Palmeiro Suspended for Steroid Use

[3074326]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659

I really don't know what to say.. I'm shocked. Very disappointed. I know he says it wasn't intentional, but why would he admit to it?

Either way, it sucks. I've always been a fan of Raffy.

[ZEROthirtythree]

Ha, I don't blame him for trying. The O's need something to help them win a game.

[Simple Man]

I'm a fan of Raffy too. There's nothing really to say. He was one of the players that I thought didn't use them.

[ThePatient]

Are you kidding me? Un-****ing-believable. So much :upset: and :angry: right now.

[Understanding In a Crash]

One of the most respected players in baseball, it was a shock and ashame. You didn't need to like the team to really like him as an individual hitter.

[yamahano2]

I felt the same way all of you felt. I was shocked, angry, and saddened to hear this. Palmeiro is one of the most respectable players in baseball, and he is one of my favorite players. I don't want to believe it, but it's true. :upset:

[Reaganista]

I knew it all along.

[Understanding In a Crash]

On a brighter note it seems like Jason Giambi has came around :thumb:

HAHA!

[Red Stripe]

"I've never used steroids, period" Palmiero.

Sure you didn't.

Is he appealing the suspension, he's on my fantasy team.

[Reaganista]

Is he appealing

rejected.

[3074326]

Sad day for baseball when one of the most respected players gets suspended. Even if you don't like Palmeiro, it's a very sad day.

[Illmatic]

Kind of a disgrace when you think about it.

Way to practice what you preach, Raffy.

[CombatRock]

:upset: this is so sad. Raffy didnt seem like the guy to do this. i know he did viagra, but steriods? ........

[3074326]

Maybe that's why he took steroids.. for his other bat. :p

[Mute Print]

I'm really dissappointed that Palmeiro used steroids. His numbers rank him among some of the greatest to play the game, but this will completely tarnish his reputation.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I dont really know what to say either. Like I said in the MLB thread, I thought he was one of the good, honest guys. I had nothing but respect for him, but now I dont know. I almost want to believe that he didnt know he was using them, but I'm pretty sure thats a line of crap.

The Hall of Fame just went bye bye for Raffy.

[robo2448]

Unlike pretty much all of you, I've always suspected him of 'roids. I'm not surprised and have thought he's completely full of **** for a while.

[3074326]

Why, though? He's not dominated his position ever, he's made the All-Star only four times in his career, and he's not in great physical condition. He's never been in great physical condition.

He never gets injured, and steroids are also the cause of many injuries. The man has not been on the DL once in his lifetime.

[Hump-Backed-Tortoise]

My guess is he seen mediocre players using steroids an then becoming better players quickly and thought that using the steroids would push him over the edge into becoming a concrete hall of famer. He didn't count on being found out of course.

[Against Miik!]

I have trouble believing that he intentionally took a banned substance. I really hope he didn't at least.

[Red Stripe]

He claims he didn't know, but obviously no one would admit.

[Against Miik!]

Giambi did didn't he?

[ThePatient]

I have trouble believing that he intentionally took a banned substance. I really hope he didn't at least.
That's what I've been thinking. At this point in his career, when he's being debated over every day on tv and radio, why would he even think about doing this? He's so close to the end of his career, him taking steroids just does not compute. Maybe I'm just in denial, but it doesn't really make sense.

And...

Unlike pretty much all of you, I've always suspected him of 'roids. I'm not surprised and have thought he's completely full of **** for a while.

Care to elaborate?

[CombatRock]

i hope his denial is ture. i dont want to belive this. if he did use them im sure he just started recently since hes getting old. that way he could keep up with the rest of the players. i dont think hes been doing it his whole carrer.

[Understanding In a Crash]

He pleads a good alibi IMO, but he definitely looks like a doofus when they replay him pointing his finger saying "I never took steroids, period".

He never seems like the person too, but Jose Canseco speaking out a year ago it seems like it was a reality no one wanted to believe.

