The Who

[apple pie]

Who Concert Tonight At 7

[Broken Arrow]

Same for me.

[Relmar]

Who?

lolololol

[JohnXDoe]

nice post, wanderer. glad you enjoyed yourself at both events. i catch the ITA clips on youtube. and thanks for those links. i'll be checking them out.

so far as apple pie and broken arrow are concerned we shall expect full reports on the show tonite.

i also want to remind you both and anyone else going to a gig that you ticket is a membership in The Who's online fan club which includes the "Squeeze Box" media player with a ton of content and more to be added. its free, the only catch being you need a credit or debit card to join because after a year its not free anymore and the card is auto billed unless you cancel in time. so make sure to mark the date and cancel in time!

you need a "promo code" to join. one you were supposed to get with your ticket. if you didn't get one just folllow the steps and they'll send you one, they also have an active message board full of Who fanatics. i have eight posts and the fanboyism is rampant (they even defend Its Hard!) but i'm working my way through it. nice diversion when this thread isn't active and i feel like talkin' some Who :)

http://www.thewhotour.com/

[wanderer]

I wasn't at shows, I just posted peoples reviews here and I would never give give credit card info to 'The Who's online fan club' considering what they do with it... that whole "fan club, we need credit card even if you have the promo code in order to join the site' is ****ed up system in order collcet credit card information and pass it around...

and there's already very good (best) messageboard for The Who.
Organized and moderated well.
www.thewhoforum.co.uk


Why wouldn't one defend It's Hard. Has few great classic songs that are way better than anything on upcoming record, minus perhaps God speaks of Marty Robbins and 2000 Years.

[JohnXDoe]

your link doesn't work, wanderer. and i don't care about giving my CC info. i do it all the time. i don't think anything sinister is going on at The Who's official website. i like the video (especially the live footage and tour stuff) and the most up to date news and reviews and setlists and stuff.

Its Hard is obviously mostly shi.t. sorry, but true. and you know that pete's solo work at that time was far superior. And I wish you would name me some songs off Its Hard that are "way better" then Endless Wire, Man In A Purple Dress, We've Got A Hit, Tea & Theatre, Mirror Door, Mike Post Theme, etc....i can go on and on. Cry If You Want and Eminence Front are just as good. But no more. And while their are maybe 3 more halfway decent recordings on the album, the rest is mostly crap.

[wanderer]

sorry but true, your mentioned EF, CIYW are already better than all the new stuff combined minus Marty Robbins/2000 Years unless of course they are ruined by Roger doing the "singing" (mostly pretty flat barking these days. shame that Townshend waited too long)...
besides comparing to It's Hard is ridiculous, if one wants to do comparisons then it should really be done to previous Townshend record and truth is except couple songs new stuff doesn't come even close to that either, mainly because Pete has to try accomodite Roger hence songs like Uncerain Girl aren't on the record evetough it is clearly superior song that most tracks on the new record.


"www.thewhoforum.co.uk" (seems that sputnik messes the link, just copy/paste adress if this link doesn't work either...)

[apple pie]

I am sitting


Section 104
Row F
Seat 9



TONIGHT

[Ephemeral]

In 2003 Townshend received a police caution after acknowledging a solitary paid access of what was reported to be a child pornography website in 1999. He claimed in the press and on his website to have been engaged in research for "A Different Bomb" (a now abandoned book based on an anti-child pornography essay published on his website) and his autobiography. He was added to the British list of registered sex offenders for five years after police confiscated 14 of his computers and found no child pornography.

: (

[Ephemeral]

005 Days, 02 Hours, 53 Min, 30 Sec

[robo2448]

The countdown begins.

I'm really jealous of all you guys.

[JohnXDoe]

sorry but true, your mentioned EF, CIYW are already better than all the new stuff combined minus Marty Robbins/2000 Years....
nope, sorry dude. not true at all. I have ears, i know enough about music and songwriting to know those two songs are not better then the entire new album "combined". thats silly. the new album is good, it is The Who, and everyone should just get used to it. :smash:


thanks for fixing that link info....
: (
yeah. i tried to bring that up as a topic of conversation here a long time ago when someone on the board used it against pete. he was vindicated, and as you can see no CP was found in his possesion or on any of his 14 computers at home, in studio, or his offices. these were computers that were offically his and he had plenty of time after his initial access to download, etc...before the cops busted him some time later. so he is in the clear. completely. still very unfortunate. and really stupid to make him a "registered sex offender" after one brief visit to a website. using his CC for furthur access is what really did him in. perhaps a mistake, but hardly a serious crime, IMO.

[Ephemeral]

Yeah, I just thought it was kind of gay that he's now a registered sex offender. That position belongs to Uncle Ernie and Ivor the Engine Driver. >: (

[Seafroggys]

i didn't think Ivor was a 'sex offender.' He was just someone that kept the missus company, before she was forgiven (god I love that part)

[Ephemeral]

meh

I always thought that the girl was a younger girl, and imagined Ivor as some sick old pervert.

"YOU ARE FORGGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEN"

[apple pie]

wow best show ive seen, the tribute song to elvis was ace.

[JohnXDoe]

wow best show ive seen, the tribute song to elvis was ace.
so do you have any details for us?

[robo2448]

I've started to listen to The Who a lot after a pretty lengthy hiatus. Listened to Q the other day and now it's Tommy's turn. Last Thursday, I saw Almost Famous, and when they played Sparks I realized that I haven't listened to Tommy in forever. So I need to fix that now. And it's amazing.

np- Acid Queen

[JohnXDoe]

a hiatus from The Who? :confused:

makes no sense :(



/shakes head in bewilderment

[Ephemeral]

how could this happen

[JohnXDoe]

its a stciky situation. we may have to revoke robo's membership. if we had memberships.

:smash:

[Lunch]

I forced myself to take a break from them just so I could keep their albums fresh sounding, in my mind. I was listening to them too much so I had to switch things up a bit. But then last week they regained control of my top weekly artists on last.fm. Now all is well again.

[JohnXDoe]

this is worse then i could of imagined. the blasphamy of it all :eek:

[Lunch]

I have veto power over you though.

[robo2448]

It wasn't hiatus. I just went a while without listening to them much. It wasn't a concious thing.

/disgraced:(

[Lunch]

You just said it was a hiatus. Make up your mind damnit!

[robo2448]

You just said it was a hiatus. Make up your mind damnit!

It wasn't! I just haven't listened to them very much since June. But it wasn't a hiatus. I went awhile without listening to much of The Beatles either. Kind of weird.

[Lunch]

Erroneous! Erroneous on both accounts!

[Broken Arrow]

Okay so I saw the Who last night. I don't wanna type anything huge, mostly because the setlist was pretty reminiscent of all the others, still it was an amazing show.

Can't Explain and the Seeker starting off the evening and really got the crowd going with Pete's crazy windmills and such. They played alot of new stuff throughout the evening which I thought was pretty solid. I also really liked how well the EP flowed live, very well done. I was especially impressed with a song written about that spiritual advisor who's name escapes me right now, but you'll know who it was. It was a really chilled out song with the videos monitors showing videos of waves and oceans etc. SPeaking of the monitors they had some really cool stuff up there, much better than I'd expected. When they werent showing old footage of the band they usually had crazy trippy/cool animations and videos happening which were well done.

Highlights-Pete's Windmills, Roger's mic swinging, Won't Get Fooled Again, Baba, My Generation, Who are You, The Tommy set (I was so excited they played Sparks). The whole thing was amazing though.

Only thing I wish was abit better was for awhile during Sparks I couldn't really hear the punishing bassline. Which I like the best part. Well I could hear it but not as well as I'd like to.

oh yeah, I loved moe. too, I thought they had some really cool jams, and they changed variation often. They only thing is there lyrics werent great but who cares? They were awesome at playing, especially Rob, the bassist.

Also the performance was filmed and recorded for a DVD/CD and my buddy who also went to the show, floor seats (luck bastard) is gonna order it. So I'm totally gonna burn that off him.

I know I didnt cover shiiit in this so if anyone has any concert questions please ask. :)

[robo2448]

Sounds awesome. I wish I could have seen them when they came here. And the bass is the best part about Sparks! But I suppose it can't be quite the same without John. Seriously, though the bassline carries that song. If I ever need something to pump me up, Sparks always does the trick. Especially the Live at Leeds version.

[JohnXDoe]

It wasn't! I just haven't listened to them very much since June.....

since June!


/faints at prospect


/vetos Lunch's veto power :angry:

[JohnXDoe]

hello again.

found this link to free and authorized Who torrents. i don't have a dvd burner so i'm sticking to audio. i'm downloading the '74 Chalrton show as i type.

http://www.longliverock.org/downloads/index.php

anyway, does anyone know if i can mount a DVD file or whatever its called with DAEMON Tools and watch it without burning? and if so are their additional steps i have to take? thanks...

[Ephemeral]

Oh how I hope they play Sparks when I see them. *crosses fingers*

003 Days 22 Hours 51 Min 41 Sec omgomgomg

John, what type of file is it? An ISO?

Thanks for that link too..

[JohnXDoe]

i have no idea of the file type. i've really just skimmed the site. i'll have more info as i check it all out. the gig i'm downloading right now is a great one. i've seen clips from it many times but have never heard the entire thing. setlist:

Disc 1 (58:11 minutes):

01 - I Can't Explain
02 - Summertime Blues
03 - Young Man Blues
04 - Baba O'Riley
05 - Behind Blue Eyes
06 - Substitute
07 - I'm A Boy
08 - Tattoo
09 - Boris The Spider
10 - Drowned
11 - Bell Boy
12 - Dr Jimmy

Disc 2 (54:33 minutes):

01 - Won't Get Fooled Again
02 - Pinball Wizard
03 - See Me Feel Me
04 - 5:15
05 - Magic Bus
06 - My Generation
07 - Naked Eye
08 - Let's See Action
09 - My Generation Blues

these are flac files. if there are any questions i have about them i'll hit you up, as i know you're familiar with this stuff. good deal, then :)


EDIT: HOLY CRAP! I'm listening and this stuff is amazing. Leeds quality amazing. jeff i'm going to ask you for some flac file info, converting to mp3, etc....rep for your help when i can again. and i will gladly pass this around once coverted. far too large (668mb) as is. even comes with cover art:

Front
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3717/thewho19740518charltoncompletefrontcoveral4.jpg
Back
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8123/thewho19740518charltoncompleterearcoverpx9.jpg


:smoke:

[Ephemeral]

I've downloaded that one aswell. Great show indeed. I'm keeping mine in FLAC though, as it's now my codec of choice..

As for converting from FLAC, I'd recomend downloading foobar2000. You can add the FLAC files, and simply right click>>convert>>convert to, then pick your codec (use mp3 or I'll kill you) you can set up the kbps by clicking on the "..." button.

If you need any help with it just post here

[Lunch]

FLAC has the win quality right?

[Ephemeral]

It's a lossless codec that supports tagging. ^_____^

Also: As it turns out, it appears I may be on the floor when the Who roll into town! ^_____^

My friend got 2 floor tickets from an auction for a charity, and his mom said that if it was okay with me and my parents, I could give her my ticket, and take her place on the floor.

:D:D:D

[Ephemeral]

Oh my.

You guys must download the Amsterdam 1969-09-29 show. It's the first ever live perfomance of Tommy. Not bad quality either.

[Seafroggys]

where?

[JohnXDoe]

here, you n00b :p

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13364160&postcount=2036

[Dragon_Prince]

Oh my.

You guys must download the Amsterdam 1969-09-29 show. It's the first ever live perfomance of Tommy. Not bad quality either.


Wooohoooo Amsterdam :thumb:

[Seafroggys]

sorry I must have missed it :P

[Ephemeral]

002 Days 11 Hours 07 Min 42 Sec

omgomgomg

[Dragon_Prince]

Out Heeeeeeere In The Fields

[Seafroggys]

pick a different song. WE did Baba already

[Dragon_Prince]

I know but I love that song :'(

but

I'm singing this note because it fits in well with the chords I'm playing

[robo2448]

I don't mess with torrents. I'm just too lazy. I've heard that Amsterdam show though. I've been inspired to listen to it again.

np- Heaven and Hell

This is better than I remembered. Much better quality too. It's almost Leeds, but just not as tight a performance. Entwistle is still owning though.

Edit- Yeah this show is sweet. np- Young Man Blues

[JohnXDoe]

I know but I love that song :'(

but

I'm singing this note because it fits in well with the chords I'm playing
i don't know the next line :(
002 Days 11 Hours 07 Min 42 Sec

omgomgomg
:eek:
I don't mess with torrents. I'm just too lazy. I've heard that Amsterdam show though. I've been inspired to listen to it again.


robo, how can you be too lazy to use torrents? its a set it and forget it deal. and this site makes it easy. i only had one seeder and still got a 668mb file downloaded in no time :)

[robo2448]

Well lots of the stuff on torrents can be found in mp3. There's still a lot of it that can't, but I can find some stuff. For instance, sugarmegs probably has 15+ Who shows including the Amsterdam one. If I understood how torrents worked, then I'd use them, but they kind of confuse the hell out of me.

[Ephemeral]

I don't mess with torrents. I'm just too lazy. I've heard that Amsterdam show though. I've been inspired to listen to it again.

np- Heaven and Hell

This is better than I remembered. Much better quality too. It's almost Leeds, but just not as tight a performance. Entwistle is still owning though.

Edit- Yeah this show is sweet. np- Young Man Blues

Yes but do you have the entire second set? Where they play Tommy?

[robo2448]

Yes, yes I do.

[blue3]

It's a lossless codec that supports tagging. ^_____^

Also: As it turns out, it appears I may be on the floor when the Who roll into town! ^_____^

My friend got 2 floor tickets from an auction for a charity, and his mom said that if it was okay with me and my parents, I could give her my ticket, and take her place on the floor.

:D:D:D
Which row are you at for floor? I hate how there's seats but whatever.. It should still be awesome. 2 DAYS!!

[Ephemeral]

Which row are you at for floor? I hate how there's seats but whatever.. It should still be awesome. 2 DAYS!!

I have no idea. I think he said something like 30, but I'm not sure.

Where are you?

[blue3]

Somewhere up front. Row 3 or 4 or something like that.

[Leper]

They put on a pretty good show tonight. Roger was in good voice, Pete had lots of energy, and the opening act wasn't bad either.

Pete was having some guitar/amp issues. It's funny though how they've been around so long that something like that doesn't even phase them anymore. He just fixed the problem then they picked up right where they left off.

[JohnXDoe]

i was reading at the fan site board that pete has been plauged recently with problems with his rig. WTF could that be? the guy is guitarist for The Who and he's having rig probs. someone needs to be fired...

[blue3]

Who was the opening act?

[Seafroggys]

man, I loved John's rig. Seperate stacks for the treble and the bass. You can't get much better then that!

[Leper]

Who was the opening act?

Inward Eye. I'm pretty sure they're from Winnipeg so I doubt they'll be opening for them anywhere else. They were decent though. Entertaining at the very least.

It was funny, after having amp issues a second time, Pete disappeared for a minute and then came back and said, "I just had to tell him (the sound guy I guess) off."

[blue3]

Hah, I hope that doesn't happen.. in TWO DAYS!!

[JohnXDoe]

ok those of you going to the next gig, full reports are expected. review, perspepctive, and even a few non-personal pics of the venue, crowd, parking lot, whatever you can get, would also be nice.

jeff, row 30 is pretty damn good. have fun. and if you can't see, stand on your chair. have fun, kick arse, etc...

[Ephemeral]

Somewhere up front. Row 3 or 4 or something like that.

you bitch

[Ephemeral]

also, I'll probably bring a notepad and take notes. I'm a nerd like that.

[Ephemeral]

001 Days 03 Hours 20 Min 38 Sec

kekekeke

[JohnXDoe]

:eek:

i've read on the other board the shows are very good. new tunes (make sure to listen to Wire And Glass before you go) old tunes, all Who. the reviews for the shows are good. the singles It's Not Enough and Tea And Theater have come in at my music service and they sound much better then the leaked versions i linked here not long ago. pete has done a good job with producing and mixing. surprisingly modern production. might be the best sounding Who recordings ever. and Its Not Enough does grow on you. also advance word on the album is very good, with a few very positive reviews already in.

i also saw a live performance of Tea And Theater at the fan site from the other night and its very affecting, with just pete and rog performing. they close the entire show with it. it's reflective, relevant, and somewhat touching. i'm sure when you go see them it will be no less.

[blue3]

I downloaded Wire and Glass a few days ago. It's really good.

you bitchk thx. See you there haha.

[RNR]

I'm going to the Who tomorrow! wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[blue3]

Do you have floor tickets as well?

[RNR]

Nope. But 4th row.

[JohnXDoe]

wow this is great. three MXer's going to the same gig. don't tell the band. they may cancel :(

[AnyColour74]

it was a great show, you guys are going to love it. the only negative was the opening band. they flipped the crowd off at least 8 times, swear to god

[JohnXDoe]

flipping the crowd off is a great rock n roll tradition. i'm sure the sentiment was returned :)

[Ephemeral]

omgomgomg the who

are

in

my

city

right now

i

am

breathing

the

same

air

as

them

[Ephemeral]

****

02 Hours 47 Min 58 Sec

[RNR]

I'm leaving for the show in half an hour. And i'm feeling pretty good considering all of the excellent reviews.

[blue3]

That's so early.. I should leave early as well. I'm always usually late and miss the first band.

[Broken Arrow]

You will all love it. I did.

I was really impressed with Wire and Glass live too.

[robo2448]

I am so jealous. Enjoy the show guys.

[Lunch]

I hate you all.

[Broken Arrow]

But peace and love.......:(

[Lunch]

Hate!

[Broken Arrow]

I feel bad.

[JohnXDoe]

lolz

have a great time, guys. good thing so close to your b-day, jeff. its gonna be great. hit the internets when you get home, people. if you can. however breifly...

[Seafroggys]

5 days

[AnyColour74]

i was very impressed with pino palodino's bass playing. entwisle's shoes are tough to fill in, but i believe pino did a good job, especially because he didnt try to play exactly like entwisle played.

[Lunch]

I would say the same thing about Zak. He's a very good drummer that doesn't get much recognition because everyone immediately draws their attention to Pete and Roger (rightfully so, but still). Very talented rhythm section still with the Who though.

[Broken Arrow]

I found that Zak kept everything solid but not flashy or lead-like, like Keith's. Is this because he doesn't want to copy Moon?

[Lunch]

I would say there might be some of that involved, also there's the other aspect of him not wanting to steal the spotlight from Pete and Roger. I just think it's an awkward spot to fill in for a dead amazing member of a rock powerhouse like the Who. Both Zak and Pino deliver without trying to overdo it, which is great.

And judging from what I've heard from Zak, he may not be all over the kit all the time like Moon, but he does have some tasteful fills and clearly some ability.

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah, he definetly has the ability, and showed it. It just seem a little bit....whats the word...subdued? But yes. It's probably because what you said.

Also there was a track on Wire and Glass where Simon plays Mandolin. Anyone know the name of it?

[robo2448]

Zak reminds me more of Keith Moon than he does of his father. He's not an animal like Moon, but he is much more upfront than his father ever was.

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah because Ringo was a joke...

*waits for Seafroggys to come defend his boyfriend*

[Seafroggys]

****ing assholes...

[Lunch]

Haha pwnt.

Edit: Damn Seafroggys do you have a radar or something that lets you know when Ringo is being attacked?

[Broken Arrow]

Haha that only took 1 minute.

[xdarnold]

has anybody had a chance to hear theraveups's version of "smoke stack" ? my friend took me to their show and i was blown away, it was like townshend to a T! anyway its pretty much the coolest tone ever. you can look at msn search theraveups (no spaces) - their there. i'm outta here for a bit...

[JohnXDoe]

setlist from tuesday. tonight should be similar or the same:

I Can't Explain
The Seeker
Anyway Anyhow Anywhere
Baba O'Riley
Behind Blue Eyes
Real Good Looking Boy
Sound Round
Pick Up The Peace
Unholy Trinity
Endless Wire
We Got A Hit
Dream Come True
Mirror Door
Relay
Who Are You
Man In A Purple Dress
Black Widows Eyes
Fragments
My Generation
Won't Get Fooled Again
Substitute
Pinball Wizard
Amazing Journey
Sparks
See Me Feel Me
Listening To You
T and Theater

that's a fairly amazing set.


EDIT: broken arrow the song with the mandolin is Endless Wire

[miranda825]

has anybody had a chance to hear theraveups's version of "smoke stack" ? my friend took me to their show and i was blown away, it was like townshend to a T! anyway its pretty much the coolest tone ever. you can look at msn search theraveups (no spaces) - their there. i'm outta here for a bit...Sounds awesome, Prolly taught Elvis to play guitar in his spare time

[Ephemeral]

kekekeke just got back! Really good show. The set list (as best I can remember it) was:

I Can't Explain
Anyway Anyhow Anywhere
Black Widows Eyes
Who Are You
Behind Blue Eyes
Sound Round
Pick Up The Peace
Unholy Trinity
Endless Wire
We Got A Hit
Dream Come True
Mirror Door
Relay
Baba O'Riley

ah **** i can't remember right now... really good show though. The sound from where I was sitting (right by the sound mixers hehehe) was pretty decent, but the bass guitar could have been a little louder. I nearly creamed my pants when they came on for the encore, and did Pinball Wizard=>Amazing Journey=>Parts of Overtures=>Sparks etc. Then we got them to come back out after. :cool:

I think I saw Julianne (blue3) on my way back down the stairs after doing a pee pee =]

Where were you RNR?

Sorry, no pics. And maybe I will remember the setlist tomorrow. I'm in awe right now. :D

[blue3]

Hah, I totally saw you.. I think. I'm not really sure..

My friends took a ****load of pictures and I barely took any cause my camera phone sucks. One of them got a guitar pick and I didn't :(

They played The Seeker, Pinball Wizard, See Me, Feel Me, Won't Get Fooled Again, Man In A Purple Dress, Tea and Theater as well. I can't really remember the rest.

edit - omfg I forgot My Generation and You Better You Bet. They had an awesome long setlist.

[JohnXDoe]

so what did you guys really think, though? i mean did they sound like The Who? did they meet your expectations? what do you think of rog and pete? how was pete's playing? roger sound good? how was the crowd, etc...

how is the new stuff live? how did it go over? details, please...

[Ephemeral]

They definetly sounded like The Who. They are the only ones in the world that can :p

Pete's playing was great, and Rogers voice was in really good shape. They looked like they were having a hell of a time too, in typical Who fashion. :cool:

I'll write some more later. Last night I wanted to go to sleep, and as I write this, I just got up (late too >_>)

[StrawberryFieldsForever]

Man they were ****in amazing here in Winnipeg.

Definetly kicks Audioslave down a spot as my second favorite concert I've ever been too.

[apple pie]

could anyone tell me the song by the who, which is the tribute to elvis, where the chours is

"He was a beautiful boy"

or something to that effect.

[JohnXDoe]

real good looking boy. its on the "Then And Now" compilation...

[Eliminator]

My favorite member of the Whos is Tommy.

[Ephemeral]

oic..

[Jeremy Walpole]

My favorite member is Roger! I could make man love with him all night!

[Seafroggys]

My favorite member of the Whos is Tommy.

:lol:

[RNR]

kekekeke just got back! Really good show. The set list (as best I can remember it) was:

I Can't Explain
Anyway Anyhow Anywhere
Black Widows Eyes
Who Are You
Behind Blue Eyes
Sound Round
Pick Up The Peace
Unholy Trinity
Endless Wire
We Got A Hit
Dream Come True
Mirror Door
Relay
Baba O'Riley

ah **** i can't remember right now... really good show though. The sound from where I was sitting (right by the sound mixers hehehe) was pretty decent, but the bass guitar could have been a little louder. I nearly creamed my pants when they came on for the encore, and did Pinball Wizard=>Amazing Journey=>Parts of Overtures=>Sparks etc. Then we got them to come back out after. :cool:

I think I saw Julianne (blue3) on my way back down the stairs after doing a pee pee =]

Where were you RNR?

Sorry, no pics. And maybe I will remember the setlist tomorrow. I'm in awe right now. :D

Somewhere after that there were some more killer tunes and then a few songs off of Tommy :). I can't really remember either.

No Love Reign O'er Me :(. Probably because they didn't think that Rodger could do it anymore. I wouldn't have cared.

My seats were near the back of the left side on the 2nd balcony. I could see sort of well...

edit: and yes, they were superb. It was everything that you would expect The Who at any age to be.

[Seafroggys]

In the A&E section of my Newspaper today, they had a huge 3-4 page thing on the Who. The concert, the new CD review, local musician's opinion on the whole thing. It was really cool.

They were the cover story as well.

On the second page of the article there was a picture captioned 'The Glory Days' which has an awesome stage shot of them circa Who's Next (judging by the facial hair and Keith's set).

[Dragon_Prince]

No Love Reign O'er Me :(. Probably because they didn't think that Rodger could do it anymore. I wouldn't have cared.



They played it where I was+Drowned+Mike Post Theme+My Generation+TheKids Are alright(I think) - The Relay - All other wire and glass stuff :p


And I'm glad you all had a great time :)

[robo2448]

Sounds awesome guys.

[apple pie]

real good looking boy. its on the "Then And Now" compilation...

thank you, such a nice diddy.

[JohnXDoe]

alright. here is a fan review of the Edmonton show that someone posted at the band site. the reason i'm posting it is because pete has been having rig problems the entire tour despite using one of the top guitar techs in the business. and apparently last night it almost did him in :eek:

This was a mind blowing concert, and almost literally for Pete Townshend who may have been nearly zapped to oblivion.

Townshend was having problems with his equipment all night. He was constantly harrasing the tech crew about this and that. And then during Won't Get Fooled Again he was adjusting something on one of his amps - and ZAP! Townshend at first looked at his hand and then staggered to the back of the stage. Once there he appeared to be collapsing, but managed to stay upright with the help of the crew. Meanwhile, the rest of the band looked on in horror. It was obvious they were considering stopping the show. However, within a minute Townshend stumbled back and finished the song. The incident, perhaps oddly seemed to re-energize him as he played the rest of the song like a wild demon.

Despite Townshend's equipment problems the Edmonton concert - close to a sell out - was fantastic, mainly because Townshend was on fire all night, perhaps not happy with his so-so performance the night before.

The band opened with I Can't Explain, The Seeker and AAA. And then it was Fragments - the one song on the new CD I am still struggling with. The rest of the set list was pretty much the same as Calgary's except Unholy Trinity was dropped. The band opted to play a gorgeous version of Really Good Looking Boy in Edmonton.

One of the advantages for the band in Edmonton was the crowd. Unlike Calgary, they were pretty much into the show right from the start. But like Calgary the crowd began to explode at the start of Baba O'Reilly, became unglued during another great rendition of My Generation and possitively out of their minds during Won't Get Fooled Again - even during Townshend's trials with his equipment.

Daltrey had some problems tonight. He had trouble handling the higher registers of Who Are You, and I think he was very much aware of Townshend's equipment problems.

Pino was again great. I took special notice of his beautiful fret work during the six-song set of Wire & Glass.

The crowd was appreciative of the new material, especially once again for Man in a Purple Dress. All and all, a great show.

[Dragon_Prince]

I saw, the WHo live in toronto in the store today, but I didn't bought it, I bought so much other stuff :)

[Seafroggys]

he better not have amp problems by the time he gets to Portland!

[RNR]

They played it where I was+Drowned+Mike Post Theme+My Generation+TheKids Are alright(I think) - The Relay - All other wire and glass stuff :p


And I'm glad you all had a great time :)


Pfft. Looks like you got the better show.

[Ephemeral]

Yeah, I was kind of pissed that they didn't do anything off Quadrophenia, but their Tommy set made up for it.

He didn't have any amp problems here, but Roger complained about the pot saying that he'd love to join them in a toot, but he's now allergic to it and it was affecting his performance. Pete then shouted some anti-drug slogan and I lol'd.

Pete was making cracks all night, my favorite one being "The last time we played here was 1967 and 1968. It was at the corral, in a big pile of cow ****."

[JohnXDoe]

pete is a pisser. funny guy. the Quad stuff has been lost to the new stuff. which is fine with me. fact of the matter is in recent years they have played for the most part Drowned, 5:15, and Love Reign O'er Me. in that order at the same place in the set. pretty predictible. sometimes they would replace Drowned with The Punk And The Godfather (that would be awesome even on its own) or Sea And Sand. and The Real Me hasn't been performed since john died. i would like to hear different songs from Quad. not likely...

[blue3]

I finally decided to upload some pictures. It turned out decent. Kind of.

http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l134/nightrain-/

[Dragon_Prince]

David Bowie - Platinum collection
Blue Oyster Cult - The Singles
Fleetwood Max - Best off
Gabriel, Peter - So
Genesis - Foxtrot
Hacket, Steve - Spectral Mornings
Hacket, Steve - The Tokyo Tapes
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
Sigur Ros - Takk

So I boguht this yesterday and the day before that. What do you think? :P

[JohnXDoe]

HOLY CRAP, Blue! Great pics. If I had personal pics of The Who like that I would shi.t myself. I mean I have some you took now, but to be there and take those myself? That would be the way to go. You had great seats! Must of sounded terriffic.

Dragon Prince I like Bowie, Mac, Gabrriel, and Oasis from your list. BOC, Genesis, and Floyd I can live without. Hacket and Ros I have not heard....

[Ephemeral]

Great pics, Julianne.

Makes me jealous that you were so close to Townshend*.

Also, I am so ordering this:

http://www.themusic.com/detail.cfm?id=9000430

EDIT: *God

[JohnXDoe]

^ Damn that is SWEET! You know i'm getting myself one. I might get an Irvine Meadows DVD, too. The show i went to in 2002. It was only the second one with Pino. Good gig. Probably just get the DVD. And that's a great deal.

So Jeff, a little more about the gig, perhaps? Were you completely satisfied? I read Pete was again having big problems with his rig and it affected his playing sometimes. Did you notice? How was Zak, etc....

k

[Ephemeral]

He didn't have any problems with his rig that I know of when they played here, although I know that he had major problems in Edmonton, and also almost collapsed.

I had seen Pelican just the night before, and maybe it isn't really fair to draw a comparison between the two, but that's what I did. When put next to the act that I had seen the previous night, The Who did come up a little short, but not by much. The new group is still really strong, and tight as a musical unit, and each musician was really playing hard.

The thing that bothered me about the show is that most of the time the stuff playing up on the screens really stole the show away from the actuall performers. I think alot of people felt that.

Still an explosive live act, they didn't dissapoint me at all. For their age they really did put on an excellent show. Roger's voice obviously isn't as good as it used to be though, and it showed.

Maybe I'm just a little sad that they didn't play anything off Quadrophenia, but meh.

Their new stuff really was the best part of the show for me. I've listened to the Wire and Glass EP for hours, and it sounded great live.

[blue3]

I don't think he had huge rig problems, cause I didn't notice. And he almost collapsed in Edmonton? WTF? I didn't know Roger was allergic to pot, but everyone was still smoking it anyway. Some guy beside me actually left for awhile to smoke outside and came back.

Great pics, Julianne.

Makes me jealous that you were so close to Townshend*.

Also, I am so ordering this:

http://www.themusic.com/detail.cfm?id=9000430

EDIT: *GodWell, maybe if you said hi, I would've stole my friends ticket and gave it to you! ..or not. But it's really easy to get up front for any concert. I'm definitely buying that cd/dvd.

[Ephemeral]

I was really quite pleased where I was, because the sound mixer mixes for himself you know, and that's really where I was sitting.

[blue3]

That's where I was for Tool. I had to stand on my seat to be able to see the entire stage though. I found this - http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/entertainment/blog.html

[JohnXDoe]

i've seen that. that review is a piece of shi.t. and the reviewer should be embarrassed. the entire paper should. very unprofessional. he doesn't even know Eminence Front isn't a new song. he and his crap review should be shot...

[Seafroggys]

that guy's an idiot.

People go watch older bands because they want to hear the hits. From a musician's standpoint, playing the same old **** sucks. New material is where its at.

[Ephemeral]

Yeah, I found that to be really dumb...

I'm surprised that the Herald actually put that on their website.

[JohnXDoe]

that guy's an idiot.

People go watch older bands because they want to hear the hits. From a musician's standpoint, playing the same old **** sucks. New material is where its at.
and its great new material. he didn't even pay it lip service. what an as.s. he complains they did twelve new songs (some of which were the abbreviated Wire And Glass songs) and if they hadn't he would of called them a washed up oldies act, i'm sure. and then he quotes that imbecile who said they were always bad and couldn't play their instruments and people wanted to hear Hermans Hermits instead back in the day when they toured together.

of course the idiot didn't mention The Who were opening for Hermans Hermits so of course everyone hated them. and that The Who came out onstage with people expecting Herman and what they got was this offensively loud band breaking up the stage instead. The Who kicked as.s on that tour. and they loved being hated. they thought it was funny. poor Hermits following the 'orrible 'OO. that must of been beautiful and a lol...

but of course dick face misses the whole point! :angry:

[blue3]

I think they’re tryin’ to catch me writin’ dirty, tryin’ to catch me writin’ dirty. . . Yeah, okay, what a brilliant way to end the review. Sure, Herald puts that on their site but doesn't even make an article about Tool, at all.

[Ephemeral]

that's it

I'm looking him up in the phone book, and we can all give him a nice talking to.

>: )

EDIT: There are two Nick Lewis's to choose from.

http://www.whitepages.com/14542/search/Find_Person?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Nick&name=Lewis&city_zip=Calgary&state_id=AB

[Seafroggys]

I'd just e-mail the guy. I'm sure there's contact info on their website.

Though I'm pissed. I swore you could bring cameras to the concert, but no, I took a look at my ticket and it said no cameras. Pisses me off. Did anybody get a chance to?

Oh, btw.......32 hours.

EDIT; Happy birthday Thunderfingers!

[blue3]

All tickets say no cameras/recorders. The security guy saw me holding my friends camera and didn't do anything about it. Maybe it depends on the venue.. who knows.

& happy birthday John Entwistle.. and Lennon.

[JohnXDoe]

All tickets say no cameras/recorders. The security guy saw me holding my friends camera and didn't do anything about it. Maybe it depends on the venue.. who knows.

& happy birthday John Entwistle.. and Lennon.
yeah Happy Birthday, Ox. You dumb, dead badtard :upset:

so far as the camera issue? i think its more a venue thing. or just general policy. i've read interviews with Pete and he doesn't care. he wants people to take pics. meh....

[Ephemeral]

I should have brought a recording rig

>_>

[Seafroggys]

9 hours

[JohnXDoe]

yay! full report expected :)

[Ephemeral]

oshi

have fun

[Broken Arrow]

My history teacher, who was on the floor near the sound mixer, peeled off/stole the stickers that said official Who sound mixer or whatever.

[Ephemeral]

=o

I should have done that

[JohnXDoe]

:rolleyes:

[Seafroggys]

...

...

...

...

I speak to you.....

...

...

...a changed man.

[JohnXDoe]

well speak more, dammit! :smash:

i need to know all about it...

[Seafroggys]

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/

Here's all the pictures I took of the show. Sorry, its a 6 year old digital camera with no zoom lens, but I'm more then happy I got these. Most of them were of the Tommy encore, and I'll explain why a bunch at the end are blurry as hell. And the pictures don't show it, but we were closer then it appears. Oh, and they're in backward order.

So we get there (my dad and I). The opening band (Rose Hill Drive I think their name is) did about 5-6 songs, and I liked them. They were a good band, got a positive response. I'm sure they knew no one was there to see them, but they did feel honored playing the same stage as The Who.

So then the stage is readied for the Who. And finally, Pete walks on, spotlight on him. The whole crowd goes in an uproar. And as do I. While Roger walks on, it finally hit me.....holy ****, they're real! They ARE REAL, AND THEY ARE RIGHT THERE! Just a basketball court away! I started flipping out. The rest of the band came on, and Pete launched Can't Explain. Roger launched his mic in every which way. I was standing and going ballistic. During the solo, Pete did two quick windmills, and the crowd went crazy, as Tommy hit....oh, sorry :P Yeah, but a huge cheer happened during those first windmills.

Then The Seeker and Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere. My memory is kinda blurred about the order, but I'm sure its the same as the last couple of gigs. During the mini-opera, people began sitting down (those lame bastards) but I stood up for as long as I could until my dad thought it would be best that I sit down so I wouldn't block everybody behind me.

Right as Behind Blue Eyes started up, some chic behind me dropped her keys into my seat, and demanded I search for them WHILE THE MUSIC WAS STARTING! I came to watch the ****ing Who, not find some keys. Luckily, it took me 2 seconds, but I was pissed.

The guy running the pre-recorded tracks started up what was Eminence Front, but Pete had him cut it out so he could introduce the band. Speaking of which, they were all amazing. Zak was ****ing awesome. Pino did good. Simon did some good backup vocal work (and it was his birthday). Mr. Texan man did his thing. So it was good. Roger hit every note all throughout. Pete was moving around and windmilling and did the occasional scissor-kick jump! :) I can't believe these guys are in their 60s. More like my dad in his late 40s.

I know I'm going kinda out of order with the music. But Baba was right after the mini-opera, and everyone went berserk. Especially when the guitar came in. And EVERYBODY sang along to the bridge. Man, more audience volume than Pete! Amazing. And more cheers when the harmonica was whipped out.

Real Good Looking Boy I really liked. I never heard the song before, but I really liked it. I like nice homely C Major songs! Heh....

Then came Won't Get Fooled Again. Occasionally I felt Zak slip slightly out of time with the backing track, but he quickly recovered. It was kind of lacking energy in the beginning (I'm sure they were tired) but built up continually until the break. And then Zak's drum intro thing started, and I began freaking out (I'm a drummer, and it was cool, and yeah). I wanted to get a photo of the scream, but I wanted to enjoy the moment rather than process it. And OH MY GOD! I screamed so loud, as well as many others in the crowd. "Meet the old Boss, same as the old Boss" **** yes. Good times, I can't explain. Heh.

So they walk off, and I immediately gun it to rush the floor for the encore. I got to the bottom of the stairs, but there was like two people watching it, so I huddled myself into a row. Then came up the Tommy medley (which is, I'm sure you all know, my favorite album). Pinball Wizard came on, and I was like "OMG pictures!" Half of my pictures were of the encore I'm sure :cool:

The person I was right next to sucked. It was some teenager (high school age I'm guessing) with his girlfriend, and he was slightly excited for Pinball Wizard, but not any of the other songs (probably one of those shallow wannabe poser CR kids). And they kept kissing each other. MY GOD! Even if I dated the hottest chic in the world, I WOULD NOT WANT TO KISS HER AT A WHO CONCERT! The Who deserve all my attention, not some broad ;) . Anyways, the kid kept looking back at me because I was screaming and going insane and dancing and enjoying the music! Heh, stupid loser. Anyways, Amazing Journey was cool, but Sparks was so ****ing awesome! It probably rocked harder than anything else that night. It was also like 8 minutes long. Roger broke a tambourine.

Then came the moment I was waiting for. Roger picked up the mic, Pete strummed an Ebmaj7 chord, and Roger sings "See Me!" I was in a trance. I got several pictures of that as I reverred in my favorite song. Someone whipped out a lighter (which I wish I had). Then the interlude into Listening to You, and I jumped so high and pumped my fist high into the air to salute the Gods of Rock. I began singing along so loudly and dancing so hard! Some drunk guy came down and kept on wanting to sing to me and kept on turning me around, but we just jumped up and down and sang along and it was glorious. One of the most beautiful, greatest moments of my life. And I remember very little of it, but my god I haven't been this happy in so long. it was pure bliss! Unfortunately, I never stood still for all the bazillion shots I took, so they're all pointing which way and blurry. But still.....man.....yeah.

They get done, and the two break out into Tea and Theatre. It was a beautiful way to end the evening. When they sang the line with "Its just the two of us" or whatever the line is, the audience cheered. You will always be with us, John and Keith. Always.

And then Pete gave us his greatest thanks, and they walked off. Not until I exclaimed "Guys, you will NEVER grow old!"

[robo2448]

That sounds so awesome. I know what you mean about the people next to you. I had the same problem at Bruce Springsteen.

[Broken Arrow]

For me it was CSNY.

[JohnXDoe]

oh man what a great review. rep'd :)

that's what i was waiting for. the whole experience. your pic link doesn't work, though? takes us to your sign in page. can you fix please? thanks again!

[Seafroggys]

I don't know how to link a folder, so maybe help me out here? ;)

[JohnXDoe]

i have no idea :confused: don't use photo bucket. someone is bound to come along who knows, though. or ask around. i'll do the same when i get back from dinner. i really want to see those photos! :D

[Ephemeral]

Sounds like you had a great time!

I didn't sit down the entire concert.. If I did, I wouldn't be able to see :D:D

[Ephemeral]

so who's next (lol) for seeing the who?

[Seafroggys]

i see them every so often.

Still, I have bits of the concert flash by my eyes, and I get totally excited and excstatic. I never had this with McCartney.

[Ephemeral]

omfg you've seen McCartney too?

I AM COMING TO REAP YOUR SOUL.

[MattSharpIsCool]

i see them every so often.

Still, I have bits of the concert flash by my eyes, and I get totally excited and excstatic. I never had this with McCartney.

So you live in Portland? Seeing as you went on the 10th.

I wanted to go to the show so badly, but the only price for tickets I saw was $350. How much did you pay?

[Drunken Viking]

****, I really wanted to see The Who but tixs are like 100$, I'm debating if it's worth it.

[Seafroggys]

omfg you've seen McCartney too?

I AM COMING TO REAP YOUR SOUL.

twice. October 18, 2002 and November 5, 2005. Plus I saw Ringo on August 27, 2001.

But The Who seriously owned it. I planned on getting floor seats, but the moment the website went up they were already sold out. I had just got a job so $100 wasn't that big of an issue, I easily make that in two days (or did, until I got fired).

Anybody figure out how to link sub-albums in a photo bucket?

[Drunken Viking]

Christ you have a good memory.

[JohnXDoe]

****, I really wanted to see The Who but tixs are like 100$, I'm debating if it's worth it.
You don't have to spend too much to see The Who. I got a $57 ticket. After service charge and tax it was $74. My seat is right here, where its circled in black with a red dot:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4654/ppuo2.jpg

Not bad. And its an aisle seat :)

[Drunken Viking]

The 52$ tix are sold out for the Colorado show, the least expensive ones are the 100 doller ones. :(

[JohnXDoe]

If its a slow sale or all aren't sold they have been lowering prices and giving special deals. So stay alert for those. At one concert they closed an entire section for lack of sales and the people who bought tickets for it got to go down front. Not to say the tour isn't doing well. Its doing very well. But some cities better then others and they have been making an attempt to get every ticket sold they can. One city had cheap seats going for $25 a cuople of days before the show. So like I said, keep your eyes and ears open...

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah I'll do that, because 100$ is ridiculous, I don't care who the band is.

[blue3]

100 is a lot, definitely worth it though.

[JohnXDoe]

The band decided not to take corporate sponsorship for the tour so that is one of the reasons for the higher tix prices. Also their promoter convinced them older fans would be able to afford the tickets, being they are people with jobs and what not. Meaning just older and established. Which unfortunately means some fans have to settle for cheaper seats. I think the prices are $202, $100, $77, and $57. Not bad, but not great. When I saw them in 2002 I paid $35 for about the same position I have now. In 2004 I paid $45.

This is the last go around so I think its ok. I know Pete is set, but Roger needs to make some money. As do the other musicians. And for those who care to everybody who buys a ticket is an automatic member in thewhotour.com. (credit/debit card required) Which is a real good site for fans like us. I just saw I Can't Explain and some interesting footage from Edmonton there. So thats a bonus. Plus The Who are giving much money to charity and funding various sales and auctions for charity with the tour money. So all in a days work with the somewhat high ticket prices, I would say...

[Ephemeral]

twice. October 18, 2002 and November 5, 2005. Plus I saw Ringo on August 27, 2001.

But The Who seriously owned it. I planned on getting floor seats, but the moment the website went up they were already sold out. I had just got a job so $100 wasn't that big of an issue, I easily make that in two days (or did, until I got fired).

Anybody figure out how to link sub-albums in a photo bucket?

you are so gay

[Seafroggys]

If its a slow sale or all aren't sold they have been lowering prices and giving special deals. So stay alert for those. At one concert they closed an entire section for lack of sales and the people who bought tickets for it got to go down front. Not to say the tour isn't doing well. Its doing very well. But some cities better then others and they have been making an attempt to get every ticket sold they can. One city had cheap seats going for $25 a cuople of days before the show. So like I said, keep your eyes and ears open...

Yeah they closed off the 300 level in the Rose Garden. Still a packed crowd though.

[JohnXDoe]

Here is something Pete said in an interview a few weeks ago. I suppose the truth is kind of tragic and sad:

Late THE WHO rocker JOHN ENTWISTLE died because he continued living "high" into middle age, according to his surviving bandmate PETE TOWNSHEND.

Townshend claims he and frontman ROGER DALTREY found it impossible to curb Entwistle's appetite for partying and drugs, because the bassist insisted he would prefer to die than give up his rock 'n' roll lifestyle.

Townshend says, "What happened with John was that he got used to living high, and his money supply was cut off."

"In the end, when Roger came to me and said, 'Listen, we've got to help John, let's try to train him to live less high,' we couldn't do that.

"And as we trained him to live less high, he died. He didn't want to live less high. He preferred to be dead, in a sense." Entwistle died in June 2002 from a heart attack after taking cocaine in Las Vegas, Nevada.

:(

[robo2448]

Poor John:(

I've never paid more than the cheapest seats for a show. It's still great. Because when you factor in ticketmaster's gay charges, cost of a shirt, train tickets, it all adds up to a ton of money.

[Ephemeral]

:(

why oh why

[JohnXDoe]

Here is a just released Pete interview with some magazine:




The Who have been credited with a number of rock'n'roll innovations, from aggressive proto-punk sounds and behavior to synthesizer usage and stadium-scope spectacle. Yet songwriter Pete Townshend's most lasting creation may be the combination of storytelling and music christened, with tongue firmly in cheek, the rock opera, a format that has recently experienced a second wave of popularity through albums by the Streets, the Fiery Furnaces, and R. Kelly. Now down to Townshend and singer Roger Daltrey, the Who's latest comeback record, Endless Wire, avoids the play-it-safe habits of the band's gray-templed peers by returning to musical narratives, the second half dominated by the "mini-opera" Wire & Glass. The proudly computer-literate Townshend (he made a point of mentioning that Pitchfork is on his MyGoogle newspaper) and I spoke over e-mail about rock operas past and present.

Pitchfork: What has drawn you back toward the idea of musical narratives at this juncture in your career?

Pete Townshend: I have never stopped doing it-- if I have appeared to stray from the story, the story has not changed. I write about the trauma, or the effect of it, visited on my generation since the last war, [which was] caused by the denial of older generations. The new story is, like the first mini-opera ("A Quick One"), Tommy, and Quadrophenia, set in a neighborhood where young people look for answers and their parents seem unable to help. So they look to art, to music, to spirituality, to congregation, and finally to the endless wire for solutions. What happened? Why won't they talk about it? Should we fight back at our enemies today or become supreme and pacifist liberals? Do we even matter? Does what we do or say make any difference?

Pitchfork: How does the Wire & Glass mini-opera connect back to previous Who or Pete Townshend rock operas?

PT: It is connected specifically to Lifehouse, because the three members of the band Glass in the opera want to revive Ray High's lost dream to join everyone together using music in a huge internet concert event. It is connected too to Psychoderelict, a solo album for me in 1993, because this d0cumented Ray High's descent and failure to realize his dream.

Pitchfork: Wire & Glass is intended to be a companion to your novella The Boy Who Heard Music; did you always intend this story to be presented in both written and musical formats?

PT: It started as a radio play that I hope to serialize on the internet using my live streaming system at my studio (now called TowserTV). I couldn't quite crack that, so I serialized it on a blog instead as a regular text piece. I think The Boy Who Heard Music has enough color and story to work as a small theatre piece with music, and parts of it are visionary and screwy enough to make a great Las Vegas Circus Ballet. But the songs are what is most important, and each one might make a cool animation film.

Pitchfork: Why did you decide to do this mini-opera as part of a Who album, rather than as a solo record? What does Daltrey's participation add to the project?

PT: I almost fancy making a solo record now I've done one for the Who, but if this hadn't worked for the Who I would not have released it is a solo record. Roger's input is that of editor and interpreter-- then once ideas are fashioned he's a very powerful part of the delivery engine we call the Who. No better way to get a good idea out to the world.

Pitchfork: The promotional materials describe Wire & Glass as being the music composed "so far" for your novella. Can we expect a more complete rock opera in the future? If so, why did you decide to release this "mini-opera" in an incomplete state?

PT: I went on to add another four songs to the album, and there are a few more I could add if there was any kind of second life for the story, but I am delighted to have the story come out this way. I wanted the incomplete mini-opera released so that the Who would at least have some music released before we started our European tour.

Pitchfork: Pardon me if I'm conflating you with your characters, but The Boy Who Heard Music features an aging rock star who appears to have advice to relate to a young band on the road to stardom. At one point in the promotional notes, you say, "He rues the fact that the rock industry seems unable to change." What message are you trying to convey to young musicians in the industry today?

PT: You are maybe drawing me toward my characters too much, but that is what happens. I always think John Updike must be a little sex mad. He probably isn't. Ray High has no advice to give, only caution. In fact he is not available to the band. He is watching them from the ether, he is meditating and can see the way they come together, and grow up, and become smashed by the business the way he did. It is in that respect that Ray believes the rock industry cannot change-- it cannot save its own. But in reality we are beginning to save our own. We have older survivors who can speak to younger ones about why it isn't necessary to die.

Pitchfork: Musical narratives have been making a comeback lately, from artists like the Fiery Furnaces, the Streets, R. Kelly, and Pedro the Lion. Have you heard any of these story-records, and if so, what do you think about what they've done with the format?

PT: I know about the Streets. Fantastic. I will check out the others immediately.

Pitchfork: Can you explain what the "Method" process is, and how it has evolved since the days of the original Lifehouse project?

PT: It is a realization of the Lifehouse Method in the original fiction. Today it is possible to do what in 1971 I could only dream about. I have a website prepared, you visit it, enter some data, and get tailor-made music back. Your music, and that of everyone who visits the site, will blend together. In the original story there was a VR thread as well, that has become less interesting to me now.

Pitchfork: What is it about the Lifehouse project that has brought you back to it multiple times in your career?

PT: Even though I say so myself it was a magnificent revelation of prescience. I predicted something of the future. However, the foundation for the idea was instilled in me at art school in 1961 by Roy Ascott and his Foundation Team. They first introduced me to words like cybernetics and semiotics when the only computers in the world were as big as aircraft carriers. Look for Henry Silverman in The Boy Who Heard Music. This character is loosely based on Harold Cohen, the inventor of the fine art painting robot called AARON. Harold was one of the teachers on Roy Ascott's course. These were quite brilliant, far-sighted men.

Pitchfork: You seem to be fascinated by the internet, and yet Wire & Glass contains a vision of the future "strangled by wire and communications." Are you pessimistic or optimistic about the spread of technology in modern society?

PT: I am not pessimistic or optimistic. We will make of this what we will. It is a tool not an end. We are the receivers, we need to divide time, and to live in the moment such division allows us. We cannot be pure in any other way living in the materialist west. That's why music is so vital to us I think.

Pitchfork: How do you feel that the internet has impacted the music industry? Has it changed your approach to making or distributing music?

PT: Only slightly. It has not delivered all of its promise. Yes, we can get our music to our audience, but as yet we have not persuaded them to pay the way they do when they come see us play live. Turning something into low resolution data does seem to make it worth less in the modern world. Some girl I know told me that all cars could be run on water, only the man who invented the process was "assassinated" by the petrochemical people. Water is more precious than oil. Both are more precious than music. Music won't heat a house or help a plant to grow.

Pitchfork: The story of Wire & Glass appears to contain a lot of religious imagery and themes. How have your feelings on religion changed since Tommy, when religion (of the organized sort, at least) was largely portrayed in a negative light?

PT: I respect those who follow religious routes only if they seem to me to be morally proper and in accord with the modern world. Religion seems to me like vapour on the ocean that is my idea of who and what God is. Not bad vapour, just not very substantial.

[rockinbass17]

When I read Pete Townshend's interviews, I always wonder what it would be like to think as he does for a day. His mind has always struck me as very peculiar. It would be interesting to see what he thinks about.

By the way, I rep'ed you because you're always posting a greaet deal of articles, interviews, etc. that have been very informative. :thumb:

[JohnXDoe]

thank u thank u. :)

Yeah Pete is something. I reviewed the Qudrophenia Live DVD for sputnik a couple days ago and I was struck how he alternately makes things more complicated then they are and also makes complcated things simple. He really is quite an incredible artist. My music service just got all his solo stuff. And I do mean all of it. Except the Lifehouse project series. But they got his collection of demos, the Scoop series. And his demos are amazing. Some sound nearly as good as The Who recordings. And others are experimental to some extent. Some are full band arrangements with full instumentation, Pete playing everything including drums. And he's good. Keyboards, bass, you name it. Long Live Rock sounds like Long Live Rock. You Better You Bet, as well. Really cool...

[Ephemeral]

i repped u 2

:-*

[robo2448]

I'm not very original.

/jumps on bandwagon

[JohnXDoe]

i repped u 2

:-*
I'm not very original.

/jumps on bandwagon
Wow I am feeling the love. Rep party in The Who thread :)

haha

I'm gonna rep everyone with over 20 posts in this thread starting tonight. Thats quite a bit so i'll run out before i'm done. But we've all done our part to keep this thread going and its been a great thing for R&M I think.

Second leg of the tour starts in Los Angeles on the 4th and I'm going on the 5th. I hear at the fan site changes are being made to the setlist. Could be more new stuff played. And different new stuff, as the album comes out just five days before. I've read they may also dump some older stuff in favor of different older stuff. Which would be great. We'll see. Ought to be interesting.

Oh, looks like an SNL appearance as well as Jimmy Kimmel, etc...might be coming up. Those kinds of things. So keep a look out...

[Lunch]

I try to rep a few select users whenever I can, but I don't give it out that much so I usually have to spread it around.

Oh yea I got a bigger avatar if you guys hadn't noticed me recently. More Who.

[blue3]

hah, I think this is my 20th post.

The Who setlists changes a lot anyway. Whatever they play, it's still an awesome show.

oh and that's a nice new old avatar.

[JohnXDoe]

yeah Lunch that avatar pwns. if i ever win reviewer of the month again at sputnik i have a huge townshend one ready to go. its awesome. but only if they let me have my current one back. because i like it and they can be pissers about avatars at sputnik. :(

[Lunch]

The only reason I'd want to be a mod is so I could have a huge ownage shot of some Who.

This logo/image is just so classic and perfect though.

[robo2448]

Which is why I stole it as part of our sneaky little halloween switch thing. But then I realized that:
1. I look like an idiot with it as a smaller size
2. You've had that avatar the entire time I've been on the site and it seems just wrong for anyone else to have it.

[JohnXDoe]

The only reason I'd want to be a mod is so I could have a huge ownage shot of some Who.

This logo/image is just so classic and perfect though.
I have that poster on my living room wall. Nice frame, behind glass.

Here is the Townshend one i want:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1133/petetownshend1uo9.jpg

I WILL make it happen. I'll even shrink it a little if need be. :smash:

[Lunch]

Yea that would be good.

http://www.genesis-publications.com/books/who/pete_jump1.jpg

^Better

[blue3]

I have that 2nd picture on a shirt.

[JohnXDoe]

Yea that would be good.

http://www.genesis-publications.com/books/who/pete_jump1.jpg

^Better
:amaze:

man they would never let us have one of those. you'd have to be joshmay or something. that one has to be super large because of Townshends leg span, too. i've seen that shot smaller and pete looks too little.

don't they know we just want to honor The Who? anyone could understand that. :confused:

[Seafroggys]

Check out my avatar for another forum I frequent.

http://www.toolkitzone.com/forums/images/avatars/126370424452ddbe7880b5.gif

I made it myself too, from a pic I found on some website.

[JohnXDoe]

thats pretty awesome. i actually have a non photoshopped version of the same in my avatar folder. just in case i ever want to use it. this is mine at another forum i post at:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3096/41326316petetownshendpa2032fl2.jpg

i like it pretty well. damn MX never lets us have any fun! :mad:


EDIT: said the guy with the big 3D avatar :rolleyes:

[Seafroggys]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/avatar01.gif

There's another one from another forum. Direct DVD rip, too! :D

[Ephemeral]

the mods hate me too much to give me a bigger avatar

[JohnXDoe]

but...but...you're a Supermod :confused:

Anway, only Super's can give them. And I'm sure some don't even know you. So keep trying on The Who's behalf. It won't help that you are a notorious e criminal, but in some quarters that may actually be a plus...

[JohnXDoe]

gotta love the ad, amirite:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9554/untitledbk6.jpg

and to give this post some meat you should know that Sirius is giving away free internet radio on the 24th and 25th which will include an apperance by PETE TOWNSHEND on the HOWARD STERN show. that ought to be wild. Pete has a good sense of humor, he is smart and qucik. Howard the same. Howards girl and Pete's girl are good friends somehow. thats how this all came about. should be good.

The Who station also play the previous nights gig in its entirety. the band is on break so no previous nights gig. but i'm sure they will have lots of good stuff from the tour, anyway...

[Ephemeral]

but...but...you're a Supermod :confused:

Anway, only Super's can give them. And I'm sure some don't even know you. So keep trying on The Who's behalf. It won't help that you are a notorious e criminal, but in some quarters that may actually be a plus...

well i think burt and i have sort of a love-hate relationship

[JohnXDoe]

ok I posted this at sputmik in the news comments section of a story someone posted. i thought it was worthy enough to report here, also:


I have heard samples from all songs on the album. Wire And Glass is included in its entirety. The record sounds great. Modern. The various internet low bandwidth streams do it no justice. Many of the songs are acoustic flavored. If you know The Who you know most of their records since Tommy were all different from one another yet ultimately still The Who. Expect no different from this album. Some of it sounds very familiar. Some of it striking in its simplicity and raw emotion. Lots of mid tempo stuff. There are experimental touches. Expect The Who, but also the unexpected. Meet the new boss, not quite the same as the old boss....

[RNR]

Sounds about right :)

[fwqhgads ²]

When's it due out again?

[Javelin]

The who is really good

[Eliminator]

Ahh..... The Who.

A young fellow, the Who is. He wanders about the forests of Teenage Wasteland ever so merrily. The days are always filled with bright hues and beautiful flowers. No, not one day with a cloud, no!

However, one fine evening the Who encountered a problem, "What am I going to wear to the annual Pumpkin Festival?!". He certainly not a clue! Soon enough, the grand old Pinball Wizard appeared in his doorway, with a gentle breeze and a stern look on his face. He spoke,

"Dear, dear Who, what are you to do?
You've got no clothes for the evening's ball
Will you ever go through?

Dear, dear who, how will we fix this soon?
A costume will be sewn with my magical magic
From the streets of Timbuktu"

And as you may expect, this made the Who very joyous, and took the Pinball Wizard by the hand and did a merry dance around the room's table. After a quick tea and toast, the wizard had to make his way to a faroff city of Qurotjendur. At the foot of the door he conjured up the costume and set it in a box. This made the Who doubleplus merry!

He put the fresh outfit on, which was a bright sort of blue with many other colors and trims, realizing out loud that this bargain was, in fact, the best he ever had. Before the night's ceremonies, The Who made a point to show this recent acquired item to his favorite cat, Not Gandalf From Lord of the Rings, and equally pleasant cat who loved to purr and roll around. It was much amused by his outfit, slyly saying,

"Why, that outfit is ****ing horrible. Did you steal it from a dead hooker?".

However odd this seemed, it did not prevent the Who from going to the night's Pumpkin Festival. He had much mead and bread, fruits and vegetables, and plenty of sweetening sweethings! Oh, how his tummy was plump and full. After stumbling home in a meading haze with some odd chunks of vomit, he finally realized..

"Didn't I read The Lord of the Rings once?"

[Seafroggys]

......okay. That was interesting.

I haven't listened to Bargain in a long time. Maybe I should put it on.

[JohnXDoe]

When's it due out again?
Oct. 30

I've listened to some samples again and I tihnk it sounds good. Advance word is good. Wire And Glass is included along with 3 songs in the middle that weren't included in the ealier release. Kind of disappointed that we won't get full versions of all those songs, although with the three new tunes thrown into the middle of the mini opera to complete it i think it'll be ok. We Got A Hit and the title cut (Endless Wire) will be included in full versions as bonus tracks, as they are to be singles. The band sounds mature. As if taking a final bow. Graceful, almost. Still explosive in places, tough in others, but thoughtful as well. I'm hoping for the best as the samples I've heard are extremely short and I know the entire songs go different places that I'm not hearing.
......okay. That was interesting.

I haven't listened to Bargain in a long time. Maybe I should put it on.
Thats a great song. I forget sometimes because its so common with Who fans, commercials, etc...

[JohnXDoe]

so The Who kick a.ss, amirite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgVoDHOCfio

lol

[Seafroggys]

yeah, Bargain and WGFA are the best tracks of Who's NExt, not counting the Deluxe Edition (where Naked Eye and Water are pretty damn good).

EDIT: due wtf is up with that cymbal angle? That drummer is pathetic.

Anybody have a youtube account to link them to a tr00 version?

[JohnXDoe]

i don't have an account. i don't think? :confused:

more My Generation covers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxzYDq2PCpY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxzYDq2PCpY&mode=related&search=

i think i actually prefer the second one more....

[JohnXDoe]

Keith Moon, actor :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2xpT0w4pcQ

and wtf is Ringo up to in this thing?

also question for seafroggys: i hear some Buddy Rich style influence in Keith's playing? Big band/swing stuff, i mean?

one man Rock Opera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNbOcYCes6s

this is pretty amusing/good. i actually watched it twice....

[Seafroggys]

I've heard sources that Keith Moon was hugely inspired to play by Louie Belleson, another top notch and great big band/swing drummer. Louie was also the first player to popularize double bass drums, and both Moon and Ginger were inspired by him to apply it to their own setups.

Yeah, his over the top fills and playing could be more jazz influenced then any other style of music at the time. Look at the rest of the rock/pop world at this time. This is pre-Paice, Bonham, Peart, etc.

[JohnXDoe]

ic. thanks for the info...

more Moon "acting":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzjIgj0MITw

:smash:

[Lunch]

If you know The Who you know most of their records since Tommy were all different from one another yet ultimately still The Who.

I feel like this should include their three albums before Tommy as well, they were very different records (although I guess A Quick One and Sell Out have some similarities) but all them made the Who the band they were.

[JohnXDoe]

Yes you are correct. I often forget to mention the early ones. And I don't listen to them often enough anymore. Although I listened to a Quick One a couple weeks ago. Which isn't reviewed for sputnik yet so I might do a real simple one for it today.

The new one sounds like The Who if they had never went away and stuff, IMO. From what I can hear and if you know what I mean? Pete has a song where his vocal is so strange. It sounds like he just relaxed and let his voice fall into a very deep tenor. And the expanded mini opera sounds like, well, a mini opera now that the other three or four songs have been added. At least from what I can gather from poorly streamed 30 second clips :-\

[rockinbass17]

I think that I'll wait for the album to be released before I listen to the recorded "Wire & Glass." I would just like to hear it in its entirety during my first listen. I have high hopes for it- when I heard what they played of it live I was really impressed. Of course, it was live, but still I was surprised of how good it was.

[robo2448]

I also plan on waiting.

[Seafroggys]

I also plan on waiting.

that's what they all say, until you get them drunk :naughty:

[fwqhgads ²]

Ah

I couldn't help myself. I've started downloading a bunch of shows to burn to DVD. I'm watching one right now..

>_>

[Seafroggys]

welll, I'm might as well post some pics from the gig. (this is in backwards order)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010564.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010563.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010556.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010553.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010552.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010551.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010546.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010541.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010540.jpg

that's just about 1/3 of the encore pics :cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010539.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010538.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010533.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010527.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010524.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010520.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010517.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010515.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010514.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010513.jpg

about 1/2 the rest

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010510.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010509.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010508.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010507.jpg

the opening act and the getting there

[Danger Bird]

Did you have Rose Hill Drive as an opening act? I thought they weren't too bad.

[Seafroggys]

yeah, I liked them actually.

[JohnXDoe]

:wave:

[JohnXDoe]

Ah

I couldn't help myself. I've started downloading a bunch of shows to burn to DVD. I'm watching one right now..

>_>
I need to get myself DVD a burner. I think I will look into that. I would love to do that stuff. I'm running out of space on both my HD's (especially C: ) so I can't really download loads of large content to store Somethings gotta give....
welll, I'm might as well post some pics from the gig. (this is in backwards order)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010564.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010563.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010556.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010553.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010552.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010551.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010546.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010541.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010540.jpg

that's just about 1/3 of the encore pics :cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010539.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010538.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010533.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010527.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010524.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010520.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010517.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010515.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010514.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010513.jpg

about 1/2 the rest

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010510.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010509.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010508.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/The%20Who/P1010507.jpg

the opening act and the getting there
those were great. if i could i'd rep you for all the effort but i can't since i recently have already. :-/

the show looks good. i hope the crowd is good. an older audience can often times be quite mellow. at least that is my experience going to see older artists. and some can be downright irritating, seemingly forgetting what a R&R gig is supposed to be about as they call the babysitters on their cell phones and keep running to the concession stands for another beer during "boring songs". we'll see....

[blue3]

so The Who kick a.ss, amirite...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgVoDHOCfio

lolomfg they rock

Nice pictures. Everyone around me seemed to be way older. Yay old people fest.

[JohnXDoe]

Yeah thats often times a thorn in my side when going to gigs by older artisits. Does this happen to all of us when we age? Hope not. Often times the crowd dosen't shout, scream, jump, or anything. No real excitement, I guess you couold say. Sort of understandable. But at least suit up and show up for the night...

...and then I've had the opposite problem (i've been to a lot of gigs) of the older folks trying to relive the glory of their f'd up youth for a couple of hours by getting too drunk or stupidly "wild" and disrupting the entire show with their moronic antics. I'm 26 so i'm sort of at an in between age. And the younger people can be stupid, too. But at least they are supposed to be. And more often then not they are really excited to be there and experience it right. So that's usually cool. Kids with their parents are usually cool to be around, as all parties seem to have a good time.

I'm going alone so I have my plans. I have an aisle seat. So if I get seated next to morons at least they will be to the right of me only and I won't be stuck between idiots. Plus I'm arriving a bit late because Nov 5th is my brother in laws birthday and we are getting together in the afternoon to celebrate with lunch, drinks, etc. So i'm literally racing to the Hollywood Bowl from Pasadena in the evening, rushing in, and taking my seat. Most likely just in time for The Who. And since I'm going alone moving down front may be an option, too. So that will be fun.

But I want no disruptions! This is THE WHO. Last time around. And I will not tolerate foolishness around me! :smash:


EDIT: yeah, those youtube vids are great. funny stuff. check out the Bell Boy one if you have time. When he goes into the Keith part its pretty amusing. And he actually does a good job with the song...

[JohnXDoe]

http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/

You know the drill. Click on Towser TV when you get there for a very good Swiss gig the band did in mid July. Full encore included. So watch it when you have time if you're going to watch the whole thing. It's looped so you never know what part you'll be coming in on.

[Seafroggys]

I tried to make it down to the front by myself but there were way too many guards on the floor.

[JohnXDoe]

I think I can do it at the Hollywood Bowl. I've been there many times and I have a way of worming my way around. :shifty:

I just finsihed watching the gig from Pete's site. I gotta recommend it. Its an outdoor gig. Cold night, great crowd. They are playing at the end of a street. Colorfully lit apartments on either side, people watching from their balconies. I enjoyed it a lot. Its mellow in the middle, but in a good way. And they do a great Naked Eye. And I love Mike Post Theme. Great song...

[fwqhgads ²]

John, were you at this show?

http://www.longliverock.org/downloads/torrents-details.php?id=280

[JohnXDoe]

no. i went to a 2004 make up gig. after the show you linked and i think a couple of others (if any) they took some time off. i saw them in Irvine when they returned and then in 2004 at the Bowl. i think that was a small tour to do some things they had to cancel in 2002. obligations and what not...

[JohnXDoe]

Endless Wire full high quality stream:

http://music.aol.com/songs/new_releases_full_cds?defaultTab=5

my review:

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=9683&page=1#lastpost

i would suggest reading the review first, as it may help you get ready for the album. don't wait. listen to the stream. its decent quality. surprisingly good for a stream. i say don't wait because as Who fans to have high expectations of this record as i didd will leave you disappointed a little. like i said, maybe start with my review. happy listening...

