Alt rock guitarist [Archive] - Music & Musician Forums

Kyle

10-25-2005, 04:21 AM

I dunno if you count the whole "grunge" thing as alternative but it is often mentioned in this forum. If you do I guess Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Mudhoney have some good guitaring.

Dinosaur Jr seems the most obvious one people have said, Smashing Pumpkins also have some awesome lead play.

Mailman

10-25-2005, 04:48 AM

Television.
Ha

Hahahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

2muchket!

10-25-2005, 05:34 AM

Depends On what you class as alternative but Muse and Arctic Monkeys are good for guitar I'd say

Anxious

10-25-2005, 05:32 PM

Speaking of Meat Puppets, I've just started to realize how much they kick ***. I got the 'Alive in the 90s' DVD for like 5 bux it's pretty cool. Got some nice Watt action on it.
I think I'll have to get that.

bassisfun

10-25-2005, 05:42 PM

the mars volta-Omar plays guitar like you wish you could

guitarded_chuck

10-25-2005, 07:08 PM

Built To Spill!

Scott Herren

10-25-2005, 07:11 PM

kevin shields

pixiesfanyo

10-25-2005, 07:15 PM

kevin shields

Anyone can make their guitar playing sound good with 600,000 dollars.

Anxious

10-25-2005, 07:17 PM

Anyone can make their guitar playing sound good with 600,000 dollars.
Its called a keyboard, lolz.

Scott Herren

10-25-2005, 07:52 PM

kevin shields
:thumb:

Sam

10-25-2005, 09:42 PM

I never saw anything super special in Kevin Shields' guitar or anything. Just pounding chords and stuff (albeit awesome chords).

tonebender

10-27-2005, 06:53 AM

Radiohead Radiohead Radiohead

headshrinker

10-27-2005, 07:13 AM

Gem Archer- what a legend alough you don't really get to see how good he is with Oasis but still a legend.

also Graham Coxen is awsome to really nervous or so it seems.

Krash100

10-27-2005, 11:29 AM

The Verve
Nick McCabe is f*ck'n amazing

I'd also pick:
Radiohead
Pearl Jam
Blur

Mailman

10-28-2005, 07:40 AM

A grunge fanboy doesn't have any right to be mocking Verlaine and Lloyd.
I wouldn't say I'm a fanboy, and I can say that if I want. Television eat scrote in my opinion, and you can go and do the same.

IHeartDisco

10-28-2005, 07:52 AM

QOTSA
Desert Sessions

Yes I am fanboy

Midnight

10-28-2005, 08:01 AM

A grunge fanboy doesn't have any right to be mocking Verlaine and Lloyd.
What are you saying, that grunge is worse than punk? What is this, genre fights now? I won't go into the genres, but don't go telling people that their music is worse than yours for no reason.

There is a reason that Television and other bands aren't widely known. I'll leave you to fill in the gaps.

Anyway, this is an alt guitar thread...

Spiritofmosa

10-28-2005, 08:20 AM

alien ant farm

Chilifanthatsme

10-28-2005, 12:20 PM

Chilis

Sam

10-28-2005, 03:01 PM

Pearl Jam is really boring, I can't front on that.

Scuba_Steve

10-28-2005, 03:10 PM

Pearl Jam is really boring, I can't front on that.

that's crazy.

Out of all the really well known grunge groups I would say pearl jam is one of the lest boring.

RollerQueen

10-28-2005, 07:51 PM

Opinions are crazy, and you're a lunatic for having one.

Bukowski

10-28-2005, 08:10 PM

Nirvana > Pearl Jam

Scott Herren

10-28-2005, 08:34 PM

What are you saying, that grunge is worse than punk? What is this, genre fights now? I won't go into the genres, but don't go telling people that their music is worse than yours for no reason.

There is a reason that Television and other bands aren't widely known. I'll leave you to fill in the gaps.

Anyway, this is an alt guitar thread...Anyone who is even moderately familiar with music outside of MTV knows who Television are. Marquee Moon is also ranked #128 on the Rolling Stone top albums of all time while no Pearl Jam album cracks the top 200. I'm sorry, either you haven't heard of them or you are just misinformed, but Television aren't underground.

Mailman

10-28-2005, 08:54 PM

Television isn't widely known because the masses can't tolerate anything that's not verse-chorus-verse and out in three minutes.

He gave no reasons for disliking Tom Verlaine, so I gave no reasons for disliking his Pearl Jam crap.
You are too caught up in being indie to notice anything vaguely in the mainstream. I might not like Television that much, but I own their album. It's not widely known because of Verlaine's annoying vocals, and because it's not really a 'punk' album and it was released in '77 with a lot of competition.

