Best player in baseball

[HTLSM]

Who is the best current baseball player?

[HTLSM]

i would say Albert Pujols

[3074326]

Right now it's Derek Lee.

[BassVirtuoso]

Barry Bonds..






...Yeah I still have faith.

[Against Miik!]

Right now it's Derek Lee.

No respect i'll tell ya. Besides Derek Lee, I would have to go with Alex Rodriguez. You kinda think he was playing as poorly as the Yankees, but I was suprised to find out he's batting .330 with 20 home runs and 64 rbis.

[Joe]

Besides Derek Lee, I would have to go with Alex Rodriguez.

I assume you're just talking about talent, because he's quite the jackass. Jim Edmonds is an amazing outfielder, no doubt the best. Brian Roberts and Melvin Mora are young Orioles that have a lot of talent. Overall I'd have to agree with Albert Pujols.

[Zmev]

Sammy Sosa

[ThePatient]

Group 1:Tejada, Pujols, Guererro, Bonds

Group 2:A-Rod, Manny, Beltran

Unfortunately, Mora isn't young anymore, he's 33. And Roberts is 28. :-/

[Rats]

Lee seems like the last name to have if you want to be good at baseball this season... three of them are having a great year. Overall, I think Derrek Lee, Vlad Guerrero, A-Rod, Dontrelle Willis, and Pedro Martinez have been the best players this season. Andruw Jones also just skyrocketed to the top of the home run charts. If it wasn't for his terrible April I would have included him too.

[3074326]

Yeah, I originally had Andruw Jones's name beside Derrek Lee in my original post, but realized he's just had an incredible month.

[Daven]

Pujols!

[Simple Man]

Derek Lee right now.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I'd say Vlad Guerrero. Hes got it all. Average, power, speed, and defense.

[Vaya]

if you mean this year: derek lee
if you mean still currently playing and all their years overall: barry bonds

best player this year by position according to me:
catcher: jason varitek
1st base: derek lee
2nd base: alfonso soriano
shortstop: miguel tejada
3rd base: alex rodriguez
OF: bobby abreu, miguel cabrera, andruw jones
DH: manny ramirez (he cannot field the ball)

[402unearthly402]

Yeah, I originally had Andruw Jones's name beside Derrek Lee in my original post, but realized he's just had an incredible month.

123

i agree with everything this man(or woman) has had to say concerning baseball in this thread

i think mark prior will be up on the list now that he his back in action

anyone see him out duel garland?

[Steve DeBerg]

I would have to say D.Lee, not because i'm a cubs fan, but because he is faster and plays better D than Pujols.

[Joe]

if you mean this year: derek lee
if you mean still currently playing and all their years overall: barry bonds

best player this year by position according to me:
catcher: jason varitek
1st base: derek lee
2nd base: alfonso soriano
shortstop: miguel tejada
3rd base: alex rodriguez
OF: bobby abreu, miguel cabrera, andruw jones
DH: manny ramirez (he cannot field the ball)

did you vote for them though?

Unfortunately, Mora isn't young anymore, he's 33. And Roberts is 28. :-/

well they've still got several years left, and also there are some new guys on the o's that are going to be good

Sammy Sosa
somebody hasn't been paying attention to this year's stats. if you mean in a career, i still wouldn't agree

[robo2448]

if you mean this year: derek lee
if you mean still currently playing and all their years overall: barry bonds

best player this year by position according to me:
catcher: jason varitek
1st base: derek lee
2nd base: alfonso soriano
shortstop: miguel tejada
3rd base: alex rodriguez
OF: bobby abreu, miguel cabrera, andruw jones
DH: manny ramirez (he cannot field the ball)

Pretty good list. The only thing Guerrero doesn't have is plate discipline, which is why I wouldn't vote for him. Pujols doesn't have speed, so I'd say Lee and A-Rod are 1 and 2 right now. Lee has been without a doubt the best, he's hit for great average and power, and is an amazing fielder.

I'd still rather start a team with Jeter over anyone though, even if he lacks something in talent compared to these guys.

[3074326]

123

i agree with everything this man(or woman) has had to say concerning baseball in this thread

i think mark prior will be up on the list now that he his back in action

anyone see him out duel garland?

:thumb:

The Cubs/Sox game was a great game. Prior looked excellent.

The Yanks/Mets game was also extremely good.

[ikikdababy]

DH: manny ramirez (he cannot field the ball)

that's not true at all.

he's inconsistent, i'll give you that. but he's a very capable fielder with a weak arm.

[ikikdababy]

somebody hasn't been paying attention to this year's stats. if you mean in a career, i still wouldn't agree

yeah... anyone can hit nearly 600 home runs and drive in 1500+ runs... i can see where that wouldn't merit consideration amongst the greats becuse so many people have done it.

[red barchetta]

Ichiro :cool:

(i'm saying this because im japanese)

[Rats]

yeah... anyone can hit nearly 600 home runs and drive in 1500+ runs... i can see where that wouldn't merit consideration amongst the greats becuse so many people have done it.

not to mention he went 4 straight seasons hitting 50 or more home runs

[Red Stripe]

There could be a Triple Crown this year, either Lee or Rodriguez, the are both playing really well. I'm gonna say Rodriguez is better because they are both even on hitting, A-Rod has the edge in the field

[Red Stripe]

Ichiro :cool:

(i'm saying this because im japanese)
He can run, single-season hits leader, he's gonna hit .400 in a year in one of his seasons, definetly, he's got a cannon, he could be the best on baseball.

[ikikdababy]

There could be a Triple Crown this year, either Lee or Rodriguez, the are both playing really well. I'm gonna say Rodriguez is better because they are both even on hitting, A-Rod has the edge in the field

you sure about that? how many gold gloves does a-rod have at third? and lee at 1st?

[Simple Man]

True, Alex has really had a few bad games this year with multiple errors.

Also, Welcome Ikik to the sports forum :cool:

[3074326]

Derrek Lee is one of the best fielding first basemen in the MLB.

Rodriguez is slightly above average for a third baseman.

[Illmatic]

The question is, what is more important: an elite fielder at 1B or an above-average fielder at 3B?

1B is historically one of those "Stick-the-guy-who-can't-field-there" positions, but I've played there and it requires a lot more skill and importance than you think.

[3074326]

I've also played both positions in my life. It's really about equal in importance from my experience.

But it doesn't matter. Derrek Lee could be a Gold Glove contender at third base. He's just a better fielder than Rodriguez. It wouldn't surprise me if Lee has played at third at some point in his life. He's big, he's strong, and he's a great fielder.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I've heard that Ichiro has 30+ homerun power. He just prefers to play the leadoff game and keep his average up in the majors. I dont know if thats true or not, but it is what I heard.

