so, do you guys have anything against rock and metal?

[superdigg]

A lot of my friends that listen to punk seem to hold Rock and Metal in contempt, scoffing at those that listen to it. I used to listen to punk and feel sort of the same way, as if the R&Mers were missing out on something, buuut now I prefer R&M over punk and yeah it just got me thinking. FOR INSTANCE, the other day, I was telling my "punk" friend how much I enjoyed this Rush album I got, and she's like "really, Rush? :rolleyes:" as if Rush is like, baby music! Then I asked if she had ever heard any Rush, and she hadn't. It's a filthy prejudice, and it seems to be pretty common, at least among people I know in real life.

So anyway, what do you guys think of R&M/its listeners?

[Drop The Baby]

I don't hold anything against it, i just don't like it. I think musically metal especially has some good stuff, and great guiatr solos but i don't like it much if you see what i mean.

Although i think i understand it better cos my mate is a metal head and an amazing guitar player

[trunks_punk]

I like it! i think its important to kick around in different genres. You should never count yourself as a single genre and just say "you like good music". No matter what it is

[albert_bass]

I like some metal and rock but metal is overrated in my opinion.

I preffer jazz or funk over metal anyday.

[superdigg]

I don't hold anything against it, i just don't like it. I think musically metal especially has some good stuff, and great guiatr solos but i don't like it much if you see what i mean.

Although i think i understand it better cos my mate is a metal head and an amazing guitar player
I like it! i think its important to kick around in different genres. You should never count yourself as a single genre and just say "you like good music". No matter what it is
see, yeah, that's what i mean. it's like, i don't personally enjoy jazz but i can appreciate it. i'm pretty sure most MX punk-lovers are more mature than real life ones in that way. uhh yes, i shall let this thread continue, maybe there are some different opinions?

[trunks_punk]

you know it

[AndreTheHyena]

Some metal rules. Most doesn't. I try my damnedest not to be prejudiced, though.

[Shadows Within]

im the exact opposite im prejudice against punk i really dont see why anyone can like it but i guess i need to hear more before i judge

:Runs Back To R&M Before Gets *** Kicked:

[Culture Shock]

It all comes down to my tastes being prejudice, not me! I don't limit or restrict my tastes, I just listen to what I like. There are few metal albums I will listen to with Slayer's 'Reign in Blood' being one of them. As for rock I just listen to few random bands including The Doors, Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers, AC/DC etc.

You shouldn't limit your tastes but at the same time you shouldn't feel the need to expand your musical tastes just for the sake of doing so. I relate best to specific bands in the punk/ska/dub genres and I enjoy listening to them the most.

[albert_bass]

im the exact opposite im prejudice against punk i really dont see why anyone can like it but i guess i need to hear more before i judge

:Runs Back To R&M Before Gets *** Kicked:

The difference is we don't have prejudices against metal, we just don't like most of it.


Not trying to flame, but prejudices are stupid. I mean, if you can't stand punk just because it's simple you need to rethink your whole scheme of music.

[Arucard]

I like both equally. Freaks Union are my faverouite band, along with Arsis. One is punk, one is Death Metal.

[EightMilesHigh]

I listen to a fair bit of rock and metal, specifically classic rock (I'm a huge Beatles fan). I love a couple punk bands, but I'm mostly into Alt/Indie stuff.

[Pete]

I'm a huuuge metal fan (in fact, I'm going to see Vital Remains tonight :cool: ), but I'm also a huuuge punk fan. I like good music - there's good music in both genres, so I'll listen to both genres. Here are some of my absolutely favourite bands ever;

Strike Anywhere
Dissection
A Wilhelm Scream
Immortal
Protest the Hero
Bridge to Solace
Lagwagon
Vital Remains
Agoraphobic Nosebleed
Rise Against
Converge
NOFX
Dillinger Escape Plan

...and the list could go on, mixing punk and metal like never before.

I like hard, fast guitar-driven music, I guess. I've never understood people who like one of the genres, but hates the other.

[Shadows Within]

I'm a huuuge metal fan (in fact, I'm going to see Vital Remains tonight :cool: ), but I'm also a huuuge punk fan. I like good music - there's good music in both genres, so I'll listen to both genres. Here are some of my absolutely favourite bands ever;

Strike Anywhere
Dissection
A Wilhelm Scream
Immortal
Protest the Hero
Bridge to Solace
Lagwagon
Vital Remains
Agoraphobic Nosebleed
Rise Against
Converge
NOFX
Dillinger Escape Plan

...and the list could go on, mixing punk and metal like never before.

I like hard, fast guitar-driven music, I guess. I've never understood people who like one of the genres, but hates the other.
most of those are metalcore arent they? i dunno about NOFX i hear them mentioned all over the place i thought they where punk.


if you can't stand punk just because it's simple you need to rethink your whole scheme of music.thats actually one of the big reasons i got into metal i was tired of the simplistic stuff i started picking up guitar ans when i did that i started listening to a whole bunch of players (Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Yngwie Malmsteen, Zakk Wylde) then i started to get into alot of metal bands from there.

[trunks_punk]

thats funny saying that because years ago there was only really punk, hardcore punk, metal, and death metal.

there were no sub-genres when i started listening to punk and metal

[albert_bass]

I picked guitar too but I can't stand the 100 nps solos that sound so overcrowded with notes. That's one of the reasons why I don't like metal, also the riffing absolutely bores me.

What I like in a song is mostly energy and originality.

most of those are metalcore arent they? i dunno about NOFX i hear them mentioned all over the place i thought they where punk.

Most of those bands aren't metalcore.

Lagwagon, NOFX = pop-punk

Strike Anywhere, A Wilhelm scream, Rise Against = melodic hardcore

Protest The Hero = metal/punk

[Shadows Within]

What I like in a song is mostly energy and originality.


and metal doesn't :confused:

im complete opposite i get completly blown away when i hear shredding like that and the riffs can get stuck in my head for days.

