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TalkingHead
06-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Although not called post rock at the time, two bands exemplified the sound and influenced future musicians throughout the 80's. The first was Durutti Column. Vini Reilly, the mind and guitar behind Durutti Column, was a former punk who had an affection for folk and jazz guitar. His compositions heavily featured an arpeggio guitar effect and often little more than a drum line and vocals. From the beginning and even more so in the late 80's, the songs of the Durutti Column had a much different tone than that of their contemporaries of the Factory Records circle like Joy Division, Section 25, A Certain Ratio and later New Order. With dense atmospheric guitar textures, the songs had a base in rock but sounded like something else, often bordering on new age. The albums of the Durutti Column are hailed as ambitious and brilliant.

The other 80's band to have a major impact on the post rock phenomena is Talk Talk. Although most people only know them for their early songs which were pure synth pop, by 1986 they were well on their way to creating some of the most unclassifiable and respected music ever. Their album The Colour Of Spring featured their most accomplished synth pop based songs, but also included the song "Chameleon Day" which was a totally different direction for the band. The song was simply sparse piano, very emotive vocals and some sort of odd sounding horn. On the 1988 album Spirit Of Eden the electronics were gone and in their place was an ensemble of horns and acoustic instruments. The band had rejected structure in exchange for atmosphere and were completely outside of anything rock based. Talk Talk's last album Laughing Stock stepped even further in this direction, incorporating elements of free jazz, ambient and organic sounds. They had become the polar opposite of the straight forward and highly structured band of their beginnings.

The actual term "Post-Rock" was coined in 1993 when writer Simon Reynolds was describing the debut album Hex by Bark Psychosis. The album is a mixture of lush landscape textures, acoustic instruments and moody overtones, which drew heavily from Talk Talk's later period material. Not coincidentally, Talk Talk member Lee Harris appears on the album as an "assistant."

The other, more traditional side of Post Rock's beginnings can be found in the Louisville Kentucky band Slint. The 1991 album Spiderland is one of the most influential and underrated albums of the 90's. Slint used the basic guitar, bass, drums and vocals set up but, they were revolutionary in the way that they used them. Spiderland featured toned down angular twin guitars interspersed with unrestrained sonic bursts. The song progressions were long and rambling but seemed very mathematically calculated. The music was accentuated by the barely audible spoken vocals of Brian McMahan. Their sound has been so copped by other bands, that it's become a running joke in the indie community to say "they sound just like Slint" when describing a band.

Another scene sprang up in the early and mid nineties in Chicago's Wicker Park. David Grubbs, who was coincidentally also a native of Louisville Kentucky, was involved in a New York thrash metal project with John McEntire called Bastro. Grubbs had moved to Chicago (soon followed by McEntire) to attend grad school and was studying the writings and music of experimental composer John Cage and other contemporary poets. Bastro soon changed their name to Gastr del Sol to persue a new direction. GdS's first album, The Serpentine Similar from 1993, was a cut and paste collection of dissonant atmospheres, odd piano chords, noisy bursts and interspersed guitar lines. It took influences from John Cage and questioned the basic ideology of "rock" music, an intentional backlash to the testosterone fueled music of Nirvana. Soon after, GdS musicians John McEntire and Bundy K Brown moved on to form Tortoise, while Grubbs called on Jim O'Rourke to help with the second GdS record. Since then, the work of GdS, Tortoise and subsequent solo outing's have been highly acclaimed and influential.

Today, Post Rock has come to be a term used for a band who has roots in indie rock, but incorporates other styles into the music making it nontraditional. Bands like Tortoise, Labradford, To Rococo Rot, Cul de Sac and Third Eye Foundation don't really sound anything alike but, they all incorporate something other into the music, be it jazz, ambient, electronic or ambient into their sound, creating something entirely. Flying Saucer Attack, Amp and again, Third Eye Foundation all use heavily effected psychedelic guitar mixed with elements of folk. Rodan, June of '44, The For Carnation, Don Cabellero, The Sonora Pine, Rex and dozens of others all sound just like Slint (to one degree or other).

The Post Rock scene is an exciting alternative to recycled alternative. There is constant growth from established artists and always a new and interesting band on the horizon. One newer band, Sigur Ros use huge swells of bowed guitars and completely otherworldly vocals over their mellow bass, drums, organ and piano line up to create something of amazing beauty. Another band, Hood started out as a band with Slint dynamics but have evolved into an guitar based ambient group with an autumnal feel. While the term "Post Rock" is silly in that it is a label to categorize bands that don't fit into other categories, the artists usually associated with it are some of the most creative and purely honest bands around today.

Two other note worthy me mentions are

1) Mogwai, whome are simply grand, these guys can make a song go into huge dynamic changes in a short while. though that Mogwai is more song divided than bands like GYBE, ASMT and MONO, for me to appreciate those bands I usually have to listen to whole albums and go on a great sound journey, but with Mogwai I can actually just turn on one song and still appreciate it, but it still doesn't top listening to an whole album of Mogwai.

That doesn't mean that Mogwai can't go noise-harcore on your *** tough, just listen to "Ratts of the Capital" and "Stop Coming to my House", these both songs have amazing "noise" (better word?) parts that are still incredibly musical and full of melody. Those are my two favorite tracks of the whole Happy People album.

Do you understand what I'm saying sir?

2) Godspeed You! Black emporer (and its side projects: A Silver Mount Zion, Set Fire To Flame and Fly Pan Am)..just get everything by them


Reccomendations

Slint
1) Spiderland

GODSPEED YOU BLACK EMPEROR!;
1) Slow Riot for New Zero Kanada
2) F#a#oo(Infinity Symbol)
3) Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven

Sigur Ros
1) Von
1) Agaetis Byrjun
2) ( )
3) Svefn-G-Englar [EP]

Gastr Del Sol
1) Camoufleur
2) The Serpentine Similar

A Silver Mt. Zion;
1) He Has Left Us Alone But Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corners of Our Rooms
2) Born into Trouble as the Sparks Fly Upward
3)This Is Our Punk-Rock, Thee Rusted Satellites Gather & Sing
4) Pretty Little Lightning Paw
5) Horses In The Sky

Explostions in the sky;
1) How Strange, Innocence
2) Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Die, Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Live Forever
3) Earth Is not A cold Dead Place
4) Friday Night Lights

Do Make Say Think;
1)&Yet & Yet
2)Winter Hymn Country Hymn Secret Hymn
2) Do Make Say Think
4)Goodbye Enemy Airship The Landlord Is Dead

Mogwai
1) Mogwai [EP+2] [EP]
2) Happy Songs For Happy People
3) Young Team
4) Come On Die Young
5) Rock Action

Tortoise
1) TNT
2) Millions Now Living Will Never Die
3) Standards
4) It's All Around You

Bark Psychosis
1) Hex
2) Codename:Dust sucker

TalkingHead
06-17-2005, 01:58 PM
Well, hope you like this guys. Feel free to add mroe recs and Ill add them to the post.

EightMilesHigh
06-17-2005, 01:59 PM
That was cool. It was very detailed, especially considering post-rock is kind of a hard genre to nail down.

gaslight
06-17-2005, 02:10 PM
Nicely done, I remember reading that brief history of Post-rock on an internet site once.

Mogwai are easily one of my favourite bands in the world.

Interstate
06-17-2005, 02:13 PM
Sweet FG man :thumb:

I can't really think of anything to add.

Wanker
06-17-2005, 02:18 PM
Nice FG. But..

Nicely done, I remember reading that brief history of Post-rock on an internet site once.

123 :-/

biografiend
06-17-2005, 03:07 PM
Good job, but I have to agree with Wanker on the :-/ . You could have easily paraphrased it and made it your own.

Isn't Sigur Ros releasing an album this year, too?

Wanker
06-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Oh, and for more records:

1-Speed Bike - Droopy Butt Begone
Sigur Ros - Ba Ba Ti Ki Di Do (or however it goes)
Fly Pan Am - Fly Pan Am
Fly Pan Am - Ceux qui inventent n'ont jamai
Flying Saucer Attack - New Lands
Flying Saucer Attack - Flying Saucer Attack
Hope Of The States - The Lost Riots
Set Fire To Flames - All of their records

br3ad_man
06-18-2005, 07:50 AM
Post-Rock bands I love:

Sigur Ros, Explosions In The Sky, Mogwai

I like Godspeed and a couple of Do Make Say Think songs too.

Nicely done FG.

Iai
06-18-2005, 08:30 AM
Good work (even if plagiarism is one of the seven deadly sins of the Internet).
other six plz

gaslight
06-18-2005, 08:39 AM
1 - Misrepresentation of gender during teh cyber secks.
2 - ...I could think of one why couldn't I think of five more :angry:.

pixiesfanyo
06-18-2005, 08:54 AM
I've been looking for some Bastro for months.

I hear they own.

Wanker
06-18-2005, 10:27 AM
I'm having a tough time getting in The Red Sparowes, Isis and June of 44.

Mono and Mum are quite good though.

biografiend
06-18-2005, 12:55 PM
Yay for Mono and Múm!

even more records:
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Yanqui U.X.O.
Múm - Finally We Are No One
Múm - Please Smile Make My Noise Bleed
M83 - Before the Dawn Heals Us
M83 - Red Seas & Lost Ghosts
Ester Drang - Infinite Keys
Unwed Sailor - Marionette and the Music Box
The Workhouse - The End of the Pier

Tangy zizzle
06-20-2005, 11:44 PM
No US Maple or Dirty Three?

For shame.

ATM
06-20-2005, 11:48 PM
Mono are incredible

Daniel!
06-20-2005, 11:52 PM
Do all these bands sound like Sigur Ros? Because unless I'm in the right mood, Sigur Ros just bores the heck out of me. Please don't kill me.

Wanker
06-21-2005, 12:36 AM
Do all these bands sound like Sigur Ros? Because unless I'm in the right mood, Sigur Ros just bores the heck out of me. Please don't kill me.

They don't all 'sound' like Sigur Ros. But most of them use the same dynamics of build-up, climax, recede.

gaslight
06-21-2005, 02:06 AM
Do all these bands sound like Sigur Ros? Because unless I'm in the right mood, Sigur Ros just bores the heck out of me. Please don't kill me.

Nah they don't. I love post rock but I can't stand Sigur Ros either.

Delay Pedal Boy
06-22-2005, 10:24 PM
Pictures! Just kidding, Post-Rock is one of the styles where the performers' appearance is completely irrelevant. Well done, though.

Delay Pedal Boy
06-22-2005, 10:28 PM
The Books anyone? Lost and Safe rocks.

StandingStill
06-23-2005, 03:59 AM
65 Days Of Static - The Fall Of Math
The Album Leaf - In A Safe Place
The Album Leaf - One Day I'll Be On Time
All Combinations - Ghosts
Grails - The Burden Of Hope
The Murder Of Rosa Luxembourg - Secret Bark Language
On Fire - This Time It Is Forever
Mono - Walking Cloud And Deep Red Sky, Flag Fluttered And The Sun Shined
Mono - One More Step And You'll Die
Mono - Under The Pipal Tree
Red Sparowes - At The Soundless Dawn
Slowdive - The Doom Generation
Volta Do Mar - At The Speed Of Light Or Day
Don Caballero - Singles Breaking Up
Polmo Polpo - Like Hearts Swelling
Meanwhile...Back In Communist Russia - Indian Ink
Meanwhile...Back In Communist Russia - My Elixir, My Poison
The 90 Day Men - Hey, Citronella!
A Silver Mount Zion - Born Into Trouble As The Sparks Fly Upward
ISIS - Panopticon
That'll do for now.

Bartender
06-24-2005, 03:11 AM
Eno's music is generally ambient. Post-rock utilises ambience quite a bit, but it's not the same.

Wanker
06-24-2005, 01:43 PM
Hmm, I wonder what happened to TalkingHead. He hasn't been online since the day he posted this.

He should come back. :(

Happymeal
06-24-2005, 03:57 PM
I don't have a clue why some people call Isis post-rock

br3ad_man
06-24-2005, 06:45 PM
Because they're good.


There are a lot of similarities though. Sort of.

Interstate
06-24-2005, 07:30 PM
The Books anyone? Lost and Safe rocks.

It does indeed :thumb: The Lemon Of Pink is one of my favourite post-rock albums (if that is what it is classified as) The Books are becoming one of my favourite bands methinks.

gaslight
06-25-2005, 12:23 AM
I don't have a clue why some people call Isis post-rock

Neither do I really. I love Isis, they're amazing, and I listen to them alongside Mogwai quite a bit, but I've always thought of them as some kind of metal.

pixiesfanyo
06-25-2005, 09:30 AM
Yeah calling Isis post-rock is like calling City of Caterpillar post-rock

Iai
06-25-2005, 06:16 PM
I've always heard Isis called post-metal.

Happymeal
06-25-2005, 06:20 PM
I vaguely remember them being called sludge metal ever so often some time before post-rock became a trend.

TalkingHead
06-25-2005, 08:34 PM
Nicely done, I remember reading that brief history of Post-rock on an internet site once.



Nice FG. But..



123 :-/


I trully apologize about that. I honestly was planning to write a personal FG, but I had some serious personal problems occuring to me. I really wanted to post an informative Post Rock thread so I looked around and this was the best I found. I intended to add the soucre and credit them, but I forgot to bookmark the site.

Sorry :upset:.

ArC
07-02-2005, 01:21 AM
I'm getting more and more into post-rock everyday. Ever since I read br3nd_man's review on Sigur Ros - (), i've been hooked. My favorites are Sigur Ros, Godspeed, and Mogwai.

I'm also very big on Sludge Metal / Post Metal these days. Isis is definatly one of the more well known bands, with good reason. I really suggest anyone into Post Rock give Isis's last 2 albums (Oceanic and Panopticon) a listen. Another band i'm really into lately is Jesu. Imagine Isis like layers, built over very subtle guitar, and low, soulfull vocals. Definatly check out Jesu's self titled LP if you enjoy bands like Mogwai and Godspeed.

Another note worthly Post Rock / Metal band are The Red Sparrows. They are an instrumental 4 piece with members of Isis, Halifax Pier, and Neurosis contributing. One of my favorite things about them, is that if you put the track titles from their album, At The Soundless Dawn, together, they form a poem. If you like The Red Sparrows, and want to try something a tad heavier, give Pelican a listen.

Godflesh, Neurosis, 5ive, Yeti, and Old Man Gloom are very worth checking out as well. Great FG man.

Bartender
07-03-2005, 12:57 PM
^Have you heard Jesu's Heart Ache EP? I ask only because I think I'd recommend it above their album.

ArC
07-04-2005, 12:39 PM
I've only heard their self titled, and some of their live stuff. What kind of stuff is on the EP?

Bartender
07-04-2005, 01:35 PM
It's largely the same style as the self-titled, I just think it's better overall. One of the biggest differences is that the EP is made up of two 20-minute tracks, which get across the sense of vastness and being epic more effectively than the album tracks, reasonably lengthy though they are, do.

I still think Tired of Me is probably the best song they've done so far though, to be fair.

ArC
07-04-2005, 05:29 PM
Tired of Me is definatly a highlight of the LP. I'm really interested in the EP now, I'll try and find it. Speaking of Jesu...I just got their self titled on vinyl. I'm very excited to see what differences (if any) the vinyl version has over the album.

3rdplanet
07-10-2005, 09:43 AM
Cool FG.

I'm a fan of post-rock. Fave bands are probs Pelé, 65daysofstatic, Mogwai, Mono, M83, The Red Sparrowes and the like.

Ah Do Make Say Think are very good too.

Godflesh, Neurosis, 5ive, Yeti, and Old Man Gloom are very worth checking out as well. Great FG man.

How would you describe Godflesh? Are they more like Cathedral?

It's the same guy from Jesu isn't it?

Clunge
08-06-2005, 06:27 AM
Amplifier are a fantastic post-rock band

Robert Crumb
08-24-2005, 01:50 AM
This has kinda been dead for a while, so would it be cool if I did a new one? I'm thinking about doing one for Soul but I fear that it will be massive. Really, really massive.

Robert Crumb
08-24-2005, 09:34 PM
Yeah, I think I will do it. Even though the only people who will probably read it are you, Iai and the other three people who read my reviews. But like that's ever stopped me before. :D

I'll try to add some downloads and pictures.

DFelon204409
06-19-2007, 12:41 PM
It's funny to read this again and see how everything feels stale in retrospect. If you all had to choose the current Top 5 post-rock bands who would they be? Maybe I should just make a new thread. Bump nonetheless.

Meatplow
06-24-2007, 09:11 AM
Nice article, though i'm a little confused here.

Were these bands in the era of Joy Division you mention the origins of post-rock, experimenting outside of conventional structure? Then it progressed to today's bands such as Mogwai and Sigur Ros.

Also are Public Image Limited considered a post-rock band?

telemore
06-29-2007, 11:10 AM
oh my from the vaults....

Do Make Say Think are my all time favorite band. They can do no wrong imo.

And Mono a close right behind oh dear.

Eliminator
06-29-2007, 11:31 AM
The 1991 album Spiderland is one of the most influential and underrated albums of the 90's.

lol

Happymeal
06-29-2007, 02:52 PM
Elim you're such a deviant

big80smullet
09-09-2007, 11:05 AM
My favourites are Russian Circles, EITS, GYBE and Colditz Glider