I hate to put a computer nerd esque to the situation but this is like figuring out your clan leader was caughting hacking in CS or something.

[Understanding In a Crash]

"I've never used steroids, period" Palmiero.

Sure you didn't.

Is he appealing the suspension, he's on my fantasy team.
IMO, I'd get rid of him, you dont know whats going to happen to him and if he cant back his *** up I wouldn't be surprised if he retired before the season ended. It's not like he was awesome on steroids anyway?

[MattSharpIsCool]

i hope his denial is ture. i dont want to belive this. if he did use them im sure he just started recently since hes getting old. that way he could keep up with the rest of the players. i dont think hes been doing it his whole carrer.

His average dipped to .260 and .258 the last two seasons, and now its back up to .280......his homeruns also fell to only 23 last season, and he's already at 18 this year....he's on track for 30 or so.

Hmmmm.....

[robo2448]

Care to elaborate?

I'll be honest. I don't really have any reason to suspect him, I just did for some reason I'm not sure of.

[CombatRock]

so you think he just started it or what?

edit: mattsharp

[3074326]

His average dipped to .260 and .258 the last two seasons, and now its back up to .280......his homeruns also fell to only 23 last season, and he's already at 18 this year....he's on track for 30 or so.

Hmmmm.....

Steroids do not account for the raise in batting average. Steroids give a player more power, not more hand-eye coordination.

People say that Barry Bonds would not be a good hitter if he didn't use steroids. If he does in fact use steroids, he'd still be one of the best hitters in the game. That man has the best coordination I've ever seen.

Same for Raffy. He has one of the most fluent swings in MLB history. Even if he didn't use steroids, if he hits a 90 mph fastball in the meat of the bat, it's gone.

He deserves to be in the Hall no matter what, this just tarnishes his character.

[Illmatic]

If Bonds really is using steroids, and he went off of them, he would probably have Chipper Jones power numbers (33 home runs, 34 doubles, 3 triples) and a batting average between .325 and .350 every year. Just a guesstimate.

I still think the absolute lowest point, baseball-wise, for our generation would be if we found out Ken Griffey Jr. was on steroids. I would probably cry.

[ThePatient]

I still think the absolute lowest point, baseball-wise, for our generation would be if we found out Ken Griffey Jr. was on steroids. I would probably cry.
I was afraid I was going to when I first found out about Palmeiro. :upset:

If this turns out to be true, does that mean we have to start giving more thought to things Jose Canseco has said? I really don't think I could live in a world where Jose Canseco is the guy who "saves baseball".

[MattSharpIsCool]

Steroids do not account for the raise in batting average. Steroids give a player more power, not more hand-eye coordination.

I have heard they do actually improve hand-eye coordination.

But one thing that no one ever thinks of when it comes to steroids, is that the player never gets tired. A clean player would probably begin to slow down some in late July and August because of the heat, and all of the wear on his body. But if you're on roids, you shoot up, and you're just as fresh as you were on opening day.

[Illmatic]

I've always taken Canseco seriously.

The way I see it, Jose Canseco is the dumbest baseball player ever, which makes him one of the dumbest people ever. He's not smart enough to hatch up a scheme to bring baseball to its knees; therefore, he's telling the truth.

A clean player would probably begin to slow down some in late July and August because of the heat, and all of the wear on his body. But if you're on roids, you shoot up, and you're just as fresh as you were on opening day.

That's a faulty theory. Players with poor conditioning begin to wear down in the second half, steroids or not.

[Reaganista]

Steroids do not account for the raise in batting average. Steroids give a player more power, not more hand-eye coordination.


A line drive that bounces off the wall is usually going to be a hit. A ball hit 30 feet shorter than that is an easy out. Hitting for average isn't just about making contact.

[simplephotographinthesun]

He deserves to be in the Hall no matter what, this just tarnishes his character.

agreed

it's a shame if he's not elected into the hall of fame because of this. gaylord perry, one of the most notorious cheaters of all time, is in the hall. ty cobb, a man who used irregular sized spikes to punish opponents even more with a slide into a base, is in the hall.

