Some audio...

[Josiah]

Just to counter all the crazy double bass speed stuff.. Cause I record my own practices, here's a pop tune in 12/8 I was shedding on earlier today.

Enjoy


http://josiahmicheletti.com/128-2.mp3

[Hammerheart]

Pretty cool, I guess.

[[Fonya]]

Its cool, but I kept waiting for you to go crazy or something.

[DxRocker]

I think that's quite an awesome track :)

That's just some tasty playing right there :thumb:

[ThugsRook]

great example Jo :thumb:

what song is that?

[innerlo2]

Sounds and feels like 4/4... ? Also counts as 4/4. Am I missing something?

[Iskandar]

Yeah, I thought 4/4 as well.

[ThugsRook]

um isnt 12/8 = 4/4 but short a bar?

[Josiah]

No, 12/8 is just that 12/8. 12/8 is like a bar of 8th note triplets in 4/4.

What I'm playing there is assuredly 12/8. Really it only matters for notational purposes of course.

[Chippy569]

OR it's a bar of 8th note triplets in 4/4
which is how i counted it the first few listens

but i see it in 12/8 as well.

[billdrum]

Hmmm, my Firefox seems to be allergic to your track. Every time I try to play it, it crashes and closes Firefox. I guess I'll try it at the office tomorrow!

[DxRocker]

What I'm playing there is assuredly 12/8. Really it only matters for notational purposes of course.

Notational purposes aside, a 12/8 basicly is a 4/4 with sort of a triplet feel to it right? And since you're only playing 8ths on the hats, that triplet feel comes from the placement of the bassdrum.


So instead of having it square like in:

C 1e&a2e&a
H x-x-x-x-
S ----x---
B x--x----

It has more of a funky triplet feel to it as in:

C 1ea&ea2ea&ea
H x--x--x--x--
S ------x-----
B x----x------


Would that be correct? Basicly the exact same beat, with a subtle difference in the second bassdrum placement, wich totally changes the groove by changing the feel of that groove...

(I love this stuff :D )

[drummingtilldawn]

Just wanted to say dude that was some real layed back cool playing, :thumb: by the way how long have you been playing and whats your setup?

p.s. during some of your fills when you came back down 2 the hi-hat u seemed to speed-up just a fraction but then came back to your normal speed. I dunno if u ment 2 do that but was just wondering.

[PMSKnives]

Sounded elementary to me...Not a flame, just that I was expecting more...

Mark

[ThugsRook]

Sounded elementary to me...Not a flame, just that I was expecting more...

Mark
Jo is all about groove, and that definitely had groove :naughty:

the more simplistic the song is the more important the groove gets.

example: how much groove can you pull out of a simple 2+4 beat? :naughty:

[innerlo2]

Its also about ego.


:rolleyes:

[Byron]

Sounded elementary to me...Not a flame, just that I was expecting more...

Mark
I agree

[PMSKnives]

When I saw this: "Just to counter all the crazy double bass speed stuff" I was expecting more. Amen on the ego comment too....

Mark

[alexi2]

I agree with PMS

[playwithfire]

Sounds like some amateur expectations in here. "Where were the double bass 16ths at 210 bpm?" "Where were the 20 second tom fills?" "Where were the never-ending crashes Jos?" "We expected more from you" :rolleyes:. Take a lesson from Josiah. It's not all about flashy idiocy. Laid-back grooving, in *very* good timing, like what Jos was doing, *is* advanced drumming. If you want to get somewhere, you'll have to realize playing with other people isn't 12 tracks of the drummer going insane sh*tting bricks because he's playing so fast and crazily. You need to be able to be a platform for the other instruments and vocals to build on, and Josiah's track was a real nice groove.

[alexi2]

^^ we realize that but I have heard (imo) much nicer things of josiah (not that this one wasn't good, offcoarse it was) but he can do better...

[ThugsRook]

It's not all about flashy idiocy. Laid-back grooving, in *very* good timing, like what Jos was doing, *is* advanced drumming. If you want to get somewhere, you'll have to realize playing with other people isn't 12 tracks of the drummer going insane sh*tting bricks because he's playing so fast and crazily. You need to be able to be a platform for the other instruments and vocals to build on, and Josiah's track was a real nice groove.
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/pics/thumbs.gif

[PMSKnives]

:thumb:

^^ we realize that but I have heard (imo) much nicer things of josiah (not that this one wasn't good, offcoarse it was) but he can do better...

[playwithfire]

^^ we realize that but I have heard (imo) much nicer things of josiah (not that this one wasn't good, offcoarse it was) but he can do better...So it's like Andy Kaufman then. You have to constantly outdo yourself in the eyes of those around you, until you finally get to a point where you don't know what to do and everyone hates you :lol:.

[Det_Nosnip]

I enjoyed it.

Swung 4....12/8...triplets....these are all ways of notating the same thing.

[dontblink182]

Awesome, I absolutely loved the fills at the end.

[Josiah]

Thanks guys..

Yes, it could have been much better. I agree 100%. I actually played through that track about 10 times, I record my shedding so I can go back and listen, pick up on things and adjust my playing.

I was joking half way about the double bass comment, that track, that's the stuff I play all the time.. or some variation on the theme. Playing in churches, with songwriters etc. VERY rare I even use double bass in most the stuff I play. Sure, we all love to play lots of notes. It's just that I've been paid to play double bass with 1 or 2 bands, out of 1,000 gigs. It's the more realistic side of drumming I guess.

[TTTSNB]

Sounds cool man, nothing amazing, but really good time and great feel. You should post a clip of you going insane, just to show these guys what you can really do.

[Kosmos Tree]

"It's not what you play, it's what you don't play"

I enjoyed it, it was something different to all the chop fests we had lately.
Nice groove, smooth and relaxed :thumb:

[PMSKnives]

It was all good...Gettin a solid groove on can last a LONG time when playing...I LOVE some of the grooves on the PIL generic album...Like "Home" and "FFF"....Ginger Baker is one of the drummers that was used on that project...Talk about groove ability...

Mark

[ThugsRook]

I record my shedding so I can go back and listen, pick up on things and adjust my playing.
smart man, i do that myself http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/pics/thumbs.gif

[Quagmire 222]

I don't know why everyone else doesn't think this, but that was awesome imo.

[rockindrummer]

That was awsome Jo. Really nice groove, easy to listen to and great timing. When some people put up super fast consent playing solos most of the time I can't listen to the whole thing. A groove on the other hand is always listened through till the end, IMO grooves are much more relaxing and interesting to listen to.

[Damo]

Sounded elementary to me...Not a flame, just that I was expecting more...
Thats always been Josiahs appeal to my ears - playing the opposite to what you expect.

[Win A Rabbit]

it was very groovy, but i'd like to hear you pull off something more technical. i do like grooves more than polyrhythmic syncopated rhythms between 20 drums, but every once in a while, it's nice to hear something a bit more than straight 4 (or 12 in this case), you know?

good job though.

[Double Bass Jim]

Big J can lay it down.

[Det_Nosnip]

Sounds cool man, nothing amazing, but really good time and great feel. You should post a clip of you going insane, just to show these guys what you can really do.

I disagree. This IS what Josiah can really do, and it is why he is able to make money from playing the drums while most of the rest of us can not. If Josiah feels like posting something a bit crazier, then hey...more power to him, but he should never feel obligated to post something like that just to prove himself to a bunch of kids on an internet forum. :)

[Josiah]

Now I feel obligated to post something with chops... Oh I'm so confused!!

[Double Bass Jim]

Do it for the children!!

[DxRocker]

^^don't, at least not in responce to this thread...

Like you said: chops don't get you any work, groove does!

I'm just a crappy drummer in some town with a population of 10.000 and even I feel that it works this way. I gave the example on several occasions allready of the 2 schooled (as good as pro) drummers that live here and are barely asked, while I get asked all the time to play. I even "stole" some bands from those guys. Those bands kicked these drummers and asked me to replace them.

Not that I have unbelievable groove (I'm far behind you anyway, lol), but at least I try... Those other two apparantly feel it's necessary to play a bunch of chops and whatnot at the end of every other bar.

Your track was bloody awesome Josiah, and I'ld take that one over any chops track posted on here by virtually anybody...

EDIT: lol dbj :lol:

[Tim]

that was good man.

