NBA : Biggest Trade Ever

[Endless Obsession]

Miami - Antoine Walker (Boston)
Jason Williams (Memphis
Andre Emmit (Memphis)
Roberto Duenas (Memphis)
James Posey (Memphis

Utah - Greg Ostertag (Memphis)

Boston - Curtis Borchardt (Utah)
Qyntel Woods (Miami)
Albert Miralles (Miami)
Two 2nd Rnd. Draft Picks (Miami)
Cash (Miami)

New Orleans - Rasual Butler (Miami)
Kirk Snyder (Utah)

Memphis - Eddie Jones (Heat)
Raul Lopez (Utah)


Winner? Obviously Miami. Loser? Memphis. This will really help Miami, and this could be what they needed to win a championship.

PG - Jason Williams (assuming Damon Jones becomes a FA)
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - Antwoine Walker (or Posey)
PF - Udonis Haslem (or Walker)
C - Shaq


So who does everyone else think was the loser and winner of this trade?

[MattMan999]

Def. Miami.......the 2 draft picks will also become handy next season.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think James Posey is probably the most important player in this trade. Now Miami has a starting capable backup that can play both forward spots.

[Illmatic]

Jason Williams and Antoine Walker?

Ewwwww.

Bad trade for Miami...bad trade for everyone, really.

[Guitar_fool202]

Jason Williams and Antoine Walker?

Ewwwww.

Bad trade for Miami...bad trade for everyone, really.

Please explain why? Why would that combo of walker and williams not work?

I do believe the miami did win but boston didnt lose also utah didnt get much. :upset:

[Illmatic]

Have you ever seen Antoine Walker and Jason Williams play?

Is there one good reason why you need two guys who have a compulsive need to shoot every time they touch the ball? How in the name of God are those two going to mesh on a team with Shaq and Wade? Why do the Heat need them?

[Against Miik!]

This is not the biggest trade ever. It lacks any superstars. In amount of players it pretty big.

[Guitar_fool202]

Why do the Heat need them?

I do believe if the heats offence just gives the ball to shaq and wade is his only outlet i believe that the defence would be able to tell who hes gonna give the ball too if hes double teamed. so if the heat has more then one outlet to get the ball too hopefully they can score more points.

[Endless Obsession]

This is not the biggest trade ever. It lacks any superstars. In amount of players it pretty big.

Yeah thats what I meant. 13.

[Illmatic]

I do believe if the heats offence just gives the ball to shaq and wade is his only outlet i believe that the defence would be able to tell who hes gonna give the ball too if hes double teamed. so if the heat has more then one outlet to get the ball too hopefully they can score more points.

So they need to surround Wade and Shaq with good role players, not headaches like Antoine and Jason Williams who have poor shot selection and get bitchy when they don't get the ball enough.

[Endless Obsession]

So they need to surround Wade and Shaq with good role players, not headaches like Antoine and Jason Williams who have poor shot selection and get bitchy when they don't get the ball enough.

James Posey is a pretty good role player. Plus its not like they gave anything up. And two 2nd round draft picks is great. Plus Antoine Walker and Jason Williams are good talents none the less.

[Illmatic]

*^Y&(&*)*(&

No team with Antoine Walker and/or Jason Williams will ever win an NBA championship. Ever.

[402unearthly402]

*^Y&(&*)*(&

No team with Antoine Walker and/or Jason Williams will ever win an NBA championship. Ever.
untrue

[Illmatic]

untrue

:lol:

Then you don't know how the NBA works.

[402unearthly402]

:lol:

Then you don't know how the NBA works.
teams line up and accumulate the most points as possible, teams with the most points win

i dont believe that walker and william will have the same problems they had with there other teams, they have more leadership now in shaq

[Illmatic]

They still can't shoot or play defense.

[402unearthly402]

They still can't shoot or play defense.
it wont be there job to score all the points but you cant deny the fact that walker is a potent offensive player...the heat has a team have enough TEAM deffense to win a championship even with walker on the floor, even though it his a weakness of his

[Illmatic]

Walker is a potent offensive player?

Listen pal, I watched him for seven, eight seasons with the Celtics. He thinks he's Magic Johnson. He's a danger to any structured offense.

[402unearthly402]

Walker is a potent offensive player?

Listen pal, I watched him for seven, eight seasons with the Celtics. He thinks he's Magic Johnson. He's a danger to any structured offense.
he is not playing for the celtics now, shaq and the rest of the team will not allow it and he isnt the biggest ego and the team now so he wont try to win everygame for them

[Illmatic]

He isn't the biggest ego?

Are you kidding me?

[402unearthly402]

He isn't the biggest ego?

Are you kidding me?
well im fairly sure he understand that shaq is more important to the team than he is, in boston he had to score points for the offense he doesnt here and i bet he knows this...plus he is older and more mature...i think he will be to the celtics what robert horry was for the lakers

[Illmatic]

Do you even understand what you're writing? No way in hell is he mature, and no way in hell is he going to be like Robert Horry. Have you watched him play? Ever?

[JohnXDoe]

Miami should go to the Finals next season with that line up. They have Wade and Shaq, and those are the main guys. They will make Willams a better player, as will Coach Van Gundy and Pat Riley. The loss of Jones will be felt at times, but all in all they can do without him.

I'm one who believes if Wade didn't get hurt in the Conference Finals last season they would of won the whole thing. The wrong team went, so the wrong team won. All due respect to Detroit and San Antonio. I had no doubt they would be in a position to go once again this coming season. And now that opinion is just strengthend. With Wade, Shaq, and Willams out on the floor, it's going to be an exciting time in Miami. And look for Willams to perhaps become the point guard people used to think he could be. It should be fun to watch.


EDIT: I didn't get that Miami got Walker, too. That's it. Miami wins in the East. I don't care who Willams and Walker were before. The Heat are a good organazation that won't tolerate nonsense. You may be looking at the new Lakers of the East. As the Lakers were during there last Championship seasons.

[Illmatic]

I can't believe what I'm reading.

I get the feeling I'm the only person here who has actually sat down and seen Antoine Walker play on a consistent basis.

[Endless Obsession]

I get the feeling I'm the only person here who has actually sat down and seen Antoine Walker play on a consistent basis.

You probobly are.

[Illmatic]

By the way, don't say garbage like "Stan Van Gundy will straighten him out!"

Let's not kid ourselves here, he's not like Bill Belichick or anything.

[JohnXDoe]

By the way, don't say garbage like "Stan Van Gundy will straighten him out!"

Let's not kid ourselves here, he's not like Bill Belichick or anything.


But he's a solid no nonsense coach who is growing well with the organization and is well repspected by his players and staff. And in the league as well. PLus he has coach Riley standing behind him and steering the ship. It's a winning combo on the floor and off. Miami just got richer off this deal. And I think Pat Riley is turning into one hell of a General Manager.

[Illmatic]

I still can't believe you think that Jason Williams and Antoine Walker, two guys who have driven teammates and coaches up the wall, are the missing pieces to Miami's championship puzzle.

Look.

the offense runs through Shaq and Wade. This won't work. Antoine and Williams are two guys who cannot help their teams if they do not have the ball, which are guys who do not belong on the Heat. Maybe Toine and J-Will can go to the Hawks or the Hornets or some crappy team so they can run up their stats on a 20 win ballclub.

[JohnXDoe]

I just believe some players need a bit of shaping up and and straightening out. Willams and Walker are exactly those kinds of players. They have no choice in Miami but to play second fiddle to Wade and Shaq, and this will be where they flourish. Willams should look at this as an opportunity of a lifetime to be able to run the floor with Wade, and especially to feed the ball to Shaq. No more room for screw ups and selfish ball play. These guys I tihnk will perform and perform well. And again, under the guidance of coach Gundy and coach Riley, they may even learn and appreciate the true value of team work. I really am excited about this for basketball in general. If this team reaches it's potential as quickly as it should and peaks at the right time, they are Finals bound, IMO.

The only other choice is it will all go to helll or fail outright. Mediocrity really isn't and option. So to my eyes it looks like a winner. Season starts in a couple more months. I for one can't wait.

