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Illmatic
08-06-2005, 08:11 PM
(Scroll down for Essentials List)

The Hip-Hop forum is attempting to be a source of actual discussion of music unlike most of sputnikmusic.com's forums. If you feel out of the loop check the stickied threads as they provide more information for people just getting into the genre. Please try to keep spamming to a minimum. Granted there is going to be a lot of discussion of awesome lyrics and great beats so extended discussions are encouraged just try to keep them somewhat on focus. Otherwise feel free to post about your favorite rap artists whether it be Freddie Foxxx or Dose One.

Current Moderators: kingsoby1, pixiesfanyo, Wish


Rules:

1. Discussion of Illmatic and 36 Chambers is solely reserved for the "what have you been listening to lately" thread.

2. No criticizing taste. You're welcome to say you don't like something... or to discuss why you don't like something... in fact we WANT you to discuss these things. But none of this "you're a backpacker lol" or "mainstream sux" jibber-jabber. It's played.

3. We don't care about crusaders trying to tell us about "real rap" or how all good rap is dead. This is a topic that only matters to people who don't know anything about the genre and we could really care less.



Essential Listening - aka, the only albums you absolutely need...

[2008] Black Milk - Tronic
[2008] Elzhi - The Preface
[2007] Pharoahe Monch - Desire
[2007] UGK - Underground Kings
[2006] Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
[2005] Lil Wayne - Tha Carter II
[2004] Kanye West - College Dropout
[2004] Madvillain - Madvillainy
[2004] MF Doom - MM.. Food
[2003] Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf - Big Shots
[2002] Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
[2001] Jay-Z - The Blueprint
[2001] Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
[2000] Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
[2000] Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele
[2000] Quasimoto - The Unseen
[1999] Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
[1999] The Roots - Things Fall Apart
[1999] Pharoahe Monch - Internal Affairs
[1998] Black Star - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
[1998] Outkast - Aquemini



Honorable Mention - Stuff people liked, but not absolute genre necessities...

[2008] Guilty Simpson - Ode to the Ghetto
[2008] Prolyphic and Reanimator - The Ugly Truth
[2007] Blue Sky Black Death & Hell Razah - Razah's Ladder
[2007] CunninLynguists - Dirty Acres
[2007] Dälek - Abandoned Language
[2007] El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead
[2006] Ghostface Killah - Fishscale
[2006] Lupe Fiasco - Food and Liquor
[2006] T.I. - King
[2006] The Roots - Game Theory
[2005] Common - Be
[2005] CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange
[2005] Edan - Beauty and the Beat
[2004] Masta Ace - A Long Hot Summer
[2003] 50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin'
[2003] Brother Ali - Shadows on the Sun
[2003] Dizzee Rascal - Boy in da Corner
[2003] Immortal Technique - Revolutionary, Vol. 2
[2003] INI - Center of Attention
[2003] Jay-Z - The Black Album
[2003] Jaylib - Champion Sound
[2003] Ludacris - Chicken and Beer
[2003] Outkast - Speakerboxx / The Love Below
[2003] Viktor Vaughn - Vaudeville Villain
[2002] Atmosphere - God Loves Ugly
[2002] Count Bass D - Dwight Spitz
[2002] El-P - Fantastic Damage
[2002] Scarface - The Fix
[2002] The Streets - Original Pirate Material
[2001] cLOUDDEAD - cLOUDDEAD
[2001] J Live - The Best Part
[2001] Nas - Stillmatic
[2000] Common - Like Water for Chocolate
[2000] Dead Prez - Let's Get Free
[2000] Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
[2000] Outkast - Stankonia
[2000] Reflection Eternal (Talib Kweli and Hi Tek) - Train of Thought
[1999] Dr. Dre - 2001
[1999] MF Doom - Operation: Doomsday
[1998] Big Pun - Capital Punishment
[1998] Devin the Dude - The Dude
[1998] Gang Starr - Moment of Truth
[1998] Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
[1998] The Coup - Steal This Album

The old "essentials" list. Credits go to Eliminator and Apocalyptic Raids:

East Coast
Gang Starr - Step in the Arena
Jeru The Damaja - The Sun Rises In The East
Jeru The Damaja - Wrath of The Math
Big L - Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous
Big L - The Big Picture
Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid in Full
Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
EPMD - Strictly Business
Run DMC - Raising Hell
Afrika Bambaataa & the Soulsonic Force - Planet Rock: The Album
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
Mantronix - The Album
LL Cool J - Radios
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low-End Theory
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die
Gang Starr - Daily Operation
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing...
Black Moon - Enta Da Stage
KRS-One - Return of the Boom Bap
Diamond D - Stunts, Blunts and Hip-Hop
Black Star - Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Black Star
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Ghostface Killah - Ironman
Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Guru - Jazzmatazz
Brand Nubian - One for All
Nas - Illmatic

West Coast
Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf - Big Shots
Quasimoto - The Unseen
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Ice Cube - AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted
Snoop Dogg- Doggystyle
Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Too $hort - Cocktails

Midwest
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
Common - Resurrection
Slum Village - Fantastic Vol. 2
JayDee - Donuts
Kanye West - College Dropout
Proof - Searching for Jerry Garcia
Binary Star - Masters of the Universe
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Bronze Nazareth - The Great Migration

South
UGK - Ridin' Dirty
Dead Prez - Let's Get Free
Dead Prez - Revolutionary But Gangsta
Scarface - The Diary
Outkast - Aquemini
T.I. - Trap Muzik
Devin the Dude - The Dude
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
CunninLynguists - A Piece of Strange
Count Bass D - Dwight Spitz








This is open to any discussion* about any form of rap---be it Grandmaster Flash or Eminem, NWA or G-Unit, Dr. Dre or Mike Jones, whatever.

Everything rap-related is welcome*

* - trolling, flaming, or any other kind of rap-hating is not condoned

labrat
08-06-2005, 08:18 PM
Enough with the rap threads,wait nevermind its my choice to come to these threads and post my little newb opinion.

Illmatic
08-06-2005, 08:18 PM
The other thread is apparently only about "new rap", which is retarded.

Excursions
08-06-2005, 08:21 PM
There should just be one thread, like this one and all rap discussion is put into that thread. It saves all these people constantly making the same thread over and over.

Illmatic
08-06-2005, 08:24 PM
That was my intention in making this thread.

Zappa
08-06-2005, 08:44 PM
* - trolling, flaming, or any other kind of rap-hating is not condoned

And will get you banned, as per the rules of this subforum.

I'm very much looking forward to the new Blackalicious album right now. That's my rap comment for today.

morrissey
08-06-2005, 09:26 PM
My rap comment for the day:

I'm very much looking forward to the new Kanye West album. I don't think he can pull it off. Hmm.

Robert Crumb
08-06-2005, 09:41 PM
*Gets out crystal ball.*

The new Kanye will have three or four good songs. The rest of the album will consist of bad skits and cocksure rants about how he's the best rapper/producer/gynecologyst ever. It'll go double platinum.

morrissey
08-06-2005, 09:42 PM
*Gets out crystal ball.*

The new Kanye will have three or four good songs. The rest of the album will consist of bad skits and cocksure rants about how he's the best rapper/producer/gynecologyst ever. It'll go double platinum.
ahahaha

The worst part is you're probably right.

Illmatic
08-06-2005, 09:44 PM
I think "Last Call" might be the worst thing recorded. Ever.

MattMan999
08-06-2005, 09:57 PM
The other thread is apparently only about "new rap", which is retarded.

Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!

Illmatic
08-06-2005, 10:02 PM
Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!

I meant that a thread that talked only about new rap was retarded because it closes down discussion for a lot of other different forms of rap. Shitstain.

morrissey
08-06-2005, 10:15 PM
Shut the hell up.....its my thread.... you dont have to visit if you dont like it. So **** off!
u tell him coolio

Endless Obsession
08-06-2005, 10:40 PM
My favorite rappers -

Dr.Dre
50 Cent
NWA
Kanye West
Sugarhill Gang
Notorious BIG
Snoop Dogg
Kool Keith/Dr. Dooom/ Dr.Octogon
Public Enemy

The one thing I dont like/understand about rap is how a word that was used just 40-50 years ago to mentally and emotionally degrade black people, and used when they were lynching them, is thrown around constantly like its nothing these days, by members of their own race. Also, they get soo offended when white people say it, but they can use it all they want.

Kurtz
08-06-2005, 11:46 PM
My favorite rappers -

Dr.Dre
50 Cent
NWA
Kanye West
Sugarhill Gang
Notorious BIG
Snoop Dogg
Kool Keith/Dr. Dooom/ Dr.Octogon
Public Enemy

The one thing I dont like/understand about rap is how a word that was used just 40-50 years ago to mentally and emotionally degrade black people, and used when they were lynching them, is thrown around constantly like its nothing these days, by members of their own race. Also, they get soo offended when white people say it, but they can use it all they want.
Then there are people who defend "nigga" and say it's a totally different word from ******. blegh

Rap is great. Fuck those "u cant speel crap w/out rap lolo look im sow witty" faggots.

