Help with grooves

[chickensandwiches]

i wanto to learn jazz style stuff to expand my drummin ive been drummin for about a year now and i was hopin in the advanced you guys might be able to help me out all i know so far about jazz styles is it has quite a bit of syncopation a random sound but structured none the less and rarely an actual defined beat its instead a groove as its called. itd be cool if some of you put up some example grooves to get me started with thx :thumb: :thumb: :wave:

[Seafroggys]

You should always groove, no matter what type of music you do.

Having said that, the best way to learn jazz is to join a school jazz band. Its how I learned. Plus you'll want at least a lesson or two to get the basics down. The reason why I say this is because even though I didn't take jazz lessons, my band instructor at the time was a drummer, and taught me the basis of jazz drumming, and since then I've developed what he taught me into something kickass.

I hope it pays off tomorrow, as I'm auditioning for the college jazz band.

[Caleb3221]

If at all possible, you should try to study under someone who is really a jazz drummer. Being in the room, and having them watch and guide you makes a world of difference. They can also guide your listening, turn you on to new stuff, and help you in every way imaginable.

[chickensandwiches]

sadly my school jazz band teacher is about as modern as stone you should hear the stuff they play its the most dumbed down stuff its not even jazz drums persay its just staight rock beats they rest of instruments are jazz and his band it plays just boring rolls. as for being around jazz drummers all i know is 2 douche bag butt rock drummers
and to top it off i live in a super middle class area with all these rapper peeple who ghetto this and ghetto that and gang signs biatch so im deprived and lesson i dont have 90 bucks a month to spare i looked for lessons and thats the cheapest in my area

[chickensandwiches]

i really do want to learn lots of styles i plan on going to percussion institute of technology after i get B.A. in recording and production but that wont be for about 5 years or more **** it sucks so perhaps you guys can help me out with some stuff to practice on at least until i get a real teacher thx

[Seafroggys]

Join that jazz band and show them whose boss!

[chickensandwiches]

thats the problem i dont know much about jazz drumming and i cant get help from teacher becuz of my previous statement im in a pickle

[Caleb3221]

It seems like you are in high school or middle school. If you can get into the jazz band, the band director should help you learn to play jazz drums. But, I'm not entirely sure how that will work in other schools, considering that my band director is a jazz drummer himself. If you really can't get lessons, you could try getting a book with play along recordings, such as John Riley's "The Art of Bop Drumming". That may move a little fast for you, but it has great information in it.

[chickensandwiches]

thx a lot guys been a great help yea the teach at my school , his expertise is at best mediocre marching band drumming and better at all the other non percussion instruments ill see what i can do

[norns]

buy The Tommy Igoe Dvd On Grooves [u]

[dedworx]

peter erskine has a new dvd/ book out. covers alot of stuff. from what i've heard he's a very articulate teacher. could be worth a look

[breakster]

Join that jazz band and show them whose boss!
Yea, thats what i did. I joined the band, and played what i thought sounded good. you have to realise that the guys who writes out the drum score, is generally not a drummer. Ive had entire songs without a snare drum and a medley written on one line.

Hmm, did that answer your question. Not really I suppose.

If you are serious about drumming, i reccomend a teacher.

[drummingtilldawn]

Buy a video/dvd or book on jazz drumming, it's at least a start.

[Wizz]

I can't really help you , but Jim Chapins Advanced Techniques are pretty cool.
It will be pretty hard to play if you havn't done any jazz but you will get there.

[Seafroggys]

Yea, thats what i did. I joined the band, and played what i thought sounded good. you have to realise that the guys who writes out the drum score, is generally not a drummer. Ive had entire songs without a snare drum and a medley written on one line.

Thats how it should be. That 'ensemble line' is what you accent, on top of the regular swing groove. Basic rule of playing jazz, works almost everytime.

[MVSteve]

Yea, thats what i did. I joined the band, and played what i thought sounded good. you have to realise that the guys who writes out the drum score, is generally not a drummer. Ive had entire songs without a snare drum and a medley written on one line.

Hmm, did that answer your question. Not really I suppose.

If you are serious about drumming, i reccomend a teacher.

I remember doing that in jazz band. They'd write out something, and I'd just improvise. Then again, they never really told us that The Girl From Ipanema was a Bossa Nova track. Whatever, still made it sound decent.(And yes, I realize it was an easy song. I haven't had jazz band since then.)(Most likely because the other teachers I had since then never really cared about it and were all about marching band and stuff.)

[Mapexian]

Listen to good jazz drummers or any jazz drummers......tony williams, philly joe(brushes)

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Listen to some Jcak DeJohnette he is a great drummer among my faves also dont limit yourself to one form of jazz listen to it all, Its all really good stuff

[FockerTheLopper]

Listen to jazz join a school jazz band, learn to read jazz charts, listen to jazz, listen to jazz, learn to use periods(.) in your sentences, listen to jazz and listen to jazz. Did I mention you should listen to jazz? Okay

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

just once or twice, :). but it is the key thing to do, listen and try n play along

[a1DrummerT]

Buy the book Studio/Jazz Drum Cookbook

Its has alot of grooves...helps independence a alot. as for feel..you dont just hit with no rythm (didnt know what else to say), although you shouldnt in any music. Jazz is very sophisticated. If you keep the beat with your bass, you play it soft, unlike other styles. Hope this helps

[some jive turkey]

peter erskine has a new dvd/ book out. covers alot of stuff. from what i've heard he's a very articulate teacher. could be worth a look

I have seen some older Erskine videos, and I agree, he's an articulate teacher.

I was also going to suggest Riley's the art of bop drumming. It's a pretty thorough explaination and a great book to start with.

The biggest obstacles for most drummers who come from a rock perspective is getting the feel of the softer bass drum, getting a good feel for swinging eighths, and learning to play off of what the soloist is doing (comping).
Really you can only learn comping by actually playing with others, so It's an experienced based skill, rather than something you develop out of a book.

I also suggest going to definately hear some live jazz. Talk to the band inbetween sets---see what they know.