The Trivium Thread, Bitches

[i am the robots]

Yellowcard. :o:upset:

:lol: you have to be kidding, Heafy's clean singing at live shows is better than that!

[nowitzki]

^:lol:

[smart blockhead]

Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

The chief export of Chuck Norris is Pain.

There is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist.

[Shred Danson]

Yellowcard. Niiiiiiiiiice. :lol:

Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

The chief export of Chuck Norris is Pain.

There is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist.

So old.

Oh, and Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his father.

EDIT: Typos suck.

[Britton]

Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

The chief export of Chuck Norris is Pain.

There is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist.


When are you gonna get banned?

[i am the robots]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11662980#post11662980
Hope you guys enjoy.

[AnotherGuitarist?!]

Trivium. Yeah, I used to be one of the bashers after hearing Gunshot, but with help from my friends, and extensive play on Kerrang and MTV2, it really grew on me.

Ascendancy and Ember to Inferno. Wow, two great records. Blew me away when I heard it all. Its too bad I wasnt converted a little bit earlier. Might've had a chance of getting a ticket to see em live.

They playing at Birmingham Academy on Thursday. Damn. Ah well, theres always Download Festival to see em at.

[AnotherGuitarist?!]

Trivium. Yeah, I used to be one of the bashers after hearing Gunshot, but with help from my friends, and extensive play on Kerrang and MTV2, it really grew on me.

Ascendancy and Ember to Inferno. Wow, two great records. Blew me away when I heard it all. Its too bad I wasnt converted a little bit earlier. Might've had a chance of getting a ticket to see em live.

They playing at Birmingham Academy on Thursday. Damn. Ah well, theres always Download Festival to see em at.

[Shred Danson]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11662980#post11662980
Hope you guys enjoy.

Honestly, that kinda sucked, man. :(

[SimonCore]

Like Light to Flies
Requiem
Rain
The Decieved
Ember to Inferno
Washing Away Me In The Tides
A Gunshot to the Head of Trepidation
Suffocating Sight
Dying In Your Arms

Medley of a lot of different stuff here (mostly just intros or main riffs):
Du Hast - Rammstein
Symphony of Destruction - Megadeth
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
Dammit - Blink 182
Jailbreak - Thin Lizzy
Seek and Destroy - Metallica
Domination - Pantera

Walk - Pantera
Master of Puppets - Metallica (with a random guy from the crowd singing on stage)

Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr

Not exact, but that's as much as I can remember.

Bah! No Drowned and torn asunder!:angry: I think they've been the set abit each night?

[i am the robots]

Honestly, that kinda sucked, man. :(

I hate you!1

[SimonCore]

So how bad is Matt Heafy live then?

[i am the robots]

So how bad is Matt Heafy live then?

You know the kind of grunty singing/shouting in the chorus of pull harder? When he says, 'It's our curse?'

Basically, his harsh parts are the same, but he sounds like that when he actually tries to sing, and he completely butchers the melodies of the choruses.

[2muchket!]

I hope hes good live Trivium are supporting Iron Maiden on their tour. I'm a big fan of both so I reall wanna go

[SimonCore]

AAHHHH it said on the website Matt's voice went the other night but it's recovering......i'm ****ing myself it's gonna go again and they're gonna cancel

[i am the robots]

Seriously, it's so irritating, why is he so Goddamn stubborn? Why doesn't he realize he's doing something wrong and probably needs lessons on proper technique?

[SimonCore]

Seriously, it's so irritating, why is he so Goddamn stubborn? Why doesn't he realize he's doing something wrong and probably needs lessons on proper technique?

I know. He's saying he has a throat infection as an excuse!

[i am the robots]

I know. He's saying he has a throat infection as an excuse!

Oh God, a throat infection that's lasted for like 3 years?

[SimonCore]

I don't care really as long as they play! they said they will never cancel a show.

[i am the robots]

I don't care really as long as they play! they said they will never cancel a show.

Haha, that's all good and fine, not canceling shows, but they should stop scheduling shows. They freaking do tours back to back half the time... Heafy wastes valuable time he could use improving his technique and just letting his voice rest.

[Shred Danson]

I hate you!1

You ****in' love me, you priss.


Haha, that's all good and fine, not canceling shows, but they should stop scheduling shows. They freaking do tours back to back half the time... Heafy wastes valuable time he could use improving his technique and just letting his voice rest.

True, if anything he's only damaging it even more...

[i am the robots]

You're right Trev, I do love you, you're so charming.

Seriously though, it's baffling why Heafy is doing it if it's hurting him so bad... it's like... you put your hand in a fire, and you get burnt, so you try it again anyway.

Plus, I have screamed with improper technique before, waaaay back like 3 years ago, I didn't know what I was doing and I was in a grind band... holy hell does it hurt!

[SimonCore]

You're right Trev, I do love you, you're so charming.

Seriously though, it's baffling why Heafy is doing it if it's hurting him so bad... it's like... you put your hand in a fire, and you get burnt, so you try it again anyway.

Plus, I have screamed with improper technique before, waaaay back like 3 years ago, I didn't know what I was doing and I was in a grind band... holy hell does it hurt!

when i scream in my band i just don't push with my throat and try to do it at speaking volume.

[Josh]

well, it appears i could be seeing Trivium in December :), provided i can get a ticket for Maiden before they sell out (will be my 3rd time seeing them lol).
what sort of show should i expect from Trivium?

[i am the robots]

when i scream in my band i just don't push with my throat and try to do it at speaking volume.

I've done that before, it tends to be very intense on the vocal chords though, it's best to just push some volume out, not ridiculously high or anything, but using the diaphragm.

[SimonCore]

I've done that before, it tends to be very intense on the vocal chords though, it's best to just push some volume out, not ridiculously high or anything, but using the diaphragm.

Well when i started off, i just literally screamed and tried to immitate the singers we were doing covers of. Then eventually i just found my own voice and learnt to use less volume and not pushing as hard withuot my throat hurting.

[i am the robots]

Well when i started off, i just literally screamed and tried to immitate the singers we were doing covers of. Then eventually i just found my own voice and learnt to use less volume and not pushing as hard withuot my throat hurting.

You probably figured out how to do it right, took me a while to do so too, :D.

The worst ever was at one point I was screaming and my voice blew out, it was like... high-pitched screaming to like... quiet squeel and intense pain.

[SimonCore]

You probably figured out how to do it right, took me a while to do so too, :D.

The worst ever was at one point I was screaming and my voice blew out, it was like... high-pitched screaming to like... quiet squeel and intense pain.

Is your scream high pitched then?

[Britton]

I've been writing lots of songs lately and of course I make lyrics and then sing them for everyone I know. so I was singing for my grandparents (keep in mind I don't have a good voice) and they were all impressed and offerd me singing lessons...so I'm not sure how much more screaming i'll be doing. I've always treated my voice as some sort of fill in until I can find a real singer...so I've done all the vocals.

But if I discover that it's just me singing wrong and my voice isn't that bad then I'll have to stop screaming

[i am the robots]

Is your scream high pitched then?

It used to be, I've learned to control my voice more over the past couple of years, Jesse Leach, Anders Fridén, and Dallas Taylor are like my heroes, so of course I realized how good it was to very things between high and low :D.

and Britton, when you're taking singing lessons, ask about screaming technique, if the instructor understands it, gg, if not, they'll say it's bad, then just torrent The Zen of Screaming.

[SimonCore]

I've been writing lots of songs lately and of course I make lyrics and then sing them for everyone I know. so I was singing for my grandparents (keep in mind I don't have a good voice) and they were all impressed and offerd me singing lessons...so I'm not sure how much more screaming i'll be doing. I've always treated my voice as some sort of fill in until I can find a real singer...so I've done all the vocals.

But if I discover that it's just me singing wrong and my voice isn't that bad then I'll have to stop screaming

Well it depends what type of band your in. Do your songs have more sreaming or singing in them? Make the choice.

[Britton]

Well it depends what type of band your in. Do your songs have more sreaming or singing in them? Make the choice.

Well...hmm..


I can send you some of my songs. The band is breaking up this weekend. I think I'd just rather sing.

[jaymz_is_god]

Bah! No Drowned and torn asunder!:angry: I think they've been the set abit each night?

****, I knew I'd forgotten something.

[toolfreak]

Yeah matt definently needs to rest his voice or he'll put out a ****ty album vocal wise...

[i am the robots]

Yeah matt definently needs to rest his voice or he'll put out a ****ty album vocal wise...

No he won't, Roadrunner will touch it up in the studio.

They even do that with good vocals.

[Huber]

I still have no idea what all this "butchering" talk is about.

Maybe he loses his voice, but it doesn't sound bad live. It sounded almost perfect at my show.

[Shred Danson]

You're right Trev, I do love you, you're so charming.

I knew you were queer.

No he won't, Roadrunner will touch it up in the studio.

They even do that with good vocals.

I have learned in my experiences in the studios that there is a way to alter vocals, make them sound better than they really are, or just add a lot more deep range to it, etc, etc...so that would make sense.

[SimonCore]

Well...hmm..


I can send you some of my songs. The band is breaking up this weekend. I think I'd just rather sing.


Oooh yeah that'd be interesting. You gotta a purevolume or myspace or do you want my e-mail? Which is postmortem@hotmail.co.uk

[SimonCore]

****, I knew I'd forgotten something.

So they did play it?

[.:Thrasher:.]

WTF is with Matt always making the crowd sing. ffs its so annoying

[toolfreak]

No he won't, Roadrunner will touch it up in the studio.

They even do that with good vocals.

Have you heard the end of the roadrunner united cd you reckon they like fully changed his voice seen as he like cant sing?

[Huber]

It's so mind boggling to me how you guys all say Matt does these things so much, when at the show I went to he did nothing like you guys say. Did I get like, the one and only good Trivium show or something?

[SimonCore]

It's so mind boggling to me how you guys all say Matt does these things so much, when at the show I went to he did nothing like you guys say. Did I get like, the one and only good Trivium show or something?

How long ago was it?

[nowitzki]

I saw them about a year ago before they'd really become popular, and even then he was missing out a lot of the clean vocals for the crowd to sing. Luckily it was a really small venue, so you could actually tell that a handful of people knew the words.

[SimonCore]

I saw them about a year ago before they'd really become popular, and even then he was missing out a lot of the clean vocals for the crowd to sing. Luckily it was a really small venue, so you could actually tell that a handful of people knew the words.

LOL. It's not the clean bits he doesn't sing. It's the first part of the pre-chorus on 'Pull harder'. Incidently it's the "....PULL........HARDER......STRINGS.......MARTYR" but.

[nowitzki]

He usually misses the clean chorus as well, like this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3118445282166990915&q=trivium
He attempts the last one, but doesn't sing it like on the album.

[Huber]

How long ago was it?

It was on January 28th

[2muchket!]

I hope heafy rests his voice when they support Iron Maiden. I've heard him live and although he wasn't on top form I've heard worse vocalists live (chris cornell anyone) but it wasn't that horrifiic.

[Josh]

I hope heafy rests his voice when they support Iron Maiden. I've heard him live and although he wasn't on top form I've heard worse vocalists live (chris cornell anyone) but it wasn't that horrifiic.
i'm going for maiden more than Trivium (obviously). looking at that video from the metal hammer awards, i'm thinking the crowd at maiden will be nothing like that (:)) as last time most of the maiden fans were fat bikers.
EDIT: he really can't do the clean-ish vocals in Pull Harder live.

[i am the robots]

He usually misses the clean chorus as well, like this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3118445282166990915&q=trivium
He attempts the last one, but doesn't sing it like on the album.

He doesn't sing it, he grunts it horribly.

[2muchket!]

i'm going for maiden more than Trivium (obviously). looking at that video from the metal hammer awards, i'm thinking the crowd at maiden will be nothing like that (:)) as last time most of the maiden fans were fat bikers.
EDIT: he really can't do the clean-ish vocals in Pull Harder live.

Oh well, I was more looking forward to Maiden (who the hell goes to a gig to see a support band primarily anyway) but at least triviums music is good :)

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

the only two songs i like from trivium are "gunshot to the head" and "pull harder on the strings". worst song from them is definately dying in your arms. it seems somewhat emo, i duno something similar to that. overall though i guess trivium is okay

[I'm Charming]

the only two songs i like from trivium are "gunshot to the head" and "pull harder on the strings". worst song from them is definately dying in your arms. it seems somewhat emo, i duno something similar to that. overall though i guess trivium is okay



I actually think Dying In Your Arms is one of their best.

[SimonCore]

I actually think Dying In Your Arms is one of their best.

Nah it's probaly my least favourite Trivium song but it's still good, just got abit old too quickly. As for the guy who started this, he sounds annoying and stupid. As obviously from the songs he stated he's only heard them on TV and hasn't heard any of their two albums. And Dying in my arms ins't nearly emo.

[toolfreak]

Nah it's probaly my least favourite Trivium song but it's still good, just got abit old too quickly. As for the guy who started this, he sounds annoying and stupid. As obviously from the songs he stated he's only heard them on TV and hasn't heard any of their two albums. And Dying in my arms ins't nearly emo.


its not emo to whoever said that lol.....dying in your arms you do get sick of a bit quickly though hey..

[The Cynic]

Nah it's probaly my least favourite Trivium song but it's still good, just got abit old too quickly. As for the guy who started this, he sounds annoying and stupid. As obviously from the songs he stated he's only heard them on TV and hasn't heard any of their two albums. And Dying in my arms ins't nearly emo.


Not emo. but whiney.Thats what it seems like to me. Good song none the less.

[Forlorn Hope]

Our band is going to play it eventually. As soon as we finish up our half-done originals.

[SimonCore]

My band band does Gunshot to the head of trepidation.:)

[Amazing Duck]

http://www.videocodezone.com/videos/t/trivium/pull_harder_on_the_strings_of_your_martyr_live.htm l

this song just rocks. its live and the mosh pits look fanstastically violent. im goin to c them on tuesday wooooooo

[SimonCore]

Apparently the pits have been ferocious at every show this tour...can't wait until friday!

[nowitzki]

I can't stand Dying in Your Arms, its by far the worst Trivium song, I can't believe they made a video for it.

[SimonCore]

I can't stand Dying in Your Arms, its by far the worst Trivium song, I can't believe they made a video for it.

I;m glad it's not a popular video. It seems it's being ignored somewhat.

[Shred Danson]

That's good. They could have picked a better song for a video. :p

[mr black]

Like Rain :chug:

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

Not emo. but whiney.Thats what it seems like to me. Good song none the less.
yeah that's thats the word i was lookn for, whiney, not emo. my appologies people

[SimonCore]

Like Rain :chug:

Or departure!

[Trivium]

Like Rain :chug:

there is a video for rain

[i am the robots]

Have you heard the end of the roadrunner united cd you reckon they like fully changed his voice seen as he like cant sing?

Oh, no, his voice used to sound somewhat like that, but it was definately touched up, he normally sings in a much flatter tone.

[mr black]

there is a video for rain

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i must see !

[SimonCore]

there is a video for rain

Link please!

[Invicta_Veritas]

Decent band-----I would just rather pay to go see a better one.

[SimonCore]

Decent band-----I would just rather pay to go see a better one.

See them at download maybe?

[Forlorn Hope]

Or departure!
I've been listening to Departure a lot lately. I like that one a lot. It's funny, when I first got Ascendency, I only liked a couple of songs on it. Now I love the whole CD and the only one I don't care for much is Declaration.

[SimonCore]

I've been listening to Departure a lot lately. I like that one a lot. It's funny, when I first got Ascendency, I only liked a couple of songs on it. Now I love the whole CD and the only one I don't care for much is Declaration.

Lol i didn't like Declaration at first but now it's grown on me:O It's a good one! Infact that album owns.

[Trivium]

http://www.trivium-u.com/rain.wmv

the rain video you've all been looking for

[i am the robots]

I've been listening to Departure a lot lately. I like that one a lot. It's funny, when I first got Ascendency, I only liked a couple of songs on it. Now I love the whole CD and the only one I don't care for much is Declaration.

Declaration is my favorite one on the album... that and Departure, those two kinda make the CD....

EDIT: that Rain video is cool for what it is, but I hate the live footage videos.

[Trivium]

yeah the rain video was just put together and added as a bonus on their re-release of ascendancy

[SimonCore]

that wasn't really an official video. It sucked pretty much.

[i am the robots]

yeah the rain video was just put together and added as a bonus on their re-release of ascendancy

Your avatar glows.

[SimonCore]

^Yes it does. And 'Trivium', are you like an official representitive for the band?

[Britton]

that wasn't really an official video. It sucked pretty much.

Yea it kinda sucked...but oh well.


I'm trying to think of what Trivium song I should learn next. Maybe something off of Ember

[SimonCore]

Yea it kinda sucked...but oh well.


I'm trying to think of what Trivium song I should learn next. Maybe something off of Ember

My favourite song off 'Ember to inferno' is 'Ember to inferno' :O I'd probably choose that one if i could be arsed to learn another Trivium song.

[SimonCore]

Just got back form Trivium gig Cardiff uni! Was 'ckin AMAZING!:chug: Set list:
1.Like light to flies
2.Rain
3.Suffocating sight
4.Washing me away in the tides.
5.Ember to inferno
6.Gunshot to the head of trepidation
7.The Decieved
8.Drowned and torn asunder
9.Requiem
10.Declaration
11.Domination-Walk
Solo battle
12.Dying in your arms
ENCORE
13.Covers-Master of puppets-the trooper green day piss takes 'n' other stuff
14.Pull harder on the strings of your martyr

One of the best gigs i've been too and matt's clean vocals were much better than i expected. Got my pic taken with God forbid. Anyone else go?

[Trivium]

^Yes it does. And 'Trivium', are you like an official representitive for the band?

addicted fan, I basically know everything about them and have access to all their media and such. me and a friend of mine have our own fan site

www.trivium-u.com

im not trying to spam or anything

[Britton]

Just got back form Trivium gig Cardiff uni! Was 'ckin AMAZING!:chug: Set list:
1.Like light to flies
2.Rain
3.Suffocating sight
4.Washing me away in the tides.
5.Ember to inferno
6.Gunshot to the head of trepidation
7.The Decieved
8.Drowned and torn asunder
9.Requiem
10.Declaration
11.Domination-Walk
Solo battle
12.Dying in your arms
ENCORE
13.Covers-Master of puppets-the trooper green day piss takes 'n' other stuff
14.Pull harder on the strings of your martyr

One of the best gigs i've been too and matt's clean vocals were much better than i expected. Got my pic taken with God forbid. Anyone else go?


Sounds awesome man.

I need to find this greenday thing. I've kinda been outta the metal scence for the last couple weeks so I haven't been paying attention to everything that's going on.

[nowitzki]

addicted fan, I basically know everything about them and have access to all their media and such. me and a friend of mine have our own fan site

www.trivium-u.com

im not trying to spam or anything
Your site is really good, some great videos on there.

[SimonCore]

Oh yeah Travis had a lengthy drum solo aswell which was cool.

[Trivium]

Your site is really good, some great videos on there.

thanks man, we jsut put a full concert up from the second night they played at astoria

has a bunch of the covers they did, and a lot of other cool ****

[Rattlehead]

just like to say i saw trivium on saturday. they levelled the place. *neckache!!* -lol. but yea they did the usual gr8 ascendancy songs and...... seek and destroy baby!!! hell yes... they got a singer up on the stage to do master of puppets, and some a**hole emo got up there and told matt that he didnt know the words after all. but yea they did their tribute to dimebag etc, did walk, domination. drum solo ruled, as did the combo guitar solos... as i say they levelled the place, a definate highlight of my life.:thumb:

[Dreaming Neon Black]

Ah, whats up Trivium thread?

First time here, just got into Trivium last night. :)

Is it just me, or does Matt Heafy do a really good job on the vocals of Master of Puppets? The whole band does really well. The sound better doing MoP live than Metallica themselves.

/hopes to post more here

[Rattlehead]

i dont think they do better at MOP than their own songs, but ur definately right, they sure do make 'Tallica proud when they play it. as i said, they played it on saturday...:thumb:

[Ibanex0110]

i'm sure this has been brought up, but i downloaded some songs from the show in astoria from the 16th, and it seems matt sings nearly everything. and when screaming is required, corey does it. is it because matt threw his voice out, or are they just trying to not scream as much?

[SimonCore]

thanks man, we jsut put a full concert up from the second night they played at astoria

has a bunch of the covers they did, and a lot of other cool ****

Can you post the link again because when i click it it come up as "Page not found".

[Rattlehead]

i'm sure this has been brought up, but i downloaded some songs from the show in astoria from the 16th, and it seems matt sings nearly everything. and when screaming is required, corey does it. is it because matt threw his voice out, or are they just trying to not scream as much?


i can agree with that but ive only seen them once, on saturday. i noticed that corey did the majority of the singin, yeah. but i dunno if he usually does that.

[SimonCore]

Matt screamed for the first few songs. but the rest he sorta gritty shouted them. All good though. the only one Corey sung was Ember to inferno.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I find it funny that all these singers continue to throw thier voices out (Matt Heafy, Corey taylor, dude from A7x). You would think at some point that guys would start to get a clue of how to take care of thier voices and how to sing properly........in 10 years, there won't be any singers left..........

[alexmonty12]

Trivium are meant to be supporting Maiden this December, and i'm going, should be awesome stuff :D

[i am the robots]

Matt Sanders (A7X) didn't blow his voice out for the same reason, he was having breathing difficulties and it wasn't really possible for him to scream correctly with the condition.

There are plenty of singers who scream well and won't blow their voices out:
Peter Tagtgren (Hypocrisy, ex-Bloodbath)
Mikael Stanne (Dark Tranquillity, ex-In Flames, ex-Hammerfall)
Anders Friden (In Flames, ex-Dark Tranquillity, ex-Ceremonial Oath)
Bjorn Strid (Soilwork, ex-Darkane)
Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth, Steel, ex-Bloodbath, ex-Katatonia)

all three have been doing it for over 10 years anyhow.

Other examples:
Howard Jones (Killswitch Engage, ex-Blood Has Been Shed)
Jesse Leach (Seemless, ex-Killswitch Engage, ex-Nothing Stays Gold)
Phil Lebonte (All That Remains, ex-Shadows Fall)
Brian Fair (Shadows Fall, Overcast)
Dallas Taylor (Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster, ex-Underoath)
Derek Bonner (Lilitu)
Jon Martinek (Bereavement)

[Rattlehead]

I find it funny that all these singers continue to throw thier voices out (Matt Heafy, Corey taylor, dude from A7x). You would think at some point that guys would start to get a clue of how to take care of thier voices and how to sing properly........in 10 years, there won't be any singers left..........
your right, Matt doesn't scream properly, but i like the sound all the same. which, i suppose, makes it all the more tragic.

[mr black]

Matt Sanders (A7X) didn't blow his voice out for the same reason, he was having breathing difficulties and it wasn't really possible for him to scream correctly with the condition.

There are plenty of singers who scream well and won't blow their voices out:
Peter Tagtgren (Hypocrisy, ex-Bloodbath)
Mikael Stanne (Dark Tranquillity, ex-In Flames, ex-Hammerfall)
Anders Friden (In Flames, ex-Dark Tranquillity, ex-Ceremonial Oath)
Bjorn Strid (Soilwork, ex-Darkane)
Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth, Steel, ex-Bloodbath, ex-Katatonia)

all three have been doing it for over 10 years anyhow.

Other examples:
Howard Jones (Killswitch Engage, ex-Blood Has Been Shed)
Jesse Leach (Seemless, ex-Killswitch Engage, ex-Nothing Stays Gold)
Phil Lebonte (All That Remains, ex-Shadows Fall)
Brian Fair (Shadows Fall, Overcast)
Dallas Taylor (Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster, ex-Underoath)
Derek Bonner (Lilitu)
Jon Martinek (Bereavement)


You won't blow your voice if you scream properly, i learnt the hard way. I like all of that quote^ except, Jesse Leach isn't a good example, as part of his reason for leaving Killswitch was his continuously being blown out. :thumb:

[Invicta_Veritas]

Matt Sanders (A7X) didn't blow his voice out for the same reason, he was having breathing difficulties and it wasn't really possible for him to scream correctly with the condition.

There are plenty of singers who scream well and won't blow their voices out:
Peter Tagtgren (Hypocrisy, ex-Bloodbath)
Mikael Stanne (Dark Tranquillity, ex-In Flames, ex-Hammerfall)
Anders Friden (In Flames, ex-Dark Tranquillity, ex-Ceremonial Oath)
Bjorn Strid (Soilwork, ex-Darkane)
Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth, Steel, ex-Bloodbath, ex-Katatonia)

all three have been doing it for over 10 years anyhow.

Other examples:
Howard Jones (Killswitch Engage, ex-Blood Has Been Shed)
Jesse Leach (Seemless, ex-Killswitch Engage, ex-Nothing Stays Gold)
Phil Lebonte (All That Remains, ex-Shadows Fall)
Brian Fair (Shadows Fall, Overcast)
Dallas Taylor (Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster, ex-Underoath)
Derek Bonner (Lilitu)
Jon Martinek (Bereavement)


Part of the reason Jesse left KsE is because he couldn't stop blowing his voice out, and it contributed further to his depression. KsE were debating parting ways with him because of his vocal issues.

[SimonCore]

I think Matt heafy didn't even try to have any proper training, or technique. He just screams until his voice goes.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I warm up sometimes for hours before practice to ensure I'm comfortable, so i don't blow my voice out. I think Heafy just goes straight into it......

[SimonCore]

I can do it without hurting my voice. i used to go hoarse after every practise but know i can do it without putting effort into it. safe as.

[i am the robots]

Part of the reason Jesse left KsE is because he couldn't stop blowing his voice out, and it contributed further to his depression. KsE were debating parting ways with him because of his vocal issues.

Did you read the interview in the booklet for the re-release of Alive or Just Breathing? Those were all rumors, his voice blew out a few times because he drank too much, then he quit drinking and went vegan and his voice was fine.

For me with vocals, as long as my throat's in good shape I can scream and growl all I want, however if I'm sick (as I am now) my throat closes up and it's not a good plan, unfortunately my group's German video is due soon, and I play a giant and have to growl for it, so I ended up hurting my voice pretty bad last night because my throat is almost completely closed... I can barely breathe.

Also, I'm whoring them everywhere, and it's relevant cause Heafy does vocals:
http://www.capharnaum.org/dloads/fractured%20mastered.mp3

[SimonCore]

Did you read the interview in the booklet for the re-release of Alive or Just Breathing? Those were all rumors, his voice blew out a few times because he drank too much, then he quit drinking and went vegan and his voice was fine.

For me with vocals, as long as my throat's in good shape I can scream and growl all I want, however if I'm sick (as I am now) my throat closes up and it's not a good plan, unfortunately my group's German video is due soon, and I play a giant and have to growl for it, so I ended up hurting my voice pretty bad last night because my throat is almost completely closed... I can barely breathe.

Also, I'm whoring them everywhere, and it's relevant cause Heafy does vocals:
http://www.capharnaum.org/dloads/fractured%20mastered.mp3

Do you (your band) have a purevolume or myspace?

[Shred Danson]

they have a myspace I think, but I don't know if they have any music up.

[SimonCore]

My band's recording in the Easter holidays. Then we'll have Myspace:amaze:

[Shred Danson]

My band just wrapped up recording :D and we're probably goin' back in the studio in the next few months...

[SimonCore]

We're doing it for free! I know someone who has a home recording studio and the quality is much better than recording studios which you have to pay for!

[Shred Danson]

we did the EP for free as well.

[SimonCore]

Seriously my mates stuff is extremly good quality.

[i am the robots]

Do you (your band) have a purevolume or myspace?

As Trevor said, we have a myspace, however we've got no recordings yet or anything really because in order to record we need to get into my one friend's basement, but his parents are really gay about just about everything.

It's not so much a band anymore as it is just us fooling around playing grind/hardcore/death metal/black metal/industrial and not being serious. It's mostly just jamming.

[SimonCore]

^ So you do covers mainly then? Do you play guitar aswell?

[Joe]

So have you guys heard about the Master of Puppets tribute? Trivium is doing the song Master of Puppets. Apparently they play it really well.

/am too late again.

[i am the robots]

^ So you do covers mainly then? Do you play guitar aswell?

No, we've done like 2 covers, Numbered Days by KSE and Hourglass by Lamb of God.

We mostly just write ridiculously unstructured songs and I come up with lyrics on the spot, lol.

I mostly just write the black metal guitar parts.

[nowitzki]

So have you guys heard about the Master of Puppets tribute? Trivium is doing the song Master of Puppets. Apparently they play it really well.

/am too late again.
I have heard, I think Trivium should do a great job of MoP. However I am dreading hearing the Funeral For A Friend and Fightstar covers.

[Britton]

I have heard, I think Trivium should do a great job of MoP. However I am dreading hearing the Funeral For A Friend and Fightstar covers.



OMG! who got them in there? seriously...

[SimonCore]

I saw Trivium cover MOP on friday. Some dude from the crowd sang it though...fairplay he was good. I've seen them do it on online vids and they do it really well.

[i am the robots]

I saw Trivium cover MOP on friday. Some dude from the crowd sang it though...fairplay he was good. I've seen them do it on online vids and they do it really well.

I'm gonna have to look for this.

[SimonCore]

http://www.fabchannel.com/ just search for trivium.

[i am the robots]

http://www.fabchannel.com/ just search for trivium.

That site is pretty freaking good.

I've noticed they have Rain titled as Drowned And Torn Asunder though...

[nowitzki]

http://www.fabchannel.com/ just search for trivium.
Yeah, that is a cool site.

[SimonCore]

^^Yeah but it only seems to have Trivium the only metal band on there!

[toolfreak]

Hey havnt been in here for awhile i just wanted to know is anyone else sorta nervous about the new album like the direction there going in?

[SimonCore]

^ No as because apprently it's more old school metal, so it'll still be metal so that;s fine with me:D As long as it doesn't suck.............

[Rattlehead]

with the new album, i really hope Trivium dont take the unfortunate success of "Dying In Your Arms" too seriously, as that sucked. i hope they continue and develope their thrashy metal sounds and continue to make bands like 'tallica, deth, sabbath and maiden proud.

i also hope that Matt manages to start screaming more efficiently, so as not to blow himself out every gig. but while doing this it would be good if he maintains his great sounding voice.

[SimonCore]

i also hope that Matt manages to start screaming more efficiently, so as not to blow himself out every gig. but while doing this it would be good if he maintains his great sounding voice.

There's going to be less screaming like it is now. it's going to be more gritty vocals methinks.

[Rattlehead]

thats allright. matt does some decent grittyness on Declaration. but then again i dont like the harcore "bear witness to me" part.

[SimonCore]

I'm pretty excited about the knew CD actually.

[Rattlehead]

yea, who isn't. The Crusade, isn't it? as i said earlier that i hope that they eradicate their hardcore element.

[SimonCore]

yea, who isn't. The Crusade, isn't it? as i said earlier that i hope that they eradicate their hardcore element.

Hmmm. Give an example? Which songs in particular?

[Rattlehead]

Dying In Your Arms. and other vocal bits like when he sings "bear witness to me" on Declaration. although there are some really good vocals on that track besides.

[SimonCore]

^I forgot to say except dying in your arms! But nah, i'd definetly class them as a metal band.

[Rattlehead]

they're officially metalcore, but they're at the far-metal end of the, shall we say, metalcore spectrum. what i'm saying is that they should convert wholly to metal and lose the hardcore hintage. i said before that i hope that they dont take the unfortunate success of DIYA too seriously.

[SimonCore]

DIYA is a hundred times better live! But i don't think anyone has really noticed the DIYA video. It's seems to be fading out.

[Rattlehead]

ive seen it, and ive seen them do it live. its a good song, just not for me. i really dont like hardcore. it's for the ladies. indeed, when Trivium played in Exeter, England when i watched them, Matt actually said "and this one is for the ladies." before playing it. ilmao.

[SimonCore]

^lol. i saw them in Cardiff last friday it was amazing IMO. Did they say "this is our last song" when they played it? And then they did an encore.

[Rattlehead]

same here. i saw them last saturday lol. i was so pissed off when they said DIYA was the last but i forgot about encores. our encore was pull harder... yours??

they also did seek and destroy, MOP, Walk, Domination, etc. truly brilliant.

what does IMO mean?

[SimonCore]

Yeah they did piss take green day covers and all them you listed. IMO means 'in my opinion'.

[Rattlehead]

yea lol same in exeter. they started playing punk and everyone gave the middle finger, and Matt was like "what, you didn't like that??"

[SimonCore]

yea lol same in exeter. they started playing punk and everyone gave the middle finger, and Matt was like "what, you didn't like that??"

I wouldn't call Green Day punk.

[Rattlehead]

i wasn't referring to Green Day.

[SimonCore]

^ they didn't play any punk.

[Rattlehead]

not in cardiff, no, but i didn't go to cardiff did i?:rolleyes: i'm talking about in exeter, where they played some definate punk.

[SimonCore]

not in cardiff, no, but i didn't go to cardiff did i?:rolleyes: i'm talking about in exeter, where they played some definate punk.

A specific example?

[Rattlehead]

no idea what it was as i don't listen to punk, but it was obviously punk.

[SimonCore]

no idea what it was as i don't listen to punk, but it was obviously punk.

Ok i can't really argue seen as i wasn't at that show, but at every other date on that tour they didn't play any punk.

[Rattlehead]

how would you know that? and those parts are just "crowdplay", and aren't necessarily listed.

[SimonCore]

Ffs i'm not arguing about something pointless anymore.

[Rattlehead]

you questioned it.

[SimonCore]

^Whatever

[Huber]

The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.

[Rattlehead]

have you heard the japan CD of ascendancy? with the Storm and Sworn?

[Rattlehead]

The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.
except for DIYA, which is iconic Metalcore. and i thought it was the singing that was metalcore, not the screams. only in certain parts, though.

[Huber]

Clean singing like Heafy's isn't unique to only metalcore. What the clean contributes to the metalcore category is the mixture of Jamey Jasta-esque scream with clean singing.

That's besides the point anyways. I'm trying to say that the vocals really shouldn't dictate what kind of music they play. The songs they composed are metal songs.

-----

Whoa whoa, DIYA metalcore? That song is more of a pop-punk with the Trivium sound mixed in. There isn't much metalcore about it.

I think you're definition of metalcore is kind of blurred. Listen to Avenged Sevenfold's Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. I personally think that album did a great job of mixing Hardcore Punk with metal style very well.

[i am the robots]

Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.

[Huber]

Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.

Yep, skip my post and read this one.

[SimonCore]

Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.

[i am the robots]

Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.

Or Pull Harder, When All Light Dies, and Pillars of Serpents.

The melodic death metal influence is really prominent on Requiem, Like Light To Flies, When All Light Dies, and Suffocating Sight.

[SimonCore]

^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".

[i am the robots]

^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".

Yeah, Departure has some pretty strong melodeath influence, mostly all of it's the Gothenburg style though, so it's not full-fledged melodeath, it's kind of power metal and goth metal influenced too. I've never heard that other song, so I can't be sure, I only have Ember To Inferno and Ascendancy.

[SimonCore]

It is an amazing song. Seriously download it.

[i am the robots]

I will right now.

[SimonCore]

I'm really into Ember and Inferno now it's grown on me alot. The self title track is possibly the best. And Requiem and Burn the eye follow.

[i am the robots]

Off of Ember To Inferno, I'm gonna go with When All Light Dies and Ember To Inferno.

[toolfreak]

I really want trivium to reinvent them selves but more along the lines of ETI than ascendancy

[SimonCore]

^ the albums aren't really that different. The only difference is that the choruses in some songs are more tuneful.

[Rattlehead]

when all light dies kicks a*s, and personally EtE and Asc. may as well be one big album. i like the songs from either album equally and used to get mixed up as to which are on which, except, of course, Rain, PHOTSOYM and GTTHOT, which everyone knows are on Asc.

I have no preferences with Trivium. any song, any day. except....(you all know what) -DIYA. that is a dip in their godliness; otherwise i'm happy with any song any time.

[SimonCore]

Tbh there's no band really that i can listen to all the time. Sometimes i just can't be arsed at all for heavy music.

[mr black]

they're officially metalcore, but they're at the far-metal end of the, shall we say, metalcore spectrum. what i'm saying is that they should convert wholly to metal and lose the hardcore hintage. i said before that i hope that they dont take the unfortunate success of DIYA too seriously.


Where is it stated that they're officially metalcore ?

I'd say they're more melodic thrash, far to fast with not enough groove riffs to be metalcore...

[Crysiss]

Oficially huh. Wheres the certificate of authentication? hmm?

But they are metal core to me.

[Huber]

Where is it stated that they're officially metalcore ?

I'd say they're more melodic thrash, far to fast with not enough groove riffs to be metalcore...

That's a much more accurate than metalcore, I think.

[Rattlehead]

Tbh there's no band really that i can listen to all the time. Sometimes i just can't be arsed at all for heavy music.
i didnt mean i listen to them all the time, i meant that when i want to listen to trivium, i don't care what song it is, as IMO they are all equally great. so long as it isn't DIYA.

[SimonCore]

i didnt mean i listen to them all the time, i meant that when i want to listen to trivium, i don't care what song it is, as IMO they are all equally great. so long as it isn't DIYA.

Oh alright. DIYA is a good song it just got boring really quickly.

[Rattlehead]

-and its emo.

is it washing away me in the tides or washing me away in the tides? i got it off limewire because its only on the expensive japan CD, i think someone named it wrong, because "washing away me" sounds wrong.

[Huber]

-and its emo.

is it washing away me in the tides or washing me away in the tides? i got it off limewire because its only on the expensive japan CD, i think someone named it wrong, because "washing away me" sounds wrong.

You should read up on that before you go throwin' that word around.

[SimonCore]

-and its emo.

is it washing away me in the tides or washing me away in the tides? i got it off limewire because its only on the expensive japan CD, i think someone named it wrong, because "washing away me" sounds wrong.

It's not emo at all.

And yeah it is washing away me in the tides. Only because of the how chorus goes though, washing me away wouldn;t fit in.

[Rattlehead]

- agree to disagree -

cool

[Rattlehead]

You should read up on that before you go throwin' that word around.
if you don't like that, check SimonCore's avatar.

[SimonCore]

Suzz are showing some of the AStroia show on saturday at 8 i think. Should be cool.

[i am the robots]

-and its emo.

Dying In Your Arms is not an emo song, try comparing it to any of the following:

The Number Twelve Looks Like You - If These Bullets Could Talk
Underoath - Never Meant To Break Your Heart
Circle Takes The Square - Same Shade As Concrete

[Cartman]

I prefered the last 2 albums that Trivium released, Ember To Inferno and the self titled one, and about their style, I just don't understand why people just give so much importance for the style, its not gonna change anything, you guys can keep on arguing all day and never get to a result since every song is influenced from a different style.

[Rattlehead]

Dying In Your Arms is not an emo song, try comparing it to any of the following:

The Number Twelve Looks Like You - If These Bullets Could Talk
Underoath - Never Meant To Break Your Heart
Circle Takes The Square - Same Shade As Concrete
its emo for trivium. and i dont care about the precise catagorising accuracy, i dont like the song.

[i am the robots]

its emo for trivium. and i dont care about the precise catagorising accuracy, i dont like the song.

You seem like an idiot when you call something emo when it has nothing to do with what the actual term means.

[SimonCore]

I prefered the last 2 albums that Trivium released, Ember To Inferno and the self titled one, and about their style, I just don't understand why people just give so much importance for the style, its not gonna change anything, you guys can keep on arguing all day and never get to a result since every song is influenced from a different style.



Every song is influenced by at least one different band. You can ssooo tell.

[Forlorn Hope]

"I'm so depressed, If only you were still here..." = emo
"You poisoned my life, so I take thie knife and I cut you out, cut you out" does not = emo

Anyway...Has anyone ever paid attention to the band's thanks in the CD booklet for Ascendancy? Matt's last comment in his thanks section was really funny. I would post it but the book is upstairs and i'm lazy...hehe

[Britton]

"I'm so depressed, If only you were still here..." = emo
"You poisoned my life, so I take thie knife and I cut you out, cut you out" does not = emo

Anyway...Has anyone ever paid attention to the band's thanks in the CD booklet for Ascendancy? Matt's last comment in his thanks section was really funny. I would post it but the book is upstairs and i'm lazy...hehe


Please post it.

I really need to buy a hard copy of that CD. it's one of my favorite of all time.

[Rattlehead]

"I'm so depressed, If only you were still here..." = emo
"You poisoned my life, so I take thie knife and I cut you out, cut you out" does not = emo

Anyway...Has anyone ever paid attention to the band's thanks in the CD booklet for Ascendancy? Matt's last comment in his thanks section was really funny. I would post it but the book is upstairs and i'm lazy...hehe
i wasnt referring to the lyrics -

ok, Eleventeen, what about that main riff and the style of singing? does that not hint hardcore?

[SimonCore]

i wasnt referring to the lyrics -

ok, Eleventeen, what about that main riff and the style of singing? does that not hint hardcore?

We're still talking about DIYA right? Well it's not emo influenced at all, it's just catchy and slightly pop-punky. Just because somethings tuneful doens't mean it's emo.

[Huber]

i wasnt referring to the lyrics -

ok, Eleventeen, what about that main riff and the style of singing? does that not hint hardcore?

No, it doesn't man. Take a trip to the hardcore/emo subforum in the punk forum and read some of the sticky threads and learn. Listening to the songs Eleventeen listed will help too.

I know it sounds like were being to picky, but when you listen to a ton of music like we all do on this forum, you probably included, discussing it is much easier if we choose the correct terms to describe our music.

[Rattlehead]

absolutely, fair enough.

[SimonCore]

Sorted.

[semi]

So when trivium were playing the cover of walk and domination they were playing dime guitars. Were these dime's actual guitars that he owned or just his as in his dean signature or the ones he actually designed?

[Lartsa]

So when trivium were playing the cover of walk and domination they were playing dime guitars. Were these dime's actual guitars that he owned or just his as in his dean signature or the ones he actually designed?

Pretty much.
They were replicas if anything.

[Crysiss]

Id be pretty damn surprised if it were Dimes Actualy guitars.

The razorback looks fweet

[Invicta_Veritas]

^^^^^Well, I know there was some band (maybe it was A7x) that got invited to the studio to play Dimebag's stuff after he died because his wife thought they were a hell of a good young band......It's in a recent issue of guitar world......I think they also played a show with the guitars.......

[Huber]

I know there's a bit about Trivium and Dimebag's family in guitar world, but I don't recall that.

I think Matt was using one of those scarce Razorbacks. There was an issue where very few were made.

[Cartman]

^^^^^Well, I know there was some band (maybe it was A7x) that got invited to the studio to play Dimebag's stuff after he died because his wife thought they were a hell of a good young band......It's in a recent issue of guitar world......I think they also played a show with the guitars.......
No that was Trivium

[-The Frank]

Pretty much.
They were replicas if anything.

Nope, in the recent metal hammer matt and corey tell how they got to use Dimes very own guitars. Apparently dimes wife lent it to them.

[x00046455]

So when trivium were playing the cover of walk and domination they were playing dime guitars. Were these dime's actual guitars that he owned or just his as in his dean signature or the ones he actually designed?

yeah they were dimes actual guitars. they're good friends with dime's wife, she comes to their shows and they've been in dimes house and stuff like that. she heard they were doin old pantera songs so she gave them some of dimes guitars.

[metalhead_matt]

i think the only thing that tarnishes the look of trivium is it's emo following. i liked them before all the emo guys at my college knew about them, then they all started goin crazy for them, an their bands started doing trivium covers and they just lost their shine. its one of those bands that you dont love but you dont hate. for me anyway

[SimonCore]

They always use Dime's guitars (or replicas) now. All the way through the show! The sound isn't as good as there Jackson and Les paul.

[Rattlehead]

Just because somethings tuneful doens't mean it's emo.
that's not what i was implying.

i think the only thing that tarnishes the look of trivium is it's emo following. i liked them before all the emo guys at my college knew about them, then they all started goin crazy for them, an their bands started doing trivium covers and they just lost their shine. its one of those bands that you dont love but you dont hate. for me anyway
and why do emo's like Trivium? i dont think it's "when all light dies" or "pull harder" that they like... ahem. never mind.

yeah they were dimes actual guitars. they're good friends with dime's wife, she comes to their shows and they've been in dimes house and stuff like that. she heard they were doin old pantera songs so she gave them some of dimes guitars.
so when they came to exeter[england] a couple of weeks back on the ascendancy tour, they were playing actual dime guitars? bloody hell. makes me feel special having been in the same room as one.

[metalhead_matt]

i just dont like emos (but i aint prejudiced, i mean the ones ive met) they just hijack all the bands metal people like. and ive always worn black and stuff, but i dont want people to think me as an emo. grrr.
anyway, screw emo's.
trivium are cool, ive decided

[Rattlehead]

i was implying that emo's dont really like trivium, they just like DIYA. i dont have a problem with them either, i just dont like their style of music.

and im glad you made that decision. lol.:)

[metalhead_matt]

DIYA? sorry man, dont get it :p
but yeah, there not a bad band, and i think matt heafys got a good voice, especially in pull harder and a gunshot to the head...
i was saying to ya in another thread how much it pisses me off when people start listening to a band and then think they own them...yeah the emos round here are like that
meh, kill em all, metallica style

[Rattlehead]

DIYA? sorry man, dont get it :p
but yeah, there not a bad band, and i think matt heafys got a good voice, especially in pull harder and a gunshot to the head...
i was saying to ya in another thread how much it pisses me off when people start listening to a band and then think they own them...yeah the emos round here are like that
meh, kill em all, metallica style
as trivium would encourage.
and i remember you saying that about noob-fans who adopt a newest album and say how great it is. it was my arch enemy thread, and i posted my agreement on that subject! -:chug:
*DIYA=Dying In Your Arms*
and Matt has a good voice, but he's not going to for long, he blows himself out too much. he doesnt do it properly. if he could do it properly and yet keep his quality sound, that would be great. otherwise, it's quite tragic.

[metalhead_matt]

yeah, but he's probably having vocal lessons or something, bet he knows that hes gonna **** his voice if he keeps goin.
and yeah, i definitely agree with that, emos are all over dying in your arms. ah well, let em have it

[Invicta_Veritas]

While I have major issues with Heafy's vocal technique (or more accurately, lack thereof), I do own From Ember to Inferno and I just ordered Ascendancy. They don't sound too bad.

[Rattlehead]

yeah, but he's probably having vocal lessons or something, bet he knows that hes gonna **** his voice if he keeps goin.
and yeah, i definitely agree with that, emos are all over dying in your arms. ah well, let em have it
yeah its not exactly a masterpiece. lol.

While I have major issues with Heafy's vocal technique (or more accurately, lack thereof), I do own From Ember to Inferno and I just ordered Ascendancy. They don't sound too bad.
not being a vocalist im not too bothered about technique.. its more about sound for me. but i am concerned if his "lack of technique" is going to lead to the loss of his sound, which i like.

[i am the robots]

I'm concerned by his lack of technique because he's not gonna have a voice soon.

[Rattlehead]

same. surely someones warned him by now, hopefully he'll sort it out.

[Shred Danson]

I'm concerned by his lack of technique because he's not gonna have a voice soon.

You know, I would much rather see Trivium with an actual frontman, someone who can pull off the vocals and have Heaffy just play guitar. Him and Cory are great at the twin guitar thing; it's obvious he is a better guitarist than vocalist.

[Rattlehead]

yeah they are an amazing duo. they should keep doing backing though.

[toolfreak]

I read the other day on the trivium official board paolo the bass player had said they had eliminated screaming all together cause they were sick of it. Your thoughts?
:confused:

[metalhead_matt]

there influenced by metallica. they wanna be more like tallica

[Huber]

I read the other day on the trivium official board paolo the bass player had said they had eliminated screaming all together cause they were sick of it. Your thoughts?
:confused:

There's a video on Launch of them playing Pull Harder live. There were no screams, just raspy Hetfield things. I liked it that way. I don't think it will cause any problems, just a lot of disappointed fans that really liked the screams.

[SimonCore]

i was implying that emo's dont really like trivium, they just like DIYA. i dont have a problem with them either, i just dont like their style of music.

and im glad you made that decision. lol.:)

that' not true. Trvium aren't emo at all, but they're just a band that emo's like also.Like, there were emo'#s at Chimaira in Birmingham, doesn't mean Chiamira are emo lol. Most of them liked Trivium before they bought Acendancy. (and before DIYA) was released.

[i am the robots]

You know, I would much rather see Trivium with an actual frontman, someone who can pull off the vocals and have Heaffy just play guitar. Him and Cory are great at the twin guitar thing; it's obvious he is a better guitarist than vocalist.

That's very true. As I told my friend Erik yesterday (his first listen to Trivium):

"I look forward to the day Heafy blows his voice out and realizes he needs to rehibilitate his voice and learn to do vocals correctly, or gets replaced with someone who doesn't suck."

Erik's thoughts:
"I like the music, but holy hell, this guy's worse than Atilla."

[SimonCore]

I think it's safe to say now that Heafy has done an M.Shadows:(

[Huber]

I hope he doesn't get replaced. I hope he gets some vocal help and keeps going.

[SimonCore]

He hasn't properly blown it yet. He needs to rest and learn a technique.

[i am the robots]

He hasn't properly blown it yet. He needs to rest and learn a technique.

He is far too arrogant to do that.

[Shred Danson]

That's pretty true.

i was implying that emo's dont really like trivium, they just like DIYA. i dont have a problem with them either, i just dont like their style of music.

Are "emo's" some new breed of animal or something???

there influenced by metallica. they wanna be more like tallica

You keep thinking that, buddy :)

[Invicta_Veritas]

Are "emo's" some new breed of animal or something???





I believe he was referring to emo kids.

[Rattlehead]

we'll see about how arrogant matt is, depending on the vocal quality when The Crusade comes out. it will be obvious if he's had tuition.

and matt reminds me of hetfield at one point on Declaration.

that' not true. Trvium aren't emo at all, but they're just a band that emo's like also.Like, there were emo'#s at Chimaira in Birmingham, doesn't mean Chiamira are emo lol. Most of them liked Trivium before they bought Acendancy. (and before DIYA) was released.
:rolleyes: . that is not what i was saying, at all. i dont think trivium are emo, as they are blatently not. however, all the emos i know like them for DIYA only, and they give Trivium a bad name. that was my point.

[i am the robots]

What do you mean by we'll see if he's arrogant? His arrogance is reflected in the fact that he won't admit that he's doing anything incorrectly, and the fact he refered to his own band as "Judas Priest on steroids."

[SimonCore]

What do you mean by we'll see if he's arrogant? His arrogance is reflected in the fact that he won't admit that he's doing anything incorrectly, and the fact he refered to his own band as "Judas Priest on steroids."

Lol at the 'Priest comment. But yeah he didn't scream much at all when i saw them a few weeks ago. So it's evident he can barely scream.

[Shred Danson]

I believe he was referring to emo kids.

I believe I was responding in sarcasm.

[toolfreak]

There's a video on Launch of them playing Pull Harder live. There were no screams, just raspy Hetfield things. I liked it that way. I don't think it will cause any problems, just a lot of disappointed fans that really liked the screams.


lol im going to be a dissapointed fan but whos noes maybe they'll take a break from it and slowly incorparate it back in but first i need the new tool album:chug:

[Huber]

lol im going to be a dissapointed fan but whos noes maybe they'll take a break from it and slowly incorparate it back in but first i need the new tool album:chug:

Damn right :thumb:

[SimonCore]

So when exactly is the TRIVIUM new album due?

[i am the robots]

I believe I was responding in sarcasm.

NO WAI D00D, 4 SRS?!

[Rattlehead]

So when exactly is the TRIVIUM new album due?
i heard later this year.

[Lartsa]

In case you haven't heard..


EIGHT OF rock's hottest bands have contributed to a special re-recording of Metallica's Master Of Puppets in celebration of the twentieth anniversary of the classic album's release.

Remastered, which features exclusive recordings by Bullet For My Valentine, Trivium, Fightstar, Machine Head, Funeral For A Friend, Chimaira, Mastodon and Mendeed - will be given away free with Kerrang! issue 1102, which goes on sale April 5!

"Master Of Puppets is a flawless, inspirational and hugely influential album - we're incredibly proud of Re-Mastered, which is the most exciting free CD in the magazine's history. Put simply, EVERY Kerrang! reader needs to hear this album." - Paul Brannigan, Kerrang! Editor

"We're really happy with our version of Welcome Home (Sanitarium) and I'm sure when Lars and the guys hear it they'll think we've done them proud!" - Matt Tuck, Bullet For My Valentine

"It's a real honour to be part of this. James Hetfield is one of the most inspirational players ever. He's the main reason I perform and I play the way I do." - Matt Heafy, Trivium

"We we wanted our track to be as ****ing heavy as possible. I hope hardcore Metallica fans will like what we've done." - Charlie Simpson, Fightstar

"It's awesome to think that some of you guys weren't even born when we recorded Master Of Puppets! We're honoured that it's a record that's perceived as a milestone and a record that's been so inspiring to so many people. We're as excited to hear this as you guys are!" - Lars Ulrich, Metallica, from his exclusive sleeve note

Heafy's hetfield-esque vocals will return on their cover of "Master Of Puppets"

http://www.kerrang.com/nav?page=kerrang.news.detail&fixture_news=4608084&resource=4608084

[Rattlehead]

:wave: welcome. and cool... cant wait.

[Rattlehead]

is paolo at all a good bassist? i mean isn't anything special on the albums....

[SimonCore]

is paolo at all a good bassist? i mean isn't anything special on the albums....

Well he's good enough even if he isn't that good. Which I don't know if he is because he never has any bass leads. He always uses a plectrum aswell.

[Rattlehead]

he good enough, anyone's good enough, he just doesn't seem to be anything special, and next to the other band members, that is quite odd.

[SimonCore]

he good enough, anyone's good enough, he just doesn't seem to be anything special, and next to the other band members, that is quite odd.

He probably is really good. We just don't know.

[i am the robots]

He probably is really good. We just don't know.

Paolo is one of the new age metal bassists, he lets himself be heard and he stands out just enough for you to be like, hey they have a bassist. He reminds me of Darkest Hour's old bassist, Billups.

Avenged Sevenfold's bassist comes to mind with that style of playing too.

[jaymz_is_god]

So when exactly is the TRIVIUM new album due?

I read somewhere that it was due in September.

[Itwasthatwas]

I agree 100%, he only really goes to his true potential in two songs:

Machines and Icon Of Malice by Capharnaum.

I thought Jason Suecof did the vocals on those songs.

[Itwasthatwas]

In case you haven't heard..


EIGHT OF rock's hottest bands have contributed to a special re-recording of Metallica's Master Of Puppets in celebration of the twentieth anniversary of the classic album's release.

Remastered, which features exclusive recordings by Bullet For My Valentine, Trivium, Fightstar, Machine Head, Funeral For A Friend, Chimaira, Mastodon and Mendeed - will be given away free with Kerrang! issue 1102, which goes on sale April 5!

"Master Of Puppets is a flawless, inspirational and hugely influential album - we're incredibly proud of Re-Mastered, which is the most exciting free CD in the magazine's history. Put simply, EVERY Kerrang! reader needs to hear this album." - Paul Brannigan, Kerrang! Editor

"We're really happy with our version of Welcome Home (Sanitarium) and I'm sure when Lars and the guys hear it they'll think we've done them proud!" - Matt Tuck, Bullet For My Valentine

"It's a real honour to be part of this. James Hetfield is one of the most inspirational players ever. He's the main reason I perform and I play the way I do." - Matt Heafy, Trivium

"We we wanted our track to be as ****ing heavy as possible. I hope hardcore Metallica fans will like what we've done." - Charlie Simpson, Fightstar

"It's awesome to think that some of you guys weren't even born when we recorded Master Of Puppets! We're honoured that it's a record that's perceived as a milestone and a record that's been so inspiring to so many people. We're as excited to hear this as you guys are!" - Lars Ulrich, Metallica, from his exclusive sleeve note

Heafy's hetfield-esque vocals will return on their cover of "Master Of Puppets"

http://www.kerrang.com/nav?page=kerrang.news.detail&fixture_news=4608084&resource=4608084

I don't really want to buy a Kerrang magazine. Hopefully this will get leaked. Don't get me wrong I buy CDs but I don't support Kerrang. I'll probably cave and buy it though If I can't find it anywhere.

[SimonCore]

Oh God what't so bad about getting Kerrang!?? IMO it's a good read, and it seems to me, that the only reason people dislike it is because they review commercial music aswell.

[toolfreak]

i dont think we can get kerrang in australia:( correct me if im wrong though

[SimonCore]

What do people think of Trivium's cover of Master of puppets? I think it's the best one one there.

[toolfreak]

What do people think of Trivium's cover of Master of puppets? I think it's the best one one there.


Yeah they did a damn good job on it didnt they i like it aswell

[nowitzki]

Oh God what't so bad about getting Kerrang!?? IMO it's a good read, and it seems to me, that the only reason people dislike it is because they review commercial music aswell.
I used to buy it every week, now I rarely do (I often read a friend's copy though). It seems to have got a lot worse recently, it has a few bands that it constantly wanks over that are always on the cover. And it seems now the bulk of the magazine is just featuring mainstream bands, with hardly anything about less commercial bands.
Oh well, at least its not as bad as the TV channel.

And yeah, Trivium's cover was one of the best, I was quite impressed by the CD overall.