Mekkalayakay
08-07-2005, 12:04 AM
What I've been listening to recently: In Alphabetical order. :p

Aesop Rock
Beatnuts
Big Daddy Kane
Black Sheep
Blackstar
Common
Deltron 3030
Dizzee Rascal
Eminem (Marshall Mathers LP)
Erik B. & Rakim
King Geedorah
Kwame Boy Genius
Lords of the Underground
Madvillain
Mf Doom
Mos Def
early Nas
Organized Konfusion
Quasimoto
Stereo Mc's
Tag Team
Ultramagnetic Mc's
Viktor Vaughn

Illmatic
08-07-2005, 12:10 AM
As you can tell from my sn, I fancy myself a big Nas fan...even stuff like It Was Written and Nastradamus. I actually like all his stuff up til Streets Disciple.

Speaking of Mos Def, I got The New Danger and it's one of the worst albums I've ever listened to.

I'm still getting used to Dizzee Rascal...his accent makes his stuff an adventure, imo. And Rakim, what can I say? The man is a legend.

Mekkalayakay
08-07-2005, 12:24 AM
I fancy Nas's first album more than the rest. And as for Mos Def, I liked Black on Both Sides best.

And yes, Dizzee Rascal's accent by itself makes every song interesting. It's something new. And I loved his Bjork-like samples on Boy In Da Corner.


I seriously only started getting seriously into hip hop like a week ago. hahaha.

morrissey
08-07-2005, 12:32 AM
I'm getting into rap extremely slowly. There are some artists (namely Kanye and the Streets) who I obsessed over after first hearing them, there are others that I have difficultly liking but eventually grow on me (Common, Public Enemy), and then a whole slew of artists that just plain suck (50 Cent, Nelly).

But it's been an interesting experience so far and without MX I likely wouldn't listen to rap at all.

edit: Dizzee's accent is awesome. :cool:

Illmatic
08-07-2005, 12:33 AM
Well, Nas's first album is flawless, so it's not uncommon to like it the best.

As for Dizzee, I really like the song "Fix Up Look Sharp", which to this day remains the second best song ever that samples Billy Squier's "The Big Beat" (the best being Jay-Z's "99 Problems").

Jaded
08-07-2005, 01:34 AM
Souls of Mischief is a dope group also. I hope you guys have heard their classic album "'93 to Infinity"?

Zengeance
08-07-2005, 03:27 AM
I'm a really big fan of Definitive Jux record label. Mainly due to El-P's incredible abilities as a producer. And each person is lyrically incredible. Cannibal Ox, Mr Lif, Murs, Aesop Rock, The Perceptionists, RJD2, El-P, and others are all in Def Jux. They are just the most talented label in rap history as far as i'm concerned.

I also like some old school stuff, Nas, Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD, etc...

I really LOVE Dead Prez's cd Lets Get Free, it's incredible. I listen to all types of rap if it's good, I even like Clipse's original album.

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-07-2005, 03:46 AM
Mekkalayakay you do know Viktor Vaughn, Madvillain and MF Doom are the same person?

Syncratic
08-07-2005, 10:04 AM
I like some hip-hop....most of Eminem's lyrics on the Marshall Mathers LP are very, very well-written.

Kanye West is excellent as well.

The Roots are a good band, too. ?uestlove is a great musician/producer.

Wyclef Jean's song from Chappelle's Show was great, I'm looking for tabs for that song.

So, in short, hip-hop and rap aren't all that bad! :thumb:

Mekkalayakay
08-07-2005, 12:16 PM
Mekkalayakay you do know Viktor Vaughn, Madvillain and MF Doom are the same person?

Yup. :)


Anybody like Busdriver?

ATM
08-07-2005, 12:32 PM
Hell yes.

I've been listening to a ton of underground rap lately.

Sage Francis
Demigodz
Swollen Members
Planet Asia
Defari

...to name a few :-D

Rise Me Up
08-07-2005, 12:35 PM
Can someone reccomend me something similar to Public Enemy or NWA? :thumb:

ATM
08-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Can someone reccomend me something similar to Public Enemy or NWA? :thumb:

Eazy E
Too Short
Eric B and Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Gangstarr
EPMD

3rdplanet
08-07-2005, 02:27 PM
What do people think is the best Buck 65 album?

Jam2Me
08-07-2005, 04:22 PM
I've got a decent rap collection...my favorites are almost all Outkast, Nelly - Country Grammar, all of The Roots and pretty much anyone with okayplayer, Michael Franti & Spearhead - Stay Human is an awesome album, and pretty much all of my other favorites have been mentioned in this thread. I don't like hip-hop nearly as much as I used to but Michael Franti has rejuvenated my interest.

Illmatic
08-07-2005, 06:09 PM
Can someone reccomend me something similar to Public Enemy or NWA? :thumb:

Eric B. and Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Ice Cube
Compton's Most Wanted
Mobb Deep
KRS-One
Ice-T

Dog
08-07-2005, 06:14 PM
Anybody like Busdriver?
I love Busdriver. Have you heard The Weather? It's a collaboration between Busdriver, Daedelus, and Radioinactive. It's pretty great.

Mekkalayakay
08-07-2005, 06:27 PM
I love Busdriver. Have you heard The Weather? It's a collaboration between Busdriver, Daedelus, and Radioinactive. It's pretty great.

I've only heard bits of Temporary Forever, but I will check that album out. <3

ATM
08-07-2005, 09:01 PM
Mek, I notice you are taking an intrest in rap. Next time I get a chance, Ill upload some mp3s for you.

Jam2Me
08-07-2005, 09:16 PM
How many Wu-Tang die hards up in this joint.


It should be a rule to only speak with Ebonics in this thread.

Illmatic
08-07-2005, 09:17 PM
How many Wu-Tang die hards up in this joint.

/raises hand


It should be a rule to only speak with Ebonics in this thread.

Sounds like something a white guy would say :p

ATM
08-07-2005, 09:21 PM
What you talkin' bout, jive turkey?

Illmatic
08-07-2005, 09:22 PM
That's not ebonics. Not by a longshot.

DemBonez
08-07-2005, 09:22 PM
Who's heard (of) Gil Scott-Heron? I will think lesser of you if you haven't.

Mekkalayakay
08-07-2005, 09:23 PM
Mek, I notice you are taking an intrest in rap. Next time I get a chance, Ill upload some mp3s for you.


Yeah, that would be awesome. Thanks. :)

We can randomly upload stuff in here that we think people should listen to/check out, if you guys are up to it.

I'm listening to Eyedea and Abilities - Now

hxxp://s35.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UZ4Z3R1FNFBE39V5BQZTTL1YR

I wasn't really impressed with this track until he starts rapping and rhyming at lightspeed at around 0:39.

edit: In fact, it's not that great of a song at all, I was just listening to it at the time. :upset:

ATM
08-07-2005, 09:24 PM
I'll hook you up :)

cicatriz
08-08-2005, 03:13 AM
I've been getting more and more into rap/hip-hop recently. I love Wiley, Dizzee Rascall, (older) Roll Deep, Crazy Titch. I think they'd be considered UK Garage, not hip-hop, but I'm not fussy. I'm really not a fan of stuff like 50 Cent though.

IAJP
08-08-2005, 04:42 AM
I love Rap music, I love Illmatic for making this thread too,
:).

[/DON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT MY SERIES THREADS (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375620) IN R&M, THERE'S RAP THERE TOO!]
:), never hurt anyone..

EDIT:
alright, my favourite rap bands:

Grandmaster Flash & TFF,
Public Enemy,
N.W.A,
Tupac,
The Beastie Boys,
Various Solo Rappers (Ice Cube, Dre., Eazy etc),
Rob Base,
Big Daddy Kane,
Blackalishious,
Deltron 5000,
Roll Deep,
Kanye West.

And the likes, I like various songs from certain artists, but as a whole I don't like certain artists.

I also hate the way newbs diss rap because they think it will make them look cool. :)

masada
08-08-2005, 01:32 PM
The Whitey Album by Ciccone Youth is probably one of my favorite rap albums. And yes, there is rapping on it.

Zesty Mordant
08-08-2005, 10:35 PM
As of now I really wanna hear the new Buck 65 album, but so far Be is definately the best hip-hop album of the year, followed possibly by the latest by Roots Manuva.

Anyone know any of the details of the upcoming Blackalicious album or when its coming out?

Illmatic
08-09-2005, 11:38 AM
5 favorite MCs:

5. Ice Cube
4. 2Pac
3. Chuck D
2. Rakim
1. Biggie Smalls

trev913
08-09-2005, 12:00 PM
I'm definitely only feeling 2Pac...and some Wu-Tang.

Mekkalayakay
08-09-2005, 01:25 PM
I bought Lords of the Underground's "Here Come the Lords" and Run D.M.C.'s Down With the King (which I wasn't incredibly happy with). I would have rather had Tougher Than Leather, since the store was apparently selling it for $2.99, but they lied to me and they didn't even have it. :upset:

This was about two weeks ago. I need to purchase some more stuff soon.

