Dinosaurs Compatible With Christianity? [Archive] - Page 4

Volumnius Flush

07-11-2005, 07:13 PM

There are parts that aren't meant to be taken literally. As to which ones they are, I am not sure, but there are a ton of scriptures that do indeed warrant a literal a translation. As a very basic example, the Ten Commandments.

"You shall not murder." 'Hey, that must be like...a metaphor...for like....not disposing of another life...or something...'

There are very many stories in the Bible that Jesus spoke that of course are metaphorical or use similie. The basic words behind reaping what you sow is given metaphorically in terms of a farmer sowing his fields, where that could easily be interpereted into investing or being kind to people. Either way, it isn't fully literal or fully metaphorical.

I just can't get around the fact that metaphors are simply lies with a bit of truth mixed in. I could give an example, but I'll say this instead. If a day is a metaphor, then would that not mean from a literal translation that the Bible lies? I am open to a day being literally interpreted as an unspecified amount of time but I definately don't believe that. There is also a verse somewhere that says the Bible doesn't lie. I don't know the verse and could be totally wrong. But if it's there, and the Bible in a literal interpretation has some falsity to it, then should you take this verse as a metaphor?

I feel obliged to tell you it was a priest whom I highly respect who first got me on to thinking that parts of the bible aren't meant to be taken literally.

I respect that. If my pastor, who I believe to be a very smart person, tells me I'm a quack, I'll think about quitting the disbelief in dinosaurs.

Simon__Thats_All

07-11-2005, 07:21 PM

hitchface2001

07-11-2005, 08:29 PM

I just can't get around the fact that metaphors are simply lies with a bit of truth mixed in. I could give an example, but I'll say this instead. If a day is a metaphor, then would that not mean from a literal translation that the Bible lies? I am open to a day being literally interpreted as an unspecified amount of time but I definately don't believe that. There is also a verse somewhere that says the Bible doesn't lie. I don't know the verse and could be totally wrong. But if it's there, and the Bible in a literal interpretation has some falsity to it, then should you take this verse as a metaphor?

Well the reason people (for the most part) believe that a day is equal to many years in Genesis is because later in the Bible, in Acts or Revelations, it says that in Heaven, a day is like a thousand years on earth, or at least something similar. In this case it is a similie, though the principle is the same.

The verses in the Bible referring to it being the truth are scattered, albeit many. Even in the intro to every Bible they will state that they are truth. This is something that I have full confidence in, and when people claim to have contradictions, I seek out a different interperetation that they may have overlooked. A good exercise is to find websites that list contradictions and research them until your find out what they missed. For instance, there has been a ton of debate over who Joseph's real father was. Upon investigation (and this is my final answer....hopefully) I found that Heli and Jacob were brothers, and Biblically speaking when a man dies, his brother must marry the widowed and bare children for them. Therefore, it is entirely probable that they were both the father of Joseph. I presume that you see the point I am getting at. All it takes is a little bit of looking in to.

Simon__Thats_All

07-12-2005, 02:01 AM

I didn't read anything in Acts or Revelations about it, I just thought up the theory myself and thought I was REALLY clever :lol: obviously I'm not.

I thought there was something in Leviticus saying you're not meant to marry your dead brothers wife... but I just read it and can't find it so I'm asuming you're right.

hitchface2001

07-12-2005, 08:15 AM

Hive

07-12-2005, 08:31 AM

I can't believe this thread is still going :lol:

Simon__Thats_All

07-12-2005, 08:36 AM

I can't do it right now, but I will go and find the verse for you. I cannot remember exactly where it is, but its there.
Don't bother, unless you really want to, because I believe you as it is :p

-Obscurity-

07-12-2005, 10:01 AM

Dinosaurs obviously existed. This is a fact, insurmounatable evidence exists such as skeletons, fossil fuels, and prehistoric remnants.

We don't now how long a "day" was to God (as discussed already). Scientifically, there was many periods of time such as the Mesozoic, Triassic, Jurassic, etc. These could have been these such "days".

Science even points to a vanishing point amongst the dinosaurs (extinction), due to an uncertain event. Theories arose such as an ice age, meteor strike, etc. The great flood in Genesis however, would clearly be another possibility. This would explain why only sea-faring dinosaurs from that time period survived. Deep-sea is still a bit of an unknown to us, but they have found things such as prehistoric fish and giant squids still living in the deepest parts of the ocean that we can physically explore. Even the Loch ness monster is beleived to be a surviving prehistoric creature(s).

Futue te Ipsum

07-12-2005, 10:04 AM

I can't believe this thread is still going :lol:

I know! A virtual house of intellectual growth and discussion indeed...

eCow

07-12-2005, 12:49 PM

Dinosaurs existed...There are so many remains of them....how would you explain the bones/fossils that so many archeologists have found? the work of satan? No.

Dragons may have also existed, but that is for another thread...

Smokey D

07-12-2005, 06:24 PM

Science even points to a vanishing point amongst the dinosaurs (extinction), due to an uncertain event. Theories arose such as an ice age, meteor strike, etc. The great flood in Genesis however, would clearly be another possibility. This would explain why only sea-faring dinosaurs from that time period survived. Deep-sea is still a bit of an unknown to us, but they have found things such as prehistoric fish and giant squids still living in the deepest parts of the ocean that we can physically explore. Even the Loch ness monster is beleived to be a surviving prehistoric creature(s).

Rubbish. Deep-sea reptiles, for the most part, did not survive the extinction event. If they did, we would have things with mouths bigger than most whales swimming around down there.

Curiously, reptiles like the crocodile, turtles and tortises did survive. Only one of them constitutes 'deep-sea' though.

Volumnius Flush

07-12-2005, 06:29 PM

I know! A virtual house of intellectual growth and discussion indeed...

You are a virtual house of intellectual growth and discussion. Indeed!

GimmeSlack12

07-12-2005, 09:55 PM

You are a virtual house of intellectual growth and discussion. Indeed!
Yeah, to the point of just being ridiculous.
Everyone just keeps rephrasing what the other guy said and then some. Kinda like a game of telephone, slowly distorting everything.

Isn't this a poll?????

Volumnius Flush

07-12-2005, 10:11 PM

Yeah, to the point of just being ridiculous.
Everyone just keeps rephrasing what the other guy said and then some. Kinda like a game of telephone, slowly distorting everything.

Isn't this a poll?????

You are correct. I had the poll closed a while ago. I put a five day limit on it. I just keep getting flamed. You can't believe anything Christian or Republican in nature without getting flamed.

Trivium

07-12-2005, 10:38 PM

and for good reason

Simon__Thats_All

07-13-2005, 12:30 AM

You are correct. I had the poll closed a while ago. I put a five day limit on it. I just keep getting flamed. You can't believe anything Christian or Republican in nature without getting flamed.
It's not that you're believing soemthing "christian or Republican," it's because you're making a statement that you have no way of backing up. I, along with a bunch of other people, offered you theories to support the existence of dinosaurs in conjunction with the bible and Christianity, to try and help you, but you wouldn't take it in. That was your choice.

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 12:33 AM

It's not that you're believing soemthing "christian or Republican," it's because you're making a statement that you have no way of backing up. I, along with a bunch of other people, offered you theories to support the existence of dinosaurs in conjunction with the bible and Christianity, to try and help you, but you wouldn't take it in. That was your choice.

It's the conspiracy. In your own words you say 'I, along with a bunch of other people'. Is this your way of making me conform so I can be but a sheep among the flock? I guess you want everyone to be as brain-washed as you lot are.

Simon__Thats_All

07-13-2005, 12:58 AM

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 01:02 AM

I said "I, along with a bunch of other people" because there are so many of us giving you evidence to help you see their existence whilse still believing in the bible. OK, I can't stand this anymore. I can only believe now that you're nothing more than someone sitting at home having a laugh while you try to push our buttons.