As to Scott Herren, they are liked by Rolling Stone, but as the type of mag that Rolling Stone is they would have to be. You can't use that as an aguing point, its not your opinion (unless of course you rank ever album released in the same order.) I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?

Calling me a fanboy and then refusing to accept my opinion at all on a band you like is hypocrisy at its worst. I can understand why you don't like Pearl Jam, it might be because they are too "mainstream" for you, or because Riot Act sucked, or for any other reason. You, however, can't seem to understand why I don't like Television.

Scott Herren

10-28-2005, 10:31 PM

As to Scott Herren, they are liked by Rolling Stone, but as the type of mag that Rolling Stone is they would have to be. You can't use that as an aguing point, its not your opinion (unless of course you rank ever album released in the same order.) I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?
The point wasn't that I would rank them at that spot on a list, but that they are well known enough to get a spot that high on the list, and pretty much anyone who knows anything about music has heard Marquee Moon the song if not the album. And you got into this mess looking rediculous messageboard laughing at a band.

Mailman

10-28-2005, 11:44 PM

I dislike Pearl Jam because they suck. I have no problem with the mainstream.

Don't give me your "you can't seem to understand why I don't like Television" crap. Your reason for disliking them was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA".
You still don't get it. That wasn't my reason for disliking them. What I'm saying is that you can't seem to accept that someone can not like Television, and that you are better than me for liking them. If that's your opinion, then you can go and get ****ed, but if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that. :)

Scott Herren

10-29-2005, 12:06 AM

getting ****ed is a good thing here. cultural differences?

Mailman

10-29-2005, 12:34 AM

getting ****ed is a good thing here. cultural differences?

If that's your opinion, then you can go and get ****ed, but if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that. :)

I'm sorry, did you read it properly? Honestly, if he thinks that his musical taste is so much better than mine that I can't even comment on Marquee Moon, then he can get ****ed. But as I said, "if we understand each other, then I'm ok with that."

OrbDragon

10-29-2005, 05:22 AM

Duane Denison of Jesus Lizard and Tomahawk is pretty darn underrated in my opinion.

User Name

10-29-2005, 08:24 AM

this is the only part of the forums ive heard television discussed
id say both lloyd and verlaine are both great guitarists

UncleBobbo

10-29-2005, 09:13 AM

The guy from Porcupine Tree is really good! I'd also have to agree with the Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam.

Tomahawk

10-29-2005, 12:10 PM

I suppose you agree that Dusty in Memphis by Dusty Springfield is better than Marquee Moon because it is ranked higher in RS?
I think it is. :-(

Krash100

10-29-2005, 01:54 PM

Nirvana > Pearl Jam

Cobain has nothing on Mike McCready

RollerQueen

10-29-2005, 02:42 PM

Yeah he does. He has bigger holes in his head. Silly.

Mailman

10-29-2005, 07:58 PM

I just thought your comment was a really flippant and cocky way to discredit an artist. I replied with the same.
Ok, I think we both just took it the wrong way.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 02:30 PM

Television.
...<3...

Dreww

10-30-2005, 02:50 PM

Pearl Jam has awesome guitar work.
And if you think they are boring, I am very very sorry.

Zmev

10-30-2005, 02:56 PM

Pearl Jam has awesome guitar work.
And if you think they are boring, I am very very sorry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dreww

10-30-2005, 03:39 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What is your problem? Get over yourself and your "obscure" (:rolleyes:) bands.

Scott Herren

10-30-2005, 04:01 PM

Pearl Jam isn't bad, but really doesn't belong in this thread.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 04:42 PM

If you are saying they don't have exceptional guitarists, you need to hear more Pearl Jam.

If you are saying they aren't really Alternative, I agree.

Paranoidd

10-30-2005, 04:44 PM

Jeff Buckley

Scott Herren

10-30-2005, 04:57 PM

If you are saying they don't have exceptional guitarists, you need to hear more Pearl Jam.

If you are saying they aren't really Alternative, I agree.
I have heard every Pearl Jam album through Binaural. Unless they have done something amazing since then that I am not aware of then yes, I am saying that they don't deserve mention in this thread.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 05:49 PM

Are you saying that "In Hiding" is easier to play than something like a Sonic Youth song?

Bukowski

10-30-2005, 05:52 PM

Technically? Maybe. Does Sonic Youth have far more feeling? Yes.

Technical ability is only half of being a good guitarist.

This is the truth.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 05:55 PM

Technically? Maybe. Does Sonic Youth have far more feeling? Yes.

Technical ability is only half of being a good guitarist.
I have every Sonic Youth album, and I firmly believe that Mike McCready and Stone Gossard have more feeling than Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo.

Paranoidd

10-30-2005, 06:37 PM

Every Sonic Youth album? Impressive. Most hardcore fans don't even.

They're pretty accesible to download. I'm not a hardcore fan and I have 22 of them.

Zmev

10-30-2005, 07:08 PM

What is your problem? Get over yourself and your "obscure" (:rolleyes:) bands.

Someone didn't get my comment.

Paranoidd

10-30-2005, 07:32 PM

22 down, about 47 to go.

Well, I have these, and a few more:

SONIC YOUTH 1982 Neutral/Zensor
CONFUSION IS SEX 1983 Neutral/Zensor
SONIC DEATH 1984 Ecstatic Peace!
BAD MOON RISING 1985 Homestead/Blast First
EVOL 1986 SST/Blast First
SISTER 1987 SST/Blast First
DAYDREAM NATION 1988 Enigma/Blast First
THE WHITEY ALBUM 1989 Enigma/Blast First
GOO 1990 DGC/Geffen
DIRTY 1992 DGC/Geffen
EXPERIMENTAL JET SET, TRASH AND NO STAR 1994 DGC/Geffen
SCREAMING FIELDS OF SONIC LOVE 1995 DGC/Geffen
MADE IN USA 1995 Rhino
WASHING MACHINE 1995 DGC/Geffen
A THOUSAND LEAVES 1998 DGC/Geffen
SYR4: GOODBYE 20th CENTURY 1999 SYR
NYC GHOSTS & FLOWERS 2000 Geffen
MURRAY STREET 2002 Geffen

Sam

10-30-2005, 09:06 PM

Technically? Maybe. Does Sonic Youth have far more feeling? Yes.

Technical ability is only half of being a good guitarist.

Not so much feeling as it is originality and innovation on SY's part.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:08 PM

Every Sonic Youth album? Impressive. Most hardcore fans don't even.
I am a hardcore fan. To be fair though, I don't have the Kill Yr Idols EP, but unless it has amazing guitar work, I will stand by my statement that Pearl Jam has the better guitar team. Not only in technical ability but in terms of emotional expression.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:11 PM

Different strokes for different folks. It's totally subjective really and childish to argue about.

Sam

10-30-2005, 09:13 PM

It's not childish to argue about. That's why theres a forum: so people can argue.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:16 PM

Not when it's something as subjective as who you think is more emotional. If we were talking about influence or impact on the world of guitar playing, then we could argue. Who the fucck are you to tell me Pearl Jam's guitar work is nothing special? Who the fucck am I to tell you Sonic Youth's guitar work is nothing special?

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:27 PM

To each his own. Personally, I don't like trying to get a rise out of people and stir **** up.

YDload

10-30-2005, 09:30 PM

To each his own. Personally, I don't like trying to get a rise out of people and stir **** up.

Then you'd better stop having opinions which are different than other people's, because that's the only way out.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:33 PM

Then you'd better stop having opinions which are different than other people's, because that's the only way out.
You can have opinions without telling other people that their's are ****.

YDload

10-30-2005, 09:34 PM

You can have opinions without telling other people that their's are ****.

Not on THIS forum.

Also, my fav. is Brad Nowell from Sublime.

Dreww

10-30-2005, 09:35 PM

Not on THIS forum.

Also, my fav. is Brad Nowell from Sublime.
Your opinion is sh!t. ;)

Sam

10-30-2005, 09:37 PM

I'm mad Sublime is popular, because they don't suck.

alan_pfeifer

10-30-2005, 09:49 PM

I really like the guitarist from Dredg....but his name escapes me. Omar's been mentioned many times already, so I'll say he's a BIG fave of mine, as is Mike Enzinger of Incubus and Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead.

also: whoever plays guitars for Sigur Ros and GY!BE.

rubyseyes

11-05-2005, 10:33 PM

you should definetely take a look at smashing pumpkins. and a few rhcp.

Dissectional88

11-06-2005, 09:02 AM

Bernard Sumner when he was in Joy Division has the best style, but thats just my opinion. I dont even know if Joy Division is considered Alternative. Post Punk was the alternative in the late 7o's though, right?

rossini

11-06-2005, 12:41 PM

larry lalonde from primus, he had lesson with joe satch and he's just got a crazy weird sound. he's actually really good, but choses to play weird stuff which is cool.

listen to tommy the cat, frizzle fry and southpound pachyderm