IAJP
08-09-2005, 05:02 PM
I'm definitely only feeling 2Pac...and some Wu-Tang.
Only Tupac?

You should listen to some N.W.A, and Public Enemy, and some Beastie Boys..and some Rob Base.

Etc.

ATM
08-09-2005, 05:03 PM
I am going to go see the Hieroglyphics and Del this month!

Robert Crumb
08-09-2005, 05:35 PM
Sweet, they can put on an awesome show.

I just saw VH1's Least Hip Hop Moments of All Time or whatever. Kinda sad, kinda funny.

Mekkalayakay
08-09-2005, 10:08 PM
So what are some good rap/hip hop labels to check out?

Zappa
08-09-2005, 10:10 PM
I just saw VH1's Least Hip Hop Moments of All Time or whatever. Kinda sad, kinda funny.

I saw a couple of those. Most of the ones I saw really weren't that bad. Like Busta Rhymes and Martha Stewart and Elmo rapping.

JonM
08-09-2005, 10:12 PM
So what are some good rap/hip hop labels to check out?

QUANNUM PROJECTS! Oh my jeez!

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-10-2005, 12:51 AM
Has anybody ever heard of Living Legends?

Robert Crumb
08-10-2005, 12:57 AM
I saw a couple of those. Most of the ones I saw really weren't that bad. Like Busta Rhymes and Martha Stewart and Elmo rapping.

The Elmo rap was funny. Never saw that before. Mostly the show was just like, "Look! White guy rapping. White guys can't rap lolz."

Rap labels:

Stones Throw
Definitive Jux
Ninja Tune (lot of turntablist stuff)
Quannum
Rhymesayers
Rawkus
Chocolate Industries
Warp (not really)
Fat Beats

Probably missing something obvious. I really don't think about labels so much any more; you're liable to find some crap anywhere you look. In any case, Stones Throw always surprises me with their consistency. I don't own a bad album from Stones Throw, but it's not like I have their entire catalogue so meh.

Mekkalayakay
08-10-2005, 01:09 AM
Thanks a lot. I just like to find new artists through record labels, and I wasn't sure what rap/hip hop ones were legit.

Ganondorf
08-10-2005, 02:48 AM
I got the newest Mos Def album, it's really good.

Illmatic
08-10-2005, 03:25 AM
I got the newest Mos Def album, it's really good.

Which one?

The New Danger?

I thought it was terrible.

Merkaba
08-10-2005, 07:39 AM
Another for the old schoolers....

3rd Bass... The Cactus Album, and Derelicts of Dialect.

God almighty.

popcorndude81
08-10-2005, 09:00 AM
has that guy from RAGE against the machine gone on to do anything, the guy who rapped, he was kool but i doubt hed do so well without the help of morello etc (boo audioslave)

Ganondorf
08-10-2005, 11:55 AM
Which one?

The New Danger?

I thought it was terrible.

Soem tracks are kinda bad but it has loads of good backng music and the guy raps quite well. I prefer it to the Black Star album (blasphemy!)

Illmatic
08-10-2005, 04:43 PM
Soem tracks are kinda bad but it has loads of good backng music and the guy raps quite well. I prefer it to the Black Star album (blasphemy!)

Ugh.

The whole album, IMO, was a pretentious, convoluted mess...I think the lowest point was "The Rape Over".

Black on Both Sides is far superior.

ATM
08-10-2005, 05:00 PM
You guys should all check out Edan if you haven't already.

And after that, the Non Prophets.

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-10-2005, 07:10 PM
New Danger isn't even that bad its better than Talib's Beautiful Struggle. I would call the Rape Over a low point but I don't fully understand the Quasi-Homosexual part does he mean like meterosexuals? How can you be part homosexual? You are or you aren't.

Iai
08-10-2005, 07:18 PM
I interpreted that as an attack on rappers who are always attacking gays - he's saying they're doing it to cover up that they're gay themselves.

Or something.

3rdplanet
08-10-2005, 07:20 PM
You guys should all check out Edan if you haven't already.

And after that, the Non Prophets.

I have Non-Prophets Hope on my PC, fantastic stuff.

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-10-2005, 07:34 PM
I interpreted that as an attack on rappers who are always attacking gays - he's saying they're doing it to cover up that they're gay themselves.

Or something.
That could be who knows, has Mos Def actually said what he ment when he said that? I would think an interviewer might bring that up since every review of the album was just "Rape Over is horrible this is a horrible album." People were too quick to judge that album and the focal point was the Rape Over and they attack it based on a comment that isn't even really clear. Totally ignoring good songs like Ghetto Rock, Sex Love and Money, Sunshine, and Grown Man Business.

Zappa
08-10-2005, 08:40 PM
I think The New Danger is a good album. Have since it came out.

Kaden
08-10-2005, 08:43 PM
I thought the New Danger has a few decent songs, but overall it's just kind of boring to me.

meh, whatever.

Illmatic
08-10-2005, 10:27 PM
The problem with the album is the beats.

Rather, the lack thereof.

Mos Def certainly took a chance when he recruited a live band instead of having a producer lay down beats. He's not the first, however; OutKast as always used a live band (or at least recorded with instruments) on their albums. However, they pulled it off much better than Def does. The "beats" are usually chunky, aimless, and boring, which it makes it tough for me to sit though.

Zappa
08-10-2005, 11:08 PM
I disagree.

Dog
08-10-2005, 11:35 PM
And after that, the Non Prophets.
Hope is fantastic.

Mekkalayakay
08-11-2005, 02:10 AM
New discoveries: Analog Brothers, Atmosphere, Blueprint, Cannibal Ox, Soul Position.

LF96
08-11-2005, 05:43 AM
That could be who knows, has Mos Def actually said what he ment when he said that?
It's a controversial song, it's an attack on the music business:

Listen
Old white men is runnin this rap ****
Corporate force's runnin this rap ****
Setae israli is runnin this rap ****
We poke out the ashes for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap ****
Dro, 'gnac and E-pills is runnin this rap ****

The rape over, turn your face over nigga
No god in disguise it's me, game over
Hey lil souljahs you're ready for more?
But don't ask what you're fighting for
They thought that you sur--vived the gunfight, the drama, the stress
You get in the line of fire we get the big *** cheques
You gettin your choice to pimp
Make your choice and fall in
This is ho stroll B I, take that **** in your behind, Beatch
Hit the streets and perform for us
Hold hard and bring it on to us, ****er
I let you sip, comes an army, get a Mercedes
And kick back and let you pay me, my Mack is crazy
I leave the, knife and fist fight filled with glamour
Yeah, take a picture what this platinum plated sledgehammer
We over-do it add the fire and explosion to it
We're so confused so we run rap music

MTV, is runnin this rap ****
Viacom is runnin this rap ****
AOL and Time Warner runnin this rap ****
We poke out the ashes for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap ****
Hennessey, is runnin this rap ****
Quasi homosexuals is runnin this rap ****

Watch out we run the world

That's it

I kinda liked The New Danger cause it was kind of orriginal. I think you need to be open-minded to other genres to like it tho... :)

Of 1 Blood
08-11-2005, 12:10 PM
So last night I watched "Behind the Music - Notorious BIG", and I was tryly saddened by it. He seemed like such a good guy who didnt want to hurt anyone, and it made Suge Knight look like a snake who was out to get people hurt/killed.

I dont know, maybe it was a bit biased but the way it was presented made it so upsetting that he was killed. It was also upsetting how they had so much evidence to find the murderer, but the LAPD wouldnt let them continue with the case.

BIG's music is awesome too.

Illmatic
08-11-2005, 01:31 PM
Once Biggie scored that record contract, he stopped pushing rocks on the street.

And Suge basically is a snake who is out to kill people. He is one of the most terrifying men in the world.

And yes, the LAPD is like that...I also find it hard to believe that they can't find the guy who shot 2Pac.

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-11-2005, 07:53 PM
It's a controversial song, it's an attack on the music business:

I kinda liked The New Danger cause it was kind of orriginal. I think you need to be open-minded to other genres to like it tho... :)
I know what the song is about I was talking about that one line that everybody attacked him for "quasi homosexuals are running this rap ****" quasi isn't a word you would put in front of homosexuals. How do people know it's a slam against gays? How does anybody but Mos Def know what it actually means?

Happymeal
08-11-2005, 08:07 PM
Soul-Junk. I don't think I've listened to more eclectic material. But then I don't listen to rap regularly either.

Mekkalayakay
08-11-2005, 09:51 PM
So I downloaded Cannibal Ox's Iron Galaxy. Is it supposed sound so screwy with the producing? Parts of it sound like an old, rundown VHS tape. :( Is it supposed to be like that?

LF96
08-12-2005, 11:07 AM
So I downloaded Cannibal Ox's Iron Galaxy. Is it supposed sound so screwy with the producing? Parts of it sound like an old, rundown VHS tape. :( Is it supposed to be like that?
Yes it is. And that song isn't even El-P's weirdest sounding production. I like El-P tho.

hookers_with_herpes
08-12-2005, 11:27 AM
New Danger isn't even that bad its better than Talib's Beautiful Struggle. I would call the Rape Over a low point but I don't full understand the Quasi-Homosexual part does he mean like meterosexuals? How can you be part homosexual? You are or you aren't.

