya man i love mike portnoy but neil peart is just ridiculous. he has incredible technique, creativity and overall ability. a more interesting comparison would have been peart to a jazz great like vinnie colaiuta.

[Drummer_Ice]

yeh seen Dream theater last night to, it was a top notch show.

i was realy like that finger touch keyboard/pad thing that judass was using. its a bit unfortunate though that they didnt play many of there own songs, i barely recognised a single one in the first hour, then of course the second hour was the album cover.

owel, still a good show

[guitar321]

Peart hands down

[bpd906]

Technically speaking, Peart owns most others. However, as far as creativity, I would suggest everyone get and then watch the Liquid Tension Experiment footage. To sit down and create those drum parts and to record them in sometimes less than two hours is simply amazing. The entire album was created, produced and recorded in less than a week. Simply amazing.

[ThugsRook]

peart vs portnoy
youre kidding right?

this isnt even a worthy question ~ its like asking whats better a twinkie or a filet mignon :rolleyes:

[Det_Nosnip]

Ahem... and Portnoy doesn't?

Portnoy has described the majority of his own style as being simplified. He's a very straight-up single stroke player, not delving into a huge amount of rudiments.

You do know that this means that an average high school snare line player probably has better chops than him, don't you? :D

[Panopticon]

Sorry for the hi-jack...but i was lookin up some info on my drum teacher (Glen Gratto) and look what i found!

"My former bandmates from J.R. Flood, guitarist Paul and organist Bob, had a new band called Bullrush, and they were still the local favorites, but they already had the best drummer around, Glen Gratto. (That summer I saw posters around the area for a concert featuring Bullrush and, by some agent's inspiration, to similarly-named bands, Mahogany Rush and...Rush. But I didn't see that show.)" - Neil Peart, Traveling Music

I didnt believe it when i saw it:amaze:

[Double Bass Jim]

You do know that this means that an average high school snare line player probably has better chops than him, don't you?
Haha so true.

Technically speaking, Peart owns most others. However, as far as creativity, I would suggest everyone get and then watch the Liquid Tension Experiment footage. To sit down and create those drum parts and to record them in sometimes less than two hours is simply amazing. The entire album was created, produced and recorded in less than a week. Simply amazing.
I've got it, while it is good playing it's still nothing on the level of what peart has done.

[Massik Kretal]

Sorry for the hi-jack...but i was lookin up some info on my drum teacher (Glen Gratto) and look what i found!



[/I]I didnt believe it when i saw it:amaze:

I still dont. :lol: Your the same guy that said that Peart and James Hetfield walked into your store asking for the same thing, forgot what it was.

I cant believe you man. :lol:

By the way, Peart is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times better than Portnoy.

[Panopticon]

lmao hey read the website...
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/tours/73summer_story.htm
Theres also a post from another guy saying sort of the same thing in a thread from a long time ago.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4978610 Page 2...post number 45

[The Fiction We Live]

Your kiddin right? Mabey mike but certainly not neil.

You have to watch peart live, it's pretty unreal how perfect he plays. Such percision and total control over the drums the best i've ever seen.

For sure, especially his technique.

Don't get me wrong... I completely respect and admire both Peart and Portnoy. I recognize that they are unreal musicians and are incredible at their music. However, they both really aren't my style of music, neither band really gets me going. Jose Pasillas is my favorite drummer with his band and his style (plus Peart was onw of his main influences I believe). The phrase I wrote was much to general. I enjoy listening to the drumming in Rush and Dream Theater... but I can never truly get in the music. Incubus is jut my cup o' tea and it enjoy listening to them.

[Double Bass Jim]

Ahh I see, just not your flavor then.

I didnt mean any offense by the comment :cool:

And yea you can hear some peartisims in joses playing, he tunes up pretty high like em' too.

[The Fiction We Live]

Well you had a right to call me out, what I said almost sounded like blasphemy. :lol:

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Yeah I agree with Jim. Portnoy is indeed a peart wannabe.

