Metal Gear Solid 4 [Ps3]

[Carn]

Will be unveiled this weekend at the Tokio Game Show (with a real-time demonstration), but the Famitsu already has some scan:

http://www.strain.nl/ps3/mgs1.jpg
http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/7306/mgs4039ot.jpg

Looks promising, Im curious about the new camera/radar system, I bet that little camerabot plays a role in it.

-edit; trying to find the other screenshot again-

[Klown]

Your images are down.

Yeah, it looks interesting, I can still remember when the first MGS game was about to come out, it doesn't seem all that long ago...

[Father_Jack]

Your images are down.

Yeah, it looks interesting, I can still remember when the first MGS game was about to come out, it doesn't seem all that long ago...


123

The first MGS game was awesome, it blew everything away. I can still remember gettin owned by metal gear.

[Carn]

oh and its not Big Boss but Snake. The Game is set a few years after Sons of Liberty..The "Eyepatch" is a sort of eye-monitor which Snake uses to watch the view through a camera-robot.

(And Big Boss' patch is on his right eye if I`m not mistaking)

[Mister_Che]

Good God he looks old!

[Phalanx]

Looks really good, but as usual, they've already completely ruined it by replacing the character, why can't they understand that the only character us gamers want to play is Solid Snake?

[Carn]

http://www.strain.nl/ps3/mgs2.jpg

[Carn]

Looks really good, but as usual, they've already completely ruined it by replacing the character, why can't they understand that the only character us gamers want to play is Solid Snake?

Kojima said himself that you`ll play as Solid Snake, so the grandpa in question is Snake :)

[Yppolitia]

It looks really cool but all the robots and stuff; I like it when it was nowadays.

[Prince of Darkness]

Looks good, but too bad it's only gonna be for PS3. I would've liked to play it on my PC.

[secret agent man]

is snakes that old in it, then ocelot n big boss are gonna be old cripples surely!

[Kingofdudes]

Play through the ending of MGS2 again, and pay attention to what Liquid says. Then you will know why he is so old.

[Voodoo Rabbit]

Everyone has aged.

Is that Otacon in one of the shoots?

Looks fun, nonetheless...

[secret agent man]

Play through the ending of MGS2 again, and pay attention to what Liquid says. Then you will know why he is so old.

that'll take to long! just tell me now. is it something to do with fox die??

[surfordie12]

I love theses games.

[NJSpeedbeast]

I wonder if his age will have to do with anything. Agility....speed.....ect. No Snake! Don't get old and die! NoooooOoOoooOOooOOOOoOoO!!!!!!!

[Kingofdudes]

that'll take to long! just tell me now. is it something to do with fox die??
When the Les Enfants Terrible project took place, they used Big Boss's cells from when he was old. This will cause The Les Enfants to age and deteriorate much faster than normal. Thus Snake is looking much older.

[Carn]

spot on.

You'll also see Snake injecting something into himself in the upper-right screenshot from the first picture..looks like an antidote or something.

[sinister]

I hope there are videos available of the real time stuff, it looks freaking amazing. I cant wait.

[Carn]

I suppose those will be available this weekend after or during the TGS show :)

[secret agent man]

When the Les Enfants Terrible project took place, they used Big Boss's cells from when he was old. This will cause The Les Enfants to age and deteriorate much faster than normal. Thus Snake is looking much older.

Ahh yes i remember that now. thanx :thumb:

[el doctor]

Kojima said himself that you`ll play as Solid Snake, so the grandpa in question is Snake :)Kojima also said that we'll be seeing Raiden again, although to what extent nobody really knows.

[nedab]

why'd he have to be old, he looked so much more bad *** when he was young. Im sure it wont affect how much ill enjoy this game though, especially with those graphics

[Yppolitia]

why'd he have to be old, he looked so much more bad *** when he was young. Im sure it wont affect how much ill enjoy this game though, especially with those graphics
Its set after Sons Of Liberty so obviously he's going to be older.

[Shadows]

Its set after Sons Of Liberty so obviously he's going to be older.
But in the few-year gap between MGS 1 and 2 he looked basically the same.

I'm excited, but the fact that Snake looks so old is a huge turnoff. I wouldn't mind the age, but why the stupid moustache? :(

[allalone]

So is there any news on the setting/plot yet?

[Carn]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143692

I knew it. Famitsu gets all the good Japanese games first. The latest issue contains so much juice it'll get you wet. I mean it. Wear a bib as you read on.

First, Metal Gear Solid 4 for PS3 is announced for real and new art and screens seem to show Snake as...an aging cop? That's what I gather from the grey moustache and the wrinkles. Is this Solid Snake from the future? A brief interview with Kojima mentions that there will be psychological elements at play in the game. If you intimidate the enemy AI, for example, they may get spooked and be less likely to fire back.