I'd still go with Vladdy, even if he can be a bit undisciplined at the plate sometimes. He's obviously disciplined enough to hit .330 each year.

[robo2448]

The question is, what is more important: an elite fielder at 1B or an above-average fielder at 3B?

1B is historically one of those "Stick-the-guy-who-can't-field-there" positions, but I've played there and it requires a lot more skill and importance than you think.

Not everyone can play 1B, look at Piazza, Giambi, Ortiz, Millar... and don't forget Mo Vaughn. Those guys have made some of the most embarassing defensive plays that I have ever seen.

A-Rod is an excellent defensive 3B, much better than "slightly above average" He might be 2nd to Chavez in the AL. But Lee is simply amazing at first. He saves his team so many runs with diving stops and brilliant scoops. He wins defensively. A-Rod has proved himself more though, this is Lee's first brilliant year.

[3074326]

A-Rod was a great defensive shortstop. Don't give him too much credit at third yet. He's made some great plays, but he's made some bad ones too. He's still learning.

I'm not an A-Rod hater. He's my favorite player.

I can think of two third basemen off the top of my head who are better defensively. Scott Rolen and Aaron Boone come to mind.

[Illmatic]

I hate A-Rod.

And not just because I'm a Red Sox fan...I hated him when he cheated the Mariners and ran to Texas for a bigger paycheck. What a bitch.

[3074326]

I must say he's done some things that I disagree with.

[Illmatic]

He's the Tom Cruise of baseball: Completely smarmy and slimey...I can't trust a single word he says.

[402unearthly402]

There could be a Triple Crown this year, either Lee or Rodriguez, the are both playing really well. I'm gonna say Rodriguez is better because they are both even on hitting, A-Rod has the edge in the field
rodriguez and lee even on hitting this year??

lee only is ahead of him in homers and average only by about50 points
:rolleyes:
pfft

and i could seriously challenge that rodriguez is a better fielder as well

[Simple Man]

rodriguez and lee even on hitting this year??

lee only is ahead of him in homers and average only by about50 points
:rolleyes:
pfft

and i could seriously challenge that rodriguez is a better fielder as well

Um.

There in two different leagues...

[402unearthly402]

Um.

There in two different leagues...

you said alex is a better hitter which just isnt true no matter what league they're in

check out lee's interleague stats as well :thumb:

[Red Stripe]

I guess you guys are right.

Damn I hate admitting I'm wrong

[MattSharpIsCool]

These arent necessarily from the same season.

Derek Lee's Career Bests: .282 Average, .379 OBP, .508 SLG, 32 HR, 98 RBI, 95 Runs, 39 Doubles, 7 Triples, 21 Stolen Bases

Alex Rodriguez's Career Bests: .358 Average, .420 OBP, .631 SLG, 57 HR, 142 RBI, 141 Runs, 54 Doubles, 6 Triples, 46 Stolen Bases

I'd say A-Rod is the better hitter. Even A-Rod's worst season since 1997 (last year) was better than Derek Lee's best season.

[402unearthly402]

These arent necessarily from the same season.

Derek Lee's Career Bests: .282 Average, .379 OBP, .508 SLG, 32 HR, 98 RBI, 95 Runs, 39 Doubles, 7 Triples, 21 Stolen Bases

Alex Rodriguez's Career Bests: .358 Average, .420 OBP, .631 SLG, 57 HR, 142 RBI, 141 Runs, 54 Doubles, 6 Triples, 46 Stolen Bases

I'd say A-Rod is the better hitter. Even A-Rod's worst season since 1997 (last year) was better than Derek Lee's best season.
over a career yes a rod owns lee

but for this year lee owns a rod

[SrV_FeN63'StRaT]

I dont think there is really one player better than everyone everyone is good in their own way well just have to c who the MVP is this year

[MattSharpIsCool]

over a career yes a rod owns lee

but for this year lee owns a rod

And I dont think this thread is for this year only. Its the best player in baseball, not the best player in the season's first half.

Next year, if I have the number 1 pick, I wont be drafting Derek Lee. I'll be drafting A-Rod, and I'm sure anyone else would do the same.

[red barchetta]

over a career yes a rod owns lee

but for this year lee owns a rod
but a lot will change in 90 more games.

[3074326]

These arent necessarily from the same season.

Derek Lee's Career Bests: .282 Average, .379 OBP, .508 SLG, 32 HR, 98 RBI, 95 Runs, 39 Doubles, 7 Triples, 21 Stolen Bases

Alex Rodriguez's Career Bests: .358 Average, .420 OBP, .631 SLG, 57 HR, 142 RBI, 141 Runs, 54 Doubles, 6 Triples, 46 Stolen Bases

I'd say A-Rod is the better hitter. Even A-Rod's worst season since 1997 (last year) was better than Derek Lee's best season.

Well yeah, if we're talking career stats A-Rod is probably the best player in the game today. He has the best stats considering his age. He's going to reach 500 home runs faster than any player ever, as long as he doesn't get injured. He will be a career .300+ hitter. He will have over 300 stolen bases in his career. He already has over 1100 RBI's.

The scariest thing of all is that he's got quite a few years left in him. He's in great physical condition, and I don't see him having a stupid injury.

As for this year though, he's not the best player. It's not close.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I agree. He isnt the best THIS year. But overall, I would say he is definitly a top 3 player in the league.

[402unearthly402]

but a lot will change in 90 more games.
we'll find out

mattsharp yes i agree with you, but if i had a choice between having A-rod or Lee standing in the batters box right at this moment, i would choose lee

[3074326]

I agree. He isnt the best THIS year. But overall, I would say he is definitly a top 3 player in the league.

Who's better, in general?

[MattSharpIsCool]

Better than A-Rod?

I'd say A-Rod, Albert Pujols, Vlad Guerrero, Barry Bonds, and Bobby Abreu make up the top 5, not entirely sure of what order I'd put them in.

[ikikdababy]

I've heard that Ichiro has 30+ homerun power. He just prefers to play the leadoff game and keep his average up in the majors. I dont know if thats true or not, but it is what I heard.

I'd still go with Vladdy, even if he can be a bit undisciplined at the plate sometimes. He's obviously disciplined enough to hit .330 each year.

ichiro does have some pop. i've seen him take BP and he can crush a baseball. it's true that he chooses to slap and run because it utilizes his speed. don't be surprised if he drops to the middle of the order as he gets older and slows down a bit. he's no tom goodwin or tony womack. once he ceases to beat out those infield hits, he'll turn his attention toward the fences.