I found this to be amusing:

Is this your way of making me conform so I can be but a sheep among the flock? I guess you want everyone to be as brain-washed as you lot are.
/quote

:lol: Please address this. I would like to hear an equally as eloquent response.

Futue te Ipsum

07-13-2005, 01:18 AM

You are a virtual house of intellectual growth and discussion. Indeed!

I'm a lot more intelligent than you ;)

Simon__Thats_All

07-13-2005, 01:26 AM

I found this to be amusing:

Is this your way of making me conform so I can be but a sheep among the flock? I guess you want everyone to be as brain-washed as you lot are.
/quote

:lol: Please address this. I would like to hear an equally as eloquent response.
I'm not trying to make you be like the "flock," unless by the "flock" you mean people who aren't retarded. I'm trying to educate you and make you understand. We are not brainwashed. No one brainwashed me. I formed my opinions myself. You sir, are brainwashed. Brainwashed by your own stupidity.

Now, it may not be as elequant as yours, but I don't care.

the_uber_penguin

07-13-2005, 02:42 AM

Let's not degenerate into random insults, children.

As far as we're getting brainwashed is concerned: I was taught evolutionary theory by a biology teacher who was strongly creationist. She did not believe in evolution; she believed the earth is only 4,000-5,000 years old.

However, despite a heavy bias, I was encouraged to make up my own mind (and was nudged towards the creationist view). In the end, I looked at the facts before me, I looked at things I'd seen in the Natural History Museum and in respected books and I made up my own mind.

What I saw was a wealth of evidence supporting evolutionary theory and the existance of dinosaurs and a theory based on one book, intended to educate people morally.

I chose to follow the belief that dinosaurs exist and that evolution happens: yes, evolutionary theory may have gaps in it, and it may have anomalies, but the same can be said for the Bible, and the Bible wasn't written as a "This is how it is. Period!" book, it was written as a guide as to the way people should lead their life.

When these creationists see gaps in evolutionary theory, they pounce on them and say "Hah! We proved you wrong!". No! Almost all scientific theories have gaps (even in gravitational theory, we don't know how it behaves over massively huge, or massively small distances) and the aim of science is to close these gaps.

By writing off a theory for having these gaps, we are writing off the whole basis behind science.

Creationism, we should bear in mind, is not free of gaps either: does it explain the existance of very badly design, such as a cave dwelling creature, with fully formed eyes, which are covered by skin rendering them useless? Evolution does!

Remember, that evolution by natural selection has been scrutinised by sceptics for nearly 150 years now, and they have yet to find anything to prove it wrong conclusively. Creationism has only recantly started to be questioned in the past 80 years, and it isn't a scientific theory either.

chimp_spanner

07-13-2005, 02:48 AM

I found this to be amusing:

Is this your way of making me conform so I can be but a sheep among the flock? I guess you want everyone to be as brain-washed as you lot are.
/quote

:lol: Please address this. I would like to hear an equally as eloquent response.

Ha! This is wise. Man, your entire thread and every post you've made in it is "amusing". I took on your silly little dinosaur theory, I offered my view on why your young Earth theory is wrong, along with a whole bunch of other stuff. I made a point of trying to back it up with solid fact, or at least common sense. And I made a point of specifying that I wasn't aimlessly attacking religion itself.

I would very much like to hear a response from you, but I won't hold my breath because...well I know that I'm right on this and you're...um...not :amaze:

And it's funny you accuse others of being sheep. When you're the one who needs the "okay" from your pastor before you're allowed to believe anything! Gee it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck but hey...I better ask my pastor if I'm allowed to believe it's a duck. Pff.

**Real good post Uber. But I think we're trying to squeeze apple juice out of a lemon here. Still funny to see how far it will go.

Der Übermensch

07-13-2005, 05:11 AM

And it's funny you accuse others of being sheep. When you're the one who needs the "okay" from your pastor before you're allowed to believe anything! Gee it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck but hey...I better ask my pastor if I'm allowed to believe it's a duck. Pff.

I couldn't agree more...

I didn't want to post anything about that earlier, since I didn't want to be to pretentious, but I found it hilarious that he can't think for himself, but rather needs validation from his pastor about whether he can think something (Martin Luther is rolling in his grave).

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 06:40 AM

I can think without my pastor. I just want to know his understanding of dinosaur and the Creation in one accord so I can better make up my mind. I've heard plenty speakers and he's one of the best. I'm not asking permission. I'm not letting him force his beliefs down my mouth. I just want to understand his take on the situation. You atheists have nothing on me.

Let's not degenerate into random insults, children.

As far as we're getting brainwashed is concerned: I was taught evolutionary theory by a biology teacher who was strongly creationist. She did not believe in evolution; she believed the earth is only 4,000-5,000 years old.

However, despite a heavy bias, I was encouraged to make up my own mind (and was nudged towards the creationist view). In the end, I looked at the facts before me, I looked at things I'd seen in the Natural History Museum and in respected books and I made up my own mind.

What I saw was a wealth of evidence supporting evolutionary theory and the existance of dinosaurs and a theory based on one book, intended to educate people morally.

So you "made up your own mind" but strikingly, your only two options are the most obvious of choices. Scientist or Christian? You're not unique. You're not a different colored sheep. You're just like all the others. And when someone tries to have a brand of uniquity like that of mine, we get laughed at and told to get back in the pack. I'm done following the shepherd.

I'm not trying to make you be like the "flock," unless by the "flock" you mean people who aren't retarded. I'm trying to educate you and make you understand. We are not brainwashed. No one brainwashed me. I formed my opinions myself. You sir, are brainwashed. Brainwashed by your own stupidity.

Now, it may not be as elequant as yours, but I don't care.

That's mighty fine if it isn't. I just used "eloquent" for lack of a better term. It seems to me you are brainwashed. Do you believe everything these secular scientists tell you or do you form your own opinions?

I'm a lot more intelligent than you ;)

Wow. I give it up Private eye, for anyone who declares himself intellectually superior to his peer, must certainly be as proclaimed. :rolleyes:

Seriously, that's the most immature and inappropriate thing I've ever heard. Hey Private eye, I'm smarter than you, you dolt. Proved a lot there. You have nothing on me.

Cain

07-13-2005, 07:15 AM

I can think without my pastor. I just want to know his understanding of dinosaur and the Creation in one accord so I can better make up my mind. I've heard plenty speakers and he's one of the best. I'm not asking permission. I'm not letting him force his beliefs down my mouth. I just want to understand his take on the situation. You atheists have nothing on me. I'm not an atheist, I'm smarter than you.

So you "made up your own mind" but strikingly, your only two options are the most obvious of choices. Scientist or Christian? You're not unique. You're not a different colored sheep. You're just like all the others. And when someone tries to have a brand of uniquity like that of mine, we get laughed at and told to get back in the pack. I'm done following the sheep herder. Shut the hell up, all you're doing is following YOUR shephard with no rational thought saved for yourself.

That's mighty fine if it isn't. I just used "eloquent" for lack of a better term. It seems to me you are brainwashed. Do you believe everything these secular scientists tell you or do you form your own opinions? No one should have to form an opinion when there's a fact involved. Since science is based off facts, anyone who holds stock in it consequently holds stock in truth, or a search for it, rather than a close-minded, misguided belief about the truth.

Wow. I give it up Private eye, for anyone who declares himself intellectually superior to his peer, must certainly be as proclaimed. :rolleyes:

Seriously, that's the most immature and inappropriate thing I've ever heard. Hey Private eye, I'm smarter than you, you dolt. Proved a lot there. You have nothing on me.

I'm smarter than you. ;)

Werny

07-13-2005, 07:37 AM

That's mighty fine if it isn't. I just used "eloquent" for lack of a better term. It seems to me you are brainwashed. Do you believe everything these secular scientists tell you or do you form your own opinions?

...And you would rather believe about 20 guys who couldn't think of how the world was created so they created Christianity to explain it, without any proof at all, than literally millions (probably billions) of people that throught the past centuries have continuously provided proof that there has never been a God?

Ooooh no, because you read a little book that told you they're the product of Satan who is just as fake as God.

You say Dinosaurs are a hoax of Satan... since when did Satan have creative power? Didn't he create hell for a place to put sinners as the result of an agreement with God?

Another thing; My grandpa (HARDCORE Christian) says that Jesus told that other bloke next to him on a cross that if he repents he will go to heaven, and that bloke was the first person into Heaven... So some robber was the first to heaven, yet Noah who secured the future of all things good, and all of the people that preached God, went either to Hell or went "in limbo"?

And also (according to Genesis) God made animals as company for Man. Umm ok, yeah I was hanging out with a Rat Fish (mean little buggers living at the bottom of the ocean) yesterday, oh the stories we shared!

Cain

07-13-2005, 08:21 AM

...And you would rather believe about 20 guys who couldn't think of how the world was created so they created Christianity to explain it, without any proof at all, than literally millions (probably billions) of people that throught the past centuries have continuously provided proof that there has never been a God?

Ooooh no, because you read a little book that told you they're the product of Satan who is just as fake as God.

You say Dinosaurs are a hoax of Satan... since when did Satan have creative power? Didn't he create hell for a place to put sinners as the result of an agreement with God?

Another thing; My grandpa (HARDCORE Christian) says that Jesus told that other bloke next to him on a cross that if he repents he will go to heaven, and that bloke was the first person into Heaven... So some robber was the first to heaven, yet Noah who secured the future of all things good, and all of the people that preached God, went either to Hell or went "in limbo"?

And also (according to Genesis) God made animals as company for Man. Umm ok, yeah I was hanging out with a Rat Fish (mean little buggers living at the bottom of the ocean) yesterday, oh the stories we shared!

Erm....no. Polemics like this won't stop Volumnius' idiocy. Just relax.

Der Übermensch

07-13-2005, 08:26 AM

Simon__Thats_All

07-13-2005, 08:36 AM

That's mighty fine if it isn't. I just used "eloquent" for lack of a better term. It seems to me you are brainwashed. Do you believe everything these secular scientists tell you or do you form your own opinions?
Oh my God I'm so sorry dude... Honestly i really am... Had I KNOWN you were mentally retarded i would never have got so deeply in to this debate with you.

In my post that you quoted I said I form my own opinions, yet you then ask me if I form my own opinions as if you never even read what you were replying to. I am not brainwashed any more than you are open minded. I'n fact, the only thing that exceeds my non-braindwashedness is your level of arrogance. What's the point of starting a debate if you refuse to consider the opositions opinion?

Ra'

07-13-2005, 10:19 AM

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 11:18 AM

is it possible that dinousaurs did exist when humans were around ( i believe a dinousaur is mentioned in the bible,though i couldnt tell you what book). also i was thinkin that with the whole flood thing what if when the water went down it changed the enviroment in a way that is was not able to sustain the dinosours eating habits and they eventually died out. just a thought

That's very possible. It's said that the dinosaurs went on the Ark but I just can't imagine such large creatures fitting on a boat. It's hard to visualize. Yes, co-existance is the only option for the dinosaur.

Oh my God I'm so sorry dude... Honestly i really am... Had I KNOWN you were mentally retarded i would never have got so deeply in to this debate with you.

In my post that you quoted I said I form my own opinions, yet you then ask me if I form my own opinions as if you never even read what you were replying to. I am not brainwashed any more than you are open minded. I'n fact, the only thing that exceeds my non-braindwashedness is your level of arrogance. What's the point of starting a debate if you refuse to consider the opositions opinion?

That's a good question. Why won't you consider for one moment that I might be right? I already said I would jeopardize everything I said the past 2 weeks on account of what my pastor thinks of my absurdity. Why won't you just consider my opinion? :lol:

PS I'm smarter than you

I'm not an atheist, I'm smarter than you.

Shut the hell up, all you're doing is following YOUR shephard with no rational thought saved for yourself.

No one should have to form an opinion when there's a fact involved. Since science is based off facts, anyone who holds stock in it consequently holds stock in truth, or a search for it, rather than a close-minded, misguided belief about the truth.

I'm smarter than you. ;)

I'm smarter than you.

...And you would rather believe about 20 guys who couldn't think of how the world was created so they created Christianity to explain it, without any proof at all, than literally millions (probably billions) of people that throught the past centuries have continuously provided proof that there has never been a God?

Ooooh no, because you read a little book that told you they're the product of Satan who is just as fake as God.

You say Dinosaurs are a hoax of Satan... since when did Satan have creative power? Didn't he create hell for a place to put sinners as the result of an agreement with God?

Another thing; My grandpa (HARDCORE Christian) says that Jesus told that other bloke next to him on a cross that if he repents he will go to heaven, and that bloke was the first person into Heaven... So some robber was the first to heaven, yet Noah who secured the future of all things good, and all of the people that preached God, went either to Hell or went "in limbo"?

And also (according to Genesis) God made animals as company for Man. Umm ok, yeah I was hanging out with a Rat Fish (mean little buggers living at the bottom of the ocean) yesterday, oh the stories we shared!

I'm smarter than you.

Der Übermensch

07-13-2005, 12:33 PM

PS I'm smarter than you...
I'm smarter than you...
I'm smarter than you...

Seriously, you have major problems. If you can't say something constructive to the debate... don't.

-Obscurity-

07-13-2005, 12:59 PM

Rubbish. Deep-sea reptiles, for the most part, did not survive the extinction event. If they did, we would have things with mouths bigger than most whales swimming around down there.

Curiously, reptiles like the crocodile, turtles and tortises did survive. Only one of them constitutes 'deep-sea' though.

Not all deep sea reptiles are huge. I'm sure there are many things down there that we don't even know about. Take a look at these guys:

http://people.whitman.edu/%7Eyancey/astronesthes1.jpg
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/07/22/australia.squid/
http://www.parascope.com/en/cryptozoo/aquarium.htm

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 01:26 PM

Seriously, you have major problems. If you can't say something constructive to the debate... don't.

You have no business discussing this with me. I sorted it out with the ignorants who thought they were original or funny for using it on me. You know you're bull**** blaming this on me. Look back at the posts. It was Private eye who started it and when I made a somewhat average argument Cain had to throw it right back in my face. Though he didn't present a good argument, you seem to be content with his post. And notice mine wasn't strictly to proclaim my superior intellect. I said a lot more in that post. Good job NOFX. You're still wrong.

chimp_spanner

07-13-2005, 01:54 PM

You atheists have nothing on me

Who says I/we are atheists? And even if we were, we have EVERYTHING on you; in particular, an argument we can actually defend to a reasonable degree beyond;

I don't believe in evolution because it's a ****ty idea that I decided isn't real

*slow clap* Real...nice...argument.

You started this "debate" by posting something as absurd and likely to draw attention as it has. So I'm assuming you want to do just that: debate. So I ask you again, prove me wrong. Or give me a reasonable alternative to my theory beyond what you've been spoonfed by your parents/bible class/etc.

If you're unwilling/unable to read and sensibly address posts that challenge your viewpoint, then don't post it at all. At least not here.

Oh and as a side note, if you're going to put yourself up as a Christian, you might wanna work on the whole, NOT being a racist thing. Hitting black girls with brooms and lunchboxes, accusing blacks of being irresponsible welfare claiming idiots, and broadly categorising all Latinos (hey that's me) or anyone with a vaguely Latino name as criminals with the shadow of doubt permanently cast over them, isn't really in the spirit of being a tolerant, loving Christian now is it? In fact...it's bloody offensive.

But whatever.

