A look back at past NBA draft

[Hababi]

This should put things into perspective as the nba draft approaches:

First, one of the worst drafts in modern history:
http://nbadraft.net/2000draftgrades.htm

Amongst the things to point out:

The Hornets getting a D for passing on DeShawn Stevenson to select Jamaal MaGloire.

B+ for the Celtics selecting Jeremio Moiso. What a great player he turned out to be :lol:

Donnell Harvey-great talent there, same with Courtney Alexander ("will produce right away and could be ROY")

Clippers get an A- for that great selection of Darius "I like shooting...a movie" Miles.

The Magic made a whole bunch of room for Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill, selecting only Mike Miller...problem is, Tim Duncan resigned with the Spurs, Grant Hill got injured for 3 years and right when Hill got healthy again, TMac asked for a trade...by then Miller had already gone Grizzly on them anyway...

Erick Barkley: Steal of the draft...errr...

Great draft for the Jazz with Stevenson and Kaniel Dickinson...yeah :lol:


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Now, on to 2001:
http://nbadraft.net/2001draftgrades.htm

What a terrible pick Kirk Haston was for the Hornets...1.2 PPG career average.

And speaking of busts, Desagna Diop, whose only real point of merit was that he did a good job defending Eddy Curry...in high school....Reminds me of why Greg Ostertag was drafted (he defended Bryant Reeves very well, had to get someone to stop Big Country). 1.6 PPG career average later, Diop is a big bust.

At least it was predicted that the two Mavs choices would be playing somewhere else the next season...they probably weren't thinking NOT IN THE NBA, though...

Omar Cook-best true point guard of his class?????

Okur was a sleeper, as predicted, even if his game puts you to sleep sometimes...

Selecting Arenas over Cook was such a mistake for the Warriors...[/sarcasm]

A- for the TWolves selecting Loren Woods...this was obviously written by a Utah fan...

Kwame Brown: Worthy of a grade A? A grade A disappointment, that is...


Hopefully, people are more adept at analyzing this year...

[Illmatic]

Jerome Moiso was, at the time, the king of workout wonders...he probably wasn't one of the three best players on his own team in college.

And what are the limits for "modern history"? Because the 1991 draft was crappy too.

[Hababi]

The limits of modern history was how far back nbadraft.net went ;)

As for 91, let's see:

1. Larry Johnson-Charlotte---> If he hadn't gotten injured, he would've produced more long term...as it is, 10 years, 5 really productive ones..they could've done worse...
2. Kenny Anderson-New Jersey---> Disappointment, but not a bust.

3. Billy Owens-Sacramento---> Why this guy was taken 3 is quite a mystery

4. Dikembe Mutombo-Denver--->Best player from the draft? Hey, he's one of the best shot blockers of all time.
5. Steve Smith-Miami--->He had some good years
6. Doug Smith-Dallas--->Bust++
7. Luc Longley-Minnesota--->Hey, he got a few rings, right? Mediocre, but he was better than Doug Smith
8. Mark Macon-Denver--->Another bust...
9. Stacey Augmon-Atlanta--->Had a few decent years then a whole bunch as a situational player...hey, better than Mark Macon
10. Brian Williams-Orlando--->If he'd have been sane he'd have been the best of the bunch
11. Terrell Brandon-Cleveland--->Had some good years
12. Greg Anthony-New York--->Respectable career
13. Dale Davis-Indiana---> Good pick
14. Rich King-Seattle--->Bad pick
15. Anthony Avent-Atlanta--->Bad pick
16. Chris Gatling-Golden State--->Good rebounder, got to play on a whole bunch of teams
17. Victor Alexander-Golden State--->Who?
18. Kevin Brooks-Milwaukee--->Who?
19. LaBradford Smith -Washington--->Who?
20. John Turner-Houston--->Who?
21. Eric Murdock-Utah--->Respectable career
22. LeRon Ellis-LA Clippers--->Nothing.
23. Stanley Roberts-Orlando-->Druggie
24. Rick Fox-Boston--->Good late round pick
25. Shaun Vandiver-Golden State--->Bad late round pick
26. Mark Randall-Chicago--->Bad late round pick
27. Pete Chilcutt-Sacramento-->Played for a while...well, didn't do much playing...



31. Randy Brown-Sacramento--->Decent second round pick
34. Myron Brown Slippery Rock Minnesota---> This guy went to a college real close to me, in fact it might be the one I transfer to. That's the only thing worth noting about him.
37. Elliot Perry-LA Clippers--->Respectable pick
40. Doug Overton-Detroit--->Still around
45. Bobby Phills-Milwaukee--->Moderate Steal...shouldn't have drag raced
48. Isaac Austin-Utah--->Minor steal...
51. Zan Tabak-Houston-->Best name ever...


Yeah, not that good of a draft...not as bad as '00, though.

[Illmatic]

Well, maybe in 14 years we'll look back at 2000 and say "Well, it's not THAT bad..."

[Illmatic]

BTW, 1989 was another lousy draft

Ten guys had good careers, but that's it.

Plus, Pervis Ellison and Danny Ferry went 1-2. C'mon.

[Illmatic]

1-2's in recent history:

Dwight Howard and Emeka Okafor
LeBron and Darko
Yao and Jay Williams
Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler
Kenyon Martin and Stromile Swift
Steve Francis and Elton Brand
Michael Olowokandi and Mike Bibby
Tim Duncan and Keith Van Horn
Allen Iverson and Marcus Camby
Joe Smith and Antonio McDyess
Glenn Robinson and Jason Kidd
Chris Webber and Shawn Bradley
Shaq and Zo
Larry Johnson and Kenny
DC and GP
Ellison and Ferry
Danny Manning and Rik Smits
David Robinson and Armon Gilliam
Brad Daugherty and Len Bias (RIP)

Except for Pervis-Ferry and Smith-McDyess, at least one of the 1-2 has gone on to have a productive career.

[Reaganista]

Chris Webber and Shawn Bradley

oh god.

no draft has screwed Philadelphia as badly as this one. :lol:

[MattSharpIsCool]

Shaq and Zo.....thats a pretty good 1-2.

And I think you could make a case for Antonio McDyess having a productive career. He averaged 17.8 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 1.69 BPG, 0.93 SPG, and 33.5 MPG in his first 6 seasons. He played in one all star game, won a gold medal in 2000, and made the all-NBA third team in 1998-1999. He would still be one of the best players in the league if he hadnt gotten hurt.

[Illmatic]

I guess...he got ****ed by injuries, though.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Indeed he did.

I remember the Nuggets were always one of the worst teams, and the Blazers were one of the best....but we'd always lose to Denver just because McDyess scored 40 points every fricking time he played Portland.

[Illmatic]

I also remember him being so stupid...I think he's the only player in NBA history who willingly left Jason Kidd to join a last-place team.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Haha....ya well I cant defend him there.

[Endless Obsession]

Haha imagine how much a joke the rest of the NBA would be if this was a team.

C - Ben Wallace
PF - Rasheed Wallace
SF - Teyshaun Prince
SG - Rip Hamilton
PG - Dwyane Wade

With the same bench + Chauncey - Darko.

[Endless Obsession]

Except for Pervis-Ferry and Smith-McDyess, at least one of the 1-2 has gone on to have a productive career.

Kwame and Tyson

[Illmatic]

Tyson Chandler has turned into a good baller.

[MattSharpIsCool]

That team would be pretty much unstoppable.

I still dont understand why everyone hates on Darko so much. So he's taking a few years to develop, big deal. The NHL and MLB develop their players for a few years before they play in the bigs, why cant they do that in the NBA?

[Illmatic]

Haha....ya well I cant defend him there.

McDyess player bio (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antonio_mcdyess/index.html)

Traded by the Nuggets to the Phoenix Suns in a three-way deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers for a total of three first round picks, two second round picks and an undisclosed amount of cash on 10/1/97...Signed as a free agent by the Nuggets on 1/22/99

Just in case anyone didn't believe me.

[Illmatic]

That team would be pretty much unstoppable.

I still dont understand why everyone hates on Darko so much. So he's taking a few years to develop, big deal. The NHL and MLB develop their players for a few years before they play in the bigs, why cant they do that in the NBA?

Because it's completely different in the NHL/MLB than it is in the NBA.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Why? Player's careers last just as long.

[Reaganista]

Why? Player's careers last just as long.

12 roster spots vs. several minor league teams full of prospects.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya I guess so. But it still seems like there'd be enough room for one or two prospects from each team to develop a few years before joining the big club.

[Reaganista]

You should also consider that they passed up on Carmelo Anthony and Dwanye Wade to get Darko. Even if he manages to reach the maximum of his ability, I'd say it's at best doubtful that he'll ever surpass Wade.

No one would have a problem with Darko if he'd been a second round pick or even late first round.

[MattSharpIsCool]

You should also consider that they passed up on Carmelo Anthony and Dwanye Wade to get Darko. Even if he manages to reach the maximum of his ability, I'd say it's at best doubtful that he'll ever surpass Wade.

No one would have a problem with Darko if he'd been a second round pick or even late first round.

I do agree there. He wont surpass Wade, and probably wont surpass Carmelo. But he was the 2nd pick for a reason, he must have something that Detroit liked. I'd say give him this season, if they used such a high pick on him, they've gotta start giving him his chance sometime. He did score 16 points and 3 blocked shots against Atlanta towards the end of the year.

[Illmatic]

Why? Player's careers last just as long.

There are smaller rosters in the NBA, so players are expected to make some kind of contribution right away.

Therefore, when a team drafts a "project" who will be on the bench for several years, they're basically ripping off their fans, who expect to see improvement on the team.

That the Pistons won the championship is irrelevent.

[Hababi]

I do agree there. He wont surpass Wade, and probably wont surpass Carmelo. But he was the 2nd pick for a reason, he must have something that Detroit liked. I'd say give him this season, if they used such a high pick on him, they've gotta start giving him his chance sometime. He did score 16 points and 3 blocked shots against Atlanta towards the end of the year.

I think he will pass up Carmelo, because Carmelo doesn't have the character to be a long term star. He's the new JR Rider. With Larry Brown out of the picture, Darko will begin to get real playing time and will soon be an all star.

As to players developing, Dirk Nowitzki was a big disappointment his first year. During his second year, he began to show what he could do but really didn't come into his own till his third year...I think there's a similar timeline with Darko.



Except for Pervis-Ferry and Smith-McDyess, at least one of the 1-2 has gone on to have a productive career.


Ellison had a few good seasons till injuries got him, it's not as if he was a bust.

[Illmatic]

Pervis had about one good season.

[Hababi]

Eh, I should've said a pair-he had two good seasons, one alright season and then the rest were injury riddled.

[dancetomdance182]

I don't think Detroit will risk playing Darko instead of Rasheed or Ben. With those 2 big men, I doubt Detroit will ever play Darko. Maybe if he gets traded to a team that needs a big guy, he will have some playing time and will be able to show what he can do.

[Hababi]

I think Dumars would trade Sheed if he could get something decent in return, IE a high draft pick, another young talent.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya...Sheed is a good player, but not the smartest. Also, sometimes he can be a little TOO generous with the ball....I remember in Portland, he was our best scorer, but he'd only take 15 or so shots per game. He could easily average 25 points per game, but instead hes never gotten to 20.

I wouldnt expect Detroit to just up and trade him though. They, just like everyone else, arent totally sure about Darko, and they wouldnt wanna give up an established player like Sheed for a pretty much unknown, like Darko.