[jeremy_a]

Everyone's forgetting Roy Halladay. You can't argue with an 11-4 record, 2.40 ERA, 90 K and 5 complete games.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I wasnt really thinking about pitchers.

[Simple Man]

Talking about pitching, I'd rather have Santana.

[ikikdababy]

the last couple years, santana has been as dominant as anyone.

[3074326]

So has Roger Clemens, it's just too bad the Astros suck.

If I could have one pitcher in the MLB for a year, it'd be Clemens without doubt. The man is incredible.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Best pitcher....hmm.

Roy Halladay might be the man. The numbers speak for themselves. I also like the 5 complete games before the all star break.

Cant forget Roger Clemens, Johan Santana, and Pedro Martinez though. Pedro is just eating the NL alive.

I also think Mark Buerhle should start getting recognized as one of the elite major league pitchers.

[HTLSM]

Bets picther right now is Willis and Martinez they are both untouchable

[robo2448]

Best pitcher....hmm.

Roy Halladay might be the man. The numbers speak for themselves. I also like the 5 complete games before the all star break.

Cant forget Roger Clemens, Johan Santana, and Pedro Martinez though. Pedro is just eating the NL alive.

I also think Mark Buerhle should start getting recognized as one of the elite major league pitchers.

All of you are underestimating the difference between the AL and NL. It is much easier to pitch in the NL, so I feel that Santana and Halladay should win the honor of the best pitcher.

And I'm not biased as a Yankee fan. Unlike most Yankee fans, I still love Roger and he is probably my favorite current pitcher and one of my favorites of all-time. I do hate Pedro, but I still feel he is a great pitcher. During the winter, I felt that Pedro would be just pretty good if he stayed with Boston or came to the Yankees, but certainly not Pedro of years past. If he went to the NL, I felt that he would still be dominant, and so far that has proved true. If you want a look at the difference, just look at the Yankees pitching, RJ, Pavano, Wright, and Brown before they got injured were all no where near there success in the NL. Or look at Vasquez from 2004. Now he's doing great with Arizona, back in the NL.

[Illmatic]

Clemens is just doing drop-dead amazing this year.

1.50 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, .182 BAA

Two days ago he gave up his first run on the road this season!

He has to be one of the five best pitchers of all time, top 10 at worst. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

[MAthiAS]

Miguel Cabrera and Derrek Lee, for pitchers Johan and Pedro. Easy.

[robo2448]

Clemens is just doing drop-dead amazing this year.

1.50 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, .182 BAA

Two days ago he gave up his first run on the road this season!

He has to be one of the five best pitchers of all time, top 10 at worst. And this is coming from someone who hates him.

#1? I'll be honest, I'm a Clemens fanboy, I even have a University of Texas shirt with Clemens on the back. But I think you could easily make the case for him being the best ever.

[Simple Man]

#1? I'll be honest, I'm a Clemens fanboy, I even have a University of Texas shirt with Clemens on the back. But I think you could easily make the case for him being the best ever.

It's a close race, But I don't know. He's most def. up there.

[Illmatic]

I wouldn't call him the best ever, but he's certainly up there.

[robo2448]

I wouldn't call him the best ever, but he's certainly up there.

I think if you factor in the era in which he has excelled- steroids and such, his longevity and success, he may be the best. Of course there has been rumors that he's on 'roids. I won't believe them until they are proved though.

[3074326]

I also think Mark Buerhle should start getting recognized as one of the elite major league pitchers.

After Jon Garland.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Eh, I'm not ready to call Jon Garland an elite pitcher after having one good half of a season in his career.

However, Buerhle has been doing this for the past 5 years or so.

[3074326]

Yeah, this is another time that I'm thinking this season.

Haha

[MattSharpIsCool]

Yeah, this is another time that I'm thinking this season.

Haha

This year, I would definitly say he's been one of the best pitchers.

Even this season though, I think I'd still take Buerhle. That might just be personal preference though, I dont know. I just like pitchers that can rack up a huge number of innings.

[3074326]

Yeah, it'd be close, but I'd go with Garland. He's had a great season. So has Buerhle though.

Chicago has a great city of pitchers.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Freddy Garcia gets forgotten because hes behind Buerhle and Garland, but he has pitched very well this year too. Jose Contreras was doing really good until just recently. And El Duque was picking up a lot of wins.

Then there's obviously the big 3 the Cubs have.

Ya, its just something about Chicago I guess.

[ikikdababy]

If you want a look at the difference, just look at the Yankees pitching, RJ, Pavano, Wright, and Brown before they got injured were all no where near there success in the NL. Or look at Vasquez from 2004. Now he's doing great with Arizona, back in the NL.

I think you underestimate the pressure involved in playing for the Yankees. But just so you know, Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright aren't good pitchers and Kevin Brown hasn't been healthy in years. Johnson's problem has been ****ty mechanics... He's been straightening up too soon and not keeping his arm slot consistent. The result has been that his slider has lost most of its movement... Sliders that don't move are just slow fastballs.

Vazquez is doing great with Arizona, huh? Is it his pedestrian 7-6 record, or his ugly 4.53 ERA that led you to that conclusion? He should be doing well playing for the best team in the weakest division in baseball... but he isn't...


Pedro is thriving in NY because he's happy again. He's out there having fun and he's regained some of his old velocity. You give way too much credit to the league switches...

[Simple Man]

Yeah, it'd be close, but I'd go with Garland. He's had a great season. So has Buerhle though.

Chicago has a great city of pitchers.

No kidding.

Wood was great yesterday.

[ikikdababy]

This year, I would definitly say he's been one of the best pitchers.

Even this season though, I think I'd still take Buerhle. That might just be personal preference though, I dont know. I just like pitchers that can rack up a huge number of innings.

buerhle is coming up on a record for consecutive starts of 6 innings or more... if you're looking for consistency, i think he's the model.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think you underestimate the pressure involved in playing for the Yankees. But just so you know, Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright aren't good pitchers and Kevin Brown hasn't been healthy in years. Johnson's problem has been ****ty mechanics... He's been straightening up too soon and not keeping his arm slot consistent. The result has been that his slider has lost most of its movement... Sliders that don't move are just slow fastballs.

Vazquez is doing great with Arizona, huh? Is it his pedestrian 7-6 record, or his ugly 4.53 ERA that led you to that conclusion?


Pedro is thriving in NY because he's happy again. He's out there having fun and he's regained some of his old velocity. You give way too much credit to the league switches...

Vazquez had a horrible first few outings, and since then, he's pitched pretty well for Arizona. Its also really hard to guage a pitcher's worth based on his W-L record.

The league switches DO have something to do with it though. They face the opposing pitchers instead of designated hitters, there arent many good hitting catchers in the NL, let alone any power hitting catchers. The NL is just weaker offensively than the AL, period.

[ikikdababy]

Vazquez had a horrible first few outings, and since then, he's pitched pretty well for Arizona. Its also really hard to guage a pitcher's worth based on his W-L record.

The league switches DO have something to do with it though. They face the opposing pitchers instead of designated hitters, there arent many good hitting catchers in the NL, let alone any power hitting catchers. The NL is just weaker offensively than the AL, period.

Wrong. Vazquez has been awful in the last month... He's allowed at least 4 ER in each of the last 7 or 8 starts. He had a good couple of weeks in between his rough start and this recent fit of ****ty pitching.

Lo Duca? Hernandez? Estrada? Piazza?

There are plenty of good hitting catchers in the NL... There are 2 or 3 power hitting catchers in the AL... You're trying to tell me that Pedro having to face a couple fewer power hitting catchers is going to explain away his success this season?

I never said there wasn't a difference. I said that the guy who thought it would be a good idea make a case for it out of Javier Vazquez and the Yank's pitching staff is categorically wrong.

[Illmatic]

There are plenty of good hitting catchers in the NL... There are 2 or 3 power hitting catchers in the AL... You're trying to tell me that Pedro having to face a couple fewer power hitting catchers is going to explain away his success this season?

Fenway Park = hitter's park
Shea Stadium = pitcher's park

NL = no DH
AL = DH

That is why Pedro's having a better year this year than last year.

I think if you factor in the era in which he has excelled- steroids and such, his longevity and success, he may be the best. Of course there has been rumors that he's on 'roids. I won't believe them until they are proved though.

Well, in that case we should also include Maddux, Pedro, and Randy Johnson in this discussion.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Wrong. Vazquez has been awful in the last month... He's allowed at least 4 ER in each of the last 7 or 8 starts. He had a good couple of weeks in between his rough start and this recent fit of ****ty pitching.

Lo Duca? Hernandez? Estrada? Piazza?

There are plenty of good hitting catchers in the NL... There are 2 or 3 power hitting catchers in the AL... You're trying to tell me that Pedro having to face a couple fewer power hitting catchers is going to explain away his success this season?

I never said there wasn't a difference. I said that the guy who thought it would be a good idea make a case for it out of Javier Vazquez and the Yank's pitching staff is categorically wrong.

Paul Lo Duca, Benji Molina, Ramon Hernandez, and Johnny Estrada are the only NL catchers over .275, while in the AL, you have Jason Varitek, Brandon Inge, Ivan Rodriguez, Joe Mauer, Sal Fasano, Javy Lopez, and Jorge Posada. Jason Kendall should end the year around .300, too. There are also 3 catchers in the AL with double digit homeruns (there would be 5 if Lopez hadnt been hurt and Mauer didnt get a day off per week), while there are no catchers in the double digits in the NL.

It may not seem like much, but a catcher accounts for 3-4 at bats per game, just like any other hitter. Those 3-4 at bats have a much bigger chance of hurting you in the AL than the NL.

[ikikdababy]

Fenway Park = hitter's park
Shea Stadium = pitcher's park

NL = no DH
AL = DH

That is why Pedro's having a better year this year than last year.



Oh right... So the extra 3-4 mph he has on his fastball this year compared to last year has nothing to do with it...

[ikikdababy]

Paul Lo Duca, Benji Molina, Ramon Hernandez, and Johnny Estrada are the only NL catchers over .275, while in the AL, you have Jason Varitek, Brandon Inge, Ivan Rodriguez, Joe Mauer, Sal Fasano, Javy Lopez, and Jorge Posada. Also, dont forget that Jason Kendall should end the year around .300. There are also 3 catchers in the AL with double digit homeruns (there would be 5 if Lopez hadnt been hurt and Mauer didnt get a day off per week), while there are no catchers in the double digits in the NL.

It may not seem like much, but a catcher accounts for 3-4 at bats per game, just like any other hitter. Those 3-4 at bats have a much bigger chance of hurting you in the AL than the NL.

This isn't fantasy baseball... Brandon Inge isn't a catcher. And you can't count both Lopez and Fasano as Fasano wouldn't be playing if Lopez hadn't gone down... so 4 NL catchers... versus 5 AL catchers.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya I was looking at the stats in yahoo and didnt mean to put Inge down.

I think both the Orioles catchers should be included since they've both started on a consistent basis at one point or another this season.

[Illmatic]

Oh right... So the extra 3-4 mph he has on his fastball this year compared to last year has nothing to do with it...

He's battled arm problems the past few years in Boston. It's possible that they've cleared up, and it's possible that he tweaked his delivery to add some velocity to his fastball. You can't possibly think that he's on steroids...he's like, 175 pounds.

[ikikdababy]

Ya I was looking at the stats in yahoo and didnt mean to put Inge down.

I think both the Orioles catchers should be included since they've both started on a consistent basis at one point or another this season.

but the orioles can't start two catchers every game... so they can't both affect opposing pitchers which is what we're talking about...

[ikikdababy]

He's battled arm problems the past few years in Boston. It's possible that they've cleared up, and it's possible that he tweaked his delivery to add some velocity to his fastball. You can't possibly think that he's on steroids...he's like, 175 pounds.

wtf are you talking about? who said anything about steroids?

pedro is healthy and more importantly he's happy. that's why he's pitching well. he's always been a prima donna and when he's pissy, his pitching suffers.

he REgained the 3-4 mph... it's where used to hit on the radar gun... you know, back when he was the most dominant pitcher in baseball.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I know, but one of those two catchers is going to be getting those 3-4 at bats.

Its really not that big a deal. I think the league switch plays a role in it, you dont. Fair enough.

[ikikdababy]

I know, but one of those two catchers is going to be getting those 3-4 at bats.


Right. One of those catchers is going to get those at-bats... so one should count.


Its really not that big a deal. I think the league switch plays a role in it, you dont. Fair enough.

I don't?


I never said there wasn't a difference. I said that the guy who thought it would be a good idea make a case for it out of Javier Vazquez and the Yank's pitching staff is categorically wrong.

[Illmatic]

wtf are you talking about? who said anything about steroids?

pedro is healthy and more importantly he's happy. that's why he's pitching well. he's always been a prima donna and when he's pissy, his pitching suffers.

he REgained the 3-4 mph... it's where used to hit on the radar gun... you know, back when he was the most dominant pitcher in baseball.

Ohhh.

But you have to admit, going from one of the most hitter-friendly parks in the league to one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in the league has had SOMETHING to do with it.

[ikikdababy]

And I do... And I have from the get-go... But people who dismiss the fact that he has old stuff back are ignorant... and I like to point that out to them.

[robo2448]

I think you underestimate the pressure involved in playing for the Yankees. But just so you know, Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright aren't good pitchers and Kevin Brown hasn't been healthy in years. Johnson's problem has been ****ty mechanics... He's been straightening up too soon and not keeping his arm slot consistent. The result has been that his slider has lost most of its movement... Sliders that don't move are just slow fastballs.

Vazquez is doing great with Arizona, huh? Is it his pedestrian 7-6 record, or his ugly 4.53 ERA that led you to that conclusion? He should be doing well playing for the best team in the weakest division in baseball... but he isn't...


Pedro is thriving in NY because he's happy again. He's out there having fun and he's regained some of his old velocity. You give way too much credit to the league switches...

Ok, I live in NY, I watch every Yankee game, believe me, I understand the pressure of playing in NY. Next, Pavano and Wright are both good pitchers. Pavano pitched great last year and I don't want to hear the crap about playing in a pitcher's park because he actually pitched better on the road. Wright has been good when healthy, and early this year, in his few healthy starts, was pretty bad. Brown was good in 2003 with the Dodgers, and in 2004, before he got hurt, was nowhere near the pitcher that he was in the NL. You can't underestimate the DH in the AL.

I didn't give very good examples though, since Stottlemyre is the worst pitching coach in baseball and can screw almost any pitcher up.

And I don't think Maddux, Pedro, and Johnson can touch Clemens. Maddux has not been quite as dominant for as long a time, and has spent his entire career in the NL. Pedro has had one of the most dominating 5 year stretch ever, but did nothing until '97, and I highly doubt that he will be as durable and last as long as Clemens. Johnson took a while to become a "pitcher" and so he hasn't done it as long as Clemens either. Clemens owns all 3 in longevity and has had stretches which were just as dominant as any of them.

[theclash91]

Sammy Sosa
Ha. good luck with that :p

[mattmackenzie]

ok....fer a pitcher id have to sat Dontrelle Willis.. for overall player i would say derek jeter just bcuz he does all of his plays clean and hes a clutch hitter.

[PepsiMetal]

Albert Pujols by ****ing far. He can hit pretty much any ball thrown at him. I like how he hits those low splitters intro Homeruns. That guy is a monster. He has like 150+ homeruns in his career and has only played like 5 years. He'll reach barry bonds probably and he'll do it without Steroids. ahah barry on steroids.

[red barchetta]

i'm being old skool and say Babe Ruth is the best.

[Illmatic]

Clemens owns all 3 in longevity and has had stretches which were just as dominant as any of them.

Wrong.

From 1997 through 2002 (at least 1997 through 2000), Pedro was probably the most dominant pitcher of all time, both statistically and in terms of pure stuff.

Next, Pavano and Wright are both good pitchers. Pavano pitched great last year and I don't want to hear the crap about playing in a pitcher's park because he actually pitched better on the road. Wright has been good when healthy, and early this year, in his few healthy starts, was pretty bad.

Also wrong. Pavano is probably average at best, and Wright isn't even as good as Pavano. Yeah, Pavano pitched well last year. In a contract year. And Wright's had one good year, in Atlanta in a contract year. None of them is really all that good, and they're being exposed this year (as if they haven't been exposed in the past already).

[Mute Print]

Also wrong. Pavano is probably average at best, and Wright isn't even as good as Pavano. Yeah, Pavano pitched well last year. In a contract year. And Wright's had one good year, in Atlanta in a contract year. None of them is really all that good, and they're being exposed this year (as if they haven't been exposed in the past already).
Agreed. Pavano and Wright both pitched in the NL East last year, and each has only really had one above average season. Now that they are in the AL East, powerhouses like the Boston Red Sox, and to a lesser extent, the Baltimore Orioles are exposing weaknesses. IMO it is a lot more difficult to be a pitcher in the AL East, than almost any other division. Having to face hitters like Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Alex Rodriguez, and Miguel Tejada 19 times a year is a difficult challenge for an exceptional pitcher, let alone an average one.

[Mr. Hankie]

This is hard............Bonds lacks speed, and because of *COUGH*roids*COUGH* I wouldn't vote for him. Lee is having a great season.......iono, I got to say Arod or Vlad. Sure Vlad swings at everything, but he hits it, and thats an art to hit sh t.

[jungleman90]

Best Hitter, Albert Pujols. But best all around player is Derek Jeter. Theres no guy Id rather have on my team. You can argue about his stats, but do you see Tejada or Pujols hitting clutch homeruns in the world series? Or diving in the stands to make a catch? Or cutting off a short thrown ball and throwing out Jeremy Giambi?

[WinOrDieTrying12]

Sammy Sosa

Sammy Sosa? OMFG! He sucks. He sucked late on the Cubs and he still sucks on the O's. He blows with the O's. HahA! Thats a good one!

He blows with the O's. :thumb:

[emosukscock44]

Right now Sammy Sosa is not at the piek of his career ever since the corky accident he has been literally falling down hill no one has liked him and he is a cocky *** hole.

Guess who winordietrying12:D

[The Clash]

Vlad!!!

[The Clash]

Sammy Sosa? OMFG! He bites the turkey. He sucked late on the Cubs and he still bites the turkey on the O's. He blows with the O's. HahA! Thats a good one!

He blows with the O's. :thumb:


Notice Sammys not gettin the HR's like he used to........

erm,erm,steroids!,erm :thumb:

[emosukscock44]

Notice Sammys not gettin the HR's like he used to........

erm,erm,steroids!,erm :thumb:

Sammy is not gettin HRs because first of all he sucks and he lacks respect for the game. Nobody is even cheering for him to get a hr not unless they despretly need HR. If I saw sammy id kick his big dominican *** back to the republic major field goal. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[MattMan999]

That made no sense at all

[Red Stripe]

Notice Sammys not gettin the HR's like he used to........

erm,erm,steroids!,erm :thumb:
You can tell, he used to be completely ripped, his arms were bulging out of his shirt, now, he's far from it.

[MattMan999]

I never liked him. But I do give him props for tying for 5th on the all time HR list

[fedroger]

Ichiro is great, but only hits singles. Not a tremendous threat. Last year he had a record 262 hits, but only had 101 runs, 24 doubles(not a lot), and 5 triples(also not very many). Steals a lot though.

Pujols-with an injured Bonds-is the best in the NL.
Maybe A-rod in the AL. Personally. I would take Jeter over him, He knows how to bring home the hardware! No, I'm not a Yankees fan, but I only give props.

Bonds is the most intimidating player when he's healthy. Needs the ring though.

[MattMan999]

How could you say Jeter is better then A-rod? A-rod is way better then Jeter and has way more time on the highlight reels.

[Red Stripe]

That's not all of being a good player. I've heard Jeter is better in the clubhouse, hes the captain and A-Rod sucks in clutch situations. They're both really good fielders, and both smart players, A-Rod has more power, and both have great contact. I don't know who has the edge.

[MattMan999]

Well, A-rod did have that clutch hit against Schilling in the Boston-Yankees showdown. But that was only one time I recall.

[HTLSM]

any body see a-rods numbers for him turning 30 thats impressive

[ZEROthirtythree]

I would have to say A-rod or Vlad.

I want to say Tejada though. But I think there are better "players"

Everyone would love to have a tejada on their team though. He is the best team player I have ever seen. The movtivation he gives to everyone on the team is unmatched. He never sits down by himself when on the bench. He is up and talking to each and every teamate of his. He is always the first one to congratulate and celebrate his teamates.

[Alk3]

Right now it's Derek Lee.
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[Bam-CKY-H.I.M.]

Chipper Jones.

[wwb27]

roger clemens he strikes guys out and look at his era

[dimenwylde22]

roger clemens he strikes guys out and look at his era

If we are looking for best player it should be someone that is very athletic.
And pitchers are not athletes.

Yes they do think alot and have alot of startigy But by no means thay are athletic.

[wwb27]

If we are looking for best player it should be someone that is very athletic.
And pitchers are not athletes.

Yes they do think alot and have alot of startigy But by no means thay are athletic.

this guy is a future hall of famer and look at the numbers he puts up and ive seen him hit and he is not bad, he dominates most of these "athletic players" so yes i think he is the best in the mlb.

[Steve DeBerg]

Pujols.

[IsItLuck?]

Derrek Lee only had one good year so far and thats this year, other years before this he had the same numbers he has now but through 150+ games but

ALBERT PUJOLS has had over 120 RBIs all his years of playing so far and 34+ HRs

Derrek Lee had under 100 RBIs all his years of playing and over 30 homeruns just 2 times and it was only 31 & 32 HRs in his career.


Oh and Alex Rodriguez is easily second on my list.

As for pitchers probably Clemens, Smoltz, or Halladay

[MattMan999]

I think Frank Thomas......even tho he's out for the rest of the season. Right after he got back off the DL he mase an impact........he put up impressive #s for the short period of time he was back.

[Illmatic]

ALBERT PUJOLS is also a bit of a defensive liability.

[MattMan999]

Isnt Manny Ramirez one of the worst defensive players out there?

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think Frank Thomas......even tho he's out for the rest of the season. Right after he got back off the DL he mase an impact........he put up impressive #s for the short period of time he was back.

As much as I like Frank.....no. Sure he hit homeruns after coming off the DL, but thats about all he did. He was batting .220 or something.

If this thread was made 10 or 12 years ago, Frank Thomas would have a pretty good case for best player in the league.

[MattMan999]

It doesnt matter anyways......he's already back on the DL and out for the rest of the season.

[HTLSM]

Ichiro is great, but only hits singles. Not a tremendous threat. Last year he had a record 262 hits, but only had 101 runs, 24 doubles(not a lot), and 5 triples(also not very many). Steals a lot though.

Pujols-with an injured Bonds-is the best in the NL.
Maybe A-rod in the AL. Personally. I would take Jeter over him, He knows how to bring home the hardware! No, I'm not a Yankees fan, but I only give props.

Bonds is the most intimidating player when he's healthy. Needs the ring though.
well Ichiro isnt on the greatest team to begin with.

[HTLSM]

Isnt Manny Ramirez one of the worst defensive players out there?
yea he sucks at defense

[MattMan999]

The Mariners should be a good team tho..........they have alot of all stars on the team.

[HTLSM]

i'm being old skool and say Babe Ruth is the best.
CURRENT

[MattMan999]

CURRENT

He's an idiot......

[HTLSM]

The Mariners should be a good team tho..........they have alot of all stars on the team.
yea ok :amaze:

[MattMan999]

yea ok :amaze:

They do.........Ichiro, Beltre, Sexson.....

[HTLSM]

1b Albert Pujols
2b Craig Biggio
3b A-rod (soon to be David Wright)
ss Miguel Tejada
LF Miguel Cabrera
CF Johnny Damon (suprisingly He will eventually get 3000 hits)
RF Vlad Guerrero
DH David Ortiz
SP Pedro Martinez
SP Rodger Clemens
SP Barry Zito (despite the numbers)
RP Mariano Rivera
RP K-Rod

[HTLSM]

They do.........Ichiro, Beltre, Sexson.....
Beltre was a one year wonder sexson is better then beltre

[HTLSM]

The Mariners also have no pitching

[MattSharpIsCool]

Beltre had one good season. I knew he'd have a huge fall-off this season. Last season was a contract year, he got his big bucks, so now he can fall back to his normal self.

The Mariners have no pitching whatsoever. Its hard to win when your best pitcher is a very-past-his-prime Jamie Moyer.

Not to mention, other than those 3 players you mentioned, they're very thin. I dont even know who their left fielder, 2nd baseman, or DH is.

[HTLSM]

He's an idiot......
only somtimes

[HTLSM]

Beltre had one good season. I knew he'd have a huge fall-off this season. Last season was a contract year, he got his big bucks, so now he can fall back to his normal self.

The Mariners have no pitching whatsoever. Its hard to win when your best pitcher is a very-past-his-prime Jamie Moyer.

Not to mention, other than those 3 players you mentioned, they're very thin. I dont even know who their left fielder, 2nd baseman, or DH is.
yes sir

[MattSharpIsCool]

1b Albert Pujols
2b Craig Biggio
3b A-rod (soon to be David Wright)
ss Miguel Tejada
LF Miguel Cabrera
CF Johnny Damon (suprisingly He will eventually get 3000 hits)
RF Vlad Guerrero
DH David Ortiz
SP Pedro Martinez
SP Rodger Clemens
SP Barry Zito (despite the numbers)
RP Mariano Rivera
RP K-Rod

Over Barry Bonds? Maybe even Manny Ramirez? Miggy is good, but I dont know if he's the best leftfielder in the league just yet.

[HTLSM]

Over Barry Bonds? Maybe even Manny Ramirez? Miggy is good, but I dont know if he's the best leftfielder in the league just yet.
i would of picked bonds but is still dont like the steroid deal so im anti bonds sounds kinda dumb but steroids are ruinning baseball

[wwb27]

1b Albert Pujols
2b Craig Biggio
3b A-rod (soon to be David Wright)
ss Miguel Tejada
LF Miguel Cabrera
CF Johnny Damon (suprisingly He will eventually get 3000 hits)
RF Vlad Guerrero
DH David Ortiz
SP Pedro Martinez
SP Rodger Clemens
SP Barry Zito (despite the numbers)
RP Mariano Rivera
RP K-Rod

I agree except i think Mark Buehrle should be one of the pitchers.
David Wright=The MLB's Future

[HTLSM]

I agree except i think Mark Buehrle should be one of the pitchers.
David Wright=The MLB's Future
meh

[MattSharpIsCool]

David Wright is the ****.

You forgot a catcher on your list, I just noticed that. I'd say Jason Varitek, soon to be Joe Mauer in the not too distant future.

[BassRevelation1029]

chipper jones :amaze:

[MattMan999]

chipper jones :amaze:

??????????

[HTLSM]

chipper jones :amaze:
are you kidding me

[HTLSM]

David Wright is the ****.

You forgot a catcher on your list, I just noticed that. I'd say Jason Varitek, soon to be Joe Mauer in the not too distant future.
haha yea i agree with you

[MattMan999]

I agree except i think Mark Buehrle should be one of the pitchers.
David Wright=The MLB's Future

Buerle is awesome! He's my favorite pitcher!

[joshuawwauhsoj]

C- Ivan Rodriguez
1b- Albert Pujols
2b- Craig Biggio/Alfonso Soriano
3b- Alex Rodriguez
ss- Miguel Tejada
lf- Barry Bonds
cf- Ken Griffey
rf- Gary Sheffield
dh- David Ortiz
sp- Roger Clemens
rp- Mariano Rivera

[MattMan999]

2b- Craig Biggio/Alfonso Soriano

Definetly Alfonso Soriano

[BassRevelation1029]

are you kidding me
pretty much. He is my favorite though.

Id go with pujous.

[MattMan999]

I thought you said Chipper?!?!?

[HTLSM]

Definetly Alfonso Soriano
Soriano strikes out to much

[MattMan999]

He's still better then the other guy.....I forgot who he mentioned......Bagwell?

[HTLSM]

He's still better then the other guy.....I forgot who he mentioned......Bagwell?
Bagwell? he plays first base

[MattMan999]

Bagwell? he plays first base

I said I wasnt sure..........

[HTLSM]

I said I wasnt sure..........
meh

[HTLSM]

Best Players AL
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Miguel Tejada
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Johnny Damon
RF Vlad Guerrero
SP Barry Zito
RP K-Rod
Overal Team- Athletics and White Sox

Best Players NL
C Paul La Duca
1B Albert Pujols
2B Craig Biggio
3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Jose Reyes (surprisingly good)
LF Barry Bonds (Miguel Cabrera when Bonds Retires if he doesnt move to third base)
CF Andruw Jones
RF Moises Alou
SP Pedro Martinez and Rodger Clemens
RP Brad Lidge
Overal Team- Cardinals Mets (i wish) and Braves

[MattMan999]

Did you say (I wish) about the Mets?

[HTLSM]

Did you say (I wish) about the Mets?
yes sir

[MattSharpIsCool]

3B Aramis Ramirez
SS Jose Reyes (surprisingly good)


Ramirez over Scott Rolen? Hmm.....I dont know. They're pretty even offensively, but Rolen has a huge advantage defensively. This season though, ya, its gotta be Ramirez since Rolen has been hurt.

And I'm sorry, but I cant agree with Reyes at all. He's a leadoff hitter with an on base percentage under .300....and up until this little hitting streak, he was batting in the .260's. Give me Felipe Lopez, Rafael Furcal, Jimmy Rolllins, or even David Eckstein over Jose Reyes anytime.

Sorry if it seems like I'm dogging you on your lists everytime you post one, I'm not meaning to.

[MattMan999]

I like Aramis, even tho I hate the Cubs.

[HTLSM]

Ramirez over Scott Rolen? Hmm.....I dont know. They're pretty even offensively, but Rolen has a huge advantage defensively. This season though, ya, its gotta be Ramirez since Rolen has been hurt.

And I'm sorry, but I cant agree with Reyes at all. He's a leadoff hitter with an on base percentage under .300....and up until this little hitting streak, he was batting in the .260's. Give me Felipe Lopez, Rafael Furcal, Jimmy Rolllins, or even David Eckstein over Jose Reyes anytime.

Sorry if it seems like I'm dogging you on your lists everytime you post one, I'm not meaning to.
Rolen hasnt done anything good since before his injory he never going to be the same rolen he once was and check reyes's numbers again

[HTLSM]

the only one on that who might be better then reyes is Rollins

[Endless Obsession]

[QUOTE=HTLSM]Best Players AL
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Miguel Tejada
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Johnny Damon
RF Vlad Guerrero
SP Barry Zito
RP Mariano Rivera
Overal Team- Red Sox :upset: :upset: (yankee fan)

Best Players NL
C Paul La Duca
1B Albert Pujols
2B Jeff Kent
3B Scott Rolen
SS Cesar Izturis
LF Barry Bonds
CF Andruw Jones
RF Bobby Abreu
SP Pedro Martinez and Rodger Clemens
RP Eric Gagne
Overal Team- Cardinals

[MattMan999]

Why did you highlight some of the people?

[HTLSM]

[QUOTE=HTLSM]Best Players AL
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Mark Teixeira
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Miguel Tejada
LF Manny Ramirez
CF Johnny Damon
RF Vlad Guerrero
SP Barry Zito
RP Mariano Rivera
Overal Team- Red Sox :upset: :upset: (yankee fan)

Best Players NL
C Paul La Duca
1B Albert Pujols
2B Jeff Kent
3B Scott Rolen
SS Cesar Izturis
LF Barry Bonds
CF Andruw Jones
RF Bobby Abreu
SP Pedro Martinez and Rodger Clemens
RP Eric Gagne
Overal Team- Cardinals
hmmm i cant agree Eric Gagne or Cesar Izturis

[MattMan999]

hmmm i cant agree Eric Gagne or Cesar Izturis

Me too.

[Illmatic]

In the NL, who is a better closer?

[MattMan999]

I like Cordero.......just because he has around 35 saves.

[Illmatic]

So based on four months, Chad Cordero is better?

[MattMan999]

Thats just what I'm saying.........What do you think????

[Illmatic]

I'm going to go with Gagne's three years of excellence.

[MattMan999]

Yea, but it sucks he's on the DL.......

[MattSharpIsCool]

Rolen hasnt done anything good since before his injory he never going to be the same rolen he once was and check reyes's numbers again

Ok, Reyes' numbers:

.277 average, .301 OBP, 3 homers, 45 RBI, 34 steals, 67 runs scored

Not too bad, I agree he is one of the better NL shortstops, but not the best by any means. He's a leadoff hitter, so OBP is probably his most important stat, and its atrocious. One month ago, he was batting .254 and had an OBP of .277, thats before his hitting streak. Eventually the streak will end, and I have a feeling his numbers will fall back.

Compare with some other leadoff hitters...

Ichiro Suzuki: .303 average, .347 OBP (.379 career), 9 homers, 42 RBI, 24 steals, 74 runs scored

Scott Podsednik: .287 average, .354 OBP, 0 homers, 18 RBI, 52 steals, 58 runs scored

Rafael Furcal: .274 average, .333 OBP, 9 homers, 38 RBI, 32 steals, 64 runs scored

Jimmy Rollins: .282 average, .323 OBP, 8 homers, 31 RBI, 24 steals, 71 runs scored

David Eckstein: .267 average, .346 OBP, 4 homers, 34 RBI, 7 steals, 55 runs scored

Chone Figgins: .287 average, .341 OBP, 5 homers, 36 RBI, 37 steals, 76 runs scored

Brady Clark: .324 average, .384 OBP, 9 homers, 40 RBI, 9 steals, 75 runs scored

Brian Roberts: .324 average, .399 OBP, 16 homers, 57 RBI, 20 steals, 64 runs scored

Derek Jeter: .303 average, .384 OBP, 12 homers, 43 RBI, 10 steals, 79 runs scored

Johnny Damon: .338 average, .385 OBP, 8 homers, 52 RBI, 11 steals, 85 runs scored.....best leadoff hitter in the league.

Reyes is only 22....give him a few more years.

[MattMan999]

Reyes will bloom soon.......

[Illmatic]

Johnny Damon: .338 BA, .385 OBP, 29 2B, 5 3B, 8 HR, 85 runs scored, 11 SB

EDIT: MattSharp picked up on it...

[ThePatient]

Best closer in the NL: Billy Wagner

Its a shame really that he has to close for the Phillies, who haven't done much closing this year.

--And Brad Lidge is 2nd

[Illmatic]

Sheesh, hatin' on Gagne.

[ThePatient]

Billy Wagner has just been way too good for far too long to overlook him in favor of three years of Gagne. And Lidge just got it done in the playoffs.

[MattSharpIsCool]

If I could pick any closer in the league, and Mariano Rivera was already taken, Eric Gagne would be my pick. You could make a case for him being the most completely dominating closer in league history.

Wagner is good, but he's had a long history of injuries.

I'm surprised no one has at least given Trevor Hoffman a mention....he has the third most saves ever.

[MattMan999]

Wagner is good, but he's had a long history of injuries.

Billy Wagner is fast......but I do like Gagne better.....

[HTLSM]

Ok, Reyes' numbers:

.277 average, .301 OBP, 3 homers, 45 RBI, 34 steals, 67 runs scored

Not too bad, I agree he is one of the better NL shortstops, but not the best by any means. He's a leadoff hitter, so OBP is probably his most important stat, and its atrocious. One month ago, he was batting .254 and had an OBP of .277, thats before his hitting streak. Eventually the streak will end, and I have a feeling his numbers will fall back.

Compare with some other leadoff hitters...

Ichiro Suzuki: .303 average, .347 OBP (.379 career), 9 homers, 42 RBI, 24 steals, 74 runs scored

Scott Podsednik: .287 average, .354 OBP, 0 homers, 18 RBI, 52 steals, 58 runs scored

Rafael Furcal: .274 average, .333 OBP, 9 homers, 38 RBI, 32 steals, 64 runs scored

Jimmy Rollins: .282 average, .323 OBP, 8 homers, 31 RBI, 24 steals, 71 runs scored

David Eckstein: .267 average, .346 OBP, 4 homers, 34 RBI, 7 steals, 55 runs scored

Chone Figgins: .287 average, .341 OBP, 5 homers, 36 RBI, 37 steals, 76 runs scored

Brady Clark: .324 average, .384 OBP, 9 homers, 40 RBI, 9 steals, 75 runs scored

Brian Roberts: .324 average, .399 OBP, 16 homers, 57 RBI, 20 steals, 64 runs scored

Derek Jeter: .303 average, .384 OBP, 12 homers, 43 RBI, 10 steals, 79 runs scored

Johnny Damon: .338 average, .385 OBP, 8 homers, 52 RBI, 11 steals, 85 runs scored.....best leadoff hitter in the league.

Reyes is only 22....give him a few more years.
reyes is on an 18 game hit street and has i tyhink the 5th most hits in the NL
top 10 in ML and has the most runs scored out of those hitters despite the obp he is the best ss out of that group

[MattMan999]

I dont think so.......

[HTLSM]

yea now hes on a 19 game hit streak batting 280

[MattMan999]

yea now hes on a 19 game hit streak batting 280

Who cares....Mets still blow!

[Illmatic]

Who cares....Mets still blow!

You're easily one of the dumbest people to grace this forum.

[MattMan999]

You're easily one of the dumbest people to grace this forum.

How does that make me dumb.....they arent that good and thats my opinion..... so be quiet.

[Kurtz]

How does that make me dumb.....they arent that good and thats my opinion..... so be quiet.
Even if you didn't post that, you're still one of the dumbest, Mr. WinOrDieTrying.

[helloohello]

pujols and lee.

[MattMan999]

Even if you didn't post that, you're still one of the dumbest, Mr. WinOrDieTrying.

How many times do I have to tell you guys that was my brother...... and yes he is dumb....

[Illmatic]

How does that make me dumb.....they arent that good and thats my opinion..... so be quiet.

No, it's that you haven't made a single good post ever.

It's either "It doesnt matter they suck" or "White Sox rule dude"

[Kurtz]

How many times do I have to tell you guys that was my brother...... and yes he is dumb....
Tell that to the tourists.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9044017&postcount=59

Now you're an idiot and a liar.

[MattMan999]

Tell that to the tourists.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9044017&postcount=59

Now you're an idiot and a liar.

Yea, my brother went on my account and sed all that ****...so i went on his and changed the password....so dont call me a liar bitch....

[Kurtz]

Yea, my brother went on my account and sed all that ****...so i went on his and changed the password....so dont call me a liar bitch....
You're an excellent liar.

So convincing.

[MattMan999]

You're an excellent liar.

So convincing.

w/e

[HTLSM]

You're easily one of the dumbest people to grace this forum.
yea he is

[SocalJoker89]

Derek lee