The Official AFI Thread

[Rise Me Up]

God called in sick today is their best song imo.


Have you heard any old stuff? Such as,Very Prud of Ya?

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Yes, i have it :-/

[Rise Me Up]

Yes, i have it :-/


Oh. Most people just prefer old stuff,so I thought it was odd.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Actually, no.

My favourite AFI album is Sing The Sorrow i think.

So, yeah.

[cheeser_1]

Their cover of Halloween is also miles better than the orginal.absolutely.

as for the dumb fans, i think that after a while, i've just sort of decided that i really don't care what a bands fans do. it's not like the band picks their fans, let alone controls what they do. the fact that they have stupid fans may indicate something about them, their music, or their marketing, but it's not necessarily negative or even important.

[maco]

God called in sick today is their best song imo.
certainly, thouggh some would argue it has a reputation thanks to the crowdwalking...there's sooo many that make me go "no that one! no, that one's best!" Over-Exposure, Last Kiss, Prayer Position, TBWDTW, Ever and a Day, Of Greetings and Goodbyes, A Story at Three, Now the World, and Synesthesia are all pretty DAMN high up on the list

[maco]

Have you heard any old stuff? Such as,Very Prud of Ya?
oh the old stuff like that is fine, but it sort of has the "silly punk" thing. I like the depth of the post-Advent-of-Jade stuff, though it was starting to appear while Mark was there, especially in the A Fire Inside EP, but a little in SYMAOYE too.

[maco]

I was just watching a Quicktime version of TLSP2 and realized there's a guy floating. I never saw it before (thanks to Windows Media's crappy resolution).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/macoafi/tlsp2-floating.jpg
Anyone know what that's about?

[cheeser_1]

Anyone know what that's about?
it's a special effect! wheeeeeeeeeee.

[Gnarmageddon]

I was just watching a Quicktime version of TLSP2 and realized there's a guy floating. I never saw it before (thanks to Windows Media's crappy resolution).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/macoafi/tlsp2-floating.jpg
Anyone know what that's about?
Maybe he's diving into the pit or something? :confused:

If not, then that's really weird.

[maco]

no, he's just floating....i found out that apparently the director just superimposed a slow-mo during editting

[cheeser_1]

yeah, it's definitely slow-motion, but it looks to me like he's just slow motion jumping (off a trampoline or something).

[honkybrewster]

Have you heard any old stuff? Such as,Very Prud of Ya?
Yeah, I even have a vinyl of Answer That, but I still prefer the later stuff. Albums like Shut your Mouth, Black Sails, and Art of Drowning.

[albert_bass]

Art of drowning is awesome, my favorite album by them.

[honkybrewster]

Mine too!

[albert_bass]

^
Cool

Their cover of Halloween is also miles better than the orginal.

Everyone knows the misfits aren't exactly awesome at musicianship, they just wrote some really catchy tunes. Also AFI's original of Totalimmortal is better than Offspring's cover.

[honkybrewster]

Yeah, the Offspring version bothered me. But COME ON! Without the Misfits we might not even have AFI.

[albert_bass]

I've never really liked them. Only Static Age and to an extent... and I like several of their other songs but that's all, American Psycho for example.

[Gnarmageddon]

Their cover of Halloween is also miles better than the orginal.
Agreed. The outro gives me the willies every time I listen to it.

[maco]

Actually, look at the tracklistng INSIDE the the All Hallows EP. Halloween comes last. Now look at inside of the handle part of the case. It says "Boo!" on BSITS it says "Beyond and to all time I stand" and on AOD it says "Battled." Since BSITS and AOD both have things about the bonus track, Boo! would logically have to be about a bonus track too. Because Halloween is listed last inside, that means it was originally supposed to be track 4, which would make that end stuff a bonus track titled Boo! except that Alan Forbes messed up the tracklisting in his art and Nitro found it easier to simply rearrange the songs than actually photo-edit the artwork (Nitro's lazy like that. 6 years later and Last Kiss & Weathered Tome are STILL switched). In conclusion, that music is not an outro, but a misplaced bonus track titled Boo!

[kerr69]

they rock i like the songs over exsposure and day of the phenox

[fatwreckpunk]

maco... do you know everything about this band ? sounds like you are more obsessed to them than my girlfriend. Her whole room is completly covered in AFI stuff from vinyls /posters to lit bar signs

[Gnarmageddon]

Actually, look at the tracklistng INSIDE the the All Hallows EP. Halloween comes last. Now look at inside of the handle part of the case. It says "Boo!" on BSITS it says "Beyond and to all time I stand" and on AOD it says "Battled." Since BSITS and AOD both have things about the bonus track, Boo! would logically have to be about a bonus track too. Because Halloween is listed last inside, that means it was originally supposed to be track 4, which would make that end stuff a bonus track titled Boo! except that Alan Forbes messed up the tracklisting in his art and Nitro found it easier to simply rearrange the songs than actually photo-edit the artwork (Nitro's lazy like that. 6 years later and Last Kiss & Weathered Tome are STILL switched). In conclusion, that music is not an outro, but a misplaced bonus track titled Boo!
Ok. :upset:

I never noticed the Boo! thingy. I always thought they did a creepy thing at the end since the song is about Halloween.

[fatwreckpunk]

i noticed it but i didnt know what it was to do with

[maco]

maco... do you know everything about this band ? sounds like you are more obsessed to them than my girlfriend. Her whole room is completly covered in AFI stuff from vinyls /posters to lit bar signs
there was a lot of discussion about Boo! probably 3 times since I joined the AFI board a year ago, so I've kind of learned it....I went through an obsessive phase like a year ago where I learned a bunch, but I don't go hunting for info (anymore). I started a fansite, but it's not done. I *plan* to have as many text interviews as I can find on there too...

[FlamingCouch]

I dig em.

[wicky428]

I can't stand them, i find Davey Havock's vocals whiny and annoying.

