Children Of Bodom

[Prince Charming]

The rhythms for AYDY and Bodom Beach Terror aren't exactly difficult though, try Lake Bodom, SNBD, Needled 24/7, which to play correctly, are kinda difficult because of the rhythm, as opposed to how many strings you have to skip...
I played parts of Needled ages ago. It's harder than BBT, but not much.

The 4 string run, chorus lead in BBT isn't hard. I mean. I've gotta be awake, but it's not super hard.

AYDY chorus has this lead. That's kinda tricky and easy to be sloppy on, but it';s again, not very hard.

fukk dude. That Necrophagist. wow. Practicing 1 or 2 times a week doesn't cut it with much though. I'm fine on my CoB stuff, but Necrophagist has to be hours each day.

[MRDuCran]

The only Necrophagist I bothered learning was Foul Body Autopsy and I got that to 110, 16th notes. It's at 120bpm 16ths, or 240 8th as the tab shows.

It was perfect, the one reason I couldn't hit 120 was because I kept forgetting it because I had only learnt it that day.

[Prince Charming]

The only Necrophagist I bothered learning was Foul Body Autopsy and I got that to 110, 16th notes. It's at 120bpm 16ths, or 240 8th as the tab shows.

It was perfect, the one reason I couldn't hit 120 was because I kept forgetting it because I had only learnt it that day.
haha. Nice. I've never tried that one.

[repcak]

The only Necrophagist I bothered learning was Foul Body Autopsy and I got that to 110, 16th notes. It's at 120bpm 16ths, or 240 8th as the tab shows.

It was perfect, the one reason I couldn't hit 120 was because I kept forgetting it because I had only learnt it that day.
do you have a record?

a lot of you have learnt a lot by CoB. maybe we can make a list of songs/riffs/leads we can play/learn by bodom and rate it in difficulty? i for myself would like to know which songs i can play, which i thought are too difficult... or whatever.

[MRDuCran]

do you have a record?

a lot of you have learnt a lot by CoB. maybe we can make a list of songs/riffs/leads we can play/learn by bodom and rate it in difficulty? i for myself would like to know which songs i can play, which i thought are too difficult... or whatever.

Nah, I didn't bother recording it because it wasn't up to speed. I probably wouldn't be able to do it now without a days worth of practise and I really need/want to get my PG style picking clean, I don't practise enough as it is. :angry:

I could do that list for you if you wanted, I think I know about 80% of Cob's discography, or at least some riffs/solos from most of the songs, not all the way through, both guitar parts etc.

[repcak]

PG style picking? what is this? Paul gilbert? what sort of licks are those PG pickings?

yeah, that would be great. you can post it ITT :)
what about Dylan? some recommendations?

[MRDuCran]

PG style picking? what is this? Paul gilbert? what sort of licks are those PG pickings?

yeah, that would be great. you can post it ITT :)
what about Dylan? some recommendations?

I did a few, not much point in writing them all out.

Easy-/moderate

Touch Like An Angel of Death leads & rhythm
Bed of Razors lead & rhythms
Black Widow rhythms
Children of Bodom main leads
Downfall – everything except solo
Follow the Reaper rhythms
Everytime I Die rhythms and leads
Mask of Sanity rhythms
Hate Me rhythms
Kissing the Shadows rhythms
Sixpounder rhythms
Bodom Beach Terror rhythms
Angels Don’t Kill rhythms
Hate Crew Deathroll rhythms
Are You Dead Yet rhythms
Punch Me I Bleed rhythms

Fiddly/tricky/hard/insane:

Lake Bodom leads
Warheart
Silent Night, Bodom Night
Hatebreeder leads and a few rhythms
Towards Dead End leads
Wrath Within leads
Children of Bodom solo
Downfall solo
Kissing the Shadows leads
Needled 24/7 rhythms and leads
Chokehold rhythms and tapping leads
Triple Corpse Hammerblow leads
Living Dead Beat rhythms and leads
In Your Face rhythm

[repcak]

silent night, bodom night = hard? you mean the sweeping parts... not the whole song, right?

thanks

[MRDuCran]

Nope, the whole song is tricky because of the constant triplet rhythm. Most people that play it just pick as fast as possible when that would be wrong. The solo isn't exactly easy either.

[repcak]

but don't see the point in your argumentation that triplets are hard to play. tbh i can play triplets easier than 16th.

[MRDuCran]

The song is at 220bpm...

I'm just going by what I've seen, which isn't good.

[AA-12]

The intro of SN,BN is so easy it's not even funny. Do I really need to make a video here?? :p

[repcak]

yeah... make one :p

[MRDuCran]

I'd like to see that.

[repcak]

Wotan is playing a guitar :eek:

... CoB NEWS at MX-Radio:
we just got the information that Wotan (alas Ex-Necronomicon) will be release a video of him playing Silent Night, Bodom Night by Children of Bodom in the Childron of Bodom-Thread in the Rock & Metal forums.

:D

[MRDuCran]

lol

Oarsum

[repcak]

what? Oarsum?

[MRDuCran]

Indeed.

[repcak]

lol

[MRDuCran]

Oarsum = Awesome.

:thumb:

[AA-12]

Alright guys, pretty soon i'm plugging my guitar into the amp, which may override everyone in the world with "amazingness" you may want to check into a local bomb shelter to be safe.

:)

[MRDuCran]

Are you going to use a backing track, or some sort of click so we can tell you're actually playing 3 notes per beat as opposed to just randomly picking?

[AA-12]

I figured i'd just play the main guitar part and let you guys decifer it :-|

Do have a good backing track for it?

[MRDuCran]

I have a drum track that I made in Beatcraft...?

[AA-12]

Hook a brotha up?

[repcak]

i'm anxious about your amp :p

[MRDuCran]

Hook a brotha up?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=1AB1B10F535B150B

[AA-12]

Thanks man.

[Prince Charming]

I'll await this and stay tuned to non profit mx radio. ftw

[pate]

Same.

Josh + guitar = hawt

[Prince Charming]

Same.

Josh + guitar = hawt
max fappage ftw

[MRDuCran]

Where is he then?

[Prince Charming]

He didn't show up.

[MRDuCran]

Hmm.

What amp does he have?

[Prince Charming]

Hmm.

What amp does he have?
Hell if I know...

I guess those triplets maybe just tripped him up.

/lame

[MRDuCran]

Who knows, we'll find out when he returns.

My point still stands though, most people don't actually play the triplets.

[Prince Charming]

Who knows, we'll find out when he returns.

My point still stands though, most people don't actually play the triplets.
I do. But not full speed. Prolly like, 160ish or a bit higher.

Depends on if I'm even practicing. haha

[MRDuCran]

Well I can do it too but I really focus on accenting alot. It's very important when you're playing at high speeds and it helps actually play fast too.

[unknownsoldier12]

triplets at 160, shizz, even i can do that.


I just use dynamics to accentuate the down beat.

[MRDuCran]

The song's at 220.

I usually accent beats 2 & 4 with upstrokes.

[Moonstone]

i like this band from what i have heard of them but i gotta say i don't listen to them that often.

[unknownsoldier12]

The song's at 220.

I usually accent beats 2 & 4 with upstrokes.


haha i usually do it the opposite.

I can't stay clean at that speed. My sweeps are getting there, but its nothing to brag about at this point.

I JUST fixed my Krank amp yesterday when i took off :D

[MRDuCran]

i like this band from what i have heard of them but i gotta say i don't listen to them that often.

Well you should.

haha i usually do it the opposite.

I can't stay clean at that speed. My sweeps are getting there, but its nothing to brag about at this point.

It's only one note so it's kinda easy to do, but if it was something alternate picked, it'd be much harder obviously, at least for me. I don't practise sweeps anymore.

[unknownsoldier12]

the sad thing is about my picking is that I trem pick as fast as I alternate pick. There's no gap between them, if you know what I mean.

I've been working on all right hand things lately

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I know what you mean, but I wouldn't really worry about that, as long as whatever you're picking is accurate it's cool.

[unknownsoldier12]

i dont really like the speed im stuck at right now, so im trying to get the most out of my practice sessions so i can move on.

I try not to think about speed, or what the metronome is saying, but when you set it at the same speed for a week, it kinda blows

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I'm kinda stuck too. But I think it's just because I don't warm up and go through a proper practise routine, I just pick up and play, stick the metronome on and then usually get distracted. Last night was great though, I sounded like Paul Gilbert at times but then it started to wear of cause I was super tired.

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, thats usually from a lack of focus. I try to understand where I need to improve, or more importantly, what exactly am I doing wrong, how to do it correctly, then bridge that gap

[MRDuCran]

I should do that too but it never really crosses my mind.

[Benzum]

I've recently come to the conclusion that

Black Widow > Everything they have ever done

[unknownsoldier12]

I should do that too but it never really crosses my mind.



