What do you see in a poser?

[Steerpike]

Stop being stupid.

Ahem. Sar-ca-sm.

[Joe]

good charlotte, people that follow trends.

*cough*badpost*cough*

just because you don't the music doesn't make them posers. if they like all their songs they're not posers. posers are people that like zeppelin because of stairway to heaven and that's the only song they like. or they like metallica because all they're heard was enter sandman. someone who is not a poser likes a lot of there music, likes similar styles/bands, etc.

[RiceMonster]

*cough*badpost*cough*

just because you don't the music doesn't make them posers. if they like all their songs they're not posers. posers are people that like zeppelin because of stairway to heaven and that's the only song they like. or they like metallica because all they're heard was enter sandman. someone who is not a poser likes a lot of there music, likes similar styles/bands, etc.
I'd only call people like that posers if they claim to be big fans of the band. I almost never say "poser" anyway, because the word is mostly used as a form of elitistism(sp?).

[thefictionwelive]

Idk... the people that work at my cell phone company are posers... they come up and they're like "you out of minutes" and I'm all "but I just bought minutes" and they say "$1 a day and 25 cents to connect" and I'm like "you guys are posers" and then they start rapping... its quite ridiculous

[thefictionwelive]

ok I dont see why everybody is dissing on slipknot, they are probably my favorite band next to SoaD. Now I understand about people wearing slipknot shirts so look "goth", thats just plain retarded. but I have a couple of slipknot shirts that I wear once in a whil e but that shouldnt make me a poser just because I wear there shirts, Hell I have a Pink floyd shirt too that I wear and yes I listen to them. so basically what I'm saying( to all those people who didnt want to read the begginging of my post) is that yes you are a poser if you wear a shirt of a band and you dont even like them but if they are your fav. band it is alright. o yah i almost forgot, Yes punk does suck harcore


even though I am not a fan of slipknot, I almost agreed with you, but then I read the last line and was like "nah"

no genre sucks.

[fallenstar]

I'd only call people like that posers if they claim to be big fans of the band. I almost never say "poser" anyway, because the word is mostly used as a form of elitistism(sp?).
what does elitism mean?

[fallenstar]

Idk... the people that work at my cell phone company are posers... they come up and they're like "you out of minutes" and I'm all "but I just bought minutes" and they say "$1 a day and 25 cents to connect" and I'm like "you guys are posers" and then they start rapping... its quite ridiculous
Quit the job then and tell them 2 burn in hell. Thats what I would do of course Im going 2 college. Some people wouldnt be able 2 afford that.

[Mr Benners]

No offence fallenstar, but you have to be one of the worst posters I have ever seen on these boards. You offer nothing new to your own thread, and merely seem to come in to say "That band sucks, they are posers", funnily enough the bands you say this about are the ones that it is "cool to hate". Perhaps you should be looking closer to home for a definition of poser.

No offence of course...

[Follow The Reaper]

Mudvayne is not complex they are posers as well.
You are exactly what poser is , you define it perfectly. :thumb:

[noodaloot]

Hey I attack the wannabes by tellling them there music sucks like the good charlotte idiots who think good charlotte is (goth) metal.

plus if I didn't beat up the posers then metal would suck in my general area...
PREPOSTEROUS! good charlotte is some DEATH METAL

[ArmyofDarkness7]

i have some,

one is downloading music(if you don't get why i think that's being a poser, ask me)

two is saying you're a huge fan of a band because you like two songs/buying a shirt for that reason

three is worshipping someone that just died from a band when you never heard of them before. for example a bunch of people here in my city worship dimebag only becaues he died.

four is saying you're part of a specific culture. for example saying you're a metalhead, emo, goth, punk, ect. when you dont know anything about the culture or you think you are cool saying it.



those are my definitions, if you missunderstood something you can ask me. and if you dont get what i said, ask first before saying "..what you just said makes you the real definition of a poser" because you most likely understood something.

[Steerpike]

one is downloading music(if you don't get why i think that's being a poser, ask me)

You're going to have to clarify. I download music to sample new bands and see if it's worth the nivestment of buying their albums.

[ArmyofDarkness7]

In my point of view, posers are:

-People who simply download music, never buy any albums, and yet still claim to love a certain band.
-People who go into Hot Topic and buy a shirt of a band, yet not own any albums from that particular band.
-People who buy the latest album by a band that's been around for many years, but claim to have liked them for the longest time.
-People who go to a concert of a band they've simply heard of off of MTV, but not actually know any of their songs.


well put

[ArmyofDarkness7]

You're going to have to clarify. I download music to sample new bands and see if it's worth the nivestment of buying their albums.

what i mean is like, if you download music, thats saying "you recorded this for seven hours, i'm going to take it" as oppose to someone who acutally buys the album, which is saying "you spent nine hours recording this, i appriciate your time and effort, good job"

and also i know people who have itunes just to store their music, not to buy songs or albums, and have programs to download music for free. they dont go on itunes to just hear samples of songs, they just go straight to their download program and hear the song that way. if you still dont get what i mean, i can explain agian if you need me too

[Steerpike]

what i mean is like, if you download music, thats saying "you recorded this for seven hours, i'm going to take it" as oppose to someone who acutally buys the album, which is saying "you spent nine hours recording this, i appriciate your time and effort, good job"

and also i know people who have itunes just to store their music, not to buy songs or albums, and have programs to download music for free. they dont go on itunes to just hear samples of songs, they just go straight to their download program and hear the song that way. if you still dont get what i mean, i can explain agian if you need me too

No I understand. In most cases, I wouldn't call getting freebie music like that being a poseur. I'd call it either douche-baggery, cheapskate-ness, or ignorant ****-face-ism.

As I said, myself and others download music through Limewire and the like as a way of checking out new artists. I pirated some tracks off of Blind Guardian's NIME and ANATO albums, and bought both because I liked what I heard.

[ArmyofDarkness7]

No I understand. In most cases, I wouldn't call getting freebie music like that being a poseur. I'd call it either douche-baggery, cheapskate-ness, or ignorant ****-face-ism.

As I said, myself and others download music through Limewire and the like as a way of checking out new artists. I pirated some tracks off of Blind Guardian's NIME and ANATO albums, and bought both because I liked what I heard.

yea i completely understand, i just meant people who do it because they are wayy lazy to just go out to but an album. if you do it just for a week or a little while because you are broke at the moment or something, i can understand



and i completely forget some other definitions i have for being a poser(i'll put it for some genres) the poser part is what posers would say they like to be apart of that culture, as oppose to real bands of that genre:

1. 'poser' metal: slipknot, korn, ect
real metal: Iron Maiden, DragonForce, ect

2. 'poser' punk: good charlotte
real punk: the ramones

3. 'poser' rock: simple plan, uh.. i dont know any other ex. cause i know what real rock is lol.
real rock: ac/dc, the beatles, queen, etc.

[James Van Halen]

Greg (Guitar) is a great guitarist, and his guitar lines fit perfectly with the singing and the basslines, just completing perfected music. They work hard to create their music, and it is extremely well written.
I can play every Mudvayne song ever written and I find them boring and unchallenging, and which one is making the money? It's a ****ed up world...
I don't nessecarilly think Mudvayne are posers, but they ARE a ****ty band.

As far as this whole thing about downloading music, I download music, but mostly because I hate getting a CD of a band i've never heard and finding out that they suck. Like Mortification, for example. I got EnVision EvAngeline thinking they were a good band, and it turned out to be the most atrocious attempt to make metal i've ever heard with maybe the exception of Betrayal.
Sometimes I download music just because I have opressive parents that think they have the right to not allow me to buy music of bands that aren't christian. So in turn, 90% of the black metal I like I only have on my computer and that's all i'll have it on until I get a job this fall...

[Crysiss]

I can play every Mudvayne song ever written and I find them boring and unchallenging, and which one is making the money? It's a ****ed up world...
I don't nessecarilly think Mudvayne are posers, but they ARE a ****ty band.

If they're such a ****ty band,why do you bother playing everyone one of their songs? You my friend are trying to look like the bigger man, but hey....its only my opinion so dont get pissed off

[Steerpike]

I could watch this all night.

Wait... no I couldn't. I don't want to. Take it outside, boys.

[Crysiss]

i bet you could watch it all night, just imagine if this thread just stops lol, staring at a frozen screen all night long.
I also have no comments on anything else, except that posers over exagerate mostly everything about music

[James Van Halen]

Well for one thing, I used to love them. It takes a while to mature musically. Other thing is I have a friend that loves them and he's always asking me to learn their ****.
And by the way, I meant that more to say that I have the ability to play all their songs, not that I already know how to play them all. I'm not trying to be conceited, not at all. I'm not very good actually, but that's more of what my point is.

[Steerpike]

i bet you could watch it all night, just imagine if this thread just stops lol, staring at a frozen screen all night long.

:rolleyes: Cute, but ineffectual. You want to try it again? I've still got some time to kill before practice.

[James Van Halen]

Your sarcasm amuses me

[Crysiss]

Well for one thing, I used to love them. It takes a while to mature musically. Other thing is I have a friend that loves them and he's always asking me to learn their ****.
And by the way, I meant that more to say that I have the ability to play all their songs, not that I already know how to play them all. I'm not trying to be conceited, not at all. I'm not very good actually, but that's more of what my point is.

ok ok, so your bestest friend in the world luvs them. I wasn't saying that just because i like mudvayne, i actually don't like them it just sounds like a stupid thing to say lol "i can play all of their songs" that is a pretty weird thing to say, but i guess your answer was pretty reasonable :thumb:

[Shattered_Future]

1. 'poser' metal: slipknot, korn, ect
.

Alrighty then...time for me to rip you a new one. :)

Korn have been here since 1993 (or so). When they first came, they weren't trying to follow the stereotypes of the genre, or trying to fit in. They were ORIGINAL...no other band sounded like them at the time.

Course, after their first few albums, they plummeted off the deep end, but at the time, they were one of the most original bands out there today.

Slipknot...again, they were pretty original at the time. Even before their first widely released album, they were even more original...they experimented a lot more than other bands dared to. The masks? A marketing gimmick...plenty of bands have them. Take a look at black metal...a trademark of black metal today is corpse paint. Does this make the bands poser, just because they decide to wear heavy makeup? No. Is Slipknot poser because they wear masks? No. It may be a bit riduculous for some, but they have their own schtick, and they do it quite well.

Have a nice day. :) And do your research first.

[bassplayer]

In all fairness, that might be genuine ignorance, perpetrated at least in part by the media. I've seen bands like Green Day described as "punk legends" in magazines that really ought to know better. I'd say elements of being a "poser" only come in when you insist that you're right, ignoring people that actually know what they're talking about, and refusing to listen to people who are actually trying to help you.


ya, i used to think greenday and gc were punk, untill my friend jilly told me its not. and that changed my world forever, now i know that punk is bands like; the exploited, the casualties, and aus rotten. even though i just listen to a little bit of punk

[Metalhead1409]

I listin to bands like Metallica, Rammstine, Megadeth, Korn, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest. Although metal is my favrite type of music I also like bands like GC, Simple Plan, and Green Day. I think thats because of the overwellming population of preps in my town. :upset: Does this make me a poser?

[Shattered_Future]

I listin to bands like Metallica, Rammstine, Megadeth, Korn, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest. Although metal is my favrite type of music I also like bands like GC, Simple Plan, and Green Day. I think thats because of the overwellming population of preps in my town. :upset: Does this make me a poser?

If you like certain bands, no.

However, if you claim these bands are your favorite, and think you're oh so hardcore because of it, or claim they have the most talent and are the best band ever, even though you don't have a song by them to your name, then yes, you are a poser.

[Steerpike]

I listin to bands like Metallica, Rammstine, Megadeth, Korn, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest. Although metal is my favrite type of music I also like bands like GC, Simple Plan, and Green Day. I think thats because of the overwellming population of preps in my town. :upset: Does this make me a poser?

No. Just means you're not overly picky about what you listen to.

[RiceMonster]

If you like certain bands, no.

However, if you claim these bands are your favorite, and think you're oh so hardcore because of it, or claim they have the most talent and are the best band ever, even though you don't have a song by them to your name, then yes, you are a poser.
Exactly. Being a poser involves a mindset, not what bands you listen too. Someone can like Blink 182 and not be a poser, but if they say "i r00l blink iz t3h hardc0re punkz!!!!!!1111111", then they are a poser.

[Shattered_Future]

Exactly. Being a poser involves a mindset, not what bands you listen too. Someone can like Blink 182 and not be a poser, but if they say "i r00l blink iz t3h hardc0re punkz!!!!!!1111111", then they are a poser.

Quoted for truth.

I like Blink-182 also...its good happy music once in awhile.

Good to have something simple to listen to occasionally.

[Metalhead1409]

I'm friends with one guy who is kinda obsessed with Slipknot. He just all of a sudden started wearing the saim slipknot **** every day and belives slipknot is one of the greatest bands ever. I like the group but i dont think of them to be that great

[Shattered_Future]

I'm friends with one guy who is kinda obsessed with Slipknot. He just all of a sudden started wearing the saim slipknot **** every day and belives slipknot is one of the greatest bands ever. I like the group but i dont think of them to be that great

He has an opinion...nothing wrong with that.

When he forces others to believe with him in his opinion, THEN there is a problem.

[Metalhead1409]

true

[The Buttloaves]

"I like Children of Bodom. Bed of Razors is their best song"
then you instantly know it's the only song they have because they accidentally downloaded it while getting Good Charlotte

[Metalhead1409]

whats with all the slipknot bashing anyway? What makes them sellouts? Its just music.

[Steerpike]

I just find Slipknot to be obnoxious garbage with nothing particularly musically interesting. I never really say them as anything groundbreaking or even special to begin with.

Not in relation to the music, but I also think their singer is a pretentious ***.

Anyway, that's just my stance. I feel that the American metal scene has watered down significantly since the explosive surfacing of the death metal scene in the late 80's. There are still good bands here, but they're getting harder and harder to find.

[The Buttloaves]

I just find Slipknot to be obnoxious garbage with nothing particularly musically interesting. I never really say them as anything groundbreaking or even special to begin with.

Not in relation to the music, but I also think their singer is a pretentious ***.

Anyway, that's just my stance. I feel that the American metal scene has watered down significantly since the explosive surfacing of the death metal scene in the late 80's. There are still good bands here, but they're getting harder and harder to find.
yeah Corey said their 3 albums were the best albums of all time. :rolleyes:

[Metalhead1409]

thats why all the old metal bands like Judas Priest and Motley Crue are coming back. They dont like what we have to listin to nowadays.

[Steerpike]

thats why all the old metal bands like Judas Priest and Motley Crue are coming back. They dont like what we have to listin to nowadays.

I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more the fact that since metal is becoming popular again, record companies are willing to promote them more.

[RiceMonster]

thats why all the old metal bands like Judas Priest and Motley Crue are coming back. They dont like what we have to listin to nowadays.
Are you saying metal today is garbage? That is very wrong; Slipknot is a total disgrace to most of the metal out there.

[The Buttloaves]

Are you saying metal today is garbage? That is very wrong; Slipknot is a total disgrace to most of the metal out there.
I like a lot of new metal. Especially the New Wave of American Heavy metal minus Slipknot and Killswitch Engage. So that leaves....Lamb of God and Shadows Fall.... :upset:
at least according to my friend's Guitar One, those are the 4 bands heading the NWOAM

[Steerpike]

Speaking of new metal, I posted two mp3s of Lunatica in the Up and Coming Bands thread. Proof that metal is not dead or dying. It's merely gone underground.

[The Buttloaves]

yeah.

[Starship]

A "poser" is a person who attempts to blend into a specific social group..
i.e. Someone who hears one Pink Floyd song and goes out to buy a tshirt. From Hot Topic of course!

But, People who listen to Slipknot, etc. etc. aren't posers if they actually listen to the music and enjoy it. Although I don't know how you could. -_-

[Metalhead1409]

dont bet me wrong. I do like new metal. I just like the older stuff better

[Steerpike]

dont bet me wrong. I do like new metal. I just like the older stuff better

How much of the new stuff have you heard?

[Metalhead1409]

I listin to Korn and stuff like that

[The Buttloaves]

no. just no.

[Metaljonus]

/does'nt care for people trying to be someone or something they really are'nt.

[Steerpike]

I listin to Korn and stuff like that

Okay. Let me think for a minute... Okay, here's some new bands and some relatively new ones who are worth a look:

Iced Earth
Kamelot
Lunatica
Wuthering Heights
Lost Horizon
Children of Bodom
Kalmah
Norther
Skyfire
Cryonic Temple
DragonForce
Firewind
Human Fortess
Melechesh
Opeth
Wintersun

Some of those are more extreme than others, but they've all got very strong qualities.

[Shattered_Future]

Add to list: Nightwish, Nile, and Arch Enemy.

Otherwise, a good list.

[James Van Halen]

I wasn't saying that just because i like mudvayne, i actually don't like them it just sounds like a stupid thing to say lol "i can play all of their songs" that is a pretty weird thing to say, but i guess your answer was pretty reasonable
Point taken, I should've been more exact with what I said.

I just find Slipknot to be obnoxious garbage with nothing particularly musically interesting. I never really say them as anything groundbreaking or even special to begin with.

Not in relation to the music, but I also think their singer is a pretentious ***.

Anyway, that's just my stance. I feel that the American metal scene has watered down significantly since the explosive surfacing of the death metal scene in the late 80's. There are still good bands here, but they're getting harder and harder to find.
I agree. Most good metal these days isn't in America. Sweden and Norway are my favorite countries as far as metal is concerned. America still has great bands like Iced Earth and Nile to it's name though.

[Shattered_Future]

Point taken, I should've been more exact with what I said.


I agree. Most good metal these days isn't in America. Sweden and Norway are my favorite countries as far as metal is concerned. America still has great bands like Iced Earth and Nile to it's name though.

Yea...American metal is slowly circling the drain...

Killswitch Engage and Shadows Fall are decent though.

[Steerpike]

Actually I forgot a lot of bands.

Nightwish
Nile
Arch Enemy
Angra
Edguy
Hammerfall
Symphony X
Mastodon

[James Van Halen]

I like some of Shadows Fall, but i'm not big on Killswitch Engage.

[Shattered_Future]

Rhapsody? Sonata Arctica?

I'm just throwing out power metal bands off the top of my head...its late, and i can't think straight.

[James Van Halen]

I might get killed for this, but I still enjoy a lot of Dimmu Borgir. Everybody hates them now, but I really enjoy their orchestrated stuff.

[Shattered_Future]

I like some of Shadows Fall, but i'm not big on Killswitch Engage.

Well, more "popular" metal bands, mind you...

I'm sure there's some great underground metal act that the US hasn't discovered yet.

And Dimmu Borgir is decent...i think they go a bit over the top with their image, but they have a few decent tunes.

[RiceMonster]

It seems Blind Guardian was left out of that list.

I'd also like to add:
Ulver
Immortal
Emperor
Darkthrone
Cryptopsy
In Flames
Lykathea Aflame
Mithras

[James Van Halen]

Is Otep any good?

[Shattered_Future]

Hey...i forgot there were other genres than metal there for a minute. :confused:

Stupid non-sleepiness...

Anyway...heres a few decent non-metal bands.

Alterbridge
Strung Out
Rise Against
Tool
311
Cold

Can't think of any more at the moment...

[Shattered_Future]

Is Otep any good?

Depends if you like the ultra-heaviness opposed to melody...

Personally, i like them. The chick from that band can outscream dozens, if not hundreds, of others, including guys.

[RiceMonster]

Hey...i forgot there were other genres than metal there for a minute. :confused:
What is wrong with you? There are no other genres! :p

[James Van Halen]

Please do not repeat the name of Alterbridge in a list of "decent" bands ever again. ;)

[Shattered_Future]

Please do not repeat the name of Alterbridge in a list of "decent" bands ever again.

Please open up your mind and do not judge the band just because they had former Creed members in it.

Seriously, Tremorti (sp?) can bust out great solos, and they have great guitar riffs as well. The drums, while they could be better, aren't complete crap, and the singing is heartfelt and emotional.

Sounds like a decent band to me...guess it all depends on your taste.

[Steerpike]

Please do not repeat the name of Alterbridge in a list of "decent" bands ever again. ;)

Alterbridge actually aren't bad. But Tremonti was way too over-zealous on that record. His solos slipped into the masturbatory too often.

[Metalhead1409]

I like alterbridge more than creed. never really got into them

[Steerpike]

Are any of you going to check out those Lunatica uploads I put up at all?

[RiceMonster]

Are any of you going to check out those Lunatica uploads I put up at all?
I'm listening to it now; excellent stuff :thumb:

[Steerpike]

Tell everyone else in the thread that. It's ridiculous what I have to go through to get people to listen to me when I tell them I've found a great band worth their attention.

[Immortalsoul]

Dimmu Bogir is a good band but them and slipknot is like the fastest bands they know of . Slipknot are sellouts.


Yep Slipknot are sell outs! Lets see: 3 Multi-Platinum selling albums, Sell out tours with other great bands, Very successful side projects, Um... Did I miss something? It's cool if you don't like them, but to say they are sell outs is just plain ignorant. :thumb:

[James Van Halen]

My appologies, but Alterbridge sounds way too much like Creed for me to stoumach. I have no doubts that Tremonti has talent, but he wastes it on crappy music IMO.

3 Multi-Platinum selling albums, Sell out tours with other great bands, Very successful side projects, Um... Did I miss something? It's cool if you don't like them, but to say they are sell outs is just plain ignorant.
To claim that they aren't sell outs 'cause they're succesfull is much more ignorant.

[mr black]

All i can say is ...wOOt :smash:

[blacklantern]

let everyone Woot away!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooot! Woot! Woot!

[James Van Halen]

Eh?

[superdigg]

eh, lame thread. it's not really an open question.

[Donnie Darko]

the people who write inverted pentagrams and upside down crosses all over their schoolbooks and pencil cases.

[Steerpike]

the people who write inverted pentagrams and upside down crosses all over their schoolbooks and pencil cases.

Not quite inverted pentagrams, but I've seen similar things. Jesus jumping Christ on a crutch, how I hate that.

[Happy]

I don't know i'm into metal and the scene in my area is punk/indie so i rarely meet any metalheads and i don't know what a punk poser's like.

[MC5]

some one that wears all hot topic clothes listens to **** bands like b182 gc slipknot etc etc etc mainstream bands like that always bitching about something and acts like life is hell that is what i think a poser is

[Majorthreat889]

scene kids are posers

[James Van Halen]

A lot of you are mistaking definitions. As stupid as you may think inverted crosses are, if they really are satanists or at least hate christianity, they aren't being posers. If they're doing it to be cool, they are.

[fallenstar]

Yep Slipknot are sell outs! Lets see: 3 Multi-Platinum selling albums, Sell out tours with other great bands, Very successful side projects, Um... Did I miss something? It's cool if you don't like them, but to say they are sell outs is just plain ignorant. :thumb:


They have the ability to play better metal but they choose not to like they have some songs are awesome then they have other songs that are ****ing gay. Im just saying thier not in it for the music itsself.

[fallenstar]

Whats the biggest poser youve ever seen?

[wearer of socks]

People who think image is more important than music.

[fallenstar]

exactly