[iLlA!]

i like the metal only for the wonderful solos....some metal guitarist are fantastic...

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I don't like metal much tbh.

I like the odd band, including SOAD, Converge and DEP.

(not strictly metal, but w/e)

[Gnarmageddon]

I'm a huuuge metal fan (in fact, I'm going to see Vital Remains tonight :cool: ), but I'm also a huuuge punk fan. I like good music - there's good music in both genres, so I'll listen to both genres. Here are some of my absolutely favourite bands ever;

Strike Anywhere
Dissection
A Wilhelm Scream
Immortal
Protest the Hero
Bridge to Solace
Lagwagon
Vital Remains
Agoraphobic Nosebleed
Rise Against
Converge
NOFX
Dillinger Escape Plan

...and the list could go on, mixing punk and metal like never before.

I like hard, fast guitar-driven music, I guess. I've never understood people who like one of the genres, but hates the other.
123. I'm the same way. I like both genres, and now I'm actually starting to get into metal and grind more than punk and pop punk.

[Subvert_bassist]

A lot of grind and crust stuff is considered by some people to be a form of metal, so I suppose I listen to metal. Iskra has been described as metal, and I also listen to stuff like Assuck, Napalm Death, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed.

But a lot of "rock" sucks, so I don't listen to it. But I still don't have anything against it; those guys put just as much effort into it as we do our genre.

[Rootsradical]

I can't stand most metal. Most of it conist of a drummer using a whole lotta double bass and a guy screaming. It just sounds too boring.

[TheTastyLettuce]

I can't stand most metal. Most of it conist of a drummer using a whole lotta double bass and a guy screaming. It just sounds too boring.

You don't understand, that's all.

[Tyler]

Protest The Hero = metal/punk
Are you joking?

[Sid]

Metal murdered my whole family and I can never forgive it for that. That's why I take to the streets on my motorcycle every night.

For revenge.

[Anxious]

I like some metal and rock but metal is overrated in my opinion.

I preffer jazz or funk over metal anyday.
Thats my opinion, more or less.

My brother is a huge metal fan, I think the metal he listens to (Power Metal) is cheesy and laughable. But I do like some metal bands. Black Sabbath, Iron Madien(some of the time), and electric wizard.

[AIRIC]

Thrash metal rules. I don't like much else in metal.

[Fabz]

I'm not a huge fan of either metal and rock but I listen to a couple of bands.

[lynch_me]

I like Venom. But personally, Led zeppelin, ACDC, and all those others I am getting sick of seeing, and hearing about.

[AIRIC]

Oh yeah, Def Leppard \m/

[Dude3]

I listen to all styles of music. Actually, I'd have to say metal is my favorite.

[lynch_me]

I don't like metal much tbh.

I like the odd band, including SOAD, Converge and DEP.

(not strictly metal, but w/e)
rlly srsly? ths al mtl u lke wtf? wana cme 2 a bbq btw? no? w/e.

[AK47]

pqrs.

[albert_bass]

and metal doesn't :confused:

im complete opposite i get completly blown away when i hear shredding like that and the riffs can get stuck in my head for days.

Exactly. Metal doesn't have the kind of energy I like and it's not original at all from my point of view (if it's original from any point of view). Agreed with that?

Are you joking?

No, it said so in purevolume and I read it so I'm sharing it. If it's wrong you correct me but no irony please.

[Brain Toad]

If you limit yourself to one genre, you are hendering your self. Music is a lot more then one genre and should be enjoyed that way, you may prefer one over the other, like I perfer punk and its sub-genres over rock and metal, but I don't hate those genres and like plenty of bands within them. Anyone who says another genre 'sucks' usually is an ignorant fool who feels the need to be elitist to make themselves look bigger.

[Sleeper]

I love Rock and Metal, although most of the new Metal is trash.

[Pinhead13]

A lot of my friends that listen to punk seem to hold Rock and Metal in contempt, scoffing at those that listen to it. I used to listen to punk and feel sort of the same way, as if the R&Mers were missing out on something, buuut now I prefer R&M over punk and yeah it just got me thinking. Like, the other day, I was telling my "punk" friend how much I enjoyed this Rush album I got, and she's like "really, Rush? :rolleyes:" as if Rush is like, baby music! Then I asked if she had ever heard any Rush, and she hadn't. It's a filthy prejudice, and it seems to be pretty common, at least among people I know in real life.

So anyway, what do you guys think of R&M/its listeners?
:lol: :lol: :lol: why should i be against rock or metal? i love both genres with such a passion....

[JohnXDoe]

I have nothing against metal. I don't like it, if that is what you are asking. But I have nothing against it. I don't mind some music with metal influences and what not. And it's the genre that introduced me to rock n roll when I was eleven or so. Or I should say that I noticed when I was eleven. I liked it for a couple of years. I thought it was rock n roll, really. Then I heard the Who and the Clash and just never looked backed. Kind of put me on a different path. So no, I don't like metal. And I don't know what you mean by "rock", but I'm pretty sure I like it.

[Shadows Within]

Thats my opinion, more or less.

My brother is a huge metal fan, I think the metal he listens to (Power Metal) is cheesy and laughable. But I do like some metal bands. Black Sabbath, Iron Madien(some of the time), and electric wizard.
:lol: power metals my fav i love the cheesieness (SP:confused: ) i listen to dragonforce, nightwish etc and love em all.

Exactly. Metal doesn't have the kind of energy I like and it's not original at all from my point of view (if it's original from any point of view). Agreed with that?
not really...i find punk incredibly boring and hardcore/emo unlistenable.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

I like both equally. Freaks Union are my faverouite band, along with Arsis. One is punk, one is Death Metal.


Same way, I can listen to Leftover Crack/Bad Religion and Cryptopsy and Decapitated back to back

Death metal, and punk

[Excursions]

I listen to bands and if I like them I will continue to listen to them.

[Ghostfire3]

I used to like classic rock a long time ago, but I just got sick of it because it's too old and it'll never change. I started getting into punk a while ago and now I can't get enough of it. One of the best parts of punk is the energy that it delivers. There's no other music like it.

