The Official Against Me! Thread

[SkaRobotArmy]

i'm doing my best to defend them but they're making it really fu'cking hard. I know what you mean teeb, but the music still suggests these values exist, they're just going about it in a different way?

[Teeb]

I recognize that their ideals still exist to some extent, but i would say they're actions still suggest they value money more.

[Converge#12]

They were on the hills on MTV. They have officially been denied as a band with any morals or ideals

[mullets suk]

my questions is, how much of this is them and how much is the record label. some would say that they should just quit, but they cant, unless they want to get slapped with a lawsuit.

[Converge#12]

my questions is, how much of this is them and how much is the record label. some would say that they should just quit, but they cant, unless they want to get slapped with a lawsuit.

On the contrary couldnt they royally eff up and have the company break the contract if I remember right.

[Pirate Satellite]

It's astonishing that people are still so disappointed in the band. This isn't really a further deterioration of their former ideals, this is just pretty much the same sort of stuff that they've been up to for the last two records. Their music is played in American Eagle. They opened for Green Day. They are probably in Alternative Press and Rolling Stone. They have made it clear that they don't stand for the same things they used to. I could understand being upset about it two years ago, but really, I'm sure there are more deserving whipping boys...

I'm just miffed because I liked their old music better, but as for the people, I have no reason to believe that they were or weren't lying in the first place. They really have no responsibility to any of us.

[Flagjacket]

It is really silly to invest a lot of yourself in any musical act.

Having a strong opinion of Against Me! feels like a punk rock fashion trend to me.

[Bukowski]

Against Me's first two albums, and concurrent EPs, are ****ing great.

The last two albums have been ****.

I don't like them now because the music is boring, and they lost the lo-fi, raw, passionate sound which made them distinctive to me (at the time) within punk music. I don't care that they sold out, they're still great live and Warren has some excellent facial hair. HOWEVER, this band is done making good music. Time to stop flogging a dead horse. Move on. Find better music. When I am 50 I might put on Reinventing Axl Rose and reminisce about how much I loved this band when I was 15. About getting drunk and seeing them the night before my HIGHER MATHS EXAM. I was that punk rock.

I'm just surprised to see people still spewing the same **** about this band. How much can you say about them? If you like the music just enjoy it and stop bitching. Have some dip.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

People are seriously still talking about this? People have been bitching about AM! selling out since ATEC. It's getting really old. Yeah, it'd be nice if they were still like they used to be but they aren't. Let em be what they want to be and leave em the f'uck alone.

[mullets suk]

they're still great live and Warren has some excellent facial hair.

i think we can all agree to this statement, more so the latter then the former. :p

[Ghostfire3]

i'm doing my best to defend them but they're making it really fu'cking hard. I know what you mean teeb, but the music still suggests these values exist, they're just going about it in a different way?

That was the poorest excuse for a defense I've heard. Just because a band's music "suggests" something doesn't mean they truly believe in what they're saying.

[SkaRobotArmy]

i didn't say that's why i defend them, i'm just putting stuff out there.

[Win A Rabbit]

My only question is, why did they have to put the "bop bop bop" part in Thrash Unreal?

I get embarassed when I hear them bop bop bop.

[mullets suk]

i like that part <<>>

[SkaRobotArmy]

yea, wouldn't be the same without it.

[AndreTheHyena]

Oh, they still have ideals. It's just that their ideals happen to revolve around making as much money possible.

Ehhh. That's debatable, and by "debatable" I mean that's liable to have your head smashed on a table.

lulz at white people for peace on a cellphone commercial.

What? Gross.

[Cliche]

Oh, they still have ideals. It's just that their ideals happen to revolve around making as much money possible.


Pretty sure Daniel J. Travanti from The Briefs said it best when he said that signing to a major record label and taking as much money from them as possible is a much more punk thing to do than to just bitch about them.

[TakeWarning]

But then again, it's not like major record labels are short on money (usually), so what does it matter to them?

And the label would probably make more money from the band than the band would from the label.

[Flagjacket]

Yeah like when people say Rage was on a major but it was ok because they took their money and gave it to radical groups, it doesn't change the fact that they made Sony and it's corporate family like 500 times more than they recieved.

[lynch_me]

Tom gabel seems like a douche in this new interview:

The argument the punk scene is making about mainstream culture is totally irrelevant now -- technology is changing everything, and they're still talking about $5 shows and seven-inch records. . We wanted the album to be polarizing, we wanted it to break us out of being stuck as just a punk band, but it's taking some time.

18 year old tom gabel would hate the 24 year old tome gabel

[Ghostfire3]

Pretty sure Daniel J. Travanti from The Briefs said it best when he said that signing to a major record label and taking as much money from them as possible is a much more punk thing to do than to just bitch about them.

No, not really. And when did I mention anything about them not being "punk" enough? I said that their ideals have changed, not that they stopped being "punk."

And that theory doesn't even make sense because they're not taking money from their major lable. They're making money for it.

[asdf]

If you told me all of this when I was 15 I never would have believed it.

[obese_breasts]

They're ****in' psychics, I swear

[stalemate]

I saw Against Me! in Oslo about two months ago, together with Future of the Left (which was really cool!) and Steriogram (Which wasn't good at all). Against Me! was really great guys, we hooked up and they put me and some friends on the guestlist because the show was sold out, and we got to talk a bit, they seemed really honest and down to earth, no rockstar to spot there. And the show was cool, mostly New Wave songs, 3-4 songs of Reinventing Axl Rose and some Searching For A Former Clarity, but the bumper at the show was a real asshole. Wish I got to see them on the tour with Sage Francis.

[Converge#12]

I saw Against Me! in Oslo about two months ago, together with Future of the Left (which was really cool!) and Steriogram (Which wasn't good at all). Against Me! was really great guys, we hooked up and they put me and some friends on the guestlist because the show was sold out, and we got to talk a bit, they seemed really honest and down to earth, no rockstar to spot there. And the show was cool, mostly New Wave songs, 3-4 songs of Reinventing Axl Rose and some Searching For A Former Clarity, but the bumper at the show was a real spatula. Wish I got to see them on the tour with Sage Francis.

^ Saw against me on MTV and decided to check them out.

[Flagjacket]

Liking Sage Francis really should be a punishable offense.

[SkaRobotArmy]

because he's intelligent and thought provoking? or a great writer? or because he makes catchy music? i mean they are all pretty terrible offenses...

[AndreTheHyena]

18 year old tom gabel would hate the 24 year old tome gabel

I think the same could be said for me, or most people involved in the punk scene.

[obese_breasts]

15 year old me would seriously question my music tastes currently

[Flagjacket]

Yeah and five years from now the five years older you will probably think lowly of the you now. It's called growing up and changing.

[Anarcho Poser]

who cares, honestly.

my friend is a big foo fighters fan, so we're going. it will be good times with good people.

[SkaRobotArmy]

Yeah and five years from now the five years older you will probably think lowly of the you now. It's called growing up and changing.

i hope you hit this stage some day.

[Flagjacket]

i hope you hit this stage some day.

lol I hope you reach the stage where everyone stops thinking you're a fag.

And you dedicate yourself to ska, which is a genre of music that's found it's most long term impact in the format of theme music for children's TV shows. What growing up have you done?

[mullets suk]

Liking Sage Francis really should be a punishable offense.

lol i agree. he may be a good song writer (i dont see it), but come on a fat white rapper out from the ghettos of rhode island is laughable thing.

[Flagjacket]

Sage Francis has about as much to do with hip-hop or listenable music in general as rolling pins have to do with spaceships.

[SkaRobotArmy]

Sage Francis has about as much to do with hip-hop or listenable music in general as rolling pins have to do with spaceships.

i've beat down some pretty big spaceships with my rolling pin...

what kids tv shows have a ska theme? i'm intrigued...
thanks though, i love when people respond with 'yea well your a fag' and the like because it means i win.

[Flagjacket]

i've beat down some pretty big spaceships with my rolling pin...

what kids tv shows have a ska theme? i'm intrigued...
thanks though, i love when people respond with 'yea well your a fag' and the like because it means i win.

Keep telling yourself all this, I didn't call you a fag I echoed popular sentiment.

[AndreTheHyena]

lol i agree. he may be a good song writer (i dont see it), but come on a fat white rapper out from the ghettos of rhode island is laughable thing.

I don't like Sage Frances, but what does his background have to do with not thinking he's legit? If he were presenting himself as a gangsta it'd be one thing, but he doesn't. I think rap stopped being an artform restricted to Blacks or people from the ghetto a long time ago.

[Flagjacket]

I don't like Sage Frances, but what does his background have to do with not thinking he's legit? If he were presenting himself as a gangsta it'd be one thing, but he doesn't. I think rap stopped being an artform restricted to Blacks or people from the ghetto a long time ago.

I back what you said hip-hop is for people of all races and backgrounds but if you'll take a look at Sage Francis and the people he runs with all of them suck. And the thing they have in common is that they're either white or from like, Minneapolis.

[AndreTheHyena]

Yeah, I agree that Sage Frances sucks, but it's not just because he's white or from Rhode Island, as that dude was insinuating.

[asdf]

I've heard worse than Sage Francis. But he's nothing I would go out of my way to listen to.

[Flagjacket]

white or from Rhode Island

Well that's not exactly a recipe for success in any facet of life.

[Brewing Up With]

I back what you said hip-hop is for people of all races and backgrounds but if you'll take a look at Sage Francis and the people he runs with all of them suck. And the thing they have in common is that they're either white or from like, Minneapolis.

What's wrong with mpls?

[Flagjacket]

Well Minneapolis has never produced a good rapper. Plus the Timberwolves and Twins are going to be pretty *** for the next like 2 years.

[Brewing Up With]

The Timberwolves will suck, yes. But the Twins? Oh no they wont... (Liriano)

[Flagjacket]

Yeah but good luck next season in the AL Central... (Detroit Tigers)

[SkaRobotArmy]

and the success of their sports teams has ...what bearing on its relevance to producing musicians?

[AndreTheHyena]

Minneapolis has produced Prince, the Replacements, and Hüsker Dü, though, so it has some merit.

But then again, it's not like major record labels are short on money (usually), so what does it matter to them?

And the label would probably make more money from the band than the band would from the label.

This argument (that supporting a major label either by buying their product or being a band on their roster is a punishable offense) is fine, unless you shop at any chain "box store" (Wal-Mart, etc), ever buy gasoline, eat industrialized meat, etc etc etc, in which case the argument is nullified. We forget how many huge, immensely evil corporate powers there are, and how much we really contribute to them simply by living a normal, consumer-driven life. The "Music Industry" is horrible, definitely, and they really don't deserve any more money, but there are a lot more bigger, meaner bullies in the world that I'm worried about.

[Flagjacket]

and the success of their sports teams has ...what bearing on its relevance to producing musicians?

It's called a joke, dick.

[radtaste]

So, do people generally like Against Me! with band and all, rather than the solo acoustic stuff?

[Flagjacket]

I like ATEC the best, but the Acoustic EP is also awesome.

[AndreTheHyena]

This argument (that supporting a major label either by buying their product or being a band on their roster is a punishable offense) is fine, unless you shop at any chain "box store" (Wal-Mart, etc), ever buy gasoline, eat industrialized meat, etc etc etc, in which case the argument is nullified. We forget how many huge, immensely evil corporate powers there are, and how much we really contribute to them simply by living a normal, consumer-driven life. The "Music Industry" is horrible, definitely, and they really don't deserve any more money, but there are a lot more bigger, meaner bullies in the world that I'm worried about.

I'm going to quote myself, because I think I made a pretty valid point that no one addressed.

[Flagjacket]

I see your words but all I can read is "pay attention to me listen to my opinions dammit!'

Don't you have a vegan basement tour to be booking?

[AndreTheHyena]

Don't you have some irrelevant to be complaining about? What's a vegan basement?

[Scuba_Steve]

I just dont support major label stuff because there is often very little that I tihnk is good enough to support. :-/


plus, I only buy vinyl now and very few huge major releases come out on vinyl.












This post makes me seem worse than I really am.

[Ghostfire3]

Minneapolis has produced Prince, the Replacements, and Hüsker Dü, though, so it has some merit.



This argument (that supporting a major label either by buying their product or being a band on their roster is a punishable offense) is fine, unless you shop at any chain "box store" (Wal-Mart, etc), ever buy gasoline, eat industrialized meat, etc etc etc, in which case the argument is nullified. We forget how many huge, immensely evil corporate powers there are, and how much we really contribute to them simply by living a normal, consumer-driven life. The "Music Industry" is horrible, definitely, and they really don't deserve any more money, but there are a lot more bigger, meaner bullies in the world that I'm worried about.

Sure there are worse things out there, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the music industry and major labels, which makes the other things you mentioned irrelevant.

Also, there's only so much in the corporate world that one can avoid. Obviously you can choose not to shop at Wal-Mart but there's really no getting around buying gas from a corporate bully.

[AndreTheHyena]

That's kind of my point. People make such a huge deal about a band signing to a major, when those people themselves (a generalization though this may be) take no real measures to avoid corporate allegiance or no real steps towards true "independence". You can't draw such a hypocritical line and vehemently accuse a band of "selling out", but then not apply those same ethics to the very life you lead, which is exactly what so many naysayers are doing.

(The "you's" in that paragraph are not referring to anyone in particular, so don't no one get all pissy).

[Henrik]

I see your point, but I just don't think that people should stop the hating on major labels just because there are even worse companys out there.

Of course, as long as our society runs like it does today, there are alot of (evil) corporations that we are kind of forced to support eg. gasoline. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't avoid supporting them when we get the chance.
Personally I don't shop too much in the huge supermarkets (which I'm assuming that Wal-mart is, never been there), and I try not to buy products from coca-cola mcdonalds and stuff like that.
I'm still a consumer and I definitely support bad things, but I try my best to keep it low.

[lexa]

I have a forum for AM! fans, so join if you want :)

http://againstmeforum.com/

[Henrik]

I'm seeing them in april supporting Dropkick Murphys. yay!

[Brewing Up With]

They're touring withe the Foo Fighters AND Serj Tankian now?

I'm even more disappointed now.

[mullets suk]

im seeing them in two weeks, (not with foo or serj). they are playing regular shows in between the huge venues.

also, im "art" for against me is posted on there website =)

[fuzzurin]

I saw that someone uploaded Tom's first demo over the summer, but the file's expired. Can anyone re-upload that for me?

[Henrik]

I can do that when I sit at the right computer. Just remind me again if I forget it.

[Ephemeral]

I have a 1st Pressing of RAR on the way to my house at this very moment :cool:

[lynch_me]

That is amazing. You must have paid like 100. for that, haha. I can only imagine that it's only going to get more valuable.

[mullets suk]

does anyone know what cymbals warren uses, i know he uses gretch drums.

[Cliche]

Zildjian cymbals. That was me who posted the demo tape in the summer, I can do it again if Henrik forgets. And I'd kill for a first pressing RAR!

Anyone see the newest AP? I bought it because Against Me! is on the cover and there's an awesome interview with them. First time I've heard Tom talk about the Tallahassee thing other than that video on Google.

[lynch_me]

Yeah, I saw that magazine last Saturday when I was at the store. I wasn't that interested, ha.

[Liebensaft]

Against Me! at Bonnaroo. Right along side of Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Pearl Jam, and Willie Nelson.