There were at least a couple of songs off Beautiful Struggle that I liked; it was no Reflection Eternal, but that's why I think it was a disappointment. Not necessarily a bad album.

Same with New Danger. I think everyone was expecting another Black on Both Sides, and instead, got Crap on All Sides. I like the idea of the whole bluesy guitar, Black Jack Johnson shiit, but it just came out bad.

Illmatic
08-16-2005, 04:48 PM
So, here's a question that's been bugging me for years:

In "Fight the Power", when Chuck D says, "Music hittin' your heart because I know you got soul", is that (more specifically, the "I know you got soul") some kind of reference/homage to Eric B. and Rakim's "I Know You Got Soul"? Because Chuck D says "sound of the funky drummer" like, one line before that, which I think would be a reference to the drumbeat of James Brown's "Funky Drummer", which has been sampled by just about every rapper.

Iai
08-16-2005, 05:22 PM
Yes.

Chuck famously wrote Rebel Without A Pause because that track scared him. He thought it outclassed PE's entire output (which was just Yo! at this point)

Robert Crumb
08-16-2005, 05:27 PM
Edit: Well, there you go. I was too slow.

Illmatic
08-16-2005, 05:31 PM
Yes.

Chuck famously wrote Rebel Without A Pause because that track scared him. He thought it outclassed PE's entire output (which was just Yo! at this point)

Cool...that's pretty interesting.

Did Chuck D have some kind of rivarly/feud with Rakim, or what? Did they ever meet?

BillCosby
08-16-2005, 05:59 PM
Soul-Junk. I don't think I've listened to more eclectic material. But then I don't listen to rap regularly either.

Weird stuff. Really good though.

Robert Crumb
08-17-2005, 11:20 AM
Did Chuck D have some kind of rivarly/feud with Rakim, or what? Did they ever meet?

I'd think they probably met and thought highly of one another.

Strummerville
08-17-2005, 12:28 PM
I mostly listen to rock but I like a bit of hip/hop too.

I'm a big Nas fan, although I only liked a couple of songs of Streets Disciple. Thiefs Theme, Message To The Feds, Just A Moment, Steets Disciple and Bridging The Gap are the only decent ones I think.

Illmatic and Nastradamus are my favourite Nas albums.

I also like Jay-Z's Black Album and Kanye West.

Some of The Game's tunes are cool too.

hookers_with_herpes
08-17-2005, 12:32 PM
I thought Street's Disciple was a huge disappointment, I don't think I could have come up with that generous-of-a-list for 'decent songs' off that album. ;)
In terms of his albums, I'll say Illmatic>I Am>Nastradamus>Stillmatic>It Was Written>God's Son>Street's Disciple

Strummerville
08-17-2005, 01:33 PM
How would you rate Stillmatic. Haven't heard any of it.

ZEROthirtythree
08-17-2005, 01:34 PM
I can't wait until September 27th.

ZEROthirtythree
08-17-2005, 01:35 PM
How would you rate Stillmatic. Haven't heard any of it.

Easy 9/10. Better than Illmatic.

Kaden
08-17-2005, 01:41 PM
I can't wait until September 27th.
what happens then?

ZEROthirtythree
08-17-2005, 01:47 PM
what happens then?

New Blackalicious album "The Craft" :)

Illmatic
08-17-2005, 02:22 PM
Easy 9/10. Better than Illmatic.

Couldn't disagree more. Illmatic was a perfect album, IMO

Illmatic > Stillmatic > It Was Written > Nastradamus > I Am > God's Son > Street's Disciple

It bears mentioning that I liked all of those except Street's Disciple.

Kaden
08-17-2005, 03:27 PM
New Blackalicious album "The Craft" :)
yessssssssss

The last I heard, it was planned for last May.

DemBonez
08-17-2005, 04:09 PM
Beyond "The World Is Yours", I find Illmatic to be really boring.

Kaden
08-17-2005, 04:12 PM
Beyond "The World Is Yours", I find Illmatic to be really boring.
The only two songs on it that I REALLY like are Life's a Bitch and One Time 4 Your Mind. Other than that, it's only decent imo.

HipHopDontStop
08-17-2005, 04:17 PM
Couldn't disagree more. Illmatic was a perfect album, IMO

Illmatic > Stillmatic > It Was Written > Nastradamus > I Am > God's Son > Street's Disciple

It bears mentioning that I liked all of those except Street's Disciple.


with you all the way there.
actually no i reckon "It Was Written" is better than "Stillmatic".

Dizzee Rascal was mentioned ages ago in this thread: just thort i'd add my 2p's worth, "Boy In Da Corner" is an absolutley awesoem album, but "Showtime" is nowhere near as good. If you like Dizzee's accent, you'll probably like "Final Element", a fresh new rapper from the same area of London, with a similar flow and style to Dizzee, except more underground and a harder accent. :cool:

ATM
08-17-2005, 04:27 PM
I missed the Del show because I had no cash :-/

Jaded
08-17-2005, 06:58 PM
I missed the Del show because I had no cash :-/
Does that show with Hiero and Del include members of Souls of Mischief?

ATM
08-17-2005, 07:10 PM
I think it featured members of Non Phixion.

Zesty Mordant
08-17-2005, 08:18 PM
I got the new Buck 65 album today and I'm kinda let down. Some of the songs are pretty good and he can really nail the folk/country/hip-hop/trip-hop thing to a T. However he tries to jam a little too much of everything into his songs and it comes out kinda awkward, especially the first 4 tracks.

Robert Crumb
08-17-2005, 11:02 PM
New Blackalicious album "The Craft" :)

I heard a song (aready forgot the name... might have been the one Zappa linked to, I don't think that one worked for me, though) at the theatre before the show started yesterday, and I was very impressed on one listen.

Gonna be a huge influx of possibly fantastic hip hop albums coming until the end of the year.. Dangerdoom, Outkast, Little Brother, Blackalicious, new Ghostface is coming soon I think, as well as his collab with MF DOOM, Percee P, Kanye, I think Atmosphere has a new one on the horizon, etc.

Zesty Mordant
08-17-2005, 11:31 PM
Dangerdoom

:confused:

I'm going to assume that thats some kind of collaboration between MF Doom and Danger Mouse.

LF96
08-18-2005, 07:50 AM
Nas albums:

Illmatic: 5/5 (!!) (really, this is one of the best hiphop-albums ever recorded)
It Was Written: 4.5/5
I Am: 3.75/5
Nastradamus: 3.25/5
Stillmatic: 4.25/5
God's Son: 4/5
Street's Disciple: 3/5

Dangerdoom is indeed a collabo between MF Doom and Danger Mouse. It has already leaked on the net, shouldn't be to hard to find. :)

Superstition
08-18-2005, 10:24 AM
Nastradamus > I Am > God's Son > Street's Disciple
:eek:

I've always considered Nastradamus to be Nas' worst. Especially surprised to see it ranked above I Am and God's Son.

Iai
08-18-2005, 12:08 PM
I think Stillmatic = Illmatic for quality, honestly.

The only other one I've heard is God's Son, which is good, but not on the level of those two.

Illmatic
08-18-2005, 05:57 PM
:eek:

I've always considered Nastradamus to be Nas' worst. Especially surprised to see it ranked above I Am and God's Son.

I really liked it...I guess I'm the only one.

dUSK
08-18-2005, 10:43 PM
I really liked it...I guess I'm the only one.

Your not. :)

cicatriz
08-19-2005, 02:58 AM
If you like Dizzee's accent, you'll probably like "Final Element", a fresh new rapper from the same area of London, with a similar flow and style to Dizzee, except more underground and a harder accent.

I'm gonna have to check this guy out. Is there anywhere I can download anything by him from?

LF96
08-19-2005, 05:59 AM
I really liked it...I guess I'm the only one.
Well, the good songs on it are really good but the bad songs on it were really, really bad.
If only Nas had taken the good songs of both I Am and Nastradamus and had made one album he would have had his 2nd best album with that album. Really, imagine this tracklist:

1. Album Intro (the one from I Am)
2. NY State Of Mind Pt.2
3. Life We Chose
4. Small World
5. Project Windows
6. Favor For A Favor
7. Come Get Me
8. Last Words
9. Ghetto Prisoners
10. We Will Survive
11. Nas Is Like
12. Family
13. I Want To Talk To You
14. God Love Us
15. Shoot 'Em Up
16. Undying Love

Robert Crumb
08-19-2005, 12:08 PM
Nas albums:

Illmatic: 5/5 (!!) (really, this is one of the best hiphop-albums ever recorded)
It Was Written: 4.5/5
I Am: 3.75/5
Nastradamus: 3.25/5
Stillmatic: 4.25/5
God's Son: 4/5
Street's Disciple: 3/5


I'd probably pretty much agree with those ratings in general. It Was Written was the the first thing I heard from him, so that's kinda etched into my mind. I never got around to getting Street's Disciple, though.