It's really all I ever do. It seems fruitless at times, since you aren't constantly learning "new songs or ideas", but essentially, it's what makes your playing better all around.

Sometimes, for me, the hardest part is learning how to do it correctly. I'll know that im doing a certain technique wrong, but wont know exactly how to fix it. A lot of my time is spent doing trial and error. I come up with possible solutions, and test them out. Its really a journey to finding the BEST way to do something

[MRDuCran]

Tbh, I think I'm past that. I can pretty much do anything slow, it's just actually getting stuff to full speed that I need to work on. I think I could do it for most stuff in a year if I practise more and sit at the computer less.

[unknownsoldier12]

Eh, you'll always reach a point where you think you have stopped progressing. Im just saying the thought process I use to overcome that particular hurdle, and get to the next one

[repcak]

i haven't practised for weeks... i just play around and come up with some fun riffs/licks/etc.

i should start practising again and do my picking exercises :p



i just was sitting in the sun (for the first time in this summer) reading my daily newspaper and suddenly i saw the headline: tool in vienna on 19.11. tickets can be bought since 19.7. .. and i: :eek: since three weeks i don't know anything?!
run up the stairs to the computer, checked it and yes, tool play indeed in vienna but the tickets are NOT sold out :confused: and cost 40Euros!!! when i wait one more week, i can get them for 1-2euro less, ... hm, when the tickets weren't sold out in 3weeks, they won't be sold out in one week i hope ....

[unknownsoldier12]

After i got screwed out of seeing TOoL in Philly last year, me desire to see them live went WAY down-hill :upset:

[repcak]

why this?

i had two times the occasion to see tool now... novarock in june -> but i had exams and university, so no time and 100euros only to see tool at a festival?! no... too much.
and then i friend wanted to sell his tickets for the tool concert in prague one week later; tickets 30€ + train to prague (4h in one direction) the last train back was at midnight and when i don't catch it i had to wait till 6am for the next...

but now they are playing in my CITY :D

[unknownsoldier12]

Apparently you had to buy tickets online. All their tickets for every event went on sale at the same time. I made sure to wake up extra early, and went to a friends house who had high speed to purchase the tickets. I was on the site 40 minutes before they went on sale. Right when the went on sale, it kept bumping me out of the cue, and even though i was there with plenty of time, i wound up getting nothing.

I then saw tickets were going 100-200 on ebay, and it really made me re-think how important it was for me to see them live (been a fan since 96' and still havent seen them)

I realized i would rather see bands like Nevermore and CoB, and tickets for them would be MUCH cheaper

[repcak]

wow... that suck. only the tickets for the NIN concert were sold out in minutes, but the tool tickets are for sale since 3weeks!! strange.... i can ask my mum to pay it, cause my birthday is on 16.11 and tool is playing on 19.11 :p

[repcak]

can you tell me what chord muhammed suicmez is playing on the epitaph album, song: diminished to B (4th song on the record) between 1:45 and 2:00? its an interlude and the chords sound so fukking insane

[unknownsoldier12]

not a bad idea



ive never heard that song btw

[MRDuCran]

can you tell me what chord muhammed suicmez is playing on the epitaph album, song: diminished to B (4th song on the record) between 1:45 and 2:00? its an interlude and the chords sound so fukking insane

Why don't you look at the tab?

[repcak]

ah... good question

/lazy :p

[IheartSP]

Hey, everyone check out my new band Northern Cross, we have a 1 minute preview of our first song. It's Melodic Death/Symphonic Black/Power Metal it's quite interesting (although you can't hear all that in just this 1 min preview).

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=423E3C6C6F57127D&rcpt=aceshigh6505@gmail.com

Hope you guys like it.

[Prince Charming]

eerrrrrrr! I had an advance preview and it was epic.

[MRDuCran]

"Internal error. Please try again later."

[IheartSP]

Copy the link into your url bar, mx is being gay.

[MRDuCran]

It's something to do with YSI, I tried both methods.

[IheartSP]

When I'm here at MX and I copy the link it doesn't work, but if i do it on google it does, it has something to do with MX.

[Prince Charming]

psssshhh! He doesn't like the pirates

[MRDuCran]

I still couldn't get it to work.

[Shadows Within]

Did anyone know that Roope's is called dick? because I was burning Suicide By My Side on Windows Media Player and it showed who did the songs and it would show Kim and Alexi and Marco but then it said Dick Latvala...

Also does anyone know why computers start to go really slow after A while? because last week my computer was running pretty fast, but this week it takes 10 min for rhapsody to load up...if it even does that. games are taking longer...downloads are taking longer. IT'S GOING AS SLOW AS A FRIGGEN IBM. or sometimes **** would load up at all...

[IheartSP]

I still couldn't get it to work.
Works for everyone I send it to on AIM.

Just go to the myspace. www.myspace.com/northerncrossmetal

[MRDuCran]

Ok I listened. Not my thing but it was done well.

What do you play in it?

[Flynn]

I love blaring Children Of Decadence in the parking lot when I leave work, that intro is awesome!

[Prince Charming]

I love blaring Children Of Decadence in the parking lot when I leave work, that intro is awesome!
Those leads do rule. \m/

[MRDuCran]

The whole song is awesome, especially Alexi's vocals during the middle of it.

[Prince Charming]

The whole song is awesome, especially Alexi's vocals during the middle of it.
It gets boring for me. It sounds like something Wintersun would rip off.

[MRDuCran]

H8a^^

I love that song.

[Prince Charming]

haha. I like it, but it's far from their best. Everytime I die & Mask Of Sanity own for FTR.

[Shadows Within]

Man I rmeber buying that album when I was up to camp and the people I was staying with just coming out in the middle of the night and saying "what the hell are you listening to?"

lol they where like the first really heavy band I got into.

I still love that album the most, it's mainly what introduced me to them.

[MRDuCran]

Eh, my faves off that album are Children of Decadence, Bodom after Midnight and Follow the Reaper. I think I appreciate those more now because I've listened to Everytime I Die and Kissing the Shadows too much.

Hate Me IS my fave off that album though, easily one of my fave Bodom songs, I can play the solo. :cool:

[Prince Charming]

Eh, my faves off that album are Children of Decadence, Bodom after Midnight and Follow the Reaper. I think I appreciate those more now because I've listened to Everytime I Die and Kissing the Shadows too much.

Hate Me IS my fave off that album though, easily one of my fave Bodom songs, I can play the solo. :cool:
You got a recording handy of the hate me solo, or did you already post one?

Just for fun, is there any Bodom you cannot play?

[MRDuCran]

You got a recording handy of the hate me solo, or did you already post one?

Just for fun, is there any Bodom you cannot play?

Nah I haven't recorded it yet, probably because theres a run that I'm still working on, the rest I can.

Theres a few songs I haven't bothered learning, most off of Something Wild. Taste of my Scythe, Northern Comfort and a few tracks off of AYDY.

I can play through the framework of the entire Hatebreeder album but I don't know all the parts, mainly just Alexi's. :p

[Shadows Within]

Nah I haven't recorded it yet, probably because theres a run that I'm still working on, the rest I can.

Theres a few songs I haven't bothered learning, most off of Something Wild. Taste of my Scythe, Northern Comfort and a few tracks off of AYDY.

I can play through the framework of the entire Hatebreeder album but I don't know all the parts, mainly just Alexi's. :p
You should learn Deadnight Warrior or one of the Red light's.

[MRDuCran]

You should learn Deadnight Warrior or one of the Red light's.

I learnt the intro to Deadnight Warrior 'cause I was going to record it but that was it and it seemed a bit pointless 'cause it's only a few seconds and I wasn't in the mood for practising the lead, I've got the drum track done so maybe in the near future.

I might record the Hatebreeder or Everytime I Die solo, or Punch Me I Bleed.

[Shadows Within]

I learnt the intro to Deadnight Warrior 'cause I was going to record it but that was it and it seemed a bit pointless 'cause it's only a few seconds and I wasn't in the mood for practising the lead, I've got the drum track done so maybe in the near future.

I might record the Hatebreeder or Everytime I Die solo, or Punch Me I Bleed.
Were working on a cover of ETID but our vocalist (whos actually the guitarist, and has never sang in his life) turned out sounding more hardcoreish, the solo sounds pretty good though.

unfortunately im not at the level where I can play my solo but im getting beter and better.

If your going to record anything off Hatebreeder do the solo for Black Widow, that is a kick *** solo.

[Prince Charming]

hardcore vox in CoB? get it outta there

[Shadows Within]

hardcore vox in CoB? get it outta there
No no, when he recorded it it just came out sounding like gay hardcore screams.

I hid in the living room in a sound proffed corner (consisting of MANY pillows) behind a chair while he was recording them. he got all pissed when he found me and said he'd go dlete them but he never did.

[Prince Charming]

No no, when he recorded it it just came out sounding like gay hardcore screams.
More voice , less rasp?


heh. I've gotten my rasp figured out over the last few days. :)

[Shadows Within]

More voice , less rasp?


heh. I've gotten my rasp figured out over the last few days. :)
yeah way too try.

I could never scream because my voice starts to hurt if I talk above a mumble for certain periods of time... I talk semi-loud for like 5 minutes and it starts to hurt...

[Prince Charming]

yeah way too try.

I could never scream because my voice starts to hurt if I talk above a mumble for certain periods of time... I talk semi-loud for like 5 minutes and it starts to hurt...
What the hell? Son, you've gotta use your gut!

I can practice for hours and be fine.

[MRDuCran]

If your going to record anything off Hatebreeder do the solo for Black Widow, that is a kick *** solo.

The bit right at the end??

I doubt I'd be able to make that sound decent tbh.

unfortunately im not at the level where I can play my solo but im getting beter and better.

Are there any lead parts in a Bodom song you can play?

[Shadows Within]

The bit right at the end??

I doubt I'd be able to make that sound decent tbh.



Are there any lead parts in a Bodom song you can play?
I haven't attempted too many besides SNBN which I can't play that great.

[MRDuCran]

Ah right. Well that's certainly diving straight in the deep end in terms of difficulty.

[Shadows Within]

Ah right. Well that's certainly diving straight in the deep end in terms of difficulty.
Well compared to some of his other solos, this ****s easy.

[MRDuCran]

Oh, yeah, I didn't mean solos, just main themes etc. Janne himself says it's still very hard to play at the speed they do.

[Shadows Within]

Oh, yeah, I didn't mean solos, just main themes etc. Janne himself says it's still very hard to play at the speed they do.
Actually all the other stuff I got fine its the trouple I still have trouble on, trying to get those fast parts.

the only part I don't know how to play correctly is the harpsichord chorus cause it shoews in the tabs that hes just doing this backround strings part but if you hear the song and see him do it live hes doing this wierd Harpsichord this. but I just improv and made up a little backround part that seems to be close.

I think also what screws me up is not having his tone...im working on one but its sounding like **** so I think I'll buy a Roland JV-1010 and try to make it on that. then just get his muff pedal.

[MRDuCran]

I've seen him play that Harpsichord bit yeah, he pretty much just arpeggiates the chords that the rest of the band play, except Jaska of course. :)

Maybe I should record a song and you could play keys on it, obviously it'd have to be one we can both play.

[Prince Charming]

I haven't played guitar in a week it seems now. Then again, I lose track of the days thanks to my sleep sceduale.

Maybe I played on monday. I think.

anyways! I'm just losing more and more interest in it. ha.

[repcak]

i haven't played for 2days and yesterday i took my guitar and was playing Inferno at a speed and accuracy that i was :eek: - i never played it that good. i think that playing guitar is like swimming, biking, running - your muscles sometimes need a rest and afterwards you can play much better: so its good to make a short break from time to time;
though today my right shoulder is hurting :p lol... either my left wrist hurts or my shoulder because i try to pick too fast, too soon ... lol atmyself :P

[Benzum]

its called muscle memory
pretty neat-o

[repcak]

muscle memory?
do you mean when you learn something new? i was playing inferno and i practise this song for weeks, so it wasn't "new".

today i started to learn vivaldi summer theme... i like it :p

[Benzum]

muscle memory?
do you mean when you learn something new? i was playing inferno and i practise this song for weeks, so it wasn't "new".

today i started to learn vivaldi summer theme... i like it :p

symphony x, inferno?
that's just scales that are really easy to remember
maybe it's a sign to practice more, maybe it's a sign that you are getting better
:thumb:
of sins and shadows remains the ultimate jam track

[MRDuCran]

i haven't played for 2days and yesterday i took my guitar and was playing Inferno at a speed and accuracy that i was :eek: - i never played it that good. i think that playing guitar is like swimming, biking, running - your muscles sometimes need a rest and afterwards you can play much better: so its good to make a short break from time to time;
though today my right shoulder is hurting :p lol... either my left wrist hurts or my shoulder because i try to pick too fast, too soon ... lol atmyself :P

Congrats. :chug:

Have you been practising Swamphell?

[repcak]

symphony x, inferno?
that's just scales that are really easy to remember
maybe it's a sign to practice more, maybe it's a sign that you are getting better
:thumb:

maybe its easy to remember, but 1) i love playing scales (Alexi is doing this a lot and i just love this style of soloing) and 2) its not that easy; i had my problems, especially with the string skipping, speed and moving of my hand. i won't underrate Inferno.
its just too stupid that i wasn't able to record it, and today i can't play inferno that good as yesterday... grml

@Mitch: i haven't played Swamphell for months and i don't want to learn it. first of all i want to learn how to sweep properly and i haven't practised sweeping for weeks :upset: though i should.

[MRDuCran]

Ah right yeah, I haven't practised sweeping in ages either. Even I couldn't play it properly now if I wanted to. :(

Inferno is hard. There's people in the RIff Game that recorded it and they can hit the notes, BUT it sounds horrible. The decent tone isn't there because they didn't spend enough time practising it slow, it's everyone's problem.

[AA-12]

:o

Update:

Between school and sh!t it took me a day to get SNBN back to decent standards, and now I have another problem (omg excuses). I can't figure out how to properly record it with the backing track all on video.

[MRDuCran]

:o

Update:

Between school and sh!t it took me a day to get SNBN back to decent standards, and now I have another problem (omg excuses). I can't figure out how to properly record it with the backing track all on video.

I don't know if you have it but I record stuff in that manner in Windows Movie Maker.

Plug my guitar into the mic in the back of my computer and choose the "What U Hear" option in WMM. It'll record anything it hears so you can play the backing track in Windows Media Player or any other player, press record and play the guitar.

If you don't have all that^^ look for something similar.

[repcak]

Ah right yeah, I haven't practised sweeping in ages either. Even I couldn't play it properly now if I wanted to. :(

Inferno is hard. There's people in the RIff Game that recorded it and they can hit the notes, BUT it sounds horrible. The decent tone isn't there because they didn't spend enough time practising it slow, it's everyone's problem.
yeah, sweeping is one of the hardest techniques to learn.

good to know that the Inferno version was horrible :p i couldn't listen to it, cause i have a donwloadlimit at home, but now i have again a motivation to learn it as good as possible, cause recently i got a little sloppy at high speed.
i played the whole intro today at 110bpm and will record it at 150 (though its 155bmp fast, but i don't care about the 5bpm more :p )

edit:
btw. today i was able to play 1234 at 120bpm for the first time... i can play faster, yes, but i never was able to play 1234, 1324,1423 exerciese accurate (i mean really perfect, not a single sloppy note) at high speed! i was stuck at 100bpm and now 120.... it sound so great... like shredding :p

[Shadows]

Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.

[repcak]

is this a behemoth avatar?

[MRDuCran]

good to know that the Inferno version was horrible i couldn't listen to it, cause i have a donwloadlimit at home, but now i have again a motivation to learn it as good as possible, cause recently i got a little sloppy at high speed.
i played the whole intro today at 110bpm and will record it at 150 (though its 155bmp fast, but i don't care about the 5bpm more )

I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, don't worry about that 5bpm, if it's completely clean at 150, I'll be impressed.

Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.

Same here. I love adding a bit here and there but I don't go crazy with it and most guitarists are quite sloppy at it, it's just cool to be able to kinda do it so everyone learns it.

[Shadows]

Indeed it is.
@repcak

[repcak]

I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, don't worry about that 5bpm, if it's completely clean at 150, I'll be impressed.
i will do my best.
i wanted to record it next weekend when i will be back in vienna, but i think i'm not ready... it will take some more weeks :/

Same here. I love adding a bit here and there but I don't go crazy with it and most guitarists are quite sloppy at it, it's just cool to be able to kinda do it so everyone learns it.
i want to learn and to play it clean. when somebody plays sweeps sloppy it sound so awful... its the worst thing i can imagine :p
and i don't want to overdo it too. i mean, there exist guitarist who know when its the best moment to play an arpeggio... like praise the almighty by Hate Eternal... the solo is amazing.

Indeed it is.
@repcak
:thumb:

[MRDuCran]

Yeah if you're not ready, don't even think about recording it, definately take as long as you need.

Same with me, I would record the Hate Me solo, Punch Me I Bleed, Everytime I Die etc but there's like one bit that I still can't do perfectly in all of them.

[repcak]

yeah... lets see.

the guy from the riff game, did he recorded it at 150? maybe i will record it at 110

[Katana]

Yeeeeoww!

[MRDuCran]

yeah... lets see.

the guy from the riff game, did he recorded it at 150? maybe i will record it at 110

I don't know what tempo they recorded it at (2 ppl did it) but tbh they both sucked. Don't make the same mistake and rush it.

[Prince Charming]

Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.
I refuse to learn sweeps. :rolleyes:

[repcak]

I don't know what tempo they recorded it at (2 ppl did it) but tbh they both sucked. Don't make the same mistake and rush it.
i don't wanna suck... await the record next year :lol:

but before i will give those both recordings a listen (next week)

[Prince Charming]

booo!

[repcak]

i wanna see you playing inferno :p

booo yourself :lol:


/i think i'm just too funny today... lawl

[Prince Charming]

i wanna see you playing inferno :p

booo yourself :lol:


/i think i'm just too funny today... lawl
I can't even think of that song. Hold on, I'll listen to it and see what I think.

[Prince Charming]

Alright. I'm listening. I don't think I could play some parts of that intro with how little I practice. If I practiced every day as I used to, I could. but yeah.

The singer pisses me off though. He's annoying. I haven't listened to Symphony X in ages.

[repcak]

yeah... power metal singers :upset: but the guitarist (michael romeo) is fantastic.

the intro has some tricky parts: at first i struggled with the string skipping a lot. now i struggle only with accuracy and speed...

/gn8

[Prince Charming]

yeah... power metal singers :upset: but the guitarist (michael romeo) is fantastic.

the intro has some tricky parts: at first i struggled with the string skipping a lot. now i struggle only with accuracy and speed...

/gn8
yes he is He's killlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllller. Yeah. Power Metal vocals drive me nuts and make me want to punch things. ^)^

[Shadows Within]

SWEET, Just got my new stand, I can really see why Janne and Jens like it, its sooo much easier to play like that...does anyone know a site to upload photos to?


EDIT: nvm forgot I had a photobucket account

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/42147/DSCN0938.jpg

You cant see it but it's hooked up to a Marshall AVT-150, alot of people said it would suck but if you put it on Acoustic channel it sounds GREAT!

[MRDuCran]

SWEET, Just got my new stand, I can really see why Janne and Jens like it, its sooo much easier to play like that...does anyone know a site to upload photos to?


EDIT: nvm forgot I had a photobucket account

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/42147/DSCN0938.jpg

You cant see it but it's hooked up to a Marshall AVT-150, alot of people said it would suck but if you put it on Acoustic channel it sounds GREAT!

That looks pretty kickass dude. :cool:

[Prince Charming]

That looks pretty kickass dude. :cool:
yerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :cool:

[repcak]

when i was learning swamphell (or maybe it was another song; i don't remember anymore) my guitar teacher told me that its more important to learn how to play the basic things perfect instead of the hard things (sloppy).

now, after several weeks, i still don't understand him. you too play a lot of guitar and maybe you once heard this or not. does he mean to play an easy blues theme or some nirvana songs? i hope not.

[Squirrel]

He's telling you not to get ahead of yourself.

The pieces you choose to learn must be learned to perfection before learning something that is a step up. It's a slow way to progress.

[MRDuCran]

What's not to understand?

"its more important to learn how to play the basic things perfect"

Basic things = easy melodies, simple powerchord riffs, slow bluesy solos etc.

Perfect = no mistakes.

Basic things perfect = playing easy melodies, simple powerchord riffs, slow bluesy solos with no mistakes.

That's why I always say anyone who attemps to "shred" after playing for a year or so, WILL suck. They haven't spent enough time concentrating on the finer points of guitar playing, like vibrato, correct intonation of bends, slides, hammers/pull offs etc. When you start picking fast straight away, you have no control so the tone of each note is bad which = ghey youtubers attemping Serrena, Technical Difficulties and Scarified.

If you spend time on this stuff, it won't make you any faster but it WILL improve your guitar tone because of the way you hold a note, touch a string, slide to another note etc and that does make a difference. It'll also make anything fast sound good too because you can make every note sound good.

I could go on for a few more hours on this stuff but it's pointless, I've made my point methinks.

[repcak]

yeah, ok. i understand; but i have to ask my guitar teacher once again, cause i don't think that the things i choose to learn were impossible for me to learn (except swamphell without knowing how to sweep) but meanwhile i choose songs i know: not easy, but not impossible to master when i practise it.

what you said, reminds me of my cousin. we both started playing guitar at the same time and like everyone at the beginning want to shred Master of Puppets and play fast. i just recently started to play at a speed i would say... its the speed i like, though i would like to play faster. it was the other way round with my cousin: after one year he was able to play fast... not fast, he was shredding! i still don't know how he had done this progression so fast. he visited me last week (after i haven't seen him playing for over a year) and his techique is horrible, but i don't hear any mistakes or sloppy notes.

my explanation:
1) he is able to play accurate, though his left AND right hand technique is horrible (thumb over the fretboard and only downpicking! he only does alternate picking when he is playing very fast)
2) he is playing sloppy but i can't hear it.
fe.: i asked him if he can sweep arpeggios... he did a 5string arpeggio very fast but i was not sure if it was perfect or not... it wasn't horrible but i was not perfect. my cousin never "practised" anything, he only plays and plays and plays the whole day.

tbh i can't imagine that someone is able to play clean with the playing technique he uses.



edit:
another thing: playing guitar is like sport.
fingers => muscles
sport = training muscles
sport = playing guitar

some yrs ago my dad was running every day for an hour and i asked him if there were days when he was running better or worse than the other day. his answer yes. ok its the same with guitar.
then i asked him how it was when he made a longer break. the first time after the break you run very well, its great. on the 2nd day you suck. the next few days you will increase slowly your strength, endurance, etc.
so its the same with playing guitar. i haven't played for over one week cause i was on holidays, afterwards i played only for one or two hours, then made a break of two days and was able to play inferno at an accuracy and speed i was stunned (i posted it :p) and today i just suck at playing guitar...

maybe my point is pointless, but maybe its interesting for you to make connection with sport and learn some things and attempt it on the guitar. so its ( i think) a good think to make a break one day before a gig or something like that...

[MRDuCran]

Chances are it's not perfectly clean if you can't tell.

You can hear every single note Paul Gilbert plays regardless of his speed, that's good technique.


"i choose songs i know: not easy, but not impossible to master when i practise it."

This isn't what he means. This is too much, over the top.

BASIC stuff is stuff like bends, slides, vibrato. Stuff that doesn't involve high speed. Marty Friedman's melodies are great for practising this stuff.

Eg, Arrival, Bittersweet, Valley of Eternity, Angel, Thunder March etc.

[Sevenfold]

Bed of Razors, everyone other song bores me
Bed of Razors is my favorite, followed by Everytime I die and Trashed, Lost and Strungout :chug:

[repcak]

Chances are it's not perfectly clean if you can't tell.

You can hear every single note Paul Gilbert plays regardless of his speed, that's good technique.

thats true and i couldn't hear every single note he was playing - i only wasn't sure if it was sloppy. its difficult to hear sloppy notes when something is very fast. f.e.: inferno - 9 notes per seconds *g*


BASIC stuff is stuff like bends, slides, vibrato. Stuff that doesn't involve high speed. Marty Friedman's melodies are great for practising this stuff.
i have to check him out.
next week i have to spend more time on rhythm... i play to much melodies and lead stuff, solos, scales... i need more chords :p

ps.: i made an edit above...


edit:
is it possible that Vivaldi (Passage to the Reaper - Demonstration by Alexi and Roope) is written in Fminor?

edit#2:
in what scale is inferno written? i just tried to analyze it;
G G# B C D D # F
any ideas?

[MRDuCran]

thats true and i couldn't hear every single note he was playing - i only wasn't sure if it was sloppy. its difficult to hear sloppy notes when something is very fast. f.e.: inferno - 9 notes per seconds *g*

Then it was probably sloppy. Also knowing that he's only been playing a short amount of time, he'll be one of those people who's playing faster than they can handle.


i have to check him out.
next week i have to spend more time on rhythm... i play to much melodies and lead stuff, solos, scales... i need more chords :p

It's not so much learning loads of chords, it's more about concentrating on exactly how you play the leads. For example, take a Bodom lead like the Hate Me melody, or Children of Bodom, Bed of Razors, Needled 24/7 etc and play it so slow so it sounds absolutely perfect, no mistakes what so ever. Then just look at exactly how you're holding the guitar, gripping the neck, pressing down the string, what part of your finger, which finger, where abouts between the frets ETC!!! and make a note of that. Then you do the exact same thing for everything near enough so that when you're playing fast, it'll sound good.

All that stuff is what Steve Vai used to work on when he was younger and it's how he gets that signature sound. Noone will sound exactly like Vai because of the way he does all that^^.


edit:
is it possible that Vivaldi (Passage to the Reaper - Demonstration by Alexi and Roope) is written in Fminor?

Gmin.

edit#2:
in what scale is inferno written? i just tried to analyze it;
G G# B C D D # F
any ideas?

It's in the key of Cmin and uses the #7 (B natural) instead of the natural (Bb), but the constant use of the open G string implies G phrygian dominant.

G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F.

[repcak]

Then it was probably sloppy. Also knowing that he's only been playing a short amount of time, he'll be one of those people who's playing faster than they can handle.
i fear i can't handle those 150bpm in inferno. maybe its the click of the metronome: i practised it today at 110 and suddenly i coudln't hear every click... only every 2nd or something like that. now i'm not sure if i will hear every "click" at 150 to play in time...

take a Bodom lead like the Hate Me melody, or Children of Bodom, Bed of Razors, Needled 24/7 etc and play it so slow so it sounds absolutely perfect, no mistakes what so ever. Then just look at exactly how you're holding the guitar, gripping the neck, pressing down the string, what part of your finger, which finger, where abouts between the frets ETC!!! and make a note of that. Then you do the exact same thing for everything near enough so that when you're playing fast, it'll sound good.

All that stuff is what Steve Vai used to work on when he was younger and it's how he gets that signature sound. Noone will sound exactly like Vai because of the way he does all that^^.
i don't really understand what you mean ...


Vivaldi in Gmin? ok, i only realized a lot of Fmin arpeggios in the tab... so therefore i guessed its in Fmin.


It's in the key of Cmin and uses the #7 (B natural) instead of the natural (Bb), but the constant use of the open G string implies G phrygian dominant.

G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F.
aaaahhh.... i took 5min for me to understand it... G phrygian... sure. thanks :D

[AA-12]

I don't know if you have it but I record stuff in that manner in Windows Movie Maker.

Plug my guitar into the mic in the back of my computer and choose the "What U Hear" option in WMM. It'll record anything it hears so you can play the backing track in Windows Media Player or any other player, press record and play the guitar.

If you don't have all that^^ look for something similar.
I'm on a Mac. Maybe I could use iMovie somehow.

[MRDuCran]

i fear i can't handle those 150bpm in inferno. maybe its the click of the metronome: i practised it today at 110 and suddenly i coudln't hear every click... only every 2nd or something like that. now i'm not sure if i will hear every "click" at 150 to play in time...

Well as I said, don't feel like you have to post a recording any time soon, or even at all. Play it and the tempo you're comfortable with.

i don't really understand what you mean ...

|| ||

I hope you know that the frets are the metal bars that are planted into the fretboard...so I meant take notice of where abouts in between the frets you put the finger. I'm sure you know to put it just behind the fret you're playing so it doesn't buzz, and don't put your finger ON the fret because that will cause buzzing too.

Same with fast playing, your fingers need to be in the perfect place.

Vivaldi in Gmin? ok, i only realized a lot of Fmin arpeggios in the tab... so therefore i guessed its in Fmin.

Can you show me the tab you use?

I'm on a Mac. Maybe I could use iMovie somehow.

Maybe? I have no idea how Macs work or how they're different to normal computers...

aaaahhh.... i took 5min for me to understand it... G phrygian... sure. thanks

G phrygian DOMINANT, that' important because the dominant refers to the raised 3rd (as I said, B instead of Bb)

[MRDuCran]

I just thought I'd upload a few more recordings n sh!t.

I'm hosting them on putfile 'cause it's easier to listen to but it decreases the quality a bit so they sound a little quieter and a little less bassy. None of them are complete and are all just rough because I enjoy recording little clips and I’m too lazy to program out full songs on drums.

http://media.putfile.com/Bodom-After-Midnight-11
http://media.putfile.com/Silent-Night-Bodom-Night-12
http://media.putfile.com/Needled-247-99
http://media.putfile.com/Nemesis-23
http://media.putfile.com/Dragonforce---Black-Fire-intro
http://media.putfile.com/PAUL-GILBERT-57-19
http://media.putfile.com/Immigrant-Song-32
http://media.putfile.com/Everytime-I-Die-39
http://media.putfile.com/Kissing-the-Shadows-64
http://media.putfile.com/KtS-solo-rhythm-guitars

[AA-12]

Your production is pretty kick *** mang

[repcak]

omfg... would like to listen to your recordings... grml... one more week :p

Well as I said, don't feel like you have to post a recording any time soon, or even at all. Play it and the tempo you're comfortable with.
if i see that i can't master 150bpm i will record it at a comfortable speed. i'll see.

I hope you know that the frets are the metal bars that are planted into the fretboard...so I meant take notice of where abouts in between the frets you put the finger. I'm sure you know to put it just behind the fret you're playing so it doesn't buzz, and don't put your finger ON the fret because that will cause buzzing too.

Same with fast playing, your fingers need to be in the perfect place.

ah, ok. now i understand what you mean now.

Can you show me the tab you use?

its the tab from mysongbook... titled: sinergy - passage to the reaper - demonstration #1. if you don't have it i can upload it next week, when you remember me to do it. will be back in vienna on friday (evening)

G phrygian DOMINANT, that' important because the dominant refers to the raised 3rd (as I said, B instead of Bb)
but it can be a C harmonic minor as well ...

/just learnt some theory today ^^

[MRDuCran]

Your production is pretty kick *** mang

:cool:

its the tab from mysongbook... titled: sinergy - passage to the reaper - demonstration #1. if you don't have it i can upload it next week, when you remember me to do it. will be back in vienna on friday (evening)

Oh ok well it's in Gmin.

but it can be a C harmonic minor as well ...

/just learnt some theory today ^^

Yeah, that's what I said but you'd call it G phrygian dominant because the whole intro is based off that open G pedal.

[Prince Charming]

I jammed for a while last night and had some fun. I'm also quite bored and always awesome.

[MRDuCran]

kl.

[Shadows Within]

I hope you know that the frets are the metal bars that are planted into the fretboard...so I meant take notice of where abouts in between the frets you put the finger. I'm sure you know to put it just behind the fret you're playing so it doesn't buzz, and don't put your finger ON the fret because that will cause buzzing too.
thank god i don't have to worry about that ****

[MRDuCran]

thank god i don't have to worry about that ****

Well yeah but you still have to make sure you hit the key in exactly the right place otherwise you could hit another one next to it with the side of your finger/thumb.

[repcak]

good morning :)

one more question... G phrygian dominant. i know that the dominant means that its a B instead of a Bb, but why is it called dominant? how do i know that dominant means the 3rd note in the scale? why not another note?

edit:
wow this is my 3,600th post AND the 1,100th post ITT :eek: nice numbers

[Prince Charming]

Post Count is a sad story. I lost tons of posts in that What are you listening to now thread. I should spam more so I don't lose PC when threads are deleted. ^_^

This theory ITT makes me dred the thought of one of my classes. I'd drop everything and walk away. I'd like that a lot. I just don't have anything instead of college in my immediate mind.

[MRDuCran]

good morning :)

one more question... G phrygian dominant. i know that the dominant means that its a B instead of a Bb, but why is it called dominant? how do i know that dominant means the 3rd note in the scale? why not another note?

edit:
wow this is my 3,600th post AND the 1,100th post ITT :eek: nice numbers

I'm not sure WHY it's called dominant, but it's the 3rd note in the scale because you're just using modes of the harmonic minor scale.

Instead of starting on C and playing through the harm minor scale like this:

C, D, Eb, F, G, Ab = B, C.

(the "=" being the important interval in this scale). You start this scale on G, so you get:

G, A = B, C, D, Eb, F, G.

It just happens to be the 3rd but they're exactly the same notes.


On a side note, I have over 7GB of Children of Bodom related stuff. :)

[repcak]

i know how to shift position in a scale, like in harmonic minor. so the G phrygian dominant has its own formula ...
well, i thought this way: there exist a prim, a unison, a quint, etc. (i don't know exact the english names of the intervals), so that dominant is saying somehow that it has to be the third note in the scale - that there is a "one and a half" step between two notes instead of one or a half step.
whatever... never mind.


7GB? hm... would like to know how much i have... all albums + videos + concerts ... hm... i will check this out at my computer :p
what files do you have?

[MRDuCran]

i know how to shift position in a scale, like in harmonic minor. so the G phrygian dominant has its own formula ...
well, i thought this way: there exist a prim, a unison, a quint, etc. (i don't know exact the english names of the intervals), so that dominant is saying somehow that it has to be the third note in the scale - that there is a "one and a half" step between two notes instead of one or a half step.
whatever... never mind.


7GB? hm... would like to know how much i have... all albums + videos + concerts ... hm... i will check this out at my computer :p
what files do you have?

lol dude, don't confuse yourself.

I told you, it's only the 3rd because it happens to be in that place when you start on the G note in C harmonic minor.

It'd be the 2nd if you started on Ab.


I have alot of files, all albums, all official videos, loads of full gigs, lodas of bootleg audios, pics of band, pics of Alexi's guitars etc. I'm obviously trying to get as muh as possible.

[repcak]

i miss some of their official videos... i don't have all; i think deadnight warrior is the one i don't have. some gigs and pics.

bootlegs? which ones... are they good?


vivaldi is fukking hard... i thought it would be easier. its difficult enough to play accurate at the higher frets (around 22th)... the frets are so tiny so that it sounds sloppy easily.
i will learn vivaldi but without metronome... i don't know... a little bit too hard :(

[MRDuCran]

Some of the bootlegs are great quality, some are terrible. It's nothing major but I like having them.

lolol listen:

http://media.putfile.com/Children-of-Bodom---Youre-Better-Off-Dead-live-intro

If you can't play The Four Seasons without a metronome, it's doubtful you'll be able to play it without, unless it's a lot slower or something. Yes it's hard but concentrate on other things first otherwise you'll end up sloppy like me.

[repcak]

i will learn vivaldi for fun, for myself.

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I might do too.

[repcak]

... or not.

i will put away the vivaldi tab and take again the episode 666 tab (by inflames) and will try to master the riff.

in the riff game it is (or was) categorized under "easy" but the end of the riff - those offbeats are not easy imo ... or at least for me...
i just recently started to "learn" offbeats and maybe thats the reason why i have problem with the riff... i can't play it clean even at 60bpm and the song is 160bpm fast... i suck :lol:

edit: i just have seen that you have recorded a C# Phrygian solo and made a thread about it... my god, i can't wait to be in vienna again and listen to all your recordings :D
ist guitar technique good? i saw it several times but its expensive so i never bought it.

[MRDuCran]

I've heard Episode 666 but haven't learnt it so I don't know what you're doing through.

Why can't you listen to stuff where you are now?

And, what's "guitar technique"?

[Shadows]

I tried learning The Four Seasons a while ago. It wasn't bad except for a few choice parts. I just didn't enjoy playing because it felt very unomfortable at times.

[pate]

I don't have my guitar at school with me for another week. I'm going insane.

[unknownsoldier12]

he must be referring to either a book or video called "guitar technique"

[MRDuCran]

he must be referring to either a book or video called "guitar technique"

Yeah probably. He already has that Trey book, or whatever his name is.

So I don't see why he'd need anything else, he likes it alot.

[pate]

Troy Stetina?

[MRDuCran]

Yup, that's the one.

I haven't bothered downloading that because I believe the only thing stopping me progressing is my now apparant lack on motivation/concentration.

[repcak]

recently i only play guitar... i'm so fukking motivated :p

And, what's "guitar technique"?
i was talking about the guitar technique magazine (your thread: http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483164 )

Why can't you listen to stuff where you are now?
on this computer at my parents house we have a 500MB downloadlimit and when i overstep the limit i have to pay ... it happened last year! i had to pay over 100€

[Prince Charming]

recently i only play guitar... i'm so fukking motivated :p


i was talking about the guitar technique magazine (your thread: http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483164 )


on this computer at my parents house we have a 500MB downloadlimit and when i overstep the limit i have to pay ... it happened last year! i had to pay over 100€

/thx his lucky dark and grimm stars for unlimited bandwidth!

I jammed around today. Tried to figure the first lead in ETID, but didn't do well. The heavy chords part is fun to play and headbang with.

[repcak]

/thx his lucky dark and grimm stars for unlimited bandwidth!
in vienna i have unlimited bandwith + network with over 400computers :naughty: guess how many files are flying around in this network :p

[Prince Charming]

in vienna i have unlimited bandwith + network with over 400computers :naughty: guess how many files are flying around in this network :p
Umm. None? I assume everyone abides by their countries laws reguarding copyrights?

[MRDuCran]

recently i only play guitar... i'm so fukking motivated :p


i was talking about the guitar technique magazine (your thread: http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483164 )


Oh right ok. Well to me, guitar magazines are pointless because there's hardly anything they can teach me about technique. As I said, the only thing stopping me getting better is not practising.

I also downloaded the audio for this magazine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/YOUNG-GUITAR-EXTRA-ALEXI-LAIHO-GUITAR-TAB-WITH-CD_W0QQitemZ180022317998QQcmdZViewItem

Some tracks are terrible. The playing is bad, the tone is even worse.

Same with my Paul Gilbert special, the playing is sooo sloppy, it really doesn't set a good example.

[unknownsoldier12]

does anyone have an archive of Hatebreeder tab (the album, not just that track)

I was thinking straight up tab, or if you could export a guitar pro tab to adobe acrobat, that would be a God-send

[repcak]

Yeah probably. He already has that Trey book, or whatever his name is.

So I don't see why he'd need anything else, he likes it alot.
yeah, exactly. i sat down and said: "now you learn some legato licks and practise them"
i have the legato exercises by john petrucci (rock discipline) and troy stetina's book (speed mechanics for lead guitar). the exercises are the same, but JP is showing exercises, Troy is showing LICK-exercises which are awesome!
i love this guy :p

[MRDuCran]

He probably is good but perfecting any lick can be good if you practise it properly, it's all about concentration and making sure every note is perfect like Kurrpt is always saying.

does anyone have an archive of Hatebreeder tab (the album, not just that track)

I was thinking straight up tab, or if you could export a guitar pro tab to adobe acrobat, that would be a God-send

What's wrong with just GP tabs?

[unknownsoldier12]

oh nothing...

the problem is, when my brother moved in, her put my computer in the basement. I wanted him to put guitar pro and my music onto his machine, but he failed that miserably.

Basically, I have no guitar pro at this time :upset:

[MRDuCran]

Want me to upload it?

[unknownsoldier12]

guitar pro?

I wouldnt have a way to get it home. If i had the internet at home, then yea, it would be easy.

My girl wants to kick my brother out soon. When that goes into effect, ill have my guitar pro back

[MRDuCran]

Oh right fair enough.

Well when you export tabs as PDF, it only does the track you're viewing, right? I would have thought you'd want both parts and solos for each song.

[unknownsoldier12]

I would hahaha


i usually learn every track, then combine parts, or make into one guitar track actually. Im just weird like that I suppose haha

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I do that too. Admittedly, it's usually all the parts Alexi plays but sometimes I have to learn all the parts because I record alot.

Have you checked ultimate-guitar? They've got loads on there.

[unknownsoldier12]

ill have to do that.

Normally, i have most of the track memorized in my head (ear). When i look at the tabs, I really pick and choose which sections I think sound better alone, ya know (no keyboard player, maybe just a click track, etc)

I really don't know which sections are Alexi's tbh, but i think i could figure them out if I really wanted.

If i still had a way to record, I'd probably learn all the track individually and combine them.

I DID get my Krank fixed, so im motivated to learn some more songs. Ive basically been listening to hatebreeder for the last 2 weeks straight. I bought a gig card for my PSP, and put about 8 CDs on there. Its not quite having my Ipod, but its nice none the less

[MRDuCran]

If you want Alexi's parts, listen to the cds and he's on the right side.
I think he's left on AYDY though.

Basically, he always plays the solos and most of the verse/chorus leads, except for a few like in Downfall, Mask of Sanity, Hatebreeder, for example.

Live videos always help too if you really wanted to find out.

[unknownsoldier12]

i know for most of his singing parts, he just chugs right?

[MRDuCran]

It depends on the song tbh. Kissing the Shadows, he plays all of the leads you hear and sings at the same time, but the main theme in Mask of Sanity was played live by Alexander, I don't know why they mix it up.

[unknownsoldier12]

I think on the hatebreeder album, he mostly chugs during the verses...


anyway, I don't like just chugging if theres a more demanding part in the mix. Id rather spend the time and play the hard stuff. I find it more enjoyable

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I play the harder parts too, because I'm not doing vocals so you can concentrate more on that. So saying that, you could just learn all the lead parts.

[unknownsoldier12]

I normally learn the lead parts, but i find my rhythm needs the most work. I've been concentrating way too much on lead, and I eventually want to get to the point where complex Nevermore-esque rhythms are a walk in the park.

So yea, i really do learn all the parts

[MRDuCran]

Ah yeah, Nevermore. Their rhythms are definately hard, I'd need to practise some of those first for sure. I'm really happy enough with y lead playing yet to be concentrating properly on rhythm though.

My ultimate goal is to be able to play the stuff on Paul Gilbert's Intense Rock 1.

[unknownsoldier12]

im trying to become more "rounded" at this point...

but yea, i still practice sweeping way too much :lol:

[repcak]

paul gilbert's intense rock I? hm... good?

dou you know if there is a guitar book by Yngwie Malmsteen? I think Alexi should write one :)

[MRDuCran]

Yes, unbelievably good. Some people don't like it but his playing is amazing clean and accurate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AqRvYDkXP2c

There's quite a few Yngwie books in terms of "lesson" stuff, plus all the tab books for his albums. There IS an Alexi one but it's not a lesson, it's a book with tabs from a few Children of Bodom songs, but they'll all be wrong because it's Japanese. Plus, Alexi has done 2 full Young Guitar videos with tabs.

im trying to become more "rounded" at this point...

but yea, i still practice sweeping way too much :lol:

I don't practise sweeping anymore, I hardly practise at all. I've been going downhill for the last 2 1/2 years.

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, my practice fell out a bit when my amp broke, but now thats its fixed, i find time for it.

Normally i practice about 20 minutes even before work

[Squirrel]

paul gilbert's intense rock I? hm... good?

dou you know if there is a guitar book by Yngwie Malmsteen? I think Alexi should write one :)


Eeeeew, bad idea.

[repcak]

Mitch, do you want to insult me? you post links to videos although you know that i CAN'T see them till friday ... grml :(

why are the japanese versions of his songs wrong? i thought alexi was the one who wrote them?

I don't practise sweeping anymore, I hardly practise at all. I've been going downhill for the last 2 1/2 years.
you haven't practised sweeping for 2 1/2 yrs, right? how long do you play guitar? 2 1/2yrs ago i was happy when i was able to play Master of Puppets :p


as i see nevermore is good for rhythm... what bands have good rhythm things i can practise? i have to work more on rhythm too, but nevermore is too difficult. some easier bands... any suggestions?

[Squirrel]

What kind of rhythm are you talking about ?

Timing ? Stamina ?

[Shadows Within]

as i see nevermore is good for rhythm... what bands have good rhythm things i can practise? i have to work more on rhythm too, but nevermore is too difficult. some easier bands... any suggestions?
Iced Earth :chug:

[unknownsoldier12]

my rhythm practice focuses on my technique, or lack there of. It really doesn't matter what types of rhythms I'm playing for me to get a lot of work from it. Speed is not of importance. If you are having timing issues, I just slow it down to 1/4 notes at a reasonable speed and work it out (almost like on paper) Once you have the rudiments down, speeding it up is easy

[MRDuCran]

Mitch, do you want to insult me? you post links to videos although you know that i CAN'T see them till friday ... grml :(

why are the japanese versions of his songs wrong? i thought alexi was the one who wrote them?

you haven't practised sweeping for 2 1/2 yrs, right? how long do you play guitar? 2 1/2yrs ago i was happy when i was able to play Master of Puppets :p


as i see nevermore is good for rhythm... what bands have good rhythm things i can practise? i have to work more on rhythm too, but nevermore is too difficult. some easier bands... any suggestions?

Oops, I totally forgot about your limit thing, sorry. :o

No, Alexi doesn't write out the tabs, the Japanese transcribe them, and they always bugger up the fingerings for it, although the notes are usually close.

I have practised sweeping in the last few months probably, I meant 2 1/2 years ago I used to play 4-9 hours a day, nowadays there's times when I don't even plug it in.

[unknownsoldier12]

yea, i know what you meant DuCran :thumb:

[repcak]

Iced Earth ... to fast.

i meatn mostly timing, gallops, offbeats (8th, 16th), breaks in a rhythm, etc. but maybe slowing down would be the better option.

once i had a period when i was playing the whole day, but it was short. i play for 2-3hours most... recently (the last few days) for 4-6hours, but i never played 9h :eek:
my other problem is/was that i made big breaks... f.e. i haven't played guitar for 4months! i made too often too big breaks without reason... now i take playing guitar serious since 2006.

[Squirrel]

I don't mean it in a harsh way, but if Iced Earth is too hard for you rhythmically, then you have a long way to go.

[repcak]

Iced Earth is fast, thats all... i once learnt some Iced Earth riffs but not in the speed they should be.

[Shadows Within]

Iced Earth ... to fast.

i meatn mostly timing, gallops, offbeats (8th, 16th), breaks in a rhythm, etc. but maybe slowing down would be the better option.

once i had a period when i was playing the whole day, but it was short. i play for 2-3hours most... recently (the last few days) for 4-6hours, but i never played 9h :eek:
my other problem is/was that i made big breaks... f.e. i haven't played guitar for 4months! i made too often too big breaks without reason... now i take playing guitar serious since 2006.
Iced Earth is like the king of galloping riffs.

[Squirrel]

Iced Earth is fast, thats all... i once learnt some Iced Earth riffs but not in the speed they should be.

They really aren't fast.

[MRDuCran]

I don't think I've heard any Iced Earth, I'll check them out in a few hours.


I just realised I have 2 albums so I'll give them a listen.

[Squirrel]

I'd say they're like Metallica meets 'Maiden.

[MRDuCran]

In that case, I'll probably like a few riffs/solos here and there, and find most of it boring. I probably won't like the vocals much either.

[Forlorn Hope]

I like the vocalist they had for Something Wicked This Way Comes. I think that was the album...it's the one with Meloncholy (Holy Martyr) on it.

[Squirrel]

Matt Barlow, he was on like, every release but a couple.

[repcak]

wow... i just hit the 140bpm mark... some days ago i hit the 120bpm and now 140bpm! :eek: the problem mainly was not that i'm not able to play that fast, but to play it in time with the metronome... i wasn't able to "hear" every click while playing at this speed... now i can. so Inferno is within reach

i played inferno at 140, then 130 ... though without metronome i play it faster than 140, ... i just have to get used to this "click" at 150 :)
i'm so happy... i reached a speed i always wanted to reach when i started to play guitar :D

tbh... its a "little" bit sloppy... but not that horrible. with a little practise there won't be any sloppy notes


btw. when i look back it was stupid that i started to learn "inferno" though i exactly knew i am not able to play it at 150 (or maybe i thought i will?!) - hm... i think i started to learn it, but never thought i will ever reach the 150bmp mark... hehe

[unknownsoldier12]

congrats...

I can't even find my metronome

[MRDuCran]

Cool man, good luck on getting it up to 100% accuracy and full speed.

If it was me, I'd go down until it wasn't a "little" bit sloppy, though.

[repcak]

thanks,

i know... right now the "fun" is more important for me :)

in this case: fun = fast ^^

[unknownsoldier12]

it would be more beneficial to eliminate the mistakes as quickly as possibly. If you practice mistakes, you are really not progressing, ya know

[repcak]

c'mon, don't be too strict... 5min fun, 30min practising :p call it "practising in bursts" fast, slow, fast, slow ^^

the last week was a great week... i played a lot, increased my speed, and overall i made huge steps forward in playing.
one of the things is legato... i can play trills for some minutes without problems... one week ago i played trills for 30seconds and i had to stop... but whatever - i have one question (though i don't know if you ever practised legato)

-10h12p10h13p10
-----------------10h12p10h13p10
----------------------------------10h12p10h13p10 etc.
i can mute the strings going up with my left hand/fingers

but, how do you mute the strings going down?
----------------------------------10h12p10h13p10
-----------------10h12p10h13p10
-10h12p10h13p10

it happens that the string i played before rings, when i change the string... its much more difficult to mute the string and i have no idea how to do it best. any experience? suggestions? i tried to mute it with the left hand/fingers but this seems very difficult and tricky OR i will mute it with my picking hand, but then i will change techniques -> going up = left hand, going down = picking hand.

:rolleyes:

[unknownsoldier12]

o well, if you are only at that speed for a small amount of time, then reducing it for a longer duration, you can't argue with that.

You gave the impression that you are over clocking yourself. Speaking from experience, it only does yourself a dis-service

[Prince Charming]

They really aren't even good.
Word!!!

They are about as generic and uninspired as the rest of power metal type stuff.

At least they don't fly on dragons.

[unknownsoldier12]

as far as muting goes, its widely accepted that if you are playing the bottom 3 strings, use your pick hand, top 3, use your fret hand...

for me, it depends where im going, and where i came from.

for example, if im playing on the high e string, and want to switch to the B string, ill use my fret hand.

If im playing on the low e string, and moving to the a string, ill use my pick hand.

with a lot of high gain amps, they will require you to mute with your fret hand most of the time to get rid of unwanted noise.

[Prince Charming]

as far as muting goes, its widely accepted that if you are playing the bottom 3 strings, use your pick hand, top 3, use your fret hand...

for me, it depends where im going, and where i came from.

for example, if im playing on the high e string, and want to switch to the B string, ill use my fret hand.

If im playing on the low e string, and moving to the a string, ill use my pick hand.

with a lot of high gain amps, they will require you to mute with your fret hand most of the time to get rid of unwanted noise.

I always mute with my picking hand. How does one properly mute with a fret hand?

[MudvayneFreak666]

hey guys. im back. I tried are you dead you? and if you want peace prepare for wars very hard. I cannot play them well, way harder then death blooms or happy?

[Shadows Within]

hey guys. im back. I tried are you dead you? and if you want peace prepare for wars very hard. I cannot play them well, way harder then death blooms or happy?
Duh...it's nu-metal...not that hard. and it's "Are You Dead Yet?" and "If You Wan't Peace Prepare For War"

[Shadows]

I always mute with my picking hand. How does one properly mute with a fret hand?
Touching your finger lightly to the string, just as you would for a natural harmonic.

[Po0sH]

Hey guys, I just got a call from COBHC management, apparently alexi was sick, so im gonna fill in for him during european unholy alliance tour. lolDuh...it's nu-metal...not that hard. and it's "Are You Dead Yet?" and "If You Wan't Peace Prepare For War"
lol obsessive compulsive

[Prince Charming]

Touching your finger lightly to the string, just as you would for a natural harmonic.
That's fine and dandy for playing 000000000000

but what are 33-55-6-4-3-
pm....................

[MRDuCran]

That's fine and dandy for playing 000000000000

but what are 33-55-6-4-3-
pm....................

He didn't really explain it well.

You put your finger down onto the string, then press it to the fretboard to sound the note.

Then to mute it, you decrease the pressure so the string comes off of the fretboard but your finger is still touching the string, this results in silence if done correctly.

[Prince Charming]

He didn't really explain it well.

You put your finger down onto the string, then press it to the fretboard to sound the note.

Then to mute it, you decrease the pressure so the string comes off of the fretboard but your finger is still touching the string, this results in silence if done correctly.
I'll alright. I'll try that tonight. So, then what's the difference between doing that on the 1st fret and 5th fret, if you don't even play the note?

[MRDuCran]

No no, you do that after you play a note so it doesn't ring into another. The motion has to be at light speed though, especially when performing such techniques as sweep picking. This technique is essential for sweeping and it's possible to mute this way (left hand) with no right hand muting at all and still have it sound clean.

[Prince Charming]

No no, you do that after you play a note so it doesn't ring into another. The motion has to be at light speed though, especially when performing such techniques as sweep picking. This technique is essential for sweeping and it's possible to mute this way (left hand) with no right hand muting at all and still have it sound clean.
Ohhhh! Ok. That makes a lot of sense, though I don't want to sweep. ^)^

NP Warmen- Return Of Salieri

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I know but stuff like finger rolling on one fret would require this. Something like the intro to Viking Kong by Racer X:

E-5---7---8----
B--5---5---5---
G---5---5---5--

I use up, up, down for the picking and you roll your finger over the strings at the 5th fret but you're muting different strings with different parts of your finger because you keep it in one place. It's definately something you have to get used to at first but after a while, it's a large piece of chocolate cake.

[Po0sH]

i like cake

[Prince Charming]

Yeah I know but stuff like finger rolling on one fret would require this. Something like the intro to Viking Kong by Racer X:

E-5---7---8----
B--5---5---5---
G---5---5---5--

I use up, up, down for the picking and you roll your finger over the strings at the 5th fret but you're muting different strings with different parts of your finger because you keep it in one place. It's definately something you have to get used to at first but after a while, it's a large piece of chocolate cake.
Hmm. I roll my fingers alot already. I've try and be more consious and see what I'm doing.

[Toaster]

No no, you do that after you play a note so it doesn't ring into another. The motion has to be at light speed though, especially when performing such techniques as sweep picking. This technique is essential for sweeping and it's possible to mute this way (left hand) with no right hand muting at all and still have it sound clean.

Is it? That's always been hard for me to do, I have to rely heavily on right-hand muting when I sweep pick. Maybe I should work on my left hand muting.

[unknownsoldier12]

to be good, you really need to use both in conjunction to get it sounding very clean.

A lot of people rely too much on their right hand muting to make up for shoddy technique. I tend to do the exact opposite, and rely too much on my fret hand muting technique :/

[MRDuCran]

Is it? That's always been hard for me to do, I have to rely heavily on right-hand muting when I sweep pick. Maybe I should work on my left hand muting.

Well in my opinion it is yeah. As long as I don't hit open strings by accident with my right hand, I can get it to sound clean without muting. Do note that I'm not Jason becker or Rusty Cooley though, I just mean at a steady speed, when I do it properly I usually mute the downstrokes because I think it sounds good.

[repcak]

so it doesn't matter if i do it left or right hand... i can use both... legato upwards -> left hand muting, legato downwards -> right hand muting. that's fine and yeah... both techniques similtonously is the best :thumb:

i want to record some of my sweeping arpeggios ... would like to see if you think they are "clean enough" *g*


btw. i fell in love with the diminished (?) chord :D
---9
--8
-7
its the one witht the tritonus (?) (i'm not sure if its the same name in english) whatever.
it has such a fantastic sound i love...

[MRDuCran]

so it doesn't matter if i do it left or right hand... i can use both... legato upwards -> left hand muting, legato downwards -> right hand muting. that's fine and yeah... both techniques similtonously is the best :thumb:

i want to record some of my sweeping arpeggios ... would like to see if you think they are "clean enough" *g*


btw. i fell in love with the diminished (?) chord :D
---9
--8
-7
its the one witht the tritonus (?) (i'm not sure if its the same name in english) whatever.
it has such a fantastic sound i love...

You should record something. :thumb:

Yeah the diminshed chord is good. It's a bit overused in metal though since nearly everyone must use it at some point and you can find it in loads of solos, e.g Laiho, Becker, Friedman, Gibert, Cooley etc all use it loads and all the people that are influenced by them probably do too so you kinda have to use it carefully if you don't want to sound cliche. The interval in English is Tritone.

[repcak]

yes, i will record something soon. i travel to vienna tomorrow evening.

diminished chord... ah, ok... overused? when i first learnt the chord (musical and harmony theory) by my guitar teacher i thought "stupid chord ... i can't even play it, the stretching is too big for met, etc." and now i looked at the tabs of some Nile song and in one of them i suddenly saw the diminished chord and then i played it and i started to like it...
in general i like the tritone... its a loverelationship :lol:

[MRDuCran]

yes, i will record something soon. i travel to vienna tomorrow evening.

diminished chord... ah, ok... overused? when i first learnt the chord (musical and harmony theory) by my guitar teacher i thought "stupid chord ... i can't even play it, the stretching is too big for met, etc." and now i looked at the tabs of some Nile song and in one of them i suddenly saw the diminished chord and then i played it and i started to like it...
in general i like the tritone... its a loverelationship :lol:

Well it's not the diminished chord that's used alot, it's the fully diminished arpeggio.

E-6-3-------3--9-6-------6--12-9---------9--
B-----5---5--------8---8----------11---11----
G-------6------------9---------------12------

Etc, you can find that shape in loads of solos from the guys I mentioned earlier.

[repcak]

ups... that's a very similar arpeggio part from troy stetina's book :p

tbh. i like this arpeggio much more (its my favourite one)
-15-11---------11
-------13---13
----------12

afterwards follows those two arpeggios
-15-12--------12
------13---13
---------12
AND
-20-15-----15
------16-16
--------17

i don't care much about the other ones, though they are important too, but the sound (especially of the first one) is a sound i love.
i want to concentrate mainly on those...

[Shred Danson]

tbh. i like this arpeggio much more (its my favourite one)
-15-11---------11
-------13---13
----------12

Nice. I just played that arpeggio with the 10th fret replacing the 11th, it sounds all eclectic and proggy :p

[MRDuCran]

Nice. I just played that arpeggio with the 10th fret replacing the 11th, it sounds all eclectic and proggy :p

Csus2 eh? :smoke:

Repcak: the one you like is a Cmin btw, and I noticed all the arpeggios you listed were from that powertab I uploaded a while ago. :chug:

[Shadows]

Does anyone else notice how the thread title isn't remotely related to the discussion topic anymore?

[MRDuCran]

Oh well, it's guitar technique, it helps play Bodom songs, it could relate if you think about it. :)

[Shadows]

I guess. For some reason I really dislike guitar talk around here, and that's why I never pop in anymore. Oh well...

[MRDuCran]

Well it just seems to come up alot since Repcak asks for help alot and I'm more than happy to give my opnion on things.

Everything strictly CoB related has been done to death unfortunately.

Maybe when the new DVD comes out, it will spark some sort of discussion, that's if alot of people here actually buy it or in Dylan's case, torrent it.

[Prince Charming]

Does anyone else notice how the thread title isn't remotely related to the discussion topic anymore?
sooo!


It's quality discussion.


@ Mitch, You seriously know a scary amount of theory.

[Shred Danson]

Csus2 eh?

Don't get technical on me here! :p

Does anyone else notice how the thread title isn't remotely related to the discussion topic anymore?

It's been this way for SO long :lol:

[Prince Charming]

It's been this way for SO long :lol:
Yeah. it's fine this way as well.

It's a community for the Bodom fans of this forum.

Speaking of Bodom, I'm still waiting for the dvd. :thumb:

[Shadows]

Don't get technical on me here! :
It's just a C major chord with the second played in place of the root.

[Prince Charming]

It's just a C major chord with the second played in place of the root.
Don't be so simple!

[Shred Danson]

It's just a C major chord with the second played in place of the root.

This I know.

That is why they call it a sustained second chord :p