[Scuba_Steve]

The only one of those that excites me are Willie Nelson.




Am I healthy?

[Henrik]

Zildjian cymbals. That was me who posted the demo tape in the summer, I can do it again if Henrik forgets. And I'd kill for a first pressing RAR!

Anyone see the newest AP? I bought it because Against Me! is on the cover and there's an awesome interview with them. First time I've heard Tom talk about the Tallahassee thing other than that video on Google.

What did he say, and what else did they talk about?

[Cliche]

What did he say, and what else did they talk about?

He said that no one got their head smashed into a counter, all that happened was that a drink got knocked over. And then he went on to make a joke about how they were pissed off at him, meanwhile they're a bunch of anarchists who "ran to the cops at the first sign of trouble"

They also talked about how Andrew said he was going to beat the **** out of the guy who said he got his head smashed at the coffee shop. I don't know about you, but I would not want to **** with Andrew.

They mention some stories about how they all met each other, and how they all wound up in Gainesville and such. Line up changes and having to record RAR a full second time. There's also an interview with Matt Flood (of BtMI!'s Asbestos Records) about his extensive Against Me! vinyl collection.

[Henrik]

Sounds nice. Is the interview available anywhere on the internet?

[Cliche]

Sounds nice. Is the interview available anywhere on the internet?

Not that I know of. If you don't get Alternative Press over there, I can always just scan some pages for you.

[fuzzurin]

Yeah, Cliche, do you think you could upload it?

Thanks, man.

[Cliche]

I don't have a scanner at home, but I do at work, which I'm going to in about 30 minutes. So I can post it later tonight for you guys.

[Cliche]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8519/scan20012wz9.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3368/scan20013pt3.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/465/scan20014go3.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6274/scan20015ed1.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3639/scan20016vr0.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9455/scan20017bz2.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9954/scan20018gf9.jpg

That's all of them!

[fuzzurin]

Oh, I was actually referring to Tom's first demo.

But thanks a lot for the magazine as well!

[Cliche]

Oh, I was actually referring to Tom's first demo.

But thanks a lot for the magazine as well!

Oh, well how about that. I'll upload it now.

edit:

Tom's first demo tape.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t4p2qj

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

While people are uploading stuff, does anyone have a version of Live at CORE where it doesn't cut to the studio version of We Did It All For Don? That annoys me.

[Cliche]

I don't think it exists. But if it does, I want it pretty badly.

[AndreTheHyena]

The only one of those that excites me are Willie Nelson.




Am I healthy?

I saw Willie Nelson a few autumns ago. It was great.

[Liebensaft]

I don't think it exists. But if it does, I want it pretty badly.

Seconded. I bet the dude taping it just ran out of tape. And was the only person there taping it.

and

ITT: I wear the same shoes as Tom Gabel, evidently.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6274/scan20015ed1.jpg

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Oh well. Also, Tom should leave the facial hair to Warren and Andrew.

[chrisadlersidol]

im in a hardcore punk band but after everyshow we always play sink florida sink! just cause everybody knows it and its fun to sing along to

[Cliche]

Oh well. Also, Tom should leave the facial hair to Warren and Andrew.

For sure. Doesn't really suit him.

[lynch_me]

Interesting article.

[AndreTheHyena]

When did Tom Gabel get so sexy?

[Henrik]

Thank you very much Cliche.


Oh and while on the subject. Damn Live at Core is an awesome bootleg!!!
I think Untitled 2 might be one of my favorite Against Me! songs! I can't wait for the day where they come up with some b-side cd with a old recorded version of that song!!! :p

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Oh, I would love that. Untitled 2 rules so hard. And yeah, the rest of that show is great. The studio version of Untitled isn't nearly as good now that I've heard that one. So intense.

[Cliche]

The Stop! 7" single is out now. 500 yellow, 5000 black vinyl.

[Ephemeral]

Well, this sucks. They're playing in my city; but it's a private show. You have to win tickets from this really lame radio station here to get in, and to do that would require me to not go to school for about a month, and go in and play a game against the host and win in order to score 2 tickets; which according to the site are worth $100 each. This is bullshit.

[Liebensaft]

That's pretty sick actually. I'd be so psyched to somehow be at that show.

[Ephemeral]

No, it is both Kleptocratic and Plutocratic.

[Cliche]

Well, this sucks. They're playing in my city; but it's a private show. You have to win tickets from this really lame radio station here to get in, and to do that would require me to not go to school for about a month, and go in and play a game against the host and win in order to score 2 tickets; which according to the site are worth $100 each. This is bullpoop.


Damn, that does suck.

[Liebensaft]

No, it is both Kleptocratic and Plutocratic.

Unless you're in the audience.

[lynch_me]

Burgers, cokes, shakes, and fries--figure out what's important to you.

Eat at A&W.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

The Stop! 7" single is out now. 500 yellow, 5000 black vinyl.

Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.

[lynch_me]

Where did you see this? I don't see it anywhere.

It's out on tour with them.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Well ****. No way in hell I'm going to that show. eBay...

[Ephemeral]

Ah sweet. My first press of RAR just came today. :cool:

[Liebensaft]

I wish I could go back in time to when that first press came out. And I wish I could tell myself at the time to listen to Against Me!. I'd have such a headstart on their faggy new fanbase.

[matthewinoz]

Hey there,

If your a fan of Against Me! Check out my item on ebay


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Against-Me-White-People-For-Peace-SIGNED-7_W0QQitemZ130200145587QQihZ003QQcategoryZ2265QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or search

Against Me! - White People For Peace SIGNED 7"

On eBay

Cheers,

Matt

[obese_breasts]

I saw Willie Nelson a few autumns ago. It was great.

My dad and his band opened for Willie Nelson one time, and Merle Haggard another.

[Liebensaft]

Hey there,

If your a fan of Against Me! Check out my item on ebay


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Against-Me-White-People-For-Peace-SIGNED-7_W0QQitemZ130200145587QQihZ003QQcategoryZ2265QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or search

Against Me! - White People For Peace SIGNED 7"

On eBay

Cheers,

Matt

please b&. One post to advertise something on ebay? So homo.

[mullets suk]

I'd have such a headstart on their faggy new fanbase.

for the encore my friend called out impact. He said the people around him gave the weirdest stares like, "wtf is that song?" to save my hope for humanity, this guy then said "**** yea, IMPACT"

[IgniteYourAvail]

for the encore my friend called out impact. He said the people around him gave the weirdest stares like, "wtf is that song?" to save my hope for humanity, this guy then said "**** yea, IMPACT"

Haha oh wow. That's so dumb. They probably heard one song off Crime and was like "This iz gai I like White ppl 4 peace"

[mullets suk]

the people at the concert were all kinda stupid. Im all for do your own thing, wear what you want, but there were str33t punx writing on each other arms in sharpie. for WTF moments that gets up there. Then for the opening bands they started yelling out **** like penis. seriously get out of elementary school.

their set list for this last show wasnt all that great. I did meet tom after the show. I got the vibe that he really didn't want to be there.

[fuzzurin]

New song called Gypsy Panther up on their myspace.

I can't really get into it. Recording is ****, too.

[TakeWarning]

I thought it was pretty good.

[Brewing Up With]

It's alright, it's better than most songs on New Wave. Still more of the same though. I wish Against Me! was one of those bands that would switch around their sounds a lot. Like a rock album here, a punk album here, a folkier album here, a poppier album, etc. I just don't want them to keep doing more of the same, even if it does sound alright.

[lynch_me]

I think that gypsy panther song rules.

[Cliche]

It's alright, it's better than most songs on New Wave. Still more of the same though. I wish Against Me! was one of those bands that would switch around their sounds a lot.


Like a rock album here

New Wave.

a punk album here

As The Eternal Cowboy

a folkier album

Reinventing Axl Rose

a poppier album

Searching for a Former Clarity

[Brewing Up With]

They're not stark enough differences for me.

Just forget about what I said because this forum really nitpicks semantics and ruins any sort of good discussion.

[FreeSmells]

Best Against Me! song?

Pints of Guinness Make You Stronger

imo

[Flagjacket]

They're not stark enough differences for me.


Are you kidding? Cliche was right on with his post if you think those albums all are similar you need to suck your dad's jizz out your ears.

[mullets suk]

sadly flagjacket is right...

[Flagjacket]

sadly flagjacket is right...

You mean just like always

[mullets suk]

yup
<<
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[Anarcho Poser]

This Gypsy Panther will not play for me.

This upsets me.

[asdf]

The name is misleading.

[Cliche]

This Gypsy Panther will not play for me.

This upsets me.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/p24o2w

[Brewing Up With]

Are you kidding? Cliche was right on with his post if you think those albums all are similar you need to suck your dad's jizz out your ears.

Theres no need to be a full blown asshole about this. I tried to talk about something and I know he made a point. I know those albums are different, but I had a differen't idea than he did, and I'd rather not get into it because **** like this happens where people like you bring your pretentious douchebag posts into here just for the sake of being a dick to anyone you don't agree with.

Now please. Can we just drop it?

[Ghostfire3]

Dude, I don't know what you're talking about. All those albums definitely have different sounds.

[TakeWarning]

Very different.

They'd never revert to their Crime/RAR sound, but it would be pretty good if they released something like ATEC.

[Cliche]

Theres no need to be a full blown asshole about this. I tried to talk about something and I know he made a point. I know those albums are different, but I had a differen't idea than he did, and I'd rather not get into it because **** like this happens where people like you bring your pretentious douchebag posts into here just for the sake of being a dick to anyone you don't agree with.

Now please. Can we just drop it?

For the record, I'm not being a dick. In fact, I agree with you. 80% of the people here are ***-holes.

[Brewing Up With]

I'm not talking about you Cliche, you weren't being a dick at all. You made a point, all of their records are like that. But I meant by switching up their sound between records frequently. They're going to stick with this rock sound for a while, and I meant that it would be healthy for them to go for kind of a record reaching back to their roots soon, or go for an ATEC sound again to keep them interesting.

I know that all their albums are different. I just worded my first statement poorly.

[Cliche]

I can't really see them going back to any styles they've already done. Maybe SFAFC, but that's really the only one. It'd be interesting if they try and make another New Wave, or go for something new.

[Brewing Up With]

It would be cool if they just did an acoustic album sometime in the future just to shake things up.

[Henrik]

I agree on that one. It would be really interesting to hear a new acoustic cd. i know it wouldn't be like the acoustic ep, but I still got a feeling it would sound better than their most recent electric stuff.
other than that the only new Against Me! release that would make me really interested in the band again would be a total reinventing of their style or eventually a b-side record.

A new New Wave would make me loose interest for this band.

[mullets suk]

maybe they'll keep going with changing there sounds and we'll get a metal album, how cool would that be \m/

[asdf]

All that touring with Mastodon might do that.


But will all that touring with Tegan and Sara make them lesbians?

[Cliche]

Lesbian metal?

[catharsis]

As the Eternal and Axl Rose made me ****. Unfortunate what they're doing now.

[Cliche]

I agree on that one. It would be really interesting to hear a new acoustic cd. i know it wouldn't be like the acoustic ep, but I still got a feeling it would sound better than their most recent electric stuff.
other than that the only new Against Me! release that would make me really interested in the band again would be a total reinventing of their style or eventually a b-side record.

A new New Wave would make me loose interest for this band.


Have you heard the acoustic versions of New Wave and Animal?

[mullets suk]

they aren't that great. actually its pretty boring.

[Liebensaft]

Lesbian metal?

This should be a genre.

[Majesty]

they are meh

[Gnarmageddon]

This should be a genre.
It should be a way of life.

[Liebensaft]

It should be a way of life.

It should be a website with explicit pictures.

[Henrik]

Have you heard the acoustic versions of New Wave and Animal?

yeah I have New Wave from the time you uplaoded it, but it doesn't really do anything for me.


I would like a rough version of Up The Cuts acoustic with some screaming here and there.

[Brewing Up With]

Theres a video of Against Me! playing an acoustic version of Up The Cuts already. It's only okay though.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V_ycPql-GIk

[Cliche]

Theres a video of Against Me! playing an acoustic version of Up The Cuts already. It's only okay though.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V_ycPql-GIk

I love that video.

[Brewing Up With]

His voice gets a little phlegmy instead of screamy.

[FreeSmells]

Does anyone have their first CD? Vivida Vis?

[Brewing Up With]

Get Soulseek and search it up. That's how I found my copy.

[FreeSmells]

I can't find it on Soulseek.

[Brewing Up With]

It pops up sometimes. Soulseek can really be hit or miss. If you're not afraid of viruses you could try limewire...

[FreeSmells]

Nah I don't mess around with Limewire at all.
If someone has a link or somethin hit me up.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

http://www.mediafire.com/?tngmov2izkx

[FreeSmells]

Thank you thank you thank you!

[the-UK-ska-scene]

i'm seeing against me! in a couple of months at the garage in london. it's just down the road from where i live, but it's been shut for over a year and a half (since just after i moved to this area) which sucks. but i definitely can't wait to see the band, they are one of my all time favourite ever bands to see live.

[Henrik]

The mostly play new songs now, which sucks.

That being said it is still worth seing! The new songs are definitely better live than on cd.


The only song that really rules on Vivida Vis is **** Stroll IMO!

[the-UK-ska-scene]

yeah last time i saw them i noticed they played a lot of new stuff. but i only realised they were playing that day, and my friend blagged me in, and beforehand i'd got really smashed for free at a university function so i was just reaaalllly happy to be there and be drunk to be honest.

[Cliche]

Sire has been posting some videos of that acoustic show in Chicago I told you guys about last thanksgiving.

Baby (just tom):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74lbUt9lt4c

New Wave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfchlFAg-o

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

His voice sounds disgusting in those videos, especially the Baby, I'm an Anarchist one. Ugh.

And yeah, **** Stroll is by far the best on Vivida Vis, but it's definitely worth having anyway. I like This is Control too.

[lexa]

I just added a bunch more audio and video files http://againstmeforum.com/

In case there's something there you guys want and don't have, just sharin.

[Scuba_Steve]

On the topic of Vivida Vis, I love Burning Bridges.

If you can look past the recording quality (which did improve ALOT since Tom's Demo) its all pretty good imo.

[asdf]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Against-Me-S-T-12-Rare-OOP_W0QQitemZ280205767193QQihZ018QQcategoryZ306QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just so yous all know.

[Cliche]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Against-Me-S-T-12-Rare-OOP_W0QQitemZ280205767193QQihZ018QQcategoryZ306QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just so yous all know.

Yeah, the guy selling that is from the VC boards. Everyone is ripping on him because he's just doing it for a quick buck.

[nitzguy]

why else would you sell it? of course he's doing it for a cheap buck. anyone dumb enough to buy a 12" for $100 is just that, dumb.

the VC board folks better never sell anything ever or they'll be hypocrites

[mullets suk]

VC board?

[asdf]

Vinyl Collective. Although I found out about in on DeadFormat.

[mullets suk]

new against me song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCGFBBAGJQ

not to bad, reminds me of some of there older stuff.

[low0left]

its just sad how theyll never be the same, not by sound but by never having the same beliefs as before which will definetly affect their music after and did.

[AIRIC]

God that song was so predictable. And his voice is horrid.

[Cliche]

Another one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BK5Jyxv65AQ

[Ghostfire3]

Another one.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BK5Jyxv65AQ

That was bad.

[Henrik]

I kind og like that gypsy panther song!

[Brewing Up With]

These new songs have potential to be better than most of the songs on New Wave.

[playguitar]

I like New Wave, but I think their material took a drastic turn for the worse with it. Everything released before it, especially Axl and Eternal, was just so much damn better. The originality and unconventional ideas they used to have are just kinda gone.

[Henrik]

I didn't really like Searching for a former clarity either.

[Lexluthor]

Ill be honest, I actually like New Wave a little better than I liked Searching (and I hated Searching).

Whilst in my opinion its still a very very average rock album, it does contain a few parts that seem to shine through the rough (Thrash Unreal/Borne On The FM Waves). Even if every other song was great though, the entire thing is always going to be ruined by the song Stop (....what were they thinking?!)

[asdf]

I don't want to admit that I occasionally get Thrash Unreal stuck in my head and need to listen to it.

I don't want to like it, but I almost sort of do.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't want to admit that I occasionally get Thrash Unreal stuck in my head and need to listen to it.

I don't want to like it, but I almost sort of do.

proof that against me are stealing your freedom of thought.




Cease listening immediately.

[Ephemeral]

capitalist sympathizers

[an0therface]

Sweet, just got my ticket for AM! and Crime In Stereo in Melbourne, saw them last June and it was a solid show, looking forward to it and CiS should be OK too.

Anyone know if Crime In Stereo is any good live? I have a few loose tracks on my computer but haven't heard all that much else.

[Joeeddstealschickens]

i'm seeing against me! in a couple of months at the garage in london. it's just down the road from where i live, but it's been shut for over a year and a half (since just after i moved to this area) which sucks. but i definitely can't wait to see the band, they are one of my all time favourite ever bands to see live.

Hey is their any chance you could pick me up a Stop 7" there if i send you the cash and an SAE?

[superskankinactionhero]

i was listening to the radio in my mates car today and the matey said 'and here's against me with the song think' (i think it was called) and it started with some shitty electronic indie so i was like surely this can't be THE against me... and then tom gable's unmistakable vocals kicked in with some awful lyrics, and i sat there for about ten minutes wondering what must've gone wrong

[Cliche]

i was listening to the radio in my mates car today and the matey said 'and here's against me with the song think' (i think it was called) and it started with some poopty electronic indie so i was like surely this can't be THE against me... and then tom gable's unmistakable vocals kicked in with some awful lyrics, and i sat there for about ten minutes wondering what must've gone wrong

Take some time to think.

[Imdrunksowhat]

The regular version of Sink, Florida, Sink (non acoustic) is my favorite by them. They make amazing music are are killer live

[me likes punk]

i was listening to the radio in my mates car today and the matey said 'and here's against me with the song think' (i think it was called) and it started with some poopty electronic indie so i was like surely this can't be THE against me... and then tom gable's unmistakable vocals kicked in with some awful lyrics, and i sat there for about ten minutes wondering what must've gone wrong

I belive you're thinking of Stop, but that starts out with a dance beat and vocals; no electronics. Unless it was a remix or something lame...

[Brewing Up With]

So.. what do you guys think of the recorded version of Gypsy Panther?

I was a little mislead by the acoustic version in that video.

[superskankinactionhero]

Take some time to think.

that's the boy. STOP! TAKE SOME TIME TO THINK! THINK ABOUT WHATS IMPORTANT TO YOU! YOU GOTTA MAKE IN IMPORTANT DECISION! or some bullshit

[londoncalling457]

I was listening to some AM! today and I realized that the lyrics to "Pints of Guiness Make You Strong" are pretty awesome. Makes me appreciate the song a lot more.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

The lyrics are the first thing I noticed. Everything up to and kind of including ATEC is fantastic, except maybe some of the really early stuff which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[londoncalling457]

Yeah the first thing that stood out to me was the part where he's like "If I would have known just how things would've ended up, I just would've let myself die." Pretty intense.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

That line always bothered me because "If I would have known" makes no sense whatsoever. I get what he means and I love it, but that line, grammatically, bothers me so much.

[Flagjacket]

"If I would have known" is grammatically sound...

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Well ****. It's the second part. "If I would have known just how things would've ended up..." Should be "things would end up".

Boy is my face red.

[mullets suk]

I was listening to some AM! today and I realized that the lyrics to "Pints of Guiness Make You Strong" are pretty awesome. Makes me appreciate the song a lot more.

my favorite lyrics, only rivaled by "Beginning in an Ending"

[the-UK-ska-scene]

i'm gutted, against me in london has been "upgraded" to islington academy, the worst venue ever. even the best bands have bad shows there. however, the steal are supporting so it evens out the badness for me

[Amphetamine]

Nuclear Cowboys actually gave me hope that some of the old spirit is still alive. Amputations kind of shrunk that hope.

[me likes punk]

God that song was so predictable. And his voice is horrid.


Agreed. It's exactly the same stuff that's on New Wave.

[sodapop99]

cliche, word is you have some audio?

[Liebensaft]

Watch out, Johnny RIAA here is looking to obtain some "bootlegs."

[Flagjacket]

Word on the net is that I can score some fresh bootleg mp3/wma/ac4 media files here!

[the-UK-ska-scene]

i saw them a couple nights ago in london. probably my favourite live band ever. wow. i love them

[superskankinactionhero]

i just realised they're playing the rock am ring in june which i have tickets for woop woop!

[TakeWarning]

They're playing next week.

I hope they'll finally play the songs I've never seen them play yet, like I Still Love You Julie and Those Anarcho Punx Are Mysterious.

[lynch_me]

I saw them last month, and the only song that they play off of Axl was pints of guinness.

[the-UK-ska-scene]

i just realised they're playing the rock am ring in june which i have tickets for woop woop!

haha, my house mate and a bunch of our friends are going to that this year. should be fun

[TakeWarning]

I saw them last month, and the only song that they play off of Axl was pints of guinness.

Lame.

Last time I saw them they played mainly New Wave stuff (before it came out), and it was quite boring.

[superskankinactionhero]

haha, my house mate and a bunch of our friends are going to that this year. should be fun

ahhh no way! we should drink :chug:

[superskankinactionhero]

hold on... i assume you're going with them?

[the-UK-ska-scene]

hold on... i assume you're going with them?

nah, unfortunately not. just heading to rebellion and reading cus the first ones awesome and i'm working at the second. i might head to fluff fest as well, a bunch of my friends go every year and keep telling me how awesome it is

[Cliche]

cliche, word is you have some audio?

Hmm, not sure what to think about this.

[me likes punk]

Show us what you've got in that trenchcoat.

[jonspeaks22]

These guys are really nice breath of fresh air from the normal rock radio music. They've been play for a while and its a good breakthrough

[Flagjacket]

These guys are really nice breath of fresh air from the normal rock radio music. They've been play for a while and its a good breakthrough

wooooooooow

[Liebensaft]

owcfh

[Rise Me Up]

AM! are releasing The Original Cowboy, which is the original recordings from As The Eternal Cowboy on Fat Wreck in July. Should be pretty interesting to hear.

http://www.fatwreck.com/news

[Liebensaft]

Brad returns.

Against Me! have realized that there's only so many ways they can get old fans to give them money.

[kitsch]

yea im not spending money on that.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

I'll buy it just for the hell of it/for the collection aspect. I realized recently that I really like New Wave and SFAFC, albeit for reasons different than those for which I like RAR and Crime etc.

[TakeWarning]

Buy it?

Hellz nah, just download it, Tom Gabel won't mind.

[christsimpson]

no because he's an "anarchist"

[kitsch]

and youre a spineless liberal

[ibanezman575]

oshi

[kitsch]

i have an 8th pressing of disco, but i found a 1st pressing on ebay for like $45.00. should i buy?

(its one of my favorite eps)

[terry_b_wanna_b]

does anyone know where i could find anything by Oogle Orphanage?

[Liebensaft]

i have an 8th pressing of disco, but i found a 1st pressing on ebay for like $45.00. should i buy?

(its one of my favorite eps)

Only if you're really into collecting and memorabilia and stuff.

[kitsch]

im not really into it but idk i think its cool to have 1st pressings of ****.
i have a city of caterpillar lp oop.
i dont think i will since its just an ep and its 45.

[kitsch]

my favorite lyrics, only rivaled by "Beginning in an Ending"

walking is still honest owns

[Klekticist]

i'm REALLY trying to get into them....

[boundbytransience]

Don't feel bad if you don't.
I never really got into them, personally.


Just don't go to Gainesville expecting sympathy.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

So Warren's out of the band.

http://ifeelsicktomystomach.blogspot.com

[TakeWarning]

I'll miss his beard, but that's about it.

[Liebensaft]

"We told Warren this afternoon that we are going to look for a new drummer. Andrew, James and I made the decision a couple days ago over lunch. I told them that I didn’t want to play music with Warren anymore. They both agreed that this was a necessary step, it’s been a long time coming. Warren’s heart hasn’t been in this for a while now."

Sounds like a meeting of the popular girls in middle school. In reality, Warren's heart isn't in it because he wants to play good music.

[AIRIC]

Exactly Joe. Warren decided he didn't want to play shitty pop music anymore. He realized that when Tom does that stupid deep voiced singing thing it should be a scream.

[AIRIC]

Also based on that blog Tom is one ****ed up guy.

[Liebensaft]

For real. They posted a thing on myspace saying Warren decided to leave the band and totally wanted to do it himself because he's opening a Mexican restaurant called Boca Fiesta in Gainesville.

[Liebensaft]

For anyone interested, this is The Original Cowboy, the first recordings/demos from As the Eternal Cowboy.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nxznn2fqz2g

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Man, I'll be buying this just 'cause but it isn't really worth having. It's just shittier versions of the songs. Except Cavalier Eternal which is exactly the same.

[TakeWarning]

Thanks for posting, I love stuff like this.

[Liebensaft]

Man, I'll be buying this just 'cause but it isn't really worth having. It's just pooptier versions of the songs. Except Cavalier Eternal which is exactly the same.

Did you listen already? I was hoping it would be at least as good as the album versions. Bleh.

Thanks for posting, I love stuff like this.

No problemo

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

Did you listen already? I was hoping it would be at least as good as the album versions. Bleh.

Yeah. I didn't think they were as good, which makes sense being that they're demos. I'm not really sure why they're releasing this.