Kaden
08-19-2005, 02:25 PM
Does anyone know if there are plans for another Latyrx album ever? I thought the first one was AMAZING, but I dunno if it was a one-time project or anything.

Robert Crumb
08-19-2005, 07:15 PM
No plans that I've heard. I don't see why it couldn't happen, though.

TalkingHead
08-19-2005, 07:22 PM
Cool thread.

I reccomend that everyone should give Q-Tip - Kamaal The Abstract a listen. A phenominal record.

I missed the Del show because I had no cash :-/

That blows :upset:

Zappa
08-19-2005, 07:47 PM
Lyrics Born has been recording and releasing solo material, and Lateef is with Chief Xcel in the group Maroons. It doesn't seem like another proper Latyrx album is in the near future.

LF96
08-20-2005, 05:35 AM
Nas albums:

Illmatic: 5/5 (!!) (really, this is one of the best hiphop-albums ever recorded)
It Was Written: 4.5/5
I Am: 3.75/5
Nastradamus: 3.25/5
Stillmatic: 4.25/5
God's Son: 4/5
Street's Disciple: 3/5
Forgot The Lost Tapes, that one's a 4.5/5 as well, but it's slightly better than It Was Written imo.

Lyrics Born has been recording and releasing solo material, and Lateef is with Chief Xcel in the group Maroons. It doesn't seem like another proper Latyrx album is in the near future.
You could see The Last Trumpet as a Latyrx track, and that one's nice. A new Latyrx album would be great.

Kaden
08-20-2005, 11:55 PM
Lyrics Born has been recording and releasing solo material, and Lateef is with Chief Xcel in the group Maroons. It doesn't seem like another proper Latyrx album is in the near future.
That's cool. I like both those projects, but I don't think either one comes anywhere NEAR Latyrx.

The Persian
08-21-2005, 12:25 PM
IMO The Chronic> Enter Wu-Tang >> Illmatic

Illmatic
08-21-2005, 01:53 PM
My ten fave albums:

10. 2001, Dr. Dre
9. Ready to Die, The Notorious B.I.G.
8. Fear of a Black Planet, Public Enemy
7. Paid in Full, Eric B. and Rakim
6. The Chronic, Dr. Dre
5. Straight Outta Compton, N.W.A
4. Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Wu-Tang Clan
3. Me Against the World, 2Pac
2. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy
1. Illmatic, Nas

That was pretty tough...there are about 15-20 other albums I could substitute in there on a whim.

ZEROthirtythree
08-21-2005, 02:00 PM
10. 2001, Dr. Dre

I thought I was the only one who enjoyed that record. Everyone seems to underrate it in my opinion.

Illmatic
08-21-2005, 02:14 PM
I thought I was the only one who enjoyed that record. Everyone seems to underrate it in my opinion.

It was the first, and to date only, new release that I got really excited about.

I was 13 when it came out, waited for months for it to come out. It came out in November '99, on I think a Tuesday or a Wednesday, and after school I ran (yes, ran) all the way to the CD store at the mall (I forget what it's called, I think it was Strawberries, but it's no longer at that mall) to buy it. For a few months it was practically the only album I listened to...I used to know it all word-for-word. I've cooled off on it since then, but listening to it now it's still a damn good album.

LF96
08-22-2005, 05:39 AM
Some of my favourite hiphop-albums (in no particular order):

Nas - Illmatic
Wu-tang Clan - Enter The Wu-tang (36 chambers)
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
Black Star - Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
RJD2 - Deadringer (instrumental, yes, but still hiphop)
Gang Starr - Moment Of Truth
Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation...
Common - Resurrection
The Roots - Do You Want More?!!!??!

Those are the ones I can think of right now.

Iai
08-23-2005, 05:19 PM
1. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions....
2. Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP
3. De La Soul - 3 Feet High & Rising
4. Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
5. Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
6. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
7. Organized Konfusion - self-titled
8. Nas - Illmatic
9. Black Star - Black Star
10. Dead Prez - Let's Get Free

Not including hip-hop-based-but-not-quite-hip-hop acts like DJ Shadow.

That was harder than I thought. Immortal Tech's second album would be in there if it weren't for Obnoxious.

Robert Crumb
08-23-2005, 05:58 PM
Right now, my faves might go...

Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation...
Eric B. and Rakim - Paid in Full
Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
Gang Starr - Daily Operation
Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Wu-tang Clan - Enter The Wu-tang (36 Chambers)
Outkast - Aquemini

In no particular order. Plenty of other notables.

Happymeal
08-23-2005, 06:24 PM
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
Roots Manuva - Brand New Second Hand
Madvillain - Madvillainy
Soul-Junk - 1958
Busdriver - Memoirs of the Elephantman

recently. I just got Be so I'll be listening to that as well

JonM
08-23-2005, 06:38 PM
Busdriver - Memoirs of the Elephantman
Want to upload that for me in the Alt/Indie YSI thread? I'll give you something sweeeeeeeet for it.

Happymeal
08-23-2005, 06:52 PM
Want to upload that for me in the Alt/Indie YSI thread? I'll give you something sweeeeeeeet for it.

It would be better on AIM. It takes me forever to upload on YSI =/

If not I'll try to get it up by tonight.

Jam2Me
08-23-2005, 07:00 PM
Anyone here read the article in Time Magazine? It's all about hip hop, Kanye is on the cover, I'd suggest you all go out and buy it if it's not delivered to your house.

LF96
08-24-2005, 05:27 AM
Can't believe I forgot De La Soul's 3 Feet High And Rising, definitely one of my favourite albums. Stakes Is High and De La Soul Is Dead are really great too tho, I don't know which one I like best. De La Soul is niceness.
Y'all heard their latest album The Grind Date? One of the best albums of 2004 imo.

Illmatic
08-24-2005, 04:01 PM
Anyone here read the article in Time Magazine? It's all about hip hop, Kanye is on the cover, I'd suggest you all go out and buy it if it's not delivered to your house.

I saw that at one of those magazine/book places at Logan Airport, but I opted against buying it for some reason :-\

Zengeance
08-25-2005, 02:19 AM
Here is a rough estimate of my favorites.

1) Cannibal Ox - Cold Vein
2) Dead Prez - Lets Get Free
3) Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
4) Mr Lif - Emergency Rations (EP)
5) Nas - Illmatic
6) A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory
7) The Roots - Things Fall Apart
8) Method Man - Tical
9) Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx?
10)Mobb Deep - Imfamous

Superstition
08-25-2005, 10:05 AM
Thumbs-up to Kanye for being the first rapper ever to get the cover of Time. :thumb: Late Registration is brilliant, a contender for best of the year.

Zesty Mordant
08-25-2005, 10:04 PM
my top 10 would be as follows:

1) Blackalicious- Blazing Arrow
2) The Roots- Phrenology
3) Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique
4) Tha Alkaholiks- Likwidation
5) Wu-Tang Clan- 36 Chambers
6) Aesop Rock- Labor Days
7) Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek- Reflection Eternal
8) Wyclef Jean- The Carnival
9) Common- Resurrection
10) Murs- 3:16- The 9th Edition

Sam
08-25-2005, 10:06 PM
4) De La Soul-3 Feet High And Rising


I saw Del + Heiroglyphics in concert, but Del only did 4 songs :upset:

The rest of the time he was doing the robot, playing gameboy, or drinking vitamin water.

Ganondorf
08-26-2005, 02:34 AM
hmm I don't have too much rap, my favourites are

Outkast - Aquemini
Mos Def - The New Danger
Black Star - Is Mos Def and Talib Kweli
Kanye West - The College Dropout
The Roots - Illedelphia Half Life

I also borrowed The Game - The Documentary from the library yesterday, it's pretty good. I'll be getting Streets Disciple next.

Mekkalayakay
08-27-2005, 01:33 AM
Just bought MF Doom's Mm Food and Quasimoto's I forget the title but it has Lord Quas in it. <3 :cool:

Quasimoto's is going to have to grow on me, but MM Food is tight.

DemBonez
08-27-2005, 05:45 PM
My top 10.

1. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
2. Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030
3. Brand Nubian - One For All
4. Afrika Bambaataa - Planet Rock
5. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
6. Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
7. M.C. Lyte - Lyte As A Rock
8. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message
9. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Mecca & The Soul Brother
10. Eric B. & Rakim - Let The Rhythm Hit 'em

logain
08-27-2005, 06:23 PM
if anyone has lord infamous, south park mexican, ganksta NIP, 5th ward boyz, or any other old school underground/not so mainstream full rap albums instant message me on aim

cholerist

Iai
08-30-2005, 05:18 AM
my top 10 would be as follows:

8) Wyclef Jean- The Carnival
That's the only Clef album I haven't got. How's it compare to his later stuff? Especially The Elcleftic, because that's a minor masterpiece in my eyes.

Wannabebassplayer
08-30-2005, 09:17 AM
Anyone got Kanye Wests new album yet? I just got it, and tbh I dont think it is as good as his first. I love Gold Digger though - really catchy song.

