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Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 04:17 PM

On SuperShadow.com, a site approved by George Lucas, someone asks him this in an interview.

You said that it would be ten years or more till the next movie, however; would you consider filming all three together in one sitting and releasing them one at a time every three years.

It seems that this will allow you to consider using old cast members to play their aged former roles and the new fans like my niece and nephew won't have to wait till they are in their mid 20's to see a Star Wars movie again on the big screen and they will still be interested in the toys as they grow up. I appreciate your thoughts and I can’t wait for the DVD release on Nov. 1! I have my seven copies reserved for all my family and a copy to collect. - CW

And Lucas said...

You need to direct your second question to SuperShadow because he has complete control over what happens with Episode 7 to 9. It‘s all on him. Shadow wants a long break in between the prequels and the sequels because he wants to give the next trilogy to a new generation of fans. This tactic worked out well for the prequels.

I waited over fifteen years in between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace. This worked brilliantly as The Phantom Menace has become the most popular Star Wars film I have ever made. If Shadow wanted to start work on Episode 7 tomorrow, I would support his decision, but I don‘t expect that to happen. Shadow is an unparalleled genius who follows his vision. Shadow is always right about everything. He never gets anything wrong ever.

Is he implying that there will be Episodes 7, 8, and 9? Because I've read the plots for them, and they sound amazing.

Scoot

10-21-2005, 04:19 PM

No.

He denied it in another interview.

Relmar

10-21-2005, 04:20 PM

I don't know, I never really liked the prequels. The original 3 were the only decent ones.

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 04:20 PM

No.

He denied it in another interview.

I know he denied it, but if you go on the Star Wars forums, a lot of people think he may actually be doing it.

Scoot

10-21-2005, 04:20 PM

I know he denied it, but if you go on the Star Wars forums, a lot of people think he may actually be doing it.

But do these people have any sources besides their own opinion?

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 04:26 PM

But do these people have any sources besides their own opinion?

Many of these people are Star Wars experts. I don't know what their sources are.

Iskandar

10-21-2005, 04:32 PM

He isn't making any more. There's nothing else to say - no more story left to tell. Episode III tied up everything the best it could.

Kool Aid

10-21-2005, 04:33 PM

Many of these people are Star Wars experts. I don't know what their sources are.

Does that mean they know George Lucas personally?

If not, then no.

Special Brew

10-21-2005, 04:34 PM

He said HE wouldn't make 7-9, but SuperShadow is now controlling them. i think...

Iskandar

10-21-2005, 04:38 PM

He said HE wouldn't make 7-9, but SuperShadow is now controlling them. i think...
Balls. SuperShadow controls nothing. Whatever he or it is, it has too much times on his/its hands.

Liberi Fatali

10-21-2005, 04:56 PM

I wouldn't put much trust in what George Lucas says, he has a tendency to go back on his words. He has been saying he is going to make artsy movies that nobody else likes for decades now, yet he has never really done so.

However I highly doubt he will make another episode in the Star Wars, nor should he.

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 05:14 PM

Well the story is far from over. Episode III didn't tie it all up at all. I know the stories for the next three Episodes, and they're awesome.

And after Lucas kicks the bucket, SuperShadow will be in charge of the Star Wars saga. So if Lucas doesn't make another, SuperShadow may.

And Liberi is right, he goes back on his word all the time.

EightMilesHigh

10-21-2005, 05:14 PM

Episode III tied up everything the best it could.

Exactly. There's nothing more to do. I don't think they're gonna be making more.

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 05:22 PM

Exactly. There's nothing more to do. I don't think they're gonna be making more.

There's much more to do.

When ROTJ ends, it seems like the galaxy is at peace again, but Dark Jedi are out cloning Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. 7, 8, and 9 feature Anakin Solo, Ben Skywalker, Mara Jade, and such. Luke is the head of the Jedi Order, where he is stationed at Cloud City, and after Episode 9, that's when there is really peace completely restored to the galaxy.

Tillius

10-21-2005, 05:25 PM

He made it clear that there would be no more star wars movies.

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 05:32 PM

He made it clear that there would be no more star wars movies.

Like a few of us said, he has been known to go back on his word.

Pop music sucks

10-21-2005, 05:50 PM

I highly doubt there's gonna be another Star Wars live-action movie.

Or should I say CGI action.

PunkinDonuts

10-21-2005, 06:51 PM

Episodes 7 8 and 9 are going to be done by Walt Disney in 20 years when they unfreeze him. The scripts are frozen along with his body, along with rare photos of Carrie Fisher in that metal bikini from Return of the Jedi.

PunkinDonuts

10-21-2005, 06:52 PM

Like a few of us said, [George] has been known to go back on his word.

"You have my word, the prequels will be as good as the original Star Wars"

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Iskandar

10-21-2005, 07:27 PM

There's much more to do.

When ROTJ ends, it seems like the galaxy is at peace again, but Dark Jedi are out cloning Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. 7, 8, and 9 feature Anakin Solo, Ben Skywalker, Mara Jade, and such. Luke is the head of the Jedi Order, where he is stationed at Cloud City, and after Episode 9, that's when there is really peace completely restored to the galaxy.
Um. If you believe that, you're really, really stupid.

It sounds like this vague "SuperShadow" person just pulled names from the Expanded Universe books and created fictional plots for nonexistent new episodes.

Lionheart1827

10-21-2005, 07:27 PM

Hello! My name's Jack. I'd like to start by saying I consider you one of the best directors in history, which I’m sure everyone does. Also, I’m sure you've had about a million people say this to you, but if you need any extras to be Jedi or Dark Jedi in Episode 7, I've been in several plays and I’m better than most people with a light saber.

George Lucas: I‘m not going to have much personal involvement with the next trilogy. It‘s all up to SuperShadow. I‘m just supplying the basic story idea. The scripts and everything else will be handled by SuperShadow.

Maybe there will be a next trilogy, just Lucas isn't going to make it.:thumb:

Iskandar

10-21-2005, 07:33 PM

This "SuperShadow" character seems sketchy. No real name, no cinema credentials, just an Internet personality. Probably a hoax.

rockgod90

10-21-2005, 07:33 PM

Is he implying that there will be Episodes 7, 8, and 9? Because I've read the plots for them, and they sound amazing.
whered you read them?

infinate_ammo

10-21-2005, 08:08 PM

I think Star Wars is completely wrapped up and don't want anymore made. It could never be the same. 4,5,6 show how bad Vader was and how he fell and 1,2,3 show how Vader become so emo. If they are gonna make more they will just suck because no Vader.

bassplayer18

10-21-2005, 09:53 PM

the last three star wars movies sucked ***

PowerStamp

10-21-2005, 10:18 PM

When Lucas made the movies )first trilogy) and started with Episode 4, he said there were 9 movies in total.
When he made the second trilogy he said yes there were 3 more but he wasn't sure if he'd finish them or not.
With the incredible success of Ep.3 I think it's a possibility

bradc1988

10-21-2005, 10:44 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing another 3 come out, but the quality will probably be the same as the 3 just released which aint that good. The originals were excellent, you watch one and you have to watch the others. They were great movies that I don't think will ever be matched by anymore installmants. Hm.....

Special Brew

10-21-2005, 11:32 PM

Tails

10-21-2005, 11:42 PM

The problem with the SW movies is that 4-6 seemed very mature and meant for an adult audience, while the 1-3 seemed to be geared more towards a much younger crowd. I was very impressed with the Episode 3, because i was expecting it to be horrible since 1-2 were so bad.

They are all good movies, but the newer ones are crap in comparison to the old episodes.

4-6 were meant to be movies the whole family could see.

Lucas was just smart and hired outsiders to write and direct ESB and ROTJ and that's why they turned out so well.

If he hires the team that did ESB, I'd gladly go see some sequels.

Anakin Skywalker

10-21-2005, 11:58 PM

Um. If you believe that, you're really, really stupid.

It sounds like this vague "SuperShadow" person just pulled names from the Expanded Universe books and created fictional plots for nonexistent new episodes.

Noo...

And even if you read all the books, it goes in this story, too.

DeusExMachina

10-22-2005, 01:15 AM

Shadow is an unparalleled genius who follows his vision. Shadow is always right about everything. He never gets anything wrong ever.
That doesn't sound like something George Lucas would say at all. It sounds like a load of BS. "Shadow is an unparalleled genius?" Who the hell is shadow? Sounds like a hoax to me.