[El_Shiznit]

I can't stand you.




But you did revive my favorite thread, so thanks I guess.

[Sleeper]

I've never really liked them. Only Static Age and to an extent... and I like several of their other songs but that's all, American Psycho for example.
I also liked Famous Monsters.

[cheeser_1]

I can't stand them, i find Davey Havock's vocals whiny and annoying.
who's more whiney, the whiney singer, or the whiney jerkoff on the internet who whines about it?

[Sleeper]

I don't consider Davey's vocals whiny.

[albert_bass]

I like Davey's vocals. It's a clearly recognizable style and his singing is good.

[wicky428]

Sorry people, i just don't like them. I suppose everyone's entitled to their own opinion even if you think it's wrong or right.

[albert_bass]

Sorry people, i just don't like them. I suppose everyone's entitled to their own opinion even if you think it's wrong or right.

I think your other post was pretty correct. Well the correct thing to say would be polite.

[maco]

I like Davey's vocals. It's a clearly recognizable style and his singing is good.
yeah, i love his singing

[fatwreckpunk]

i think as his voice is so distinctive, this makes him a good singer. He is not the same as all other punk singers around. Unique = good

[Oz Rembrandt]

I do like Daveys vocals. More now than back during "Answer that...", but they are pretty distinctive, and he can hold notes well, and hit high ones well too.

[fatwreckpunk]

i think they used to be a bit whiney, now it doesnt bother me so much

[SkateNate83]

I went and saw them on thier "Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes" tour in a local club here in Houston and it was freakin great. After that they became my favorite band for quite some time(hence the tattoo). AFI was great all the way up until after "The Art OF Drowning". After that I kind of slowly but surely stop listening to them. It just seemed like he was trying to hard to be emo. :(

[RCVA]

You'd think you'd have run out of things to talk about by now...

[slit_21]

I dont really like them. they are really winey and kind of depresseing but i havent hear all of there stuff

[cheeser_1]

why does no one understand what emo is? why? these people keep talkin, it's like god is shitting in my ears, 24-7.

[Hep Kat]

the best fooking punk band ever

[skaterdan07]

Im getting really tired of people putting bands down just because they make smart business decisions!
Would you rather they stay underground so only a handful of people can hear them?
The truth is, despite what people say, this is these peoples JOBS! This is how they make a living and earn money to feed their families. Granted, you can be "in it just for the music" but c'mon! They signed to Dreamworks to 1) Get out to a wider audience, nothing wrong with that, and 2) TO EARN SOME MONEY! People need money to live. If you dont think so, go live under a bridge and eat out of the garbage.
A band gets successful, wants to spread their fan base, wants to make smart decisions, they get labelled as sell outs by geeks who dont want anyone to enjoy a band but themselves. It happened to Green Day after American...., happened to Alkaline Trio, its now happened to AFI
The fact is, AFI are a successful band, and my opinion is, your jealous.

And, fyi, theres only about 2 songs on the whole of the Sing The Sorrow album, their major label debut, that would get onto MTV.

Now go die.

Rant over.

Thank you finally someone who understands!!! i mean ya some bands may have "soldout" but hey what about all the bands in the 80's they had music videos... did they sellout? and ya greenday "soldout" i dont care too much for there new album but if you had a chance to make a major comeback like they did with all the publisity they got from it i wouldnt hesitate to do the same. they proabably made 5mil easily off that album and such. AFI is still good no matter what old and new are both good but not as equal... Amen

[Sleeper]

I dont really like them. they are really winey and kind of depresseing but i havent hear all of there stuff
I recommend you listen to there older stuff. A lot of funny/cool songs.

[SkateNate83]

why does no one understand what emo is? why? these people keep talkin, it's like god is ****ting in my ears, 24-7.

Dude, Emo is short for emotional and thats exactly what I meant.

[Brain Toad]

Emo stands for emotional hardcore, not just emotional.

[Sam]

I love it when people don't know their history.

[maco]

Dude, Emo is short for emotional and thats exactly what I meant.
Emo and emotional lyrics are two different things. Rap's pretty much the only unemotional music (if it's music). You can't have music without emotion. Music IS emotion put into sounds. Emo means "emotive hardcore." That'd be stuff like Rites of Spring, Embrace, or Fugazi.

[Brain Toad]

Emo and emotional lyrics are two different things. Rap's pretty much the only unemotional music (if it's music). You can't have music without emotion. Music IS emotion put into sounds. Emo means "emotive hardcore." That'd be stuff like Rites of Spring, Embrace, or Fugazi.

There is plenty of rap with emotion, just none of it is popular.

[ALL15000]

well actually not all music has emotion. if you look at songs like "loose nut" from black flag, or "see her pee" by nofx you dont find much emotion. thats what i think anyway.

[Brain Toad]

There is emotion put into all songs, whether it be sillyness or happiness, or sad. Every song has emotion, whether it was put there by the aritsts, or some behind the scenese songwriter.

[maco]

There is plenty of rap with emotion, just none of it is popular.
you're right. I should have specified "mainstream rap" and used the word "most" because there are a few good rap songs...

[ALL15000]

[QUOTE]
yeah thats true. i guess i was just thinking "not every song is emotional."

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Hey um, can anybody give me a link for some rare Afi tracks?
Thatd be cool, thanks.

[cheeser_1]

There is plenty of rap with emotion, just none of it is popular.which makes me sad. or should i say, it makes me emo. ;)

Hey um, can anybody give me a link for some rare Afi tracks?
Thatd be cool, thanks.
shizzy and maco have like, ever rare afi song ever. they should be able to hook you up somehow or another.

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Wow you reply fast, but uh, I saw their links but they expired or something

[BlastFunk03]

I'm quite fond of that secret song on i think answer that and stay fashionable, though i could be wrong. It's called man in a suitcase, and it's got a ska guitar riff, which sounds extremely different for afi.