If you've seen the scans floating around the web, you've seen Solid Snake an old man looking closer to actor Sean Connery than your classic Snake. With Big Boss' picture having shown up in the early artwork and this 'new' Snake wearing an futuristic eye-patch - we're not 100% sure who this really is. Is Kojima up to his old tricks again?

In a short interview with Famitsu, Kojima says MGS4 "...is a game for the old people. As a game designer in my 40s, I feel this is something I really need to do. I'll leave the teenage coming of age stories for my younger staff."

The setting for MGS4 is an intense battlefield with soldiers, tanks, and mini versions of the Metal Gear Rex walking the streets on patrol. A scientist we're guessing is none other than geek Otacon is also shown in the early screens.

What about everybody's favorite hero Raiden? Don't count him out yet. "This time around Raiden is really cool. He's completely changed. You'll see him in the TGS trailer."


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/650/650853p1.html

September 14, 2005 - In its last issue, Famitsu promised that its upcoming issue would feature the worldwide scoop on Metal Gear Solid 4, and sure enough, that's what we've gotten in this week's issue. The magazine offers a first look at the PS3 sequel, complete with details that we're sure will be solidified once the Tokyo Game Show opens its doors on Friday and we're able to view Konami's MGS4 trailer.

The magazine actually shares just a handful of details on the game itself, leaving most of the talking to the screenshots, which show one of the most realistic real time displays ever set to the game screen. In the screenshots, Snake -- or whom we believe to be Snake -- is revealed to be an old timer this time. The old character wields a gun and assumes Snake-like stealth poses in some shots. He's also shown interacting with a robot known as Metal Gear Mark II. If you've played one of Kojima's lesser known series, Snatcher, you'll recognize this robot, as it has appeared in that series in the past.

Raiden will also return, series producer Hideo Kojima reveals to the magazine. The new Raiden will apparently be so cool that you'll rethink your opinion of the Raiden from MGS2. The TGS trailer will give us a first look at Raiden's next generation debut.

Screenshots also show what appears to be an Otacon-like character -- that is, a guy with glasses appears in the shots and he looks just like one would expect Otacon to. Although, he's far more detailed than previous Otacon characters have been thanks to the new power at the hands of Kojima Productions. And, like the new Snake, he looks a bit older this time around.

Aside from character differences, MGS4 promises some changes in world structure. The world of Metal Gear Solid 4 is meant to be a war zone. While this was said of previous MGS games, this time you'll totally feel it. As you move through the game world, you'll see tanks, soldiers and fighter robots everywhere, indicating that you really are in a war zone.

In comments with the magazine, Kojima shared some ideas on what went into the creation of MGS4. First, according to Kojima, the game's philosophy went from "real" to "natural." As an example of this, Kojima suggests that the exclamation marks, that in past MGS games have indicated when an enemy has discovered the player, may disappear from the game. MGS4 is apparently capable of expressing such an event naturally, based on the facial expressions and the motions of the enemy.

The change to a more "natural" Metal Gear Solid takes on another form, Kojima reveals. Enemies, and the way in which you view enemies, will have greater dimension than the typical two dimensions of past games. Kojima doesn't reveal specifics, but does cite examples of Snake arriving in a battle field where country A and country B are fighting. Even though just two countries are fighting, it's possible that within one of the countries, there are different organizations that have different views and are also at odds with one another. What if Snake were to kill an A country solider. Wouldn't B country become Snake's ally? Kojima promises that we'll better understand this idea once we've seen the TGS trailer.

In addition to multidimensional enemies, Kojima promises a new element of psychological warfare with MGS4. In past installments, enemies have simply targeted the player with attacks, something that Kojima refers to as being unnatural. Kojima asks, what if the enemy were to threaten the player -- what kind of psychological effect would that have on the player's concentration and ability to move? Sadly, he doesn't go into specifics.

The shots revealed in the magazine are images running on actual PS3 hardware, and as impressive as they are, they will get better, according to Kojima's comments. While the images in the magazine are pulled from a demonstration clip, the world of MGS4 that you'll control when playing the game on the PS3 will look as good. And we assume the same can be said about the TGS trailer as a whole.

Expect to get your first look at Metal Gear Solid 4 once the trailer airs on Friday. Stay tuned IGNPS3 for more around that time.

[IbanezSamurai]

Maybe the game will be set in different time periods?!
maybe one of them will be right after the end of MGS2 when snake placed the locator on Ocelots Metal Gear.

I've just noticed that grandpa Snake is wearing one of those exoskeleton suits.

[bobby__johnny]

heres a question though (now, keep in mind i havent played MGS2 or 3....but i have played the originals and MGS)

but how many times (and how much money can people invest) into such a seemly expensive armoured unit such as metal gear.....its just insane that Snake has to destroy...yet again, another metal gear :lol:

ahwell.....time to go find a copy of MGS2 i think

[Carn]

well, MGS1, 2 and 3 are pretty much a cohesive story, so play them :)

[FlyingPaul_83]

whoa, that looks coo, but he looks nothing like himself :(

[Mr. Ron]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG.

:eek:



I'm sorry, I need a few minutes to take those pictures in....

[Tillius]

Graphics are amazing.

[Mr. Ron]

Graphics are amazing.
Yes, but what important is the story line, character devolopment and the famous plot twists MGS is known for.

[graymonkey44]

Yes, but what important is the story line, character devolopment and the famous plot twists MGS is known for.
Except the plot twists were massively retarded in MGS2.

[equinox]

MGS is a master peice, definitely one of the best games ever made.

[Mr. Ron]

Except the plot twists were massively retarded in MGS2.
I wouldn't say retarded, but they were weaker than usual.

[equinox]

I wouldn't say retarded, but they were weaker than usual.

And bloody confusing.

[Tillius]

Yes, but what important is the story line, character devolopment and the famous plot twists MGS is known for.
Oh yes....I know. But Hideo can do it. I have faith.

[Chanandler Bong]

I'm gonna pull out MGS and play through the series.

[Carn]

some highres screens:

http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs1.jpg
http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs2.jpg
http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs3.jpg
http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs4.jpg
http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs5.jpg
http://www.strain.nl/ps3/tgs/mgs6.jpg

Shaky-Cam trailer (definitly worth seeing):

http://tallah.org/video/mgs4.wmv

[-Listy-]

Shaky-Cam trailer (definitly worth seeing):

http://tallah.org/video/mgs4.wmv

I can safely say, that looks stunning

[Mr. Ron]

I can safely say, that looks stunning
I can safely say MGS4 will be the best game to ever come out on the new systems. I will stand by those words.

[JeBuSrOcKs]

i actually cant wait for MGS4. i have loved all the previous games and this games looks even more stunning than the rest

[Ramsey]

I wouldn't say retarded, but they were weaker than usual.
No i'd say retarded...

Sorry, haha.

[Grant]

My interest in PS3 just skyrocketed. This game looks very impressive. I'm a huge fan of the MG series, this looks to be amazing. The warzone environment is most intriguing.

[Mr. Ron]

No i'd say retarded...

Sorry, haha.
Haha, well to each their own. :thumb:


seriously, I will lock myself in my room with sufficiant food and beverage supplies to play this game.

[Shadows]

No i'd say retarded...

Sorry, haha.
I thought many of the plot twists in MGS2 were better than before. :( Except when it turned out that Fortune really had mystical powers and Vamp was some kind of invulnerable super villain - that was truly retarded.

[FlyingPaul_83]

I just can get over the fact that he looks nothing like himself in MGS2. The moustache is gross, and I thought snakes eyes were blue or green?

[Mr. Ron]

I just can get over the fact that he looks nothing like himself in MGS2. The moustache is gross, and I thought snakes eyes were blue or green?
He's 10 years older.....you'll obviously look different after 10 years.

[FlyingPaul_83]

He's 10 years older.....you'll obviously look different after 10 years.


yeah, but the eye thing?

[Mr. Ron]

yeah, but the eye thing?
Who cares what eye color he has? Plus, I think the patch/computer thing over his eye will be awesome to play around with in the game.

[IbanezSamurai]

I just can get over the fact that he looks nothing like himself in MGS2.
Maybe you can get a shaver (just like in MGS2) and give it to Snake so that he can she it off.

[FlyingPaul_83]

tee hee that would be funny :lol:

On Game spot they are calling it Metal Gear Soild 4:Guns of the Patriots

[Double Bass Jim]

Haha **** ole' snakes lookin old!

[Liberi Fatali]

Well Snake Plissken has an eyebrow patch, so now it'll feel like I'm playing as the original himself haha.

http://www.cool-movie-trivia.com/images/Snake1.jpg

I love it how Kojima always adds a bit of humour into the videos haha.

[NJSpeedbeast]

I can't wait!!!!

[Double Bass Jim]

Well Snake Plissken has an eyebrow patch, so now it'll feel like I'm playing as the original himself haha.

http://www.cool-movie-trivia.com/images/Snake1.jpg

I love it how Kojima always adds a bit of humour into the videos haha.
Haha nice.

All the MGS's are a tribute to EFNY. Revolver ocelot = lee van cleef.

[Kingofdudes]

He's 10 years older.....you'll obviously look different after 10 years.
especially if you come from the cells of an older man.

[IbanezSamurai]

they are making him a Snake Fisher

[deejuks2]

That's what i was thinking

[Mr. Ron]

they are making him a Snake Fisher
Why do you say that? Just because the incorporated a little more technology into the game?

[allalone]

Why is this game going to kick so much ***? Please, someone tell me.

[-Listy-]

Are you blind.

[Sebek]

I absolutely love MGS, but playing as him being so old is a put-off. That and to be honest I'm not looking forward to the "no-hiding, all out warfare" approach this time around. It just won't be the same.