I'm done with this stupid thread, and arguing with a mis-informed kid. VF, if you have anything meaningful and intelligent to say re: the numerous posts I've made on the subject at hand, I'll certainly entertain alternative points of view. Otherwise, good luck. With, ya know, life. And stuff.

Volumnius Flush

07-13-2005, 02:08 PM

It seems the only argument I'm hearing now is what a "good" argument these liberals are putting up. That's not an argument.

Like I've said before, I wouldn't say I'm spoonfed, I was brought up with religion. I've probably taken it to an extreme no one would have expected. I could as easily reject faith as I can accept it. It isn't something being forced on me. "a vaguely Latino name as criminals with the shadow of doubt permanently cast over them" That's taking my comments out of context. I said nothing of the sort. I said there's a possibility. I live in Texas, you have to admit if anyone has a problem with the Mexicans, it's us. Maybe leaning towards Cali now, but we have the history. I'm not a racist. The only things I did in the past remotely racist was for show or to incite violence. Now when I say things that you think is racist, I don't see the connection.

The best I can do for now to justify my belief on evolution is that in a literal interpretation of the Bible, every species of land creature was created on the 6th day. Nothing in there about some caveman was made, come day 7: humans. It doesn't say that. Biblically, every creature was created at the time of the Creation that was specified for it. God didn't use evolution.

Der Übermensch

07-13-2005, 02:17 PM

You have no business discussing this with me. I sorted it out with the ignorants who thought they were original or funny for using it on me. You know you're bull**** blaming this on me. Look back at the posts. It was Private eye who started it and when I made a somewhat average argument Cain had to throw it right back in my face. Though he didn't present a good argument, you seem to be content with his post. And notice mine wasn't strictly to proclaim my superior intellect. I said a lot more in that post. Good job NOFX. You're still wrong.

If you want to claim moral superiority, don't give into it then. Let them taunt you, and ignore it. I don't really give a **** who started it, the point is, that regardless of whether you started it or not, you seem to almost enjoy letting it keep going.
I do realize that Cain said the same thing I am criticizing you for, the point is that you responded too two posts with merely that, while he made other snide remarks.

So basicly, people are going to give you **** because you have unpopular ideas and you present them in an overtly pretencious manner. Either change your attitude, or ignore the abuse. Being abusive back wont solvve anything.

Smokey D

07-14-2005, 12:37 AM

Not all deep sea reptiles are huge. I'm sure there are many things down there that we don't even know about. Take a look at these guys:

http://people.whitman.edu/%7Eyancey/astronesthes1.jpg
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/07/22/australia.squid/
http://www.parascope.com/en/cryptozoo/aquarium.htm

Um... they aren't reptiles.

www.sgadesignart.com/graphics/prehistoric/jm_sea-reptiles.jpg

That's more of what I had in mind...

Riva

07-14-2005, 05:04 AM

The best I can do for now to justify my belief on evolution is that in a literal interpretation of the Bible, every species of land creature was created on the 6th day. Nothing in there about some caveman was made, come day 7: humans. It doesn't say that. Biblically, every creature was created at the time of the Creation that was specified for it. God didn't use evolution.

Why then can you not accept other people's views? You have based your entire system of belief on an unsubstantiated claim on amortal's interpretation of a divinities actions.

Others have accepted a somewhat substantiated claim written by a mortal, interpreting the actions of science in the distant past.

Both beliefs have their positives. Someone's opinion not matching yours is not a reason to claim yours is right and their's is wrong.

Werny

07-14-2005, 06:02 AM

I'm smarter than you.

Did I say you weren't? Your intellect has nothing to do with it, it's your beliefs that amaze me with their stupidity.

Simon__Thats_All

07-14-2005, 08:02 AM

That's a good question. Why won't you consider for one moment that I might be right? I already said I would jeopardize everything I said the past 2 weeks on account of what my pastor thinks of my absurdity. Why won't you just consider my opinion? :lol:

PS I'm smarter than you
I have considered your point of view. I've tried to see your side of the argument. Not only do I think from my own point of view that your theory is ludicrous, you have done absolutely nothing to make me think otherwise. You have displayed not a single shed of proof or even reasonable argument. Your defence is weaker than weak. Your defence is weaker than the crippled cancerous cockroach on the bottom of my boot. You're like a fucking child. You're a hypocritical moron who can't debate to save his life.

You're smarter than me? For all I know this could be true, but you have done absoultely nothing to make me believe you. In every post I have seen you make you just make yourself look more and more stupid.

-Obscurity-

07-14-2005, 09:25 AM

Um... they aren't reptiles.

www.sgadesignart.com/graphics/prehistoric/jm_sea-reptiles.jpg

That's more of what I had in mind...

Well, most everything in that last link I posted were reptiles. Whether they are real or not is yet to be proven, however, reptiles were not the only thing around from the time period of the dinosaurs.

drummerben

07-14-2005, 12:55 PM

-Obscurity-

07-14-2005, 01:03 PM

Please don't tell me that anybody here actually still believes dinosaurs were/are not real.

rekker

07-14-2005, 01:09 PM

I can't believe this thread is still lingering on...and on...and on... :lol:

the_uber_penguin

07-14-2005, 01:29 PM

So you "made up your own mind" but strikingly, your only two options are the most obvious of choices. Scientist or Christian? You're not unique. You're not a different colored sheep. You're just like all the others. And when someone tries to have a brand of uniquity like that of mine, we get laughed at and told to get back in the pack. I'm done following the shepherd.

I wouldn't say I'm following the sheep, just walking the road well trodden. If anything, I'm not following the shepherd, who told me that evolution is wrong.

The fact of the matter is, I don't see a point to the creationist view, I don't see any reason why I should just take the Bible's viewpoint, when I have something far more real and convincing and something where I see usefulness and future.

I'm not closed to the option that God created the Earth, and set up lots of fossils as an elaborate hoax, or puzzle for us humans to solve. As for "the work of satan" or "an elaborate hoax by scientists": this is just propaganda by creationist extremists trying to kick evolution out of the classroom and you're very gullible if you fell for it.

The point is: regardless of whether we evolved or whether the earth was created, the theory of evolution is the one which correctly predicts lab experiments, and real world situations regarding things like GM food, and antibiotic research, whereas the strictest forms of creationism would say that bacteria can't gain resistance to a new drug because evolution can't happen. This is the clincher for me. Real world application beats a book anytime.

Der Übermensch

07-14-2005, 04:47 PM

early Catholic popes changed the calendars several times...Example, they toyed with the date of the birth of Christ because December was the time that the Romans celebrated the Pagan Winter Solstance.

Saturnalia (week of the solstice), Winter Solstice, and the Birth of Mithrus (the 25th) were all at the same basic time. Jesus' birth was placed their in order to convert pagens so they wouldn't have to give up their holidays. (same with the timing of Easter and Valentines Day among others).

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:36 PM

I don't think they should remove evolution from the classroom. I think it should be taught with a grain of salt rather than the truth. I think religion should be taught in depth, but also with a grain of salt. From kindergarten on, I've been told that the dinosaurs were peace loving creatures, and that Disney propaganda was accurate in that if they were still here, we'd be best of friends. As I got older, I learned there was a whole science behind it and dinosaurs began to lose there innocence. Now dinosaurs are a burden on me. To even hear the suggestion brings back the horrible memories and when I see that there are thousands of species of dinosaurs, and books upon books explaining the science behind these dinosaurs, I am sickened.

The education system can teach you nothing. You can only teach yourself. When you begin to understand that some teachers do lie, some teachers do use propaganda, and some teachers even brainwash, you will understand anything your beloved teacher says is to be questioned.

JohnXDoesn't

07-14-2005, 05:40 PM

The education system can teach you nothing. You can only teach yourself.

This explains a lot.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:43 PM

This explains a lot.