Endless Obsession
08-30-2005, 01:39 PM
I thought I was the only one who enjoyed that record. Everyone seems to underrate it in my opinion.

Haha I remember when that came out and Dre had his face in the bag of weed, i was only like 10 or 11 and I had no clue what it was. Then I realized and realized it was aweosme.

Iai
08-30-2005, 02:37 PM
I used to loop Xplosive for hours.

Kaden
08-30-2005, 04:30 PM
Anyone got Kanye Wests new album yet? I just got it, and tbh I dont think it is as good as his first. I love Gold Digger though - really catchy song.
I agree. I think the College Dropout was better overall.

Not to say anything bad about the new one, I like it alot.

hafez
08-30-2005, 07:01 PM
i'm looking forward to seeing sole and sage francis live in two months. that's all i have to say to this thread

Ledmetalicbeatle
08-30-2005, 07:59 PM
i'm looking forward to seeing sole and sage francis live in two months. that's all i have to say to this thread
The Sage is dope

hookers_with_herpes
08-30-2005, 09:37 PM
The Sage is dope

I agree 150%

Ganondorf
08-31-2005, 02:49 AM
Anyone heard the song K-OS - The Man I Used To Be?

LF96
08-31-2005, 04:30 AM
The Sage is dope
Sole is wackness tho.

3rdplanet
08-31-2005, 05:04 AM
Sage is pretty darn good, friend got me hooked.

Anyone heard the song K-OS - The Man I Used To Be?

That track owns.

Does anyone like P.O.S?

logain
08-31-2005, 11:33 AM
probably not going to happen but if anyone has any lord infamous, black rhino, south park mexican, 5th ward boyz, or ganksta NIP please message me at cholerist over aim.

Ganondorf
08-31-2005, 12:58 PM
The Game - Start from Scratch is an awesome song, get it :)

ATM
08-31-2005, 04:38 PM
Sage is pretty darn good, friend got me hooked.



That track owns.

Does anyone like P.O.S?

Sage is indeed great. What album(s) do you have?

Ganondorf
09-01-2005, 04:32 AM
Im ready to die
Without a reasonable doubt
Smoke chronic and hit it
Doggy style before i go out
Until they sign my death certificate
All eyez on me
Im still at it, illmatic
And thats THE DOCUMENTARY

LF96
09-01-2005, 08:06 AM
Anyone heard the song K-OS - The Man I Used To Be?
Just saw it on television, nice video (except for the end). The song itself is nice, but I think K-Os has better songs (The Love Song for example). :)

3rdplanet
09-01-2005, 10:56 AM
Sage is indeed great. What album(s) do you have?

I only have A Healthy Distrust but I really like it.

Ganondorf
09-03-2005, 03:29 PM
http://www.silverstreetz.com/

The song 'Ride; on there is pretty good

b0mbs_of_death
09-03-2005, 03:35 PM
That Non-Prophets record is the best Sage record in my opinion.

Check out One Be Lo too.

ATM
09-03-2005, 03:37 PM
I think A Healthy Distrust is better then the Non Prophets album, but that's just me.

Ledmetalicbeatle
09-03-2005, 06:14 PM
I think A Healthy Distrust is better then the Non Prophets album, but that's just me.
1. Personal Journals
2. Healthy Distrust
3. Hope
I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.

Zesty Mordant
09-03-2005, 09:02 PM
That's the only Clef album I haven't got. How's it compare to his later stuff? Especially The Elcleftic, because that's a minor masterpiece in my eyes.

In all honesty I haven't really heard much of his other material other than bits and pieces of the Ecleftic (which I like and hope to eventually get), but the Carnival is definately a very well done album in my opinion. There's plenty of variety in terms of genres and sounds, the songwritings top-notch and the production is pretty even. My only beef with it is the abundance of skits and interludes.

DemBonez
09-04-2005, 08:46 AM
I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.

I just find him really annoying and boring.

ATM
09-04-2005, 09:02 AM
I just find him really annoying and boring.

To each is own.

I just popped in the new Kanye West. It's not bad so far, but not great.

logain
09-04-2005, 01:47 PM
anyone have any gangsta boo?

snidget
09-04-2005, 04:42 PM
The new Blackalicious is so god****ed good.
http://box.net/public/snidget/files/652532.html

MF Doom, Def Jux artists ('specially Aesop), Blackalicious, Busdriver, and early Beasties are among the only artists saving Rap from being complete ****

~Thuge Life~
09-04-2005, 06:51 PM
I like listenin to biggie, 2Pac, Slim, Snoop, Dre, people like that.

Pierre Trudeau
09-04-2005, 07:51 PM
Kanye knew what he was talking about on the fundraiser :chug:

LATE REGISTRATION nuccas

Kaden
09-04-2005, 08:20 PM
The new Blackalicious is so god****ed good.
http://box.net/public/snidget/files/652532.html

MF Doom, Def Jux artists ('specially Aesop), Blackalicious, Busdriver, and early Beasties are among the only artists saving Rap from being complete ****
THANK YOU for posting that upload.

You're my hero.

snidget
09-05-2005, 06:55 AM
THANK YOU for posting that upload.

You're my hero.

I actually have been whoring that everywhere, as people seem to miss it, and I think everyone should have it. It seriously gives Blazing Arrow a run as his best album.

Robert Crumb
09-05-2005, 12:29 PM
I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.

I don't like him not because he's a white kid from Rhode Island. I don't like him because I don't like his flow, although I'm really not sure why. Something about it rubs me the wrong way. But he's a good lyricist, maybe a better poet than an MC in my opinion. If that makes any sense.

I got Late Reg. now and at first glance I'm thinking my prediction back on page one was nearly accurate.

Although it was the most obvious prediction ever.

Ledmetalicbeatle
09-05-2005, 03:42 PM
I don't like him not because he's a white kid from Rhode Island. I don't like him because I don't like his flow, although I'm really not sure why. Something about it rubs me the wrong way. But he's a good lyricist, maybe a better poet than an MC in my opinion. If that makes any sense.

I got Late Reg. now and at first glance I'm thinking my prediction back on page one was nearly accurate.

Although it was the most obvious prediction ever.
I don't mind that people don't like him I've just read stuff were they don't even care about the music its like "oh its a fat vegitrain guy from rhode island he's not hip hop" It's stupid that hip hop has to be a black kind of music(like rock wasn't back in the 50s) and there are even black MCs who come from nice neighborhoods.

ATM
09-05-2005, 04:03 PM
So can anyone explain to me the deal with MF Doom? What other names does he go by, etc?

Bartender
09-05-2005, 04:28 PM
Rap/hip hop is an area of music I've pretty much always listened to (since i listened to music at all, I mean), and yet the one area of my music collection I'm constantly disappointed in. I'm trying to rectify that, though.

Incidentally, is there any love here for the King Geedorah album? I picked it up recently, and enjoyed the hell out of it straight off.


So can anyone explain to me the deal with MF Doom? What other names does he go by, etc?

I'm curious about that as well. I get confused; after a while I thought I had all his various aliases, and then I started to think that maybe I was accidentally including people that weren't him, too.

Robert Crumb
09-05-2005, 04:39 PM
MF DOOM is also:

Zev Love X (his first name from when he was part of the duo KMD)
Viktor Vaughn (He's released two albums under this name)
DOOM of course
King Geedorah
One half of Madvillian (Madlib being the other half)
Metal Fingers (He releases various instrumental albums uner this moniker)
and now he's one half of Dangerdoom (with Danger Mouse)

He is not to be confused with Dr. Dooom, which is an alias of Kool Keith.

ATM
09-05-2005, 04:41 PM
Does he rap in different voices/styles under different names?

Robert Crumb
09-05-2005, 04:48 PM
Not really. I mean you'll recognize it's him on pretty much any album, just some times he runs stronger with different themes depending on the name he uses. At least that's what I find. He really gets into the persona, but you'll know it's him.

ATM
09-05-2005, 04:51 PM
I only have Mmm..Food. I need to look into some more, because I really enjoy that album.

Bartender
09-05-2005, 05:24 PM
He keeps making guest appearances on his own album as other personas. The King Geedorah album has a couple of track listed as "feat. MF Doom", and Viktor Vaughn turns up on Madvillainy, for example. It confuses me so.

Lord Quas is on the Madvillain album too, which doesn't help.

Kaden
09-05-2005, 05:48 PM
I actually have been whoring that everywhere, as people seem to miss it, and I think everyone should have it. It seriously gives Blazing Arrow a run as his best album.
I don't think it's as good as Blazing Arrow at all, but it's definitely miles ahead of Nia, and an amazing album in general.

Despite the fact that the songs themselves don't compare to Blazing Arrow, his rapping is more flawless than it's ever been. Like in the song Your Move, does he even pause once? I don't think so. So relentless.

Zesty Mordant
09-05-2005, 08:41 PM
Lord Quas is on the Madvillain album too, which doesn't help.

yeah, Madlib does a similar thing too. In addition to himself there's also lootpack, quasimoto (lord quas), jaylib, yesterday's new quintent and more I'm sure.

LF96
09-06-2005, 09:21 AM
I don't think it's as good as Blazing Arrow at all, but it's definitely miles ahead of Nia, and an amazing album in general.

Despite the fact that the songs themselves don't compare to Blazing Arrow, his rapping is more flawless than it's ever been. Like in the song Your Move, does he even pause once? I don't think so. So relentless.
IMO, The Craft is the least good Blackalicious album up to date. That doesn't mean anything bad tho, cause both NIA and Blazing Arrow are classic to me. After the first few listenings I think I'd rate it around 4.25/5 or something.

DemBonez
09-06-2005, 10:11 AM
The Craft is probably Gab's best work so far. "Your Move" is the only track I find him less than stellar (he's rather monotone and lifeless). As much as I love his rapping, Blackalicious lives and dies by Chief Xcel's hands (I say). I like the beats on The Craft morre than Blazing Arrow, but the personality that Arrow had was just untouchable. The first 6 tracks and the last 4 tracks of Arrow are flawless. Craft is good, just doesn't give me the same impression Arrow did.

NIA is the worst Blackalicious album in my opinion.

Ledmetalicbeatle
09-06-2005, 02:52 PM
Not really. I mean you'll recognize it's him on pretty much any album, just some times he runs stronger with different themes depending on the name he uses. At least that's what I find. He really gets into the persona, but you'll know it's him.
he sounds different in KMD though

b0mbs_of_death
09-06-2005, 03:39 PM
he sounds different in KMD though
I think Doom was 18 when Mr. Hood came out too. The whole Doom persona came from the death of his brother SubRoc. Plus if he records under other aliases, he get's to put out records on other labels. I mean he does all his Metal Fingers stuff on his own imprint, but his other records have been on SubVerse, Natures Sound, Stones Throw, Big Dada, Epitaph and now Rhymesayers. Quas is just 'Libs other persona. Apparenly Madlib hates his voice recorded, which is kinda crazy cause he kills it on some of the Lootpack ****.

Sage Francis reminds me of a hardcore kid that was a poetry nerd. I think some of the Fugazi and Minor Threat references might back me up. I dunno, I was kinda into the preachy hardcore scene of the mid 90's and I just don't need to be preached at at a show since 95% of the time, you are preachin to the converted. I think some of the beats on a healthy distrust were just eh. That's probably why I liked the non prophets record just because the beats were better produced.

Call me crazy.

Kaden
09-06-2005, 04:41 PM
The Craft is probably Gab's best work so far. "Your Move" is the only track I find him less than stellar (he's rather monotone and lifeless). As much as I love his rapping, Blackalicious lives and dies by Chief Xcel's hands (I say). I like the beats on The Craft morre than Blazing Arrow, but the personality that Arrow had was just untouchable. The first 6 tracks and the last 4 tracks of Arrow are flawless. Craft is good, just doesn't give me the same impression Arrow did.

NIA is the worst Blackalicious album in my opinion.
I agree with everything you just said.

Ledmetalicbeatle
09-06-2005, 08:31 PM
Sage Francis reminds me of a hardcore kid that was a poetry nerd. I think some of the Fugazi and Minor Threat references might back me up. I dunno, I was kinda into the preachy hardcore scene of the mid 90's and I just don't need to be preached at at a show since 95% of the time, you are preachin to the converted. I think some of the beats on a healthy distrust were just eh. That's probably why I liked the non prophets record just because the beats were better produced.

Call me crazy.
"I go to fugazi shows and request minor threat songs"

he did use to wear denim vest with a metallica patch on the back at freestyle shows.

King_Karl
09-07-2005, 10:12 AM
I picked up 2 albums today that i've been meaning to get for a while, they were both in a sale for £5 each!
Dr Dre - The Chronic
Snoop - Doggystle
I totally reccomend these albums to anyone interested in either artist, they are pretty great.

Glitterati
09-08-2005, 06:05 PM
'sup thread.

A Tribe Called Quest is one of my favorites right now, I think they were great.

Happymeal
09-08-2005, 06:15 PM
Madlib's Shades of Blue is just really coool.

enjoimx
09-08-2005, 06:36 PM
i dont really listen to rap much but some good rappers i listen to/ would reccomend are

del the funkee homosapien ( the rest of the hiero crew too)
acelone ( sp?)
gang starr
lootpack
jurassic 5

yeah youve probably never heard of em, but they are really good, i really like dell. thats all of em i can remember now, but check em out.

edit, yeah a tribe called quest are good as well

Bartender
09-08-2005, 07:01 PM
acelone ( sp?)


Do you mean Aceyalone? I just listened to Haiku D'Etat's self-titled for the first and second time a week or so ago, and it was disappointing.

Futuro
09-08-2005, 08:32 PM
Snoop - Doggystle :shifty: not a fan of that album :)

Dr Dre - The Chronic haha one of my all time favs :)

are the roots considered rap? they are one of my favorite ...rap...bands...? any way i like em alot. :p

Illmatic
09-08-2005, 10:49 PM
:shifty: not a fan of that album :)

haha one of my all time favs :)

are the roots considered rap? they are one of my favorite ...rap...bands...? any way i like em alot. :p

The Roots had three great albums in a row, then went and released Phrenology and The Tipping Point

LF96
09-09-2005, 09:37 AM
The Roots had three great albums in a row, then went and released Phrenology and The Tipping Point
Phrenology is quite good, and so is The Tipping Point (although it's obvious that it's The Roots' least good effort). I really don't see why the latter is hated on here, it's a killer lyrically.

Illmatic
09-09-2005, 01:58 PM
Phrenology is quite good, and so is The Tipping Point (although it's obvious that it's The Roots' least good effort). I really don't see why the latter is hated on here, it's a killer lyrically.

Yeah, but both albums as a whole are just lackluster and blah...and the only songs that stick off of either are "Web" and "The Seed 2.0"

DemBonez
09-09-2005, 02:55 PM
The Roots have never had an all out amazing album. They usually have really good tracks coupled with decent tracks (which reminds me of Bob Marley a ton). Do You Want More?!!!??! is my least favorite of them, and Things Fall Apart is my favorite. Everything else is ranked about the same, with possibly Phrenology the better album out of that bunch. You can't go wrong with any of their albums.

Happymeal
09-09-2005, 03:22 PM
I'm recently in love with Kool Keith's voice. It's so sexy.

DemBonez
09-09-2005, 03:28 PM
Your avatar is infinitely times better than anything

Happymeal
09-09-2005, 05:16 PM
Thank you very much.

LF96
09-10-2005, 04:53 AM
Yeah, but both albums as a whole are just lackluster and blah...and the only songs that stick off of either are "Web" and "The Seed 2.0"
"Star", "Water" and "Boom!" are not to be forgotten imo.
I think Do You Want More?!!!??!, Illadelph Halflife and Things Fall Apart are all classic tho.

Glass Onion
09-10-2005, 06:14 AM
Hey don't mean to hijack your discussion here but I need help. I've started listening to abit of hip-hop recently and I remember this rap vid i saw awhile ago. I think it was by a guy called K-os and he was walking around and had alot of people wearing masks which I thought resembled Crabs in some way or another. It had a kind've swingy Jazzy feal to it. Anyone know what track I'm talking about?

EDIT: Okies just found the album only, The song was Crabbucket. So yeh....I'm pretty much new to this whole Rap and Hip-hop thing. Recomend me some that isn't Gangsta rap. Thank you :thumb:

Eli
09-10-2005, 08:00 AM
Does anyone like Haiku D'Etat? I think if anyone's heard Busdriver and hasn't heard these guys they should! They mix it all up just like Busdriver does, their "coup de theatre" album's great.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fk.weatherstone/08-haiku_detat-poetry_takeover-ftd.mp3

there's a song!

ATM
09-10-2005, 10:09 AM
Any Edan fans?

Bartender
09-10-2005, 10:22 AM
I have a couple of songs by Edan, that I got from you, I think. They're good, if I remember correctly, but they're on my other (University) computer, so I haven't been listening to them much for a long while now.

ATM
09-10-2005, 10:29 AM
:eek:

I was just sent a DJ Qbert album. This is seriously amazing.

Ledmetalicbeatle
09-10-2005, 04:36 PM
:eek:

I was just sent a DJ Qbert album. This is seriously amazing.
I saw him live he is amazing fast, I just can't get into DJs though. I never tried and don't know a lot about it but it just seems like it doesn't involve any talent I could be and probably am wrong. Also does anybody know why he just uses one turntable instead of two?

Kayetan
09-10-2005, 04:58 PM
Anybody else like Common? "Be" is really good, imo.

left
09-10-2005, 05:04 PM
i always liked 7L&Esoteric among many other rap artists.

oh, and if you think that Busta Rhymes or Twista are the fastest mc's in the hip hop world, you should ask me to send you a song from a Romanian band, called R.A.C.L.A (in aproximative translation that means coffin) I tell you guys, i couldnt believe what i was hearing while playing the song. Absolutley amazing. Then i saw them live play it and i was stunned ever since.

yahoo id if anybody is interested : missanntrophe (just leave a message that you are from this forum so i know)

Kayetan
09-10-2005, 05:06 PM
Bus Driver is pretty fast or something

*doesn't know much about rap*

enjoimx
09-10-2005, 08:14 PM
yes busdriver, and all of them, i heard all of these guys on the thps games, lol. but they are good.

The Persian
09-10-2005, 08:28 PM
Tech N9ne anyone?

MattMan999
09-10-2005, 10:50 PM
Does anyone here like 50 cent or Eminem?

Leftover Jello
09-10-2005, 11:29 PM
Anybody else like Common? "Be" is really good, imo.

I saw Common about a week ago, and he was pretty cool. I liked it when he got people break dancing on the stage, and then he was breaking himself. He also got Talib Kweli (who wasn't as good by himself) to come rap with him. I don't have any of his albums, but I might pick one up sometime. I guess I might try and get "Be" if you say it is good.

Glitterati
09-11-2005, 09:48 AM
Does anyone here like 50 cent or Eminem?

1. No.
2. I used to, but not anymore.

Kayetan
09-11-2005, 11:17 AM
Does anyone here like 50 cent or Eminem?
I despise 50 cent. His lyrics are completely worthless and the musical parts of his songs are shit aswell. And Eminem is just annoying and not too great.

Kayetan
09-11-2005, 11:18 AM
I saw Common about a week ago, and he was pretty cool. I liked it when he got people break dancing on the stage, and then he was breaking himself. He also got Talib Kweli (who wasn't as good by himself) to come rap with him. I don't have any of his albums, but I might pick one up sometime. I guess I might try and get "Be" if you say it is good.
I'd upload it YSI.com for you, but that's kind of illegal in MX now.

LF96
09-11-2005, 12:55 PM
I saw Common about a week ago, and he was pretty cool. I liked it when he got people break dancing on the stage, and then he was breaking himself. He also got Talib Kweli (who wasn't as good by himself) to come rap with him. I don't have any of his albums, but I might pick one up sometime. I guess I might try and get "Be" if you say it is good.
Get Resurrection, it's way better than Be. Both the production and the lyrics are better on that album, in particular the production. :)

Robert Crumb
09-11-2005, 01:11 PM
Any Zion-I fans out there? Wanna recommend me an album?

Iai
09-11-2005, 04:02 PM
I think the production on Resurrection almost ruins what should have been a stone cold classic, personally.

ATM
09-11-2005, 05:07 PM
Any Zion-I fans out there? Wanna recommend me an album?

I'm a Zion-I fan, but don't have any albums.

Delay Pedal Boy
09-11-2005, 05:09 PM
Deltron 3030 is highly recommended.

LF96
09-12-2005, 10:00 AM
I think the production on Resurrection almost ruins what should have been a stone cold classic, personally.
Hmm, to each his own I guess, but to me that production is just lovely, while the production on let's say Go! and Testify just make me fall asleep.

As for Zion-I, I only heard True & Livin (their newest) and it's very good, recommended. I've also heard some people say it's their best, so I suggest you'd check it out.

Kurtz
09-13-2005, 09:30 PM
A local rap station here played Tupac literally all day :cool:

Anybody else remember that it was his anniversary?

Robert Crumb
09-13-2005, 11:39 PM
As for Zion-I, I only heard True & Livin (their newest) and it's very good, recommended. I've also heard some people say it's their best, so I suggest you'd check it out.

Cool, I'll give it a shot. Heard some of his stuff before, don't think I really gave his stuff a proper chance.

MoMoney3000
09-15-2005, 09:10 AM
What I've been listening to recently: In Alphabetical order. :p

Aesop Rock
Beatnuts
Big Daddy Kane
Black Sheep
Blackstar
Common
Deltron 3030
Dizzee Rascal
Eminem (Marshall Mathers LP)
Erik B. & Rakim
King Geedorah
Kwame Boy Genius
Lords of the Underground
Madvillain
Mf Doom
Mos Def
early Nas
Organized Konfusion
Quasimoto
Stereo Mc's
Tag Tea
Ultramagnetic Mc's
Viktor Vaughn

have u ever heared of latin king?

Glitterati
09-21-2005, 06:24 PM
Hey don't mean to hijack your discussion here but I need help. I've started listening to abit of hip-hop recently and I remember this rap vid i saw awhile ago. I think it was by a guy called K-os and he was walking around and had alot of people wearing masks which I thought resembled Crabs in some way or another. It had a kind've swingy Jazzy feal to it. Anyone know what track I'm talking about?

EDIT: Okies just found the album only, The song was Crabbucket. So yeh....I'm pretty much new to this whole Rap and Hip-hop thing. Recomend me some that isn't Gangsta rap. Thank you :thumb:

That's a great song. I like K-os.

Interstate
09-23-2005, 08:07 AM
Downloaded Revolutionary Vol. 2 by Immortal Technique the other day, very, very good album.

d-1
09-23-2005, 05:36 PM
Rap is horible rock is good

Zappa
09-23-2005, 06:01 PM
Rap is horible rock is good

Read the rules and you'll know why I banned you.

ZEROthirtythree
09-23-2005, 08:44 PM
New Blackalicious in 4 days!!!!

gaslight
09-24-2005, 05:16 AM
Does anyone know if there will be a new Jehst release anytime soon?

Deconstruction
09-24-2005, 07:26 PM
Does anybody have the Tupac: Resurrection Soundtrack and the track Thugz Mansion?

Illmatic
09-24-2005, 07:30 PM
I've tried to ignore all of Pac's posthumous material...I don't think it's right that the rap industry keeps digging up his corpse to make it dance for money.

gaslight
09-24-2005, 09:30 PM
Also, has anyone heard TZU?

Deconstruction
09-24-2005, 10:02 PM
Most of his posthumous singles have been pretty awful in comparison to what he released while he was alive. Which would lead me to believe there's no chance he could ever be alive, as no living person could enjoy such a memory-raping.
Do you have any of his albums you are willing to trade?

Jaded
09-25-2005, 05:51 PM
Just got Illmatic, and I'm pretty impressed.

Jaded
09-25-2005, 06:03 PM
Anyobdy here like Blueprint?

ZEROthirtythree
09-25-2005, 09:25 PM
the track Thugz Mansion?

I have that

gaslight
09-26-2005, 01:51 AM
Also, have any of guys heard of Paso Bionic? He is a DJ/turntablist from Australia who has done work with Curse Ov Dialect and TZU, as well as releasing a solo instrumental album called Empty Beats For Lonely Rappers.

Good stuff :).

Happymeal
09-26-2005, 03:07 PM
Antipop Consortium are a groovy ass group.

donkeyropedope
09-28-2005, 03:59 PM
Anyobdy here like Blueprint?
Yeah he is not bad. I like some of his production and he is brilliant on the mic on the Soul Position LP and EP.

Kaden
09-29-2005, 04:42 PM
Since this is a thread about rap and all, I have to ask about something I hear in tons of rap songs.


What exactly is a shorty?

donkeyropedope
09-29-2005, 04:50 PM
Since this is a thread about rap and all, I have to ask about something I hear in tons of rap songs.


What exactly is a shorty?
its a slang for baby

SantaDuJuan
09-29-2005, 05:43 PM
I'm sure this has all ready been asked maybe.
But uh, I'm really getting into that new Common song.
My question is, what other Common albums should I download?
And what other artists sound like him?
(and albums to download from them)

LF96
09-30-2005, 10:12 AM
Common is a really consistent mc, he has imo never put out a bad album. His best are:
- Resurrection (very jazzy production and common at the top of his game lyrically)
- One Day It'll All Make Sense (somewhat less good than Resurrection but still very nice, G.O.D. & Retrospect For Life alone already make it worth the download/purchase)
I'am assuming you already have Be, if not, download that too. Everything I've heard from Like Water For Chocolate is great too, but I haven't heard the full album. Electric Circus is pretty experimental, but it's nice, it grows on you. I can't tell you anything about his debut because I haven't heard it yet.
Anyway, bands/artists which sound like Common:
- Black Star (they only have one album, so download that one, it's a classic)
- Mos Def - Black On Both Sides (debut from one half of Black Star)
- Reflection Eternal - Train Of Thought (collaboration between the other half of Black Star (Talib Kweli) and producer Hi-Tek)
- The Roots - Do You Want More?!!!??! , Illadelph Halflife & Things Fall Apart (yes indeed, 3 albums, all three are greatness and I'd call them all classic)

I hope you were helped with this :)

Jam2Me
09-30-2005, 12:19 PM
The Roots inked a deal with Def Jam. Holla!

Ganondorf
09-30-2005, 01:12 PM
Don't Say Nuthin'

Kaden
09-30-2005, 03:02 PM
its a slang for baby
Like, a literal baby? That doesn't seem to make sense in every context. It makes sense in songs like Gold Digger, but take One time 4 Your Mind by Nas: "Send a shorty from your block to the store for phillies". eh? eh?