[PMSKnives]

What are some of the recording set up's that some of you are using? I would like the simplest I can get away with. My computer is at the opposite side of the house, away from my drums. I don't have a lot of recording experience with drums....Bout the only thing that I don't have recording experience with...

I would love to do some recording of my feable attempts at drumming/also to get critiqued...

Thanks
Mark

[-Obscurity-]

Something sounded a little funny arround the 2:26 mark. It could have been the jackhammer bearing construction crew outside my office though.

[MVSteve]

It's very good. Being simple for everything but fills is often one of the best ways to do that sort of groove(And even then, look at "Take Five". I thought the fills were easy, but they are well done.) Plus, then you can fix it in 10 tries or so, rather than dirting out things like most drummers.

And recording takes time. I learned that the first time I recorded something and listened back to it. It was the worst minute of my life and made me question my playing for a couple of weeks. Now recording isn't nearly as hard.(Although I could use new mics...)

[MassacreDrummer]

Hey Josiah. Your link seems to be broken... Or did you get rid of it?

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Well this was over more then a month ago...

[MassacreDrummer]

I realize that but I heard it was pretty good so I was hoping... Ahh whatever

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Yeah,
It's understandable.

Anyways,
Josiah has dissapered(sp) of the face of this planet and we dont know where he has gone.

I think he has returned as the new user "BONE"... we'll see.

[DxRocker]

I think he has returned as the new user "BONE"... we'll see.

now that would be funny :)

although I couldn't imagine why he would do that.

I miss the dude though
Flamacue is also overdue for a comeback :D

[Dave*Grohl]

^^ we realize that but I have heard (imo) much nicer things of josiah (not that this one wasn't good, offcoarse it was) but he can do better...

You have got to be from Finland, am i wrong??

[Flamacue]

wtf?? Are we talking about some other piece of audio? The link at the start of this thread still works and it's called 128-2.mp3 which I've saved. It's most definitely not in 12/8, it's a straight 4/4 groove using 8s and 16's on the hats. There are no triplets anywhere in it. It's just drums on this track, no music. Same one?
There is a glitch at 2:26 as someone pointed out so I'm guessing it is the same piece.

[Erotomania]

it sucked...

[crazyguy832]

How old is this?

o_O

Why'd you bump it, Flamacue, ya old geezer? (nah, j/k)

Nice playing, though, Jos.

You're an idiot Erotomania.

[Flamacue]

Well I'm not here passing judgement on the playing, I'm merely pointing out the time sig.

[Flamacue]

How old is this?

o_O

Why'd you bump it, Flamacue, ya old geezer? (nah, j/k)

Nice playing, though, Jos.

You're an idiot Erotomania.

I was doing a search for something ( not searching josiah) and came across it by accident, listened then said to myself, ' hang on, this ain't right, I think I'll mention it'

[crazyguy832]

Yeah, I counted that as 4/4...

But, dude... you bumped a thread from LAST YEAR.

Ah.

[Flamacue]

so?:)

[crazyguy832]

:lol:

You just destroyed my argument with a nonsensical reply.

[Flamacue]

hehe, sorry about that :D

[Maddox]

Oooohh...how I'd love to jam on it. :D

[Panopticon]

Couldn't 12/8 just be like 1.5 bars of 4/4?...the math makes sense at least...maybe not the feel...but twelve eighths is the same as six quarters...6 = 150% of 4...so it could be 12/8

[Flamacue]

12/8 = compound time, groupings of 1/8 notes in 3's giving a triplet feel but not actually triplets.

josiahs piece = none of the above

[dairyairman]

i'm afraid i'll have to agree with you. i listened to that and i didn't hear any trace of a triplet feel. i'm calling this a straight 4/4 groove. a good one, but 4/4 nevertheless.

[Flamacue]

Yup. Makes you wonder about PIT though doesn't it.

[Panopticon]

12/8 = compound time, groupings of 1/8 notes in 3's giving a triplet feel but not actually triplets.

josiahs piece = none of the above

haha...i knew i shouldnt have competed with the greats:smash: ...i got pwned...

[Flamacue]

hehe man, in no way am I a great. I wish! You didn't get pwned. I only pwn people I don't like :D