Stop with the sarcasm. If you applied yourself, you would realize I'm only a teacher trying to teach you, and that my whole post could only be a lie.

The truth is that if you accept everything your teacher tells you, you will be taken advantage of. You have to look into things yourself and not just accept the world's explanation.

Paranoidd

07-14-2005, 05:45 PM

From kindergarten on, I've been told that the dinosaurs were peace loving creatures,

What the fuck school did YOU go to?

Simon__Thats_All

07-14-2005, 05:46 PM

Stop with the sarcasm. If you applied yourself, you would realize I'm only a teacher trying to teach you, and that my whole post could only be a lie.

The truth is that if you accept everything your teacher tells you, you will be taken advantage of. You have to look into things yourself and not just accept the world's explanation.
Which we have all done. You, sir, have read part of the Bible, believed 100% what it told you, and did not research any further to find your conclusion. Furthermore, now that you're second guessing yourself you're going to talk to your pastor (or "teacher"?) and whatever he tells you to believe you are going to believe. Hypocrite.

JohnXDoesn't

07-14-2005, 05:46 PM

Just some end of the day humor, Volumnius. Take a breath for Chissakes!

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:47 PM

What the fuck school did YOU go to?

Cain elementary for kinderarten and 1st grade. You know how they have the toys and friendly pictures as to not scare the children? And then Disney made movies to show that dinosaurs are our friends. Only the herbivore dinosaurs though.

Simon__Thats_All

07-14-2005, 05:48 PM

Cain elementary for kinderarten and 1st grade. You know how they have the toys and friendly pictures as to not scare the children? And then Disney made movies to show that dinosaurs are our friends. Only the herbivore dinosaurs though.
So you only went to kindergarten and 1st grade? That DOES explain a lot.

Iskandar

07-14-2005, 05:49 PM

... That's age-appropiate education. I doubt they'd show man-eating Tyranosaurs from Jurassic Park.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:50 PM

Just some end of the day humor, Volumnius. Take a breath for Chissakes!

I'm trying. :)

Which we have all done. You, sir, have read part of the Bible, believed 100% what it told you, and did not research any further to find your conclusion. Furthermore, now that you're second guessing yourself you're going to talk to your pastor (or "teacher"?) and whatever he tells you to believe you are going to believe.

I'm going to hear is explanation and if it disagrees with me, I will consider him to be a wacko, just like you. He, in my mind, will not be as respectble as he once was. But I have a feelign he'll see some logic in my interpretations. I have looked into the Bible and questioned it and maybe even taken more from it than most people would. Because I've understood it better.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:51 PM

... That's age-appropiate education. I doubt they'd show man-eating Tyranosaurs from Jurassic Park.

But it really hurts looking back and realizing how I've been deceived.

So you only went to kindergarten and 1st grade? That DOES explain a lot.

Give it up. I'm starting 11th grade next year. I'm taking mostly pre-AP/AP classes. I'm not some idiot.

Paranoidd

07-14-2005, 05:52 PM

When you begin to understand that some teachers do lie, some teachers do use propaganda, and some teachers even brainwash, you will understand anything your beloved teacher says is to be questioned.

Replace "teacher" with "pastor" or "priest."

oh shi

Trivium

07-14-2005, 05:53 PM

JohnXDoesn't

07-14-2005, 05:55 PM

But it really hurts looking back and realizing how I've been deceive

Get over it.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 05:58 PM

Replace "teacher" with "pastor" or "priest."

oh shi

Anyone who teaches. This includes pators and priests. I have heard cases where the pastor was wrong. My grandfather even told of a pastor who preached something completely out of context. Don't accept what your pastor says; they could be wrong. My pastor says to not take as 100% truth everything he says because he is only interpreting the Bible as best as he can. He says he has been wrong before, and may be wrong again.

Simon__Thats_All

07-14-2005, 06:00 PM

I'm trying. :)

I'm going to hear is explanation and if it disagrees with me, I will consider him to be a wacko, just like you. He, in my mind, will not be as respectble as he once was. But I have a feelign he'll see some logic in my interpretations. I have looked into the Bible and questioned it and maybe even taken more from it than most people would. Because I've understood it better.
You're the wacko. Losing respect for someone over having a different opinion from you is immature. You're a moron. You are a child. Your superior "understanding" of the bible is crap. I'm older than you and have studied the bible longer. I am just as eligable to make these comments about the bible as you, if not more so. Just because our opinions differ from yours (a 1 in 6 billion opinion) doesn't make you right. Pull your head out of your arse.

Liberi Fatali

07-14-2005, 06:00 PM

I've been told that the dinosaurs were peace loving creatures, and that Disney propaganda was accurate in that if they were still here, we'd be best of friends.
Disney has never created a movie with dinosaurs in it. The only kids Dinosaur movie was The Land Before Time which is made by Universal and portrays dinosaurs as both peaceful and violent. It shows the herbivores as peaceful creatures that just want peace, it shows creatures like the T-Rex and Velociraptor as violent and harmful.

According to science this portrayal is pretty damn accurate.

Also as Trivium said, movies like The Land Before Time are just entertainment for little kids, not meant to be an accurate portrayal of prehistoric life.

Simon__Thats_All

07-14-2005, 06:02 PM

Anyone who teaches. This includes pators and priests. I have heard cases where the pastor was wrong. My grandfather even told of a pastor who preached something completely out of context. Don't accept what your pastor says; they could be wrong. My pastor says to not take as 100% truth everything he says because he is only interpreting the Bible as best as he can. He says he has been wrong before, and may be wrong again.
I ask you this, if the Bible were supposed to be 100% fact, why would he have to interperate it?

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:08 PM

I ask you this, if the Bible were supposed to be 100% fact, why would he have to interperate it?

It can be confusing at times. You might call this metaphor, but equally as there are Christians that would question a 6-day creation, I interpret it literally. One preacher might say I'm wrong and preach differently because science suggests otherwise. You can see that scripture can be interpreted differently. Also, there are hundreds of different versions of the Bible, with new ones coming out every year. Some are "fakes" in that they preach abominations, but most are pretty close to the original text. Different versions(KJV, NIV, ……) use different words to get the point across.

Disney has never created a movie with dinosaurs in it. The only kids Dinosaur movie was The Land Before Time which is made by Universal and portrays dinosaurs as both peaceful and violent. It shows the herbivores as peaceful creatures that just want peace, it shows creatures like the T-Rex and Velociraptor as violent and harmful.

According to science this portrayal is pretty damn accurate.

Also as Trivium said, movies like The Land Before Time are just entertainment for little kids, not meant to be an accurate portrayal of prehistoric life.

I think it was called: We're Back! A Dinosaur Story (1994, I believe)

You're the wacko. Losing respect for someone over having a different opinion from you is immature. You're a moron. You are a child. Your superior "understanding" of the bible is crap. I'm older than you and have studied the bible longer. I am just as eligable to make these comments about the bible as you, if not more so. Just because our opinions differ from yours (a 1 in 6 billion opinion) doesn't make you right. Pull your head out of your arse.

I respect you, once you start speaking with some sort of respect. I've been called an idiot since page 1, believe it or not. Whenever some new person comes in here and makes some immature joke, I lose respect. I'm sorry if I was rude to you. I respect your opinion though I don't agree with it 100%. I've been disrespected for weeks now, and it's no different with you when you use derogatory words and phrases on me. I'm sorry.

Paranoidd

07-14-2005, 06:11 PM

I think it was called: We're Back! A Dinosaur Story (1994, I believe)

That's actually based on a book, and it was a Universal movie.

You're 0 for 2, champ.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:16 PM

That's actually based on a book, and it was a Universal movie.

You're 0 for 2, champ.

It is still a movie nonetheless. You don't get a point for saying that it's a book. Also, Disney is a better way to explain a child deceiving, secular organization. Land Before Time I think Liberi said was Universal too yet he also said that it was the only dinosaur movie like I had described. I think we're tied now, just like it should be.

Iskandar

07-14-2005, 06:31 PM

But it really hurts looking back and realizing how I've been deceived.

Give it up. I'm starting 11th grade next year. I'm taking mostly pre-AP/AP classes. I'm not some idiot.

Deceived? In later grades, weren't you taught more about prehistory? I seem to remember learning about dinosaurs in third grade, and they weren't depicted like that at all.

Liberi Fatali

07-14-2005, 06:37 PM

Also, Disney is a better way to explain a child deceiving, secular organization.
Child decivicing secular organization? :lol:

So do you believe that Disney and other movie companies are trying to trick children into believing that dinosaurs were peaceful creatures that you could snuggle up to and cuddle? That there is a fox that hunts down the rich and gives to the poor? That there are Lions that can talk just like humans? That aliens came down and landed on Hawaii? That toys are actually living beings? That there are creatures on this earth called 'Pikachu' and 'Charmander'.

No kid in their right mind takes disney and kids movies for fact.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:39 PM

That aliens came down and landed on Hawaii?No kid in their right mind takes disney and kids movies for fact.

That's a possibility in the mind of the average MXer.

Deceived? In later grades, weren't you taught more about prehistory? I seem to remember learning about dinosaurs in third grade, and they weren't depicted like that at all.

As you get older, the discussion becomes more appropriate for your age. I don't appreciate the teachers lying to me.

Trivium

07-14-2005, 06:40 PM

there is a reason us northerners have so many sterotypes about how dumb and overly religious the south is

Liberi Fatali

07-14-2005, 06:41 PM

That's a possibility in the mind of the average MXer.

If you were the average Mxer, then yes I would agree with you. Unfortunately for you most Mxers have an IQ above 90.

Iskandar

07-14-2005, 06:44 PM

That's a possibility in the mind of the average MXer.

As you get older, the discussion becomes more appropriate for your age. I don't appreciate the teachers lying to me.

Did they actually say that dinosaurs were peaceful in a lesson? If so, they lied. But if they just showed the movie ... well, that's just entertainment. It's no different than Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:45 PM

If you were the average Mxer, then yes I would agree with you. Unfortunately for you most Mxers have an IQ above 90.

I wasn't talking about intelligence. Just the normal user. I took a legitimate IQ test when I was 10 and I made a 110. When I was 12, it was roughly 130. It usually is a bit higher as a kid though so it may have gone down. I in all honesty believe it's over 150 right now.

Liberi Fatali

07-14-2005, 06:47 PM

I in all honesty believe it's over 150 right now.
:lol:

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:47 PM

Did they actually say that dinosaurs were peaceful in a lesson? If so, they lied. But if they just showed the movie ... well, that's just entertainment. It's no different than Star Wars or Lord of the Rings.

It's just the presentation. They use wallpaper with a happy little stegosaurus and they have little toys and propaganda. It's like Roy Horn with the tigers.

Trivium

07-14-2005, 06:47 PM

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 06:50 PM

I wasn't talking about intelligence. Just the normal user. I took a legitimate IQ test when I was 10 and I made a 110. When I was 12, it was roughly 130. It usually is a bit higher as a kid though so it may have gone down. I in all honesty believe it's over 150 right now.
IQ doesn't change like that.

Aside from that, your IQ has no impact on your knowledge (or lack thereof) or the correctness of your beliefs.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:50 PM

150 is true and genuine intellectually brilliant person. your IQ is "supposedly" not supposed to change over the course of your life.

I doubt your IQ is 150, though you could be a really smart person.

Well as you get older, you have a greater capacity. Once you reach about 17, which I almost am, there is little to no growth and maybe even some deterioration. I may just be too much of a pothead though I rarely smoke. I might just be the ultimate lazy bum and not care to apply myself. Or I might be legally retarded and be in denial but I doubt that as a kid who was already above most adults, I doubt I'm upper level retarded.

TheGhost

07-14-2005, 06:51 PM

Just thought I'd jump in here. If I remember We're Back correctly, in the beginning, the dinosaurs were horrible monsters. The scenes were darker and a professor (or scientist, it's been a while) gave them a cereal or something and they changed. So your point on We're back was wrong as well.
I'm done. Continue.

Liberi Fatali

07-14-2005, 06:53 PM

It's just the presentation. They use wallpaper with a happy little stegosaurus and they have little toys and propaganda. It's like Roy Horn with the tigers.
Movies like that would not expose kids to giant flesh eating lizards like the T-Rex. You'd give your kids nightmares if you showed them kids movies that are in the style of Jurassic Park. This is why they make them more friendly towards kids, so that they can make a kids movie without giving half the kids nightmares and ending up losing a lot of profit.

Hollywood is known for not being true to life, and if you think that is propaghanda that is meant to trick the minds of little kids. Then you're an idiot.

Iskandar

07-14-2005, 06:55 PM

It's just the presentation. They use wallpaper with a happy little stegosaurus and they have little toys and propaganda. It's like Roy Horn with the tigers.

Yes, but they also show cowboys as heroes and "good guys" when they were outlaws and criminals. The world is presented as friendlier to children.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 06:58 PM

IQ doesn't change like that.

Aside from that, your IQ has no impact on your knowledge (or lack thereof) or the correctness of your beliefs.

Then how does it change, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-seeing person?

I like your last sentence. I may have the capacity of a genius, but the content of the mental handicapped.

As a kid, your IQ can change greatly over a period of time. Especially during one of the fastest times of growth in your life. I'm sure you would agree a 2 year old has a lot lower capacity than the same kid at 8. I failed a spelling test in the 1st grade but in the 3rd grade, I was the best speller in the school. Things change.

150 is true and genuine intellectually brilliant person. your IQ is "supposedly" not supposed to change over the course of your life.

I doubt your IQ is 150, though you could be a really smart person.

I might not be at 150 right now. I might be though, and I have such a low level of inspiration, that I don't apply myself. I could be reading a book now and learning but I'd rather be on MX. I might be mentally retarded, but I doubt someone with an above average IQ as a 10 year old would be retarded in older age. I think capacity stops growing at about 17, which I almost am. That is why it's so hard to learn a new language as an adult.

I had something else typed here, it was a pretty good post too. Better than this one. But I accidentally erased it and this is the best I could do at the time.

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:07 PM

Then how does it change, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-seeing person?

I like your last sentence. I may have the capacity of a genius, but the content of the mental handicapped.

As a kid, your IQ can change greatly over a period of time. Especially during one of the fastest times of growth in your life. I'm sure you would agree a 2 year old has a lot lower capacity than the same kid at 8. I failed a spelling test in the 1st grade but in the 3rd grade, I was the best speller in the school. Things change.

I might not be at 150 right now. I might be though, and I have such a low level of inspiration, that I don't apply myself. I could be reading a book now and learning but I'd rather be on MX. I might be mentally retarded, but I doubt someone with an above average IQ as a 10 year old would be retarded in older age. I think capacity stops growing at about 17, which I almost am. That is why it's so hard to learn a new language as an adult.

I had something else typed here, it was a pretty good post too. Better than this one. But I accidentally erased it and this is the best I could do at the time.
Yes, it can [change], though not drastically in a short period. Especially during infancy and early childhood, there is a possibility of change in IQ scores frequently. However, IQ scores begin to stabilize in middle childhood. Furthermore, by the age of approximately 7 years, childhood IQ scores are found to be rather good predictors of adult IQ.
(Ouch.)

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:16 PM

Yes, it can [change], though not drastically in a short period. Especially during infancy and early childhood, there is a possibility of change in IQ scores frequently. However, IQ scores begin to stabilize in middle childhood. Furthermore, by the age of approximately 7 years, childhood IQ scores are found to be rather good predictors of adult IQ.

Here's what I said:
As a kid, your IQ can change greatly over a period of time.

A period of time. Not a small amount of time. The period I was talking about was over a few to several years. Which is about what this doctor implied if not downright saying it.

I found this interesting:

Furthermore, by the age of approximately 7 years, childhood IQ scores are found to be rather good predictors of adult IQ.

If IQs remain so stable as to never change, why would you want to predict future IQ from your's as a 7 year old? And I am almost an adult. 110 at 10. That's alright from what I understand. That might be factoring in age which disturbs the validity of such tests, but I doubt that.

Trivium

07-14-2005, 07:18 PM

110 isnt that great

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:18 PM

Here's what I said:
As a kid, your IQ can change greatly over a period of time.

A period of time. Not a small amount of time. The period I was talking about was over a few to several years. Which is about what this doctor implied if not downright saying it.

I found this interesting:

If IQs remain so stable as to never change, why would you want to predict future IQ from your's as a 7 year old? And I am almost an adult. 110 at 10. That's alright from what I understand. That might be factoring in age which disturbs the validity of such tests, but I doubt that.
No, it means IQ's don't change 20 points in two years. That is a drastic change in a very short amount of time.

Not to mention, as he said, IQ tests at 7 years have been shown to be in the correct range straight on into adulthood.

And of course, I must mention that you know next to nothing about science and love to discount everything about it, and yet you're relying on a scientific test to prove how "intelligent" you are.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:19 PM

110 isnt that great

I was ten. What do you expect? I assure you, it is much much higher now. I would even bet on it. I think 140 is more than reasonable. But as stated already, I believe I'm higher than that.

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:21 PM

I was ten. What do you expect? I assure you, it is much much higher now. I would even bet on it. I think 140 is more than reasonable. But as stated already, I believe I'm higher than that.
I was 135 at about 8. And I still am. I doubt you're any higher than where you were intially tested.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:23 PM

No, it means IQ's don't change 20 points in two years. That is a drastic change in a very short amount of time.

Not to mention, as he said, IQ tests at 7 years have been shown to be in the correct range straight on into adulthood.

And of course, I must mention that you know next to nothing about science and love to discount everything about it, and yet you're relying on a scientific test to prove how "intelligent" you are.

This would be a lot better discussion face to face. There are certain pros to actually talking to someone as opposed to posting on a message board. If I could take an IQ test now, I would. I am not in position to do so now, but when I am, I would be glad to post the results. Even if they were low. I had the brain activity of a 5 year old when I was 2, but don't pay any attention to that either. Just throwing it out there, I'm aware I probably look a bigger idiot for putting that in here.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:23 PM

I was 135 at about 8. And I still am. I doubt you're any higher than where you were intially tested.

I am predicting a 150. 135 is high. But I believe beyond all doubt that I am better than that.

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:24 PM

This would be a lot better discussion face to face. There are certain pros to actually talking to someone as opposed to posting on a message board. If I could take an IQ test now, I would. I am not in position to do so now, but when I am, I would be glad to post the results. Even if they were low. I had the brain activity of a 5 year old when I was 2, but don't pay any attention to that either. Just throwing it out there, I'm aware I probably look a bigger idiot for putting that in here.
You're full of shit. If you can't debate on a message board than don't debate at all, don't use your lack of arguing skills as a crutch for ignoring people.

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:25 PM

I am predicting a 150. 135 is high. But I believe beyond all doubt that I am better than that.
I guess it's difficult for you to understand that your beliefs don't mean anything.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:26 PM

I guess it's difficult for you to understand that your beliefs don't mean anything.

Subtle ruined my joke. :upset:

denboy

07-14-2005, 07:27 PM

IQ tests take your age into consideration, so if you had 110 in it, when you were ten, then you still have 110

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:28 PM

Yes. It is hard difficult. Wait? What?
I think you missed the boat on that cutting insult.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:30 PM

I think you missed the boat on that cutting insult.

You were wrong Subtle.

When I take the test, I'll let you know how it goes. If I am lower than you say you are, I will make my title "SubtleDagger beats me in IQ" or something like that. Just to suggest your superior intellect. I still doubt you're higher than I am.

denboy

07-14-2005, 07:31 PM

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8570262&postcount=36
I seriously doubt someone without a grasp of his native tounge would have an iq of 150

SubtleDagger

07-14-2005, 07:31 PM

You were wrong Subtle.

When I take the test, I'll let you know how it goes. If I am lower than you say you are, I will make my title "SubtleDagger beats me in IQ" or something like that. Just to suggest your superior intellect. I still doubt you're higher than I am.
I'd settle for you showing me your original tests on here, where you supposedly jumped twenty points.

I guess I'm not going to see those, am I?

Riva

07-14-2005, 07:35 PM

I don't think they should remove evolution from the classroom. I think it should be taught with a grain of salt rather than the truth. I think religion should be taught in depth, but also with a grain of salt.

In Australian school's, both science and religion are taught as truth in primary school. The education system trusts students to use there brain and work out what they believe in.

From kindergarten on, I've been told that the dinosaurs were peace loving creatures, and that Disney propaganda was accurate in that if they were still here, we'd be best of friends.

And when I was young, I thought Pooh bears were real, and that the movie Pete and the Dragon was definitive proof of the existance of Dragons and Wyverns. However, now that I am all grown-up, I hardly use Disney "propaganda" as a basis for my system of beliefs.

As I got older, I learned there was a whole science behind it and dinosaurs began to lose there innocence. Now dinosaurs are a burden on me. To even hear the suggestion brings back the horrible memories and when I see that there are thousands of species of dinosaurs, and books upon books explaining the science behind these dinosaurs, I am sickened.

Science makes you sick? What kind of moron are you? I mean, grow up. The computer you use to broadcast your stupidity has loads of science behind it. Does that make you sick also?

The education system can teach you nothing. You can only teach yourself. When you begin to understand that some teachers do lie, some teachers do use propaganda, and some teachers even brainwash, you will understand anything your beloved teacher says is to be questioned.

I questioned everything my science teachers AND my religion teacher taught me. My science teachers would listen to my queries, discuss the theory with me, and direct me to any relevant sources. They shaped my mind into a thinking, inquiring ball of muscle.

All I ever got for questioning "the word of God" was a slap on the wrist, detention, or lines.

I know which teacher I'd accuse of brainwashing...

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:35 PM

I'd settle for you showing me your original tests on here, where you supposedly jumped twenty points.

I guess I'm not going to see those, am I?

I don't even have them. Look, I'm getting a job pretty soon. I'll see what I can put together. When I take a test and get the results, I will post them no matter how high or low. You might not like waiting. I don't want to wait to know. But I will see what I can put together. That's the best I can do.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:39 PM

All I ever got for questioning "the word of God" was a slap on the wrist, detention, or lines.

I agree with almost everything you posted. No argument here. But this statement. "The Word of God." People don't understand. If you questioned, it should have been answered. The so-called Christians who stirred you away will be punished along with the non-Believers. A true Christian wouldn't do the things you say. The only time you should be chastised for questioning the Word is if you were being a smart *** in doing so. Not condoning what they did, but suggesting that for the punishment given, there should have been at least some insolence shown.

Riva

07-14-2005, 07:43 PM

I agree with almost everything you posted. No argument here. But this statement. "The Word of God." People don't understand. If you questioned, it should have been answered. The so-called Christians who stirred you away will be punished along with the non-Believers. A true Christian wouldn't do the things you say. The only time you should be chastised for questioning the Word is if you were being a smart *** in doing so. Not condoning what they did, but suggesting that for the punishment given, there should have been at least some insolence shown.

I questioned quite a few things, but I was sent to the principal's office for questioning why Jesus had promoted equality, then raised 12 men to a higher status by making them his "favoured" ones. I was probably 10 at the time.

Volumnius Flush

07-14-2005, 07:50 PM

I questioned quite a few things, but I was sent to the principal's office for questioning why Jesus had promoted equality, then raised 12 men to a higher status by making them his "favoured" ones. I was probably 10 at the time.

And it all depends on your attitude. From the way you tell your story, it sounds like you just didn't understand or you wanted a better explanation. But equally you could have just been testing them and trying to be a dick, If it was the former, then I am sorry you suffered that. Those people are not good Christians, if Christians at all. If it's the latter, I would say that they may be in the right, but there would still be better ways than punishment. They could have answered your questions or debated you. I see a lot of "Christians" with disrespectful attitudes like that.

the_uber_penguin

07-15-2005, 06:16 AM

Disney has never created a movie with dinosaurs in it. The only kids Dinosaur movie was The Land Before Time which is made by Universal and portrays dinosaurs as both peaceful and violent..

Fantasia?

It shows the herbivores as peaceful creatures that just want peace, it shows creatures like the T-Rex and Velociraptor as violent and harmful.

According to science this portrayal is pretty damn accurate.

Debatable, but this was probably the herbivores point of view.

Also as Trivium said, movies like The Land Before Time are just entertainment for little kids, not meant to be an accurate portrayal of prehistoric life.

Yes. I'm afraid, VF, if you feel hurt by the fact the watered down version of things that has to be made in order to make things pallateble to kids was wrong and are offended by that, you are showing that you are stuck in the past; that you preffered life living in a bubble. Many Christians take the word of the Bible so seriously because of this bubble, and unknowingly shut out the real world around them, because they think it's scary.

Well, the real world is scary, but it's the world that's relevent, and its the world you live in. Sooner or later, this bubble will have to be burst and the longer you wait to let that happen, the harder you'll fall.

Cain elementary for kinderarten and 1st grade. You know how they have the toys and friendly pictures as to not scare the children? And then Disney made movies to show that dinosaurs are our friends. Only the herbivore dinosaurs though.

I don't agree with that. The dinosaur sequence in Fantasia scared the poopers out of me!

Der Übermensch

07-15-2005, 08:22 AM

I have a question for VF.
At what point does "real" recorded history end?

I think we can all agree that the middle ages happened, that the roman empire existed. But when does it stop?
You obviously don't believe Dino's roamed the earth 100 Million years ago, how about the various creatures that existed 2 million years ago? How about the neanderthals and wooly mammoths 40,000? The city of Ur, in mesopatamia 6000 years ago?
At what point does recorded history cease to be real, and the book of Genesis take precedence?

Edit: haha... I just noticed that not only did VF get a ban, but his post count is 1666.

Simon__Thats_All

07-15-2005, 09:04 AM

My God this kid infuriates me. I started off in this thread trying to have a civilised debate with someone who was obviously misguided. It turns out that I'm arguing with an arrogant brat, who's 3 years younger than me and who thinks a 110 IQ is something to be proud of. "Never get in an argument with a moron - They'll bring you down to their level, then destroy you with experience." The quote is something like that. I've taken various IQ tests, though admittadly none were done 1 on 1 professionally, and the scores are generally around the 130-140 mark. Well... It used to ;) Before reading this thread I'd agree with everyone saying your IQ doesn't just jump around, but I think this thread has succeeded in making me significantly dumber.

Der Übermensch

07-15-2005, 09:12 AM

well, 110 is above the average for the US... (I dont think its even 100).

70 is legaly retarded, 140 is genius (top 1%). I average out between 140-150 when ever I have taken em :thumb:

Simon__Thats_All

07-15-2005, 09:22 AM

well, 110 is above the average for the US... (I dont think its even 100).

70 is legaly retarded, 140 is genius (top 1%). I average out between 140-150 when ever I have taken em :thumb:
US must be dumb. Average I've heard is more like 109. 140 isn't that great here. Granted it's intelligent, but my mate and his dad both took proper IQ tests together and he scored a few points less than his dad, but still in the 160 vacinity. Granted he's a pretty cluey guy. But still, Those stats are very different to what little experience I have with IQ..

rekker

07-15-2005, 09:37 AM

well, 110 is above the average for the US... (I dont think its even 100).

70 is legaly retarded, 140 is genius (top 1%). I average out between 140-150 when ever I have taken em :thumb:

Yeah, I've taken about 4 on the internet and always score 125 to 135, but that can't be right - I'm not that smart! :thumb:

Der Übermensch

07-15-2005, 09:41 AM

100 is considered the theoretical average as far as the test goes, and on a bell curve, should be the highest point. The further you get in either direction, the more shakey results get. I think the extremes are 50 and 150. Past those points, IQ's are more estimates based on your results rather then the actual result.

Can't find a source on the average of the US, but I remember seeing a chart that went state by state. Overall, the number got lower the further south you went :p

Simon__Thats_All

07-15-2005, 09:56 AM

:lol: There was a national IQ test broadcasted on Australian television and my whole family took it. If I was as clever as they say i am i would have looked up the national results when they were published, but I didn't. The thing is I remember during the test there were questions to challenge ones mathematics skills and things like that, which I don't think have anything to do with IQ. Well, maybe have something to do with it, but I thought IQ was meant to be more about problem solving etc., not addition and subtraction..

BludgeonySteve

07-15-2005, 10:11 AM

Can't find a source on the average of the US, but I remember seeing a chart that went state by state. Overall, the number got lower the further south you went :p

That's because Canada has less influence in the south :)

Just kidding, i'm surprised Canada hasen't blown itself up yet :/

And Can this forum go one thread without arguing over who has the higher IQ or what the average is? Shut the **** up about it. If you're educated (and that's all that debating requires) then IQ doesn't matter very much.

denboy

07-15-2005, 10:20 AM

And Can this forum go one thread without arguing over who has the higher IQ or what the average is? Shut the **** up about it. If you're educated (and that's all that debating requires) then IQ doesn't matter very much.

Wtf? This is the first topic in ages I've seen where IQ has even been mentioned

BludgeonySteve

07-15-2005, 10:24 AM

This one did yesterday http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365563&page=1&pp=25

Fine, I guess 2 isn't anything to complain about. But when I find a thread that I would have liked to contribute to and it's already off topic by the time I find it, that's annoying.

Carry on with your IQing and such.

rekker

07-15-2005, 10:31 AM

That's because Canada has less influence in the south :)

Just kidding, i'm surprised Canada hasen't blown itself up yet :/

What, on God's green earth, would we blow ourselves up with? A giant keg that was sloshed around too much?

BludgeonySteve

07-15-2005, 10:32 AM

Pfft yes, we have enough beer to do it. :chug:

Smokey D

07-15-2005, 09:25 PM

This one did yesterday http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365563&page=1&pp=25

Carry on with your IQing and such.

I believe that was a reference to this thread.

Volumnius Flush

07-22-2005, 02:31 AM

My God this kid infuriates me.

You believe in God?

I started off in this thread trying to have a civilised debate with someone who was obviously misguided.

That's you're problem right there. You have no idea who's right here. Nor do I. But you came in here, Mr. Know-It-All going to show me the light so I won't be misguided. You were wrong.

It turns out that I'm arguing with an arrogant brat, who's 3 years younger than me and who thinks a 110 IQ is something to be proud of.

And in all my youthfulness and arrogance and brattiness, I don't resort to name-calling? Or at least not as much as you.

I've taken various IQ tests, though admittadly none were done 1 on 1 professionally, and the scores are generally around the 130-140 mark. Well... It used to ;) Before reading this thread I'd agree with everyone saying your IQ doesn't just jump around, but I think this thread has succeeded in making me significantly dumber.

And I'll leave it there to say this. I find it funny how abundantly I'm told, "HAHA your IQ isn't 140!!" Then they go on to say, "But I often make in the 160 range."

It's a ridiculous double standard. I suppose you doubt my claims are accurate? But you expect everyone to believe your scores are true? You fools make me sick.