[graymonkey22]

I absolutely love MGS, but playing as him being so old is a put-off. That and to be honest I'm not looking forward to the "no-hiding, all out warfare" approach this time around. It just won't be the same.
I don't think it's supposed to be all out warfare. I think it's just going to be a lot more challenging without more places to hide. Well that's how I percieved it, at least.

[Sebek]

I don't think it's supposed to be all out warfare. I think it's just going to be a lot more challenging without more places to hide. Well that's how I percieved it, at least.


Maybe I read it wrong then. I just remember reading either online or in some gaming magazine that it was supposed to be like, "Droping Snake off in the middle of the movie Black Hawk Down."

[Mr. Ron]

Why is this game going to kick so much ***? Please, someone tell me.
Maybe you are a little slow. Watch the trailer.

[graymonkey22]

Maybe you are a little slow. Watch the trailer.
How am I slow?

[Mr. Ron]

How am I slow?
Did you read the thread? It's filled with reasons why it's going to be kickass.

[graymonkey22]

I know.

[Mr. Ron]

I know.
Wait....that "you're slow" comment wasn't even directed towards you...

EDIT: You're on a new account. nvm.

[<blockhead>]

You guys do know that Kojima said he was done after MGS3 right? He's not directing this one.

[Otherside]

You guys do know that Kojima said he was done after MGS3 right? He's not directing this one.

Wrong. He came back for another one.

[<blockhead>]

Wrong. He came back for another one.
Nevermind then.

[Mr. Ron]

You guys do know that Kojima said he was done after MGS3 right? He's not directing this one.
He's definetly directing this one.

[mexidude]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143692

I knew it. Famitsu gets all the good Japanese games first. The latest issue contains so much juice it'll get you wet. I mean it. Wear a bib as you read on.

First, Metal Gear Solid 4 for PS3 is announced for real and new art and screens seem to show Snake as...an aging cop? That's what I gather from the grey moustache and the wrinkles. Is this Solid Snake from the future? A brief interview with Kojima mentions that there will be psychological elements at play in the game. If you intimidate the enemy AI, for example, they may get spooked and be less likely to fire back.

If you've seen the scans floating around the web, you've seen Solid Snake an old man looking closer to actor Sean Connery than your classic Snake. With Big Boss' picture having shown up in the early artwork and this 'new' Snake wearing an futuristic eye-patch - we're not 100% sure who this really is. Is Kojima up to his old tricks again?

In a short interview with Famitsu, Kojima says MGS4 "...is a game for the old people. As a game designer in my 40s, I feel this is something I really need to do. I'll leave the teenage coming of age stories for my younger staff."

The setting for MGS4 is an intense battlefield with soldiers, tanks, and mini versions of the Metal Gear Rex walking the streets on patrol. A scientist we're guessing is none other than geek Otacon is also shown in the early screens.

What about everybody's favorite hero Raiden? Don't count him out yet. "This time around Raiden is really cool. He's completely changed. You'll see him in the TGS trailer."


http://ps3.ign.com/articles/650/650853p1.html

September 14, 2005 - In its last issue, Famitsu promised that its upcoming issue would feature the worldwide scoop on Metal Gear Solid 4, and sure enough, that's what we've gotten in this week's issue. The magazine offers a first look at the PS3 sequel, complete with details that we're sure will be solidified once the Tokyo Game Show opens its doors on Friday and we're able to view Konami's MGS4 trailer.

The magazine actually shares just a handful of details on the game itself, leaving most of the talking to the screenshots, which show one of the most realistic real time displays ever set to the game screen. In the screenshots, Snake -- or whom we believe to be Snake -- is revealed to be an old timer this time. The old character wields a gun and assumes Snake-like stealth poses in some shots. He's also shown interacting with a robot known as Metal Gear Mark II. If you've played one of Kojima's lesser known series, Snatcher, you'll recognize this robot, as it has appeared in that series in the past.

Raiden will also return, series producer Hideo Kojima reveals to the magazine. The new Raiden will apparently be so cool that you'll rethink your opinion of the Raiden from MGS2. The TGS trailer will give us a first look at Raiden's next generation debut.

Screenshots also show what appears to be an Otacon-like character -- that is, a guy with glasses appears in the shots and he looks just like one would expect Otacon to. Although, he's far more detailed than previous Otacon characters have been thanks to the new power at the hands of Kojima Productions. And, like the new Snake, he looks a bit older this time around.

Aside from character differences, MGS4 promises some changes in world structure. The world of Metal Gear Solid 4 is meant to be a war zone. While this was said of previous MGS games, this time you'll totally feel it. As you move through the game world, you'll see tanks, soldiers and fighter robots everywhere, indicating that you really are in a war zone.

In comments with the magazine, Kojima shared some ideas on what went into the creation of MGS4. First, according to Kojima, the game's philosophy went from "real" to "natural." As an example of this, Kojima suggests that the exclamation marks, that in past MGS games have indicated when an enemy has discovered the player, may disappear from the game. MGS4 is apparently capable of expressing such an event naturally, based on the facial expressions and the motions of the enemy.

