The Official Against Me! Thread

[Kepone-Factory]

ahhh well atleast punk still has integrity with propagandhi.

[Anxious]

Since I am a bastard, I will exploit this with every chance I get.

[sketchyjoe]

They've skewered themselves on their former ideals. I'm not judging Against Me! by my opinions, there's plenty of great bands on majors, but by their own (ex-)standards they're complete hypocrites. Everything they say is now suspect and every word that comes out of their mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink.

I've been expecting this ever since they screwed PIX over the Crime EP.

[Brain Toad]

I guess I'm the only fan that doesn't care.

Sure now their politics are meaningless and hypocritical. But if they still produce good music (ignoring the hypcrocisy of the lyrics), then why give a ****. There is too much weight put on lyrics that people will hate a band that plays well because their lyrics are bad.

Music is more important than lyrics, for me.

[sketchyjoe]

I guess I'm the only fan that doesn't care.

Sure now their politics are meaningless and hypocritical. But if they still produce good music (ignoring the hypcrocisy of the lyrics), then why give a ****. There is too much weight put on lyrics that people will hate a band that plays well because their lyrics are bad.

Music is more important than lyrics, for me.
It depends on the band. Against Me! were a band that had lyrics that mattered. For them to sign to a major contradicts the supposed point of their existence as much as Holiday in Cambodia playing on a Levi's ad does for DK.

I can just see the Against Me! commercial now:

"Hi! I'm Tom from Against Me! You know, when I'm screaming meaningless platitudes about my supposed anarchist beliefs and faith in the underground punk scene, my throat gets parched. That's why I drink ORANGE DRINK!"

[Mute Print]

I really don't care. I just enjoy listening to their music. That's all that really matters to me. I'll still buy their CDs and go to their shows.

I actually don't even know what record labels most of the bands I listen to are on. The music is more important to me than everything else.

[Brain Toad]

But they also played really good music that was different and entertaining and catchy, hence why they were so easily accepted by us and eventually the major label. The lyrics were icing on the cake that was their great music, and if they continue to make that music I'll continue to listen (but will probably not buy CDs because RIAA stuff is expensive).

[sketchyjoe]

The lyrics and persona were an integral part of their music. They were more than just some meaningless to fit the tune. Or at least, they were to some people, including me.I really don't care. I just enjoy listening to their music. That's all that really matters to me. I'll still buy their CDs and go to their shows.

I actually don't even know what record labels most of the bands I listen to are on. The music is more important to me than everything else.
The music which extolls the joys of an underground punk scene?

[thepo]

I wish I wasn't, but I'm pretty bummed about this. But I can't just stop loving their music. Reinventing Axl Rose still holds meaning to me, my favorite part of the song was always, "Let's make everybody sing that they are the beginning and ending of everything, and we are stronger than everything they taught us that we should fear," not the basement part. Most of their lyrics from songs aren't even about that.

They are an amazing band, and if they hadn't been going in this direction by signing to Fat first, I would have never heard of them, and they seriously changed my life and inspired me to make music and be more open to different genres. And with SFAFC, they still do. I can tell that they put effort into all they do, that they are passionate about it, and that this is what they love doing. I much rather have a band like that, then one who just has DIY ethics.

[sketchyjoe]

I just wrote this, I hope some of you will agree with it:


You used to write songs that meant something to me
Made me believe in punk again, gave me some hope
But that all went out the window when you repressed the Crime EP
You've moved away from the you of old and I'll have to cope

Now you're concerned with the grander scheme
You've forgotten what you said, got up and moved on
Away from the idea of a perfect underground scene
Where everybody's happy and everyone belongs

Now your fans will grow in number with every single tour
They'll spend less time on your music and more time on their hair
Will they comprehend what you used to stand for?
Oh Tom Gabel do you even ****ing care?

Do you think about your ex-ideals, may I enquire?
Now you've abandoned all your sweet anarchist rants
You blown it all to hell, you've gone and signed with Sire
Now you're labelmates with Spongebob Squarepants

Now everything you say is suspect, every single word
You can no longer make me believe, no longer make me think
All that leaves your lips is now only a turd
Falling from your mouth, straight into my drink

Just another well-oiled cog in the elite system
Any integrity you had is gone, your new message is hollow
Shaking hands with business mean when you used to resist them
Just another strained chorus, another "WHOA-OH-OH"

Singing piles of money make you rich and Baby, I'm a Capitalist
But though you've abandoned it your old message is not dead
You introduced to idea into thought-dreams and there it still exists
The place where everyone's belongs will live on in your fan's heads


Because I'll still get your records and when you play I'll still go see
But I'll remember when you gave me reason to believe
As you ride off into the horizon of money and MTV
And mark you down as one more fallen at the altar of greed

One more band that I loved, that has turned against me

[DaveToopes]

That was pretty good, Joe. I laughed a little with you said turd.

[Anarcho Poser]

etc.
:chug:

I think I've died a little inside tonight.

[DaveToopes]

:chug:

I think I've died a little inside tonight.

As have I.

[Nerdcore753]

Me likes, Joe.

[pedro durruti]

I'm going to listen to RAR as a memorial

[Anarcho Poser]

I'm going to listen to RAR as a memorial
I almost feel dirty listening to it.

[sketchyjoe]

I'm listening to it now. It's depressing.

[pedro durruti]

We should change this thread title to 'We Laugh at Against Me! (and Break All Their CD's)

[DaveToopes]

I wonder what I would do if I talked to Tom Gabel right now.

[Anarcho Poser]

We should change this thread title to 'We Laugh at Against Me! (and Break All Their CD's)
I second that.

I wonder what I would do if I talked to Tom Gabel right now.
I might just cry or something. I don't even know.

[sketchyjoe]

I wonder what I would do if I talked to Tom Gabel right now.
I would sing him my song.

[lynch_me]

So ridiculous.

[Anarcho Poser]

So I was reading their bio on the fat wreck site.

In a world that cares more about how things look and treats the contents of your mind as something to trick or ignore, it’s important to understand that Against Me! stands for something. It’s also important to understand that Against Me! just aren’t toeing anyone else�s line. We’re talking something universal and with more staying power, like music that’s rich and full of life: scars, spontaneous clapping, and mystery. Music that supercedes genre.

Against Me! approaches being a band with an honesty and directness that is rarely translated into popular music. It boils down to this: they’re just fully concerned with making the best music they can while staying true to who they are. Searching for a Former Clarity proves it.

[Lazybassplr56]

It could all be a sick joke? Right?.............:(

[Brain Toad]

It could all be a sick joke? Right?.............:(

It actually could. The only place it was posted was their website with the heading "Submitted for your message board disapporval" an obvious jab to their former message board and the ending "for real" just makes it seem even more of a joke. Sire has nothing on their site, nor does WB Records or Fat Wreck, all of which surely would be quick to post about it.

[Rise Me Up]

I just wrote this, I hope some of you will agree with it:


You used to write songs that meant something to me
Made me believe in punk again, gave me some hope
But that all went out the window when you repressed the Crime EP
You've moved away from the you of old and I'll have to cope

Now you're concerned with the grander scheme
You've forgotten what you said, got up and moved on
Away from the idea of a perfect underground scene
Where everybody's happy and everyone belongs

Now your fans will grow in number with every single tour
They'll spend less time on your music and more time on their hair
Will they comprehend what you used to stand for?
Oh Tom Gabel do you even ****ing care?

Do you think about your ex-ideals, may I enquire?
Now you've abandoned all your sweet anarchist rants
You blown it all to hell, you've gone and signed with Sire
Now you're labelmates with Spongebob Squarepants

Now everything you say is suspect, every single word
You can no longer make me believe, no longer make me think
All that leaves your lips is now only a turd
Falling from your mouth, straight into my drink

Just another well-oiled cog in the elite system
Any integrity you had is gone, your new message is hollow
Shaking hands with business mean when you used to resist them
Just another strained chorus, another "WHOA-OH-OH"

Singing piles of money make you rich and Baby, I'm a Capitalist
But though you've abandoned it your old message is not dead
You introduced to idea into thought-dreams and there it still exists
The place where everyone's belongs will live on in your fan's heads


Because I'll still get your records and when you play I'll still go see
But I'll remember when you gave me reason to believe
As you ride off into the horizon of money and MTV
And mark you down as one more fallen at the altar of greed

One more band that I loved, that has turned against me


I'm going to post this on another forum, if that's cool with you, and I'll give you full credit. I'll even link to your myspace page.

[Anarcho Poser]

It actually could. The only place it was posted was their website with the heading "Submitted for your message board disapporval" an obvious jab to their former message board and the ending "for real" just makes it seem even more of a joke. Sire has nothing on their site, nor does WB Records or Fat Wreck, all of which surely would be quick to post about it.
Could be. I dunno though, record label sites sometimes take a while to post things like that.

I dunno, I feel kinda guilty for being this upset about it, but... man, it feels like my girlfriend cheated on me or something. laff.

[sketchyjoe]

I'm going to post this on another forum, if that's cool with you, and I'll give you full credit. I'll even link to your myspace page.
That's cool. Link to my last.fm page though.

[sketchyjoe]

It is on http://punknews.org.

[Anarcho Poser]

Maybe they're reading this and laughing at us. Gasp. Those jerks.

[Rise Me Up]

That's cool. Link to my last.fm page though.

Okay, can I have the link to it?

[Brain Toad]

It is on http://punknews.org.

Only as comments, I haven't seen an actual news story, and that news is submitted by their users, so its basically a forum.

EDIT: article wasnt in google results.

[sketchyjoe]

And the news post is followed by the exclamation "For Real!" It does seem slightly suspicious.
Okay, can I have the link to it?
http://www.last.fm/user/sketchyjoe

What forum are you posting it on?

[Rise Me Up]

http://www.last.fm/user/sketchyjoe

What forum are you posting it on?


This one. (http://www.worldinferno.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=1&t=5586&st=&&#entry95935) I'm user I Stole Everything!

[DaveToopes]

If this is a joke, Against Me! are dicks!

[Brain Toad]

If this is a joke, Against Me! are dicks!

Dicks with a great sense of humour.

[Kepone-Factory]

so now that we've got to the bottom of this we can move on..

let see what else is in the news today..

"canada stalls on trade pact"

[obese_breasts]

I hold this in a similar state of apathy as Nick. I see the hypocracy with their previous beliefs but this isn't going to keep me from listening to some great music.

[TakeWarning]

This is bad news.

I just listened to Jamaican Me Crazy. It sounded kinda...hollow.

[CameoRole]

I don't get how you can listen to just the music and ignore the words. Sure, music is often more important than trite teenage poetry, but Against Me! tried to deliver a message with songs that weren't about the average girlfriend breaking up. Pints of Guiness is a GREAT take on what would be a hackneyed subject. But tell me, sans those subject songs, could you listen to Un-Thought of Heroes or Reinventing or Those Anarcho Punks without questioning them for hypocrisy? How could they sing so passionately about the underground and then spit on it multiple times? I mean, FINE, they didn't like people at PIX making fun of the ham boards, but was it necessary to threaten legal action? These were the people they used to support and when they ****ed them over, they expected them to bend over and take it, but alas, Tom underestimated the vehemence of his peers and the fever that their music inspires. I'll still listen and enjoy because yes, they make good music and the lyrics are still great and they're probably one of few bands whom I sing along with, but will it feel hollow sometimes? Of course. Am I gonna feel sick going to the Warped Tour to see them for thirty minutes among NOFX and Anti-Flag fans? Duh. At least they play mostly 'old' stuff, but I got a feeling that'll change soon.

[Rise Me Up]

I don't get how you can listen to just the music and ignore the words. Sure, music is often more important than trite teenage poetry, but Against Me! tried to deliver a message with songs that weren't about the average girlfriend breaking up. Pints of Guiness is a GREAT take on what would be a hackneyed subject. But tell me, sans those subject songs, could you listen to Un-Thought of Heroes or Reinventing or Those Anarcho Punks without questioning them for hypocrisy? How could they sing so passionately about the underground and then spit on it multiple times? I mean, FINE, they didn't like people at PIX making fun of the ham boards, but was it necessary to threaten legal action? These were the people they used to support and when they ****ed them over, they expected them to bend over and take it, but alas, Tom underestimated the vehemence of his peers and the fever that their music inspires. I'll still listen and enjoy because yes, they make good music and the lyrics are still great and they're probably one of few bands whom I sing along with, but will it feel hollow sometimes? Of course. Am I gonna feel sick going to the Warped Tour to see them for thirty minutes among NOFX and Anti-Flag fans? Duh. At least they play mostly 'old' stuff, but I got a feeling that'll change soon.


I <3 NOFX. NOFX > AM!

Anti-Flag, I'm not a fan of.

[CameoRole]

I <3 NOFX. NOFX > AM!

Anti-Flag, I'm not a fan of.

To each his own. Some guys like men and if you like NOFX, I'd assume you're part of that subcategory.

[Rise Me Up]

To each his own. Some guys like men and if you like NOFX, I'd assume you're part of that subcategory.

Wow. How intelligent. Go suck off Andy Warhol.

[Sid]

Haha, NOW it's cool to dislike AM!

I stopped liking AM! the moment the music started sucking. Politics doesn't bother me. How many other punk bands have sold punk to the kids before? It's our own fault if we believe them.

Can't be upset at anyone but yourself if you put that much trust in a band's lyrics.