Peart 100%

[drumindave]

In my opinion I think Neil owns Portnoy in all aspects of drumming, but their both extremely good in context with their music. Peart also has an extremely hard feel that is unique and hard to cop while I have been able to play out Portneys parts with the same feel. Sometimes portnoy seems almost like a robot in the way he counts his parts. Peart just plays with the precision of a robot and the feel of a man.

[rohbit]

Everyone's answered this already so i'm going to go off ona a tangent.

Being someone who's just getting into Rush, I must say, Neil's playing is like a religious experience for me :D.

One thing I love is when he uses differently tuned toms and different cowbells to create a tune.
Yes, a tune!

[Double Bass Jim]

Ahh yes back when he was usin the concert toms :cool:

[Drummer-Ross-C]

Both them = Ace drummers.. Better then eachother in differnt areas.. Athough I do find listening to Dream Theater more then Rush as when i listen to Rush i'm always too concentrated on the drums because they are always like WHAAA

[GuynamedGuy]

portnoy doesn't seem like drummings his everything, i meen techniqually it might be but he said he doesn't practice very much, and thats always a bummer to hear

[Double Bass Jim]

Yea he just kinda peaked out, he's content with what he has.

[Det_Nosnip]

Technically speaking, Peart owns most others. However, as far as creativity, I would suggest everyone get and then watch the Liquid Tension Experiment footage. To sit down and create those drum parts and to record them in sometimes less than two hours is simply amazing. The entire album was created, produced and recorded in less than a week. Simply amazing.

Have you never heard of the genre of "jazz," or are you just purposefully ignoring its existence? :confused:

*sigh* I agree with Jim that Mike is a good guy, and I don't really like ragging on him either...it's just so hard to avoid it sometimes when threads like these come around. :rolleyes:

[ThugsRook]

there is no doubt that Portnoy is a good drummer, but Peart is one of the all time greats. he's up there with the best there ever was, and Peart did it with pop music. Portnoy hasnt even been around long enough and his music isnt even close to the level of Rush.

Portnoy also has a bad habit of being Mr. Emulator ~ he doesnt know if he wants to be Peart or Bonham, (or Ulrich) when he should just be Portnoy.

[DxRocker]

Portnoy also has a bad habit of being Mr. Emulator ~ he doesnt know if he wants to be Peart or Bonham, (or Ulrich) when he should just be Portnoy.

This quote wins in this thread for me :)

[Sthrudel]

Peart is such an icon that even people who don't know him praises him...

[Chrysostom]

But to place him right up there with guys like Peart is simply ridiculous. And one of the reasons why I respect Portnoy a lot is that he will agree to that.

Portnoy, to me, is one of the best examples of "fight with the weapons that you have".

Still, he does some very nice stuff with the limited technical abilities that he posesses. That's why he is a great musician overall.

One of my favourite drummers. Very musical in my eyes which is why he's in my Top 10. The fact that he'd say he shouldn't be in my Top 10 given who some of the others are, ironically makes his position in it even MORE secure. Good guy.

Also, couldn't agree more with the "fight with the weapons you have" comment. It's a shame people don't register this aspect of his drumming. People always rag on him for not being a Donati, Weckl etc. which annoys him loads, hence the lyrics to "Never Enough" from Octavarium.

[Det_Nosnip]

Ahh I see, just not your flavor then.

I didnt mean any offense by the comment :cool:

And yea you can hear some peartisims in joses playing, he tunes up pretty high like em' too.

I hear alot of Stewart Copeland in him, myself.

[Double Bass Jim]

Yea stew too, for sure.

[rohbit]

Jose has such amazing groove.

I hear he's a self taught drummer...

is that true?

[BrekelmansInAbsentia]

i lov them both with a flamming passion, but im gunna hav to say NEIL PEART mofo

[White]

See I can't answer this one (neither can any one else answer this one, its impossible, its drumming, there is no competition in it) but the main reason Why I can't really comment on this is, I admire Portnoy, I don't know much about Neil Peart as Rush isn't my kind of music, i have listened to the occasional track to check the drumming out, but I know bassically nothing of Neil Peart, but I do like Mike Portnoy more because I know more, and I look to him for motivation, and I do think that they are both amazing drummers though