The change to a more "natural" Metal Gear Solid takes on another form, Kojima reveals. Enemies, and the way in which you view enemies, will have greater dimension than the typical two dimensions of past games. Kojima doesn't reveal specifics, but does cite examples of Snake arriving in a battle field where country A and country B are fighting. Even though just two countries are fighting, it's possible that within one of the countries, there are different organizations that have different views and are also at odds with one another. What if Snake were to kill an A country solider. Wouldn't B country become Snake's ally? Kojima promises that we'll better understand this idea once we've seen the TGS trailer.

In addition to multidimensional enemies, Kojima promises a new element of psychological warfare with MGS4. In past installments, enemies have simply targeted the player with attacks, something that Kojima refers to as being unnatural. Kojima asks, what if the enemy were to threaten the player -- what kind of psychological effect would that have on the player's concentration and ability to move? Sadly, he doesn't go into specifics.

The shots revealed in the magazine are images running on actual PS3 hardware, and as impressive as they are, they will get better, according to Kojima's comments. While the images in the magazine are pulled from a demonstration clip, the world of MGS4 that you'll control when playing the game on the PS3 will look as good. And we assume the same can be said about the TGS trailer as a whole.

Expect to get your first look at Metal Gear Solid 4 once the trailer airs on Friday. Stay tuned IGNPS3 for more around that time.

I've seen the trailer like 5 times now and I didn't see raiden at all? Or maybe he is there and i missed him? Either way i was one of those raiden haters back when sons of liberty came out but after i finished the game i didn't think he was that bad. O and about snake and being old and the 'stache I don't really mind that much because i know snake is still gonna be a badass. If you could get something in the game to shave it off though I probably would. Also don't forget that everytime we thought Kojima couldn't throw us another crazy plot twist he ends up doing just that and I remember liquid wanting the remains of big boss. Maybe he gets them and makes some vaccine to cure them of the advanced aging? Just a thought but I think we might see young snake again, you just never know what is going to happen in metal gear :naughty: man i love these games.

[Mr. Ron]

I've seen the trailer like 5 times now and I didn't see raiden at all? Or maybe he is there and i missed him? Either way i was one of those raiden haters back when sons of liberty came out but after i finished the game i didn't think he was that bad. O and about snake and being old and the 'stache I don't really mind that much because i know snake is still gonna be a badass. If you could get something in the game to shave it off though I probably would. Also don't forget that everytime we thought Kojima couldn't throw us another crazy plot twist he ends up doing just that and I remember liquid wanting the remains of big boss. Maybe he gets them and makes some vaccine to cure them of the advanced aging? Just a thought but I think we might see young snake again, you just never know what is going to happen in metal gear :naughty: man i love these games.
All I can say is, when I get this game, I won't be leaving my playstation for a few days. :D

[<blockhead>]

All I can say is, when I get this game, I won't be leaving my playstation for a few days. :D
Thats what I did with MGS3. Woke up, went to school, got home started playing and didn't stop until 11 when I go to bed.

[Yield]

looks good

[IbanezSamurai]

Meryl, Naomi, Ocelot, Big Boss are going to be in the game.

[FlyingPaul_83]

so, can someone link me to the TGS game demo, or is it not available yet?

[Chanandler Bong]

Big Boss is going to in mgs4? I wonder how they'll pull that off.

[Grant]

After watching the trailer obsessively for the last few days, I have one conclusion. This will be one Hell of a game.

[FlyingPaul_83]

can someone link me to the trailer?

[infinate_ammo]

All I can say is, when I get this game, I won't be leaving my playstation for a few days. :D
You realise this is a playstation 3 game?

[Mr. Ron]

You realise this is a playstation 3 game?
Yes, I know it is a Playstation3 game. I call it playstation for short since it IS a playstation. Who cares?

[infinate_ammo]

Jesus cares

[FlyingPaul_83]

what happend to amostbitterseason?

was that one perma banned?

[Mr. Ron]

Jesus cares
Seriously, you care too much.

[Mr. Ron]

what happend to amostbitterseason?

was that one perma banned?
Yeah, I was banned for posting a picture that I didn't know was linked to some pr0n. It was unfair.

[infinate_ammo]

Back to my original point, this game is all about time travel

[Mr. Ron]

Back to my original point, this game is all about time travel
Where did you hear that from?

[infinate_ammo]

It's my theory

[Mr. Ron]

It's my theory
I doubt it. In the trailer it said it was ten years after big shell. I'm guessing it's more of a take down of a huge military organization.

[infinate_ammo]

only 10 years after big shell? Snakes looks about 90

[Shadows]

only 10 years after big shell? Snakes looks about 90
Snake was created by cloning Big Boss's cells, but BB was very old when they did that. It resulted in Snake's age progressing extremely rapidly.

[infinate_ammo]

Well I'm not gonna argue logic in a game where a guys hand posesses another guys body

[Mr. Ron]

only 10 years after big shell? Snakes looks about 90
He's in his late 40's in this game.