[Illmatic]

Antoine Walker is 29 and Jason Williams is going to be 30 in November...they're a little old to be learning new tricks.

[JohnXDoe]

Antoine Walker is 29 and Jason Williams is going to be 30 in November...they're a little old to be learning new tricks.

True. They are vet's now, arent they? But even old dogs can learn new tricks sometimes. This may well be one of those times. We'll see. Should be an exciting team whatever the final outcome.

[nitzguy]

i would agree with Illmatic. jason williams and walker are both crappy Team players. what has jason williams done in the last 3 years to prove hes a championship PG? hes a novelty act to me. and walker shoots 3's way too much. then again i hate Walker as a player. he will be ok when they need help picking up the scoring when shaq and wade are down.

[Phobophile]

But even still I am praying that Joe Dumars can create something real good to compete because other I fear someone may be competing for our best starting lineup title.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I hope Miami plans on outscoring everyone next season.

[Hababi]

I find myself agreeing with Illmatic. On paper, when you look at the stats, Miami is a huge winner. But basketball isn't played on paper, it's played on the court. Jason Williams has been on maybe 1 team that advanced past round one of the playoffs. He's just a head ache to deal with. Even though he's toned down his game over the years (no more 30 foot bombs), he's still not a guy that's condusive to going to the finals.

Then there's Walker. The guy wants to take 25 shots a night! And, if he's not getting his shots, he's going to pout. This is going to cause a lot of internal friction, and won't lead Miami to the finals.

I think Walker WON'T start. Bring him off the bench, when Shaq and Wade are on the bench, and he might be ok. Let James Posey, who is a much better defender and non selfish player, start.

Even though the Grizzlies got rid of JWill, they picked up Eddie Jones, who while not being a locker room cancer, still is a player on the down turn of his career and with a huge, bloated contract lasting two more years. I've not been one to doubt the wisdom of the Logo, but this deal just doesn't make sense to me. If EJ starts, the Grizzlies will regret it, because it will take away from younger, better players in Mike Miller and Shane Battier. As it is, the Grizzlies needed a true impact player to get them to the next level. What they got was Eddie Jones. Meh.

Utah gets Greg Ostertag. Yay. Utah gets cap room after this year. Let's hope AK47 doesn't get fed up with losing this year.

Boston gets an injury prone stiff, a loser thug and a guy named Albert. At least they get draft picks. With Boston's recent success in drafting, this was worth much more than anything else. I like Bordacht and I still think he would've turned into a solid player had it not been for the injuries, but they basically got a poor mans poor man Raef Lafrentz.

New Orleans actually did well. Butler is a promising prospect. Snyder had promise till he decided to work his mouth more than his shot.

[Illmatic]

They could start Eddie at the 2, which would allow Battier and Miller to switch off at the 3.

I was kind of hoping the C's would get Eddie Jones...we don't need draft picks, we have a ton of young players, we just want a vet. Oh well, at least the C's might pick up Mike Finley.

[robo2448]

Have you ever seen Antoine Walker and Jason Williams play?

Is there one good reason why you need two guys who have a compulsive need to shoot every time they touch the ball? How in the name of God are those two going to mesh on a team with Shaq and Wade? Why do the Heat need them?

I don't think Miami needed them either. James Posey was a great pickup though.

[Hababi]

They could start Eddie at the 2, which would allow Battier and Miller to switch off at the 3.

I was kind of hoping the C's would get Eddie Jones...we don't need draft picks, we have a ton of young players, we just want a vet. Oh well, at least the C's might pick up Mike Finley.

Finley will at least come for a reasonable contract so long as he's an amnesty victim. Jones will just kill the salary situation.

I really don't think they need Jones to start. His offense has diminished some as he gets older to the point where he's really just a jump shooter, while being a defensive presence. But, Miller's a better jump shooter and Battier's a better defender. If only one of those guys could play PG :(

I actually think Finley will end up in Phoenix, now that they've been raped.

[MattMan999]

Miami is awesome!

[Reaganista]

did New Orleans give up nothing? If they got those two guys absolutely free then I guess they came out ahead.

I think Boston will be better off without walker, but I also think they could've done a little better for him, they got back practically nothing.

I'm glad to see Memphis get rid of Williams, although losing Posey is a let down, I still think they come out ahead, because losing williams is good in and of itself and Jones is a better player than Posey. The other guys they gave up were just about as useless as Lopez, so no big there.

I don't get Utah at all. Greg Ostertag is useless, but w/e, they didn't give up much.

I like Miami picking up Posey, but I don't see why they felt they had to give up Jones and take on Headaches williams and walker to do it. Neither of them are anywhere near good enough on the court to make up for the problems they will cause having to take on inevitably reduced roles in Miami. And they both have horrible shot selection and bad shooting ability. Posey also shot REALLY badly this year. It seems like it contradicts what one of their biggest strengths was last year, Diesel and Wade's ability to get, take and make shots within their range. It also hurts them hard Defensively.

[Reaganista]

If EJ starts, the Grizzlies will regret it, because it will take away from younger, better players in Mike Miller and Shane Battier

There's no way Miller is better than Jones. Besides, the Griz won 50 games in 04. They shouldn't be in the business of developing prospects, they should be in the business of trying to win in the playoffs. Eddie Jones probably has more playoff wins than the whole rest of their roster.

[MattMan999]

Jones is awesome!!!!

[MattSharpIsCool]

Whoever said Antoine Walker should come off the bench, I think thats a good idea. That way he can be "the man" on the court for 15-20 minutes per game, and then Shaq and Wade can get their reps in the rest of the game.

[dancetomdance182]

So who do you think is better Damon Jones, or Jason Williams? I saw Jason Williams.

[Hababi]

So who do you think is better Damon Jones, or Jason Williams? I saw Jason Williams.

JWill's the better player but when you factor in off the court antics, DJ might actually be the better fit on teams.




I don't get Utah at all. Greg Ostertag is useless, but w/e, they didn't give up much.


Cap room. I believe O has an expiring contract.



There's no way Miller is better than Jones. Besides, the Griz won 50 games in 04. They shouldn't be in the business of developing prospects, they should be in the business of trying to win in the playoffs. Eddie Jones probably has more playoff wins than the whole rest of their roster.


Jones used to be better than Miller, but he's a player on the decline now, similar to Michael Finley. EJ and BJ will be good locker room guys and provide leadership, but their best days are behind them. If the Grizzlies are intent on building a core for the long term, they have to keep the majority of minutes for Battier, Miller and Gasol.

[ZaaR]

Miami got 3 good players (Posey, Walker, and Williams) but they had to give up one key player, who is Eddie Jones. I think Eddie Jones is going to be an amazing shooting guard in the years to come. Even this year I think you'll see his game go way up. Anyways, the Heat are going to have a killer starting line-up this year.

[ZaaR]

Jones used to be better than Miller, but he's a player on the decline now, similar to Michael Finley. EJ and BJ will be good locker room guys and provide leadership, but their best days are behind them. If the Grizzlies are intent on building a core for the long term, they have to keep the majority of minutes for Battier, Miller and Gasol.



I think the complete opposite. I think with Jones' solid performance in the play-offs last year, he will get better next year. I don't really know much of his past, because I just got into to basketball this year, but I think he'll only improve.

[Hababi]

I think the complete opposite. I think with Jones' solid performance in the play-offs last year, he will get better next year. I don't really know much of his past, because I just got into to basketball this year, but I think he'll only improve.

He's going to be 34 in October.

[Reaganista]

Jones used to be better than Miller, but he's a player on the decline now, similar to Michael Finley. EJ and BJ will be good locker room guys and provide leadership, but their best days are behind them. If the Grizzlies are intent on building a core for the long term, they have to keep the majority of minutes for Battier, Miller and Gasol.

Jones is still better than Miller. He scores just as well and is a much better defender. He also isn't a guy whose taken a lot of hits during his career, he's got at least 5 reasonably productive years left in him and he should be starting for at least the first two of those.

[theclash91]

teams line up and accumulate the most points as possible, teams with the most points win

i dont believe that walker and william will have the same problems they had with there other teams, they have more leadership now in shaq
HAHAHA good one. :rolleyes: