Children Of Bodom

[unknownsoldier12]

I can't record at this time...

I got rid of my GNX4 about 5 months ago :upset:


DuCran : awesome man :thumb: make sure I get to hear that

[MRDuCran]

I just hit 180bpm.

As I said earlier, I sometimes mess up because I only spent 5 minutes learning it yesterday so I just need to remember it a little more but I might go over and shoot for 200bpm and record it this evening. I'll be using a clean tone too because it sounds better and it's easier to control at that speed.

Edit: I just listened to the song and it's actually about 202/204 kinda speed so I got some work to do.

[repcak]

i'm learning the warm-up exercises which roope and alexi are playing in the youg-guitar video at the beginning.

[unknownsoldier12]

Id shoot for 220 in that case DuCran

[Ghosts Revenge]

hey unknownsoldier, you like recordings?

what do you think about this one? i think this guy rulez
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/Death.mp3

[unknownsoldier12]

sweet man, hopefully this will load up for me....


nope, no dice. Can you upload that mp3 to yousendit.com, and send me the link?

thanks in advance

[Ghosts Revenge]

pls, here it is:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=64D171890B66430F

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Decent enough; I could tell the song at least :)

Get the harmony in there and it'd pwn.

[Ghosts Revenge]

what do you mean by harmony?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

The other harmonising guitar.

[unknownsoldier12]

damn, i can't get that to work either :/


/tries something else

[Ghosts Revenge]

The other harmonising guitar.
ah, yeah... well, this guy should have done it...

[MRDuCran]

Ok Ghosts Revenge and Zombies Ate my Neightbours, who the hell are you?

It seems to me like you've both been here before and these are other accounts...

And why are you posting repcaks recording?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Why are you demanding to know me, what does it matter ?

[TheShaneOMac]

I like COB, they are really catchy. Good melodies and harmonies for sure. Lyrics blow dicks though but I guess that doesn't matter for their style of music.

[repcak]

what the hell is going on here?

[repcak]

hm... my wrist starts hurting recently when practising "wolf and raven" by sonata arctica... would like to know why...

[Shadows Within]

bout to ask the same question...

are you guys doing Vivaldi thing? cause your gonna need a guitar synth for that to work...

Jani is a beast on that song.

[repcak]

vivaldi... jani... keyboards? are you talkin about a different version as the one from young-guitar?

[Ghosts Revenge]

Ok Ghosts Revenge and Zombies Ate my Neightbours, who the hell are you?

It seems to me like you've both been here before and these are other accounts...

And why are you posting repcaks recording?
scared?

booo!

[unknownsoldier12]

bout to ask the same question...

are you guys doing Vivaldi thing? cause your gonna need a guitar synth for that to work...

Jani is a beast on that song.

That track is in the wings for me atm. Im having fun with towards dead end atm.

I wouldnt care about not having a synth. It can sound metalish, thats fine with me

[repcak]

@kurrpt: i know i asked you this once, but i once again forgot. how do you mute the string while doing descending legato?
do you mute the upper string with your index, so that you don't use your index-fingertip but your äh... how to say that.. hm... you use your whole finger instead of the fingertip so you still mute the upper string with the end of your finger...

hope, you understand what i try to say...

[Shadows Within]

vivaldi... jani... keyboards? are you talkin about a different version as the one from young-guitar?

No I was refering to the yung guitar, I was talking to you about Jani, I was saying hes a beast in "Wolf & Raven".

where the hell did you get keyboards from?

[unknownsoldier12]

what i do is use my palm (picking hand) to mute strings E A and D (gererally speaking terms here)

I'll use my index to mute G, B, and E


sure, if im doing legato, lets say on the A or D string, i will use my index of my fret hand to mute the E string as well.

I try to get into the habbit of muting every string im not playing at all times, considering i like to play with a considerable amount of gain

[repcak]

No I was refering to the yung guitar, I was talking to you about Jani, I was saying hes a beast in "Wolf & Raven".

where the hell did you get keyboards from?

ah ... jani from sonata, ok :)

keyboards? i have a keyboard at home, but never used it... or do you mean something else.

what i do is use my palm (picking hand) to mute strings E A and D (gererally speaking terms here)

I'll use my index to mute G, B, and E


sure, if im doing legato, lets say on the A or D string, i will use my index of my fret hand to mute the E string as well.

I try to get into the habbit of muting every string im not playing at all times, considering i like to play with a considerable amount of gain
ah, ok thanks.

i try to learn now the warm up by alexi and roope from the young guitar video with both techniques... normal + legato.

i now tried some descending legato and i can mute them better as some weeks ago, without using my picking hand... so only the fretting hand... thats soo fukking great :D

right before i move to the next string i release my finger, but for a short moment i touch the string to stop it from "ringing"... like muting while doing sweeps.

btw. i can play 4-strings-arpeggios at the speed of 80bpm, 16th notes :)

[unknownsoldier12]

thats not bad at all. As long as you DONT rush it and take your time, you should be constantly moving that up.

Ive some what hung up on 140 bpm, 16ths. Thats not to say i havent done sweeps faster, but i dont feel the "control" im looking for is there 100% of the time. To me, if its not 100% proficient, im seriously wasting my time

[repcak]

there is only one shape i can do at 80bpm, 16th notes :p and double-triplets at 80bpm (if i do 3-string sweeps) ... double-triplets = sixlets? (6notes each beat)

[unknownsoldier12]

double triplets would be 6 beats a click, where as 16ths is 4 beats a click

ive started working on really weird shapes at the moment. I'm sick of doing the same exercise over and over just to increase the metronome. I figure the more shapes I become proficient at, the better I would be at sweeping in general

[Forlorn Hope]

What exactly did Alexi and Roope use to get the violin type sound from the guitar in Passage To The Reaper?

Also if anyone can recommend good wireless systems for around $200 that would be great :D

[repcak]

^^
have you seen the shapes of jani's demonstration in the young guitar video? the arpeggios he is doing are the most beautifullest arpeggios i've ever heard (melody-wise) (imo)

edit:
What exactly did Alexi and Roope use to get the violin type sound from the guitar in Passage To The Reaper?

i don't know but i would guess: less gain, mids in the midle/low, more treble, bass midle... or something like that....

[unknownsoldier12]

synth apparently...


link me to some tab Repcak. Ill definitely check em out.

Rusty Cooley also had some good shapes I've been working on as well

[repcak]

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=ACB3FCBE1131FEFE

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

The Get out of my Yard sweeps are interesting to say the very very least.

Unholy would be another.

[repcak]

Get out of my Yard is so fukking great

NP: Get out of my Yard - Paul gilbert

[Shadows Within]

Get out of my Yard is so fukking great

NP: Get out of my Yard - Paul gilbert

Dear god that was insane, I just watched a live vid on youtube...

thats paul for ya

[repcak]

there's a video? have to see it...eh... bad quality


btw. the ryhthm to dargor, shadowlord of the black mountain by rhapsody ... the riff i recommended for the Riff game isn't that easy... have problems... but, i just learn it since 5min... :p

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

the video isnt really like hte track at all ..

[MRDuCran]

Very true ^^. Although I have a tab which shows it's possible to play the studio version with string skipping which is probably how he played it. The live version is just him improvising.

are you guys doing Vivaldi thing? cause your gonna need a guitar synth for that to work...

Not necessary.

What exactly did Alexi and Roope use to get the violin type sound from the guitar in Passage To The Reaper?

Roope Latvala does not use a synth of any sort in that video. I can understand why people think he does because his guitar is mixed pretty low in comparison to everything else but there's a seperate synth track doubling everything Roope plays and it's actually a little louder than his guitar. Just listen to the parts where Alexi stops playing and you can quite clearly hear a synth sound and a guitar sound.

[MRDuCran]

For anyone that cares, the new Sinergy album has had its release date pushed back into 2007 instead of 2006, around this time.

[unknownsoldier12]

i have yet to hear any sinergy

are they like CoB?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

The only tab I have for Get out of my Yard is the sweep picking one, well, it's sort of sweep.

Infact it's just solid.

[repcak]

2007? :( bad news.... we have to wait another year. next cob album will be 2008 then :/

sinergy is like the power metal version of the early children of bodom... excellent!!

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Doesnt necessarily mean CoB's will have to wait til 2008.

[repcak]

they are on tour till the end of 2006, and i can't imagine they will record an album early 2006, go on tour again and alexi will have enough time to record an album for sinergy ...

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

People like Devin Townsend chuck out several albums a year, from several bands even with tour after tour.

That and producting other peoples albums.

[MRDuCran]

they are on tour till the end of 2006, and i can't imagine they will record an album early 2006, go on tour again and alexi will have enough time to record an album for sinergy ...


No, the Sinergy album is already 90% recorded. Apparantly it's just a few guitar tracks and maybe some vocals that need doing. CoB's next studio album is due Autumn 2007.

The only tab I have for Get out of my Yard is the sweep picking one, well, it's sort of sweep.

Someone on the Racer X boards re-arranged it so it's was string skipping and it looks much more playable, but still extremely difficult.


Check out Kurrpt and his 999 posts. :cool:

Here's a kickass Sinergy song:
http://media.putfile.com/Sinergy---I-Spit-on-your-Grave

[repcak]

which post exactly?

[MRDuCran]

What?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Do you mind uploading the tab of it as string skipping ?

Sadl,y both that tab and mine are wrong; the guitar is tuned in octaves, which is why he uses the double neck live.

[repcak]

Check out Kurrpt and his 999 posts
this, or did you mean that he reached his 999th post?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

That's what his post says.

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, im sure that will disappear again once the guitar community thread is deleted

[MRDuCran]

Do you mind uploading the tab of it as string skipping ?

Sadl,y both that tab and mine are wrong; the guitar is tuned in octaves, which is why he uses the double neck live.

Good ****ing luck.

http://download.yousendit.com/BFA1C47F0B85DBC2

this, or did you mean that he reached his 999th post?

He had 999 posts when I wrote it...

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Hmm, debatable which version is easier.

FFS.

[MRDuCran]

Well Paul claims it's impossible to play so I wouldn't even try. Learn it on keys or something.

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

It'll be my backburner piece for the next few years.

Sigh, 7 years of playing and i still havent scratched the surface of his playing haha.

[MRDuCran]

That's not suprising, he's ridiculously good.

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

I know.

People seem much harsher when you have less posts than normal.

[MRDuCran]

Uh?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

This is my account for when i'm banned.

It's interesting to see how differently people treat you when your post count differs or people jsut dont know who you are.

[MRDuCran]

Indeed. Unfortunately for people like Dylan, people will always dislike him as soon as they realise it's him, which doesn't take long.

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

lmao :lol:

[MRDuCran]

Looks like he's given up on MX now, he said he would but noone believed him at the time.

[unknownsoldier12]

Who is Dylan DuCran?

[repcak]

Dylan had 10000 accounts... battle in time, charming, cricket

the guy who has 3th most posts ITT, but got banned forever

btw. what is your old account, undead?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Looks like he's given up on MX now, he said he would but noone believed him at the time.

I think im gonna do the same as of Sunday, well, i really hope i do.

[repcak]

why is the tab with string skipping impossible to play? its fast but not impossible....


... and who are you zombie? what was your name before you got banned?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

look at the tuning too

string skips at that speed are solid

[repcak]

solid yeah, but it doesn't seem to be impossible to play for guitarists like vai, satch, petrucci and gilbert.

... you don't wanna say who you are, right?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Gilbert says he finds it extremely hard, that how hard it is.

[repcak]

i give up... you just don't want to reveal your ex-account :(

[MRDuCran]

solid yeah, but it doesn't seem to be impossible to play for guitarists like vai, satch, petrucci and gilbert.

... you don't wanna say who you are, right?

Try and play it as slow as you can...can you even stretch that...?

[unknownsoldier12]

whats the stretch DuCran?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Ill admit, layed out linearly like that, it looks ok. But when you get your guitar out and you have trouble getting your right hand to cross the strings, then you see the speed, consistency and fluidness of how PG plays it, then youll think 'oh crap'.

[MRDuCran]

whats the stretch DuCran?

Haven't you looked at the tab? It's on the previous page I think.

There's 13-18-22, 10-14-18.

Paul says it's impossible so it is.

[unknownsoldier12]

i might be able to do that....

in like 3 weeks of practice :lol:

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

It's reminiscent of the opening run to Technical Difficulties' solo [if you dont play it as the pentatonic box shape]

[repcak]

oh, ****... i haven't seen the stretches :eek:

so, how does he recorded it? or, there is maybe a different way to play it.

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

That tab is how he played it, he uses a double neck guitar to facilitate the different tuning live.

I have a version of it played in E standard, sort of sweep picked.

[MRDuCran]

That tab is how he played it, he uses a double neck guitar to facilitate the different tuning live.

I have a version of it played in E standard, sort of sweep picked.

He hasn't played it live though. :confused:

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

He has tbh.

[MRDuCran]

He has tbh.

That intro part...?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Yeah, at a few clinics and alike.

[MRDuCran]

I've only seen one video and he just plays some random Giblert licks and then screams Get Out of my Yard into his pickups. Is there a video of it?

[repcak]

there are things in the world we will never understand! one of the things is how ppl like paul gilbert are able to play such things....

:rolleyes:

[repcak]

omg... i see copyright problems here:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_9221

[MRDuCran]

omg... i see copyright problems here:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_9221

Actually, that came out before Are You Dead Yet.

They moaned at Bodom for it and made a comment like, "don't they have Google in Finland", or something like that. It wasn't a personal comment directly to the band but they said it somewhere.

I'm off to go practise the Midnight Madness solo for a while.

[unknownsoldier12]

Im back to practicing the Universal Mind intro on a daily basis...

I was using the metronome on that for 45 minutes straight last night :lol:

[MRDuCran]

Well that's what it takes, unfortunately. I'm getting really bored of actually practising, but being able to play hard stuff is a great feeling, it's just the journey there sucks.


I have a picking question (omg). It's more of a blues thing and I've never practised it before because I thinkz bl00s iz teh ghey, etc.

So:

E------5------------5-------
B----5---8p5----5--8p5--- etc
G-7b---------7b-----------

Now it's all in triplets, but it's a 5 note repeating pattern so it creates an interesting feel over a 4/4 beat.

Would you pick it:

Down, down, down, up...and then repeat?

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

I would probably alt pick the lot of it.

You could always play - D D D U, the for the 2nd 7b continue with an upstroke, then down for the 5 on the b string, Like a full sweep pattern.

[AA-12]

/joins in sucking off gilbert

:-|

[repcak]

Well that's what it takes, unfortunately. I'm getting really bored of actually practising, but being able to play hard stuff is a great feeling, it's just the journey there sucks.


yeah, i feel the same... i just picked up my guitar and will practise till midnight. visit mx from time to time :p


which solo to you practise? which band?

[MRDuCran]

I would probably alt pick the lot of it.

You could always play - D D D U, the for the 2nd 7b continue with an upstroke, then down for the 5 on the b string, Like a full sweep pattern.

Hmm, that could work. I'll go try it even though I'll probably fail miserably because I've never played that lick before in my life. :wave:

And it's 8th triplets at 200bpm...<_<

Good luck to me.

which solo to you practise? which band?

ssendaM thgindiM yb ygreniS

:)

[Zombies Ate My Neighbours]

Heh, good luck.

[unknownsoldier12]

Well that's what it takes, unfortunately. I'm getting really bored of actually practising, but being able to play hard stuff is a great feeling, it's just the journey there sucks.


I have a picking question (omg). It's more of a blues thing and I've never practised it before because I thinkz bl00s iz teh ghey, etc.

So:

E------5------------5-------
B----5---8p5----5--8p5--- etc
G-7b---------7b-----------

Now it's all in triplets, but it's a 5 note repeating pattern so it creates an interesting feel over a 4/4 beat.

Would you pick it:

Down, down, down, up...and then repeat?

I tend to economy pick those type of arpeggios

i would do it

up up down down up up down down

looking at it in that fashion, its pretty easy to tell it would fit 4/4

[repcak]

i have to spend every day the exact amount of time for playing guitar.

if i play 2h hours every day and once i play for 4hours my wrist hurts... its not because of bad technique, its because of stretching, and difficult songs... i hate it... today its the same... made a pause for one day, played for 4hours yesterday and today i can't play any difficult songs... only easy ones, with easy fingerings...
but to be sure i would ask my guitar teacher next time if i hold my wrist in the right position... but this will be in october...

or i just rush to much in stretching my sinews

[unknownsoldier12]

take small breaks in between....

you'll learn that giving your brain time to "catch up" is very beneficial.

If you've ever worked on a riff and were having difficult and couldn't understand why exactly, woke up the next day and it was much easier, it gives you an idea of what im talking about

[repcak]

i should take breaks... but while playing guitar you use muscles... if you run 5km every day and on the other day 45km you will break down. you just can't.
playing guitar is all about muscles and when i play one day too much, its too much and on the next day i have to play less or make a one-day break. i know all that, but i can't do much about it... some days i just don't wanna play much or don't have the time, and when i have time and have fun i don't wanna stop.
yesterday i just couldn't stop, i wished i could play till 2-3am but i have to wake up at 8am so i went to bed. today i played for 1 1/2h and now i will stop - i don't want to make it worse and hope tomorrow everything will be ok again.


btw. i just realized that i never really learnt a solo :eek: i play leads, licks, scale-runs, riffs but i never learnt a "solo" from a song... i have to change that, but most are just too boring or too difficult for me.

[Ghosts Revenge]

btw. i just realized that i never really learnt a solo :eek: i play leads, licks, scale-runs, riffs but i never learnt a "solo" from a song... i have to change that, but most are just too boring or too difficult for me.

lol

[repcak]

wtf are you? and why are you laughing... can you pls leave this thread in peace ?... or even better... just leave MX.

don't speak to me anymore, thanks

[unknownsoldier12]

learning some one else's solos is really overrated to begin with, IMO, so i wouldn't worry about it

[Ghosts Revenge]

hm... maybe...


btw. i just wanted to make a small discussion with repcak and ghost; i.a.w.: with me and myself :D

it was really a big fun, but i thought if i will do it, and reveal my secret in the end, both accounts will be banned. so i will stop now...

summary: Ghosts Revenge = repcak
it was funny that you just didn't got it :p

[MRDuCran]

Haha I've learnt nearly all of Alexi's solos. :p

[Ghosts Revenge]

all? and mastered all?

proof it...

[MRDuCran]

I said:

I've LEARNT, which means I know what he's playing.

And I said NEARLY ALL, which doesn't mean all of.

I didn't say MASTERED or got 100% UP TO SPEED.

proove*

:thumb:

[unknownsoldier12]

i only learned one so far

[repcak]

well, if that's so you can "learn" everything by Paul Gilbert... even Get out of my Yard

:lol:

[unknownsoldier12]

im a little confused by that post...

[repcak]

why?

[MRDuCran]

well, if that's so you can "learn" everything by Paul Gilbert... even Get out of my Yard

:lol:

Yep.

I can already play the first minute or so of The Curse of Castle Dragon up to speed.

[repcak]

yeah, this song is great.

i listened to the whole album today, and i have to say that only 20-30% of the song are really amazing and great. the other ones are just not 100% my style - i prefer the "metal-style paul gilbert" instead of all the others styles he can play.

[MRDuCran]

Me too. I was hoping it'd be more Racer X style stuff. :(

[repcak]

yeah... Racer X and Mr. Big

i have to listen more to Mr. Big.....

/gn8

[MRDuCran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu9_gg277wU

:upset:

[ghettoeddo]

oh dang son.
i should hear racer X...

[AA-12]

You guys play too much. Nowadays I play like 15-20 minutes total each few days.

[MRDuCran]

You guys play too much. Nowadays I play like 15-20 minutes total each few days.

That sucks, I don't play enough.

I play about an hour a day now instead of what I'd like which is like 7. I'm seriously slacking off.

[AA-12]

Meh, I just could care less about technicality anymore.

[MRDuCran]

I'd like to think that, but then I'd be lying to myself.

I listen to Racer X and Bodom and I'd die to be able to play that stuff right now, I just wish I'd started playing earlier like these guys, at least I'd have a chance then. I know I'll get there in a few years but it'll feel crap playing stuff like that when I'm 24 or whatever when these guys wrote it all and playing it flawlessly when they were 18/19.

[Shattered_Future]

I stopped playing once I was able to do 16th note sweeps at 350 BPM.

[Drunken Viking]

Pfft, n00b, I stopped when I could do 32nd note sweeps 3 fingered, at 400 BPM in every time signature known to man.

[Shadows]

That sucks, I don't play enough.

I play about an hour a day now instead of what I'd like which is like 7. I'm seriously slacking off.
I don't play enough either. I shhot for at least two solid hours and lately it's been playing dispersed in 3-4 hours. Good stuff.

And sweep picking is very frustrating.

[Huber]

I've had to many years playing without proper teaching, now I have a college professor teaching me all this good technique and it's going to take a whole lot of practice to change my bad habits :(

[ghettoeddo]

Pfft, n00b, I stopped when I could do 32nd note sweeps 3 fingered, at 400 BPM in every time signature known to man.

including 69/42?

[Drunken Viking]

including 69/42?
I laugh at your 69/42. Try 87/64 then get back to me.

[Luc214]

Pfft, n00b, I stopped when I could do 32nd note sweeps 3 fingered, at 400 BPM in every time signature known to man.

That's not humanly possible.

[Drunken Viking]

Maybe not for a n00b.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

You guys play too much. Nowadays I play like 15-20 minutes total each few days.
Meh, I just could care less about technicality anymore.
You must be reading my mind, or something. This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

Although I did record the guitar for Judas Priest's The Hellion for an assignment today.

[Benzum]

Pfft, n00b, I stopped when I could do 32nd note sweeps 3 fingered, at 400 BPM in every time signature known to man.

Recordings or stfu plz

[Apocalyptic Raids]

sarcasm on the internet

[Benzum]

I'd still like to hear some attempted 32nd note sweeps 3 fingered, at 400BPM in every time signature known to man

[repcak]

I've had to many years playing without proper teaching, now I have a college professor teaching me all this good technique and it's going to take a whole lot of practice to change my bad habits :(

its the same with me... one year acoustic which i played once, twice a week for not more than one hour. after one year i got me electric guitar and played a little more... nearly each day, but afte a 3/4 year i made a long break for a half year. last year i started again and since 2006 i got a teacher who told me the exact thing... i always played wrong.
so since 2006 i took guitar playing seriously and made about 60-80% of my advantages in the last 9months.

in the last august week i played 4-6hours daily, now i play 2-4hours daily... still not enough... i wish i could play 4-6hours daily again. tbh its possible but my wrist just don't want :p
i think, i shouldn't play more than 1hour today and i hope the pain will be away tomorrow... thought it will be today, but i still feel some pain... its only a little bit, but it can get worse if i play too much today.

[Benzum]

if your wrist is hurting when you play guitar for more than 45 minutes, you need to look at your right hand technique

remember to relax

[repcak]

right hand? you mean left hand... do you?

i got wrist problems when i 1) play too long 2) do big stretches 3) play too fast, difficult songs with stretches...

i'm only concerned cause in the last time this happend to me too often and a friend just told me that it could become a chronical disease, so maybe i should go to a doctor.

right now, so since tomorrow, my wrist hurts, but only a little bit... i stopped right in time; earlier my wrist hurts much more.

[x00046455]

It is probably your technique. you could try doin simple struming exercises like just muting the neck and struming a slow 4/4 strum with your right hand. after
a while when your wrist is looser speed up a small bit. when it gets more comfortable try adding in some simple chords on the left hand. once your wrists are loosened up you could try some down pickin at different speeds. down pickin is great for warming up your hands. i think anyway. if the pain gets really bad ypu might wanna think about seein a doctor.

[MRDuCran]

Rep, when you say stretches, by how many frets do you mean?

[repcak]

its my wrist of my left hand... not the picking hand!

and i get problems when doing legato too long... but, yeah...maybe i should try to stay more relaxed. i'm not really relaxed when i try to play difficult stuff.

Rep, when you say stretches, by how many frets do you mean?

tbh, they aren't that big. f.e.: wolf and raven - normal stretch yes, but when i do 9-7-5 i don't have problems with the stretch between my index and middle finger, but when i do it on the high e-string it hurts more... maybe cause the angle of the wrist is different while playing on the higher string, than on the lower strings...

[unknownsoldier12]

thats really the thing you need to work on...


i guarentee its some sort of mental block of restraint. It is probably stemming from you knowing its "hard", or something you not too good at, and over exerting yourself, as if to play "catch up" or progress faster

[MRDuCran]

If you play the same frets on the higher strings, then just change your wrist angle...

[repcak]

i just took up the guitar and looked exactly at my movements and the only sinews that hurts in my wrist (its not the whole sinew) is when i do a stretch with my index and middle finger, especially when doing wolf and raven.
its not the angle that causes the problem (this time!) its the stretch.

hm... tbh i started to "use" this stretch some months ago, but i never had really problems with it, but on the other side i never tried to "play" such a stretch and in wolf and raven you play it fast and often.
the best thing is to stop playing the stretch for the next few days and afterwards doing slow stretching exercises for my i and m.
if i will do those stretching exercises, its better to do the movement really slooooooow or doesn't it matter? with slow i mean really, really slow.

[MRDuCran]

Just do trills or something.

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or something.

[repcak]

trills? won't it make it worse or painful?

can't believe its the best thing to improve the stretching of your fingers...

[MRDuCran]

Why would trills be painful? Unless you do them wrong or with bad technique.

It's not to increase stretch, it's to increase endurance.

[unknownsoldier12]

having a baritone really helped me with my stretches

[ghettoeddo]

some songs i'm trying to learn have stretches like 14-9 and i've got pretty short fingers... :( and 15-16-17-19-17 sweep i can't get that high 17 in

[MRDuCran]

You can't stretch 9-14? Wow, I find that easy. I guess stretching has never been a problem for me.

[repcak]

tomorrow i will go to a doctor and from a mate i just got a salve and won't play guitar for today and maybe even tomorrow... wow... 3days break :upset:

[unknownsoldier12]

short fingers have nothing to do with it Slippy.

My 5' even girlfriend has longer fingers than me.

I will say, having a 27" baritone for some time definitely increased my stretch by a few inches. Check out Petruccis "spider" exericises. I'm sure you'll find them beneficial

[repcak]

what is a baritone exactly?

[MRDuCran]

It has a longer scale length so it sounds thicker or something like that. One of Paul Gilbert's guitars has an extra 2 frets too and is tuned down to D.

I'm not sure of the exact definition.

[ghettoeddo]

a bigass guitar :]

[unknownsoldier12]

a baritone is a guitar that is suited for lower tunings because of the larger scale....


but yea, its a big arse guitar :lol:

[repcak]

do you have pics or links to some of those guitars?

[MRDuCran]

Google it or something.

[Luc214]

Why would trills be painful? Unless you do them wrong or with bad technique.

It's not to increase stretch, it's to increase endurance.

Have you ever done trills? It can start to burn on the left side of my left hand when I do trills with the ring finger and the pinky.

[MRDuCran]

Yeah, a burn but it's not actual pain like if you put your arm against an iron.

[ghettoeddo]

that's not even a fair comparison...

one is strengthening the muscles in your body
the other is just plain stupid.

[Luc214]

Yeah, a burn but it's not actual pain like if you put your arm against an iron.

Yeah, it's not pain per se, but it's uncomfortable.

[repcak]

how often do you make breaks when playing guitar and how long are those breaks?

cause when play f.e. for 4hours i play 4hours straight... sometimes i make a short break for a cigarette or to check MX;

[unknownsoldier12]

for me, it really depends what I'm working on...

last night, i was doing some chromatics for the first time in a while at a real slow speed. I stuck with that same speed for about 10 minutes, just using my pinky and ring fingers to fret the notes.

After a total of 40 minutes, I started to realize i was losing focus, so I figured that was a good time to take a break

If I'm doing sweeps or something, I'll take a break when i notice I'm getting worse, like doing a single pattern for 15 minutes, then it might start to break down.

If I can keep my level of focus high, and I feel I'm maintaining and progressively improving, I'll continue to ride that wave

[ghettoeddo]

yea thats what i do...only instead of taking a break, i move onto practicing something else and come back to it later.

maybe i should consider these breaks haha

[unknownsoldier12]

i really started to get into finger stretching as well. I have been obcessed with finger exercises away from the guitar to improve dexterity and finger independance, but it's only obvious to me now that I have been overlooking a crucial step

[MRDuCran]

I'm probably going to attempt to record that bumble thing later, I haven't practised it since last time I mentioned it so it might not be full speed.

[unknownsoldier12]

eh, in that case, give it a week Mitch and make it GOLD :thumb:

[MRDuCran]

I can't be bothered to wait tbh, I'll give it a shot. As I keep saying, if I can't hit 200, it'll be 'cause I forget where to go half way through, I have no problem with accuracy on that piece. I'll sit here all night if I have to just to get it out of the way.

[repcak]

i wish i could play .... :upset:

i visit a doctor today who gave me a slave but it seems to get worse not better from each day... i'm sooo bored without guitar....

[MRDuCran]

Gave you a slave, wtf is that?

[repcak]

salve...

though a slave would be great :p

/i should re-read the things i write, i make too many mistakes recently.

[MRDuCran]

Ohh right, yeah, never heard of it.

But google tells me it's an ointment that you apply to the skin.

You must be using the wrong technique or using to much pressure or something because you shouldn't be having those problems.

[repcak]

well slave... ****.. no... salve says dict.leo.org (without the website i won't be here :p )

how i said before, i get it when i play too long, do legato or stretches (in song). sometimes i play for several hours and i have nothing, and then one day it hurts. this happens too often to me :( i should talk with my guitar teacher about it. but i should stay more relaxed... i don't know.
if you teaches yourself all alone and you don't have other guitarists around you, you make mistakes and learn wrong techniques...

btw. i am the only one who has those problems... i haven't met a single guitarist who had problems with his wrist or sinews...

[unknownsoldier12]

I'm the same way Repcak (completely self-taught, no other guitarists around)

Its really about breaking apart your technique and putting it back together. I basically do this every other month

[repcak]

yeah, i should break my technique apart... you say always play relaxed: should i play as relaxed that i only touch the strings slightly, with as little pressure as possible?
i mean, i just can't check it out on guitar, i don't wanna touch it, but when i think about my playing i think, that i'm not really relaxed... i don't use much pressure, but when doing stretches or difficult songs i use more pressure than normal.

on the other side if i really would play so relaxed that i touch the strings only slightly (as if it was air, and not a freboard), will i progress? its all about muscles and from time to time they need some strain (sp?) to get better and better; or am i wrong?

[unknownsoldier12]

definitely...

I've found the less pressure you use, the more you are in tune with your finger/muscles. You can, at that point, change the dynamics of the notes being played by using more/less force, or by having a heavier pick attack, etc.

It seems like you tense up when you are trying to do more technically demanding things on the guitar. Sure, that's the natural inclination, but next time, slow down until its uniform (or finally at a relaxed posistion).

When you are relaxed, you don't have muscles working against what you are trying to accomplish

[MRDuCran]

Your guitar teacher must really suck if he can't point all this stuff out to you.

[repcak]

yeah but what if i have to stretch? like playing the a-minor scale or wolf and raven... its not that big stretch 5-7 with your index and middle but when doing it, i'm not relaxed.

and in general: doing stretch exercises... its a must being relaxed? in the future i want to be able to make big stretches.

i think on sunday or monday i will be able to play again... and i will try not to play for more than 1hour for the first week... and maybe i can manage my time to play several times a day for 1hour instead of 4hours before going to bed.


my guitar teacher? well... i only took lesson 2-3times. i have to pay it from my own pocket so i don't take lessons often... the last time i saw him was sometime in may and we mostly did only theory. next time i would like him to show me some proper techniques and then i will ask him about this topic.

[unknownsoldier12]

if you are having problems hitting a stretch, move it up 12 frets or so, until it seems natural.

Once you have that down and have that precision that you are looking for, I slowly start moving it up the fretboard.

If you find that area that you start to tense up at, move back down the fretboard until its comfortable, and practice in that region

[MRDuCran]

Instead of worrying about how much pressure you use, worry about hitting the "sweet spots" in between the frets. If you put your finger in the right place, you'll get enough sustain on a good sounding note. If you put loads of pressure on the string in the wrong place, you could end up worse off.

Joe Satriani teaches this when his students are practising legato.

I played that Extreme piece at 200bpm earlier, pretty easy actually. I'm working out Alcatrazz songs atm though.

[unknownsoldier12]

well, pressure is pretty important to work on as well, but you're right mitch. Learning where to fret is pretty damn crucial, and i would say work on that first.

If you watch petrucci live, you can actually see where he frets every fret by the grease that is left on the fretboard.

Back to pressure again, if you use too much pressure fretting a note, you will actually cause the note to sharpen, and go slightly out of key.

[repcak]

i just started last week to focus to hit the "sweet spots".

[unknownsoldier12]

i learned that from Troy Stentina's book

[repcak]

oh.. now you mention it, i remember it. i always knew that before i read troy stetina's book, but i always was too lazy to focus on it

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, i stink but have very good technique :lol:

[ghettoeddo]

NP: new old world-syrinx

yea not full pressure on the frets works for me too.
unknownsoldier, you must be watching -real- closely to notice someone's grease spots on the fretboard...haha

[lightningmetal666]

oh.. now you mention it, i remember it. i always knew that before i read troy stetina's book, but i always was too lazy to focus on it

I got troy's thrash guitar book and it really help my picking chops as well as songwriting ideas.:thumb:

[repcak]

troy stetina is indeed great.

[lightningmetal666]

troy stetina is indeed great.

Yeah he is.

I find that you don't want to worry so much about pressure, or any of that stuff as you should about being in the groove.

I took a few drum lessons and I was shock to find that it helped to improve my guitar playing immensely. A lot of the licks and stuff that I knew but couldn't get down, I could sudden play a lot cleaner and better.

When I play onstage, most of the time I don't even remember what notes I did for a solo, but I remember just really getting into the beat and being 'in the pocket'.

[MRDuCran]

http://media.putfile.com/Flight-Of-The-Very-Wounded-Wasp-Thats-Missing-a-Sting

Look, I recorded the first 16 bars. I recorded the other part after it too but I don't like the way it sounds with the delay on it so I left it. This is double tracked too.

[Squirrel]

Very cool stuff, played nice and clean. Nuno is an absolute monster on guitar.

Where are you from, DuCran ?

[MRDuCran]

England \m/

[Squirrel]

Awesome, where abouts ?

[lightningmetal666]

yea, i stink but have very good technique :lol:

I have very sh*tty technique, but I can cleanly speedpick at tempos well above 200 bpm. I have the goofiest way of playing chords. I broke both my wrists as a kid while rollerblading and never got them fixed. I can only turn them to about a 50-60 degree angle, yet I managed to get good at guitar.:confused:

I also started playing guitar with blues based stuff so I developed the need to hook my thumb over the edge of the fretboard. Needless to say, this made learning classical sh*t/shred guitar damn near impossible.

[MRDuCran]

Awesome, where abouts ?

Essex, about an hour or so away from London.

[Squirrel]

Cool.

I'm up near Leeds at home, Newcastle for Uni.

[MRDuCran]

What is it you're studying?

[Hellion]

Favorite Bodom song HAS to be Hate Me!!!!

[MRDuCran]

It's an amazing song!! :cool:

[MRDuCran]

http://media.putfile.com/Flight-Of-The-Very-Wounded-Wasp-Thats-Missing-a-Sting

Look, I recorded the first 16 bars. I recorded the other part after it too but I don't like the way it sounds with the delay on it so I left it. This is double tracked too.

Bump for Repcak and teh Kurrpt. I only recorded it so you could hear it since they've re-wrote the riff list in the Riff Game now. I could post it but there's no need anymore and the new riffs are even worse imo.

Also, I recorded the pre-solo delay section in Children of Decadence about a month ago and didn't mention it, might as well check that out too.

http://media.putfile.com/Children-of-Decadence-52-27

[AA-12]

Nice name, ahaha.

[MRDuCran]

:thumb:

[AA-12]

So Mitch, how are you doing lately?

[MRDuCran]

Not too bad, everything's been pretty much the same for months now which is kinda cool.

Haven't seen you around lately, where you been hiding?

[AA-12]

Good to hear I suppose.

Heh, it sounds cheesy, but i've found real life enjoyment in weightlifting/bodybuilding. Whenever i'm bored I just work out or do something related. I'm gonna start playing guitar more too. Those things = less internet.

[MRDuCran]

My brother's been doing that recently too, he walks around thinking he's Arnie when he looks like a twig. But yeah, I can be very entertaining, I used to do it myself too but then guitar playing took over my life (omg).

[AA-12]

Haha, I have a huge bone structure, and am basically perfectly made for gaining muscle. I just figure why not develop myself as much as I can instead of letting it sit, you know?

[MRDuCran]

Yeah exactly. I'm probably going to get pretty big over the next few years but mainly from junk food and lack of exercise...:p

[repcak]

morning... the recordings are great... bumblebee :thumb: (though i thought you will learn the whole intro ^^)

the riff game indeed got worse, but right now i can't play anyway. yesterday i realized that my wristle cracks when i move it or change the angle :eek: (on the other side its the same on my right wrist, but on the left its different... eh)
whatever, i think i have to make a bigger break... one week...

[MRDuCran]

I did learn the whole intro but I said when I posted it, I didn't record it because I don't like the way it sounds when the delay is turned on.

[metalhead_matt]

would you guys say there is keyboards in the bodom after midnight chorus?
i can hear something, but Im not all that sure.

[MRDuCran]

Yeah, very low in the mix though.

[ghettoeddo]

NP: kissing the shadows

what a fantastic song :]

[MRDuCran]

Put on You're Better Off Dead, that's also KEWL.

[ghettoeddo]

whats that effect the synth uses at the beginning of that song and in the beginning of bodom beach terror?
it's sexy.

[MRDuCran]

I believe the Bodom Beach Terror effect is called Orchestra Hit which simulates the sound of a full orchestra playing a quick stab on one note.

I guess the YBoD one is just a strings sound of some sort.

[ghettoeddo]

ooo ok. except it doesn't really sound like an orchestra haha
its just got that "grand epic" feeling to the sound

[MRDuCran]

lol my bad, I was thinking of something else.

The GP tab just has it as strings but it sounds off, too thin.

[ghettoeddo]

yea that's fine i was just looking to slate my curiosity thirst

[MRDuCran]

It's actually got me wanting to know what it is now. But since I'm so tired and lazy, I'm not going to sit and listen through all the sounds in GP.

[ghettoeddo]

wish i had GP :(

[MRDuCran]

Bearshare does...

[repcak]

what can i do musical-wise instead of playing guitar... something useful and guitar-related... can't watch guitar-vids all the day :p

[AA-12]

THeory.

[MRDuCran]

I agree.

Wtf is up with that dude in your sig...

[AA-12]

I found him accidentally on MySpace and was laughing for a good 10 minutes. He was destined to be my avatar.

[repcak]

lol

i hoped its you :p

[AA-12]

If I looked like that, i'd probably have to shoot myself in the face :lol:

[metalhead_matt]

If I looked like that, i'd probably have to shoot myself in the face :lol:

itd be hilarious if he was on these forums aswell

"Mum, I got me a stalker!"

MRDuCran, I was checkin out your CoD Delay solo thing, ive got my own way of playin it but i aint happy with it. could you send me the GP tab for how you play it?

[repcak]

:lol:

i hope not

[MRDuCran]

I found him accidentally on MySpace and was laughing for a good 10 minutes. He was destined to be my avatar.

Please take it down, it's disturbing. :upset:

MRDuCran, I was checkin out your CoD Delay solo thing, ive got my own way of playin it but i aint happy with it. could you send me the GP tab for how you play it?

http://download.yousendit.com/6DA9247A672FACF2

[Shred Danson]

:lol: We'll have to start a scene kid myspace avatar clan

[ghettoeddo]

Bearshare does...

i got it thanks :]

[metalhead_matt]

http://download.yousendit.com/6DA9247A672FACF2

thanks

[MRDuCran]

Was you playing that or trying to play the delay parts too?

[metalhead_matt]

it aint downloadin :(

[MRDuCran]

http://download.yousendit.com/5C9E5219437171B2

??

[MRDuCran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6tI-Eg_fg

[Perhaps Locusts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6tI-Eg_fg

Holy fukkin' shiit! What the hell happened to our beloved Bodom?

[MRDuCran]

There's nothing wrong with it.

[Lil’ Bloodred Ridin’ Hood]

Dont get why its spose to suck,i think its good

[repcak]

its good... the sound quality was bad... it sounded only ridiculous for some ppl cause its so slow...


i am frustrated... my wrist was getting better yesterday but today i had to translate an interview from a tape and always pushing "play" "stop" "backwards" + typing on the keyboard for whole 4hours... my wrist is worse today... it will take longer than i thought, until i can play guitar again :(

[MRDuCran]

That sucks, at least you'll know next time not to keep stretching too far and actually listen to what your body is telling you, very important.

My body is telling me I should get my *** in bed and sleep but my mind is telling it to **** right off, playing guitar is way cooler than sleep.

[unknownsoldier12]

i had similar problems from having to type and use the computer for 9 hours a day at work.

What I've learned is to really take note of my posture and try to recognize muscle tension, similar to what I do when I play guitar

[Ghosts Revenge]

Ghost just came back from the drugstore and bought a bandage... so through this he hopes that his hand will rest more.

He wants to thanks all of you for the help... and yeah, he has to look more what his body says. Ghost talked to his guitar teacher yesterday and when his wrist won't hurt, he will go to him and talk about this topic... he hopes that his guitar teacher will see a mistake he is making all the time and will tell him how to hold the guitar properly.

After seeing this CoB (sucks) video he realized once again (cause he's forgetting it) how relaxed they played even at slow speed + high speed... thats for sure one (!) of th causes for his wrist problem.

[unknownsoldier12]

that really shows control

[MRDuCran]

Even I'm not relaxed at 200bpm. Well, rhythms I can handle easily (slayer, DF) but I can't play leads at that speed yet, at least not all the time 100% cleanly etc.

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, I don't even try to get up there at this point.

I'm not completely confident with the basics. That's not to say I can't do them, but like I said, I see it needing to be at a certain bench level/water mark, and im not convinced.

I can tell by practicing with that mentality that it is making the "faster" bits a hell of a lot more controlled and efficient

[repcak]

i reached 150bpm and i'm satisfied... now i want to "master" those 150bpm and concentrate more on other things and not on speed only.

[unknownsoldier12]

I've realized a long time ago that I'll never be satisfied with my playing. This is really the driving force behind my practice sessions.

[repcak]

neither i will be... i only reached a speed i wanted to reach when i started to play guitar... i stuck for a long time at 100bpm and tell me how many good songs are 100bpm fast? with 150bpm i can play lots more songs...

[MRDuCran]

Shall I record a small Paul Gilbert solo that's about 190bpm?

lol

[metalhead_matt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6tI-Eg_fg

yeah that links works, thanks
thats the way i play it, but i cant get it too sound right with the delay. maybe im puttin the delay on too fast or slow?

and whats with the bodom sucks video? it actually helped me play the solo better