[(r)evolution]

I really don't like metal or rock, that's not to say that people who listen to it have bad tastes in music per-se. However, it's just that most of the rock and metal i've heard has (to me) been utter rubbish.

[Ghostfire3]

Metal just doesn't provide the same energy that punk does for me. Nothing beats goin to a good punk show, some of the best times a punk can have.

[superdigg]

Metal just doesn't provide the same energy that punk does for me. Nothing beats goin to a good punk show, some of the best times a punk can have.
have you been to a metal show? IMO, they're pretty energetic as well. in my town, at least.

and yeah, punk's simplicity turns me off. it's not simplicity for simplicity's sake, but what results FROM the simplicity. like, i find a lot of the songs to be too predictable (an argument that could also be made against rock and metal, i realize)

[cods]

i listen to punk more for the "message", and i listen to metal for the musicality.


i'm high and that's the best way to explain it right now.

[AIRIC]

have you been to a metal show? IMO, they're pretty energetic as well. in my town, at least.

and yeah, punk's simplicity turns me off. it's not simplicity for simplicity's sake, but what results FROM the simplicity. like, i find a lot of the songs to be too predictable (an argument that could also be made against rock and metal, i realize)

Metal seems a lot more divided than punk. I love the atmosphere of punk shows where everyone is friends, and I've never been to a metal show, but I don't think that's there much.

[Shadows Within]

Metal seems a lot more divided than punk. I love the atmosphere of punk shows where everyone is friends, and I've never been to a metal show, but I don't think that's there much.
it's more agressive but mostly the same except the acts are better IMO.

[redstainedeyes]

People at my school think I only listen to punk and ska because I don't like the most popular styles of metal and rock (I can't stand hair metal, nu-metal, what I call overboard rock, grunge, or crappy modern rock). However, I love The Who's early stuff, Beatles are one of my favourite bands, I love the Kinks, I like Chuck Berry, Elvis, and Buddy Holly, and fast forward I like a lot of post-punk and new wave (The Cure are one of my favourites), and I really like reggae, and I'm starting to get into Motorhead. So the only problem I have is that a lot of people who listen to rock around here don't recognize anything but their own brand of rock, which is a very small slice of the pie.

[Ghostfire3]

Metal seems a lot more divided than punk. I love the atmosphere of punk shows where everyone is friends, and I've never been to a metal show, but I don't think that's there much.

Very true, the atmosphere at a punk show is one of the best parts of the show. The unity at shows is awesome and you dance and stuff with people you've never seen before in your life.

[superdigg]

Metal seems a lot more divided than punk. I love the atmosphere of punk shows where everyone is friends, and I've never been to a metal show, but I don't think that's there much.
i know what you're getting at, but IMO there's a pretty good sense of *unity* at metal shows too. it's hard to explain, but when you're moshing to a thrashey metal chorus and you get knocked to the ground, and you get helped up only to get smacked around again, you really feel like you're "one with everyone else", if you know what i mean.

[Shadows Within]

i know what you're getting at, but IMO there's a pretty good sense of *unity* at metal shows too. it's hard to explain, but when you're moshing to a thrashey metal chorus and you get knocked to the ground, and you get helped up only to get smacked around again, you really feel like you're "one with everyone else", if you know what i mean.
and the fact that everyone wants to talk about how the shows going/there fav bands etc.

[superdigg]

and the fact that everyone wants to talk about how the shows going/there fav bands etc.
yeah, i get a pretty good sense of unity at metal shows. i'm pretty sure most genres have that feeling attached to them.

and hey, with punk, isn't there little conflicts between the skins and the punks and the anarcho guys and all? or is SLC punk full of sh'it? (i hate the new swearfilters :upset:)

[Shadows Within]

yeah, i get a pretty good sense of unity at metal shows. i'm pretty sure most genres have that feeling attached to them.

and hey, with punk, isn't there little conflicts between the skins and the punks and the anarcho guys and all? or is SLC punk full of sh'it? (i hate the new swearfilters :upset:)
**** ****

..yeah they suck i was wondering why everyone kept saying fusty walrus...is fusty even a word?

[Ghostfire3]

Also, something I like a lot about punk is the lyrics. I like songs that talk about political issues, unity, anti-racism, and such. Whereas a lot of the metal stuff I've heard talks about just dark and gloomy stuff.

[superdigg]

fusty walrus! poop

..yeah they suck i was wondering why everyone kept saying fusty walrus...is fusty even a word?
apparently so
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fusty

[Shadows Within]

Also, something I like a lot about punk is the lyrics. I like songs that talk about political issues, unity, anti-racism, and such. Whereas a lot of the metal stuff I've heard talks about just dark and gloomy stuff.
id rather it be dark and gloomy that about stuff i really wouldent agree with :p besides i dont listen to metal for the lyrics i listen to it for the musicianship.

[guns_of_brixton]

I like some Euro prog metal, if that's what its called. Bands like Gamma Ray, Edguy, etc.

[superdigg]

id rather it be dark and gloomy that about stuff i really wouldent agree with :p besides i dont listen to metal for the lyrics i listen to it for the musicianship.
really? i think lyrics/vocals add a whole lot to songs. with punk, though, it seems as if it's all *too* vocal-focused, with the instruments really being "backing".

[Excursions]

Saying metal is better because of the musicianship is a redundant point in many ways. Listen to the Minutemen. The end.

[non sequitor]

punk is awesome when its done well (the clash, dead kennedys, etc...) but really sucks when shi'tty bands play it (or mediocre generic ones like pennywise and anti-flag). most in the punk forum would agree with that statement. the same argument aplies to any genre of music, including rock and metal. dont judge a genre until you've actually listened to it enough to form an educated opinion.

[Shadows Within]

Saying metal is better because of the musicianship is a redundant point in many ways. Listen to the Minutemen. The end.
meh its decent not really my cup of tea but thats onyl one band i think the only other punk band thats focused more around musicianship is Kylahullut. also the thoing about punk that turns me off is the vocals i hate those nasaly wierd clash kinda vocals.

[AIRIC]

Listen to Propagandhi. Try them. Punk/Thrash, not like Clash vocals at all.

[Shadows Within]

Listen to Propagandhi. Try them. Punk/Thrash, not like Clash vocals at all.
those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)

[Excursions]

I bet you would like Siege. They were a huge influence on Napalm Death or so I hear.

[Shadows Within]

I bet you would like Siege. They were a huge influence on Napalm Death or so I hear.
crap they dont have any on rhapsody

EDIT: im also not big on thrash metal i like Biomechanical, metallica, megadeth, pantera and a couple moe but thats about it for thrash.

[AIRIC]

those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)

A Wilhelm Scream, Marathon. Good musicianship and vocals.

[Shadows Within]

A Wilhelm Scream, Marathon. Good musicianship and vocals.
all the vocals seem to sound the same to me and again the musicianship on these arent really my cup of tea there decent licks but they dont compare to metals stuff, but atleast i liked the lyrics better.

[AIRIC]

Did you actually listen to both of those?

[Ghostfire3]

those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)

1. What's wrong with the Clash's vocals??? I think Joe Strummer and Mick Jones were good singers.

2.That's probably another reason why you don't like punk, because you're more conservative and a lot of punk bands sing about social issues and tend to be more open minded and liberal.

3. Try the Angel City Outcasts. I like them a lot and they have a really good guitarist.

[Shadows Within]

Did you actually listen to both of those?
i couldent find marathon but i found the other one they have 2 cds and 2 vids.


EDIT to above: yeah thats probally that and its not my kind of music instrumentally.

im into the more Priest, Maiden, Biomechanical kinda vocals so to me punk vocals like the clash's dont really compare.

[Skidmark Steve]

the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music

[AIRIC]

Because a lot of metal lyrics I've heard blow.

[Ghostfire3]

the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music


Exactly. Lyrics are really important, in my oppinion.

[Shadows Within]

Because a lot of metal lyrics I've heard blow.
like i said im not big on lyrics im big on musicianship lyrics are the least i worry about when i listen to metal sometimes theres no lyrics or vocals at all.

[AIRIC]

Exactly. Lyrics are really important, in my oppinion.

Same here.

[superdigg]

Saying metal is better because of the musicianship is a redundant point in many ways. Listen to the Minutemen. The end.
i don't think the minutemen really qualify as straight "punk". clearly they're an exception. IMO, they're more in the vain of awesome jam bands like phish or primus, very versatile and fusion-ey. also, i don't think most people like metal for the musicianship, as in, technical skill. it's more that the instruments are used to create more interesting (yes, subjective, i know) sounds than with a repeated power chord assembly.

[Ghostfire3]

like i said im not big on lyrics im big on musicianship lyrics are the least i worry about when i listen to metal sometimes theres no lyrics or vocals at all.

Try listening to the Angel City Outcasts. They have a really good guitarist. Listen to the song "I'm and A.C.O."

[Shadows Within]

people have tried to show me stuff in the harcore and pop-section too but i havent liked any of it.

Try listening to the Angel City Outcasts. They have a really good guitarist. Listen to the song "I'm and A.C.O."
i cant find any on rhapsody.

EDIT: i got ahold of that song on yahoo its mostly like all the other rock guitarist iv heard listen to Kylahullut (there really hard to find)

[JohnXDoe]

1. What's wrong with the Clash's vocals??? I think Joe Strummer and Mick Jones were good singers.

They were good. Especially Joe. And I never thought they were "nasely" at all. So far as musicianship, Topper Headon was one of rocks better drummers, period. Paul is a good bass player and always was, Joe was a solid rythmn guitarist, and all you have to do is hear the Clash live to know Mick was a brillant, resourceful, and creative guitar player. Within the genre or outside the genre.

[CelticPunkRocker]

I like punk more than anything, but i still listen to music that has a litle metal thrown into the genre, like Black Flag, and Nirvana (neither are metal and i know nirvana isnt punk but you know what i mean, yeh?) I like rock though, its pretty much where it all started, so why hate rock? One thing i find about metal, is the different sort of aggression that it has to hardcore punks. Its hard to describe but i think you know what i mean. I reckon a lot of metalheads hate punk though because of all the pop punk bands out there claiming to be punk. I know this is a way overused excuse but in my experience, its just a misunderstanding on both sides.

[superdigg]

the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music
that's valid, a lot of metal people i know are like that.

BUT I'M NOT :upset:

really, most "enlightened" metalheads know how to love a song as a whole. i can't stand death metal just because of the vocals, even though the music is normally pretty awesome and sufficiently technical.

[Skidmark Steve]

I like punk more than anything, but i still listen to music that has a litle metal thrown into the genre, like Black Flag, and Nirvana (neither are metal and i know nirvana isnt punk but you know what i mean, yeh?) I like rock though, its pretty much where it all started, so why hate rock? One thing i find about metal, is the different sort of aggression that it has to hardcore punks. Its hard to describe but i think you know what i mean. I reckon a lot of metalheads hate punk though because of all the pop punk bands out there claiming to be punk. I know this is a way overused excuse but in my experience, its just a misunderstanding on both sides.
hmmm....im not getting your point

[superdigg]

hmmm....im not getting your point
there were a lot of points thrown into that dude's argument, but i think his main one was that metalheads didn't get punk, and vice versa. i think this is true for most people, but there are a lot of people that listen to/have listened to both, and thus appreciate both :thumb:

[Ghostfire3]

That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.

[Skidmark Steve]

That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.
yea same here

[superdigg]

That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.
ohh yeah, the misfits are one of the few bands that stayed with me from my transition from punk to metal :thumb:

i prefer them over danzig, too.

uhh yeah, good point, cleverman, there's a lot of crossover.

[Nerdcore753]

I like Punk, I like Rock, and I like Metal. Maybe not everything from each, but that's probably obvious. While I do like it, I can only listen to Rock for a limited amount of time, and usually only certain bands.

meh its decent not really my cup of tea but thats onyl one band i think the only other punk band thats focused more around musicianship is Kylahullut. also the thoing about punk that turns me off is the vocals i hate those nasaly wierd clash kinda vocals.

You should try Nomeansno, they're pretty talented.

[SantaDuJuan]

The closest thing I get ot really loving metal is Alice in Chains, but then again that's just Grunge with heavy metal influnces. I just don't like the BAM BAM BAM BAM!!! of metal which alot of it has. I might like some softer more melodic metal though.

As far as Rock. You know how every white kid grows up listening to The Beatles or AC/DC? I was raised on Biggie and Tupac.

I've never been interested in classic rock, and when I am it's only to look at inlunces of bands I really like. I like one Led Zep song though.

As far as the forums goes my MX love spreads accorss the horizon.

[Shadows Within]

The closest thing I get ot really loving metal is Alice in Chains, but then again that's just Grunge with heavy metal influnces. I just don't like the BAM BAM BAM BAM!!! of metal which alot of it has. I might like some softer more melodic metal though.

As far as Rock. You know how every white kid grows up listening to The Beatles or AC/DC? I was raised on Biggie and Tupac.

I've never been interested in classic rock, and when I am it's only to look at inlunces of bands I really like. I like one Led Zep song though.

As far as the forums goes my MX love spreads accorss the horizon.
Try Nightwish or Kamelot for the softer melodic stuff.

[SkaRobotArmy]

That guy needs to listen to... PROTEST THE HERO. You won't like the vocals but the instrumental is awesome. Also, try Death By Stereo.
I don't like R&M because i find a) its boring and b) its music for musicians, not for the common ear. Also, a lot of the metalheads\classic rock guys i know are incredibly cocky and stubborn about they're music and won't give anything labelled outside their genre a second look. Also in death metal, the vocals (if you wish to call them that) are bad. I hate to sound so closed minded, but there is no other way to say it. Its not singing, its not screaming, its not even yelling. Anyone can sound deep and scary with a little work. Sure they're good at guitar, but thats not enough to make me want to listen to it.

[TakeWarning]

I like a little bit of metal, and I like alot of Thrash, but some metal is pure **** in my opinion. Mind you, so is some punk.

[Culture Shock]

It seems like people are looking for different things in each genre so that's really where the dividing line starts. I always look for intelligent lyrics in my music that are meant to inspire and inform. Clearly, most kids listen to metal for the sheer musicianship and supposed talent. It's just not my thing.

[TakeWarning]

It seems like people are looking for different things in each genre so that's really where the dividing line starts. I always look for intelligent lyrics in my music that are meant to inspire and inform. Clearly, most kids listen to metal for the sheer musicianship and supposed talent. It's just not my thing.
Yeah, lyrics mean alot to me. Most metal lyrics I've heard are completely meaningless.

[Saberpunk]

The band that i play in is actually far more of a hard rock/metal band than a punk band. I listin to all sorts of music, and to some extent i prefer some hard rock/metal over punk. For example if at any given time i had the choice to play Appetite for Destruction (Guns and Roses, for any of you who might not know) or say Feeding of the 5000 (Crass for you R/M folks who are dropping into this). I would pick the Guns and Roses in a heartbeat. Mostly i just like fast, hard, guitar based rock. And i don't really care what style it belongs to. If i like it, thats good enough for me.

[guns_of_brixton]

They were good. Especially Joe. And I never thought they were "nasely" at all. So far as musicianship, Topper Headon was one of rocks better drummers, period. Paul is a good bass player and always was, Joe was a solid rythmn guitarist, and all you have to do is hear the Clash live to know Mick was a brillant, resourceful, and creative guitar player. Within the genre or outside the genre.

I agree 100%.

[Oz Rembrandt]

I love Rock and Metal.

[skankthenspank]

I like rock, I hate metal though.

[User Name]

mostly, i like punk, but i do listen to everything except rap. from Django to S.O.D. to The Who to Carl Perkins, i like it all. i feel it is neccesary to listen to as many different styles as possible, especially if you are a musician

[fender9037]

i love all rock.. including metal and punk and stuff.... i dont like that really really hard metal though

[Natty666]

i like both rock and punk. the lyrics in punk are more important than the actual music and contain a lot more emotion and reasoning behind them and the guitaring is a lot more simple but rock music is great cos you get to hear really great musicians and good lyrics that although have less of an effect on me personally still have a great importance overall.

i'm not much of a fan of metal but its something that i havent really had a chance to get into. for years i wasnt a fan of punk but at the moment its what suits my frame of mind and i'm always trying to listen to new styles of music and maybe in the future i'll find metal more to my tastes. who knows eh? lol

[echos]

I listen to both punk and metal, I think i prefer punk though just because of the lyrics and the ethics..etc.

My friends like metal, they scoff at punk:(

[guitarded_chuck]

I like both. Punk is generally more about lyrics and the message, while metal is more about the musical side.

If you are talking about the R&M forum, yea it sucks, except for a select few official threads. I don't post much here either though, because my knowledge of punk is limited.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I love thrash. I also like a couple other types of metal, i'm still getting into it.

[Bukowski]

I don't mind older metal like Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden, but the only modern metal band i regularly listen to is Pelican, and Converge if you're including metalcore. I'm sure if i tried hard enough i could get into metal, but the genre just doesn't appeal to me, for some reason.

[Kithkin]

I don't like wanking on the guitar. To me, it's boring.

I can appreciate Metal for skill, but they don't do anything for me in terms of enjoyment. The way a lot of them play guitar is robotic and clinical and, to me, boring.

I love A Wilhelm Scream because they arrange their songs with a pop brilliance and the wanking isn't purely for wanking's sake.

I love Dragonforce because they're just so over the top. But I can't listen to a whole album of theirs.

[fastfingers]

Any person who constricts themselves to listening to only one or two types of music is trying WAY too hard to fit a stereotype.
Punk wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for good ol' rock n' roll.

[real_low_mind]

I HATE modern rock. It all sounds the same to me. It sounds like no thought goes into it.
I like specific bands more than genres & most bands i like are in the Classic punk category.

[Ghostfire3]

Any person who constricts themselves to listening to only one or two types of music is trying WAY too hard to fit a stereotype.
Punk wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for good ol' rock n' roll.

Personally I like more than 2 genres of music but I don't think what you said is always true. Maybe some people just simply don't like other genres.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I love Dragonforce because they're just so over the top. But I can't listen to a whole album of theirs.
haha, they're awesome.

[EightMilesHigh]

I like a little bit of metal, and I like alot of Thrash, but some metal is pure **** in my opinion. Mind you, so is some punk.

Exactly. For every crappy rock band (Linkin Park, Staind), there's a crappy punk band (The Casualties, G.G. Allin).

[AIRIC]

Municipal Waste \m/

[mcmurray]

i listen to a lot of metal, as well as a lot of punk. mostly grunge though, but that can fall under both categories

[lynch_me]

I don't like wanking on the guitar. To me, it's boring.

I can appreciate Metal for skill, but they don't do anything for me in terms of enjoyment. The way a lot of them play guitar is robotic and clinical and, to me, boring.

I love A Wilhelm Scream because they arrange their songs with a pop brilliance and the wanking isn't purely for wanking's sake.

I love Dragonforce because they're just so over the top. But I can't listen to a whole album of theirs.
Haha, I love when people refer to it as fret wanking/jerking off.

[Anti-Prefix]

I don't hold anything against it, i just don't like it.

I also cannot understand the gothic lifestyle, although I try.

I can't stand metal or most rock.

[Brain Toad]

i listen to a lot of metal, as well as a lot of punk. mostly grunge though, but that can fall under both categories

No it can't

Punk and grunge aren't related, at all.

[mcmurray]

grunge is commonly referred to as a mix of metal and punk, the heaviness of metal and the diy and simplistic spirit of punk

[asdf]

My friend who listens to a lot of oldschool metal was listening to Judas Priest while I was over, and I was actually enjoying it. I found slayer boring, though.

I listen to more metal-influenced things than I do actual metal. Same with punk.

[RetiredAt21]

Slayer is awesome.

[Scabies]

Iif everyone listened to cryptic slaughter no punks would hate metal and no metallers would hate punk

[albert_bass]

:lol: power metals my fav i love the cheesieness (SP:confused: ) i listen to dragonforce, nightwish etc and love em all.


not really...i find punk incredibly boring and hardcore/emo unlistenable.

Yeah, great understanding of the statement "from my point of view".

[Fabz]

In metal, I really like Mastodon, excellent band.

[Lazybassplr56]

Iif everyone listened to cryptic slaughter no punks would hate metal and no metallers would hate punk

truth

[albert_bass]

I can appreciate Metal for skill, but they don't do anything for me in terms of enjoyment. The way a lot of them play guitar is robotic and clinical and, to me, boring.

Exactly. And in metal guitar is overrated. A large percentage of people who listens to metal only cares about the guitar. And from people I know personally that percentage increases to a 100%

[Bicuspid]

I'm a Metal fan more than anything. I love Punk, Jazz, Classical, and Rock (to name a few genres), but Metal is my bread and butter; what I was raised on. Like most every genre of music, you have a lot of crap, a decent amount of decent-good bands, and a few gems. It's just a matter of sifting through the crap to find what you like, eventually you get linked to a bunch of bands you like from that.

As far as the robotic and clinical statement goes; that, to me, would be like saying most Punk bands care more about being simplistic and derivative than writing good songs.

[RetiredAt21]

I was raised on metal, but I don't listen to much proper metal anymore.

[non sequitor]

i like metal when the drums are somewhat fast. i cant stand that pounding boring drumbeat a lot of shi'tty bands constantly use (disturbed, creed, etc)

[NewKindofArmy03]

Iif everyone listened to cryptic slaughter no punks would hate metal and no metallers would hate punk
Bands like them, SOD and DRI should be liked by everyone.

[Independent_CA]

Rock in general, no, it's just not my style. Metal I tend to find boring and annoying after a while.

[AIRIC]

Bands like them, SOD and DRI should be liked by everyone.

Municipal Waste \m/

also, I listened to Napalm Death's Scum today, and was completely blown away. There are huge metal influences in that album.

[Rockafella]

Rock and metal don't suck, they're not my thing.

[NewKindofArmy03]

Municipal Waste \m/

One of my favorite bands, Hazardous Mutation is still album of the year for me. Best live band too.

also, I listened to Napalm Death's Scum today, and was completely blown away. There are huge metal influences in that album.
The last couple things they've done is just metal. I don't really like it either.

[StruckEverywhere]

I can't stand metal, makes me cringe.

[LeftoverVictim719]

I dont like metal that much, it kind of annoys me. Besides a little Black Sabbath here or there. As for rock, I'll like lots of bands and songs new and old and I also am trying to get into a little Blues

[time bomb]

my favourite band's rage against the machine, so i guess i dont have anything against rock, i listen to some slipknot as well. Other r and m bands seem to get boring to me if i listen to them for a fair while, but i can definately say the same about hardcore, i really dont like it. I guess it just depends on musical tastes and if you have preconcieved prejudices regarding those genres.

[Zion Gates]

i love rock and metal...listening to tool at the moment

[Skidmark Steve]

whats the crowd like at metal shows? i imagine they suck

[smokersdieyounger]

I like the crowds and atmospheres at metal shows. I am a photographer and I have photographed The haunted and some Victory label bands at my local venue. I think the only real difference between a punk and metal show is how people dress. Everyone still dances violently (but theres no ska bits in metal) and everyone chats and stuff to strangers. I love thrash and death metal soo much. Of course Napalm Death sound metal influenced, Bill Steer who took over guitar after Justin Broadwick was in Carcass (one of my favourite bands).

[superpeer]

I love both. I prefer metal though, obviously, otherwise I would be a punk mod. :p

[TakeWarning]

I love both.

Then post here more.

[AndreTheHyena]

I like the crowds and atmospheres at metal shows. . . .

I go to my fair share of metal shows, and not once have I ever said, "Man, the crowd was awesome tonight". Metal is one of those unfortunate genres, like mainstream punk, that is deluded and inevitably ruined by its fans.

[Theramed]

I like the crowds and atmospheres at metal shows. I am a photographer and I have photographed The haunted and some Victory label bands at my local venue.

They played in my town Spalding a while ago not really my bag though.

Suicidal Tendancies should end this debate.

[vote me]

i dont like anything else apart of punk
i used to listen to some rock but soon got sick of it

led zepp suck

[DBoons Ghost]

Having always loved music as a whole, I can't say I ever understood why you are what you listen to.

It's stupid, and closes your mind to the wonder that is modern music.

Metal and punk are so closely related in origin that most people forget that. I mean, punk is just rock and roll. Made from the heart pure and free. Some of it anyway. Now a lot of both is crap, and regurgitated from years of bad music. But thats ok.

I love all music. I would never limit myself to a specific genre simply because of stupidity. I remember being this way though. Especially with hardcore. West coast punk was made fun of, as were anything outside of east coast hardcore. I never understood that. I even loved some rap. I still do. It's good stuff. Old school hip hop and punk had a lot in common. Meh.. I always loved classic rock, jazz, fusion, metal, death metal, black metal.. I mean.. It's all good. To limit yourself to just one, especially one like punk, whose ideals and standards are more mythical than religion, you're really just closing your mind.

It's sad. It's one thing to really not like it, but to do it purposely to "keep it real" is the more ignorant thing I've ever heard.

[Pete]

most of those are metalcore arent they? i dunno about NOFX i hear them mentioned all over the place i thought they where punk.
I never got why people thought you were so stupid. I do now though. Almost none of the bands I mentioned were metalcore, except Converge and Bridge to Solace, and I really doubt you know of them. You totally missed the point of my post, and you looked really stupid doing it.

[RCVA]

When it is original and done well it's good.

[superpeer]

Then post here more.

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Having always loved music as a whole, I can't say I ever understood why you are what you listen to.

It's stupid, and closes your mind to the wonder that is modern music.

Metal and punk are so closely related in origin that most people forget that. I mean, punk is just rock and roll. Made from the heart pure and free. Some of it anyway. Now a lot of both is crap, and regurgitated from years of bad music. But thats ok.

I love all music. I would never limit myself to a specific genre simply because of stupidity. I remember being this way though. Especially with hardcore. West coast punk was made fun of, as were anything outside of east coast hardcore. I never understood that. I even loved some rap. I still do. It's good stuff. Old school hip hop and punk had a lot in common. Meh.. I always loved classic rock, jazz, fusion, metal, death metal, black metal.. I mean.. It's all good. To limit yourself to just one, especially one like punk, whose ideals and standards are more mythical than religion, you're really just closing your mind.

It's sad. It's one thing to really not like it, but to do it purposely to "keep it real" is the more ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Amen to that, I listen to pretty much every genre.

[Drum Phil]

I can appreciate most forms of music. The only forms i cannot are the manufactured forms of pop, punk, hip-hop and electonica. All the underground or lesser known forms of those genre's i can appreciate.

There are times when punk just isnt whats needed so i dabble in electronica and metal as well occasionally

[nitzguy]

most punk i like, some metal i like.... i listen to punk for the message and lyrics and metal for muscianship... i won't not listen to something, i remeber when my dad played jazz i hated it, but that was because was a young and stupid, now i'm old and less stupid

[k1ckthecat]

I don't mind Primus, Chevelle, Deftones, QOTSA, Foo Fighters or Alien Ant Farm. Those are the only rock bands I can stand. Metal bands annoy me but I respect them.

[Skidmark Steve]

I never got why people thought you were so stupid. I do now though. Almost none of the bands I mentioned were metalcore, except Converge and Bridge to Solace, and I really doubt you know of them. You totally missed the point of my post, and you looked really stupid doing it.
damn that is harsh my brotha

[Brain Toad]

Having always loved music as a whole, I can't say I ever understood why you are what you listen to.

It's stupid, and closes your mind to the wonder that is modern music.

Metal and punk are so closely related in origin that most people forget that. I mean, punk is just rock and roll. Made from the heart pure and free. Some of it anyway. Now a lot of both is crap, and regurgitated from years of bad music. But thats ok.

I love all music. I would never limit myself to a specific genre simply because of stupidity. I remember being this way though. Especially with hardcore. West coast punk was made fun of, as were anything outside of east coast hardcore. I never understood that. I even loved some rap. I still do. It's good stuff. Old school hip hop and punk had a lot in common. Meh.. I always loved classic rock, jazz, fusion, metal, death metal, black metal.. I mean.. It's all good. To limit yourself to just one, especially one like punk, whose ideals and standards are more mythical than religion, you're really just closing your mind.

It's sad. It's one thing to really not like it, but to do it purposely to "keep it real" is the more ignorant thing I've ever heard.


Best. Grandpappy. Ever

[Permanent Solution]

I don't mind Primus, Chevelle, Deftones, QOTSA, Foo Fighters or Alien Ant Farm. Those are the only rock bands I can stand. Metal bands annoy me but I respect them.
Not to start a genre war...but how can you say the Deftones aren't Metal? :-\

P.S. In relation to the thread I listen to tons of R&M stuff.

[k1ckthecat]

Not to start a genre war...but how can you say the Deftones aren't Metal? :-\

P.S. In relation to the thread I listen to tons of R&M stuff.
Ehh because I only really like Minerva and that's not really metal :/

[rip-metal_rules]

ok, could someone please enunciate on the differences between R&M and Punk for me? and give me some example bands. cuz i thought punk was a branch of rock.

[lak89]

it's my favorite genre, so i definitely don't have anything against it, although i do listen to a bit of punk

[Lazybassplr56]

ok, could someone please enunciate on the differences between R&M and Punk for me? and give me some example bands. cuz i thought punk was a branch of rock.

Punk bands:
Circle Jerks
Dead Kennedys
Black Flag
The Clash
Strike Anywhere
Jerry's Kids
The Misfits
Adolescents
The Buzzcocks
Conflict
Subhumans
Die Hunns
The Stitches
Smut Peddlers
7 Seconds
The Dead Boys

[TemperamentalGoat]

well ultimately they're all a branch of "rock music"

I like all these genres, though I give preference to metal because it seemed to have greater potential to be complex (mainly prog-metal). Then I realized there are plenty of progressive-ish punk bands too, destroying my bias.

whoever mentioned jazz, go you. jazz rules.

[Sebek]

I love Death/80's/Glam-Hair/Black/Thrash Metal just as much as I love Punk/Oi!/Ska(not so much on the Ska though).

I try to branch out though, I'll listen to pretty much anything at least once and even then I generally end up liking it; Classical, Classic Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, Black Metal, Power Metal, 80's Metal, Thrash Metal, Glam/Hair Metal, Death Metal, Punk, Oi!, Ska, Crust, Jazz, Blues, and a handful of other genres that I spin from time to time.

[TheNowhereman42]

Punk, Rock, and Metal all suck, Mathcore, Nintendocore, Nardcore, Grindcore, Power Violence, and and C'ock Rock are where its at.

[Dust Junky]

I'm far to into my own music to really care what everyone else is listening to or what they think of the music I do listen to, Cant say I really know what specific genres I listen to, I dont really like to catagorize.

[Flagjacket]

I'm far to into my own music to really care what everyone else is listening to or what they think of the music I do listen to, Cant say I really know what specific genres I listen to, I dont really like to catagorize.
I never got the whole "Labels are for FOOD!" thing. You can't tell me Gwar and Lifetime are the same thing.

[AIRIC]

Yeah, I like labeling music.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

GWAR > punk rock

[AIRIC]

GWAR played here Wednesday, I didn't go.

[Ghostfire3]

GWAR > punk rock

You=Wrong

[redstainedeyes]

GWARis hilarious. Quote by the guy from GWAR in Alternative Press: I really love Grand Theft Auto San Andreas because I get to run around as an Al Qaeda cyborg in my tighty whities, killing people with a double-headed dildo. Now that's a game. And it's not too different from reality either.

So therefore GWAR>You. Not really though.

[nat.snoxell]

**** No!!!

Speed/Thrash Metal (atleast from the early eighties) should be something all punkheads should atleast have the slightest taste for. (IMHO)

[AndreTheHyena]

I've seen GWAR twice; each time was phenomenal.

[TakeWarning]

GWAR is wikkidy-whack.

[StruckEverywhere]

GWAR is wikkidy-whack.

You need a new phrase.

[Aus Rotten]

Going with the trend, i'm not saying that Rock and Metal bands don't have talent, they do their thing and it's just not my style. It doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't make them any less musicians. For example, I HATE with all my heart classic rock. It just doesn't appeal to me in the least bit shape or form, but that doesn't mean Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc. don't have talent or aren't good bands, I just don't like them. As for Rush, they have some awesome and very difficult/technical guitar and bass lines, just they don't appeal to me lyrically at all.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

You=Wrong

you don't even know, child.

[TakeWarning]

You need a new phrase.
I'll get a new one soon. Next time I think of something.

[smokersdieyounger]

I go to my fair share of metal shows, and not once have I ever said, "Man, the crowd was awesome tonight". Metal is one of those unfortunate genres, like mainstream punk, that is deluded and inevitably ruined by its fans.

The Haunted are underground thrash, and where are you from? Because audiences in the UK are known to be better because we dont get as many gigs. And the Pogo started here man!

[deathscreamingsheep]

^^ I'm pretty sure I have been to metal shows with an immense atmosphere and actually thought that the "Crowd was awesome tonight". Mastodon were a good example of this.

I listen to both punk and metal. These days anyway, a lot of people whom I know who think they are punks claim to dislike metal because "...It's all just screaming and double-bass pedals..." When I try and relate to them that metalcore is a fusion of both metal and hardcore punk they ain't having it.

[mullets suk]

im not really in to metal though when i listen to it when it comes on the radio/tv. but when im listen to music on my computer i find that i cant listen to songs more then 3 minute long songs. i may just have a short attention span
and i like a lot of rock but its the same if its to long its hard for me to continue listening to it

[Major General Despair]

Oh yeah, Def Leppard \m/


What has 9 arms and sucks?

[smokersdieyounger]

I think theres more metalheads who dislike punks than the other way around.

[Skidmark Steve]

I think theres more metalheads who dislike punks than the other way around.
mainly because our instrumental skill in punk isnt up to metal standards

[EightMilesHigh]

mainly because our instrumental skill in punk isnt up to metal standards

No reason to look down on punx just we don't do seven minute wankfests i.e. Yngwie Malmsteen.

[i live for mullets]

for me, all the soloing gets really boring. punk songs are short and to the point, but sometimes to short and i wish the song would go on. but i just dont listen to much metal, except iron maiden and black sabbath. i listen to some classic rock, like the who, zeppelin, van halen. allman brothers were first my first concert...

[Skidmark Steve]

im going to make a "Do you have anything against punk" thraed in the R&M forums

[Ghostfire3]

My friend likes punk and metal (but mainly punk) and he says punk shows are way better.

[Culture Shock]

im going to make a "Do you have anything against punk" thraed in the R&M forums

Haha, good idea.

This thread officially smells.

[Skidmark Steve]

haha the thread lasted pretty long. got some good results...

and alot said the exact same thing as we were saying. they said that they dont get why punk is about the message rather than the music.