BJ_maddog

10-22-2005, 01:29 AM

Just google supershadow, and you'll find it is all bs.

+3kk!

10-22-2005, 01:35 AM

after 1, 2, 3 you people still want another star wars? the franchise lost its touch and lucas is just trying to milk his money cow.

infinate_ammo

10-22-2005, 02:44 AM

I think 1, 2 and 3 were great films. I don't know why everyone hates them.

Pop music sucks

10-22-2005, 03:10 AM

Phantom Menace sucks!

It's so childish it's not even funny. The only redeeming part of that movie was the final Darth Maul fight. The Pod Race was entertaining.

Doctor Night

10-22-2005, 03:12 AM

Phantom Menace sucks!

It's so childish it's not even funny. The only redeeming part of that movie was the final Darth Maul fight. The Pod Race was entertaining.

The Phantom Menace wa the best out of the first three!

/You are on drugs

+3kk!

10-22-2005, 04:16 AM

I think 1, 2 and 3 were great films. I don't know why everyone hates them.

terrible story, terrible acting, teribble dialog, anakin and pamedala rolling in some fields for the whole mid-section of prt 2, r2-d2 having more gadgets then inspector gadget, jar jar binks, stupid characters ( yoda was er........terrible, the whole theater was laughing at him trying that kung fu pose ) , idiotic force concepts ( omg i've been turned to the dark side i've lost all my rasional thought and i kill the person i wanted to save ), vader doind the gay "nnooooooo" , a planet and a goverment getting owned by a trade federation without any defence...................................there are more but the movie sucked bad nuff said

4,5,6 , is still the best and star wars should be left alone

+3kk!

10-22-2005, 04:20 AM

Pop music sucks

10-22-2005, 04:30 AM

+3kk!

10-22-2005, 04:36 AM

Well, the "Noooo" I could understand, as the Darth Vader was still hot-headed Anakin. He wasn't deathly cool as he was in the originals.

He just woke up from an operation that saved his life, but he realized that he killed his wife, he thought he killed his twins, and the whole "joining the Dark Side to save Padme" was for nothing. But, instead of "Noooooooo", it should've been an anguished scream.

i understand it too but it sounds gay. anakin and the dark side thing is kinda stupid, he changes from a hot-headed anakin with some rasional thought to a insane anakin with no rasional thought in like 1 second? untill he can go on kill ing sprees?

Pop music sucks

10-22-2005, 04:39 AM

Well, he did force choke Padme.

Damrod

10-22-2005, 05:21 AM

The only one of the prequels that was mildly entertaining IMO was Episode II, but only because of the Clone Wars sequences. I never watched Episode I as a whole as I always fall asleep when they are on Tatooine, and the "Hm, I'm the moral Jedi, but... oh, someone talks to me, gotta turn to the Dark side" of Episode III was so weak...

Lucas should have had less money making and more good movie making in his mind when he did the prequels. I hope he does not do another Star Wars movie.

If more movies are to come, I doubt Lucas will do em, he's getting too old, and his stories start to suck arse

guitarded_chuck

10-22-2005, 08:33 AM

They should have stuck with the original three. I'd consider another trilogy to be completely selling out on Lucus' part.

Solar

10-22-2005, 08:35 AM

Supershadow is absolute crap, I know this for a fact.

/thread

PinkFloydFan082692

10-22-2005, 09:14 AM

The Phantom Menace wa the best out of the first three!

/You are on drugs

No, you are, Phantom Menace was the dumbest of all six! Jar Jar was dumb, and it was to much talking, not enough fighting, and how did they have double bladed lightsabers 50 years before a one bladed lightsaber that is super heavy, that's just dumb. I also heard rumors of people remaking the original movies. I despise that idea.

andyhainey

10-22-2005, 11:10 AM

meh, i dont really like star warsm tho i am guilty for completing episode 3 on ps2 in 2 days :p

bradc1988

10-22-2005, 11:13 AM

It is true the first three were not very good. The acting was terrible apart from Obi Wan who was good. I would agree with someone who said those scenes between Anakin and the Queen were terrible. Jar Jar Binks was annoying but wasn't that bad. The first 3 had their moments but overall the story and acting just sucked. They had so much potential and IMO they were ruined.

ZaaR

10-22-2005, 11:14 AM

I heard he was making a movie about Yoda, and about his whole species and such.

el doctor

10-22-2005, 11:30 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperShadow

Iskandar

10-22-2005, 03:47 PM

Noo...

And even if you read all the books, it goes in this story, too.
No, it doesn't at all.

I've read some of the books. The scripts for these supposed "new episodes" contradict them. Therefore, these scripts are false.

Lucas can't make new films because the story after the end of the movie saga has already been told. He would have nothing to do but make film adaptations of books (probably Timothy Zahn's trilogy).

Furthermore, if you knew anything about writing scripts, you'd realize that those "scripts" don't follow proper format at all and seem akin to LiveJournal blurting by a 13-year old.

clown_phobia

10-22-2005, 07:09 PM

What are the plots for them?

Grego1985

10-31-2005, 08:25 AM

OMG are some of you here retarded? Lucas is never going to give over the SW Universe to this fool Super Shadow. The man is a moron and he is a complete Internet hoax we discuss him quite abit on the another forum i go. We all think he is a joke. He has no ties to Lucas or Star Wars at all. Lucas has said offically thought that he making going to be making a TV series of event between ROTS and A New Hope focusing on different characters each week.

Stop this nonsense about SuperShadow do not visit his site again he is a idiot and deserves to die....

Lionheart1827

10-31-2005, 10:28 AM

No, you are, Phantom Menace was the dumbest of all six! Jar Jar was dumb, and it was to much talking, not enough fighting, and how did they have double bladed lightsabers 50 years before a one bladed lightsaber that is super heavy, that's just dumb. I also heard rumors of people remaking the original movies. I despise that idea.

Back in that time period of the storyline, Jedis were all over the place, in 4, 5, and 6, Jedi was nearly extinct, plus darth maul was a crazy sith bastad.:thumb:

Arcarsenal Ghost

10-31-2005, 10:29 AM

Supershadow is an obsessed star wars loser and george lucas has no affiliation with him.
He makes up so much bull****.

Pop music sucks

10-31-2005, 05:15 PM

SuperShadow claims to have a cameo in Episode III starring as a Jedi Knight named "Nebar Foxis." In the "Brief History of the Jedi and Sith," a historical account posted on his site, "Nebar Foxis" is described as "the best looking male Jedi of his time. Suttle did not appear in the film. He previously stated that his part was deleted.":lol:

Mr.Shankly

10-31-2005, 08:06 PM

I wish they never made the first three episodes, anything with Jar Jar Binks should be burned...and that kid who playes aniken...i wish he would fall off a cliff (both of them)

Paranoidd

10-31-2005, 08:18 PM

terrible story, terrible acting, teribble dialog, anakin and pamedala rolling in some fields for the whole mid-section of prt 2, r2-d2 having more gadgets then inspector gadget, jar jar binks, stupid characters ( yoda was er........terrible, the whole theater was laughing at him trying that kung fu pose ) , idiotic force concepts ( omg i've been turned to the dark side i've lost all my rasional thought and i kill the person i wanted to save ), vader doind the gay "nnooooooo" , a planet and a goverment getting owned by a trade federation without any defence...................................there are more but the movie sucked bad nuff said

4,5,6 , is still the best and star wars should be left alone

bingo

not to mention that part of the marvel of the original trilogy was the special effects. they tried to recreate the same awe-inspiring visuals in the prequels, but simply failed because it was completely overblown. i felt like i was watching a cartoon, and it totally ruined it for me.

Also, as has been stated, there are LUCAS SANCTIONED books that go years into the future (the farthest one I can think of is the "Corellian Trilogy," which takes place something like 22 years after Yavin.) Han Solo and Leia and married and have 3 kids. Lucas cannot dispute the extended star wars universe, because he sanctioned it all.

Also, supershadow.com is a bloody joke site, anybody who believes that stuff is on serious drugs.

George Lucas: How sad. You are so poor that $ 5,000 dollars seems like a lot of money to you. I make more cash in a second than you will ever earn in a trillion life times. I doubt you are intelligent enough to know how to download Revenge of the Sith from the Net and distribute it to your friends. In fact, I bet you have a difficult time finding your way out of the bed in the morning. You are as incompetent as they come. I really do pity you and your useless existence.

riiiiiiiiiiight. jeez, some of you will believe anything.

telemore

10-31-2005, 08:21 PM

Would it really be that bad if someone else made the next ones, if there are even more to be? I mean, the original trilogy, great, but flawed, but nonetheless, great. The Prequel trilogy...come on, that's crap. And a Sequel trilogy..well it might just suck worse, I say, sell the rights to someone else...what's the worst that could happen? Yea, we get Michael Bay to do it....there is no god.

telemore

10-31-2005, 08:23 PM

Phantom Menace sucks!

It's so childish it's not even funny. The only redeeming part of that movie was the final Darth Maul fight. The Pod Race was entertaining.
It was supposed to be childish, it was Lucas' way of showing how infantile life was before anakin became enticed to the dark side...I think.

EDIT: My bad. double post.

Afonzarelli

10-31-2005, 08:39 PM

I also heard rumors of people remaking the original movies. I despise that idea.
i wouldn't see those...

III was pretty good, I liked it alot, I agree that I was crap and II wasn't that great. I rank em as I<II<VI<III<IV<V

Empire Strikes Back pwned

Rusty Metal Head

11-01-2005, 03:53 AM

hmmm
*goes to supershadow.com
ah here it is
*reads the plots
Mandorlrians? werent they supposed to have died off?

hmm
*sniffs air

yep, smells like bull ****

Apocalyptic Raids

11-01-2005, 03:59 AM

Supershadow :lol::lol:

Grego1985

11-07-2005, 07:19 AM

Supershadow :lol::lol:
Thank you god, finally people see what a moron SuperShadow is, i sent him a email the other day telling him exactly what i thought of him. I mean if you read his plots and explanations of Ep3 they don't even come close to the film... The man should die a long a painful death.. Wot a dooche (sp) :rolleyes:

Eccles

11-07-2005, 07:33 AM

I read "Supershadow" and jumped straight to the reply box to laugh at anyone who bought a word of this.

There will never be episodes 7-9, it never got past a vague outline in Lucas' mind.

If you want a sequel trilogy, you'll have to read it. It's called the Thrawn Trilogy and it's written by Timothy Zahn :)

hmmm
*goes to supershadow.com
ah here it is
*reads the plots
Mandorlrians? werent they supposed to have died off?

hmm
*sniffs air

yep, smells like bull shitWell considering the entire clone army was made up of Mandalorians, I'd hazard a guess at "no"

Grego1985

11-07-2005, 07:36 AM

I read "Supershadow" and jumped straight to the reply box to laugh at anyone who bought a word of this.

There will never be episodes 7-9, it never got past a vague outline in Lucas' mind.

If you want a sequel trilogy, you'll have to read it. It's called the Thrawn Trilogy and it's written by Timothy Zahn :)

Well considering the entire clone army was made up of Mandalorians, I'd hazard a guess at "no"
Was Jango Fett a Mandalorian? You best check the data bank on the SW website...

Eccles

11-07-2005, 07:41 AM

I don't need to. He wears Mandalorian armour, he has a Mandalorian accent, he's Mandalorian.

Grego1985

11-07-2005, 07:46 AM

I don't need to. He wears Mandalorian armour, he has a Mandalorian accent, he's Mandalorian.
How the hell do you know what a Mandalorian accent sounds like? There just voices in KOTOR games which i take it which is what you are basing your assumption off. I suggest you listen to the voices properly.

Eccles

11-07-2005, 07:47 AM

Fine, Star Wars bank quote:
Jango Fett was orphaned at an early age, the son of simple Concord Dawn farmers killed by brutal marauders. At the age of ten, he was picked up by Journeyman Protector Jaster Mereel, who introduced Fett to a harsh world of mercenary life. He was raised among great warriors, learning to survive in the rugged frontiers. Though the Mandalorian supercommandos were wiped out by the Jedi Knights, Jango was one of the few left to still wear the armor.

Grego1985

11-07-2005, 08:18 AM

OK you win :lol: *bows*

Glass Onion

11-07-2005, 08:20 AM

I just don't understand how anyone can remotly fall for this thing at all. The guys using a psodium (sp?) from a Sonic the Hedgehog character, It's just silly in a not good way.

gamer3

11-07-2005, 02:49 PM

Rogue Six

11-07-2005, 11:47 PM

I think should make some Movies based on the Exploits of Rogue Squadron or something. Those would be pretty kick ***.

(*The Noonward Race*)

11-07-2005, 11:53 PM

How about having movies about the wacky, wild, zany, and even tangy adventures of Jar Jar "the wild one" Binks!

blink1822222

11-08-2005, 10:17 AM

This is untrue. Also, Jar Jar is a twat.

blink1822222

11-08-2005, 10:19 AM

I think should make some Movies based on the Exploits of Rogue Squadron or something. Those would be pretty kick ***.
Yeah, they would be kick ***, but I doubt they would make them

shadow_stalker

11-08-2005, 11:32 AM

If there is a 7, 8 and 9 George Lucas should stay the hell away from them

gamer3

11-08-2005, 12:44 PM

If there is a 7, 8 and 9 George Lucas should stay the hell away from them
no he shouldn't because of him we got 4-6 the best 3 movies in star wars!:thumb: :cool:

-Katie-

11-08-2005, 02:38 PM

I think I'm like the only person in the world who hasn't seen ANY SW all the way through. One of these days I'm gonna rent them all and have an all-day SW fest.

gamer3

11-08-2005, 02:42 PM

so will i in 1 month 18 days if i am lucky!

Knifeboy

11-08-2005, 02:55 PM

I bet you some day, that episode 7,8,9 will be made.. Unless someone kills George first.

gamer3

11-08-2005, 03:03 PM

I bet you some day, that episode 7,8,9 will be made.. Unless someone kills George first.
who would kill him? supershadow is a bunch of bs that only exist in the sonic games as platnium shadow!!!!!!!

Knifeboy

11-08-2005, 11:52 PM

I seriously doubt george lucas could resist the urge to make buttloads of money

Pop music sucks

11-08-2005, 11:55 PM

I bet he's gonna make more in the Ultra Mega Super Star Wars Movie Collection.

All six movies:eek:

Grego1985

11-09-2005, 03:32 AM

I bet he's gonna make more in the Ultra Mega Super Star Wars Movie Collection.

All six movies:eek:
He said the only time that will happen is when he re-masters Ep 1,2 & 3 so i can't see that happening for a long while.

There is too much money for him to make not to at least plot out a 7, 8 & 9 series. I mean even if he doesn't want to there is going to be plenty of people who will want to take the movies over and George will recieve the cash from them no doubt. Seems like a logical plan to me :thumb:

gamer3

11-09-2005, 03:19 PM

I seriously doubt george lucas could resist the urge to make buttloads of money
True but isn't that the point of movies!!!!:confused:

Iskandar

11-09-2005, 03:39 PM

He said the only time that will happen is when he re-masters Ep 1,2 & 3 so i can't see that happening for a long while.

There is too much money for him to make not to at least plot out a 7, 8 & 9 series. I mean even if he doesn't want to there is going to be plenty of people who will want to take the movies over and George will recieve the cash from them no doubt. Seems like a logical plan to me :thumb:
How about:

a) There's no story left to tell. There are six movies and dozens of books.
b) I doubt he would trust other people to make HIS movie, the movie that made his career and which he's devoted most of his life to.

gamer3

11-09-2005, 03:43 PM

Dropper is right.

Hep Kat

11-09-2005, 04:36 PM

a) There's no story left to tell. There are six movies and dozens of
books.
b) I doubt he would trust other people to make HIS movie, the movie that made his career and which he's devoted most of his life to.

exactly right.

especially after reading that ridiculous plot on supershadow.com for "The Fallen Hero."

ridiculous.

Grego1985

11-10-2005, 06:57 AM

How about:

a) There's no story left to tell. There are six movies and dozens of books.
b) I doubt he would trust other people to make HIS movie, the movie that made his career and which he's devoted most of his life to.
Well i am just going to look forward to the TV series and more games. I tell you what man theres is always more story to tell, but i do believe you are right but some MORON *coughs* SuperShadow *coughs* will always claim to the sort of ridicolous (sp) **** he does....