[cheeser_1]

man in a suitcase, it's by the police, unless i'm remembering that wrong.

[RetiredAt21]

Man in a Suitcase is a cover? I didn't know that.

[El_Shiznit]

Yep. It's a Police cover.

[RetiredAt21]

Wow, I had no idea.

[fatwreckpunk]

they really should tour UK soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Hep Kat]

no they shouldn't

[fatwreckpunk]

why shouldnt they ?

[Fish]

because

[Shwoopadafwoop]

When is the next Afi single going to be released?

[Flagjacket]

I'm going to guess November, but your avatar makes me want to puke.

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Ouch, Im sorry, I love them, but not as much as Afi

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Ok there, this one shouldnt make you puke, and it fits the thread

[Flagjacket]

Wow, you actually changed your avatar. That makes me feel empowered.

[Sleeper]

I haven't heard much from Shut Your Mouth & Open Your Eyes, any songs i should check out from that album.

[Gnarmageddon]

I haven't heard much from Shut Your Mouth & Open Your Eyes, any songs i should check out from that album.
pH Low
Lower Your Head And Take It In The Body
Coin Return
Third Season
Salt For Your Wounds
Triple Zero

It was their transition album into hardcore, so it's a lot different from their other albums. If you wanted me to, I could upload it.

[Sleeper]

pH Low
Lower Your Head And Take It In The Body
Coin Return
Third Season
Salt For Your Wounds
Triple Zero

It was their transition album into hardcore, so it's a lot different from their other albums. If you wanted me to, I could upload it.
I would really apreciate that.

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Another good one on Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes is A Single Second, I like the bass in the beginning and the background singing

[El_Shiznit]

Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes is maybe my second favorite AFI album now. I listen to it more than all the others nowadays. The song 'Coin Return' rules so much. So much passion towards the end.

[myassitches]

i think theyre a very talented band, especially jade puget

[Gnarmageddon]

I would really apreciate that.
I'll upload it tomorrow.

Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes is maybe my second favorite AFI album now. I listen to it more than all the others nowadays. The song 'Coin Return' rules so much. So much passion towards the end.
Yeah, same here. I used to hate it and I thought it was crappy, but the more I listen to it, the more I like it. Triple Zero is my favorite song off of it.

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Depending on my mood, my three favorite albums from Afi are Art of Drowning, Answer That and Stay Fashionable, and Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes. They're all very overall great albums. I also dont think their new stuff is as bad as everyone says.

[Sleeper]

I'll upload it tomorrow.

Thanks :).

[big eskimo pimpin]

The song 'Coin Return' rules so much. So much passion towards the end.

Quoted for truth.

[Gnarmageddon]

AFI - Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes
hxxp://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=20WEEY7X842M33A1EFCCG5K0IK

[Sleeper]

AFI - Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes
hxxp://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=20WEEY7X842M33A1EFCCG5K0IK
Thanks again.

[theGirlwhoLived]

i love 'em. like many others i like their old stuff better than their new stuff, ie black sails and shut your mouth. they shouldn't be completely ruled out because their new stuff is different, however. i'm not really sure what to think of it though.

[Sleeper]

I cant place there album Sing The Sorrow in a genre.

[evan6the9punk]

AFI is a really good band. when i first heard them i kind was taken aback by the sheer power, which i mistook for a thrash band. But now i couldn't live with out them. I own A Retrospective and answer that and stay fasionable. what i like is the crazy bass lines and fills and davey voice. awe inspiring

[Flagjacket]

AFI is a really good band. when i first heard them i kind was taken aback by the sheer power, which i mistook for a thrash band. But now i couldn't live with out them. I own A Retrospective and answer that and stay fasionable. what i like is the crazy bass lines and fills and davey voice. awe inspiring
I can understand misplacing AFI in genres, but a thrash band? What, do you listen to nothing but like, the Specials?

[cheeser_1]

the specials are thrash too. everything is thrash, it's like jesus or the force or something.

[Cheap-Sex]

AFI=Sellout emos that suck.

[RetiredAt21]

What an idiot.

[blacklantern]

Yet another moron who has said that afi is emo...

[RetiredAt21]

I still don't understand why so many people think AFI is emo. It could be that MTV is to blame, I'm not sure.

[cheeser_1]

most likely. MTV is responsible for 45% of all bad things that ever happen.

[Brain Toad]

It's all your guys fault. I went and downloaded another AFI album the other day. Haven't listened to it though.

My opinion has changed since the time where some skater kid I was friends with in 9th grade tried to force them down my throat and I was too busy being cool with my Eminem.

[RetiredAt21]

I think most of us, at one point or another were being cool with Eminem. I know I was.

[El_Shiznit]

Same thing happened with me. I was all into rap (especially Eminem) when a friend of mine showed me some bands. A few bands I remembered hating. AFI and Minor Threat.


Times have changed.

Which one did you download by the way?

[RetiredAt21]

I used to hate all punk rock in general. I was as gangsta as it gets.

[albert_bass]

I used to listen to 5 or so Eminem songs but I've never really liked rap much.


Except Bloodhound Gang's rap songs because Bloodhound Gang absolutely rule.

[RetiredAt21]

Bloodhound Gang make me giggle.

[albert_bass]

I don't know what's giggle but it doesn't sound very good.

[El_Shiznit]

Back in the day, I was mostly reppin' anything by anyone in Wu-Tang, DMX, and Eminem.



Giggling is like laughing, Albert.

[RetiredAt21]

Wu Tang represent.

[albert_bass]

Oh then yeah, I laugh everytime I listen to Why's everybody always picking on me. They are genius.

[Brain Toad]

Same thing happened with me. I was all into rap (especially Eminem) when a friend of mine showed me some bands. A few bands I remembered hating. AFI and Minor Threat.


Times have changed.

Which one did you download by the way?

Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes

I already have Sails from the Top 100 (I downloaded them all) and I have All Hollow's EP and The Art of Drowning.

[albert_bass]

AOD is my favorite AFI album.

[El_Shiznit]

Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes

I already have Sails from the Top 100 (I downloaded them all) and I have All Hollow's EP and The Art of Drowning.
Ah, tis a good one. To this day, it's my favorite hardcore album by any band. Black Sails, AOD, and the EP are all kind of similar in a sense. Shut Your Mouth... is a pretty different than those. Still amazing. And if you like it, check out their Self-Titled EP.

[ThePassionOfTheKasey]

This kid told me that AFI used to have a different name than "a fire inside", but he said it was still the acronym AFI, and wouldn't tell me what it was. Am I just incredibly gullible?

[Brain Toad]

Listening to Shut Your Mouth and it is pretty good stuff. Saying Davey is whiny is really off. His voice matches the music really well and it's welcome sounding compared to the growling and grunting of a lot of modern hardcore, and some punk.

[El_Shiznit]

This kid told me that AFI used to have a different name than "a fire inside", but he said it was still the acronym AFI, and wouldn't tell me what it was. Am I just incredibly gullible?
It's a rumor that hasn't been confirmed. A lot of people think it used to stand for "Asking For It". Makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised because back in the day, "A Fire Inside" seemed like something a lot more deep than the band was back when they formed. People tend to think this was true because in their first few CD booklets, they said you could write to the band at "Asking For It..." then some other things I forget now.

The only thing the band says about it, is the following:
Davey, Adam, Hunter, and Jade have always been "A Fire Inside".

But Jade wasn't even in the band until Black Sails in the Sunset. There is a line in track one of Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes that reads "We are the ones who have a fire inside." I think maybe they thought that would be a good name after it was written and changed it around the time of the S/T EP. But that's just my guess.

[albert_bass]

Old AFI is amazing. My favorite songs are Cereal Wars and A Single Second but they have a lot of goodies.

[RetiredAt21]

Asking For It would be a pretty good hardcore band name.

[Hep Kat]

cruise control= awesome but newish stuff= awsomer

[SlapnPop]

I like both old and new AFI, I own the Art Of Drowning, have downloaded Sing The Sorrow and other older tracks. I like the song I Wanna Get A Mohawk(But My Mom Won't Let Me Get One). Sing the Sorrow seems quite a bit different than their older stuff, but not in a bad way.

[Hep Kat]

all afi whether its asking for it or a fire inside is all awesome.

[Sleeper]

Same thing happened with me. I was all into rap (especially Eminem) when a friend of mine showed me some bands. A few bands I remembered hating. AFI and Minor Threat.


Times have changed.

Which one did you download by the way?
AFI is the only band that i hated for a while, and now are one of my favorite bands.

[guns_of_brixton]

I love playing God Called In Sick Today on guitar.

[Lazybassplr56]

I just got Shut Your Mouth and Open your eyes and it was okay.

[maco]

It's a rumor that hasn't been confirmed. A lot of people think it used to stand for "Asking For It". Makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised because back in the day, "A Fire Inside" seemed like something a lot more deep than the band was back when they formed. People tend to think this was true because in their first few CD booklets, they said you could write to the band at "Asking For It..." then some other things I forget now.

The only thing the band says about it, is the following:
Davey, Adam, Hunter, and Jade have always been "A Fire Inside".

But Jade wasn't even in the band until Black Sails in the Sunset. There is a line in track one of Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes that reads "We are the ones who have a fire inside." I think maybe they thought that would be a good name after it was written and changed it around the time of the S/T EP. But that's just my guess.
I'm with you. At they're first show (I read an article by the guy that organized it) they showed up after it was booked and said "Can we play? We only have a few songs, so we won't take long" and the guy asked their name. Davey said "We're AFI" "What's AFI stand for?" "A Buncha ****in' Idiots" "Where's the B?" "That's why we're A Buncha ****in' Idiots!"

It's on this website (http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/05.25.05/lakeport-0521.html)

[maco]

Same thing happened with me. I was all into rap (especially Eminem) when a friend of mine showed me some bands. A few bands I remembered hating. AFI and Minor Threat.


Times have changed.

Which one did you download by the way?
hahhaa dittos....I think it was Norma Jean that I heard...still can't stand it....I like the RBF and Anti-Flag now though....AFI came laaaaater

[maco]

When is the next Afi single going to be released?
When they finish recording and mixing. Do you think they're gonna release it before Davey's even done the lyrics?

[RetiredAt21]

That'd be kinda cool. They are all capable musicians, it could just be an instrumental.

[maco]

That'd be kinda cool. They are all capable musicians, it could just be an instrumental.
Like "Boo!"?

[El_Shiznit]

More like "No Dave Party". That song is pretty cool and catchy. I would listen to it a lot more if it wasn't a hassle to get to.

For those that don't know, the song I'm talking about is a hidden track on Very Proud Of Ya. But instead of being on the end of the album, it's before track one. If you own the CD, rewind right when track one starts to play, and you will find this song. It's an instrumental, hence the title: "No Dave Party".

[cheeser_1]

is it on the vinyl?

[El_Shiznit]

I am not sure. I would think if it was, it wouldn't have been so hard to find considering the physics of a vinyl disc. But it seems it took a while for everyone to find that song. So my guess is no, but if you give it a try, I would like to know.

AFI's vinyl versions always get extra songs that CD owners don't get, so they still got one up on compact disc people.

[RetiredAt21]

Is it a pretty good instrumental?

[El_Shiznit]

Meh, it's nothing spectacular. Actually it's kind of Ramones-esque with an AFI twist. Not bad. I would listen to it every time I put that album on, if it was in the middle of the album. On my car CD player, if I go too far back, it will go to track 20. And you can't Fast-Forward from there because it will go straight to track 1. So it takes a few tries to get the whole song for me. So, yeah..... pain in the arse.






And congratulations guys. We made it a whole page without a random moron calling the band emo. :chug:

[RetiredAt21]

I think we've enlightened all of those idiots. If one more person calls AFI emo, I will throw used condoms at them!

[El_Shiznit]

Though they may be used, I'm running low..................



















AFI IS SOOO EMO. FAGS!

[RetiredAt21]

Let the condom throwing commence!!!!!!!

[cheeser_1]

i have a stockpile of condoms. because i gather them thinking "i should always be prepared" but i never have occassion to use them.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

so AFI aren't emo, what are they?

[RetiredAt21]

punX.

[Oz Rembrandt]

so AFI aren't emo, what are they?

Pop-Punk.

[El_Shiznit]

NO!

They only have a few pop-punk songs. And that isn't enough to make a band pop-punk.

I just call them a hardcore band, overall because they have played hardcore, melodic hardcore, and post-hardcore. Those three genres make up the majority of their catalogue, so that's why I say hardcore. As of today, they are closer to a post-hardcore band. But who knows what genre they'll go into on their next album?

[RetiredAt21]

Hardcore punX.

[alkalinesk8er]

NO!

They only have a few pop-punk songs. And that isn't enough to make a band pop-punk.

I just call them a hardcore band, overall because they have played hardcore, melodic hardcore, and post-hardcore. Those three genres make up the majority of their catalogue, so that's why I say hardcore. As of today, they are closer to a post-hardcore band. But who knows what genre they'll go into on their next album?

I would agree that they were a hardcore band, but they're new album reminds me a bit of bauhaus, with the electronic stuff and the moody, jagged guitars. I would say Sing the Sorrow is more of a goth album than it is post-hardcore. I see bands like Fugazi being post-hardcore. Sing the Sorrow sounds nothing like anything Fugazi's ever done.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

I find them hard to classify. I've got their mp3s chucked in emo on my puter because it's kinda punk and its got emotions in it. But I don't bother with sub-sub genres classifying my mp3s. I don't think melodic or post hardcore takes the gothy influence in enough, I mean songs like "god called in sick today" definately have something that no other band in those subgenres has. I love the way they use backing vocals, the spooky, atmospheric whooo-oooh noises they use in songs like god called in sick and the boy who destroyed the world. Even thier 30 second song on "short music for short people" had cool backing vocals.

[cheeser_1]

shizzy is right.

[RetiredAt21]

When has shizzy ever led us astray?

[El_Shiznit]

:cool:





By the way kids, there is no such genre as "goth" and "goth" does not have a sound associated with it, so there is no way the band is goth or has goth influences.

[RetiredAt21]

But what about the Cure, they are SOOOO gawticz.

[cheeser_1]

gawticz.that hurts my brain.

[Berserker!]

:cool:





By the way kids, there is no such genre as "goth" and "goth" does not have a sound associated with it, so there is no way the band is goth or has goth influences.

I have to agree. 'Goth' whatever can only be reflected in a band's lyrics and general demeanor and fashion, not their music.

[RetiredAt21]

Cheeser, why does that hurt your brain?

[maco]

:cool:





By the way kids, there is no such genre as "goth" and "goth" does not have a sound associated with it, so there is no way the band is goth or has goth influences.
But there IS Goth Industrial. We've got a "goth industrial rave" around here called Ceremony. It's supposed to be really fun. Oh, and The Southern Death Cult/The Death Cult/The Cult sort of encompassed the transition from punk-goth punk-goth industrial.

[maco]

More like "No Dave Party". That song is pretty cool and catchy. I would listen to it a lot more if it wasn't a hassle to get to.

For those that don't know, the song I'm talking about is a hidden track on Very Proud Of Ya. But instead of being on the end of the album, it's before track one. If you own the CD, rewind right when track one starts to play, and you will find this song. It's an instrumental, hence the title: "No Dave Party".
We forgot Initiation.

[cheeser_1]

Cheeser, why does that hurt your brain?cause it's like a word, except it isn't, and it's all funny and.. *brain explode*
But there IS Goth Industrial. We've got a "goth industrial rave" around here called Ceremony. It's supposed to be really fun. Oh, and The Southern Death Cult/The Death Cult/The Cult sort of encompassed the transition from punk-goth punk-goth industrial.eh, but as far as i know, that's really more about the fashion/scene/whatever.
i could be wrong. people play up the fashion way too much in that end of the things, as far as i've ever noticed. so that may explain why it's a big deal.

[Brain Toad]

cause it's like a word, except it isn't, and it's all funny and.. *brain explode*
eh, but as far as i know, that's really more about the fashion/scene/whatever.
i could be wrong. people play up the fashion way too much in that end of the things, as far as i've ever noticed. so that may explain why it's a big deal.

Goth could be used to describe some bands, a lot of it IS their association with the fashion and scene, but it's still used as a classification. And some industural gets it. HIM gets is, but they just suck and hot topic fags like them.

[cheeser_1]

Goth could be used to describe some bands, a lot of it IS their association with the fashion and scene, but it's still used as a classification. And some industural gets it. HIM gets is, but they just suck and hot topic fags like them.
agreed, except for the unnecessarily homophobic language.

[maco]

Goth could be used to describe some bands, a lot of it IS their association with the fashion and scene, but it's still used as a classification. And some industural gets it. HIM gets is, but they just suck and hot topic fags like them.
Siouxsie and the Banshees and Skinny Puppy are both considered goth.

I like HIM.

That was a very rude word you used.

[Brain Toad]

Siouxsie and the Banshees and Skinny Puppy are both considered goth.

I like HIM.

That was a very rude word you used.

Skinny Puppy borders industrial as well.

I'm usually a very rude person/

[maco]

Still no reason to use that word

[El_Shiznit]

You fags are ruining this thread.

[Berserker!]

agreed, except for the unnecessarily homophobic language.

Yeah, I agree. Fag isn't a nice word at all.

/serious

[RetiredAt21]

Seriously though, this thread is being ruined. Stop talking about s'hitty goth bands. Like anyone cares in the first place.

[Brain Toad]

You fags are ruining this thread.

:upset: that isn't nice Dustin


I'm sorry for everyone thinking me saying fag was so awful. I'll try not to say it front of such sensative people again.

[RetiredAt21]

I really don't think it's awful. Seriously, it's just a word, and although it's a pretty mean word, it's just that, a word. You could be doing worse things than saying "fag" on an internet forum, like going out and beating up gay people or something.

[cheeser_1]

so? beating up gays isn't as bad as killing them, does that make it okay?

[Brain Toad]

Stop. Now. This thread was fine and spam free. Don't ruin it.

[RetiredAt21]

So, did anyone else think the solo from Dancing Through Sunday is as spectacular as I think it is?

[cheeser_1]

So, did anyone else think the solo from Dancing Through Sunday is as spectacular as I think it is?
i think it's quite good.

[RetiredAt21]

I wish I could "shred" like that.

[Sleeper]

Dancing Through Sunday is my favorite AFI solo, anyone have a favorite AFI solo?

[Gnarmageddon]

Are there really any other ones? I can't think of any.

[RetiredAt21]

There's one in 6 to 8, but it's nothing special. Anyone could play it.

[Gnarmageddon]

I guess the beginning of God Called In Sick Today could be counted as a solo. Jade's the only guitar player, so it makes sense that there aren't many.

[El_Shiznit]

There are some solo's from Mark on early AFI.


Nothing compared to "Dancing Through Sunday" though. I wish I could play that, but I don't think I'll ever be that good.

I still like "6 to 8"'s solo better. For lack of a better term, it sounds more "soulful".

And I wouldn't call GCIST's intro a solo per se.

[_ThisSecretNinja_]

I like the Dont Make Me Ill solo :lol:

[Gnarmageddon]

The intro to Don't Make Me Ill is great. What is that taken from?

[cheeser_1]

let's not forget that wonderful tapping part from the leaving song pt. 2. not a solo, so much as an intro, but he definitely deserves some credit for that one.

[RetiredAt21]

Yeah, the intro to that song is pretty good.

[cheeser_1]

i need to learn how to tap.

[Oz Rembrandt]

There are some solo's from Mark on early AFI.


Nothing compared to "Dancing Through Sunday" though. I wish I could play that, but I don't think I'll ever be that good.

.

That is air guitar material.

[alkalinesk8er]

i need to learn how to tap.

It's really easy. Have your finger on the second note in the progression and reach for the third as you smack a finger from your other hand on the first.

Too bad you almost always sound like cheese metal whenever you do it though.

[RetiredAt21]

Tapping is really easy. The first tapping part I ever learned was the intro to Lip Gloss and Black by Atreyu. :(

[cheeser_1]

this is the part where i roll up a newspaper and smack you.

[RetiredAt21]

What the crap? I thought we were buddies? :(

[cheeser_1]

we are buddies. but sometimes you need discipline. and not the bedroom kind either.

[Brain Toad]

I was thinking about AFI last night in the moments trying to get to sleep (my second best thinking place, next to the shower). And I remembered hearing Girls Not Grey when it had first come out as a single in a record store and liking it a bit. So I thought I should check them out more. I never reeally did, I think I got I Want a Mohawk, but had a computer crash and lost all my mp3s (this was before I got a new computer). So I thought about it, and if I had checked them out, I'd probably have the same opinion I have now. And since this was the time I was first getting into punk, if I had gotten into them then, I think I may of gotten into other hardcore easier, because of the similarities, and now I'd probably be able to stand bands like Carry On and Comeback Kid for more than one song every month or so.

[RetiredAt21]

But Cheeser, I'm not a puppy.

[cheeser_1]

But Cheeser, I'm not a puppy.i don't know that for sure. if a sign-language monkey can us AIM, i'm sure a puppy could post on an internet forum.

[alkalinesk8er]

I was thinking about AFI last night in the moments trying to get to sleep (my second best thinking place, next to the shower). And I remembered hearing Girls Not Grey when it had first come out as a single in a record store and liking it a bit. So I thought I should check them out more. I never reeally did, I think I got I Want a Mohawk, but had a computer crash and lost all my mp3s (this was before I got a new computer). So I thought about it, and if I had checked them out, I'd probably have the same opinion I have now. And since this was the time I was first getting into punk, if I had gotten into them then, I think I may of gotten into other hardcore easier, because of the similarities, and now I'd probably be able to stand bands like Carry On and Comeback Kid for more than one song every month or so.

Yeah they're old stuff is the definition of "a starter hardcore band".

[Brain Toad]

I'm sure many of you are quite knowledgable of AFI, so I encourage you to submit a Band bio blurb for the Top 100 Punk Bands. If you think you can do a good one, email it to me at braintoad@gmail.com

EDIT: BERSERKER! is doing it...

[Gnarmageddon]

AFI - All Hallows EP
hxxp://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AJD9EB7HXCNK3SCA9LLD9IN89

I uploaded it in the YSI thread. Here it is if anyone else wants it.

[RetiredAt21]

Sweet, thanks.

[Sleeper]

AFI - All Hallows EP
hxxp://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AJD9EB7HXCNK3SCA9LLD9IN89

I uploaded it in the YSI thread. Here it is if anyone else wants it.
You've just made my day, thanks alot dude.

[Sleeper]

I'm sure many of you are quite knowledgable of AFI, so I encourage you to submit a Band bio blurb for the Top 100 Punk Bands. If you think you can do a good one, email it to me at braintoad@gmail.com

EDIT: BERSERKER! is doing it...
El_Shiznit would be a good person to do it also.

[Brain Toad]

Berserker! retracted his dibs.. so it's free. I just want someone to do it.

[El_Shiznit]

I might do the blurb if I am bored sometime soon. I don't really want to commit to anything right now. Even if it is one paragraph on a band I know a lot about. I would rather someone else do it, but do the band justice if you do.

[Original Gangsta!]

i think that the last album was pretty boring...

i dont really consider them punk....

[Brain Toad]

i think that the last album was pretty boring...

i dont really consider them punk....

Listen to their early stuff, all of it is either hardcore-punk or post-hardcore.

I didn't like Sing the Sorrow, except when I first heard Girl's Not Grey.

[cheeser_1]

yeah, nick's right, and to be honest, it doesn't matter what you think.

[Original Gangsta!]

yeah, nick's right, and to be honest, it doesn't matter what you think.

lol cause im a dumbass? well then what is this "earlier stuff"

tell me a song name or something...

although im not a big fan of hardcore

agnostic front is about it for me

[afireinside4848]

They were okay/good til they sold out.

And by 'sold out' I mean changed their sound to get on MTV, made music videos, signed a major label for money and raised ticket prices for their shows.

i undertand they changed their music style,but gradually,and the ticket prices may be nitro records doing,remember they put out the retrospect cd without the band knowing,and sum video are from older stuff but believe or not many ppl who watch MTV dont know them,i respecr ue opionion but i think they changed more then soldout,

[cheeser_1]

lol cause im a dumbass?
no, because who they are is not a matter of opinion, especially your uneducated opinion. check out the album "very proud of ya." i'd say that's the best starter album, although "answer that and stay fashionable" works well too. go to the YSI thread or something, or look around online, or *gasp* go buy it.

[Gnarmageddon]

Once again, I uploaded these (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9296558&postcount=2542) in the YSI thread, if anyone wants them.

[maco]

I was thinking about AFI last night in the moments trying to get to sleep (my second best thinking place, next to the shower). And I remembered hearing Girls Not Grey when it had first come out as a single in a record store and liking it a bit. So I thought I should check them out more. I never reeally did, I think I got I Want a Mohawk, but had a computer crash and lost all my mp3s (this was before I got a new computer). So I thought about it, and if I had checked them out, I'd probably have the same opinion I have now. And since this was the time I was first getting into punk, if I had gotten into them then, I think I may of gotten into other hardcore easier, because of the similarities, and now I'd probably be able to stand bands like Carry On and Comeback Kid for more than one song every month or so.
That's like me. When I was starting to get into punk, it was from my step-bro who hates AFI. And I hated hardcore. It was a year after Sing the Sorrow that I heard The Art of Drowning. Then by going backwards I got used to hardcore. I think listening to TAOD, BISTS, and SYMAOYE is the only reason I like hardcore now.

[RetiredAt21]

I think the Art Of Drowning is my favorite AFI album.

[ShadowRaven]

Once again, I uploaded these (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9296558&postcount=2542) in the YSI thread, if anyone wants them.

Thank you so much for uploading those!

[RetiredAt21]

Again, thanks a bunch.

[maco]

According to afiseries.com Davey says that the album should be out around early 2006. No one's sure if that's a hint at release date or it's a safe margin for error.

[RockThe40oz!]

the best thing to happen to punk? haha. i dont think so.

[El_Shiznit]

According to afiseries.com Davey says that the album should be out around early 2006. No one's sure if that's a hint at release date or it's a safe margin for error.
I'm going to go with release date, just because those bastards always fail to meet the deadlines. Or so that's the case in recent times.

[RetiredAt21]

I'm hoping they go back to the "old" AFI sound on the new record. I really didn't care for Sing the Sorrow at all. Except for Dancing Through Sunday, that song is pretty awesome.

[SlappedByTheClash]

AFI are hit or miss with me.


Like most people, I have the standard older stuff is better view.

[El_Shiznit]

I hope they don't go back to old. I wouldn't mind if the style is similar to Sing The Sorrow. But I think I would really prefer they do something completely different.

[SlappedByTheClash]

I hope they don't go back to old. I wouldn't mind if the style is similar to Sing The Sorrow. But I think I would really prefer they do something completely different.

There's a Myspace profile that has some B-sides to Sing The Sorrow, and they're really good. They have like old school AFI tempos with the little goth thing they got going on now, and it's a good compromise.

[Hep Kat]

anything afi does for the new album will be awesome cause ya know it's afi .......man!

[Jester06]

afi is my favorite bAND and always will be

[Drummer Ted]

Worst pop act since Green day

[maco]

There's a Myspace profile that has some B-sides to Sing The Sorrow, and they're really good. They have like old school AFI tempos with the little goth thing they got going on now, and it's a good compromise.
B-sides? Do you mean Synesthesia and Now the World? They're not B-sides really. They were the bonus tracks on the UK version of Sing the Sorrow, though Now the World was also on the Japanese one. The demo of Synesthesia is on a few of the singles too. Now the World is a re-recording of the one that was on the 336 10" vinyl (aka the Now the World Picture Disk). The only difference is what Davey shouts in the chorus. In the original he said "I wanted this excorciation. I thrive on this self-mutilation" and in the new recording he says "I wanted to excorciate. I remain and self-mutilate."


I'm going to go with release date, just because those bastards always fail to meet the deadlines. Or so that's the case in recent times.
When was Sing the Sorrow originally supposed to be released? They're already past the original "guesstimate" for the release--this past spring.

I'm hoping they go back to the "old" AFI sound on the new record. I really didn't care for Sing the Sorrow at all. Except for Dancing Through Sunday, that song is pretty awesome.
They will never go back to the old sound. They've matured and are beyond that stage besides having much better musical skills than the old stuff required. The old stuff was a result of bored kids not knowing how to play attempting it anyway. The new stuff involves actual skill. They never "re-create" an album because that would be boring, and it would be moving backward instead of foreward.

I hope they don't go back to old. I wouldn't mind if the style is similar to Sing The Sorrow. But I think I would really prefer they do something completely different.
There's supposed to be more electronic layering. They also said something about "cold pop" which generally is interpreted as "Cure pop". Davey and Jade love the Cure and are the principal songwriters, so it makes sense that they'd sort of emulate what they like to hear. It won't be industrial though. I think Blaqk Audio is Davey and Jade's way of keeping their industrial-love from taking over AFI.

[cheeser_1]

Worst pop act since Green day
stop complaining about green day in every thread. get over it.

[maco]

AFI's cover of Dag Nasty's "Values Here" (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2H0RCLQADIOVP2INM5TOF59NHU)

[RetiredAt21]

That's pretty good, I like it.

[DaveToopes]

AFI's cover of Dag Nasty's "Values Here" (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2H0RCLQADIOVP2INM5TOF59NHU)

Yeah that's pretty good.

[alkalinesk8er]

AFI's cover of Dag Nasty's "Values Here" (http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2H0RCLQADIOVP2INM5TOF59NHU)

That is so good I just can't get over it.

[Weezerfan_returns]

Worst pop act since Green day

Shut up.

[RetiredAt21]

Drummer Ted is an idiot.

[El_Shiznit]

I got the Give 'Em The Boot DVD a few days ago, and just got around to watching it. Up until the end, I was slightly disappointed. I mean, it was great seeing a lot of bands I like (Rancid, Tiger Army, LFATB, Nerve Agents, etc.), but Davey kept making cameos all over the place. And the no AFI live footage was disappointing me. But at the end, Davey sang on an acoustic song with Tim Armstrong. And on Rancid's last song they played live, Davey did the lead vocals for all of it.

So I was satisfied.

[Gnarmageddon]

What song did he do vocals on?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Recently, I've been getting back into AFI. I love them.

[El_Shiznit]

What song did he do vocals on?
Not positive, but I think the song is called "Radio". I know the song, just not good with titles. :p

And I just found out that the acoustic was "Knowledge" by Op Ivy. I'm not really into them, so I didn't know. Just knew I heard it before.

[S.T.I]

That Dag Nasty cover was great. Tim and Davey's acoustic version would be intresting.

[SlappedByTheClash]

Yeah, it was Radio.


The description of that DVD was completely misleading in some cases. The Iggy Pop part was really lame (why the hell is Brett trying to play drumbeats on his knees?)most of it was good though.

[Dave de Sylvia]

B-sides? Do you mean Synesthesia and Now the World? They're not B-sides really. They were the bonus tracks on the UK version of Sing the Sorrow, though Now the World was also on the Japanese one. The demo of Synesthesia is on a few of the singles too. Now the World is a re-recording of the one that was on the 336 10" vinyl (aka the Now the World Picture Disk). The only difference is what Davey shouts in the chorus. In the original he said "I wanted this excorciation. I thrive on this self-mutilation" and in the new recording he says "I wanted to excorciate. I remain and self-mutilate."

My single of Girl's Not Grey has, I believe, demo versions of Now The World and Reiver's Music on it. Perhaps that's what he was referring to.

[maco]

My single of Girl's Not Grey has, I believe, demo versions of Now The World and Reiver's Music on it. Perhaps that's what he was referring to.
That's UK single #1 and those are the 336 songs. It took me like 2 days to realize that the poster is the same as the front picture on it :p

[cheeser_1]

And the no AFI live footage was disappointing me. .go beat up somebody at nitro until they put out a DVD.

[RetiredAt21]

Is there any good live footage of AFI? If there is, I'd like to see it.

[maco]

www.afiseries.com register for the message board and go to the download spot....pretty much everything's there

[RetiredAt21]

Sweet, thanks.

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Wow, those live videos are pretty sweet...
I want to see them so bad... :upset:

[GermFreeAdolescent]

Eh, no matter how hard I tried to get into them, I just couldnt, but the band really is'nt bad, I just dont enjoy them. Decent music compaired to what other modern music there is.

[maco]

Wow, those live videos are pretty sweet...
I want to see them so bad... :upset:
yeah they're awesome....oh download the god called in sick today from the independent days in bologna....someone grabs davey's crotch and he beats them with the microphone

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Maco, how many times have you seen them?

[Shwoopadafwoop]

Oh yea, and i saw that God Called In Sick Today video, haha...
Was Davey smiling afterward, or was he really ticked off?

[gabrielbassandguitar]

[COLOR:DarkSlateBlue]xxx[COLOR]
they`re have a really good songs...but they`re not a Punk band.,..they`re just a Neo-punk or happy punk

[RetiredAt21]

Neo punk? Happy punk? Stop making up genres.

[Anarcho Poser]

Neo punk? Happy punk? Stop making up genres.
Someone has to do it.

[cheeser_1]

Someone has to do it.yes, but let's leave it to someone who can figure out how to work the color tag.

[SantaDuJuan]

yes, but let's leave it to someone who can figure out how to work the color tag.

YOU DO HAVE A POINT

[cheeser_1]

bingo!

[RetiredAt21]

Seriously though, neo punk and happy punk. That's retarded. Worst made up genres ever.

[maco]

Maco, how many times have you seen them?
I've just watched them on my computer screen like 20 times

[maco]

Oh yea, and i saw that God Called In Sick Today video, haha...
Was Davey smiling afterward, or was he really ticked off?
he like, looked down at the guy and shouted "omnipotence" at him and then the "smiley" face is more of a growl i think

[RetiredAt21]

Why would he get mad about that though?

[samayoa_danny]

i really like them from what ive heard

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Two questions:
1. When the hell was the last time they toured East Coast? I haven't heard about a show with them for like 2 years.
2. What is taking so long with the new album? ****!

[cheeser_1]

1) warped tour 2004?
2) *shrug*

[Hep Kat]

i'm getting bored with sing the sorrow i really want the new album soon and i hope its good...