The Who

[Seafroggys]

i got Quad for christmas, and even though it is a damn fine album, I don't feel like its edgy or rocky enough, its too smooth and produced. I still think Tommy is the best. Any other thoughts on this?

Even though the PUnk and the Godfather is a kickass song.

[Lunch]

i got Quad for christmas, and even though it is a damn fine album, I don't feel like its edgy or rocky enough, its too smooth and produced. I still think Tommy is the best. Any other thoughts on this?

Even though the PUnk and the Godfather is a kickass song.

The "over-producing" on Quadrophenia gets annoying to me sometimes, I just feel like they refine it too much or that there is too much going on. I wouldn't say that it wasn't rocky enough though, some of their hardest rockers are on Quadrophenia. The Real Me, Punk and the Godfather, I've Had Enough, Dr. Jimmy, and Love Reign O'Er me are all classic rocking Who.

[JohnXDoe]

i got Quad for christmas, and even though it is a damn fine album, I don't feel like its edgy or rocky enough, its too smooth and produced. I still think Tommy is the best. Any other thoughts on this?


Even though the PUnk and the Godfather is a kickass song.
^^Hmm. I've never heard Quad as smooth or overproduced. I've always felt it was raw and rockin' and explosive. For those who feel like that, though, a version of it was remixed by Enwhistle for the soundtrack to the film. Many feel this is the definitive version, as Entwhistle cleans things up and cuts down the fat. Leaner sound altogether. Although I'm not sure if it has ever been made available digitally.
Sorry to hurt your feelings
:smash: <-----me
:upset: <------ you

[zabbit82]

i got Quad for christmas, and even though it is a damn fine album, I don't feel like its edgy or rocky enough, its too smooth and produced. I still think Tommy is the best. Any other thoughts on this?

Even though the PUnk and the Godfather is a kickass song.

Quadrophenia > Tommy

But that's just me. I was brought up on Quadrophenia and Who's Next.

And I just got The Who by Numbers and Live At The Isle of Wight yesterday :)

[JohnXDoe]

Quadrophenia > Tommy

But that's just me.
You and every other true Who fan.


/starts controversy. Prepares for war. :angry:

[zabbit82]

Well my dad always used to play that more when I was little, so that grew on me. Tommy is good also, but I dont have that one. My dad does, but out of personal preference, I prefer Quad. I'm a hardcore Zep fan, so The Who aren't really my trump cards for debate.

[JohnXDoe]

^^Yeah. I don't debate this stuff, either. I'm just trying to take the piss outta Lunch because I want his shiny new book. :smash:

[Lunch]

^^Yeah. I don't debate this stuff, either. I'm just trying to take the piss outta Lunch because I want his shiny new book. :smash:

Sorry I couldn't read what you were saying because I was busy reading MY BRAND NEW DEFINITIVE WHO BOOK THAT YOU DON'T OWN.

[Seafroggys]

haha pure ownage

it would have been nice to get the tommy/quad DVD, as I've always wanted to see live Tommy in its entirety. How does the '89 show compare to like, for example, the Woodstock footage from TKAA?

[Lunch]

It's alittle over the top, I definitely prefer the four core members performing it. The 1989 is a lot more theatrical because of how many people they have and how they put the show on. And it's got a little bit of that cheesey 80's-ness. Overall however, it's still Daltrey, Townshend and Entwistle, and it's still Tommy, so it's pretty good.

[JohnXDoe]

How does the '89 show compare to like, for example, the Woodstock footage from TKAA?
Like apples and oranges, basically....

....but it's still the Who. And the Woodstock stuff kinda sucks.


EDIT: I find the '89 shows go for an album kind of experiance. The horns and synths and back up singers and percussionist lend it that feel and sound. The Woodstock stuff? Well, I don't have to tell you about that....

[PinkFreud]

yeah, they hated their woodstock performance. daltrey's voice is off in "see me, feel me."

you know what song is awesome? "eminence front". overlooked too because its post-moon.

[Lunch]

Entwistle's bass is really great on the chorus. I really dig that song in general.

[temporary]

haha pure ownage

it would have been nice to get the tommy/quad DVD, as I've always wanted to see live Tommy in its entirety. How does the '89 show compare to like, for example, the Woodstock footage from TKAA?

I haven't seen TKAA (I know I need to,) but I think the best way to go would be with Isle of Wite. I know they cut a few tracks, but if I remember corectly they're just minor ones. The Tommy part of the DVD is definitly the weakest part, but it works in some places. The Quad/Live Hits part is awesome, though. I love the version of Can't Explain from the '96 encore.

[JohnXDoe]

yeah, they hated their woodstock performance. daltrey's voice is off in "see me, feel me."

you know what song is awesome? "eminence front". overlooked too because its post-moon.
Eminence Front is a standout track. The Who actually had some good post Moon songs and performances on record. However spotty. You Better You Bet, Don't Let Go The Coat, You, and especially Another Tricky Day (a Who classic) are all very solid cuts from Face Dances. And Daily Records, too. From "It's Hard" Cry If You Want, Dangerous, Eminence Front, and One At A Time all get the job done. Athena isn't bad, either. The rest is pretty much crap, though.

And I can never mention this period of the Who's career without mentioning Pete's solo albums of the same time. Empty Glass is clearly a Who album, and had it been performed by them it would of been right up there with the best Who albums, and a new beginning for the band after Moons death. This album came out right after Face Dances. And again with It's Hard, Townshends solo album of the same year "All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes" would of made a great Who album. As they are I consider them Who albums by default, and they are a big part of the way I got into the Who. These albums would of seeing them go out with a bang instead of a whimper. I blame Roger for this. But Pete as well. Dumb bastards....

Whatever the case, it's all long been said and done. But for any of you who might wonder where exactly the Who's greatnesss disappeared to during the Kenny Jones years, don't blame the drummer!! It's all there. In spades, and as good as ever. It just can't be found on Who albums. You have to look to the Creator for it. The One. The All Knowing.....

.....which means Pete, of course. So check out those solo albums. You will be amazed....

[JohnnySixGuns]

This forum has a Who board! Cool. Hope you regulars don't mind a new guy posting here. I love this band. It's good to see a forum where others do, too. I've read some posts and you guys seem to know your stuff. Great first article, and I just want to say I also agree with JXD about the Pete solo albums. A real missed opportunity for the Who.

I hope to post here as often as I can.

[Lunch]

See Me, Feel Me better at Woodstock than at Leeds? No way.

Kenney Jones gets a lot of blame for things he isn't responsible for.

[baba 'O bubba]

Nice Who board here. Hope you have room for another member. And just to confirm what another member had posted, here is a link confirming a Who project and tour for next year. Sounds like they are going to freshen up things some. I'm looking forward to it:

http://www.livedaily.com/news/The_Who_to_tour_in_2006
_Townshend_says-9382.html?t=98

[Lunch]

Always good to have another poster here, especially since this thread lacks heavy traffic.

I've seen multiple sites confirming the 2006 tour, now I can't wait for the dates to be posted.

[zabbit82]

Hey Lunch, what would you rate Face Dances? I listened to it on vynal on my dad's record player a while ago. You Better You Bet is one of my favorite Who tracks, but I felt the rest of it to be really poppy. It would be cool if I had your opinion anyway...

[JohnXDoe]

^^Don't ask Lunch. He knows crap about the Who.

Face Dances is an even 7/10. No more, no less.

[zabbit82]

Well I know he is a hardcore Who fan, just as I am a hardcore Zep fan. But I'll also take your advice on this one.

[Dragon_Prince]

2006 is gonna be a good year =D
The Who, Radiohead, David Gilmour(still need to get tickets), Deep Purple and maybe Genesis :| Ow yes and RHCP :P

there goes my money

[clown_phobia]

Hey Lunch, what would you rate Face Dances? I listened to it on vynal on my dad's record player a while ago. You Better You Bet is one of my favorite Who tracks, but I felt the rest of it to be really poppy. It would be cool if I had your opinion anyway...

I like that song a lot (you better you bet). I also like squeeze box :P

[wanderer]

I would give Face Dances 10/10 if it didn't have YBYB.....
Almost perfect POP reccord...

[PinkFreud]

I like that song a lot (you better you bet). I also like squeeze box :P
bleh. i hate squeeze box but i love the album its on. the who by numbers all the way!

[MidnightRider]

I've always liked Squeeze Box, perhaps because I'm extremely immature. The only Who albums I have are Live at Leeds, Then and Now(compilation), and Tommy. What is Quadrophenia like compared to their other work, sound-wise?

[Dragon_Prince]

I've always liked Squeeze Box, perhaps because I'm extremely immature. The only Who albums I have are Live at Leeds, Then and Now(compilation), and Tommy. What is Quadrophenia like compared to their other work, sound-wise?

Great I recommend Quadrophnia and Who's Next :)

[Seafroggys]

See Me, Feel Me better at Woodstock than at Leeds? No way.

Kenney Jones gets a lot of blame for things he isn't responsible for.

live at leeds is a better version? hot damn I have to hear that, I think the woodstock see me feel me completly rocks.

[temporary]

2006 is gonna be a good year =D
The Who, Radiohead, David Gilmour(still need to get tickets), Deep Purple and maybe Genesis :| Ow yes and RHCP :P

there goes my money

Is DP touring America?

bleh. i hate squeeze box but i love the album its on. the who by numbers all the way!

Meh, I have to admit I like that song. Theres some better ones on the album (Dreaming From The Wast, anyone?)

[PinkFreud]

live at leeds is a better version? hot damn I have to hear that, I think the woodstock see me feel me completly rocks.
yeah man. woodstock's version is all out of tune. it hurts my ears sometimes. its good but its not great. live at leeds' version is great.

dreaming from the waist has some of entwistle's best playing.

[Lunch]

yeah man. woodstock's version is all out of tune. it hurts my ears sometimes. its good but its not great. live at leeds' version is great.

dreaming from the waist has some of entwistle's best playing.

The LaL version is stunning. And Entwistle shines on all the extra bonus tracks they added on Who By Numbers especially Dreaming from the Waist.
^^Don't ask Lunch. He knows crap about the Who.

Face Dances is an even 7/10. No more, no less.

Looks like someone still has book envy:p

[baba 'O bubba]

I really like The Who By Numbers. Great underrated album. Coming after three classics and Live at Leeds I'm sure at the time it must of sounded average. But it's really The Who in stripped down form and rockin' along. And yes, Squeeze Box is a gas. I read that Townshend was horrified that the band chose Squeeze Box to record, and even more horrified when it became a top 5 hit in America. But it's a nice little ditty, anyway. And I agree with the above poster about the bonus tracks on the new releases of the album. Excellent live stuff there.

[Seafroggys]

i like the bonus tracks on Who's Next almost more then the album itself.....Baby Don't You Do it, Water, Naked Eye, all supurb songs

[zabbit82]

I really like The Who By Numbers. Great underrated album.

I just got that album for Christmas. Its really great, and true its underrated. What I'm really impressed about is how the group channeled all thier problems (mostly Pete) onto record and how great it sounds.

I would give Face Dances 10/10 if it didn't have YBYB.....
Almost perfect POP reccord...

Cool, although I think YBYB is really a POP song within itself. Recommendations from anyone - should I get that album?

[robo2448]

I was the original The Who By Numbers whore around here. Great album. I think my favorite song from it is How Many Friends. The live version of Dreaming From the Waist is much better than the studio version. I like Squeeze Box, but it's not an amazing song.

I don't have Facedances, but I've heard most of the songs and they're pretty good, but it's poppier than anything The Who did.

I like the Woodstock version of See Me, Feel Me a lot, but still prefer LAL. Anyone who doesn't own LAL should go buy it. Now. Be sure to get the deluxe edition though with the Tommy performance. So much better than the regular release.