[Rise Me Up]

Haha, NOW it's cool to dislike AM!

I stopped liking AM! the moment the music started sucking. Politics doesn't bother me. How many other punk bands have sold punk to the kids before? It's our own fault if we believe them.

Can't be upset at anyone but yourself if you put that much trust in a band's lyrics.

I just started really getting into them. And then they got ghey. :(

[Brain Toad]

Haha, NOW it's cool to dislike AM!

I stopped liking AM! the moment the music started sucking. Politics doesn't bother me. How many other punk bands have sold punk to the kids before? It's our own fault if we believe them.

Can't be upset at anyone but yourself if you put that much trust in a band's lyrics.

Truth

[Sid]

Yeah. I know the new album has grown on you nick, but it just never did for me.

Don't Lose Touch, anyone?

[Brain Toad]

I like their new stuff, and I'll probably like the new album on Sire (if it exists) if it doesn't suck, but that's just me.

Don't Lose Touch was catchy in a bad way, but I still enjoy listening to it.

[lynch_me]

Haha, NOW it's cool to dislike AM!

I stopped liking AM! the moment the music started sucking. Politics doesn't bother me. How many other punk bands have sold punk to the kids before? It's our own fault if we believe them.

Can't be upset at anyone but yourself if you put that much trust in a band's lyrics.
Not necassarily Sidney.

PS: Maybe there's something wrong with the audience?

[TakeWarning]

I just sent my friend Joe's song and told him it was by me.

[lynch_me]

I think we should have an official Propagandhi Thread over an against me! one. Who's with me? Anyone? anyone at all? Nick? hello? anyone?

[TakeWarning]

Haven't we already got an official Propagandhi thread?

[CameoRole]

Wow. How intelligent. Go suck off Andy Warhol.


How did you know that I would fellate Warhol?

[thepo]

I don't get how you can listen to just the music and ignore the words. Sure, music is often more important than trite teenage poetry, but Against Me! tried to deliver a message with songs that weren't about the average girlfriend breaking up. Pints of Guiness is a GREAT take on what would be a hackneyed subject. But tell me, sans those subject songs, could you listen to Un-Thought of Heroes or Reinventing or Those Anarcho Punks without questioning them for hypocrisy? How could they sing so passionately about the underground and then spit on it multiple times? I mean, FINE, they didn't like people at PIX making fun of the ham boards, but was it necessary to threaten legal action? These were the people they used to support and when they ****ed them over, they expected them to bend over and take it, but alas, Tom underestimated the vehemence of his peers and the fever that their music inspires. I'll still listen and enjoy because yes, they make good music and the lyrics are still great and they're probably one of few bands whom I sing along with, but will it feel hollow sometimes? Of course. Am I gonna feel sick going to the Warped Tour to see them for thirty minutes among NOFX and Anti-Flag fans? Duh. At least they play mostly 'old' stuff, but I got a feeling that'll change soon.

First off, how the hell is Un-thought of heroes about the underground?

I'm pretty sure they didn't threaten legal action. Why is it so hard to understand that Tom doesn't want to be involved or support a group of people who the majority of which hate him and are jerks about everything he does?

[Sid]

No, they never threatened legal action. They didn't have to because PIX doesn't own music. They don't do contracts. Chris doesn't even own his own songs.

They're not looking to make money. The reason that they wanted to keep Crime is because when other artists aren't doing so well, the better selling artists can help keep the cycle going. It allows for more DIY bands to get their music heard and allows Chris to take the financial risk.

I understand wanting to make money. But the Crime EP will probably only give AM! a couple more bucks. Instead of leaving it on PIX to help the DIY scene, he acts like a rockstar.

[sketchyjoe]

I thought all the artists owned their own songs.

[Sid]

I'm sure the other bands might, but Chris doesn't own his songs. But even though it's his label, he doesn't have any rights over other people's music with contracts and the like. Just trust and verbal agreements.

[CameoRole]

No, they never threatened legal action. They didn't have to because PIX doesn't own music. They don't do contracts. Chris doesn't even own his own songs.


He/FatWreck did threaten legal action if the ham boards weren't removed. Forum mods there have confirmed it numerous times. They didn't, however (According to Chris), threaten legal action for Crime.

[Sid]

He/FatWreck did threaten legal action if the ham boards weren't removed. Forum mods there have confirmed it numerous times. They didn't, however (According to Chris), threaten legal action for Crime.

Oh, I don't know anything about that. That's so stupid. The ham boards were hilarious.

That's f'ucked up. Tom is a piece of s'hit.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I saw an article on them in Kerrang! today, which is like the worst music magazine ever.

[Sid]

Tom is an anarchist! He's going to smash you through the courts of law and the american judicial system! WATCH OUT KIDS!

[Angry Balled Fists!]

wtf, i just kinda read the last few pages, but can someone tell me what's gone on ?

[Lazybassplr56]

Against Me! signed to Sire records.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

So ?

I've never heard of Sire before but i'm guessing they're a major label and people are crying about it.

[Lazybassplr56]

You are correct.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Oh well, my opinion on them hasn't changed much, they're still my favourite band and i hope there new record owns.

lmao, i've got a thing for loving "sell out bands", Rancid, AM! :lol:

[Liebensaft]

So ?

I've never heard of Sire before but i'm guessing they're a major label and people are crying about it.
I can't say I'm familiar with Sire either, but really, who the **** cares? It's just the record label. They still make awesome music.

[Lazybassplr56]

http://www.sirerecords.com/

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Yeah, i've just checked it out.

Hmm, SFAFC was great, but not as great as the previous two, i can't see them making music like RAR anymore :(

It depends on whether the label has an input into their music.

Also, what was the stuff about Crime ?

[Liebensaft]

Hm. The English Beat were on that label.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

/listening to Reinventing Axl Rose

:)

[DaveToopes]

Oh well, my opinion on them hasn't changed much, they're still my favourite band and i hope there new record owns.

lmao, i've got a thing for loving "sell out bands", Rancid, AM! :lol:

SELLOUT!

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I know... :(

[DaveToopes]

I know... :(

Oh you, I was only kidding!

[Liebensaft]

SELLOUT!
With me tonight. Sellout! With me, oh yeah.

[DaveToopes]

With me tonight. Sellout! With me, oh yeah.

Excuse me, is this The Official Reel Big Fish Thread is Still Honest? I didn't think so.









<3 JK

[Liebensaft]

Excuse me, is this The Official Reel Big Fish Thread is Still Honest? I didn't think so.
Is there a RBF thread? That would be pretty cool.

[DaveToopes]

Is there a RBF thread? That would be pretty cool.

I don't think so, I'm sure there have been, but none of them were official. RBF aren't interesting enough to have a thread that lasted.

[Liebensaft]

Yeah I guess not. I like them though.

[DaveToopes]

Yeah I guess not. I like them though.

I think they're pretty mediocre, especially the new album. They don't have drama like that of Against Me!

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I'm still pshyced for seeing them in March.

I hope thye prove us all wrong and release THE GREATEST RECORD EVER !!!!

btw i love how on the site it says "submitted for your message board dissaproval"

:lol:

[DaveToopes]

I'm still pshyced for seeing them in March.

I hope thye prove us all wrong and release THE GREATEST RECORD EVER !!!!

btw i love how on the site it says "submitted for your message board dissaproval"

:lol:

I missed them when they came around :upset:

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Dammit, they are touring the UK next March.

I've only seen one big show so far, Alk3 and it was average, if anyone crowd surfed, they got kicked out by security and i'm seeing them at the same palce, so that will probs happen again :(

[DaveToopes]

Dammit, they are touring the UK next March.

I've only seen one big show so far, Alk3 and it was average, if anyone crowd surfed, they got kicked out by security and i'm seeing them at the same palce, so that will probs happen again :(

Wow, that blows.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I know, i've seen all these shows where peopel are on satge and stuff and it won't be the same.

It depends if the band have a say, i think they might ?

[Flagjacket]

I don't thinka band usually has a say in the venue security.

[DaveToopes]

I doubt anything will change for that show.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Bleh, Alk3 are just pussies.

Yay for avatar

[Flagjacket]

Yay Tom. You know, I thnk they might be screwing around. Sire and Fat haven't said anything about it.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

True, it would be great if they were ****ing about.

[sketchyjoe]

Dammit, they are touring the UK next March.

I've only seen one big show so far, Alk3 and it was average, if anyone crowd surfed, they got kicked out by security and i'm seeing them at the same palce, so that will probs happen again :(
When I saw the Horrorpops at the Mean Fiddler the security just dragged anyone who got on stage off the side.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

No-one could get anywhere near the stage at Notingham.

It was silly.

[Brain Toad]

Yay Tom. You know, I thnk they might be screwing around. Sire and Fat haven't said anything about it.

I said that back a few pages. And the way AM!s news is presented, it reeks of bad joke on elitist fans.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Wow, it says on the AM! shows page that hte UK shows are £8.50 !

EVERY AM! show n the Uk is 14 +, int he mean fiddler it's 14-16 year olds must be accompanied by someone 18+.

[RCVA]

Bleh, Alk3 are just pussies.
:smash:

[tappenzee]

For Christs sake, people have to stop with this yelling "sellout" every time a band makes a move to help themselves.

You CAN still hold anarchist ideals and make money. They can still support picket lines, they can still contribute time/money/energy toward progressive organizations, they can still do their best to try to educate the masses about their beliefs on capitalism, economics, history, etc...

In the end, a band signed to a major who goes out and continues to work toward some solution is still infinitely more punk than a band that screams "**** THE MAJORS!" then goes home and sits on their asses playing Xbox and getting drunk.

Personally, I don't see Against Me! crossing any picket lines any time soon.

[England5Germany1]

For Christs sake, people have to stop with this yelling "sellout" every time a band makes a move to help themselves.

You CAN still hold anarchist ideals and make money. They can still support picket lines, they can still contribute time/money/energy toward progressive organizations, they can still do their best to try to educate the masses about their beliefs on capitalism, economics, history, etc...

In the end, a band signed to a major who goes out and continues to work toward some solution is still infinitely more punk than a band that screams "**** THE MAJORS!" then goes home and sits on their asses playing Xbox and getting drunk.

Personally, I don't see Against Me! crossing any picket lines any time soon.

Anarchism is in opposition to both capitalism and corruption, major labels are both. They can still be liberal and progressive, but anarchist? I'm not saying they cant be productive, I'm saying they can't be anarchists. Then again being on Fat isnt much different in that regard.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

I just really don't understand why they moved to a bigger label. They had plenty of publicity it seemed. Plenty of output. I just think it's kind of lame.

Doing some research on Sire they actually housed some pretty good bands:
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Distillers
Flaming Lips

[sketchyjoe]

There's a problem with that list:Doing some research on Sire they actually housed some pretty good bands:
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Distillers
Flaming Lips
See?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

There's a problem with that list:
See?I like them. I like Brody Dalles voice.

[tappenzee]

Anarchism is in opposition to both capitalism and corruption, major labels are both. They can still be liberal and progressive, but anarchist? I'm not saying they cant be productive, I'm saying they can't be anarchists. Then again being on Fat isnt much different in that regard.

Yes, they can still call themselves anarchists.

You think independent labels are just doing it for the love of the music? ALL record labels are capitalist. If the record label didn't make money, it would be out of business. Until we have a society based on equal contribution, everyone is going to have to take part in capitalism in some way, shape, or form. The key difference is whether or not you make an effort in your time to fight for that change, in any way possible (including holding firm in your beliefs and refusing to water down your message--and since this news JUST happened, we have no right to judge whether or not they've done that)

When they were on an indy, they still had a boss, and they were still making that boss money. If they really want to survive on their art, they HAVE to make someone else money. Same way a factory worker has to make someone else money. Same way (insert revolutionary here) had to make someone else money at some point.

The only time I would stop calling these guys anarchists is if they blatantly did something to hurt the labor movement, or speak out against the labor movement. They haven't done that. They're still anarchists as far as I can tell.

Lets call a spade a spade here: most people in this thread are calling AM sellouts because now they're not their little secret anymore, and kids who shop at Hot Topic are gonna start listening to them.

[sketchyjoe]

That's part of it and what's wrong with that?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Yes, they can still call themselves anarchists.

You think independent labels are just doing it for the love of the music? ALL record labels are capitalist. If the record label didn't make money, it would be out of business. Until we have a society based on equal contribution, everyone is going to have to take part in capitalism in some way, shape, or form. The key difference is whether or not you make an effort in your time to fight for that change, in any way possible (including holding firm in your beliefs and refusing to water down your message--and since this news JUST happened, we have no right to judge whether or not they've done that)

When they were on an indy, they still had a boss, and they were still making that boss money. If they really want to survive on their art, they HAVE to make someone else money. Same way a factory worker has to make someone else money. Same way (insert revolutionary here) had to make someone else money at some point.

The only time I would stop calling these guys anarchists is if they blatantly did something to hurt the labor movement, or speak out against the labor movement. They haven't done that. They're still anarchists as far as I can tell.

Lets call a spade a spade here: most people in this thread are calling AM sellouts because now they're not their little secret anymore, and kids who shop at Hot Topic are gonna start listening to them.
I do get dissapointed when I see things I like at hot-topic because that means kids I don't like are going to start liking the same things as me.

:(

[CameoRole]

I just really don't understand why they moved to a bigger label. They had plenty of publicity it seemed. Plenty of output. I just think it's kind of lame.

Doing some research on Sire they actually housed some pretty good bands:
Richard Hell and the Voidoids
Distillers
Flaming Lips

Times were different when Hell was around. They had to go to major labels to get out in the open, but they still were close with Ork Records (Was it Oak or Ork?). Sire back then wasn't even a major anyway, it was just a big indie label. They got bought out by Warner later on I think. It's like Verve or Elektra. They started off with underground bands as a major indie who got bought out.

[CameoRole]

True, it would be great if they were ****ing about.

Why do you care?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Times were different when Hell was around. They had to go to major labels to get out in the open, but they still were close with Ork Records (Was it Oak or Ork?). Sire back then wasn't even a major anyway, it was just a big indie label. They got bought out by Warner later on I think. It's like Verve or Elektra. They started off with underground bands as a major indie who got bought out.I didn't know Sire owned them.



Also, if you've seen the AM! dvd thing it points out that they really don't want to leave Fat, and for that to change from the dvd to now would be strange.

[CameoRole]

Sire owned what?

[LeftoverVictim719]

I saw em back in September. They put on a really good sho. I'm glad I saw them now, because I really don't like the direction they're heading, both with their music and everything else. I thought the fact that they were on that Myspace records thing was pretty lame and pointless...

Though I must admit, even though I'm a bigger fan of their older stuff, they're shows haven't lost a step, because they still put on one hell of show when I saw em

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Oops, sorry, that should've said Warner. I didn't know Warner owned Sire.

[Brain Toad]

I do get dissapointed when I see things I like at hot-topic because that means kids I don't like are going to start liking the same things as me.

:(

So you're the only one that's allowed to enjoy certain types of music?

I see DK shirts all the time at Hot Topic, doesn't mean I'll stop liking them or be upset at them because other people like them besides me.

[redstainedeyes]

Wasn't the Ramones S/T on Sire?

2=55"]http://nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=55[/URL]
Nothing Nice To Say quote about the Hot Topic issue.

[Lazybassplr56]

I'm pretty sure all Ramones releases were on Sire.

[Forest_Fire]

what happened to the AM! messageboard?

[England5Germany1]

Yes, they can still call themselves anarchists.

You think independent labels are just doing it for the love of the music? ALL record labels are capitalist. If the record label didn't make money, it would be out of business. Until we have a society based on equal contribution, everyone is going to have to take part in capitalism in some way, shape, or form. The key difference is whether or not you make an effort in your time to fight for that change, in any way possible (including holding firm in your beliefs and refusing to water down your message--and since this news JUST happened, we have no right to judge whether or not they've done that)

When they were on an indy, they still had a boss, and they were still making that boss money. If they really want to survive on their art, they HAVE to make someone else money. Same way a factory worker has to make someone else money. Same way (insert revolutionary here) had to make someone else money at some point.

The only time I would stop calling these guys anarchists is if they blatantly did something to hurt the labor movement, or speak out against the labor movement. They haven't done that. They're still anarchists as far as I can tell.

Lets call a spade a spade here: most people in this thread are calling AM sellouts because now they're not their little secret anymore, and kids who shop at Hot Topic are gonna start listening to them.

hmmm...as far as I can tell (and this is an unfair observation for me to make), Against Me wasn't struggling to "survive on their art", they are consistently playing sold out shows, have made several successful records, and are the best selling band on interpunk.com (for whatever thats worth). Now I understand that everyone has to participate in capitalism (I myself have a job...well sort of), but what the major labels represent is not just survival capitalism, they are as capitalistic as it gets. I just can't see them playing a show in front of 75 000 Hot Hot Heat fans (whom they share a label with) and have their message still intact and honest. Of course, I could be completely wrong, they may have their message intact and expose thousands of people to anarchistic ideals and values who other wise would not. Personally, I don't see how their music can still be full of genuine heartfelt passion and that is what made them so damn good.

[asbestosuit]

Why even make the "We're Never Going Home" DVD if they were gonna lie and bullshixt the whole time about their ethics on signing live's away.
Whatever if I want a band with the same old-Against-Me!-feel, I'll listen and go see Defiance, Ohio.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

So you're the only one that's allowed to enjoy certain types of music?

I see DK shirts all the time at Hot Topic, doesn't mean I'll stop liking them or be upset at them because other people like them besides me.No anyone can listen to them but you know, when you don't like someone and they like something you like, then you're forced to admit you like at least one thing about them and that just kinda defeats not liking them.

[Flagjacket]

No anyone can listen to them but you know, when you don't like someone and they like something you like, then you're forced to admit you like at least one thing about them and that just kinda defeats not liking them.
Haha, I just imagined some guy with a mohawk (you) breaking down while talking to a scenester dude wearing a AM! babydoll shirt.

[Brain Toad]

I don't really care if someone I don't like likes something I do, because maybe that'll redeem their image for me and I'll make a new friends and what I disliked about them was really just stupid and miniscule.

[Sid]

You CAN still hold anarchist ideals and make money. They can still support picket lines, they can still contribute time/money/energy toward progressive organizations, they can still do their best to try to educate the masses about their beliefs on capitalism, economics, history, etc...

Hell yes! Anarchists that threaten DIY labels with the court system. That's so anarchy it hurts. Take down the forum making fun of us! Free expression is NOT anarchy!

I haven't ever called them sellouts nor does the sire thing bother me in the slightest bit. In fact, legal action threats and taking Crime off PIX is the only thing that bothers me about this band.

EDIT: By the way, the good people at PIX do progressive things. How would AM! suing them help with it?

[trumpeter]

Very good point Sid

[Sid]

PIX does Food Not Bombs, Pages to Prisoners, ect.

AM! do music for MTV.

I think AM! are really working towards something.

[TakeWarning]

I'm not annoyed, I'm just annoyed at the hypocrisy of this whole "moving to Sire records" scandal. If they want to make money, that's fine, but going completely against your beliefs is what I don't like.

[coheneran]

I don't know what Hot Topic is, but I assume it's a posershop. Well, what is everyone doing there if they hate it so much?

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, unless they are advertising McDonalds' or skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.

[lynch_me]

I don't know what Hot Topic is, but I assume it's a posershop. Well, what is everyone doing there if they hate it so much?

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, unless they are advertising McDonalds' or skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.
OH yeah, Against me! are sponsored by the skate shoe company 'Enties.'

[sketchyjoe]

At least we've still got Mischief Brew for sincere, rocking anarchist anthems.

[lynch_me]

At least we've still got Mischief Brew for sincere, rocking anarchist anthems.
or the sex pistols:smoke:

[TakeWarning]

Don't forget Anti-Flag!

Or Aus Rotten.

[coheneran]

OH yeah, Against me! are sponsored by the skate shoe company 'Enties.'

They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"

[asdf]

I don't care if people I hate listen to them. Infact, I can't be mad, because someone I absolutely dispise that loves them has known them longer than me. Without him and some friends of mine, I may have never heard against me!

I can't bring myself to care about what record label they're on. I had a great time at the concert over a week ago.

[TakeWarning]

They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"

Are you being sarcastic about Anti-Flag? Because I wasn't.

[coheneran]

Are you being sarcastic about Anti-Flag? Because I wasn't.

Oh Christ no. I love 'em. I saw them at Leeds, they were awesome.

"Stick your middle finger in the air! **** YOU! SHOUT IT! **** capitalism! **** police brutality! **** war! **** government! **** YOUUUU!"

Heh, they were kickass.

[Scabies]

You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.

[TakeWarning]

You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[coheneran]

You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.

ANTI-FLAG!??!
They're on A-F Records. They started that record label.

[ROT]

govt is a misleading term
just the idea of using money at all is selling out
but inevitable for survival so inavoidable essentially
good for them
theyll get more exposure and maybe one person will stop using money
haha
:(

[TakeWarning]

No, they're on RCA with Avril Lavigne.

http://rcarecords.com/artists.html See for yourself.

[coheneran]

So they're on two record labels?!

http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php

[lynch_me]

They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"
It's not sarcasm. They get free enties.

[sketchyjoe]

So they're on two record labels?!

http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php
No they're just on RCA. Only past releases are on AF.

[lynch_me]

So they're on two record labels?!

http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php
All old material belongs to AF records. All new material belongs to The Major.

[asdf]

pwn'd

[TakeWarning]

So they're on two record labels?!

http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php

You're missing the point, which was that it's hypocritical to say "**** WAR! **** THE GOVERNMENT" when they're on RCA, a major label, a huge corporation that profits from war due to its links with the goverment.

[Flagjacket]

I thought it was because they just spent the better part of ten years talking about the evils of corporations and then were on a corporation and used the Chumbawumba excuse. Unless Justin Sane gives every cent he earns to Food Not Bombs or something then it just gives me more reason to hate Anti Flag.

[coheneran]

Those fuc'king sell-out little bitches! What the fu'ck happened to integrity? When that album comes out, it's due for a stickering. HMV workers will be peeling stickers off album covers like never before. Those fu'cking cunts:

“To those of you who consider yourself a part of our community, we understand that our decision may cause you concern or piss you off,” the band said in a statement. “We deeply respect you and do not want to discount your concerns. We want you to know that we are confident in our choice and completely committed to the principles that we have backed over the last ten-plus years.”

"A part of our community"?! Now who's the fuc'king elitist punk?

http://www.aversion.com/news/news_article.cfm?news_id=4212

I declare a boycott on any new Anti-Flag releases. I suck at making them, but somebody should make an Anti-Anti-Flag stencil.

[Flagjacket]

This reminds me of how Rage was on a major for pretty much every release they did. Fight all the powers but Sony.

[coheneran]

Can we have a list somewhere of every punk band that sold out?

[asdf]

I don't listen to Anti-Flag because I don't really like their music.

[sketchyjoe]

I hate the term sellout.

[Flagjacket]

I don't listen to Anti-Flag because I don't really like their music.
Same, except all the kids who listen to anything remotely close to punk in my school think that they're going to be the next Nirvana craze and cause some sort of social revolution. Although if we got the mall shopping bunch into anarchy, then we'd have some real leverage going.

[asdf]

Same, except all the kids who listen to anything remotely close to punk in my school think that they're going to be the next Nirvana craze and cause some sort of social revolution. Although if we got the mall shopping bunch into anarchy, then we'd have some real leverage going.
I don't know a single person at my school who likes anti-flag, although I went to a concert of theirs freshman year with a few friends. They were there to see against me! who were playing with them though.

[Flagjacket]

MY metalhead friend likes them, a lot of scenesters (they think it gives them punk rock cred?), and this one chick who's into 80's hardcore. And this hippy chick likes them but she also thought that the Misfits were from England and thought they were serious about wanting to kill people so her opinion doesn't count.

[coheneran]

MY metalhead friend likes them, a lot of scenesters (they think it gives them punk rock cred?), and this one chick who's into 80's hardcore. And this hippy chick likes them but she also thought that the Misfits were from England and thought they were serious about wanting to kill people so her opinion doesn't count.

Hehehehe. Guess what kind of 'philia my ex though the Nekromantix were into?

[Flagjacket]

Oh, toughie, how about Ethanphilia?

[asdf]

MY metalhead friend likes them, a lot of scenesters (they think it gives them punk rock cred?), and this one chick who's into 80's hardcore. And this hippy chick likes them but she also thought that the Misfits were from England and thought they were serious about wanting to kill people so her opinion doesn't count.
:lol: wow, I'm glad I don't know people like that.

[coheneran]

Methinks we are spamming up this thread a wee bit.

[AIRIC]

RAR sounds hollow for real. As much as I don't want to admit it, they are dead to me. I agree with some people "who cares if they still make great music?". They won't. SFAFC was bad. Admit it. If not bad it wasn't Against Me!. SFAFC wasn't the band I loved, neither is the Against Me! on Sire records, or the Agaisnt Me! that took their record off of PIX. My once favorite band is officially dead to me.

[lynch_me]

.......

Everyone calm down.

[coheneran]

RAR sounds hollow for real. As much as I don't want to admit it, they are dead to me. I agree with some people "who cares if they still make great music?". They won't. SFAFC was bad. Admit it. If not bad it wasn't Against Me!. SFAFC wasn't the band I loved, neither is the Against Me! on Sire records, or the Agaisnt Me! that took their record off of PIX. My once favorite band is officially dead to me.

Who is RAR and SFAFC?

[AIRIC]

Reinventing Axl Rose and Searching For a Former Clarity.

And Matt it's hard to calm down when you're dead inside.

EDIT: DEAD

[coheneran]

Reinventing Axl Rose and Searching For a Former Clarity.

And Matt it's hard to calm down when you're dead inside.

EDIT: DEAD

Awww. Yes, SFAFR wasn't as good as all my friends made AM! to be. Neither was We Were Never Going Home. Kind of disappointed me.

[Flagjacket]

.... I liked SFAFC. You guys are just plain mean. :upset:

[AIRIC]

It wasn't Against Me!.

They better be ****ing around or something.

[coheneran]

It wasn't Against Me!.

They better be ****ing around or something.

REALLY? Huh. Damn that eMule and the mislabelling users who use it! So SFAFC is a band, not an AM! album?

[AIRIC]

Haha, you know what I mean.

[coheneran]

Haha, you know what I mean.

No, I am rather confused.

[AIRIC]

SFAFC was an Against Me! record, but it wasn't the Against Me! that I knew and loved. It was bad, and that doesn't happen with Against Me!

[asdf]

I wouldn't say it was bad. It was just "meh"

[Flagjacket]

I liked it a lot, it just didn't sound like they used to.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Go cry your eyes out Eric !

People are going crazy !!!!!!!!!!

[Flagjacket]

The AM! story topped Rancid on punknews.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

What about Rancid ?

I still love AM!, SFAFC was an amazing record imo, i'm listening to it now, it's great.

[thepo]

For seriously, nobody freaked out when Disco sounded completely different from RAR. What's the deal with THAT?

[Flagjacket]

:lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Me%21#Full_Length_Albums

[Iron Bug]

:lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Me%21#Full_Length_Albums
Haha, nice.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

lmao, that's pretty funny.

[lynch_me]

For seriously, nobody freaked out when Disco sounded completely different from RAR. What's the deal with THAT?
It doesn't sound different to me, except the last song.

[Flagjacket]

Tonight We're Gonna Give It 35% sounded totally different then RAR. But I still love that song. And song for song, Disco is easily the besy thing they've put out.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I don't have Disco :(

I'm somewhat gutted about what's happened, but if they do start sucking, i'll always have their old records to listen to.

[AIRIC]

Because Disco was amazing.

[Iron Bug]

As long as they dont start playing stadiums and s'hit, I'm totally cool with this. Plus Sire has held some really good bands.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

They have started playing stadiums:

http://www.againstme.net/entropybanner/random11.jpg

Keep clicking, you'll see one wiht them playing a stadium.

[Flagjacket]

They opened for Green Day at Giants Stadium.

[Iron Bug]

They have started playing stadiums:

http://www.againstme.net/entropybanner/random11.jpg

Keep clicking, you'll see one wiht them playing a stadium.
That was a couple of shows, I mean like stop touring clubs, that would blow.

[coheneran]

They opened for Green Day at Giants Stadium.

How embarassing for them. I can't believe they would accept the offer to do that.

[Sid]

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, unless they are advertising McDonalds' or skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.

Again, missing the fact that they threaten DIY labels with lawsuits. How is that contributing to the anarchist cause?

[angryyoungandpoor]

No they're just on RCA. Only past releases are on AF.

not true. part of their deal with rca is that they can still release eps and singles on A-F.

[lynch_me]

Again, missing the fact that they threaten DIY labels with lawsuits. How is that contributing to the anarchist cause?
Don't forget being sponsored by Enties.

[coheneran]

Don't forget being sponsored by Enties.

It's called Etnies goddamnit!

[KingOfSka]

The shoes?

[coheneran]

The shoes?

I assume that is what he is talking aboot (hehe, canada). Unless there is something else called Enties I am not aware of. Is there?

[KingOfSka]

I assume that is what he is talking aboot (hehe, canada). Unless there is something else called Enties I am not aware of. Is there?

Har har.

It's a skateboarding company. That's the only company named Etnies I know of.

[coheneran]

That's what I though, Etnies. They make skate shoes and gear right?

[Liebensaft]

Yep. I have a couple pairs. Very durable and comfortable.

[Buzzbomb]

I don't know what Hot Topic is, but I assume it's a posershop. Well, what is everyone doing there if they hate it so much?

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, unless they are advertising McDonalds' or <b>skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.</b>

Etnies sponsers them and makes both skate shoes and designer clothes.

[England5Germany1]

I'm feeling stupid on this whole lawsuit thing, is that why PIX isn't gonna be selling Crime anymore?

[lynch_me]

I assume that is what he is talking aboot (hehe, canada). Unless there is something else called Enties I am not aware of. Is there?
Etnies, whatever. Clearly thats what I was talking about.:rolleyes:

Etnies sponsers them and makes both skate shoes and designer clothes.
I already stated that.

[TakeWarning]

Sponsored by Etnies, changed to Sire Records, threatening to sue DIY labels, opening for Green Day...seriously, that's a terrible list of crimes.

[KingOfSka]

Etnies sponsers them and makes both skate shoes and designer clothes.

:lol: Etnies isn't designer.

[Buzzbomb]

Next album should be called Crimes as commited by Against Me!

[TakeWarning]

Next album should be called Crimes as commited by Against Me!

Haha.

That reminds me, time for a new thread title to reflect their latest wrong-doings.

[Kithkin]

Searching for a former Clarity sounds a lot like As the Eternal Cowboy.

It's almost as if they don't suck at their instruments or singing anymore...

[TakeWarning]

See everyone seems to hate SFAFC but it kinda grew on me. It's nothing brilliant, but it has a few good songs, a little boring, but listenable in the end.

[lynch_me]

Searching for a former Clarity sounds a lot like As the Eternal Cowboy.

It's almost as if they don't suck at their instruments or singing anymore...
I don't believe they ever were bad.

[TakeWarning]

I reckon As The Eternal Cowboy is better than Reinventing Axl Rose.

[Buzzbomb]

Searching for a former Clarity sounds a lot like As the Eternal Cowboy.

It's almost as if they don't suck at their instruments or singing anymore...

Well then i liked them better when they sucked i guess.

[Subvert_bassist]

I still love Against Me! Well, all their stuff up until Reinventing Axl Rose, anyways.

[Flagjacket]

I still love Against Me! Well, all their stuff up until Reinventing Axl Rose, anyways.
Oh, BEFORE, they were not cool but slightly cooler than they were before. This is just taking the "I liked a band when they were underground" a step further.
/2cents.

[Lazybassplr56]

I have yet to hear Reinventing Axl Rose for some reason.

[Flagjacket]

We Laugh At Danger is an amazing song.

[Subvert_bassist]

Oh, BEFORE, they were not cool but slightly cooler than they were before. This is just taking the "I liked a band when they were underground" a step further.
/2cents.
Underground has nothing to do with it. I stopped listening to their new stuff entirely when that album came out because they ruined "Those Anarcho Punks Are Mysterious" on that album.

[Sid]

I'm feeling stupid on this whole lawsuit thing, is that why PIX isn't gonna be selling Crime anymore?

No the (threatened) lawsuit thing was apparently over the Ham forum at the PIX boards. The users changed Against Me's name to "ham" as basically a way to make fun of them.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Ok, so SFAFC is an amazong record imo now.

Miami, Justin, Unproctected sex..., From her lips to gods ears, Violence, How Low, Holy ****, Even at our worst were still better than most, problems, dont lose touch abd SFAFC are all rteally good songs, and the ones i didn't mention aren't terrible either.

[TakeWarning]

My favoruites on SFAFC include Miami, From Her Lips To God's Ears and Unprotected Sex With Multiple Partners.

[rawdog]

Ok, so SFAFC is an amazong record imo now.

Miami, Justin, Unproctected sex..., From her lips to gods ears, Violence, How Low, Holy ****, Even at our worst were still better than most, problems, dont lose touch abd SFAFC are all rteally good songs, and the ones i didn't mention aren't terrible either.
Yeah, everything you said except for violence and dont lose touch.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I like Violence and LOVE don't lose touch, it's not cool to like that song, but it's great.

[Bad Blood]

Joy is one of the best slower/acoustic songs i've ever heard.

[AIRIC]

We get spammed by Ultimate-Guitar and that's all they do?

[Angry Balled Fists!]

lmao.

Joy isn't that good imo.

[lynch_me]

lmao.

Joy isn't that good imo.
Go lmao in pop punk forum, Please.

[obese_breasts]

I love Joy.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Go lmao in pop punk forum, Please.

Nah, i will later.

[Flagjacket]

I think I will venture into the pop punk forums because this one is slow.

CAPTAIN'S LOG: Okay I'm back and it was pretty stupid.

[skavid]

I think I will venture into the pop punk forums because this one is slow.

CAPTAIN'S LOG: Okay I'm back and it was pretty stupid.

Big surprise there.

[CameoRole]

Joy is so great and Dont Lose Touch is amazingly catchy and fun to play.

We Laugh at Danger... is fun since it speaks to my Floridian ears.

[obese_breasts]

I'm going to play Joy solo for my school talent show in February.

[Liebensaft]

I'm going to play Joy solo for my school talent show in February.
I'd love to do some cool bass part from a song I like for some talent show or something, but my school sucks, and any kind of good music would be completely lost on all but a few other students.

[coheneran]

I'd love to do some cool bass part from a song I like for some talent show or something, but my school sucks, and any kind of good music would be completely lost on all but a few other students.

Play something horrible, and stop being defeatist. By horrible I mean horrible to them, not to us, ie. play George Clinton.

"Hard as steel and still gettin' harder. He's long, strong, a yard of tongue."

[skavid]

Play something horrible, and stop being defeatist. By horrible I mean horrible to them, not to us, ie. play George Clinton.

"Hard as steel and still gettin' harder. He's long, strong, a yard of tongue."

George Clinton lives like two miles from me.:p

[coheneran]

George Clinton lives like two miles from me.:p

WOW! You should stalk his house (he lives on a farm right?). He is so cool, like amazingly cool.

[skavid]

WOW! You should stalk his house (he lives on a farm right?). He is so cool, like amazingly cool.

Haha. I would never do that. (Grabs black ski mask, as not to be seen.)

[CameoRole]

I wish my brother George was here.

[tappenzee]

Hell yes! Anarchists that threaten DIY labels with the court system. That's so anarchy it hurts. Take down the forum making fun of us! Free expression is NOT anarchy!

I haven't ever called them sellouts nor does the sire thing bother me in the slightest bit. In fact, legal action threats and taking Crime off PIX is the only thing that bothers me about this band.

EDIT: By the way, the good people at PIX do progressive things. How would AM! suing them help with it?

So why wasn't this the issue at first? I don't follow bands bios, so I didn't know any of this, but people are screaming "sell out" just because they signed to a major. You're the first one that I saw bring up this whole lawsuit issue

[Brain Toad]

So why wasn't this the issue at first? I don't follow bands bios, so I didn't know any of this, but people are screaming "sell out" just because they signed to a major. You're the first one that I saw bring up this whole lawsuit issue

The major label thing is more well known to people who aren't huge fans then the fact they tired to sue PIX over that (hell I didn't know about that) and Sid takes more issue in the suit then the 'selling out' since after the suit he had already lost any respect he had for them (and he had a lot, I think he was one of the bigger fans on the board)

[rawdog]

I got my ticket for the melbourne show!!! It should be interesting to see how many people show up compared to last time...

[TakeWarning]

How many people showed last time?

I wonder how many people will show up to the Perth show, I have absolutely no idea.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

It makes me sad listenign to the lyrics of "Reinventing Axl Rose", they contradicted themselves so much.

Oh well, i still love them, i got the acoustic Ep the other day, it's incredible !

[TakeWarning]

It makes me sad listenign to the lyrics of "Reinventing Axl Rose", they contradicted themselves so much.

Oh well, i still love them, i got the acoustic Ep the other day, it's incredible !

When I listen to Turn Those Clapping Hands Into Angry Balled Fists I get pretty angry. I don't know why, I guess because that song is about the punk scene in general, and it just pisses me off.

[CameoRole]

What other songs are there about a tight nit scene where money ain't an issue like Reinventing? I mean, there are so few good songs that aren't cliche. Rise Above is kinda like that, but not as heartfelt, ya know? We were born, with a cause. That line gets me everytime. Our arenas are just basements and bookstores. I mean ****, that's genius.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Hey, this made me feel better:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10868655&postcount=65738

:)

[Henrik]

Wow, That sounds awesome.


I have a question:
On www.interpunk.com there are two versions of crime. A new re-issued one that says it's digipack. The new one is definitely just the new sabot production. But if I buy the old one, will it then contain burn burn burn?
Have anyone ordered their crime on interpunk???

[CameoRole]

Just buy it from PIX.

[nitzguy]

Hey, this made me feel better:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10868655&postcount=65738

:)
it helps:rolleyes:

[Angry Balled Fists!]

stfu, im just posting that the fame/money hasn't ruined them completley.

:rolleyes:

[redstainedeyes]

I bought Reinventing Axl Rose yesterday (sort of unrelated to anything else on this page). I was surprised at how much better than As The Eternal Cowboy it is.

[Anarcho Poser]

I bought Reinventing Axl Rose yesterday (sort of unrelated to anything else on this page). I was surprised at how much better than As The Eternal Cowboy it is.
That's what we've all been saying all along!

Cowboy is still good though.

[thepo]

When I listen to Turn Those Clapping Hands Into Angry Balled Fists I get pretty angry. I don't know why, I guess because that song is about the punk scene in general, and it just pisses me off.

Hmm, I always thought that song was really just about how Tom is just unhappy with his life etc. I never really thought it was about the punk scene at all. You mean the "I hate these songs" part?

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I haven't noticed it either.

[rawdog]

How many people showed last time?

I wonder how many people will show up to the Perth show, I have absolutely no idea.
Not sure, put it was packed, but at the arthouse, (where they are playing) its kinda divided into two rooms, and the second room has a pool table and a juke box, but the firt "main" room if you will was packed, but it was great cos it had such a good atmosphere, so many people were into it, but since last time, their popularity has increased a lot, so it should be interesting.

[Henrik]

Just buy it from PIX.

I have tried to contact them, but the progress is slow. I can't pay online and since I live in Denmark it's complicated for me to pay.
Maybe I'll get the old one if I order from no idea.

EDIT: Why do people still talk about the lawsuiting thing? In this letter it says that therewas no threat of legal action.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10733681&postcount=952

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Who knows.

I might buy the digi pack version, even thouhg i love Burn Burn Burn.