Jordan ruddess... amazing? who agrees? [Archive]

freakmeeko

09-07-2005, 03:51 PM

I often have to participate Rudess vs. Ricky Wright debates on the DDD forums cause I believe Rudess is better than Wright. It's like Hendrix and Clapton. Hendrix is very influencial and revolutionary, but Clapton has him on T-skillz.

munky_magik

09-07-2005, 03:54 PM

Techincally he is amazing and occasionally he has a great sense of melody. But more often than not he gets carried away by the technicality of the music.

Firecracker

09-08-2005, 02:50 PM

My msn name yesterday and the day before was:
"The World's Biggest Jordan Rudess Fan"

He is brilliant inspiration, and an amazing player.

Speedy Fingers

09-08-2005, 05:46 PM

My msn name yesterday and the day before was:
"The World's Biggest Jordan Rudess Fan"

He is brilliant inspiration, and an amazing player.
I'll have you know i'm a much bigger JR & DT fan.

Grrrrr.

Paul

09-08-2005, 06:55 PM

Techincally he is amazing and occasionally he has a great sense of melody. But more often than not he gets carried away by the technicality of the music.
yeah, for instance in the Live at Budoken dvd he get's a bit carried away with his improv but I like his stuff with DT and JP

munky_magik

09-08-2005, 07:27 PM

yeah, for instance in the Live at Budoken dvd he get's a bit carried away with his improv but I like his stuff with DT and JP
He does like his technical playing. But if you're a member of DT that's only to be expected. Most of his solo stuff is quite good, though it is in the same vein as his DT stuff.

I quite like listening to the solo albums of DT members so that you can see what each member brings to the band.

Det_Nosnip

09-08-2005, 10:59 PM

Some of the lines he runs with Petrucci are ridiculous. The harmonized/dualed leads and whatnot...absolutely amazing how tight those 2 are.

Paul

09-09-2005, 04:45 AM

Some of the lines he runs with Petrucci are ridiculous. The harmonized/dualed leads and whatnot...absolutely amazing how tight those 2 are.
amen to that :naughty:

Esp Griffyn

09-09-2005, 06:14 AM

He's a good, some of his solos are a bit crap though. There is one in "Scenes from a memory" somewhere, he uses an awful tone. it sounds like an elephant being stabbed in the abdomen and screaming.

He isnt as good a writer as Kevin Moore either. Kevin Wrote "Wait for sleep" which went on to be the main theme of "Learning to live", which is one of Dream Theater's best songs. Dream Theater post Moore took a bit of a dive.

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-09-2005, 07:29 AM

it sounds like an elephant being stabbed in the abdomen and screaming.

:lol:

Queen August

09-12-2005, 11:14 AM

I've never been too impressed with his playing. He doesn't strike me as original at all. I do admit he's skilled, but I prefer more advanced players like Emerson and Wakeman over rudess.

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-12-2005, 12:43 PM

hmm, i only have octavarium of dream theater's stuff, and in most of the songs i cant really hear the keyboard (unless im just confusing it with what i think is guitar), but on the quieter bits he plays really nice chords and simple-ish melodies, but nothing techinically amazing.

that is unless some of those craazy solos are him rather than petrucci.

id be really interested to hear some of his solo stuff

Det_Nosnip

09-12-2005, 12:48 PM

Yes. It is rather easy to confuse him with Petrucci. Many times, it's actually both.

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-12-2005, 12:56 PM

Yes. It is rather easy to confuse him with Petrucci. Many times, it's actually both.

:confuse: Oh dear.

Could someone please post some of jordan's solo work?? Then i can try and play some of it :cool:.

Speedy Fingers

09-12-2005, 04:33 PM

:confuse: Oh dear.

Could someone please post some of jordan's solo work?? Then i can try and play some of it :cool:.
Id love to hear that, add me to your MSN:

endlesssacrifice@gmail.com.

Or Yahoo!:

ukjokerbran

Stinkfist2

09-12-2005, 04:43 PM

All I can say is he's amazing and is very talented and Dream Theater is amazing also. I've been listening to them for a couple of months now and they are very talented and great at making their music flow. I never really realize Jordan playing just cause he sounds so much like the guitar, but he does put in some cool effects in some of the songs.

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-13-2005, 12:21 PM

Id love to hear that, add me to your MSN:

endlesssacrifice@gmail.com.

Or Yahoo!:

ukjokerbran

sure thing.. its gonna be messy though, lol

kidthatplaysguitar91

09-13-2005, 10:16 PM

he's awesome, i met him at a concert

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-15-2005, 03:54 PM

he's awesome, i met him at a concert

cool!! is he really as old as he looks on his pic on Octavarium (im assuming he's the lowest pic on the back cover), cos he llooks like he's in his 40's or 50's !

national_chaos_jolliffe

09-16-2005, 08:43 AM

cheers guys much appreciated

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-16-2005, 12:18 PM

cheers guys much appreciated

np matey.

i was listening to the Octavarium CD today on the bus home and listening out for the jordan ruddess bits.. in a lot of the heavy and heavyish bits it's very hard to hear, though his solo's are awesome.. i dont remember fully but i seem to remember there being a good one in These Walls (great song IMO).

basically, are the bits where there's a solo and also the main guitar riff playing, is that always Jordie or do u reckon they overdub petrucci wth a solo and rhythm at same time??

Speedy Fingers

09-16-2005, 12:35 PM

When there's rhythm guitar and lead guitar, the lead is just overdubbed.

fedroger

09-18-2005, 03:31 AM

As far as non concert/jazz pianists, he's definitely one of the best. Most talented member of DT IMO, although it's a close call between him and Petrucci.

What did you expect from a person that went to Juliard at age 9?

John Petrucci is also in his own class!!!

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-18-2005, 04:09 AM

I happen to think Portnoy is the second most talented member in the band.

Petrucci's good, but he's not in a league of his own at guitar, whereas Portnoy is in a league of his own as a drummer.

Speedy Fingers

09-18-2005, 07:07 AM

I agree on that actually. He is a fantastix guitarist, but there's definitely something lacking.

Mike Portnoy is just amazing.

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-18-2005, 08:36 AM

Jordan is definitely the best, though. He's amazing.

Speedy Fingers

09-18-2005, 08:42 AM

Jordan is definitely the best, though. He's amazing.
Yes.

RichHunt

09-18-2005, 08:42 AM

What about John Myung? He looks pretty talented to me.

I disagree about Portnoy being the second most talented though, he couldn't groove himself out of a wet sock.

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-18-2005, 08:50 AM

How do you know that?

RichHunt

09-18-2005, 09:16 AM

Because he's all chops.

Chops Chops Chops.

Lamb and Chops.

kidthatplaysguitar91

09-18-2005, 10:23 AM

cool!! is he really as old as he looks on his pic on Octavarium (im assuming he's the lowest pic on the back cover), cos he llooks like he's in his 40's or 50's !

ya he is

kidthatplaysguitar91

09-18-2005, 10:24 AM

can anyone play the keyboard solo to octavarium

Queen August

09-18-2005, 04:56 PM

I can...

I don't see why people find this guy to be that astounding on keyboard? There are atleast 10 people off the top of my head I know that are miles ahead of him. As for Portnoy... He isn't in a league of his own. Listen to a band called Brand X... you may know that drummer:-) Mr.Bruford also comes to mind. As for Petrucci... Eh....

Dream Theatre are great and a favorite of mine... But no...

Knifeboy

09-18-2005, 05:35 PM

He isnt as good a writer as Kevin Moore either. Kevin Wrote "Wait for sleep" which went on to be the main theme of "Learning to live", which is one of Dream Theater's best songs. Dream Theater post Moore took a bit of a dive.

123 , Moore's solo project Chroma Key is amazing

Queen August

09-18-2005, 07:05 PM

Moore has style, Rudess is stale... This is of course the opinion of someone like me....

Speedy Fingers

09-19-2005, 01:51 AM

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-19-2005, 07:13 AM

Because he's all chops.

Chops Chops Chops.

Lamb and Chops.
He plays what fits Dream Theater's music.

I'm sure he's able to "hold a steady groove" (or whatever you drummers say), and you can't really prove that he can't!

I don't see why people find this guy to be that astounding on keyboard? There are atleast 10 people off the top of my head I know that are miles ahead of him. As for Portnoy... He isn't in a league of his own. Listen to a band called Brand X... you may know that drummer:-) Mr.Bruford also comes to mind. As for Petrucci... Eh....
Brand X? Are you sure you're not talking about Planet X? I'm just making sure.

Also, I happen to think Haake is a better drummer than Portnoy, but you're misinterpreting my original point.

I think Portnoy is a better drummer than Petrucci is a guitarist, in terms of comparison with other people that play said instrument.

Refl

09-19-2005, 12:25 PM

I love jordans playing and what he brings to DT, just as i loved Kevin And Dereks work.
As far as the skill of each musician, probably Petrucci Myung And Jordan are on par with each other then Portnoy is great but his best drumming is outside of DT.

I love James' vocals aswell.

Queen August

09-19-2005, 12:32 PM

Haha... No i'm talking Brand X friend, give them a listen. The song,"Nuclear Burn"... holy ****! Ah Speedy, you'll love unorthodox... Phil's sooooo amazing, who knew? And Yes, I agree with one Point. Portnoy does more for me than Petrucci... bah! Haha.. I'm a bastard... Rudess is good, the band is good... But i'm not as impressed as some may be. I recall this band from the 70s... umm... Gentle Giant? We all need to get a band and "Attempt" to cover a few of their songs. "Does a dance" Bah!

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-19-2005, 01:01 PM

What did you expect from a person that went to Juliard at age 9?

John Petrucci is also in his own class!!!

what is Julliard?? Is it some type of music school for freakish child prodigies??

also, about that myung dude... on most DT songs that ive listened to i cant really distinguish anything that special that he does, unless i'm missing something. i only have Octavarium, but on that CD the only hard-sounding bit that i've been able to distinguish is the opening to panic attack....

Queen August

09-19-2005, 01:15 PM

HAHA! I agree... Myung is definitly a cheese ball. He's as mechanical as it gets....

burntgorilla

09-19-2005, 02:37 PM

Nah, Myung is good, though you don't really hear him that much. When Petrucci goes off on a bender on In The Name Of God, him and Portnoy do a good wee groove thing. Also, in the earlier albums he comes through more. Well, earlier to me is 6DOIT (I'm working my way backwards). On The Glass Prison he does some nifty stuff.

Speedy Fingers

09-19-2005, 04:33 PM

I'm odd in that I think Myung is the most talented member of Dream Theater by quite a margin. With Petrucci and Ruddess, they're both very talented at their instruments, but they too often don't know when to reign it in a bit. That's most obvious when you hear their live stuff...like the guy who mentioned Live At Budokan, I think that bits of it detract from the music, like the extended version of Beyond This Life, which is borderline on record anyway. Myung doesn't do that sort of thing really (although as a bassist it's pretty much to be expected that he'll take more of a back seat), and of course he can keep up with Petrucci when he really gets going.

Ruddess is the second most talented member of the band for me...Petrucci is great, but there are other guitarists within the genre that match him. I can't think of a keyboardist in progressive metal/rock today that matches Ruddess, although I'm happy to hear anyone that can. Portnoy to me is good, but not great. His stamina is excellent, but he seems to be growing a bit stale in his ideas.
I respect your opinions completely, and it's Rudess.

Queen August

09-19-2005, 08:05 PM

Does anyone want to form a Gentle Giant tribute band? Hehe

Det_Nosnip

09-20-2005, 12:17 AM

Portnoy to me is good, but not great. His stamina is excellent, but he seems to be growing a bit stale in his ideas.

That statement would be correct if uttered...oh....10 years ago. :(

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-20-2005, 01:47 AM

Haha... No i'm talking Brand X friend, give them a listen.
Oh, okay. Well, I just always hear drummers rambling on about, uh... what's his name? Virgil Donati or something? He's from Planet X.

Det_Nosnip

09-20-2005, 12:04 PM

He plays what fits Dream Theater's music.

I'm sure he's able to "hold a steady groove" (or whatever you drummers say), and you can't really prove that he can't!
Actually, you can. Easily. Case in point: Beatles Cover Band. *shudders*

I think Portnoy is a better drummer than Petrucci is a guitarist, in terms of comparison with other people that play said instrument.

I don't see how anyone could ever come to that conclusion, other than through ignorance of the instrument.

09-20-2005, 01:15 PM

as he is a DT player, he always rulz.(though i dont know noting abt keys or piano,i just like the sound of it)

Diatonic Dissonance™

09-20-2005, 09:39 PM

Actually, you can. Easily. Case in point: Beatles Cover Band. *shudders*

I don't see how anyone could ever come to that conclusion, other than through ignorance of the instrument.
How many drummers can you name that are better than Portnoy? 30? 40?

I bet I could name more guitarists that are better than Petrucci.

Speedy Fingers

09-21-2005, 04:30 AM

This thread wasn't meant for this. But I guess some activity in the P&K forums is good news :\.

Paul

09-21-2005, 04:39 AM

hey speedy if you see this do you still want the juno-D ?

email me

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-21-2005, 03:55 PM

That statement would be correct if uttered...oh....10 years ago. :(

:lol:

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-21-2005, 04:03 PM

How many drummers can you name that are better than Portnoy? 30? 40?

I bet I could name more guitarists that are better than Petrucci.

Well...that all depends on how you define "good" or "better". Also, that's a crappy methos you have there of measuring who's better of the two. personally, i dont find portnoy that incredible. sure, he's really technically brilliant, but i much prefer someone like chad smith who , to me, has a better sense of groove and style and such.

but i mean it all depends on the rest of the band, i mean i bet chad would struggle in DT just as portnoy would struggle in rhcp, they have a very diffrent style and are pretty good at what they do.

meh, im rambling now, soz. erm basically you can't compare two people from different instuments when they're both clearly very proficient. :thumb:

Speedy Fingers

09-21-2005, 06:08 PM

hey speedy if you see this do you still want the juno-D ?

email me
Sorry man, unless you want to give it to me, then just sell it.

Sorry for puttin' you out.

Det_Nosnip

09-22-2005, 12:06 AM

How many drummers can you name that are better than Portnoy? 30? 40?

I bet I could name more guitarists that are better than Petrucci.

Do you really want to get into this?

Vinnie Colaiuta
Steve Gadd
Dave Weckl
Virgil Donati
Bill Bruford
Antonio Sanchez
Stanton Moore
Joe Morello
Airto Moreia
Thomas Lang
Niel Peart
Gavin Harrison
Billy Cobham
Ian Paice
Jan Axel Von Blomberg
Tony Williams
Buddy Rich
Jeffrey Clemens
Louie Bellson
Jason Rullo
Horacio "El Negro" Hernandez
John Tempesta
Alex Acuna
Sean Reinert
Gene Hoglan
Danny Carey
Thomas Haake
Art Blakey
John Bonham
Carter Beauford
Jack Dejohnnete
Peter Erskine
Jojo Mayer
Elvin Jones
Omar Hakim
Giovanni Hidalgo
Manu Katche
Marco Minniman
Clyde Stubblefield
Jaboo Sparks
Chad Wackerman
Max Roach.

Everyone on that list could without a doubt blow Portnoy out of the sky.

Knifeboy

09-22-2005, 12:12 AM

Can't we just agree that both Portnoy and Petrucci both suck?

:p

Paul

09-22-2005, 01:00 AM

Sorry man, unless you want to give it to me, then just sell it.

Sorry for puttin' you out.
that's fine, just thought I'd check ;)

fedroger

09-22-2005, 01:56 AM

what is Julliard?? Is it some type of music school for freakish child prodigies??

also, about that myung dude... on most DT songs that ive listened to i cant really distinguish anything that special that he does, unless i'm missing something. i only have Octavarium, but on that CD the only hard-sounding bit that i've been able to distinguish is the opening to panic attack....

Youv'e never heard of Juliard? YOUR A ****ING IDIOT!! Youv'e probably never heard of HARVARD either. Ah!! whats that!?

Speedy Fingers

09-22-2005, 08:22 AM

Youv'e never heard of Juliard? YOUR A ****ING IDIOT!! Youv'e probably never heard of HARVARD either. Ah!! whats that!?
Please, no flaming. It's completely unnecessary.

Esp Griffyn

09-22-2005, 10:28 AM

whereas Portnoy is in a league of his own as a drummer.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Funniest thing Ive read in a long time!

Its almost like Neil Peart and Steve Smith never existed!

Queen August

09-22-2005, 11:35 AM

Throw Phil collins on that list... he's better than umm... most of them if you know his true playing.

burntgorilla

09-22-2005, 01:57 PM

Youv'e never heard of Juliard? YOUR A ****ING IDIOT!! Youv'e probably never heard of HARVARD either. Ah!! whats that!?

You've never heard of Juliard? YOU'RE A ****ING IDIOT! You've probably never heard of Harvard either. Ah! What's that?!

If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least get your post right, jackass.

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-22-2005, 03:37 PM

You've never heard of Juliard? YOU'RE A ****ING IDIOT! You've probably never heard of Harvard either. Ah! What's that?!

If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least get your post right, jackass.

:lol: cheers man.

...but seriously, could someone tell me what it is?? Now I kind of realize it's some sort of amazing music college, I think.

Sorry for being a ****ing idiot. :)

Oh oh oh, I almost forgot (well, not really), but I'm going to see Dream Theater in London on the 25th October!! Woo! Who else is going, anyone?

Det_Nosnip

09-22-2005, 05:12 PM

Throw Phil collins on that list... he's better than umm... most of them if you know his true playing.

Yeah, Phil's great...I love his early Genesis stuff.

He couldn't lay a finger on Colaiuta, though...but, then again, if Jesus were to have his second coming and returned in the form of a drummer, HE probably couldn't touch Colaiuta, either. When you talk about drummers in a league of their own....Vinnie Colaiuta is the type of player that should spring to mind, not Mike Portnoy. :p

Ollie The Drumming Legend

09-23-2005, 11:36 AM

Yeah, Phil's great...I love his early Genesis stuff.

He couldn't lay a finger on Colaiuta, though...but, then again, if Jesus were to have his second coming and returned in the form of a drummer, HE probably couldn't touch Colaiuta, either. When you talk about drummers in a league of their own....Vinnie Colaiuta is the type of player that should spring to mind, not Mike Portnoy. :p

I didnt realize his name was Mike... lol..
personally ive not heard of Vinnie Coliauta, which band is he from? :upset: idiot again lol

but yeah..shame Phil gave up the drums for piano. :upset:

Queen August

09-23-2005, 02:16 PM

I know Colaiuta is good, don't get me wrong. Phil Collins at his best though is, in my opinion, as good as Colaiuta. Nuclear Burn by Brand X still blows my mind today... seriously. But i'm glad we can both agree that Portnoy isn't in a league of his own... Not a chance.