[rockinbass17]

Argh!!..... must....resist.....temptation......must....wait...

[fwqhgads ²]

screw that i'm listening to it right now

:badass:

[robo2448]

Yeah I'm gonna listen to it now so I can review it for my school newspaper. I don't have time to wait. Well I'll wait until tomorrow because I'm insanely tired.

[JohnXDoe]

For those who don't visit the review site, here is a news item I wrote and posted this morning:

Townshend Walks Out On Stern

Before it even started it was over. Promoting their new internet radio endeavor with a free two day preview, SIRIUS Satellite Radio this morning brought two of their major players together in Pete Townshend and Howard Stern, both of whom have exclusive stations on the channel, Stern with his daily morning show and special programming and Townshend with The Who Channel .

Arriving with surprise guest Roger Daltrey and girlfriend Rachel Fuller in tow Townshend walked out of the studio while still in the green room when Stern side kick Robin Quivers mentioned Townshend's 2002 arrest on child pornogaphy charges and went on to say he had "downloaded loads of it"and "gotten away with it", when in actuality Townshend was cleared on all charges excepting the "viewing of illegal child pornography" charge, which got him five years probation as a registered sex offender.

Fourteen of Mr. Townsehnd's computers were confiscated for the invistagation. No evidence of child pornography was found. Townshend accessed a child porn site in 1999 with his credit card while doing research for a paper he was writing on the easy availability of pornography and child pornography on the internet and its potentially damaging effects on society and the individual.

Howard Stern called the incident this morning "unfortunate" and personally apologized to Townshend on behalf of his crew. Robin Quivers also apologized saying she did not know the subject was "off limits" and was only going "by her notes." Roger Daltrey stuck around for the next hour and said Pete was completely justified in walking out and the subject could not be discussed regardless, as Townshend's probatation is still in effect. At the end of the interview Howard called himself and his staff "a bunch of stupid F*** ups", while Pete posted a blog at his website with the simple message of "Howard: Let's have lunch."

:(

[wanderer]

Here are the reasons why I was let down by the new album not including Mike Post Theme, God Spoke of Marty Robbins (In the Attic version), 2000 Years (In the Attic version).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=37J91o-GyvM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSAnHDLvkes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N03mUxdzOAs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5aadBKgetqA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4xl2RtNqOQ


Pete wasn't unfortunately able to reach this kind of excellence in songwriting with this particular record. Hopefully he will give it another shot with better result. And shoud start with getting a "outside" producer :)

[robo2448]

Stern's job is to make people feel like ****. I've always thought he was kind of an immature douche. Good on Pete for walking out on him.

[fwqhgads ²]

I hate Howard Stern. How that man has gotten where he is, is beyond me.

[fwqhgads ²]

Alright. Watching that July 1st, 2002 Hollywood Bowl show right now. It's a mix of both pro-shot footage, and some guy who can't hold a video camera. Looks like a solid show though.

[Seafroggys]

Okay, this is something that has always bothered me. Whenever they did one of John's songs live, it seems like Roger is always singing along with him. Not even singing a harmony, but singing the same notes. Gettings two singers to sing the same melody is way damn hard (harmonies are much easier, and sound much better) and occasionally they're out of tune with each other ever so slightly.

Despite that fact, though, whose decision was it so that Roger always sang? You can throw the argument that Roger didn't play an instrument so he might get bored when its not his song, but he never sings to Pete's songs.

[JohnXDoe]

Alright. Watching that July 1st, 2002 Hollywood Bowl show right now. It's a mix of both pro-shot footage, and some guy who can't hold a video camera. Looks like a solid show though.
Yeah that had to be a tough one. The Ox wasn't even in his grave yet, I don't think. They had to play the gig. They were ready. They just grabbed Pino and hoped for the best. Let us know how it turned out.

Okay, this is something that has always bothered me. Whenever they did one of John's songs live, it seems like Roger is always singing along with him. Not even singing a harmony, but singing the same notes. Gettings two singers to sing the same melody is way damn hard (harmonies are much easier, and sound much better) and occasionally they're out of tune with each other ever so slightly.

Despite that fact, though, whose decision was it so that Roger always sang? You can throw the argument that Roger didn't play an instrument so he might get bored when its not his song, but he never sings to Pete's songs.


Well he's the singer :p

And I don't here that on many of John's live tunes. He pretty much handles them alone. Toward the end his voice was shot so roger pretty much picked things up for him, but other then that on tracks like My Wife, The Quiet One, Dangerous, Twist And Shout, I hear a lot of John.

Oh, and if any of you wondered why Roger seems mellower onstage these days, seems lost, and has trouble swinging that mic (its funny when he does the "baby twirl"these days) yesterday he said he had shoulder surgery recently and its just not happening. And the "allergic to pot" thing he says he's always enjoyed weed when he has smoked it but is allergic now. Last he smoked was three years ago and said it put him "flat on his back". Back in the day he said you would smoke a joint and "start to get high". He says the new one hit stuff is "dangerous". Gramps...:mad:

[JohnXDoe]

Images of Endless Wire:

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/4058/endlesswirecoveryb6.jpg

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9528/endlesswirebackcoverqf8.jpg

[fwqhgads ²]

It was 4 days after he died. There is a memorial for him during the show, but I haven't gotten there yet. At the very beginning of the show, Pete and Roger gave eachother big hugs which was nice to see.

Also: I can't wait for Endless Wire. I have to cut down on my CD purchases though, and get a job. =(

Pete seems to be in high spirits for this show though, and even did a little comedy bit, and asked if he was in a testicle factory (refering to the balls on the roof of the bowl), and why people were smoking camomile, and why he had not had these reactions to camomile tea before. :p

[JohnXDoe]

a job :eek:

life will never be the same, jeff. try to not get banned your first day, k. :p

yeah when i went they had a video tribute during the encore. it was good. fairly minor though, tbh. i've been watching the Swiss show from the Townshend site when i get a chance. i need a DVD burner. gonna pick one up soon. and my Live In Boston DVD has come up missing. i have the case but can't find the disc, wtf? i can't imagine where it must of went :(

i had something more to say, but now i've forgotten...

[fwqhgads ²]

:( I know how you feel.

Hope you find your disc.

Also, make sure you see my edit to that post.

[fwqhgads ²]

As I type this, I'm downloading 4 more shows to go with my other 2 :):(

It's raping my bandwidth.

[JohnXDoe]

saw it. yeah, it must of been bittersweet...pete is a funny guy....

you know its funny how pepple expect bandmates to be really close. i mean obviously John was loved, but they knew each other for forty years, spent years on the road, thousands of hours making music and half a lifetime and then some working together. no one was going to fall apart about his death. these are grown men with lives and families of their own. and i think Pete and Rog saw it coming. at 55 or whaterver and with an already shaky heart you just can't be stuffing coke up your nose and sleeping with hookers ( I read he had two that night) like you used to :(

great talent lost before his time...meh, i hope he enjoyed himself...


EDIT: you gotta send me some DVD's :) :( :p

[fwqhgads ²]

Indeed. He didn't want to lose his previous lifestyle is all I guess. :(

hpmfh

[JohnXDoe]

oshi...now i remember what i was forgetting...

wanted to mention to you that at thewhotour.com you can now be an expanded member without a credit card. just sign up for the newsletter, if you haven't already. you won't get access to the message boards, but you will have access to The Who media player "Squeezebox", which features much video content of various things, including an entire 2004 MSG gig and the Quadrophenia Live DVD streamed in its entirety. also footage from throughout this tour. always something new being added.

you may get other features as part of the membership, too. so check it out. All free :)

[fwqhgads ²]

>: )

[Seafroggys]

Well he's the singer :p

And I don't here that on many of John's live tunes. He pretty much handles them alone. Toward the end his voice was shot so roger pretty much picked things up for him, but other then that on tracks like My Wife, The Quiet One, Dangerous, Twist And Shout, I hear a lot of John.

Well, listen to Heaven and Hell, the second half of each verse is dual Roger and John, wheras on the recording (yes there is a studio version) its just John. Same with Twist and Shout from Isle of Wight (but not later versions), and during Trick of the Light on the '89 tour.

Never during Boris though, or during the two Tommy songs. But it seems to be a good chunk. And there was never any double leads during Pete's parts. But your right about later on, with his voice getting shot. Its just even before then it was happening.

[rockinbass17]

Well, listen to Heaven and Hell, the second half of each verse is dual Roger and John.

I always thought so! At first I disregarded it for a little glich in my cd player, but then I realized that there had to be two people singing.

The best part on Heaven and Hell is when Roger does his quasi-vocal solo (Heaven, Heaven...Heaven and Hell) towards the beginning of the breakdown, and the rest of the band is going crazy beneath him.

[JohnXDoe]

Here is the entire Howard Stern/Pete Townshend fiasco I posted news of on the previous page. They mention the crap two minutes in, go to some other stuff, mention more Pete crap, and then Roger comes on and the thing gets going. The entire thing is one hour eleven minutes and well worth your time to listen as you sit at your computer. Or whatever.. And if nothing else Roger is very entertaining.

http://media.putfile.com/ou-HS-

[fwqhgads ²]

Ugh. That's just disgusting. That girl who brought it up is just really stupid. It shows throughout the entire thing.

Even when Roger is trying to talk to them, they are still cracking jokes to eachother back and forth about Pete. It's just disgusting.

I love how Roger says "Yes, I'm here." The tone is excellent.

[JohnXDoe]

The Who board is proving to be pretty entertaining over at the fan site. Its pretty straight over there. They don't lol or anything. Some great fans over there. And if anything Who related happens that board knows first. Really. Lots of info. I'm bringing some MX style shi.t to them. Today I pwnd some a-hole. He wrote an "Open Letter" to Pete Townshend. Read what he wrote. Dummy:

Zoom if you can't see it. The page is restricted to link. Or something...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2554/untitled0991tp2.jpg :lol:

They really don't do that stuff over there. Funny. No one says anything though, so thats cool...

[Jeremy Walpole]

That user is a newbie!