[Red Stripe]

IMO, I'd get rid of him, you dont know whats going to happen to him and if he cant back his *** up I wouldn't be surprised if he retired before the season ended. It's not like he was awesome on steroids anyway?
I'm not getting rid of him right away, i'll keep him and see how he does for a week or so, then keep him or release him.

[Red Stripe]

Steroids do not account for the raise in batting average. Steroids give a player more power, not more hand-eye coordination.

People say that Barry Bonds would not be a good hitter if he didn't use steroids. If he does in fact use steroids, he'd still be one of the best hitters in the game. That man has the best coordination I've ever seen.

Same for Raffy. He has one of the most fluent swings in MLB history. Even if he didn't use steroids, if he hits a 90 mph fastball in the meat of the bat, it's gone.

He deserves to be in the Hall no matter what, this just tarnishes his character.
But then what about Pete Rose, all he did was gamble, now with the steriods, that's cheating, and that brings up another point, if you keep all the records that were broken using steroids, put an asterisk* after it and say "used steroids or illegal substance". I think that he should be a hall of famer also, along with anybody who broke records using steroids, because steroids don't help you hit the ball, but if they're in, then Pete rose should be in, theres no reason why the all-time hits leader isn't in the hall of fame.

[simplephotographinthesun]

raffy's hit above .300 only 6 times during the course of his career. his peak batting avg. was .324

[Endless Obsession]

I always had a feeling he was a user.

[Against Miik!]

Canseco made a statement saying that depsite Palmeiro being on them in the past, at this time, there is no way he is using. With all the media coverage, as well as his getting 3000 hits this year, there is just no way.

[Kurtz]

Aww crap.

It's a sad day for baseball when one of the game's most respected gets found doing something so dishonorable.

[Understanding In a Crash]

He deserves to be in the Hall no matter what, this just tarnishes his character.
If he cant back himself up in any way and he gets to the Hall then baseball is basically saying "cheat to win".

[BringHomeTheBacon]

It's pretty funny how this happened right after he got 3000 hits. I've never liked Palmeiro anyways.

[Red Stripe]

Why, how do you not like him, he is one of the game's gentlemen, he's not an idiot demanding trades, complaining over everything, after this is cleared he's still gonna be a favorite.

[Understanding In a Crash]

He's sketchy still, he hasn't said what he took that he didn't know about supposedly and as he does have a perfect alibi he also fits the perfect description of someone who would take.

His reputation is always going to be tarnished and I cant view him as a good guy anymore.

[Steve DeBerg]

Steroids do not account for the raise in batting average. Steroids give a player more power, not more hand-eye coordination.

Hand-eye coordination helps you hit the ball, thus steroids help hit the ball.

[Red Stripe]

No, steroids help distance and how hard the bat is swung when you hit it.

[simplephotographinthesun]

if it helps coordination, i would figure mcgwire, palmeiro, sosa, and all of the other accused players would have heaps of batting titles.

[MattMan999]

I dont think he used steroids. He probably drank something like a protien shake and got mixed with something.

[Simple Man]

:lol:

As much as I like Raffy, It is beyond me how you can't use them without knowing.

[MattMan999]

It's possible.

[Simple Man]

Whatever you say buddy.

[BringHomeTheBacon]

Why, how do you not like him, he is one of the game's gentlemen, he's not an idiot demanding trades, complaining over everything, after this is cleared he's still gonna be a favorite.
I don't like anyone who's not on the Yankees. ;) Just kidding. I don't know he's just one of those people you see and say to yourself, "I don't like that guy."

[Red Stripe]

:lol:

As much as I like Raffy, It is beyond me how you can't use them without knowing.
Trainer: Here take this
Raffy: What is it
Trainer: Just take it, its part of your routine
Raffy: You sure
Trainer: Yeah it'll help you
Raffy: If you say so

[MattMan999]

It was the trainer!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

[Simple Man]

That was an example..