[MBS]

is snakes that old in it, then ocelot n big boss are gonna be old cripples surely!

Big Boss has been WAY dead, buddy.

[Carn]

can someone link me to the trailer?

www.gametrailers.com
(various versions)

still no great, high-res direct feed version tho :)

the direct-feed version from the konami site:
http://rapidshare.de/files/5258716/tgs2005_mgs4.asf.html
(select free; wait for the other page to load. wait around 30 seconds and a link to download the file should be available at the bottom)

[Carn]

I've seen the trailer like 5 times now and I didn't see raiden at all? Or maybe he is there and i missed him?

Appearently Konami showed a funny trailer about Raiden at the show, it hasnt surfaced online yet.



For everyone's Metal Gear related questions, I sugges to check out this thread:
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=926596&topic=23624276&page=0

(spoilers abound, so dont look if you havent played MGS1/2/3)

[Pop music sucks]

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=926596&topic=23624276&page=0 :eek:


:amaze:

[Rusty Metal Head]

the "funny" trailer is on gamespot. Its got nothing to do with showing off the new game..more "setting" the scene. This game looks kick arse.

Im guessing raiden will be like a back up character eg both of you work together to destroy a camp and you have choices of where the characters go etc.
or something like sniper bit in mgs2.

[FlyingPaul_83]

Thank you carn :)

[Chanandler Bong]

I bet we can expect a 2007 release date eh?

[FlyingPaul_83]

wow that trailer is awesome.

[Chanandler Bong]

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050923.jpg

[Mr. Ron]

^^^ Lmao

[Jimothy the 33rd]

wow... I can't wait for this now. Do we know where the warfare is going on? and I'm a bit worried about what was said earlier about the all out fighting and nowhere to hide that they said about in the trailer, I hope it doesn't make it any less MGS. I watched a trailer from the konami site and I don't know if there's any differences because I didn't watch the trailers posted on here but I pooped myself when it stared off in First Person.
and the strip above^^ lmao

[graymonkey44]

wow... I can't wait for this now. Do we know where the warfare is going on? and I'm a bit worried about what was said earlier about the all out fighting and nowhere to hide that they said about in the trailer, I hope it doesn't make it any less MGS. I watched a trailer from the konami site and I don't know if there's any differences because I didn't watch the trailers posted on here but I pooped myself when it stared off in First Person.
and the strip above^^ lmao
I have an old EGM(Electronic Gaming Monthly) Magazine, and they talk about MGS4 in it. Here is what they said about the "nowhere to hide" bit.

"It does not mean that you don't need to hide. It will be a stealth game, like the ones we've produced in the past. Yo do need to hide. That is the purpose of the game. The concept behind the "no place to hide" is as you saw in the trailer: There was a building and then it was bombed, and suddenly there was no cover. That's the concept... there is no safety zone. According to the environment, things will always be changing, and there might be conditions where there is literally nowhere to hide."

I hope that makes everyone feel a little bit better. It seems like it'll be wicked hard, in my opinion.

[Sebek]

I have an old EGM(Electronic Gaming Monthly) Magazine, and they talk about MGS4 in it. Here is what they said about the "nowhere to hide" bit.

"It does not mean that you don't need to hide. It will be a stealth game, like the ones we've produced in the past. Yo do need to hide. That is the purpose of the game. The concept behind the "no place to hide" is as you saw in the trailer: There was a building and then it was bombed, and suddenly there was no cover. That's the concept... there is no safety zone. According to the environment, things will always be changing, and there might be conditions where there is literally nowhere to hide."

I hope that makes everyone feel a little bit better. It seems like it'll be wicked hard, in my opinion.

Actually yeah that cleared up a lot for me, now I'm really looking forward to it.


You know, except that Snake will still be old.

[Dave]

Big Boss is going to in mgs4? I wonder how they'll pull that off.

It will most probably be his remains, or they've cloned him... again...

[Dave]

Snake was created by cloning Big Boss's cells, but BB was very old when they did that. It resulted in Snake's age progressing extremely rapidly.

It also explains why Octacon hasn't ages much compared to Snake.

[Yield]

I learned somewhere that the eyepatch is some kind of night vision thing. I don't know if its that, but I know he doesn't have it because he lost his eye or something like that

[MrConeman]

Yes whoever mentiond the rapid aging is right, do you people even play the games...bear with me here

Liquid, Solidus and Solid all born (created rather) AT THE SAME TIME , fathered (cloned rather) from THE SAME PERSON, yet no one here wondered why Solidus looks much older than Solid and Liquid ever did in MGS2, these three clones have a rapid aging problem, it kicks in for each of them at a different time Solidus got it first obviously, and now its kicking in for Solid Snake, so it doesnt mean this game is set in any distant future, how could it?, the concept art clearly shows everyone else as being their regular age or slightly older with Otacons greys coming through a little.

They eye-patch over Snakes eye is not actualy an eye-patch he hasnt lost an eye or gone blind, its a device called the 'Solid-Eye' it will possibly replace his binoculars (as seen in the trailer...proving hes not blind in that eye aswell I might add) thermal goggles and night vision.

Something else I'd like to quell would be rumours that the main character is not Solid Snake, it clearly is Snake, just rapid aged older and with a device over his eye, not the same eye Big boss had an eye patch over so stop thinking its him, not only that but hes officialy dead so it might be a little hard for it to be him, not only that but Otacon talks to him from the mini Metal Gear Otacon only personally knew Solid Snake.

Another thing I'd like to put an end to, the trailer doesnt say 10 years it says "X years" X being a variable...has anyone learned algebra?! its not confirmed how many years later it is.

Thank you for your time, stop being silly.

[GiB]

Looks awesome. I find MGS games to be very difficult though.

[Jimothy the 33rd]

I have an old EGM(Electronic Gaming Monthly) Magazine, and they talk about MGS4 in it. Here is what they said about the "nowhere to hide" bit.

"It does not mean that you don't need to hide. It will be a stealth game, like the ones we've produced in the past. Yo do need to hide. That is the purpose of the game. The concept behind the "no place to hide" is as you saw in the trailer: There was a building and then it was bombed, and suddenly there was no cover. That's the concept... there is no safety zone. According to the environment, things will always be changing, and there might be conditions where there is literally nowhere to hide."

I hope that makes everyone feel a little bit better. It seems like it'll be wicked hard, in my opinion.

ah thanks, that's cleared it up for me. Now hearing that I want to play it even more. I hope I get a new tv by then...my previous one was so old I turned it on one day and it started to smoke out of the back.... I was scared and now I can't play my playstation :upset:

[Mr. Ron]

Looks awesome. I find MGS games to be very difficult though.
Not really, just challenging.

[Dave]

Another thing I'd like to put an end to, the trailer doesnt say 10 years it says "X years" X being a variable...has anyone learned algebra?! its not confirmed how many years later it is.

Thank you for your time, stop being silly.

X = Ten in roman numerals

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

X = Ten in roman numerals
Owned.

[MrConeman]

X is 10 in roman numerals, no **** sherlock, but in this case its the variable X, if it was 10 years it would say 10 and everyone else would look 10 years older not just Snake, explain that one....idiot

[Yppolitia]

Looks awesome. I find MGS games to be very difficult though.
Even on the lower difficulties?

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

X is 10 in roman numerals, no **** sherlock, but in this case its the variable X, if it was 10 years it would say 10 and everyone else would look 10 years older not just Snake, explain that one....idiot
You don't know if they are referring to the variable or the Roman Numeral. And, anways, in algebra, a lower-cased x is known as the variable. While if it was a lower-cased x, we would know for sure if it was a variable, but if it was an upper-cased X it, obviously, is referring to Roman Numerals. And if you learned how to read, you would know that Snake has the aging disorder from when he was cloned from Big Boss. And Otacon looks quite a bit older too. And don't be such a prick. So explain that one... dickhead.

[MrConeman]

Explain it?...I already have, the concept art of the game shows every other character as being slightly older definatly not 10 years ahead of themselves.
Its so blindingly obvious that it isnt 10 years away even thinking it is frankly stupid, but this is all I'm going to say on the subject if people want to beleive its a Roman Numeral go right ahead :)

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

Explain it?...I already have, the concept art of the game shows every other character as being slightly older definatly not 10 years ahead of themselves.
Its so blindingly obvious that it isnt 10 years away even thinking it is frankly stupid, but this is all I'm going to say on the subject if people want to beleive its a Roman Numeral go right ahead :)
I really don't think you know how to read.

First off. How would you know what every other character looks like when it has only shown Otacon and Snake? Tow characters. And this picture definitely doesn't look slightly older.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/651/651322/metal-gear-solid-4-20050915072843356.jpg

If you actually played MGS2 you would know that that is a really huge age difference from the game. Stop trying to pull stuff out of your ***. And how can you tell someones age from concept art? It's not what it is actually going to look like in the game.

[MrConeman]

Look man, beleive what you want, but expect this thread to be bumped when the next trailer comes out and completely proves you wrong.

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

Look man, beleive what you want, but expect this thread to be bumped when the next trailer comes out and completely proves you wrong.
Just say that you're just making crap up without virtually anything to back you up with. Just basing something off concept art that you can barely get you any idea of what the people actually look like in the game isn't a fromittable argument. Hell, the conecept art for solid snake and Otacon looks nothing like it does in the trailer and pictures. So I will say once again, stop pulling **** out of your ***.

[secret agent man]

i gotta say i thought it was x (as in the variable), not 10. why wouldnt it just say 10 if it meant 10?

