The Who

[Seafroggys]

I saw the Portland show as well!

Maybe he was that stupid teenager I stood next to during the encore.

[fwqhgads ²]

What a dork.

John, make sure you troll that guy like nothing else

[JohnXDoe]

Ok guys I have Endless Wire for download. Rather then ask for emaill addresses I'm just going to post the link on the board, as we're all fans here and i would suppose its cool as long as no one turns me in:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B529E5C7470BE057

Here is my review on sputnik:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=9683&page=1#lastpost

The Who have lots of good material on here. Unfortunately Pete Townshend gets in the way of it with his arty pretentions. What he added to the mini opera Wire & Glass which comprises the second half of the album sounds much like filler and the first half of the album (Endless Wire) doesn't quite come together and is a bit uneven. Therefore I have trimmed the fat off my copy and rearranged the playing order of the songs. You may want to do the same after you here the album. Or even before. It makes a substantial difference. Here is my final track listing taken from the 19 tracks included (21 with the extended cuts of WGOH and EW)

1.Fragments
2,We Got A Hit (Extended Version)
3. It's Not Enough
4. Black Widow's Eyes
5. A Man In A Purple Dress
6. Mike Post Theme
7. Two Thousand Years
8. Endless Wire (Extended Version)
9. Sound Round
10. Pick Up The Peace
11. They Made My Dreams Come True
12. Mirror Door
13. Tea And Theater
14. You Stand By Me

I must say if this had been the album The Who released it would of been easier to digest, as trimming really does improve the whole. What they released needs some editing, IMO. So the above is what I recommend for a true Who experience. You can forget the rest, as you aren't missing anything and IMO it intrudes on things. Enjoy...

EDIT: If you are one of the first few posters to grab this and the page turns over please quote the download link in your post so it will carry over to the next page. Thanks....

[AnyColour74]

have you guys seen the tommy/quad dvd? its pretty awesome. im currently working on a major review for it that i was hooping to get out either today or tommorow, but it looks like that's not going to happen.

[wanderer]

and where is the "God Speaks of Marty Robbins" ?, best song from the record by far. Uncertain Girl was also far better than most what is on it now. I guess Roger just couldn't sing it (just like he can't sing "2000 Years" either) like Pete was talking about on ITA. Should have been included with Pete doing it.

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1.Fragments
2,We Got A Hit (Extended Version)
3. It's Not Enough
4. Black Widow's Eyes
5. A Man In A Purple Dress
6. Mike Post Theme
7. Two Thousand Years
8. Endless Wire (Extended Version)
9. Sound Round
10. Pick Up The Peace
11. They Made My Dreams Come True
12. Mirror Door
13. Tea And Theater
14. You Stand By Me

I must say if this had been the album The Who released it would of been easier to digest, as trimming really does improve the whole. What they released needs some editing, IMO. So the above is what I recommend for a true Who experience. You can forget the rest, as you aren't missing anything and IMO it intrudes on things. Enjoy...
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[JohnXDoe]

^ "Marty Robbins Speakes To God" is fine. I suppose its interchangeable with a track or two here. But for my taste it makes for a little too much acoustic stuff on the album.
have you guys seen the tommy/quad dvd? its pretty awesome. im currently working on a major review for it that i was hooping to get out either today or tommorow, but it looks like that's not going to happen.
I've seen it. Its really good. I especially like the Quad disc.

[JohnXDoe]

Ok guys I have Endless Wire for download. Rather then ask for emaill addresses I'm just going to post the link on the board, as we're all fans here and i would suppose its cool as long as no one turns me in:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B529E5C7470BE057

Here is my review on sputnik:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=9683&page=1#lastpost

The Who have lots of good material on here. Unfortunately Pete Townshend gets in the way of it with his arty pretentions. What he added to the mini opera Wire & Glass which comprises the second half of the album sounds much like filler and the first half of the album (Endless Wire) doesn't quite come together and is a bit uneven. Therefore I have trimmed the fat off my copy and rearranged the playing order of the songs. You may want to do the same after you here the album. Or even before. It makes a substantial difference. Here is my final track listing taken from the 19 tracks included (21 with the extended cuts of WGOH and EW)

1.Fragments
2.We Got A Hit (Extended Version)
3. It's Not Enough
4. Black Widow's Eyes
5. A Man In A Purple Dress
6. Mike Post Theme
7. Two Thousand Years
8. Endless Wire (Extended Version)
9. Sound Round
10. Pick Up The Peace
11. They Made My Dreams Come True
12. Mirror Door
13. Tea And Theater
14. You Stand By Me

I must say if this had been the album The Who released it would of been easier to digest, as trimming really does improve the whole. What they released needs some editing, IMO. So the above is what I recommend for a true Who experience. You can forget the rest, as you aren't missing anything and IMO it intrudes on things. Enjoy...

EDIT: If you are one of the first few posters to grab this and the page turns over please quote the download link in your post so it will carry over to the next page. Thanks....
:wave:

Grab the goods, guys :)


EDIT: AnyColor74 and wanderer I answered your questions at the bottom of the previous page.

[Lunch]

I'm holding out for the release date, only a few more days. Get away with your evil temptations.

[fwqhgads ²]

/is downloading sup gice

[fwqhgads ²]

Alright, I just uploaded these. Enjoy.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3099526434105125496&hl=en-CA
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8562053248208051648&hl=en-CA

The first is A Quick One from The Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Circus, which is one of my favorite pieces of live footage of any song ever.

The Second is Man In A Purple Dress from Letterman. Really good performance too.

[Surf]

i love the rock and roll cricus performance.

legand has it that the rolling stones withheld the footage for ages because they felt the who's performance overshadowed them. not sure how true that is...

thanks alot, great stuff

[Not Jeremy Walpole]

Great videos! Thank you!

[rockinbass17]

Wow. "Man in a Purple Dress" is so beautiful. I'm glad that Pete and Roger were able to write a mellow, acoustic song, and not have it sound cheesey (as many musicians have when they reach that age). I'm looking forward to the album more and more.

It's due out tommorrow, right?

[Sir John Longpeen]

Wow. "Man in a Purple Dress" is so beautiful. I'm glad that Pete and Roger were able to write a mellow, acoustic song, and not have it sound cheesey (as many musicians have when they reach that age). I'm looking forward to the album more and more.

It's due out tommorrow, right?

Yes, I believe so

[JohnXDoe]

Wow. "Man in a Purple Dress" is so beautiful. I'm glad that Pete and Roger were able to write a mellow, acoustic song, and not have it sound cheesey (as many musicians have when they reach that age). I'm looking forward to the album more and more.

It's due out tommorrow, right?
download link at the top of the page if you are interested. along with a few suggestions/recommendations concerning it.
Alright, I just uploaded these. Enjoy.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3099526434105125496&hl=en-CA
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8562053248208051648&hl=en-CA

The first is A Quick One from The Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Circus, which is one of my favorite pieces of live footage of any song ever.

The Second is Man In A Purple Dress from Letterman. Really good performance too.tyty

good stuff there. haven't seen the Quick One clip for awhile. Great performance. Still a strange song. Thats what I like about it. Moon was fantastic in that clip. What a loon.

[fwqhgads ²]

I've been listening to that song non stop lately. It's just so good.

I learnt how to play it on guitar today. :cool:

I think I'll try to get together a band now that will play it with me. : o

[JohnXDoe]

This is pretty nice. New live stuff from a TV taping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsIhAAHC2bA

Also just want to say Best Buy stores will have this available Tuesday with the included 5 song bonus live DVD and a Best Buy Exclusive bonus CD with seven live songs, so far as I understand. All for the low low price of $9.99 while supplies last.

[Seafroggys]

i love the rock and roll cricus performance.

legand has it that the rolling stones withheld the footage for ages because they felt the who's performance overshadowed them. not sure how true that is...

thanks alot, great stuff

its not legend, its actually a very common fact.

[wanderer]

some 1966 live footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPusoBVN69M

Here is some live footage from 1972

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJb4qnV7ir0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRpuLnfTnHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Q6HrMX5-s

If people didn't notice these check them out,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=37J91o-GyvM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSAnHDLvkes
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N03mUxdzOAs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5aadBKgetqA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U4xl2RtNqOQ

Townshend doing seriously good acoustic versions of Psychoderelict stuff , they great and much better than the new stuff. Pete really dropped the ball with the Endless Wire which was unexpected and quite disappointing

[Surf]

its not legend, its actually a very common fact.

ok then, but there's alot of things like that which are just hearsay.
it is a great performance though

[User Name]

I'm skipping school tommorow to get the album right away. The colletion will be complete.

[All_O_Gistics]

is it gonna be in stores tomorrow or just shipped to stores tomorrow?

[fwqhgads ²]

damnit **** I'm confused.

I want to get the limited edition one, as it comes with a DVD according to this:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFSM2124883&catid=21010

But I don't know if that if best buy only, as John said. I can get the album tomorrow no problem, but if they don't have the special edition at the music stores, then I will want the one from Best Buy or whatever, but my friend is going there tomorrow, and I have to phone him but he will probably buy the cheapest. -_-

brb whilst i get my thoughts together

[User Name]

There is a store around here selling the cd+dvd for $10 US.

As far as I know, it's not just Best Buy.

[JohnXDoe]

my computer at home is down thanks to HD failure and some bios problems installing the new one. or something. so i may not be around a lot for the release so far as posting is concerned, but here is the info on the release.

most/many/all releases of Endless Wire i believe come with the DVD. the best buy info i saw has an additional disc, an audio cd. its a live disc. seven songs. so that makes a total of 3 discs from best buy. and yeah i think its an exclusive.

[User Name]

Oh, that's different then. I'll have to look for that!

[fwqhgads ²]

damnit

[rockinbass17]

Just though this was worth posting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za1DWb3dTNo&mode=related&search=

Anyone buy Endless Wire yet?

[Lunch]

I have class at two then I'm going to the store after to get it.

[Seafroggys]

Holy crap it comes out today!

Eh, I'm waiting for my birthday (Nov 26th). I'm already buying the 'official bootleg' of the Portland show as soon as I get my check in the bank.

[User Name]

I bought it! I bought it!'


I wanna write a review for it.

[Lunch]

The stupid record store was like "Come back tomorrow that's when we'll get it". I was like WTF n00b give me my Who, but I got owned....

[User Name]

That sucks. It's gonna be worth the wait though. I love it. I haven't even checked out the dvd yet.

[JohnXDoe]

The stupid record store was like "Come back tomorrow that's when we'll get it". I was like WTF n00b give me my Who, but I got owned....
dudes i posted the ENTIRE ALBUM FOR DOWNLOAD. minus the DVD, of course...

[Lunch]

dudes i posted the ENTIRE ALBUM FOR DOWNLOAD. minus the DVD, of course...

I responded right after your post that I was going to hold out to actually buy the album, and I've made it this far. Your efforts are appreciated but I'm playing this one straight up.

[fwqhgads ²]

I got mine! I got the Limited Edition one with the bonus DVD, which I have yet to watch.

I ripped it into FLAC, then uploaded the torrent to Oink's pink palace. It's been online for just over one and a half hours, and there are already 35 Leechers and counting!

I think this will be a very popular album indeed.

[Maggot Dream]

All the reviews I've read look great, I'm really excited to hear it. I tried Borders yesterday but they didn't have it yet, will definitely be getting it tomorrow.

[JohnXDoe]

Rolling Stone review 4 of 5 stars:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/12075311/review/12222928/endless_wire

[fwqhgads ²]

Oh man it's so good

[JohnXDoe]

Its pretty good, yeah. i like Mike Post Theme a lot. Better then expected. Black Widows Eyes is somewhat majestic. Nice Pete harmonies. I also like the extended cuts and Mirror Door. I appreciate also that Pete didn't try to hide the flaws so far as Rogers voice. He warbles a bit on Mirrior Door, sounds really gruff on the extended versions of WGOH and EW. All works to great effect. Many of the songs give a "live in the studio" impression.

oh and jeff i read your post at sputnik. the reason the album was rated low is someone went through all the reviews on the front page and rated them 1. they also neg voted on all of them. :angry:

[User Name]

Mike Post Theme rules. The whole Wire and Glass is really good too. The only two I'm not really a fan of are In the Ether (is that Satchmo?) and Tea and Theatre.

[Sir John Longpeen]

I must get this album!

[fwqhgads ²]

Indeed. Mike Post Theme is my favorite track on there. I love the lyric "There comes a time in every little punk's life when he has to write a song..."

The track reminds me of Quadrophenia too for some reason.. :/

[JohnXDoe]

lol

this is from a guy who posts at thewhotour.com and he always does stuff with Who songs. he's a musician. he did a version of Endless Wire the morning the damn album came out. it was pretty good. i'm just going to post his post. its not half bad:

What Would We Got A Hit Sound Like With John Playing Bass:

Here's my idea of what it'd sound like...

http://www.sameerbarua.com/wgah.mp3

Unfortunately my rig is still not set up so I had to play it on a Takamine acoustic bass using weird EQ and distortion settings to attempt to sound like him (I normally have a dead-on setting on my Digitech pedal).

While I don't intend to offend other John fans, I attempted to sound as much like him as I could, borrowing most heavily from licks and playing styles in WGFA and Dreaming from the Waist.

Comments are welcome!!!

-Sameer

[wanderer]

My Generation version from 'Chicago 9-25-2006' where Pete does the vocals
because Roge had to leave the stage.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QejF2P6qHpw

[JohnXDoe]

^thank you for that link. it is excellent. :)

[Seafroggys]

God, they messed up so much! :D Pete kept on messing up lyrics toward the end, and the end of the first verse was a measure too long (you can hear the hesitance in the players).

Good stuff though.

[Dragon_Prince]

Cool video, great stuff :)

[Values Here]

I love Keith.

[zabbit82]

The stupid record store was like "Come back tomorrow that's when we'll get it". I was like WTF n00b give me my Who, but I got owned....
Where did you go to get it?

And how is the new album? I bought it for my dad's birthday tomorrow and I'm wondering if it's worth a good present or not.

[fwqhgads ²]

hmmm

I'm not that impressed with the DVD that came with my copy of Endless Wire. It's that Lyons show, but it doesn't really seem like there is much energy between the players. I dunno though, maybe it's just because I'm tired.

I just got back from a city a few hours north of me for an open house of a college I might be going to. Looks pretty good, but I have to look at my other options aswell.

[Ephemeral]

so um hi

[Seafroggys]

Has anyone whose been to a show on this tour ordered the CD and/or DVD of their show? I'm totally wanting to do that (just have to get money into my dad's paypal account, I'm too cheap to have my own), but I haven't seen any discussion about it here.

[Ephemeral]

Yes. Mine is on it's way. I've ordered the Dual CD and DVD Set.

[wanderer]

From http://www.intheattic.tv/rachel.
Seems like Attic Jam was a great show. "Something In The Air" was definately rather unexpected...

****'

The gig last night was phenomenal.

I opened by playing Cigarettes and Housework and then Pete joined me for Sunrise.
Then Mikey performed Plasticine, i joined him for You, and Pete and Simon joined in on Misery.
Then Simon played Comeback, Scaffolding and Sexchange.
Minnie Driver then performed Everything in my Pocket, Sorry Baby, and Pete and I joined her for Fast as you Can.
Pete then performed Greyhound Girl, Endless Wire, Blue, Red and Grey, Marty Robbins, Lets See Action and I joined him for In The Ether.
Then E from EELS played a killer set, i dont know the names of some of the first songs (will find out), but performed Jeanies Diary, Flyswatter, Pete joined him for Its a Mother****er, i then joined them for Birds, and then he and Pete finished with Let my love open the door and The kids are alright.
Billy Corgan then played 4 new songs, and Pete and i joined him for Something in the Air by Thunderclap Newman, i played Kazoo, see photo. haha.
I then sang Jigsaw with Pete and finished with Blue by Joni Mitchell which i dedicated to Linda McCartney.

I can't really describe how special the evening was.
Mikeys set was brilliant - his best yet.
Simon was very energetic and jumped around a lot! Scaffolding is beautiful, and i had never heard it before.
Minnie Driver kicks ***. I told her to keep at it, its difficult for actors/actresses to crossover, but she's a great artist and should be heard.
Petes set was beautiful. He played the new songs with real passion. I love hearing him perform like this, stripped down, bare. The Who are of course brilliant, this is totally different - up close.
E was HILARIOUS, and performed as he does. He's a genius.
Billy hadnt played a live show for a long time, over a year. He was nervous - i like that, it shows real humility as an artist of his calibre. His set was mind-****ingly brilliant and his humour dry and incredibly funny.

What an evening - i felt honoured to have been part of it.

RachelF.xx

p.s. the chicago attic jam has sold out! please let me know which of you got tix?

*******

[JimJam]

shh don't tell anyone but it's me jeff

>_>

i feel like a fugative. THEY'VE BANNED ALL OF MY ACCOUNTS


<_<

/slips back into the shadows

[Dragon_Prince]

That sucks ...

NP - Doctor Jimmy :)

[Ephemeral]

/is back now

[JohnXDoe]

don't worry jeff you are always safe here in the stronghold. JimJam, lol....they can't reach you 'round these parts. as for myself i took a bit of a break from the thread after the show on the 5th. still plenty of Who stuff to get to, but with the release of the new album and then the show (thoughts on which are coming later) it just felt like the right time to exhale a bit and gain some perspective on the band once again. i'll be back more and more. glad to see you folks are still here. hope everyone doesn't go away once the tour is over and stuff :(

[Seafroggys]

I just ordered the Portland show (finally :rolleyes: ) but I guess it doesn't matter that i order it this late since its availble tomorrow. Should be awesome.

[Ephemeral]

Mine's shipping atm

[Ephemeral]

I just received it today!

Watching the DVD atm.

Looks really good.

:D:D

[Seafroggys]

the day I bought the Wii, the DVD came in. Boy was it awesome! Nothing like me being there though. I can only imagine what it would have been like to been at Leeds in '70! :eek:

[RNR]

Not as good as if they had put out Quadrophenia and Who's Next when they did it, I bet.

[MrConeman]

The Who are on BB1 right now for any U.K veiwers.

[Seafroggys]

I just listened to Endless Wire (well, I listened to it yesterday, but I've been so busy with my birthday and working and Zelda and such). Its really good. A lot of acoustic stuff, which is meh, but Mirror Door and one other song I can't recall were really, really good.

[JohnXDoe]

Hey Who people. I'm starting to miss this thread which is a sure sign of my return. You may of noticed I've been MIA since the gig i attended on Nov.5. I don't know what it is? I feel a little as if the band is coming to an end. A final end. Its kind of sad for me, and of course the nature of the band today is much different then it was even four years ago. Couple that with a Hollywood Bowl gig that saw them do material that i've heard them do live a few times before with the exception of the new stuff and i guess i have a few things to say about the band before i dive into the thread again. The Who are kind of lost on me right now. I need to post about it and clear my thoughts out of the way. But its hard getting it out. Like writing an honest letter to a long time lover after your feelings have changed, although you may still love her/him. I'll get around to it. Long live rock and all that.....hope everyone is well :)

[Dragon_Prince]

Nooooooooooooooooo Jxd, Don't Leave Us!

[User Name]

I'm seeing them on saturday, and I can't wait. I never thought I'd get the chance to see 'em.

To JXD, I too feel this might be one of the final hurrahs for The Who. It's sad in some ways, especially when you care for the band as much as I do. Still, it would be a great end. I mean, they managed to come back with only half of the original members who are both in their 60's to make an interesting and creative album. This is a testament to how great a band they are.

[Seafroggys]

Yes, they are going out with quite a bang. No doubt about that.

Cheers to them.

[JohnXDoe]

I've lost my Who mojo :upset:

[User Name]

Not me. I saw them last night. It was bitchin'.

[RNR]

Not me. I saw them last night. It was bitchin'.

They're supposed to be getting even better by now. They were freaking amazing a month and a half ago in Calgary, imagine how good that tour is now.

[rockinbass17]

Not me. I saw them last night. It was bitchin'.

What'd you think of the new material they played? When I saw them I thought it was all great; I'm anxious to see what other people think.


I still haven't picked up Endless Wire yet because I'm a tool.

[Seafroggys]

I am now in love with Black Widow's Eyes and Man in a Purple Dress. Those are some killer songs.

[JohnXDoe]

Black Widow's Eyes is an awesome song. Among my favorites from the new album. Mike Post Theme is most likely my fave. Two Thousand Years, Its Not Enough, the extended We Got A Hit and Endless Wire, all are aces in my book...

[Seafroggys]

I actually don't liek Mike Post Theme too much. It doesn't have enough balls to it, to be honest. Roger does a fantastic job, but it needed a heavier electric guitar part to it, the light acoustic doesn't cut it.

[JohnXDoe]

yeah. pete went heavy with the acoustic stuff on the album. i think MPT has some slamming bass and drums, though. and i love the chorus of "ba-ba-ba-bah's. or whatever it is they're saying. and yeah, Roger carries the whole thing, you are right.

'froggys i know you are a drummer. and drums is one of the things sadly missing from this record. a bit more gusto on the Wire & Glass songs perhaps, but meh. i read that not only was Zak unavailable for the album (stupid Oasis) but that Pete actually plays drums on 12 cuts! ok, we all know Pete plays drums he's a decent multi-instrumentalist. but he is no DRUMMER. As in Moon/Jones/Starkey/Huntington (Huntington being the Wire & Glass EP drummer). and whatever anyone thinks of Jones (i know you hate him for The Who) drums were still prominent on the albums he made with them. on the new album they're just kind of non-existent. i gotta bit of a problem with that.

anyway guys i'm starting to feel good about posting in this thread again. i still have some reservations about this new thing Rog & Pete have going after all is said and done with the new record, and especially after i saw the show. which was good, but for me something was missing that was there even a few years ago. i don't know if its worth delving into and posting about or if i should just keep discussing the new stuff and going forward as a fan with this band. its just the old Who seem very much gone now. a memory. dust in the wind. and that makes me sad :(

anyway, i'm away on business until Thursday. i'll post back up upon my return. take care, everyone.

:wave:

[Thunder Fingers]

Who thread!

cant believe i have missed it. big fan!


(Quadrophenia should be a houshold name all over the world.. its simply a lesson in Rock'n'roll!)

[JohnXDoe]

i agree with the Quad thing. its my favorite album ever and yeah, it should be required listening in high school or something. math and english have nothing on it. 11,000 posts and you didn't know we were here? for shame, my good man!

well welcome to The Who thread. its a good place to be on the internets :)

[Lunch]

One of the best for sure.

[Seafroggys]

Yeah the album was heavily acoustic oriented. Now the acoustic based songs I like, such as Black Widow's Eyes and Purple Dress and all the others. Its just MPT is not an acoustic song in its arrangement, it doesn't sound too good with just an acoustic, it needs an electric in there. Especially during the "We're not strong enough..." bombastic Punk and Godfather style part, it just needed that electrifiedness to it.

As for the drumming, Zak does one song (can't remember, I'm at college right now burning time between classes), but I think Pete did a pretty decent job. One thing I didn't like is how he used a drum machine during Tea & Theatre, it just doesn't sound right, and doesn't really fit in with the song (when its just the two doing it live, I think its perfect), plus its a fricken drum machine.

Unlike you JxD, I wasn't a fan of The Who while John was still alive, so I personally don't know the magic of them being around (or seeing the three of them). Which is probably why I thought it was the greatest concert I had ever seen, because I wasn't around the live the magic and know what it was like before. Now I do feel the same way about The Beatles though, I was a huge fan when George was alive. If, for some odd reason Paul and Ringo got together, I would feel weird about it.

[Thunder Fingers]

i agree with the Quad thing. its my favorite album ever and yeah, it should be required listening in high school or something. math and english have nothing on it. 11,000 posts and you didn't know we were here? for shame, my good man!

well welcome to The Who thread. its a good place to be on the internets :)

:upset: i know, i guess i have noticed it around, just never joined it, and i wasnt online for a year :p

(and that year turned me on to John's playing, and from there in to The Who's music...)

[User Name]

What'd you think of the new material they played? When I saw them I thought it was all great; I'm anxious to see what other people think.


I still haven't picked up Endless Wire yet because I'm a tool.

I thought the new material was pretty awesome. They did a really good job mixing old stuff with the new ablum. From memory, they did Fragments, Black Widow's Eyes, Man In The Purple Dress, Mike Post, and all of Wire and Glass.

They also played about three songs from Tommy, which was cool. Daltrey went through a stack of tambourines during Sparks.

They didn't play any of Quadrophenia, which I was really hoping to see (also my favorite album ever), but it was still one of the best shows I've ever seen.

[Dragon_Prince]

Oh what a shame, at Hyde Park they played Love Reign O'er Me

But I was hoping for Doctor Jimmy :D

[JohnXDoe]

The Punk And The Godfather is always nice, too.

[Seafroggys]

No Quad either at my show, but the Tommy encore was epic.

[JohnXDoe]

no Quad in favor of the new stuff. fine with me. didn't care much for the Tommy segment. never have....

[Seafroggys]

no Quad in favor of the new stuff. fine with me. didn't care much for the Tommy segment. never have....

yes, I know :evil:

Though they could have gotten away with Anyhow Anway Anywhere, I've never liked that song, probably my least favorite of the show.

[RNR]

I would have really liked to hear 4 or 5 songs from quad.

Man, the vocals on the live dvd that comes with the new who album or so bad. When I saw The Who, they sounded great. What's the deal?

[User Name]

Yeah, Pete didn't really impress me on the dvd either.

Is anyone who saw them gonna buy a copy of the show? I was thinking about it.

[Seafroggys]

yeah they were better on the US tour then the European tour, which is the DVD that comes with Endless Wire. The DVD that I bought of my show is pretty good, and really shows the difference between actually being at the concert and watching it at home. I was in a practical orgasm at the concert, while watching the DVD is "yeah, its good, and awesome."

[rockinbass17]

Well, of course nothing compares to being there at the live show. Man, I still get excited thinking about how incredible it was.

[wanderer]

Here is a video of Pete playing 'Bye, bye Love' with some other bloke during last weekends 'Attic show'. You need flash player.

http://picasaweb.google.com/iamozzie/AtticJamChicagoDec/photo#5006816279627767794

[Ephemeral]

I stoped watching the DVD from Endless Wire.

I wasn't impressed at all.

[Seafroggys]

I stoped watching the DVD from Endless Wire.

I wasn't impressed at all.

yeah it wasn't very good. I almost laughed when Roger started the bridge to WGFA like 8 bars early. :lol:

[Seafroggys]

Sweet. Somebody posted up the Woodstock bootleg of a bunch of songs that I've never seen before from that show (and bits that we've seen on TKAA, but from a different angle). Not that great (seeing as they were all tripping) but its a great epic show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEDdgkHYpoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GwKsCkEZxU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2m_3G6R6s&mode=related&search=

[JohnXDoe]

thanks for those, 'frroggys.

so far as the DVD, i remember a time not so long ago when The Who were incapable of putting on a listless show such as the one on the DVD. or even if its just the DVD production that is bad the band would come through, just like in all those piss poor bootlegs we watch. they are amazing. no more. now they have "on" nights and "off" nights. before, even an off night would put most other bands to shame. and i'm talking just four or so years ago. no longer. i like Endless Wire, I appreciate the tour, but part of me wishes now they wouldn't have done any of it.

man i don't now how to describe it. i love The Who, but part of me is sad and disappointed about the way they are ending it. or maybe its just the fact that its the end and it shows. i don't know? Rog has gotten so old. in just a few years. whole different performer, can't swing the mic because of shoulder surgery, Pete has aged as well, his leaping not so high anymore, his guitar not as explosive. they are creaking, the band plays along, and thats The Who. or is it?

please, someone set me straight :(

[Seafroggys]

If anything, Pete is more explosive then he's have been in awhile. I watch stuff from 10-15 years ago (the Quad and Tommy tours) and he's hardly as explosive as he is now.

But I agree with Roger.

I still think they kick ***, but after this they'll degrade to the point of mediocrity. This should be it (then again, that was said in 1982 ;) )

[6stringed]

Yeah I just got Tommy.

[DBoons Ghost]

Tommy is the most amazing album. Don't ever get the soundtrack to the movie, just get the album.

I saw The Who on the tour 3 days after Entwistle died a couple of years ago. They played MSG to a sold out audience and Pino Palladino did a fantastic job, even with struggling through My Generation. Mad props to Ringo's son for his drumming, but truly there is only one Keith Moon. They played all the classic greats. The only songs they played off Quad were Love Reign o'er Me and 5:15 which was fine with me but I would have loved to hear more.

The most impressive thing to me and to everyone I was with who saw them was how tight they were, as well how they seemed to epitomize that anthem rock band that was almost meant to play huge arenas. Songs like Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled Again had everyone with goosebumps, and songs like The Kids are Alright and I Can See For Miles blew everyone out of their seats in crazy singalongs. The only bad songs were Eminence Front, but they did Athena too and it was surprisingly amazing. I was upset they didn't play Join Together.

[Lunch]

Was it a poor performance of Eminence Front, or do you just not like the song?

[PinkFreud]

I love Eminence Front.

Roger's voice has actually aged very well. Whenever he performs "Real Good Looking Boy" his vocals are great.

[Lunch]

I also love Eminence Front.

[JohnXDoe]

they leave a lot of good stuff out of the sets. have for years. not such a big deal with all the new material they include now. unusual even for younger bands, but much else in the set remains the same. they could throw a curve ball in from time to time, but don't. and they have the musicians to do it. but meh...

i saw them at the Hollywood Bowl last month and unfortunately the set list was even tighter because they had lost their longtime keyboard player to an illness in his family. so a tech or two stood in. we got the hits, and the new stuff, Tommy encore. which i am tired of hearing and sounded a little tired on that night.

meh, 'froggys, pete is good still. but i tire of his newfound histrionics with all the excessive hammering and what not. i understand his sound has changed because of his hearing and he is still energetic, but he's also just going through the paces sometimes. understandable as he has been doing this a long time. but for me this end period has just seemed anti-climatic for a band like The Who. i'll get over it. i just feel like i'm starting with the band all over again and i don't know quite what to make of it. or them.

at thanksgiving my brother in laws father was in town. nice guy. mellow, warm, generous. tall, lean, balding, graying, 60 years old. ready for retirement in a few years. we put on a Beatles album and he started to bob his head a little, got into the music. i can see that. but the way he was standing there in his black jeans and shoes for an instant reminded me of Pete. and i tried to imagine him with a guitar strapped on, leaping in the air, windmilling. and i just couldn't get the picture. didn't seem right, didn't really fit. i kind of see pete the same, now. something doesn't quite fit. god bless him, but like i said i hope this is truly the end of "the leaping years" and The Who for pete. time to move on. they have given us much since the return in 1999. but this is it, IMO. and with John gone, as good as Pino is, on stage they suffer for it in sound and energy. i was looking at some stuff with John from 2000 on thewhotour.com and man, he was not to be replaced. he brought so much. meh....i am sad, but i'll work it out.

[wanderer]

New album is worst Pete Townshend record ever, however fact is still that Pete is now clearly more inspired about playing live than previous 2000 tours.... that's because of the new songs.... 2000 tour was meaningles bland
tour and Pete has far more energy now than then. Another sad fact is also that Pino sounds far superior than John did because of that disgusting overprocessed sound John ended up using (why on earth he did that !!).

And why the heck people still expect Pete to leap/windmill now, totally pathetic and ridiculous, would much rather see him stop that complately and just play... same with Roger's mic stuff.


But then again, I think Pete should have done solo record/tour, might have been actually GOOD record....

thanks for those, 'frroggys.

so far as the DVD, i remember a time not so long ago when The Who were incapable of putting on a listless show such as the one on the DVD. or even if its just the DVD production that is bad the band would come through, just like in all those piss poor bootlegs we watch. they are amazing. no more. now they have "on" nights and "off" nights. before, even an off night would put most other bands to shame. and i'm talking just four or so years ago. no longer. i like Endless Wire, I appreciate the tour, but part of me wishes now they wouldn't have done any of it.

man i don't now how to describe it. i love The Who, but part of me is sad and disappointed about the way they are ending it. or maybe its just the fact that its the end and it shows. i don't know? Rog has gotten so old. in just a few years. whole different performer, can't swing the mic because of shoulder surgery, Pete has aged as well, his leaping not so high anymore, his guitar not as explosive. they are creaking, the band plays along, and thats The Who. or is it?

please, someone set me straight :(

[Seafroggys]

Pete's windmilling is like the coolest thing about him. If he drops that, then.....****.

[JohnXDoe]

hey guys my desktop is fuc.kin' awesome :)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6485/wttsz8.jpg

[Seafroggys]

woah, now that ****ing rocks. :thumb:

[JohnXDoe]

i thought it was pretty freakin great myself. its like art. captures the moment perfectly. man The Who ARE beautiful. i think i'm getting my Who mojo back. :)

here's a clean copy for you and anyone who wants it. looks like Woodstock:

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5805/001gg4.jpg

[Lunch]

http://www.messyoptics.com/bird/Who-2.jpg

I'm using this one right now :cool:

[JohnXDoe]

man, thats nice as well. taken :)

i just downloaded 3600 high quality wallpapers from a top secret intraweb location using the FF extension "DownThemAll. that one popped up early while i was browsing. if i come across anymore Who in the collection i'll post 'em up.

[User Name]

My desktop is Keith's bass drum exploding from the Smothers Brothers show.

[JohnXDoe]

um share plzkthnx

[Seafroggys]

yeah JXD's is definitally Woodstock, I instantly recognize it as the end of their set. I'm thinking of wallpapering it now.

[JohnXDoe]

ok guys here is a nice little collection of wallpaper i grabbed out of the huge set i downloaded yesterday. 52 in all, high quality black and white picture book sort of stuff. its like a little history of early rock n roll. and yeah, two more Who shots....and a good number of early Beatles...

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=81D683A00F5CDA60

Enjoy...

[RNR]

Some good stuff in there. Thanks, man.

[robo2448]

My desktop is Bob Dylan. Screw the Who.

Just kidding, I used to have a Who desktop. I might have to steal one of those and go back. Those are pretty sweet. Right now I'm digging the Dylan desktop though.

[Seafroggys]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/kickass.jpg

this wallpaper pwns all of yours left and right.

[RNR]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/kickass.jpg

this wallpaper pwns all of yours left and right.

A crotch shot of Pete. Fantastic.

[JohnXDoe]

^ yeah lol. plus stretched out across my desktop it looks funny :-\

[Seafroggys]

meh, I uploaded it to photobucket and it shrunk it down to 800, it was 1024.

And a crotch shot of Pete > most things in life.

[RNR]

And a crotch shot of Pete > most things in life.

There's some truth to that.

^ yeah lol. plus stretched out across my desktop it looks funny :-\

:amaze:

[wanderer]

"Magic Bus" from Voorburg, Holland 1973 (only good thing about the show)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9H3vfQ828
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-InVJ3SMH4

[robo2448]

I used to have that same wallpaper that seafroggys has. It's pretty sweet.

[chorbalan]

Ok, I've heard a couple of Who songs etc, and I'm trying to get into them. What songs/albums should i look into?

[RNR]

Well which songs of theirs have you heard?

[Thunder Fingers]

would say the classics:
Tommy
Live At Leeds
Who's next
Quadrophenia

funny how thoose 4 come right after each other.. i guess pete was on a roll..

[wanderer]

would say the classics:
Tommy
Live At Leeds
Who's next
Quadrophenia

funny how thoose 4 come right after each other.. i guess pete was on a roll..


All of them.. all different from one another... get Pete solo stuff too

Sell Out = better than all those combined

[RNR]

Sell Out = better than all those combined

Oh come on. It's not THAT good.

[Thunder Fingers]

bah, nothing beats quad..

[wanderer]

Oh come on. It's not THAT good.

hell yeah,,, :)

[chorbalan]

Well which songs of theirs have you heard?

Behind Blue Eyes
Baba O'Riley
and a couple of songs i don't know the name of.

[Thunder Fingers]

then whos next is for you.

[RNR]

And Tommy and Quadrophenia for starters.

[Lunch]

Sell Out is teh pwn

[Seafroggys]

YES! I finally got Live at Leeds for Christmas. :D

One problem....I wanted the doulbe CD version with Tommy and everything. I don't know if I should just keep this one or maybe return it and pay the difference for the full version. But I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings by doing that.

Help here guys!

Also got the latest copy of Modern Drummer because the cover story was of Zack Starkey, it also has a little section on some of Keith Moon's drum parts.

[chorbalan]

And Tommy and Quadrophenia for starters.

are those albums or songs... sorry?

[Lunch]

YES! I finally got Live at Leeds for Christmas. :D

One problem....I wanted the doulbe CD version with Tommy and everything. I don't know if I should just keep this one or maybe return it and pay the difference for the full version. But I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings by doing that.

Help here guys!

Also got the latest copy of Modern Drummer because the cover story was of Zack Starkey, it also has a little section on some of Keith Moon's drum parts.

Get the full version for sure. I always feel awkward if I return gifts, but as a Tommy fan you owe it to yourself to own the deluxe edition.

[Seafroggys]

are those albums or songs... sorry?

albums, and song (Quadrophenia is the third track on the album)

[robo2448]

I agree with lunch.

[Thunder Fingers]

Watching "live at royal albert hall"

Pretty good concert, exept for:
- Kelly Jones from Stereophonics should never be allowed near a mic again.
- Eddie Vedder sounds like a goat.
- I simply dont like Bryan Adams, the only one who can sing "Behind Blue Eyes" correct is Roger.
- Entwistle is a little low in the mix, lacks a little in the low department(i thought he did one rig for lows and one for high?) and all the modelling effects in his rig make him sound little syntetic..

[RNR]

- Eddie Vedder sounds like a goat.
l

That made me giggle.

[Thunder Fingers]

where talking about the who based desktops..

i use this pic:
http://thispublicaddress.com/tPA1/images/06_2002/entwistle1.jpg

[Lunch]

Yea, I feel like all the guest appearences on Live at the Royal Albert Hall take away from the greatness of just the Who themselves, especially when they still had John.

[chorbalan]

I was looking up tabs for Boris the Spider, and on the side there was an add for those online instrument lessons that said "Learn to drum just like Pete Townshend in just 2 weeks"
:lol:

[Lunch]

That's why it only takes two weeks :p

[Thunder Fingers]

well, he did drum on a few songs on the new album?

[RNR]

I was looking up tabs for Boris the Spider, and on the side there was an add for those online instrument lessons that said "Learn to drum just like Pete Townshend in just 2 weeks"
:lol:

That's very accurate advertising.

[Ephemeral]

Oh boy I haven't posted in here for awhile. I took a bit of a break from The Who, a la John a couple months ago. I've been dwelling on what he had said, about this being the possible end of the Who, and it's kind of been getting me down. I don't know.

[RNR]

Umm, what? What are you talking about "end of the who" and all?

[JohnXDoe]

its the end of the road, RNR :upset:

[RNR]

wtf? That doesn't explain crap.

[Lunch]

What does it have to explain? How much more do you really think the Who have in them?

[RNR]

What does it have to explain? How much more do you really think the Who have in them?

The "end" could have meant a lot of things.

[Lunch]

Well in this case it probably means that Pete and Roger are too old to continue much past the current tour.

[RNR]

I thought it meant that they were dying.

[Lunch]

Well, they are dying...

[JohnXDoe]

onoes! :(

[Lunch]

Indeed :(

[Seafroggys]

Long live Rock!

[Ephemeral]

I'm not saying that they are too old or anything, I just feel that after this tour and the album and all they are begining to tire of themselves.

Hell, Pete Townshend hated The Who the moment he joined.

[Dragon_Prince]

Because I know you all got good music tastes here is a question.

Soon I'm going to have an album buying spree. This is what I thought of:

Sigur Ros - Aegotus Bjorn
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia/Lightbulb Sun
Queens Of The Stone Age - Lullabies To Paralyze
King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King

What are more bands/cds I need to have?

[robo2448]

fwqhgads makes a good point. Townsend always hated The Who. The entire time.

I finally got Endless Wire the day after Christmas with gift/exchange money and it's a pretty good cd. Obviously not The Who at their peak but I think it's at least better than Who Are You. And I haven't heard all of Facedances or It's Hard, but I would guess it's probably better than those too.

I'm really pissed I missed The Who on this last tour. Especially since tons of people from my school went, who only know "Teenage Wasteland" and have no idea Tommy even existed:(.

And Dragon Prince, judging from that list, it seems you're pretty interested in that spacey, ambient proggy sound. Check out The Arcade Fire. Funeral is an awesome cd and pretty similar to Sigur Rios. The Flaming Lips are awesome too, but they're psychedelic and trippy than spacey. They're both modern bands. In terms of older prog, you can't go wrong with Crimson, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull...

[wanderer]

rubbish, Townshend could easily continue to perform in future and I think he will. Daltrey not...

EW is not even as good as IH and compared to FD it's as total joke. Sonfwriting isn't as good as in any Pete solo stuff either, including definately most recent one.

[JohnXDoe]

lol wanderer. you know, you seem to know your stuff, so why you say outrageous things like Endless Wire isn't as good as Its Hard, i don't know? And while FD is a good album IMO, its not as good as EW even if EW is not perfect. nothing on FD can even touch Man In A Purple Dress, Mike Post Theme, Marty Robbins, or even 2000 Years, with the exception of You Better You Bet and Another Tricky Day. And the mini opera Wire And Glass is better then Face Dances or in its own way just as good, at least.. And Its Hard? Better then EW? Thats just a joke.

[wanderer]

lol wanderer. you know, you seem to know your stuff, so why you say outrageous things like Endless Wire isn't as good as Its Hard, i don't know? And while FD is a good album IMO, its not as good as EW even if EW is not perfect. nothing on FD can even touch Man In A Purple Dress, Mike Post Theme, Marty Robbins, or even 2000 Years, with the exception of You Better You Bet and Another Tricky Day. And the mini opera Wire And Glass is better then Face Dances or in its own way just as good, at least.. And Its Hard? Better then EW? Thats just a joke.

Nothing outrageous about it. Simple fact is that everything on FD songwriting wise is better than anything on EW which couldn't have been worse. Only two songs that showed the usual standard of Pete's songwriting were MPT and GSOMR. His songwriting has truly gone to toilet since (at least according to this record) since Psychoderelict (which had great memorable hooks/emotion/lyrics etc.). One can only pray that he released at least one more album just to show that he still has a good songwriting in him. This effort couldn't have been bigger disappointment regards to songwriting and singinging wise ( they left it too late, Roger has lost "IT" he once had, great (even good) voice is gone). sad but true.

[Seafroggys]

I'm really pissed I missed The Who on this last tour. Especially since tons of people from my school went, who only know "Teenage Wasteland" and have no idea Tommy even existed:(.

**** those bastards. Y'know, right before the Encore I ran down from my seat and got as close to the floor as I could get. The kid I was standing next to was with his girlfriend, and he only seemed to care about Pinball Wizard, he didn't seem to even remotely care about Amazing Journey, Sparks (!!!!!), or See Me Feel Me (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). ****ing ho.

[Danger Bird]

I thought the who was pretty unimpressive on that tour. I really tried to like them without Moon and Entwistle, but it just seemed like they lacked energy and had to depend on those stupid visuals.

[Seafroggys]

I thought the who was pretty unimpressive on that tour. I really tried to like them without Moon and Entwistle, but it just seemed like they lacked energy and had to depend on those stupid visuals.

I thought they kicked ***. Were you there? I entered a state of utter enlightment during the Tommy Encore. And no, no drugs whatsoever.

[JohnXDoe]

ATTN: LUNCH.....WTF, MAN! :smash:

[Lunch]

:shame:

Dude I've been sporting the Who for pretty much my entire time at MX. Where's your resolve?

:p

[JohnXDoe]

ok. i see your point. well you did hang in there long. and i would sport an X one. in fact if i win anything in this awards thing i'm gonna ask for a change. if i should be so blessed.

somehow i always make the switch. but i like big avators so have to be crafty or win something. i've wanted an oversized Townshend one from '79 doing a scissor kick. great shot. but i lost it on my otner HD and can't find it again on the internets. but X might be the way to go.

[JohnXDoe]

i didn't know about this. maybe you didn't, either:

http://www.whocollection.com/

pretty interesting site for the Who fanatic. only had time to briefly skim, but it looks pretty extensive.

[Lunch]

I didn't, cool site though. Thanks.

[Seafroggys]

http://www.whocollection.com/SavilleTheaterPhotoOct221967.jpg

hahah wtf?

[wanderer]

Pete & Rachel broadcasted "ITA show" tuesday. Apparently Pete played
'no face no name no number', so he will propably play that song during
Jim Capaldi tribute show.

http://www.intheattic.tv/rachel/

Maybe they will loop the show later....

[wanderer]

Interesting news. Some ahole bootleg collector in the thewhotour.com posted screencaptures from various never seen The Who video material including Houston 1971 show and just be even bigger ahole made a point telling people that general Who fans will never see it.

---
2 camera professional film - shot at Sam Houston Coliseum Houston Texas on December 1, 1971. The complete film runs 100 minutes.
--

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4742/peterogproshot41ww3.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2523/peterogproshot91ga2.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8997/rogerproshot41ah4.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1717/whonewproshot1ud5.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4093/whonewproshot7od5.jpg

[JohnXDoe]

thanks for those, wanderer.

do you post at thewhotour.com? if so what is your user name?

[Seafroggys]

I found the coolest site. Its a huge vault of many concerts during the 60s and 70s, mostly from the Fillmore. They have two of the Who at Fillmore East, one from '68 and one from '69. Audio and everything.

Here's the link to Fillmore '69:

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=945|7962

[Dragon_Prince]

The other day I listened to Tommy, Sparks, amazing journey, overture and underture, are just so good ^^

[JohnXDoe]

hey guys....

for those who may have missed the thread:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GC2DL3K4

1200 Who photos. Medium sized to small, varying degrees of quality, lots of good stuff for fans.

[Thunder Fingers]

Check my new listerud custom bass, entwistle tribute in every corner! :D

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505282

[Seafroggys]

Check my new listerud custom bass, entwistle tribute in every corner! :D

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505282

you build that?

That's like a mix of his Alembic from the 70s and what he played on his last 10 years (forgot what it was called, but it had the kickass Roman Numerals on it)

[Thunder Fingers]

no, a guy named Listerud makes it, to my specs.

And yes, i have asked it to be a mix of the Buzzard and the Spyder.

[sportsfan4427]

I found the coolest site. Its a huge vault of many concerts during the 60s and 70s, mostly from the Fillmore. They have two of the Who at Fillmore East, one from '68 and one from '69. Audio and everything.

Here's the link to Fillmore '69:

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=945|7962


pretty cool site

[Ephemeral]

bump

[JohnXDoe]

yeah so how about that Who. next leg of the tour starts soon and if they swing back my way i'll give the old men another shot.

in other news check a few posts above for 1200 Who photos and i'll be posting other Who related stuff in the days to come :)

[Seafroggys]

my favorite pic was the one of John's bass collection.

[Thunder Fingers]

Hmm.

Biamping sounds a hell alot of better on CD than DVD..

now Entwistle actually have some bass at Live at royal albert hall, you can weakly hear that anoying "Treble Syntetic fuzz" but the bass overpowers it so it actually sounds good :p On the DVD you mainly hear the fuzz.

[RNR]

The bass solo on 5:15 on that




:eek:

Yep.

Good bass tone too.

[JohnXDoe]

<-----------------:D



thanks for the support, Lunch.....



......and since we are on the subject can someone explain to me what John did with his bass sound in the later years of The Who? i've read he changed his sound or switched from the all wood bass to a more refined/manufactured one and this affected his sound/tone adversely. less thunder and boom and more, well, refinement? i hear it, too. he doesn't seem to be as loud, and even when so not as powerful. he was an excellent musician but is it possible he may have "lost a step" due to his partying or is this simply something he thought was more becoming of a bass player of his skill. i really have no idea? :confused:

[Seafroggys]

that is.....by far the best avatar of all time.

I think John was experiementing with sound ideas, personally.

[sportsfan4427]

that avatar is pretty sweet

[Lunch]

Possibly his hearing concerns encouraged a change? I don't really know.

[JohnXDoe]

hmm... i didn't know john had hearing concerns. pete, yeah, and i know he made some changes on account. then i figured maybe john made some changes for pete, but i doubt his bass sound would affect pete onstage. i'll have to dig up some info, perhaps...
that avatar is pretty sweet
yeah i like it. and i gave up a great one for it. such is my love of The Who :D

[Lunch]

I remember reading a story once about a joint interview with Pete and John, when Pete was asked about his hearing problems. John didn't even hear the question.

[Thunder Fingers]

sounds like dry john humor not hearing the question..

atleast as i have gotten to learn of his instructional and "A ox's tale" DVD's... or his comments on "Live at the royal albert hall" for that mather.

"i wish i got a couple thousands of pounds each time i introduced this song...

OH! I have! haha!

MY WIFE!"

[Seafroggys]

hahaha that's hilarious! When did he say that?

[Thunder Fingers]

read the description :p

Right before "My wife" on "Live at the Royal albert hall" (his last who concert ever..)

its such a shame he became such big inspiration and mentor to me after his death, i would have loved to see the man live, he died way to young.

ah well, atleast he went out in true rock'n'roll style.

[Seafroggys]

I thought the Live at the Albert Hall was their 2000 concert, not the 2002 concert.

[wanderer]

I thought it was common knowledge that Entwistle had been pretty deaf for long time.
I remember someone talking about how John was on some UK TV "comedy quiz show" (?) long ago and couldn't almost hear any of the quuestions...

[Seafroggys]

Pete was the one that's famous for being deaf, not John.

I've heard of Roger having some hearing problems, but never John having any.

[Thunder Fingers]

huh, thats true, he died in june and the 2002 one was in february.

i dunno where i have gotten that the 2000 one was his last? :confused:

oh well, anyway pieces of his last concert is on the LIve at royal albert hall CD, as the 3rd "bonus" disc is from 2002.

Townshend said late bandmate John Entwistle also suffered hearing problems, causing him to play out of time at a Who concert in 2000

Jupp.

[Grohlthegreat]

Pete was the one that's famous for being deaf, not John.



Pete is partially deaf and suffers from tinnitus. :chug:

[JohnXDoe]

yeah i guess you don't play in a band like The Who and come out with perfect hearing. guess John had the bad hearing as well. and roger must to some extant. small price to pay at the end, i suppose. but i know with pete it caused some pain, so that was unfortunate. and of course the tinnitus. pete has said recently that his hearing problems were somewhat exaggerated, though. even by him. or at least as of late, as he said he was pretty stable now and not deaf or threatening to go deaf.

still it did cause him to give up electric guitar in live performance for awhile and even now he only plays the Eric Clapton Signature Strat onstage, so thats pretty serious if you ask me. sure wish he could pick up that old SG or Les Paul for a go or two....

and.....i wanted to post these for Lunch...from the 1976 Oakland gig with the Dead...grabbed them from pete's site....and the last is a recent shot from a magazine. just funny, really. typical acerbic pete...

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3838/keithpetewhodead769vw.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4451/petejerry2764ik.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3144/petejerry767id.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7614/loreswho28sh.jpg

[wanderer]

Pete was the one that's famous for being deaf, not John.

I've heard of Roger having some hearing problems, but never John having any.

Entwistle was more deaf than Townshend.....

[wanderer]

sounds like dry john humor not hearing the question..


No, it wasn't case of humour...

[JohnXDoe]

Entwistle was more deaf than Townshend.....
good morning, wanderer. do you post at thewhotour.com? if so what is your username? i posted there a little, but haven't for awhile.

also for Lunch, in case you missed these at the bottom of the previous page....

.....from the 1976 Oakland gig with the Dead...grabbed them from pete's site....and the last is a recent shot from a magazine. just funny, really. typical acerbic pete...

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3838/keithpetewhodead769vw.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4451/petejerry2764ik.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3144/petejerry767id.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7614/loreswho28sh.jpg

[Lunch]

Wow, great pictures, thanks for those JXD.

I can't imagine what a conversation between Pete and Jerry would be like.

I have the Dead show from 10/9/1976, the first of the Oakland shows with the Who. Talk about a dream concert for me...

[RNR]

I don't even want to take a stab at it.

[JohnXDoe]

i imagine jerry is trying to get pete to loosen up and pete is probably going on about troubles in the world and punk rock coming and "it" being all over. jerry is like "c'mon man, loosen up. have a shroom cap. life is good, man" and pete is like "i gotta stop drinking and write me another mini opera." and jerry's like ":rolleyes: :smoke:"

[RNR]

Actually, that sounds about right.

[Lunch]

Haha, I was thinking along the same lines.

[Seafroggys]

I agree.....for the last concert of this tour, Pete needs to whip out the SG.

[RNR]

Pete is pretty happy with his Fender guitars and amp. And I would be too. Fender Strats>Sgs

[ghettoeddo]

im planning on seeing these guys in DC *crosses fingers*

[Seafroggys]

Pete is pretty happy with his Fender guitars and amp. And I would be too. Fender Strats>Sgs

blasphemy!

At least play a regular Strat, and not some other guitarists signature model :P

Naw SGs sound much better anyway.

[wanderer]

No, I don't post at thewhotour.com.

Pete's strat/"current amp" sound is the worst sound he has ever had. It's terrible.Also the man should be banned from using whammybar...

I understand that one (both) Oakland show was filmed. I remember that there has been some talk about it... ?

Also, Pete indeed played 'No Face, No Name, No Number' last weekend during
Jim Capaldi tribute show.


Pete Townshend - 1979 Secret Policeman's Ball Drowned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t9slqL_eSw

[Seafroggys]

haha yeah he's not too good with the whammy bar....overuses it like hell.

[RNR]

Maybe it doesn't sound as good for his overdrive but his clean tone is much better. I'd rather have bad overdrive than bad clean tone if I was playing what they do. Lets face it, Marshall + SG sucks for clean in comparison but a Fender guitar and amp are fantastic.

[robo2448]

http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=9730

New Pete interview. Good read.

[Lunch]

Nice link. Good pictures in that article.

[JohnXDoe]

yeah that was really well done. enjoyed it a lot.

[Seafroggys]

Learning French.

Priceless :lol:

[robo2448]

Haha yeah. Pete's always a comedian.

I like how honest he is answering the questions though. It's nice to see someone who's not afraid to be honest. Pete's honesty has gotten him in trouble before, because he never really knows when to shutup, but it means that his interviews are always entertaining, and here he's really honest and insightful without saying anything jerky and stupid. I like the stuff he said about Mehmet Baba a lot. And about being unhappy when The Who were at their peak. And about the current Who being different, not better or worse. And just about everything else he said.

[Seafroggys]

Hey guys, want to see my great Keith Moon imitation?

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4919919&q=hi

[wanderer]

Pete playing at Jim Capaldi tribute show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC4YovsKR18

[JohnXDoe]

Hey guys, want to see my great Keith Moon imitation?

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4919919&q=hi
wow that was quite excellent. you nail it. i think that is my fave part of the song. i wish all the Who's drummers played it just like that on stage. something about it is just perfect for that segment of the song. its as if Moon understood he was to add to the suspense before Daltrey kicked in, not end the suspense with some big showy solo....i wonder if pete came up with that, though? i've never heard a demo for WGFA so i don't know....
Pete playing at Jim Capaldi tribute show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC4YovsKR18
thanks wanderer. nice performance. i also like when pete basically calls the heckler in the audience a cun.t. good 'ol pete....cracks me up....

[Seafroggys]

I actually like what Zak does for that solo (and his is technically harder) but I know what you mean....Keith's version is ace in that it builds into the scream, rather than being a wankfest.

[wanderer]

thanks wanderer. nice performance. i also like when pete basically calls the heckler in the audience a cun.t. good 'ol pete....cracks me up....

He was refering to person who shouted same thing at same building in 1974 during his first solo show. Threre's a great boot of that show.

[Meatplow]

I just listened to Tommy, the first Who experience of mine.

I find it a really strange listen, i don't know how to feel about it. Certainly need a bit more time to appreciate it i think.

[Dragon_Prince]

Listen to it, very much. All the instrumentals rule :)

[JohnXDoe]

I just listened to Tommy, the first Who experience of mine.

I find it a really strange listen, i don't know how to feel about it. Certainly need a bit more time to appreciate it i think.
Tommy has never caught on with me. Studio, live, or otherwise. I'm not sure if i would recommend it to anyone as a place to start with The Who, althoguh picking a place to start with The Who can be a bit of difficult business.

I like Tommy ok. I hear and realize its value. And I hate to say its overrated, I just think its merits are overstated.

[Meatplow]

I've given in a couple of informal listens since, it's starting to click very nicely. I had a look at the story interpretation as well which i found interesting.

The first things that really grabbed me when i listened to it was the guitar instrumental at the end of Overture, the rhythmic pattern to Sparks, and a lot of Keith Moon's drum parts (you can feel the energy behind his playing i swear). Cousin Kevin really creeped me out as well. The rest of it seems nicely arranged as i listen to it again.

I can see what you mean as perhaps a difficult starting point JXD. I'm liking it though.

[JohnXDoe]

well i'm glad you find it challenging. it is that. and upon the first several listens (and beyond) it is an interesting album. still is to my ears, tbh. but it just never "clicked" for me like it has others. lately a little more so, but not quite completely. i kinda see Tommy as The Who's odd man out sort of album. doesn't quite fit them. although some say the same of my favorite Who album, Quadrophenia. which i think is "100% Who", however ambitious. so it goes between the Tommy and Quadrophenia Who factions....two sides of the same coin, we are....

[Seafroggys]

yeah I'm a Tommy lover all the way. Quad took me awhile to "click" but it definitally clicks with me now.

I think Tommy is very cool to me is because the moment I completely fell in love with the Who was watching "SEe Me Feel Me" on The Kids Are Alright, it just clicked instantly and I was in love.

[User Name]

You know which albums don't get enough recognition? A Quick One and The Who By Numbers. I really like both of them.

[Seafroggys]

Both of those are next on my list, actually.

[wanderer]

I like Tommy/Quad but not even close to 'Sell out'...

Here is great videos from 1981 Essen show
It's such a shame what happened to Entwistle's bass sound in late 80s ?. He still had such great sound before that. I have never quite understoodd what happened and I still wonder if it had something to do with his hearing ?.
Not to even mention Pete who sadly little later discovered the "joy" of the ridulous type of "soloing/whammybar obsession" thing that he simply doesn't have the technique to do and it' just bad.

Another Tricky Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmbHNtUOI_A

You Better You Bet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf2fjsL1UtQ

Quiet One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PZ_4HHZxI

Drowned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0lFwi5v2GY

Summertime Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHJjs8NxmA

[Seafroggys]

Quiet One is awesome. It rocks real hard. Pete's soloing is at his best (unlike now ;) )

Summertime Blues was also killer. One of the best versions.

[JohnXDoe]

i just watched these also. thanks wanderer.

Another Tricky Day is a top five fave Who song for me. and yeah, SB and Quiet One sound great. i've said it before and i'll say it again i believe the '79 to '81 Who is as good live as the band had ever been. not as spontaneous, but something is there that is great. they just sound, play, and perform so good....

[Dragon_Prince]

Listening to The Amazing Journey :)

Just gotto love that one :)

[Ephemeral]

I'm going to try posting here a bit more. : (

[Lunch]

Amazing Journey>Sparks is still what it's all about, even after all these years.

That and the Sell Out album.

[JohnXDoe]

The Punk And The Godfather>Dr Jimmy is still what its all about, even after all these years.

That and the Live At Leeds album.

[Lunch]

Except those songs don't even come close to following each other :confused:

[JohnXDoe]

the who don't give a fuc.k. :smoke:


/speaks 4 the who

[wanderer]

More Essen videos

Who Are You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMAUdG6KmM

515
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbYOMXhHtmU

You Better You Bet (better quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKDDl5yOwhQ

what a marvelous sound that schecter/amp combo was...

[Lunch]

the who don't give a fuc.k. :smoke:

But...but...there's no ">" if the songs don't follow each other...