[MattMan999]

I know....it was called sarcasim

[Illmatic]

Hi, I'm Rafael Palmeiro and I'll take anything, even if I don't know what it is.

Yes, that scenario makes a ton of sense :rolleyes:

[Simple Man]

Let's be realistic here...

After the conference with congress, do you really think a trainer would do that knowing the supsensions and then not tell him what it was?

[Illmatic]

Let's be realistic here...

After the conference with congress, do you really think a trainer would do that knowing the supsensions and then not tell him what it was?

And do you think anyone at the hearings would take anything without asking first?

[ThePatient]

Well if that were the case then the same could be said about Palmeiro himself.

[Simple Man]

Exactly, It'd have to be more to the situation then that. Which like I said, is beyond me.

[MattMan999]

So you guys think hes giulty

[ThePatient]

I have a hard time believing, that in a year in which he has accomplished something only 3 other players have done, and he is being debated daily, that he would be foolish enough to give himself something that he would know is a banned substance.

[MattMan999]

Matbe he didnt know

[Illmatic]

I have a hard time believing, that in a year in which he has accomplished something only 3 other players have done, and he is being debated daily, that he would be foolish enough to give himself something that he would know is a banned substance.

And I have a hard time believing that a man who probably adheres to some kind of workout regimen would take something without knowing it.

[Simple Man]

I was watching "Quite Frankly" last night and he said that in congress if you beleived that you didn't take them and truely felt from the bottom of your heart you're telling the truth, why are you reading off a paper?

[MattMan999]

I dont know

[jpoop]

So you guys think hes giulty

Yes becuase at the hearings he said he has never taken steroids but just yesterday is statement had changed to i have never taken steroid intentionally.

[MattMan999]

He doesnt seem like he took steroids tho......

[Simple Man]

Just because "he doesn't seem like the person to use them" doesn't mean he didn't..

[simplephotographinthesun]

If he cant back himself up in any way and he gets to the Hall then baseball is basically saying "cheat to win".

it's silently done this for the past 2 decades.

[Understanding In a Crash]

:lol:

As much as I like Raffy, It is beyond me how you can't use them without knowing.
It's very possible with all of the things that these players take for other things. Anabolic Steroids is a common medication actually for many different illnesses and infections. It could of been a common misconception..

[Understanding In a Crash]

it's silently done this for the past 2 decades.
I wont believe that anyone could have really risked steroids 30-40 years ago and beyond. I think some of the players in the hall may of snuck by, and I think some plays will sneak on by but I think for the most part its legit. I highly doubt Wade Boggs took steroids :thumb:

That guy had such a bad back.

[Red Stripe]

Do you think Bonds isn't playing this year because (if) he used steroids, and he underperformed, they would assume it was his leg instead of him no longer using steroids.

Wow theres so many questions to be answered now with the steroid scandals.

[Understanding In a Crash]

If Rafael Palmiero used steroids this year, it didn't HELP him much. Hes .280 and only has 59, kind of average if you ask me. Then again he's about 40?

[Red Stripe]

Wasn't this settled before? Steroids don't help you hit the ball, they give more power and he did have a power surge lately, he was hitting more home runs lately.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Wasn't this settled before? Steroids don't help you hit the ball, they give more power and he did have a power surge lately, he was hitting more home runs lately.
Thats the point though. There are people close to 30 already and he's only got 18. There are players probably old enough to be his son that are hitting more :thumb:

If hes on the roids thats even more sadder.

[Simple Man]

Let's be realistic here...

After the conference with congress, do you really think a trainer would do that knowing the supsensions and then not tell him what it was?

And I have a hard time believing that a man who probably adheres to some kind of workout regimen would take something without knowing it.

It'd be tough to not know what you're taking, exspecially this season when the suspensions are more serious.

[Red Stripe]

Well it was said to be an illegal substance not necessary steroids?

[ThePatient]

And I have a hard time believing that a man who probably adheres to some kind of workout regimen would take something without knowing it.
And that's what makes it so hard to decide what you think; you have to decide what you think is the less unlikely scenario.

[Simple Man]

Well it was said to be an illegal substance not necessary steroids?

Does it matter? Either or, He took one of them to improve his game.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Does it matter? Either or, He took one of them to improve his game.
It does because the players push the illegal substance rulings to the edge in trying to get a better game without necessarily cheating. It's like pit crews in racing doing things to their car to bend but not break the rules.

[Simple Man]

They push it to the edge? How the hell else would they punish them? If they didn't it'd be like a homerun derby everytime you watched a game.

[Joe]

It's incredibly hard to believe he actually did it, knowingly. I have a feeling he was like "you can put it in me but don't tell me what it is." He really doesn't look like he used them, and if you read his quotes from Monday it really does sound like he didn't intentionally do it (the word intentionally makes his speech before a congressional committee very different than his phone call)

[CombatRock]

im leaning towards right now that he didnt do it. maybe just cos i have loved him my whole life but i dont know. just to see where everyone stands who thinks hes guilty and not innocent?

[Joe]

im leaning towards right now that he didnt do it. maybe just cos i have loved him my whole life but i dont know. just to see where everyone stands who thinks hes guilty and not innocent?


when players come out and say that he's innocent i'll believe it a little more. If Miguel Tejada came out and said that he never used them and he stands behind Raffy it'll be better for everyone. But I don't know, the only one that said anything is B.J. Surhoff. I honestly think Raffy never knowingly used steroids.

[ikikdababy]

i have a hard time believing he did it intentionally...

you have to figure, even if he used steroids everyday of his life before the congressional hearings, that he quit immediately after the speech he made whilst wagging his finger in every one of those people's faces.

to make the statements he made and then proceed to intentionally use steroids is incomprehensible. you would have to be both consciousless, and stupid as hell. palmiero is neither of these things.

i don't believe he ever took steroids, period. not purposely or accidentally. what he got caught for has to have been one of the banned steroid precursors. i'd like to think he'd be a little more careful after the hearings... i mean he put a huge target on his back during those sessions. it wouldn't surprise me if the 'random' 4 or 6 players or whatever, includes him most every time. they want to catch these guys lying and run them through the mud.

it's too bad raffy made this mistake. i've read that this is tarnishing his hall of fame chances which is obescene to me. it makes me want to go kick the **** out of some sportswriters.

[Joe]

I really think he'll still make it, depending on what people think after now. For anyone that watched the Induction, Ryno wouldn't vote for him, except sports writers are saying that it's hard to belive and that he still deserves votes (I agree). Especially how he came off in front of Congress there is no way anyone would be that stupid.

[3074326]

It might not have even been what everyone thinks it is. The media is making it sound like he took loads of muscle-enhancing drugs, but for all we know, it could've been a daily vitamin with a small amount of added "banned substance." We do not know what the substance was, nor do we know what effect that substance had on his body.

Ephedra is a banned substance, but because it's dangerous. But Raffy pretty much admitted that steroids got him banned.

[Simple Man]

Next up: Ryan Franklin for Seattle. 10 days for him too.

[Joe]

Next up: Ryan Franklin for Seattle. 10 days for him too.


Another?

On tv yesterday they replayed the entire committee hearing. I like the idea about having ALL sports follow olympic rules, 2 years suspension for first conviction and forever banned for the 2nd conviction.

[Simple Man]

Yeah, I just read it on ESPN.

[ThePatient]

when players come out and say that he's innocent i'll believe it a little more. If Miguel Tejada came out and said that he never used them and he stands behind Raffy it'll be better for everyone. But I don't know, the only one that said anything is B.J. Surhoff. I honestly think Raffy never knowingly used steroids.
I think part of it is that the younger players are deathly afraid to even get their names close to stories like these.

[simplephotographinthesun]

he's got the backing of president bush :p

[CombatRock]

ahaha i dont know if thats a good thing or not?

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think its funny that Rafael Palmeiro flat out admitted to using the substance, but everyone is defending him (me included) and believing him when he says he didnt know he was taking the roids.

Mark McGwire never admitted to anything. I still dont think he took anything, but everyone jumped down his throat the second the testimony was over, saying he tarnished baseball forever and he's a cheater.

[Zmev]

How are steroids an "unfair advantage" if anyone can get them?

[Red Stripe]

With the starting pitchers though, 10 games is only 2 starts, I don't think you can suspend him for 50 games on first offence but, thats what it should be, Rogers got a bigger suspension for a less serious action

[Red Stripe]

I think its funny that Rafael Palmeiro flat out admitted to using the substance, but everyone is defending him (me included) and believing him when he says he didnt know he was taking the roids.

Mark McGwire never admitted to anything. I still dont think he took anything, but everyone jumped down his throat the second the testimony was over, saying he tarnished baseball forever and he's a cheater.
With Mcgwire, it wasn't illegal THEN. It is now, but in the huge rulebook, you would think there would have been something, but then again there is no rule on what a swing is.

[Illmatic]

to make the statements he made and then proceed to intentionally use steroids is incomprehensible. you would have to be both consciousless, and stupid as hell. palmiero is neither of these things.

That's what I'm freaking talking about!

With the heightened awareness about steroids, what kind of moron is going to take something his trainer says will help him, without asking what it is first?

[Joe]

I think its funny that Rafael Palmeiro flat out admitted to using the substance, but everyone is defending him (me included) and believing him when he says he didnt know he was taking the roids.

Mark McGwire never admitted to anything. I still dont think he took anything, but everyone jumped down his throat the second the testimony was over, saying he tarnished baseball forever and he's a cheater.

Mark McGwire admitted it just as clearly as Jose Canseco. Him using the fifth amendment clearly showed he did them. I don't think Raffy admitted using steroids, but admitting that he should have checked out whatever he took.

[ThePatient]

:upset:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

It doesn't say so in that article, but Palmeiro found out about the failed test in May, and then appealed it. I'd give the link to the article from the Baltimore Sun, but you have to be a member to read it, which I doubt anyone else is.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Mark McGwire admitted it just as clearly as Jose Canseco. Him using the fifth amendment clearly showed he did them. I don't think Raffy admitted using steroids, but admitting that he should have checked out whatever he took.
He was the one shaking his finger at the judges in the court. He's either the dumbest person in sports history or about to be one of the most tarnished. I'd say worse then Pete Rose soon enough as this thing seems to elevate each day and references are already being made to which is worse...

[Understanding In a Crash]

IMO now, (the day after) I'm about 80% sure he is guilty. He carries a strong alibi but it seems like new details by new reports are just killing anything that he has. His reputation he can forget about even if he didn't do it intentionally. It just seems really sketchy about how hes quick to jump the gun to say he didn't mean too yet even when he could explain himself he does not even hint on a scenario that is legit. I just think its upsetting and how most of the questions never really do get answered. It's one thing to be a tough guy character and to get caught but this guy was like one of the crusaders supposedly against illegal substances...

[MattMan999]

is it a good, or bad day for baseball?

[MattSharpIsCool]

Mark McGwire admitted it just as clearly as Jose Canseco. Him using the fifth amendment clearly showed he did them. I don't think Raffy admitted using steroids, but admitting that he should have checked out whatever he took.

Using the fifth ammendment proves nothing. You can only ASSUME that he is, in fact, guilty. I understand it makes him seem pretty susipcious, but nothing is known for sure about McGwire's steroid use. Maybe he just doesnt feel like his personal life is the US government's business, and thats why he took the fifth.

One of the reasons I dont think McGwire took steroids is because he was a huge homerun hitter as soon as he joined the A's. He hit 49, 32, 33, 39, 22, and 42 homeruns in his first 6 full seasons.

Palmeiro hit 14, 8, 8, 14, 26, 22 before he had his first 30 homerun season, and it took 6 more years for his first 40 homerun season.

Sammy Sosa hit 15, 10, 8, 33, 25, and 36 before he had his first 40 homerun season. He was never more than a mid-30's homerun hitter, with a career high of 40, than all of a sudden he hits 66, 63, 50, 64, and 49.

Barry Bonds hit 16, 25, 24, 19, 33, and 25 homeruns in his first 6 seasons. He went on to become a solid high-30's, 40 homerun guy, but out of nowhere he hits 73. He had 46 in 1993, but nothing more than 42 until 1999 when he hit 49, then the next season he hit 73, followed by 46, 45, and 45....all of this with roughly 400 at bats per season.

I guess I'm saying that McGwire hitting all of those homeruns is more believable than those 3 guys.

[Understanding In a Crash]

is it a good, or bad day for baseball?
Tough Love. They made steroid testing stricter so they knew things like this were going to happen, but its really taking the game out of its element. I don't even know how bad the Yankees are doing anymore because all you hear about is steroids.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I guess I'm saying that McGwire hitting all of those homeruns is more believable than those 3 guys.
I agree as bad as McGwire looked in front of the court. He was one of my favorites, and I thought if anyone was going to break the record it'd be him and he did.

[Illmatic]

I still maintain that if Griffey is exposed, it will be our darkest day as baseball fans.

[Mute Print]

I still maintain that if Griffey is exposed, it will be our darkest day as baseball fans.
Definately true. Griffey is one of the most well-respected athletes in baseball. If he tested positive for steroids, it would be a terrible day indeed. I don't think he ever used steroids though, and I don't think he would.

[Steve DeBerg]

I just read that Palmiero tested positive for a staroid that isn't present in any over the counter drugs.

[Understanding In a Crash]

I just read that Palmiero tested positive for a staroid that isn't present in any over the counter drugs.
If thats true then hes the dumbest player I think ever in any sport.

[3074326]

The steroid in question is also known as one of the strongest steroids on the market.

Raffy, you're an idiot. Sorry bud. You'd be informed if you were putting one of the strongest steroids into your body.

[MattMan999]

The steroid in question is also known as one of the strongest steroids on the market.

Raffy, you're an idiot. Sorry bud. You'd be informed if you were putting one of the strongest steroids into your body.

And you would know by playing better and feeling stronger.

[dimenwylde22]

And you would know by playing better and feeling stronger.

Rafiel or how ever you spell it is completely stupid.

Especially with the scandal about steroids going on.

Did he not think they would check!?

[Kurtz]

I still maintain that if Griffey is exposed, it will be our darkest day as baseball fans.
It would suck, but I doubt it. When was the last time you remembered when he was doing hot?

[MattSharpIsCool]

He's doing pretty well this season. Probably gonna hit around 35 homeruns.

[ZEROthirtythree]

Raffy didn't use the drug intentionally. Why would someone put stanozolol in their body? (Especially someone like Palmiero, who of course is going to be tested for drugs frequently).

Here are some facts about Stanozolol:
- It is easily detected. (No masking agent known of)

- It stays inside your body for a long time, and can be detected up to seven months after inintial use.

[3074326]

So apparantly he's an idiot for taking a substance with that particular steroid in them. After finding out which steroid was in the substance he took, I'm not going to back him up that much anymore. If he, or the person who gave him the substance, had any knowledge of what he took, they both would've known that it had the substance.

And if they didn't know, they did a great job of using a substance they had no knowledge of, which is stupid.

So he's an idiot whether he meant to take the steroid or not..

[ZEROthirtythree]

So apparantly he's an idiot for taking a substance with that particular steroid in them. After finding out which steroid was in the substance he took, I'm not going to back him up that much anymore. If he, or the person who gave him the substance, had any knowledge of what he took, they both would've known that it had the substance.

And if they didn't know, they did a great job of using a substance they had no knowledge of, which is stupid.

So he's an idiot whether he meant to take the steroid or not..

oh yea, that's right, only idiots make mistakes