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

i gotta say i thought it was x (as in the variable), not 10. why wouldnt it just say 10 if it meant 10?
Why does Hideo do whatever he does? He makes 40 minute cut-scenes and plenty of plot twists in one scene to make your head hurt for days.

[Dave]

The idea behind Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 completely changed from their initial ideas, and concept art, so it could all be changed, and all of us could be wrong.

I personally don't give a toss, you can all think what you like. I never even said i thought it was 10 years after MGS2, I just said X is 10 in roman numerals, which is why some people may think that its set 10 years after MGS2.

[MrConeman]

I was reading somewhere that in the next trailer they will release its going to show the 'new look' Raiden, Hideo obviously heard everyones complaints after MGS2, hes meant to be much cooler now...bet he isnt 10 years older though :p

[Dave]

I was reading somewhere that in the next trailer they will release its going to show the 'new look' Raiden, Hideo obviously heard everyones complaints after MGS2, hes meant to be much cooler now...bet he isnt 10 years older though :p

Yeah, i read that too.

Has anyone played Twin Snakes? They totally ruined mgs1, i hate snake's matrix moves, especially against the chopper, and metal gear...

[Jimothy the 33rd]

Has anyone played Twin Snakes? They totally ruined mgs1, i hate snake's matrix moves, especially against the chopper, and metal gear...
I've played some of it. Did they make it much worse then? the controls in MGS1 annoyed me though cos I played Sons of Liberty and then it was like wft no shooting in first person? how am I gonna play now *cries* but what I played of Twin Snakes seemed okay. What would have been a better idea would to have been releasing Twin snakes on PS2 just updated and with the same controls as Sons of Liberty but I could be alone on that.
I still wanna know where 4 is set :confused:

[Mr. Ron]

It Takes Place 10 Years After The Big Shell. Now Stop Bickering.

[MrConeman]

It Takes Place 10 Years After The Big Shell. Now Stop Bickering.

You dont know that and we already stoped bickering.

About Twin Snakes, I thought it was brilliant actually, some of the cut scenes were ruined though all those cheesy action moves, but it was a great adaptation of MGS1

[Rusty Metal Head]

I heard that its actually a few years after Big Shell. The reason snake is so old is becuase the ageing side effects,that happen to the clones of big boss,has finally kicked into Solid. Thats why Solidus looked so old, because the ageing side effects kicked in earlier.

got this all from gamespot...

[Dave]

You dont know that and we already stoped bickering.

About Twin Snakes, I thought it was brilliant actually, some of the cut scenes were ruined though all those cheesy action moves, but it was a great adaptation of MGS1

The way Snake dodges Metal gears bullets, when ocelot shoots him, and when he jumps onto the rocket... It totally ruined Snakes image, they made him act like Neo... Just as stupid to boot.

EDIT: I loved what they did with the Mantis cutscenes though

[infinate_ammo]

I didn't like Twin Snakes as much as the original. The controls felt weird on GC and it just didn't feel the same. The music was crap too. However the scene after you kill Raven was absolutely brilliant in twin snakes, and the scene where Ninja cuts the bullet in half.

[MrConeman]

Oh no doubt the Ps1 version was much much better, but Think of how much could have went wrong with that game, they could have messed around with plot lines, dialouge, left out certain parts, Y'know?

[Dave]

Oh no doubt the Ps1 version was much much better, but Think of how much could have went wrong with that game, they could have messed around with plot lines, dialouge, left out certain parts, Y'know?

They did mess around with the dialogue quite a bit, but yeah, i know what you mean.

[MrConeman]

They did mess around with the dialogue quite a bit , but yeah, i know what you mean.


They did?
I hadnt realised..hmm..Maybe I should replay that game.

[Chris K]

I'll have to pick it up now that I'm cubed, so to speak.

[Dave]

They did?
I hadnt realised..hmm..Maybe I should replay that game.


They took away a lot of Snake's whitty lines, like when he's fighting Raven, etc.

[secret agent man]

They took away a lot of Snake's whitty lines, like when he's fighting Raven, etc.

i like the bit when he says "you wanna pul each others ears?"

[Jimothy the 33rd]

They took away a lot of Snake's whitty lines, like when he's fighting Raven, etc.
Oh that sounds like it's no fun. Better cutscenes sounds good though, wish they woulda did it for Ps2 cos I don't have a gamecube and I'm too poor for one :upset:

[Happy]

They took away a lot of Snake's whitty lines, like when he's fighting Raven, etc.
They were the best.

[Dave]

They were the best.


Yeah, the new cutscenes make Snake seem really stupid, and that he has matrix powers, other than that Twin Snakes is good.

[Yield]

If I had money I would try to buy an MGS game, but since I don't, I'll have to just keep borrowing my friends copy

[superdigg]

I don't think playing as old-snake will feel too cool. and that moustache. terrible. i think they might give us a 2nd character this time around too, like, i can see snake getting incapacitated or something. but that's too cliche. oh, kojima is so tricky.

[Yield]

what would be cool would be if you could get a razor and shave the mustache off.