I want a book on the Who.

[Jacob6293]

Doesn't The Who do the theme song for the CSI tv show?

[baba 'O bubba]

Doesn't The Who do the theme song for the CSI tv show?
Well, they don't do it for it. The show uses a couple of Who songs for intros and end credits, though.

[Lunch]

I want a book on the Who.

Yea, I have two, no big deal....

The Dave Marsh biography (Before I Get Old) is good, especially if you want to hear someone constantly own the Who. He really cuts them no slack and at some parts it gets almost annoying, but overall it's very good and insightful. Then I got the coffee table Who book which is just cool.

[zabbit82]

Doesn't The Who do the theme song for the CSI tv show?

If my memory serves me correct, the songs used to be (at different times) Baba O'Riley, Wont Get Fooled Again, and Who Are You.

[JohnXDoe]

*I was the original The Who By Numbers whore around here. Great album. I think my favorite song from it is How Many Friends. The live version of Dreaming From the Waist is much better than the studio version. I like Squeeze Box, but it's not an amazing song.

I don't have Facedances, but I've heard most of the songs and they're pretty good, but it's poppier than anything The Who did.
*coughs*.....coughs a little more* :p



I've never heard Face Dances as poppy. The production is spare, and it's not as, well, ok, it is a bit poppy. But the Who were never a stranger to pop, as much of pre Tommy era Who bears out well. Classics such as The Kids Are Alright, I'm a Boy, and I Can't Explain are among them.

[Lunch]

Yea, we can't forget about their whole "Pop art" thing.

[JohnXDoe]

Yea, we can't forget about their whole "Pop art" thing.
Pete was practically married to it. He was an art student, as you know. Took it quite seriously. Led to the whole mod thing, too. I think the band has always been the better for it.

[baba 'O bubba]

Hey guys, since you guys seem to know your stuff around here, can one of you please go to the Def Leppard thread and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? I don't want to get into any trouble being so new, but my posting has come under fire there. I think I've expained myself pretty well and of course I don't expect some to be pleased with what I say, but I'm being told what I'm saying is inappropriate and wrong although it's no different then what some starred members have said. Can someone please explain this a little. Thanks.

[Lunch]

I was actually going to post how funny it was that the Who fans were the ones saying how bad Def Leppard is.

Basically, I don't really see anything wrong with your posting. When John did a similar thing he doesn't get attacked for it because he has a high postcount and stars. People figure that since you just joined and have 22 posts that you don't know anything and are just being a douche for the hell of it. Clearly, that is not you.

In the future, I just wouldn't go into threads and make statements like "Worst rock band ever", because as you've seen, people get angry over that. Even if you do justify it. I find it's better just to leave it alone.

[JohnXDoe]

^^I'm 100% with Lunch on this one. As would most others be.

I'm not going to bring this sort of thing into this thread, but I can tell you your posting is not wrong or inappropriate in that thread. In this one it would not be tolerated and it would be pointless, but in that thread it is fine. Your explanations were also reasonable. I wouldn't of even done that much.

This is the way MX goes with new people. It'll stop after awhile. Don't worry about it and keep posting.

[zabbit82]

Hey guys, since you guys seem to know your stuff around here, can one of you please go to the Def Leppard thread and tell me if I'm doing anything wrong? I don't want to get into any trouble being so new, but my posting has come under fire there. I think I've expained myself pretty well and of course I don't expect some to be pleased with what I say, but I'm being told what I'm saying is inappropriate and wrong although it's no different then what some starred members have said. Can someone please explain this a little. Thanks.

All I can say to you man is just be humble about everything. I'm about as new as you, so... just take it easy man...

[JohnXDoe]

^^This is also sound advice. Just to make things more comfortable at first. We've all gone through it. :rolleyes:

[Lunch]

It's kind of like an initiation ritual. You have to earn your respect around these parts.

Back to the pop art thing, I was never really big into the idea (but he's Pete Townshend and can do anything he wants, so I don't have much beef here), but I don't feel that their music at the time reflected the "pop art" concept. Maybe at the time it did but when you look back on it just because they were releasing 3-minute songs doesn't mean it was all radio pop. Even on A Quick One, the songs are far from what I think of as 60's pop. The Sell Out album was the final mocking of the radio song idea (though also a tribute to the pirate radio in Britian).

[JohnXDoe]

^^Well yeah, musically speaking the Who were never a pop band. They were always a rock band. It's just that it had been mentioned that Face Dances was "too pop" and that took me back a bit. Because pop has always been a thing they have done to one extent or other.

And you are right, I don't think Pete's art leanings influenced the Who's music very much. Or that the music conveyed a pop art concept. But I feel it lent the band a style and image that has served it well. It somehow set them apart from the average rock band and helped them become an above average rock band at the time. Or at least give them the air of one. Let's not forget the fashion and style that was so important to them at the time. Yes it was common mod, but the Who made more out of it. Got creative with it. Carved out there own niche with it. And I think they were and stil are somewhat different (in a good way) because of it. And it's Pete's time spent in art scholl that made this possible, IMO.

[Lunch]

Yea the fashion was definitely key, because as you said it gave the Who a stronger identity. And the "pop art" idea definitely didn't have a negative effect on the group.

[baba 'O bubba]

Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll take it until I'm a little more common around here.

It's nice this thread is here. As a hardcore Who fan I should know better then clicking on anytihng that says Def Leppard, anyway.

And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).

[Lunch]

And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).

Ha, yea, during this whole conversation I've been thinking about Pete in his British Flag blazer.

[robo2448]

*coughs*.....coughs a little more* :p



I've never heard Face Dances as poppy. The production is spare, and it's not as, well, ok, it is a bit poppy. But the Who were never a stranger to pop, as much of pre Tommy era Who bears out well. Classics such as The Kids Are Alright, I'm a Boy, and I Can't Explain are among them.


*coughs* join date *coughs a little more*:p

I remember way back when this thread started, I was calling it The Who By the Numbers and you corrected me:p Always thought there was a "the" there for some reason.

Well yeah the Who never strayed that far from pop, and a lot of The Who Sell Out is psychadelic pop but Face Dances is a different sound compared to the arena rock sound they had developed in previous albums. From what I've heard from it, Facedances is better than the albums right before and after it (Who Are You and It's Hard).

And Def Leppard blows.

It's good to see some new intelligent users joining recently. We had a little bit of a dry spell.

Edit- 3000th post. w00t. Party:chug:

[Lunch]

It would be great to keep this Who thread active.

[baba 'O bubba]

Ha, yea, during this whole conversation I've been thinking about Pete in his British Flag blazer.
Yes! And look at this (http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/650/6e764yy.jpg) pic.

Quite the sharply dressed young lads. Oh, and I've just been called a troll in the Def Leppard thread by the TS. I'm not going to respond and just move on. It's silly.

[Lunch]

Yes! And look at this (http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/650/6e764yy.jpg) pic.

Quite the sharply dressed young lads. Oh, and I've just been called a troll in the Def Leppard thread by the TS. I'm not going to respond and just move on. It's silly.

It looks like Pete sole John's shirt:p

Yea, don't respond, it's just a Def Leppard thread anyway. Nothing important.

[JohnXDoe]

*coughs* join date *coughs a little more*:p

I remember way back when this thread started, I was calling it The Who By the Numbers and you corrected me:p Always thought there was a "the" there for some reason.

Well yeah the Who never strayed that far from pop, and a lot of The Who Sell Out is psychadelic pop but Face Dances is a different sound compared to the arena rock sound they had developed in previous albums. From what I've heard from it, Facedances is better than the albums right before and after it (Who Are You and It's Hard).

And Def Leppard blows.

It's good to see some new intelligent users joining recently. We had a little bit of a dry spell.

Edit- 3000th post. w00t. Party:chug:
Hey, nice going on 3000. I also posted my 5000th here. This thread really has been the highlight for me since coming to MX.

And you are dead on when you say Face Dances is better then the albums which came before and after it. Although for the real deal, pick up Townshends solo albums of the same period. Empty Glass and All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes, respectively. I may feel a sputnik review coming on for one of those....
It would be great to keep this Who thread active.
I think it's always done well, Lunch. And you hold down the fort and keep it respected and respectable. Kudos for that.

[Lunch]

I've always counted on you to keep it alive, which you've done, obviously.

I really should actually own Face Dances.

[JohnXDoe]

I've always counted on you to keep it alive, which you've done, obviously.

I really should actually own Face Dances.
Ah, thanks man. I do it out of the love for this band. And although it can get slow at times, it always comes back around. And with exciting new Who stuff going on this year, I'm sure we will see more discussion and perhaps even some healthy debate.

And yes, Face Dances is worth owning. For "Another Tricky Day" alone. John also has a couple of nice contributions, and to tell you the truth it's not a bad album at all. It's actually good. In an okay sort of way. I'm sure you have heard it. Different for The Who at the time, and that might throw some people off. But all in all a good effort and listen. Although a couple of songs are dead clunkers.

[PremierManiac]

And yes, they were stylish lads, weren't they? (The Who, I mean).
Being stylish and up to date was a very important was a very important part of being a mod. They were cast out if they didn't have the latest fashions.

[Lunch]

I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.

[temporary]

I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.

I know, this year has a bunch of great tours happening. They were great at Live 8, and so my hopes are sky high.

[JohnXDoe]

I think they will be better then they have been recently. Not that they haven't been fantastic. But the death of John took something out of them on the tour following it and although they have played some great gigs since then, even a player like Pino Palladino has to settle in.

That said, they will never be quite the same band live with Keith and John gone, but they are still a great live band. And if you have read what I've posted recently or have read Pete's diary at his site, it sounds like they have some interesting things planned for the shows. He is being vague about what that is, but at the age he and Roger are at they can use a bit of help, I think. They have the band to back them, know I think they can go for a bit of presentation.

I know except for lasars in the seventies the Who have always had a stripped down live show. Pretty much no frills. Save for their live Tommy and Quad tours. Those were different altogether. But I think a bit of a light show and maybe some generous onstage screens and effects might be in order for the upcoming tour. Something to raise the drama level. The Who were always known for being naturally dramatic in song and performance. But time past and the death of a couple of members have taken some of that drama away. They are a different band, somewhat. So I think a somewhat different live approach is in order.

Lately it's been stripped down and basic. Which is great. But with new stuff in the works (not just music, according to Pete. And perhaps even letting fans record bootleg audio/video of the gigs) it would seem a great opportunity to sort of do something a little creative onstage so far as presentation. What do you guys think?

[Lunch]

I think that would be a good idea, especially if I was at the show.

[JohnXDoe]

^Yeah....with your BOOK. :angry:

[Lunch]

^Yeah....with your BOOK. :angry:

Nah, it's so huge that I probably couldn't fit it in the car, much less carry it around.

[robo2448]

They completely owned at Live 8. Even without John and Keith, I'll pay a lot to see them live. I can't wait until the tickets go on sale, which won't be for a while. Nobody can replace John and Keith but Pino and Zak are very talented players and do a good job.

[pigonthewing82]

I really can't wait for their tour this year. I wish they would release the dates.

Oh I know ever since I heard I've been pumped. Though John and Keith will be GREATLY missed I'm sure they can pull it off. Daltrey still has his voice (for a man of his age). Today in the paper there was an artical where Pete Townsend said to be careful while listening to ipods because with their loud volume they can damage your ears like his are. He said his are so bad he has to take 36 hour breaks between recording sessions or his ears will hurt too much. I guess being the worlds loudest sound has its drawbacks

[JohnXDoe]

The Who? Yup, they suck!

[Maggot Dream]

I can't wait for them to announce tour dates. I saw them a couple years ago, by far the best show I've ever seen. I'd love to hear some new material. As much as I love their old stuff, I think it would be very interesting to see how they present their new stuff live. Obviously, live performance has always been a huge part of the Who's fame (and rightfully so), so some new stuff would kind of show how they've matured in my opinion.

I think the band has also matured musically, ability-wise. Take a look at Pete's guitar lines from the 70's compared to his recent live shows (Live 8, etc.). Not only has he added to his style, but I think his technical ability has improved as well. As for Roger, I think he's one of the few vocalists who has aged very well. His voice still sounds great, and while it doesn't have quite as much of the "badass" quality as it did in his prime, he still manages to hit most of the notes well and make them sound great.

As soon as they release dates, I'll be there. No way I'm missing them after what I saw on the last tour.

[JohnXDoe]

I would also like to hear new stuff, And I wouldn't mind if they put much of the 60's stuff away, either. They sound a bit disinterested when performing those songs at times. My Generation, ok. But I Can't Explain. Anyway Anyhow, Anywhere, Substitute, The Kids Are Alright, etc? I can do without hearing those one more time. Pete is planning some stuff with their long time manager and he says the tour will not only revolve around some new material, but other stuff, too. He says it was Bill's idea. He says he would like to have thirty songs ready to go for a new album, but that isn't realistic. He also says he doesn't give a fuc.k if people tell him the new songs sound like "Broadway show tunes" or if they won't suit radio. He's in it for himself and the fans and fuc.k all else. Gotta love Pete...

[baba 'O bubba]

I agree with the live thing all the way. I saw the Who last they played the Hollywood Bowl, and although explosive, they are not quite as compelling musically as they used to be.

I also recently picked up the Live in Boston DVD, which was recorded near the end of 2002. With a small stage, dark clothing (perhaps in memory of John) and spare lighting, the entire visual effect was one of starkness. It's not so bad that Townshend doesn't leap around much anymore (he still windmills) or Roger is more relaxed and stationary. They still put there hearts into it. But on older songs (such as Substitute and I Can't Explain) John is sorely missed. And of course all Who songs are "older". But I'm sure you know what I mean.

The thunder that was once there for those songs is missing. As well as on Baba 'O Riley and other songs where John's bass used to lead the way. And of course doing My Wife, The Real Me, and Trick Of The Light, among others, is out of the question.

So with Pete in his early sixties and Roger nearing 65, I think they can use a bit of help about now. I say if they are going in for another round they should make the most they can out of it. Bring the lights, bring the lasers, bring the onstage digital video screens, rear projection, the whole thing. And turn up the new bass players amp a bit.

But if not, I'll be there anyway. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

[wanderer]

Pino will be playing bass so there's go change for good bass... (amazing bass player but clearly shouldn't be on stage with them)

Playing John's songs is excatly what they should do. Would actaully bring some variation to their **** boring setlist and they are far too good songs to just collect dust. Since Simon is playing with them ,he could easily sing John's tunes like 'Trick Of The Light/Succes story/Whiskey Man/When I was a Boy/Quiet One'.

However if anyone here has downloaded the video from alt.music.who where Pete is just alone playing acoustic guitar and singing 'God speaks of Marty Robbins' (played Dec 2005 during WhoTV Special) song. It's quite clear that kind of show would much better and more interesting than any "Who" show.

[JohnXDoe]

^^Since John's death things have gotten more pedictable with them onstage. The set list seems to go something like this: "Oldies up top for the first four or five songs (maybe throw in Who Are You as an opener to get things off to a big start), Another Tricky Day and early seventies stuff, a Quad trio (always the same three songs these days) a couple more oldies, Won't Get Fooled Again, and then an encore of Tommy tunes. And the songs never change. Nor the order in which they are played for the most part.

Ok, nothing wrong with that, most bands do that, as a matter of fact. But as much as I love the Who it must be said, these are old guys playing old songs. And sometimes they sound like it. So when they come next I would like to see a change in the setlist and in it's structure to freshen things up. I don't care if they do the same songs night after night. Let's just get some brand new stuff in there as well as different Who songs then they have been playing since John died. They have a vast catalogue and I would like them to choose different songs to play from it. Even some of Pete's solo stuff would be welcome. And the band would sound great playing it. And a bit of presentation would help, too.

I don't think they should play John's songs, though. Simply because he's not here to do them and they don't really need to....

[temporary]

I would also like to hear new stuff, And I wouldn't mind if they put much of the 60's stuff away, either. They sound a bit disinterested when performing those songs at times. My Generation, ok. But I Can't Explain. Anyway Anyhow, Anywhere, Substitute, The Kids Are Alright, etc? I can do without hearing those one more time. Pete is planning some stuff with their long time manager and he says the tour will not only revolve around some new material, but other stuff, too. He says it was Bill's idea. He says he would like to have thirty songs ready to go for a new album, but that isn't realistic. He also says he doesn't give a fuc.k if people tell him the new songs sound like "Broadway show tunes" or if they won't suit radio. He's in it for himself and the fans and fuc.k all else. Gotta love Pete...

Actually, if they didn't play those I'd be very dissapointed (exceptent Anyway... I really don't like that, although the chorus is a helluva catchy one.) Honestly, this being my first time I'll see The Who, I wouldn't mind a setlist similar to the one you're talking about farther down on the page.

On this topic, what would everyones "dream The Who set" be? Heres mine:

I Can't Explain
My Generation
Bargain
The Real Me
Dreaming From the Waist
Substitute
I'm Free
The Seeker
5'15
Summertime Blues
The Kids Are Alright
Baba O'Riley
Emminence Front
Join Together
Love Reign O're Me

Encore:
Behind Blue Eyes
Who Are You
Long Live Rock
Won't Get Fooled Again
We're No Gonna Take It

Something along those lines, although that ones far from perfect.

[JohnXDoe]

^^Now you see, if they could throw several of those into the mix, we might be in business. Fun idea to do this, too. I'll post mine later, as I'm busy right now.


EDIT: I'm tired of them doing the "We're Not Gonna Take It" thing at the end of shows...

[Maggot Dream]

I'd be happy if they played Amazing Journey/Sparks in the fashion of the Live at Leeds version. That's always been one of my favorite live Who cuts.

[JohnXDoe]

On this topic, what would everyones "dream The Who set" be?
Alright, here's mine:

Baba 'O Riley (performed like they used to do it with John before they added keyboards. Just a really loud bass intro and then Pete smashing down on the guitar. The keyboards can come with the guitar, too. This would be after the first verse. And with great lighting and stage effects. Great opener).
I Can See For Miles
Substitute
Long Live Rock
The Seeker
Another Tricky Day
Who Are You
A brand new song...
Let My Love Open The Door (Pete solo tune. Played by the band, but sung by Pete)
Bargin
Sea And Sand
A brand new song...
Eminence Front
Rough Boys (Pete solo tune, sung by Roger)
Pinball Wizard
Sparks
My Generation
Twist and Shout (super old school Who) :)

ENCORE:

A really good new song...
Naked Eye
Won't Get Fooled Again

And that's pretty much what I would like to hear at a Who gig. Now if they would just do it! :smash:

[pigonthewing82]

I would love to hear the Who do a cover of Kick Out the Jams. Out of any band I think the Who could cover it best. It would be great if John and Keith were around to do it, their contributions the the song would have been incrediable.

[Lunch]

My dream set list is basically impossible for me to think about. I'd like the concert to be like 3 days long.

But to give it go just for the hell of it:
Heaven and Hell
Baba O'Riley
Young Man Blues
Substitute
Tatoo
Armenia, City in the Sky
Bargain
Rael
Overture>It's a Boy
Amazing Journey>Sparks
Acid Queen
Go to the Mirror Boy
We're Not Gonna Take It
Shakin' All Over You
Dreaming From the Waist
Eminence Front
The Seeker
Naked Eye
The Real Me
5:15
Love Reign O'er Me
A Quick One
Won't Get Fooled Again

Encore: My Generation (including instrument smashing).

Edit: If I saw them perform this I would probably die afterword, knowing there was nothing left to live for.

[pigonthewing82]

Today I got The Who live at the Royal Albert Hall 2000 and it is great. It was the last time they preformed with John I think. His bass solo in 515 is one of his finest moments I would recommend this cd to any Who fan. There are also extra lyrics to The Kids are Allright that I like a lot they are:

When i wrote this song
I was nothing but a kid
Trying to put a right or wrong
To all the things I did
I was kind of pracitcing with my life
I was taking chances in a marraige with my wife
I took some stuff and drank some booze
There was almost nothing I didn't try to use
And some how I'm alive
I don't know how I'm allright
I shouldn't be but you know I'm allright
And I look at my kids and there all right
What can ever be wrong with kids
Nothing wrong with my kids
Nothing wrong with your kids
So unlucky or lucky well the kids there ok now
So stay lucky be lucky make sure you stay that way
Because the kids are allright

I thought they were cool because well most of the Who's songs are about the youth at that time, and now it's updated so those of the Who's generation can still identify with the song, even though they arn't young anymore.

[PremierManiac]

Encore: My Generation (including instrument smashing).

Don't forget exploding bass drums.

Anybody have an idea of when the tour dates will be released? I've done a little hunting, but not much.

[Dragon_Prince]

Mhm hard one

I can't explain
Heaven And Hell
Substitute
5:15
The Punk And The Godfather
The Magic Bus
Happy Jack
Bargain
Who Are You
Pinball Wizard
Helpless Dancer
You Better You Bet
Face To Face(Pete solo song it's great)
The Real Me
Pinball Wizard
My Generation
Getting In Tune
Behind Blue Eyes
Love Reign O'er Me

Encore
Baba O' Riley
Won't Get Fooled Again
We're Not Gonna Take it

and offcourse some new songs in it

[JohnXDoe]

Lunch, I am disappointed in your setlist. Please try again. :p


"three days long", lol...

[Lunch]

Lunch, I am disappointed in your setlist. Please try again. :p


"three days long", lol...

Do not make me resort to the book again. Just because I'm not a whore for Pete's solo career.

[PinkFreud]

yeah that royal albert hall dvd is great.

john, offtopic but would you mind sending me some x?

[JohnXDoe]

Do not make me resort to the book again. Just because I'm not a whore for Pete's solo career.
Yeah well, at least I'm not a slut for a deaf, dumb, and blind kid with a messiah complex. :smash:
john, offtopic but would you mind sending me some x?
No problem. How would we do this? I've never sent files over messenger before or used yousendit. So you can clue me in. I have the first four classic albums (the fourth of which is about four songs shy of complete) and also See How We Are. Which is a good album, but is post Billy Zoom. So it's different. Someone once described X as a punk band that is kind of rootsy. See How We Are was described by that same person as a roots album that's kind of punky. That sums it up pretty well.

[Lunch]

Yeah well, at least I'm not a slut for a deaf, dumb, and blind kid with a messiah complex. :smash:

Same thing about you being a slut for a crazy guy with a mod complex.

/goes back to reading book.

[PinkFreud]

No problem. How would we do this? I've never sent files over messenger before or used yousendit. So you can clue me in. I have the first four classic albums (the fourth of which is about four songs shy of complete) and also See How We Are. Which is a good album, but is post Billy Zoom. So it's different. Someone once described X as a punk band that is kind of rootsy. See How We Are was described by that same person as a roots album that's kind of punky. That sums it up pretty well.
if you want to go by yousendit, you right click the album's folder and click add to zip file. if you don't have winzip or winrar you can download it. once it's zipped, go to www.yousendit.com and browse for that zip or rar file.

or just contact me next time you see me on aim. i can wait. thanks man.

[temporary]

Wow, I just saw a video of the orginal Smothers Brothers performance were The Who firsted smashed instruments at the end of My Generation (when Pete lost his hearing in one of his ears.) The look on John's face while Pete and Keith are going crazy and breaking everything is priceless. YouTube is a great site.

[Lunch]

I like to watch John anyway, cause he always looks so uninterested in what's going on. He's like, "Yea, I'm awesome. No big deal."

And his stage costumes are cool. Like the skeleton one.

[JohnXDoe]

That was out of control. I think I do see fear and dismay for a second or two. And then they just continue smashing every last thing. It really is kind if strange to watch. On 30 Years Of Maximum R&B Live they show it in slow motion. The force of the blast actually blows Towmshends hair around. Messes it up good. It's stupendous. Moon was an idiot!

[pigonthewing82]

I thought when that drum blew up that was one of the best moments in stage antics history.

[temporary]

I like to watch John anyway, cause he always looks so uninterested in what's going on. He's like, "Yea, I'm awesome. No big deal."

And his stage costumes are cool. Like the skeleton one.

As far as I'm concerned, Entwistle has jus as much stage precence as the rest. He makes his insane bass improv look like a tiny warmup (unless you look at his hands...)

[Lunch]

The bass drum explosion is classic.

Entwislte's stage presence might seem boring, unless you watch his hands. Then it's amazing to watch him.

[JohnXDoe]

Hey guys. I just changed my music service to Rhapsody and it's much better then Musicmatch, which I had been using before. And it beats Napster by a mile. So if any of you use a music service, check it out.

Anyway, they have just about the entire Who catalogue, and Face Dances and It's Hard have interesting bonus tracks. It's Hard has live tracks that are pretty rockin' and Face Dances has a live version of How Can You You Do It Alone that kicks arse all over the studio version. It's not even the same song! Literally not the same song. Great. It tears stuff up, for sure. Also a live version of The Quiet One with John going nuts on bass and vocals. Plus other good things. I think I rather like Face Dances. It's just Did You Steal My Money and How Can You Do It Alone are weak songs and sort of lag there in the middle of the album. Other then that it's pretty good.

So yeah, if you don't have Face Dances or It's Hard with the bonus material they are worth checking out or picking up. Especially Face Dances, which has three previously unreleased studio cuts (including Somebody Saved Me, which eventually turned up on a Townshend album) and two live cuts.

And yes Lunch, I found a "Best Of Townshend" album. Of sorts. So there. :p

[Riva]

The bass drum explosion is classic.


It reminds me of Blackmore's amp explosion in Tokyo with Deep Purple.

[Lunch]

John: What exactly is Rhapsody? Does it download music, or do you just play muisc on it :confused:

Riva: Deep Purple kicks *** too.

[JohnXDoe]

^ It downloads music, too. It's a service not unlike Napster or MusicMatch. You can stream music into your home and choose from over 1.5 million songs to add to your library. It imports all the music on your computer into it's own player so you can store it alongside whatever you choose from Rhapsody, and as an option you can actually store the music on your hard drive so you can listen to it offline but not actually purchase it. How that works if you quit your subscription, I don't know? And I haven't too much space left on my HD, so I'm not gonna find out.

So yeah, it's a subscription music service. They also have video. I was just surprised by the vast selection of albums available. And the program works well. For $5 more you can put the music on a portable device and take it where ever you want. But I don't do that, so its $10.00 a month. I suppose it's like renting music. Which is fine with me. It's month by month, so I can quit anytime. And they give you two weeks free upfront to check it out.

I wouldn't buy music from there, though. If I come across something I want to buy I go to allofmp3.com and pick it up for around eight cents a song. That's just fine.

[Daniel!]

I just bought Quadrophenia and Live at Leeds on vinyl :cool:

[TheDMV]

I just bought Quadrophenia and Live at Leeds on vinyl :cool:

Excellent choices. Is Quadrophenia still a double album on vinyl?


1800

[Daniel!]

Excellent choices. Is Quadrophenia still a double album on vinyl?


1800

Yep. Live at Leeds is my favorite Who album, but the vinyl version has almost half as many songs as the cd version and I don't like it as much. But for $3, I'm not gonna complain. It's still incredible music.

[Lunch]

Yea, my dad has the original vinyl. It sucks listening to half the material when you've heard all the other songs from the show, but when it originally came out it was amazing.

[Dragon_Prince]

Deep Purple kicks *** too.

*Is going to see them in ten days*

^^

[Lunch]

What's their line-up like these days?

[Dragon_Prince]

What's their line-up like these days?

Ian Gillian
Roger Glover
Ian Paice
Steve Morse
Don Airy

Hope they´ll be playing Higway Star, Child In Time and Hush

[PinkFreud]

i KNOW theyll do highway star. enjoy that concert. steve morse is such beast on guitar.

[Seafroggys]

Lunch I'm surprised your setlist doesn't have "we're not gonna take it"

My dream list.....I dont' know terribly many Who songs, will go something like this:

Heaven and Hell
Water
Naked Eye
The Punk and the Godfather
Helpless Dancer
Who Are You?
905
The Real Me
Bargain
Christmas
Love Reign O'er Me
Pinball Wizard
Behind Blue Eyes
Won't Get Fooled Again

Encore:
Baba O'Reilly
Go to the Mirror
Trick of the Light
We're Not Gonna Take It

[Dragon_Prince]

No My Generation? :|

[Seafroggys]

meh I'm not too familiar with older Who.

it is a good song, so put it before Won't Get Fooled Again.

[robo2448]

I'm gonna give this dream setlist a try:

Baba O'Reily
The Real Me
Heaven and Hell
Young Man Blues
Who Are You
Armenia, City in the Sky
I Can See For Miles
Amazing Journey=>Sparks=>Eyesight to the Blind=>Christmas=>The Acid Queen (need a little Tommy medley in there, but I'd love to see the whole album performed if this dream concert doesn't have time limits)
Bargain
The Real Me
I'm Free
Water
Naked Eye
The Kid's Are Alright
I've Had Enough
Summertime Blues
5:15
Shakin' All Over
Love, Reign O'er Me

Encore:
Pinball Wizard
My Generation
We're Not Gonna Take It
Magic Bus

That would be a really long concert. I can't limit it though. I'd be happy to see them no matter what they play.

Edit- Okay I managed to cut out 4 songs. It was tough. I'm not good at cutting things down.

[JohnXDoe]

^^That set list would kill the old geezers. :smash:

[PinkFreud]

^^That set list would kill the old geezers. :smash:
you get on aim now!

[robo2448]

^^That set list would kill the old geezers. :smash:

Well if it's a dream setlist, it would be from around 1970 when they were in good shape and could handle a setlist like that:p

And yes, I'm aware that a bunch of the songs I picked are from after 1970. I mean, it's a dream setlist, so we can just ignore things like that.

[Seafroggys]

Magic Bus at the end?

meh, I could never really get into that song.

[Lunch]

It actually works as an end song surprisingly well, like on Live at Leeds and Live at the Isle of Wight. I probably just forgot We're Not Gonna Take It when I was making my list because of so many songs I was trying to put on there.

[JohnXDoe]

Soooon be home/Soooon be home/Soon/Soon soon soon be home....

[JohnXDoe]

Pete sticiks his foot in his mouth. Again. Needs to apologize. Again. And the latest issue of MOJO Magazine has a 15 song "Tribute CD" to the Who. Who own the cover, as well:

http://www.mojo4music.com/html/mojo_new_issue.shtml


From Pete's Diary:

12 January 2006
MOJO Magazine - my letter of apology


This letter was sent by email and received on January 7th.

With reference to my interview in the current issue:

Dear MOJO

Thanks for great Who front cover.

I need to be quick to point out that I went off painting pictures about the early days of British rock, and ended up appearing to bad mouth Bob Dylan, The Band and the wonderful Ronnie Hawkins into the bargain.

I was trying to show how over here in the UK in the early sixties we looked at the old guard of 'white' rock 'n' roll (even Elvis) as being almost 'washed up'. I know it sounds crazy now. We still worshipped the old guard: Eddie Cochran, Elvis, Buddy Holly, The Everly Brothers, Ricky Nelson, all of them. But people like me believed R&B artists (and only the black ones like Chuck Berry, John Lee Hooker, Bo Diddley and Jimmy Reed) were the ones we needed to emulate. It seemed to me, and I suppose I was one of those Luddites who for some time wanted Dylan to keep churning out acoustic records, that hiring Ronnie Hawkins' old band as his backing group, Dylan was groping in the dark. They were from the old school in my eyes. That band turned out to be one of the finest practitioners of modern music (and Ronnie Hawkins records are still on my jukebox). Dylan doesn't need my puffs, but neither should he or The Band be subject to slurs I didn't intend to make. (See my web site front page apology).

One other point, perhaps again the paint was applied too thickly. Roger's "cousin" I spoke of in the Quadrophenia piece was indeed a powerful, handsome and very cool White City mod, but the story of the six man murder was apocryphal. I should not have repeated it. Roger and I look enough like Wandsworth Prison inmates (on the cover of MOJO magazine) as it is without guilding the lily.

Cheers,

Pete


EDIT: Pink, I'll get on AIM this weekend and we'll work something out regarding the X albums. :)

[temporary]

*Is going to see them in ten days*

^^

*Chalks you down on a list of people to hate.*

Still waiting for the tour dates...

[PinkFreud]

EDIT: Pink, I'll get on AIM this weekend and we'll work something out regarding the X albums. :)
that's cool. just hit me up whenever. no rush.

[zabbit82]

I just bought Quadrophenia and Live at Leeds on vinyl :cool:

I was lookin thru my dad's collection and found he has duplicates of all of the Who he owns on vinyl, which I think is every album, short of "My Generation" :shocked:

Quadrophenia sounds better on vinyl than remastered CD, thats for sure...

[JohnXDoe]

^^Yeah, Quad sounds pretty good on LP. And for a long while it's the only Quad I listened to. Now I listen to it streamed in from my music service and I must say I enjoy it more. I hear things I didn't hear before. All the little subtleties come out. That's why I enjoy it more.

Oh, and Pete is God. That is all.....

[zabbit82]

Yeah, its not as bass heavy, so you can hear more of the drums 'bite'. There are different amounts of reverb remixed here and there too.

Its funny, because a few days after I bought Quad on CD, my dad took a listen to it and after he heard it all the way through, he said 'there wasn't an original mastered CD?'. He must have listened to it a billion times through as a teen. Not that its an obsession for him....

It's just that good :)

[Lunch]

Nothing wrong with listening to Quadrophenia a billion times. It's worth it.

[rockinbass17]

Quadrophenia = the best album ever recorded. Ever.

[Lunch]

I finally got around to really listening to the Royal Alber Hall CDs, and I was really pleasently surprised. They still have so much energy and are just so interesting to hear live. Obviously John isn't there anymore and they are a bit older, so I wouldn't expect their upcoming tour to be quite the same quality, but I'm still greatly looking forward to it.

[dr._feelgood]

I really need to get one of The Who's albums, I only have a Greatest Hits and some songs I downloaded off of Limewire. Which album should I get first?

[pigonthewing82]

I would say Live at Leeds is always a good place to start.

[Lunch]

I really need to get one of The Who's albums, I only have a Greatest Hits and some songs I downloaded off of Limewire. Which album should I get first?

The generic way to do it is to get Who's Next first, even though it's not in my top 4 or 5 Who albums. It's easy to get into though. Or yea, Live at Leeds is a classic. Then get Tommy and Quadrophenia.

[Seafroggys]

Does anyone else here thinks John has/had awesome stage presence?

I'm not being sarcastic either. The way he just stood there, you can see the confidence in his stone-cold face.....he's such a badass without even trying to be.

Though he always tended to stare at Pete and Roger while singing, which might show unconfidence, but whatever, I just love his stance.

[JohnXDoe]

I finally got around to really listening to the Royal Alber Hall CDs, and I was really pleasently surprised. They still have so much energy and are just so interesting to hear live. Obviously John isn't there anymore and they are a bit older, so I wouldn't expect their upcoming tour to be quite the same quality, but I'm still greatly looking forward to it.
Yup, that's a good one. If you see the DVD the crowd is a bit subdued, it being a high profile charity gig and some sort of Royalty being in attendence, I believe. But it kicks up quite a storm, nonetheless. And John sounds great, amirite? Also, do you have the one with the bonus cuts that were added after John's death? ie. I Don't Even Know Myself, etc...?
I really need to get one of The Who's albums, I only have a Greatest Hits and some songs I downloaded off of Limewire. Which album should I get first?
I would recommend the single disc version of Live At Leeds. Especially if your username implies what you usually listen to (Motley Crue kinda stuff?) or Quadrophenia. Both of which kick serious arse. The extended version of Live At Leeds or Live At The Isle Of Wright will also do. But they have Tommy slapped right in the middle. Which will ruin the studio version of it for you forever.

[dr._feelgood]

I hate Motley Crue now for the record I made the username a year ago.

[Lunch]

Does anyone else here thinks John has/had awesome stage presence?

I'm not being sarcastic either. The way he just stood there, you can see the confidence in his stone-cold face.....he's such a badass without even trying to be.

He's got that whole "Yep, I'm amazing at bass" type of presence, so I know what you mean.

John: I think I got the one you were talking about because it has I Don't Even Know Myself. It's on the disc 3 with Young Man Blues, I'm Free, and Summertime Blues.

[JohnXDoe]

Hey Lunch. I'm here to whore out my review of Townshends "Empty Glass" for sputnik and to give this thread a healthy bump. So go go go! 'Cause as you well know, I am:
a whore for Pete's solo career.
:p

Oh, and just to add some useful content to this post, here 'ya go. From Pete's Diary:


2 January 2006
Rachel and Pete have five tracks on the IAC charts TOP TEN


Rachel and I now have five songs in the top 10 at IAC. JUST BREATHE, IN THE MIX, SUNRISE and I'M ONE. One of them, PLEASURE SEEKER is not strictly a Rachel/Pete track. So congratulations to Rachel and her co-writer Jo Youle. We have over 25,000 downloads on these five tracks, and the IAC is now topping out at 250,000 visits a day.

I would like to thank the folks at IAC for getting behind Rachel and me in this way: I feel as excited about these hits as I was about my first chart entry with The Who's first single in 1965. I'm grateful to have new fans, and I know Rachel is over the moon.

Rachel and I are talking about the idea of putting out a special EP CD of tracks we do together.

An important point:

True independence in the record industry is hard to define these days. Rachel and I, and the folks at IAC, are all aware that the Rachel Fuller/Pete Townshend 'independent' releases exist in a safety zone not enjoyed by most up-and-coming artists. I hope that all the other brilliant new artists also in the IAC chart will accept that this extraordinary event will attract a lot of interest to IAC and to their new music. I know that IAC are now considering my suggestion that they establish a new chart for artists who enjoy a safety zone of some kind, but I'll leave it to them to decide how to proceed. - Pete Townshend


Seems as if Pete has been busy with his little gal pal lately. Oh, and welcome our newest contributer to this thread, Entwistle. Wherever he is? :confused: I expect him to be showing up soon....yet another crazy Who fan....

[Lunch]

Lately I've really been into songs like "Let's See Action","The Relay" and "Join Together". I'm really glad my dad has the 30 Years of Maximum R&B box set so I could get my hands on these tracks. To me they have a lot of power and/or really strong messages that make the music even better. Just great material that I can't believe they couldn't get onto an album (if Who's Next had these songs in the middle instead it would probably be the best album ever).

[PinkFreud]

lunch, still willing to maybe upload the royal albert hall cds? eh? eh? i would pay you in uploads.

[Lunch]

lunch, still willing to maybe upload the royal albert hall cds? eh? eh? i would pay you in uploads.

Oh yea, I didn't mean to ignore your request, I just forgot. I'm going to put Disc 3 in with Disc 2 because it's only four songs.

Edit: http://www.recordnerd.com/lists/lunch998
If you have any of those in the wanted section it would help me a lot.

[JohnXDoe]

Lately I've really been into songs like "Let's See Action","The Relay" and "Join Together". I'm really glad my dad has the 30 Years of Maximum R&B box set so I could get my hands on these tracks. To me they have a lot of power and/or really strong messages that make the music even better. Just great material that I can't believe they couldn't get onto an album (if Who's Next had these songs in the middle instead it would probably be the best album ever).
Yeah, those are great tracks. The Who have another classic album lying around in bits and pieces. Probably a couple of them. And lets not forget "Long Live Rock", either. Which was a single and showed up on Odds and Sods, and that's it.

Pink, I haven't forgotten about you. I've never uploaded anything to anyone before. What's the best and most effecient way I can get the X material to you, about how long will it take, and can I use my computer for other things while I do it? I have medium DSL. Just some basic info will help me get started in that direction.

[Lunch]

Oh yea, Long Live Rock is one I forgot to mention, as well as the Seeker. Originally I thought Long Live Rock was a little lame and cliche, but recently I've started liking it a lot more. It fits perfectly for the credits at the end of The Kids Are Alright.

[JohnXDoe]

Oh yea, Long Live Rock is one I forgot to mention, as well as the Seeker. Originally I thought Long Live Rock was a little lame and cliche, but recently I've started liking it a lot more. It fits perfectly for the credits at the end of The Kids Are Alright.
Yeah, I think it paints a nice vivid picture of a chaotic Who gig. And it's funny, also:


Down at the Astoria the scene was changing,
Bingo and rock were pushing out X-rating,
We were the first band to vomit in the bar,
And find the distance to the stage too far,
Meanwhile it's getting late at ten o'clock,
Rock is dead they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

People walk in sideways pretending that they're leaving,
We put on our makeup and work out all the lead-ins,
Jack is in the alley selling tickets made in Hong Kong,
Promoter's in the pay box wondering where the band's gone,
Back in the pub the governor stops the clock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

Landslide, rocks are falling,
Falling down 'round our very heads,
We tried but you were yawning,
Look again, rock is dead, rock is dead, rock is dead.

The place is really jumping to the high-watt amps,
'Til a 20-inch cymbal fell and cut the lamps,
In the blackout they dance right into the aisle,
And as the doors fly open even the promoter smiles,
Someone takes his pants off and the rafters knock,
Rock is dead, they say,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock,
Long live rock, long live rock, long live rock.

Long live rock, I need it every night,
Long live rock, come on and join the line,
Long live rock, be it dead or alive.

:lol:


Pete does a great job on vocals, too. Pure And Easy is another great tune that never made an "official" album". Naked Eye, as well.

[Lunch]

Parts of it also seem very sentimental as well, like "...And find the distance to the stage too far", and "..And as the doors fly open even the promoter smiles".

Great Who songs not on an "official" album:
The Seeker
The Relay
Join Together
Long Live Rock
Let's See Action
Naked Eye
Pure and Easy
Baby Don't You Do It
And obviously many earlier cuts, especially the added bonus tracks on the Sell Out album.

[PinkFreud]

Pink, I haven't forgotten about you. I've never uploaded anything to anyone before. What's the best and most effecient way I can get the X material to you, about how long will it take, and can I use my computer for other things while I do it? I have medium DSL. Just some basic info will help me get started in that direction.
you should zip the album files using winzip or winrar. then go to www.yousendit.com and upload the zip/rar file and have it send it to me at pinkfreud2100@aol.com

thanks a lot man. just do whatever album you think is their best or their most accessible.

[temporary]

Oh yea, Long Live Rock is one I forgot to mention, as well as the Seeker. Originally I thought Long Live Rock was a little lame and cliche, but recently I've started liking it a lot more. It fits perfectly for the credits at the end of The Kids Are Alright.

Yeah, I love Long Live Rock. It never gets the attention it should for an A grade rock anthem.

[Lunch]

It probably goes a bit underrated since it wasn't on an album. Albums last, and singles usually don't (unless they were huge, like Can't Explain, etc). Also, it doesn't really stand up as a rock anthem compared to Baba or Won't Get Fooled Again, so it's not easily recognizable. Still a very good song though.

[rockinbass17]

When was it recorded? It sounds like a Quadrophenia- By Numbers era song.

[temporary]

When was it recorded? It sounds like a Quadrophenia- By Numbers era song.

Sometime between '71 and '74 I think.

Anyways, yesterday I picked up the Live At the Isle of White DVD yesterday, and I'm loving it. They have so much stage presence... Even if some of the performances might not be quite Live at Leed's calibar, the fact that there's video to acompany it makes it increadible.

[Lunch]

When was it recorded? It sounds like a Quadrophenia- By Numbers era song.

I want to say 1972 off the top of my head. If I'm remembering correctly when Townshend was searching for concepts before he settled on the Quadrophenia idea, he dabbled in something about the life of rock, and if rock is dead, or something to that extent. He went through quite a few ideas before getting to the mod story that become Quadrophenia.
Anyways, yesterday I picked up the Live At the Isle of White DVD yesterday, and I'm loving it. They have so much stage presence... Even if some of the performances might not be quite Live at Leed's calibar, the fact that there's video to acompany it makes it increadible.

I think the sound is lacking a little bit, and Pete doesn't play as well as he does on LaL, but other than that, it's a great performance. And as you said, it's nice to have any video from their prime years. Some parts still stun me when I watch it (Young Man Blues is amazing).

[temporary]

I think the sound is lacking a little bit, and Pete doesn't play as well as he does on LaL, but other than that, it's a great performance. And as you said, it's nice to have any video from their prime years. Some parts still stun me when I watch it (Young Man Blues is amazing).

Yeah, that might be my favorite so far. I haven't had time to watch all of Tommy yet, but I shall soon.

[Lunch]

I've always like the Overture so that performance was great for me, and the finish on We're Not Gonna Take It is really magical, honestly. I was upset that they didn't have the Amazing Journey>Sparks footage though.

[Seafroggys]

I've always like the Overture so that performance was great for me, and the finish on We're Not Gonna Take It is really magical, honestly. I was upset that they didn't have the Amazing Journey>Sparks footage though.

No Sparks :eek: even the Woodstock one kicked ***!

[Lunch]

I know, it's on the soundtrack but not the DVD. Unfortunate, I really wish I could see footage of Amazing Journey and Sparks, considering how absolutely amazing the versions at Leeds and at the Isle of Wight are.

[JohnXDoe]

Tommy....:rolleyes:

Lunch, I recommend you STOP posting. :)

[Lunch]

Haha, that was really funny to me for some reason.

How 'bout that Who?

[JohnXDoe]

Yeah, they kick up a storm. New info says they will be hitting the road by summer and taking it all over the world. They are back in studio this month with the band and Pete sounds energized. I'm really looking forward to this. Hopefully the old geezers don't give out before the end of the year. :(

[Lunch]

Pete says the American leg of the tour starts in September, which sucks for me cause I'm gonna be going of to college when that happens. I was hoping it would be in the summer so I could go with my friends around here, but oh well. I have to see them anywhere they go.



Edit: I'm working on a review of Live at Leeds, mainly out of boredom but also because I'm trying to express how amazing it is in words.

Edit 2: Here's the finished review, comment please:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=5171

[Dragon_Prince]

The Who will headline T in the Park alongside the Red Hot Chili Peppers


I'm (hoping I will go) going although I got to go by aeroplane from the Netherlands :P

[JohnXDoe]

The Who will headline T in the Park alongside the Red Hot Chili Peppers


I'm (hoping I will go) going although I got to go by aeroplane from the Netherlands :P
I live in America and have no idea what that is, but it will no doubt be an awesome double headliner show. And if The Who come on last (which I'm sure they will) they will have to turn in a strong performance to follow the Chili Peppers. Should be a good gig.

[temporary]

I live in America and have no idea what that is, but it will no doubt be an awesome double headliner show. And if The Who come on last (which I'm sure they will) they will have to turn in a strong performance to follow the Chili Peppers. Should be a good gig.

I really wish I could go, but alas I live in America. Amagin if they had Flea come out to play a few numbers with, it would the closest to having John back they've come so far.

[Dragon_Prince]

T in the park is in scotland

and on 7july I'm seeing Sting here so it will be hard to get to scotland but I'll try :P

[JohnXDoe]

I really wish I could go, but alas I live in America. Amagin if they had Flea come out to play a few numbers with, it would the closest to having John back they've come so far.
That would be wild with Flea kicking out the jams with the Who. If Pino wouldn't be insulted. And I'm sure he wouldn't. He's a real pro. Just the thought of Flea going nuts with The Who makes me tingle in a very special place. :)

T in the park is in scotland

and on 7july I'm seeing Sting here so it will be hard to get to scotland but I'll try :P
You will make it for The Who. WTF Sting at the sacrifice of The Who, WTF? :confused:

[Dragon_Prince]

It probably will be 7 july sting
8 july plain to scotland, arrive there before chili peppers, and watch them
next day watch the who
next day go to london
next week have fun

:P

[Lunch]

That would be a great few days.

I wouldn't miss the Who for anything.

[Dragon_Prince]

That would be a great few days.

I wouldn't miss the Who for anything.


Yup, it'll be a great trip ^^ :)

Sting, RHCP and The Who in 3 days :P could it be better? :P(Yes live 8 :P)

[Lunch]

I don't care about Sting or the RHCP really, but it would be cool to see them anyway. And the Who finishing it off would be incredible.

[Ephemeral]

I think it's about time I start posting in this thread.


After having, and loving the album Tommy for awhile now, I finally saw the film. It was pretty weird.

[JohnXDoe]

Yeah, so this Concert In The T or whatever sold out in an hour. Good start, I say....
I think it's about time I start posting in this thread.


After having, and loving the album Tommy for awhile now, I finally saw the film. It was pretty weird.
Get the hell out. We've been happy here. :angry:

[Lunch]

I don't really like the film all that much. Which is saying something for me, the biggest Tommy whore around here. I heard the musicial was awesome though. I've heard the soundtrack and it was great.

I want to see the Quadrophenia movie, I've heard promising things about that too.

Edit: Have they released any dates yet?

[JohnXDoe]

Nothing solid for the tour. They are getting busy, though. Pete and Roger are set to play some dates at a Liverpool shindig (not as the Who) and I believe the band is set to play another Princess Trust concert. Or whatever it is. Pete's website has more info in The Who section. It's a members only thing, so I'm gonna copy and paste later, as I have to leave my house for a moment.

[Lunch]

Ok cool. Make sure you keep us updated if we don't get the info.

[Dragon_Prince]

@JohnXDoe, idd one hour, there me was in time through the waitline on ticketmaster.co.uk and than all of a sudden I couldn't order them from holland =S

[Riva]

Didn't realise there was a Quadrophenia movie.

[Stoo]

/Has 4 tickets to T In The Park.

:smoke:

[JohnXDoe]

@JohnXDoe, idd one hour, there me was in time through the waitline on ticketmaster.co.uk and than all of a sudden I couldn't order them from holland =S
That sucks, man. I hate when that happens. I mean, I've been shut out before because of a sellout, but never because I couldn't order from my location. What's up with that?

Meh, you can still see them sometime this year, most likely. Hopefully Holland orders will be accepted. :p
Didn't realise there was a Quadrophenia movie.
Yup. It's very good and I highly recommend it. It stands on it's own as it's own film, too. It's not a musical like the Tommy film. It's a straight drama and it tells the story straight. It's got it all. Jimmy, the Face, mods, rockers, rioting on the beach, uppers, downers, all arounders. GS Scooters. The whole mod thing. And it's got a remixed (by John) Quadrophenia soundtrack that perfectly suits the film. Do check it out.
/Has 4 tickets to T In The Park.

:smoke:
Yeah, well, enjoy your smoke. :angry:


/envy

[Lunch]

I heard the remix for the soundtrack was great. Although I never really cared much about the whole mod thing, it would still be interesting.

[fwqhgads ²]

Get the hell out. We've been happy here. :angry:
:angry:

[JohnXDoe]

Official Who Tour Dates And News From The Official Who Website.


17 February 2006

Liverpool next?

The Liverpool Echo have announced today that the band will be playing two dates in Liverpool in early July. The story runs:

Guess Who's coming to the Pops? Feb 17 2006

EXCLUSIVE by Joe Riley, Liverpool Echo

ROCK legends The Who are to play Liverpool's Summer Pops.

And not once but TWICE Ringo Starr's son Zak Starkey will be their drummer for the double whammy in July.

Today, Who frontman Roger Daltrey told the ECHO: "We can't wait to be back in Liverpool.

"It's been almost 40 years." Daltrey and fellow original Who legend Pete Townshend play the 4,000-seater big top on July 5 and 6.

A quick sell-out is expected when tickets go on sale at 9am NEXT Friday, February 24.

Prices range from 34.50 to 42.50 (pounds sterling). The concerts are the band's only dates in the north.

It will be the first time they have performed in Liverpool since a date at Liverpool University in October 1971.

The gigs come as The Who prepare to release their first album of new material for two decades.

But the emphasis of the Liverpool programme will feature back catalogue mega-hits such as My Generation and Pinball Wizard.

Roger Daltrey said: "Liverpool has such a great musical history. I can't believe it's been almost four decades since we played there.

"We're really looking forward to the show"
* Ticket hotline: 0870 151 4000.

As far as I know this show HASN'T yet been confirmed but I'll let you know as soon as I find out.

Matt

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19 February 2006

Austrian and German dates added

It looks like three concerts in Germany have now been advertised and put on sale.

The shows take place in Bonn (Museumplatz) on July 11, Berlin (Wuhleide) on July 12 and Ulm Muensterplatz on July 23rd.

The promoter is advertising tickets at the following website: MLK

I've also been told that a date in Austria is also on sale now. The band are scheduled to play at the Lovely Days Festival at St Polten in Austria on July 22. Tickets and details are are this (non english language) website.

I will post as many details as I can when I get them for all gigs but it would seem that shows are being announced before I receive confirmation that they've actually been confirmed!

Matt

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20 February 2006

Live at Leeds UPDATED

The band have been announced as headliners at the Leeds O2 Wireless Festival on June 25. The band will be supported by the Flaming Lips and the Super Furry Animals.

Tickets are on sale now to O2 customers and to others from Feb 24 from: O2.

Matt

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21 February 2006

Irish gig announced

The Who to headline the Oxegen Festival

The Who (and the Red Hot Chili Peppers) have been confirmed as the headline acts for this year's Oxegen festival.

The band will top the Main Stage billing on Sat (July 8) at Ireland's Punchestown Racecourse.

The Saturday will also see sets from The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, Richard Ashcroft, Primal Scream and Bellx1,

Tickets for Oxegen 2006 will go on sale on March 3 at 8am.

For more information visit www.oxegen.ie.

Matt

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23 February 2006

Bristol City gig

The band are to play a gig at Bristol City Football ground on June 28th. Tickets are on sale now via Ticketmaster UK here.

Matt

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24 February 2006

France added to the itinery

Promoters in Fraance have announced three gigs (2 in France, 1 in Monte Carlo). The gigs are:

SPORTING CLUB - Monte-Carlo July 15 2006

THEATRE ANTIQUE - VienneFestival Côte du Rock July 17 2006

LE GALAXIE - AmnévilleRue de l'Europe - 57360 Amnéville July 18 2006

The promoters website is here

Matt

[Dragon_Prince]

yes I know :) it's good to see that many dates

*still hoping for holland dates*

[wanderer]

Now if they only would vary their setlist that would be great but I guess that's why they play Europe.
Great way to justify to themselves playing the same ol tunes in same order each show with no varaition of any kind.

[Lunch]

Hey, I'm just happy they're able and willing to tour again at age 60+. Cut them some slack.

John: Looks like good news, I'm just waiting for those U.S. dates.

Edit: My local CD shop has the deluxe edition of Who's Next (the one with the live disc and the bonus material) on sale for $20, so I might try to pick that up soon. It's still expensive but obviously much better than $30, and I want that live disc.

[robo2448]

Edit: My local CD shop has the deluxe edition of Who's Next (the one with the live disc and the bonus material) on sale for $20, so I might try to pick that up soon. It's still expensive but obviously much better than $30, and I want that live disc.

I've been wanting that live disc for a long time. I've never seen it for less than $30 though. But I'm starting to think it might be worth that much.

[Lunch]

I know, I was on the verge of thinking that too. Live Who from 1971 is too good to pass up at any cost.

[temporary]

Woah, theres a delux version of a Who's Next with a Live Disc? Get it Lunch, and the upload it so I don't have to pay thirty dollars. ;)

[Lunch]

Woah, theres a delux version of a Who's Next with a Live Disc? Get it Lunch, and the upload it so I don't have to pay thirty dollars. ;)

Send me some money. Donate to the live Who fund.

[JohnXDoe]

Send me some money. Donate to the live Who fund.
hahahaha......Ha!

Not in a million years, Lunch my boy. :smash:

On a related note, that Who sure can rock, amirite? Yes I am. :)

[Lunch]

I never did get that deluxe version of Who's Next :cry:

But yea, it's a scientific fact that the Who can rock.

John, have you heard the deluxe edition of Who's Next, the one with the live disc? It looks awesome.

[JohnXDoe]

^I have not heard that. I wasn't even aware one was available until I read the news from you. I checked my music service for it and they have the regular deluxe version with Pure and Easy, Water, Naked Eye, I Don't Even Know Myself, etc. A few of the tunes sound like they were recorded "live" in the studio, but no, it's not a live disc. Just bonus stuff. I also checked where I buy my music (allofmp3.com) and they have every single Who album under the sun but no Who's Next at all. Even the standard version, wtf?

I went shopping for the new U2 Live DVD tonite and thought I might pick up the Tommy/Quad thing, but they still want $35. I was hoping for a sale price. Not that its not worth it, but damn. With tax it's a $40 deal. I have a hard time paying that much for a DVD. So I picked up the U2 and a 30 song, two hour twenty minute recent live Bowie disc (A Reality Tour) for $25 dollars combined. Now that's what I call a deal. :)

[TheDMV]

I checked my music service for it and they have the regular deluxe version with Pure and Easy, Water, Naked Eye, I Don't Even Know Myself, etc. A few of the tunes sound like they were recorded "live" in the studio, but no, it's not a live disc. Just bonus stuff.

I think this is the one I have. Some of the bonus tracks are really nice, they show a lot of different sides to the Who; they were definitley versatile. With the whole ambitious idea of the Lifehouse project, Townshend wanted to connect with the fans, so the band played quite a bit of the unreleased songs in a local venue. That's where the live cuts came from.

[JohnXDoe]

I think this is the one I have. Some of the bonus tracks are really nice, they show a lot of different sides to the Who; they were definitley versatile. With the whole ambitious idea of the Lifehouse project, Townshend wanted to connect with the fans, so the band played quite a bit of the unreleased songs in a local venue. That's where the live cuts came from.

Yeah, I'm listening to it right now. It's pretty freakin good. Even the familiar cuts sound like different recordings then were released over the years. And yeah, the live sounding stuff is great. Could be a club, like you say. For instance, at the beginning of Water a small audience sounds on hand. It's good stuff.

[Norman]

That was kickass. The Who are my favourite classic rock band, and Quadrophenia is my second favourite album of all time.

[JohnXDoe]

^Quadrophenia is the greatest ever. Your first favorite better be good. And it better not be Pink Floyd, or some other crap that has no chance of rockin'. :angry:

[Dragon_Prince]

^Quadrophenia is the greatest ever. Your first favorite better be good. And it better not be Pink Floyd, or some other crap that has no chance of rockin'. :angry:


Gehe, I think you want to know, that Pink Floyd tops my list :P

My favorite The Who stuff is, the 3DVD Tommy/Quadrophenia set, all you need more is, the magic bus live :P

[temporary]

^Quadrophenia is the greatest ever. Your first favorite better be good. And it better not be Pink Floyd, or some other crap that has no chance of rockin'. :angry:

*Gets ready to run away*

The Wall>Quadrophenia

*Runs away*

[TheDMV]

*Gets ready to run away*

The Wall>Quadrophenia

*Runs away*

The Wall? How about Darkside, WYWH, Animals, or even Meddle. The Wall is their most commercially successful output, but it's not quite at the level of the first two I mentioned.

5:15 off Quad is a phenominal song; one I totally used to underrate.

[temporary]

The Wall? How about Darkside, WYWH, Animals, or even Meddle. The Wall is their most commercially successful output, but it's not quite at the level of the first two I mentioned.

5:15 off Quad is a phenominal song; one I totally used to underrate.

I said the Wall because its a Rock opera, same as Quad. The others are concept albums. Plus, I'd still say The Wall is my favorite Floyd album. Only WYWH and Animals come close to the same level of emotional output that album can create.

5'15 is and awsome song, though. Same with The Real Me.

[Dragon_Prince]

From Quad, I love The Punk And The Godfather, Helpless Dancer and Love Reign O'er Me, the most :D

[JohnXDoe]

This is great conversation. I'm surprised at the taste in music of some Who fans. And while I do respect Pink Floyd and find some of their music tolerable, I wouldn't say they could > The Who in any way, shape, or form. No power chords, no sloppy live performances, no proto punk songwriting, no smashing up of instruments, no rich mod history. WTF?

The reason I like The Who is because they are a "classic" rock band that aren't stereotypical classic rock. Same as Floyd, so I guess they have that in common. But The Who....um....well, this is the Who thread, so I really don't have to say anymore. I really don't have words for it, anyway. This band leaves me speechless.

I have an aunt I don't see anymore who lived with us for awhile when I was a kid. She was into all kinds of music. She could listen to the hardest of punk or metal or alternative. This wasn't her usual fare, but she kept an open mind. But the times she would hear Live At Leads blaring from my room she would always scream "for the love of god that is such terrible noise". That's why I love The Who, basically. Not because of what she thought, but because it's true. It was and is terrible noise. God bless 'em

THE WHO > ALL

And don't anyone forget it. :smash:

[zabbit82]

God bless 'em indeed.

I listened to Quadrophenia as soon as I got home from school. I love The Real Me, 5'15'', Sea and Sand, Drowned, and Love Reign Over Me. That and Who's Next are some of my all time favs :)

[Lunch]

I love how the Who don't even have to sound good to kick ***, especially live. Their feeback is awesome.

I used to really dig the Wall, but it got a bit old to me. Quadrophenia has great music constantly, but I really don't care much about the story. The mod thing doesn't do enough to capture me or bring me into a character psychology. The whole time it seems like I'm on the surface and just looking at a story that goes , "then this happened....and then this happened.."

Townshend attempted to have a more complex and significant concept in Quadrophenia, as evident by the four contrasting personalities idea, and even in the Real Me. But ultimately that never goes anywhere and we're just left with some great tunes. Tommy, despite the incoherent and somtimes admittedly stupid plot, does more to capture the imagination and feeling of the listener than Quadrophenia does.

[JohnXDoe]

Their feeback is awesome.
The Who's feedback > any other bands greatest song, amirite?

Yes. I. Am. :)


/does a little dance

/goes back to listening to Oasis and eating spaghetti

[Lunch]

The Who's feedback > any other bands greatest song, amirite?

Haha yea. Silly other bands and their attempt to be good.

[JohnXDoe]

Haha yea. Silly other bands and their attempt to be good.
Silly bands, indeed....

Just checking in to say at Pete's website they are showing a live performance of Lifehouse on Towser TV. Which of course includes Who songs. Performed with full band and a small orchestra. Some of you should check it out. Right now it's opening with a lush number that includes good bits of Baba 'O Riley. It's interesting.

http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/

[Lunch]

http://www.funtrivia.com/quizzes/music/music_t-z/the_who.html

I was bored so I found these yesterday and wasted some time. It's pretty fun, most are easy but a couple are challenging.

[El_Goodo]

I just bought the Who's Then and Now because it was 12 dollars, and I'm glad that I did it. The first track "I Can't Explain" was killer, I loved the rhythm and the singing, and My Generation is a classic, but the kid's are alright may be one of the biggest Beatle's rip-off's I've heard but it's still a good song It sound's exactly like All I Got To Do at times.

Some tracks that stand out for me are I Can't Explain, Substitute, Behind Blue Eyes, Won't Get Fooled Again, Squeeze Box, You Better You Bet, Who Are You, and 5:15 (I love the part, "Inside outside LEAVE ME ALONE, Inside outside, NO WHERE IS HOME).

And the two new song's are really catchy and I like them. Real Good Looking Boy is my favourite of the two...but I got to know what's with the references and lines from "I Can't Help Falling In Love With You"

[Lunch]

I'm guessing this is your first run-in with the Who?

[El_Goodo]

I'm guessing this is your first run-in with the Who?

Indeed...

[Dragon_Prince]

You need to get: Who's Next, Quadrophenia and Tommy ;)

[rockinbass17]

And Live at Leeds.

[zabbit82]

And while you're at it, Who Are You.

[MidnightRider]

Definitely go with Live At Leeds next, that's how I got into The Who.

[Lunch]

And while you're at it, Who Are You.

No way that should come anywhere near the top of the list.

Order to get into the Who:
Who's Next
Live at Leeds
Tommy
Quadrophenia
The Who Sell Out
The Who By Numbers
The Who Sing My Generation
A Quick One
Who Are You
Face Dances
It's Hard

[JohnXDoe]

Hey Lunch, thanks for that link. Clever bump. I think I'll waste some time there myself...

So far as getting into The Who, just about any album could do it, save It's Hard. I actually got into them through The Kids Are Alright soundtrack. That really took hold of me. And the Who's Next tunes on there really come through. My Wife, WGFA, and especially Baba. That one is like thunder on that album. Have you seen the DVD where they isolate John's bass track for Baba and WGFA as a bonus feature? It's incredible. Amazing to hear...

Then I got into Face Dances and really loved it. Kind of let me see two sides of The Who with those two albums. Oh, and My Generation Blues From TKAA soundtrack is awesome, too. That's not even on your list! :smash:

Anyway, I was gonna post up here tommorow, seen as it has been inactive for several days. I was getting worried. :(

But seems things are back to normal now....

[Dragon_Prince]

@JohnXDoe, Baba will always be my favourite The Who song, it's a song that will never bore me :)

[Lunch]

Yea I realized I forget TKAA soundtrack, I wasn't even thinking about non-studio albums. That would probably be a good album to get in order to get into the Who.

Won't Get Fooled Again FTW, from Who's Next at least.

[BassCozzy]

I'm seeing the who in a few months i cnt wait

[JohnXDoe]

@JohnXDoe, Baba will always be my favourite The Who song, it's a song that will never bore me :)
I've had TKAA version stuck in my head for awhile. And I wish they would still do it like that. But even when John was still alive they started doing it with a piano intro sometime ago. And although John would join in just as on record, when it was just his bass alone at the intro, it sounded incredible. In fact I like that song live without piano altogether.
Yea I realized I forget TKAA soundtrack, I wasn't even thinking about non-studio albums.....
Oh yeah. Like that great studio album you included called Live At Leeds. What a misleading title, WTF? :p
I'm seeing the who in a few months i cnt wait
:angry:

[Seafroggys]

you don't know the Who until you hear See Me Feel Me live.

[Lunch]

Oh yeah. Like that great studio album you included called Live At Leeds. What a misleading title, WTF? :p

Fine, I hate you. God :angry:

In that case I just forgot about TKAA Soundtrack.

[temporary]

On the topic of the two new songs on Then and Now, I've only heard Real Good Looking Boy which I really like. Whats the other one like?

[El_Goodo]

Im thinking about getting the Who Sell Out next, i've heard lots of good about it, and I like the idea of the radio jingles. Is this a wise choice?

[rockinbass17]

^I really enjoy it. Their best pre-Tommy album. ^

On the topic of the two new songs on Then and Now, I've only heard Real Good Looking Boy which I really like. Whats the other one like?

Old Red Wine. They're both very meh to me.

[Lunch]

Im thinking about getting the Who Sell Out next, i've heard lots of good about it, and I like the idea of the radio jingles. Is this a wise choice?

I've always loved the Who Sell Out since I was a kid. It's fits nicely with albums like Sgt. Pepper's and the Kink's Village Green Preservation Society.

[JohnXDoe]

I also would recommend The Who Sing My Generation. First album. Talk about Maximum R&B! You can hear it all over that record. Good, good stuff. Detours, High Numbers, The Who. It's all there...

[JohnXDoe]

"IT'S ONLY TEENAGE WASTELAND"!!

Amrite, people?

YES. I. AM. :)

So, who has the latest Who scoop? I haven't check around lately.


EDIT: Townshend really is GOD! :smash:

[PinkFreud]

Someone here was going to see the Who soon...I forget who it was though.

By the way, thanks JXD, I'm really digging X. Very Cool stuff. I appreciate it a lot.

[Ephemeral]

I also would recommend The Who Sing My Generation. First album. Talk about Maximum R&B! You can hear it all over that record. Good, good stuff. Detours, High Numbers, The Who. It's all there...
I recomend this one too. Really interesting to see how they started off.

[Dragon_Prince]

Just needed to say how great the Tommy/Quadrophenia set is, the live hits are awesome


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[temporary]

EDIT: Townshend really is GOD!

Was anybody denying this simple fact of life?

[pigonthewing82]

I love the Kids Are Allright soundtrack. That has become my favorite Who album.

[JohnXDoe]

Was anybody denying this simple fact of life?
Indeed. Believe it or not even in this day and age it still happens. People always talking about Jesus or that islamic fellow. WTF? :confused:
I love the Kids Are Allright soundtrack. That has become my favorite Who album.
I've been listening to it a lot lately. It truly is great. The tracks they cut on the soundstage for the film itself are among the best live recordings ever officially released by them, IMO.

[pigonthewing82]

Indeed. Believe it or not even in this day and age it still happens. People always talking about Jesus or that islamic fellow. WTF? :confused:

I've been listening to it a lot lately. It truly is great. The tracks they cut on the soundstage for the film itself are among the best live recordings ever officially released by them, IMO.

Yeah I think I should try to see the movie. I heard it was really good.

I espciecially love Won't Get Fooled Again the best. Its such a great song :thumb:

[Seafroggys]

the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know

Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978"

The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex!

[zabbit82]

I think I've seen that, and I might have it on tape. Indeed, it was a historic moment for rock music.

JDX: How did you edit your username from JonXDoe to JDX??

[pigonthewing82]

the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know

Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978"

The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex!

Yeah I keep and keep hearing reviews of the film a lot like that. I've been really getting into The Who latley. The album that made me get REALLY into them was Who's Next? Everyone in the band shines on that album and I got the deluxe edition with the live disk, whitch isn't a bad live album. I really hope I get to see the Who live (well half of the Who).

[Lunch]

ZOMG could you upload the 2nd Disc of that set? I was planning to get it when my local record store had a sale (it was marked doen to $20 from $30) but when I went back with my money they didn't have anymore copies. Live Who material from 1971 is a must-own.

[PremierManiac]

Im thinking about getting the Who Sell Out next, i've heard lots of good about it, and I like the idea of the radio jingles. Is this a wise choice?
Yes, it is a wise choice. It's an excellent album.

[Lunch]

The Who Sell Out is such a great album. Everyone points to Sgt. Pepper's as if it were the only album to take full advantage of new and innovative studio effects like that in 1967, where as Sell Out flies under the rader to non-Who fans.

Rael is seriously underrated.

[rockinbass17]

I find the whole radio-concept very interesting. And funny, too. I laugh out loud every time I hear "Heinz Baked Beans."

[JohnXDoe]

Yeah I think I should try to see the movie. I heard it was really good. I espciecially love Won't Get Fooled Again the best. Its such a great song.
Yes, it is really good. It's a mess in a Who sort of way, shot by a young amatuer. But he was a fan, so he got the call. Not so much a fan as another crazy I hear. Like me for this band. And many others. Lunch would know more, as he's been reading Who stuff lately. Or at least looking at the pictures. :p

The DVD has must have bonus material. Namely John's bass track isolated on Baba and WGFA from the Shepperton performance. It's amazing to hear. And interesting as well. The film is kind of broken, but the audio is in tact. And somehow the broken film adds to it rather then takes away.
the movie is phenoenal......bad sp I know......Won't Get Fooled Again on that movie is quite possibly.....THE defining moment of rock 'n roll. If someone asks you what rock music is, just say "Won't Get Fooled Again, Shepperton Studios, May 25 1978" .The scream and the slow-mo slide......is orgasmic beyond the greatest sex!
I couldn't say it was the defining moment of "rock n roll" but it certainly was a defining moment for me. It was this album, and perhaps just as well the film, that really got me into The Who. And it was that performance in general that got me stuck. Plus it's very visual. This band was always exciting live. And Townshend is a very physical performer. The entire band was just a physical force onstage.
JDX: How did you edit your username from JonXDoe to JDX??
I asked for a name change in the site forum where you request changes, etc....
Yeah I keep and keep hearing reviews of the film a lot like that. I've been really getting into The Who latley. The album that made me get REALLY into them was Who's Next? Everyone in the band shines on that album and I got the deluxe edition with the live disk, whitch isn't a bad live album. I really hope I get to see the Who live (well half of the Who).
Of course it's not a bad live album. The Who never made a bad live album. Except for Who's Last. Which wasn't there fault. Has anyone heard that peice of crap? Who recorded it? It's the worst sounding album ever. The band sounds 2 miles away and muffled on that thing. Shockingly poor production and mix.

But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record, The Who made every single flaw into a strength. Musical and otherwise. This was a meticulous studio band as any that never got it right in studio (crazy Pete) and took it out all over the stage. Especially Pete. He lead the whole thing. The fury and explosiveness of The Who onstage is still something I have not heard duplicated. I don't think it can be. For me, they defined what live rock n roll is at it's best.
ZOMG could you upload the 2nd Disc of that set? I was planning to get it when my local record store had a sale but when I went back with my money they didn't have anymore copies......
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Lunch]

Yes, it is really good. It's a mess in a Who sort of way, shot by a young amatuer. But he was a fan, so he got the call. Not so much a fan as another crazy I hear. Like me for this band. And many others. Lunch would know more, as he's been reading Who stuff lately. Or at least looking at the pictures. :p

But your mention of Who's Next and how everyone shined on that album made me think about just how different live this band was then they were in studio. While others would strive to duplicate live what they did in studio, or fall short of the greatness they might be on record, The Who made every single flaw into a strength. Musical and otherwise. This was a meticulous studio band as any that never got it right in studio (crazy Pete) and took it out all over the stage. Especially Pete. He lead the whole thing. The fury and explosiveness of The Who onstage is still something I have not heard duplicated. I don't think it can be. For me, they defined what live rock n roll is at it's best.

I've mainly been looking at the pictures :p The picture for the 1973 section is just an amazing live shot of the Who, I wish I could make it into a poster that took up my whole wall.

The Who = definition of live Rock and Roll. That's a fact.

And yea, I got pwned by my record store, when they didn't have the damn deluxe edition of Who's Next when I went back.

[Ephemeral]

I still want to buy the Tommy and Quadrophenia live DVD but I'm so damn cheap, and it is so damn expensive.

:upset:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B9PW6M/qid=1143402827/sr=8-6/ref=pd_bbs_6/103-1638052-8211005?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

"What's for tea darling?"

[Lunch]

I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.

[JohnXDoe]

I still want to buy the Tommy and Quadrophenia live DVD but I'm so damn cheap, and it is so damn expensive.

:upset:
Same here. It's not so much that I am cheap, it's just I refuse to pay more then $30 for it, total. That's just how I am with money. I've never paid $40.00 for a DVD (the price including tax at my local record store is over $38.00) and I don't plan on it. I got a live U2 and live Bowie for $25 a couple of weeks ago. I could of gotten this, but I had to make a choice. Pay more for one thing I'm real familiar with, or pay less for a couple of new things. So for me the choice was clear.

The Amazon price is tempting. And I have one click ordering with them. Makes it sooo easy. But even with free shipping it's around $33.00. I would like to see the whole package drop to $25.00. Then I'd snap it up. Because to me, that's fair. And what I'm willing to pay. But you never know. It's just one click away....

Also wanted to say I'm sitting here listening to TKAA soundtrack, and Keith lost nothing toward the end of his life. So many say he lost his ability, or some of it, and point to the Who Are You album as proof. But if you listen to Baba, WGFA, and especially My Wife from the soundtrack, you hear that he is as brillant as ever. And perhaps even throws in a few new things. He is right...on...the...BEAT. And he and John own My Wife, with Keith anchoring the whole thing down and leading the way at the same time. No easy feat for a drummer.

Perhaps he wasn't up to a rigorous recording schedule, considering his poor health. And so his playing on Who Are You suffered. But the tracks recorded for TKAA show that he was on top of his game and suffered no loss of talent whatsoever. And for anyone to suggest thar after Quad and By Numbers he somehow "lost it" is ridiculous. Poor health, drink, some drugs, yes. But by the time TKAA soundtrack was recorded he was coming back. And as this record shows, he never lost it. He just wasn't in good shape for awhile.

Keith Moon, RIP.


EDIT:
I got mine when it first came out, and Best Buy had a small discount on it. I think it was $25.
That's what I'm looking for. I was thinking of Best Buy.....

[Lunch]

He started getting into big trouble in 1976 and '77, but by 1978 his health was starting to improve and his playing was getting back to where is used to be as a result. That's why it was such a shock when he died, because he was on his way out of his troubles.

[robo2448]

I'm not going to pay more than $20 for it. I'm cheap. I'd pay $30 if I really, really wanted it, but there are a bunch of things I want more.

And I do think that Keith declined considerably. He still had some bright spots though as you said. He didn't decline at all in skill, but he was in bad shape towards the end of his life with weight, drugs... Eventually it all caught up to him and affected his playing sometimes. But in terms of talent, he lost nothing. It was just a question of whether he would show up to the recording sessions in shape to play. When he wasn't completely wasted, he could still play as well as ever.

[JohnXDoe]

He started getting into big trouble in 1976 and '77, but by 1978 his health was starting to improve and his playing was getting back to where is used to be as a result. That's why it was such a shock when he died, because he was on his way out of his troubles.
Yeah. I have a couple of pictures of him from his last night alive. You might be familiar with them. It's him and his wife and Paul and Linda McCartney. I think it's actually a party for the release of TKAA. And he is looking good. Eyes wide and with a sparkle, drinking a club soda, and looking happy and very animated. Looking like Keith, in other words. But not crazy. Just clean and sober. And he had lost weight. I know his death was accidental. Too bad. He actually OD'd on his anti-drinking pills because he didn't want to drink so bad. At least I'm pretty sure that's how the story goes. Correct me if I'm wrong. But that is very sad.

[Lunch]

That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.

[JohnXDoe]

That's the way I've always heard the story. And yea, I've seen a couple of photos from the night before his death.

Keith's death is especially tragic because I think the Who could've made a couple more great albums. Townshend's songwriting and ability was still as good as ever, Daltrey still had the pipes and Entwistle was always getting better. As opposed to Led Zeppelin, when Bonham died I think that was a good time to end the group. ITTOD was decent but to me it sounds like a sinking ship of a group. I'm not saying Led Zeppelin would've sucked if they had continued, I'm just hypothesizing.
I completely agree with you. But I think Pete may of left, anyway. He was just tired of being in The Who at the time. On the same token though, he was always talking crap. So yeah, at least a couple of more great albums could of come from them. Pete is a great songwriter and as his solo albums bear out, he was very creative at this point.

And when Bonham died, yeah, it was the right time. Jimmy was struggling himself, and his playing live was never what it was in the studio, anyway. Least of all at this time. Zeppelin kind of needed a reason to quit. After the very lackluster Presence and the John Paul Jones led In Through The Outdoor (a good album, but not near the Page/Plant epics of before) they were running on fumes. Plus with the band counting on Jimmy to write the music and produce the albums, he just wasn't up to it anymore. And Jones could only hold court so long, I'm sure. Zep was also a victim of their own legend. Things were expected of them. The same way dopey Metallica fans expect things of them. The Who were very flexible. And the fans accepted that. And Pete was trying to get them more so. Even after Keith died. But to no avail.

Speaking of Pete....I wrote a "blurb" for sputnik of All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes. A blurb is a new feature over there and is basically a one paragraph mini review. Pretty cool. Anyway, I wrote it to accompany my full review of Empty Glass and just want to say in my gathering an album cover shot for the blurb, I see at Amazon you can get Empty Glass And ATBCHCE together for under $18. And Empty Glass alone for under $8. I would encourage any Who fan to pick these up. These are the two solo albums Pete recorded while still in The Who. And they are together 20 of his best songs from the late seventies and early 80's. Pick these up to complete your Who collection. If you have no other Pete albums, these are essential. And ATBCHCE is not an easy find. And I consider it one of his best works. In or out of The Who. Is it The Who? Well, yes and no. It's the best of The Who mixed with the best of Pete. That's the best way I can describe it.

So consider those two albums now or later. Anything else by Pete you can go without. Although he has put out some decent live stuff and interesting solo stuff over the years. But again I must stress the two above are essential recordings for any Who fan. So do yourselves a favor....you won't be disappointed. If you are, I'll refund your money. :p

[Lunch]

I completely agree with you. But I think Pete may of left, anyway. He was just tired of being in The Who at the time. On the same token though, he was always talking crap. So yeah, at least a couple of more great albums could of come from them. Pete is a great songwriter and as his solo albums bear out, he was very creative at this point.

Pete had been tired of being in the Who since 1965 :p

[JohnXDoe]

Pete had been tired of being in the Who since 1965 :p
hehehe.

True. I don't think he'll ever be at peace with The Who. Maybe this next go around will do it for him.

It's been nice. Gotta step out into real life for awhile. Damn it all...:wave: