Avenged Sevenfold

[Itwasthatwas]

Laiho is like 28, Zacky and Synyster are like 21. They are different ages.

I can't be certain, but I thought Laiho was still about 25-26? Wasn't he only 19 on "Something Wild"?

And I thought Zacky and Synyster are a little bit older... around 23?

That would make them the same generation.

...And that still makes no difference. Laiho could have owned them back when he was younger and he can still own them now, and yet he's still not as good of a songwriter as Zacky and Synyster.

[AA-12]

I can't be certain, but I thought Laiho was still about 25-26? Wasn't he only 19 on "Something Wild"?

And I thought Zacky and Synyster are a little bit older... around 23?

That would make them the same generation.

...And that still makes no difference. Laiho could have owned them back when he was younger and he can still own them now, and yet he's still not as good of a songwriter as Zacky and Synyster.
Those are all opinions.

Anyway, cut it with the Laiho vs Gates vs Random Guitarist ****.

Which song do you think has the best lyrics on COE?

[Taste_My_Scythe]

I can't be certain, but I thought Laiho was still about 25-26? Wasn't he only 19 on "Something Wild"?

...And that still makes no difference. Laiho could have owned them back when he was younger and he can still own them now, and yet he's still not as good of a songwriter as Zacky and Synyster.

Yes, Laiho is 25. Also, I completely agree with what you are saying. Props, man. :thumb:

[AA-12]

Yes, Laiho is 25. Also, I completely agree with what you are saying. Props, man. :thumb:
Seriously, shut up with the Laiho vs A7X guitarists BS.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

Seriously, shut up with the Laiho vs A7X guitarists BS.

I was just expressing my opinion. Chill, dude.

[M3rL1N]

umm you kno the guy...idk his name... was the singer in waking the fallen and shadows was the screamer. but in unholy confessions the singer guy would scream some as well... so why didnt he just become their screamer? i love their new cd's instrumentals but i think it could be way better with a good screamer. maybe they could have got a new one?

[cbmartinez]

They only have one vocalist. Shadows did both the screams and the singing.

[Arucard]

Yah, Shadows is the only singer. Im not sure how they would have done Chapter Four live though.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, I was going to say he might have been thrown off by the dual singing/screaming vocal tracks on "Chapter 4."

[Arucard]

It quite obvious that its only one vocalist though, he has a distinct style, where some like Matt Heafy (Trivium) doesn't sound like his screams when he sings melodically atall.

[Itwasthatwas]

Live the other members step in to cover for all the overlapping vocal parts. When I saw them Synyster did a lot of backup and Zacky stepped up sometimes too. Shadows would do the screams and and one of them would do the singing, and naturally they did all the harmonies that way too.

[AA-12]

Chapter 4 live, they used to have Gates do some vocals.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Those are all opinions.

Anyway, cut it with the Laiho vs Gates vs Random Guitarist ****.

Which song do you think has the best lyrics on COE?


I think while the Wicked Ends lyrics arent all that original, they are pretty cool.

[Ballsack_AC/DC69]

Two questions, one what is M. Shadows first name, and two do they have a live DVD out.

[kirk_hammet_wannabe]

Seen A7X live twice now, absolutley rock live and yeah they all chip in, even 'The reverend' does a spot if singing...course there isnt much screaming going on now anways even when they do songs off WTF live he shouts rather than tries to scream and damage his voice again. I think that City of Evil is ****ing amazing in one sense...the music...and ****ing awful in another...the vocals, not because he doesnt scream that doesnt bother me, but his voice is absolutley awful! I still enjoy listening to songs like Strength of the World and Sidewinder though, the instruments are tight! WTF is one of my all time favourite albums though, i wish his voice was still like that :(

Ballsack, i believe that his first name is Matt, and no there is no live DVD out but the way theyre going there will be one out soon i reckon

[taztonik]

M. Shadows (Vocals): Matt Sanders
Synyster Gates (Lead guitar): Brian Haner Jr.
Reverand Tholomew Plague, The Rev (Drums): Jimmy Sullivan
Johnny Christ (Bass): Johnny Gera? or Johnny Seward? one of the two
Zacky Vengeance (Guitar): Zach Baker

[i am the robots]

Did not know that, thanks

[Huber]

There stage names are infinitely better.

[i am the robots]

Haha, I think it would be fine if they just used their real names, lol.

[taztonik]

Did not know that, thanks

no problem

[Moses]

/Bump

Wicked End is so epic, what with the orchestra and chior and all.

[vashts80]

I saw a video for one of the songs on City of Evil on Headbangers Ball, I can't even remember what it is now, (I think it might have been Burn It Down) but I liked it a lot better than anything on Waking the Fallen. Maybe I should listen to CoE.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
Yes, yes you should. You were probably turned off by the screaming and metalcore inlfuence on WTF yeah? COE is pretty much staight out metal with lots of different influences on it.Much more mature and all round better than any of their other work.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

COE is pretty much staight out metal with lots of different influences on it.Much more mature and all round better than any of their other work.

You think? I don't know, but I think that they are starting to go downhill. Sounding the Seventh Trumpet was awesome, Waking the Fallen was pretty good, and I don't really like anything I've heard off the new album. IMO.

[AA-12]

My views are the complete opposite, haha. I thought STST was pretty bad, WTF was amazing, and COE is by far their best work ever. Every song seems perfect. I guess i'm just a big fan of complex riffs and more talent.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

My views are the complete opposite, haha. I thought STST was pretty bad, WTF was amazing, and COE is by far their best work ever. Every song seems perfect. I guess i'm just a big fan of complex riffs and more talent.

Hm. Well, I have only heard a few songs. Maybe if I listen to the whole album; my friend owns it. But the songs I heard I couldn't even finish listening to...I didn't like it at all. Maybe I'm just used to WTF.

[taztonik]

Hm. Well, I have only heard a few songs. Maybe if I listen to the whole album; my friend owns it. But the songs I heard I couldn't even finish listening to...I didn't like it at all. Maybe I'm just used to WTF.

Yea, to be honest i hated the new album when it came out, but now I think its just as good as waking the fallen if not better. Just give it some time. Itll grow on you.

And TSASI your avatar is awesome. Psopus is amazing. The guitar player is rediculous.

[Arucard]

I haven't been in here for a while, but wtf was the deal with the Laiho vs Synsyter arguments? I think thats abit dumb, considering Laiho is a few years older than the a7x guitarists, and although he writes some very good riffs, he just uses them over, and over, and over again.

Im not a CoB h8r, i have all of the albums and EP's, i just find his playing = boring.

[AA-12]

I've never seen him use the same riff over in another song.

Anyway, has anyone found any good COE tabs?

[Moses]

I haven't been in here for a while, but wtf was the deal with the Laiho vs Synsyter arguments? I think thats abit dumb, considering Laiho is a few years older than the a7x guitarists, and although he writes some very good riffs, he just uses them over, and over, and over again.

Im not a CoB h8r, i have all of the albums and EP's, i just find his playing = boring.
On a A7X board some one asked Synyster what he thought of Alexi Laiho's guitar skills, and he replied "I smell fag breath".

[Shattered_Future]

I think both are pretty good...i don't understand why bands bash each other. Doesn't solve anything...its just plain stupid.

[taztonik]

I've never seen him use the same riff over in another song.

Anyway, has anyone found any good COE tabs?

Theres a good beast and the harlot and an excellent trashed and scattered.

And i just tabbed the spanish guitar solo at the end of sidewinder.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

On a A7X board some one asked Synyster what he thought of Alexi Laiho's guitar skills, and he replied "I smell fag breath".

:angry: I saw that too.

[AA-12]

Theres a good beast and the harlot and an excellent trashed and scattered.

And i just tabbed the spanish guitar solo at the end of sidewinder.
Think you could tab the Seize The Day solo? I'd be in debt forever to you.

[Moses]

And i just tabbed the spanish guitar solo at the end of sidewinder.
That outro is god.

[taztonik]

the one at like 2:50-3:30?

EDIT: I sure as hell can't tab the sweeping at the end

[taztonik]

That outro is god.

I know. Just go to mxtabs.net and check it out... then you can play it :D :lol:

[AA-12]

the one at like 2:50-3:30?

EDIT: I sure as hell can't tab the sweeping at the end
Yeah.

Don't worry about the sweeping part at the end, I just want the one from 2:50 - 3:30.

[taztonik]

Alright no problem. Ill tab it.

[AA-12]

Awesome, thanks man.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Why dont they have the board on the official site anymore? I tried to get onto it heaps of times before they updated the site and it was always down, now there isnt even one at all.

[AA-12]

They shut it down because 80% of the members were complete assholes.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

They shut it down because 80% of the members were complete assholes.

They were. I'm glad they shut it down. ****, I hate hardcore kids. :evil:

[AA-12]

They were. I'm glad they shut it down. ****, I hate hardcore kids. :evil:
It was probably the worst forum i've been to, heh.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

It was probably the worst forum i've been to, heh.

Same here. My friend was on there and asked me to join, and so I did, and I think I was on there a grand total of less than an hour. I hated it. But there you go. Sucky band, sucky board. :p

I'm just kidding guys....don't go bashing the Bodomfreak on the A7x thread for a joke... :D

[AA-12]

Hey, look at me. A7X and Bodom, my two favorite bands. It can happen, haha.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

Hey, look at me. A7X and Bodom, my two favorite bands. It can happen, haha.

Really now? That's interesting. My best friend wants to go to see A7x at Warped, but she wants to buy a Bodom shirt to wear there beforehand. :lol: We just want to get a reaction.

[Arucard]

You won't get one. Maybe if you wore a shirt that was even slightly shocking, like Argholesent or Dark Throne, you would.

[Taste_My_Scythe]

You won't get one. Maybe if you wore a shirt that was even slightly shocking, like Argholesent or Dark Throne, you would.

Yeah, thats pretty much what I figured, but I bet if she does happen to get a Bodom shirt beforehand, she will wear it to the show.
I mean, we used to absolutely love A7x, but after we checked out the board, and saw some interviews and saw their reaction to that question about Alexi's skills, our fangirlness kinda went downhill. The music is still pretty cool though. I watched an interview with the guys the other day, and they were just so....bleh. Just kinda lame, you know? They weren't the least bit interesting.

[taztonik]

I finally figured out seize the day today. i figured out most of it i just have to figure out the solo. it will be up later tonight.

[AA-12]

I finally figured out seize the day today. i figured out most of it i just have to figure out the solo. it will be up later tonight.
Awesome. I can't wait. :)

[Arucard]

I can't wait for that.

[taztonik]

Alright its officially submitted. Including the sweeping. WOOOHOOO. So vote for its approval.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^
Im going to have a look right now!

[006deluxe]

i saw earlier that someone gave out a7x's real names. so if you look real close in the liner notes at the credits and such you can see that syn's dad did the steel guitar and some of the acoustic soloing. he must have been the one that taught syn how rip through country solos like in pixel and nasal.

shredding runs in the family

[Fong249]

I scarcely consider A7X a hardcore movement anymore. That being said, they have progressed further into my favored bands. Songs such as Bat Country, Betrayed, Unholy Confessions will always remain favorites of mine. His new form of singing, while a little annoying at first, shows more of a "soaring eagle" Dragonforcey movement. Nothing wrong with that. Dragonforce is a respectable band, with some of hte most talented musicians ever. A7X is just like that. A7X is showing the new progression of metal bands, The songs are Modern, with immense talent radiating from the musicians involved. Furthermore, the progression of songs on City of Evil leave you with a feeling of completion after hearing the sweep picking and then in the very next song a flamenco-esque guitar line. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, It Dies Today, are the new face of metal, they will be the Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc of our Generation.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Wow!!!! I just listened to sidewinder for the first time. :eek: Jaw-dropping is the only word I can think of. A lot better than Trashed & Scattered, and I love Trashed & Scattered

[The pet beaver on bass]

Wow!!!! I just listened to sidewinder for the first time. :eek: Jaw-dropping is the only word I can think of. A lot better than Trashed & Scattered, and I love Trashed & Scattered

oh it is

a couple days before it came out, they put the album up on the site, and I didn't want to spoil it for whenever I bought it, but I just checked out sidewinder, that song (and a 10$ sale price) convinced me to buy it on june 7th when It came out. I since can't pick a favourite song. I keep saying sidewinder, but really whenever I hear bat country, or MIA they all get me going and then are stuck in my head for hours.

[cbmartinez]

Well, I finally got the new album. I don't like it very much but I'm not gonna' bitch and moan like I did earlier in the thread. It just seems that they use the same vocal melodies and most of the songs seem like Gates wrote a solo and the band built around 6 minutes of thoughtless riffing to go with it. I just think it's a weaker album than WTF. My favorite track is "Strength Of The World."

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^
I don't agree with your opinion, but thank you for giving reasons on why you dont' like the album. I am so sick to death of people ragging on this band without saying why they dont like them, except that they 'dress stupid and look gay'.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

^^^
I hate that. Especially that music really doesn't have much to with a bands image.

[hethamulburton]

I'd say I like it. I love the tone Gates has in solos. Even if I don't like the song, it's still worth fast forwarding to his solo.

[Moses]

They don't dress "gay" anymore really. For that one photo shoot it looks like they've embraced the rockstar/gangster/pimp look.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

But why should anyone really care how the band looks? It is after all, music isn't it? If you don't like the music, thats fair enough, but don't say you hate a band because you don't like their look.

[a7x123]

why does look matter, no-one bitches about greenday for wearing black and eyeshadow, that's just total b/s it shouldn't matter besides the way they dress looks good anyway Syn pulls of the derby hat, I don't see why it has to matter they're the best thing that has come out in a very long time.

[butch_man]

I only like one song from them. Unholy confessions. I don't like their other stuff.

[naboo]

I think City of Evil will be the Appetite For Destruction for the new age.

Well, I can hope at least.

[i am the robots]

If only people these days were more concerned with talents than they were with trends.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Has anyone noticed that in Strength Of The World, at about 5.25-5.33 it sounds very much like something Opeth would write?

[Tillius]

I Love Their New Album. They Are My Favorite Band....im Not Going To Say They Are The Best Because There Is No Way To Determine The Best Band.....just Opinions.

[taztonik]

I Love Their New Album. They Are My Favorite Band....im Not Going To Say They Are The Best Because There Is No Way To Determine The Best Band.....just Opinions.

Whoa, whats up with all the capitals?

And yes there album is great and i love it, its just:
1. His voice isnt as deep and resonant and perrrty.
2. I loved those descending riffs. One in Unholly Confessions, one in I Wont See You Tonight pt. 2, one in Radiant Eclipse i think? The ones that were like
D|---0-12-11-0-10-9-8-7-0-7-5-0-5-3--|
ya and like the little riff in Eternal Rest. I loved those. Not enough of the Chugga Chugga riffs if you know what I mean.
3. GOD ****IT CALM DOWN WITH THE HARMONIZED RIFFS. They were best in moderation.

But i believe all of there playing has definately matured and advanced. Including Matt Saunders (heh). And i respect his desicion to not scream to save his voice. Id much rather him stay and sing then them have someone else come in and scream. I dont mind the absence of the scream AT ALL.

P.S. Why did someone rate my tab so poorly? :confused: ... it seemed right to me.

[cbmartinez]

Wow, I've come full circle. I listened to this album last night at about 2 in the morning and just said, "Chris, stop expecting another STST, listen to it for what it is." And as I'm listening to the first five tracks, this feeling just overcomes me. Honestly, I just got enveloped by the CD, it was righteous. Just that feeling you get when you hear that intro riff in "The Beast In The Harlot," the one after the double bass comes in. And I was in love with the album. I love it, it's just so different from WTF that you can barely compare them. I think that "Seize The Day" and "Sidewinder" are really weak though, they seem to kill the awesome riffing style and though I can understand they wanted to throw in some slow stuff, it just doesn't work. Picks right back up with "The Wicked End" and "Strength Of The World" though. The symphony part in SOTW is so awesome.

[a7x123]

To taztonic and anyone else. If you didn't know there's three guitar parts in their songs, Zacky plays the rythm of course but SYN played two lead parts on the cd a higher version and lower version. Live, the bass just cranks up his distortion and Zacky plays the lower form of the harmonies and SYN plays the higher. It's pretty cool how they put it together but I bet it took awhile for them. Just lettin you know. Laterz

[Shadows Within]

Wow, I've come full circle. I listened to this album last night at about 2 in the morning and just said, "Chris, stop expecting another STST, listen to it for what it is." And as I'm listening to the first five tracks, this feeling just overcomes me. Honestly, I just got enveloped by the CD, it was righteous. Just that feeling you get when you hear that intro riff in "The Beast In The Harlot," the one after the double bass comes in. And I was in love with the album. I love it, it's just so different from WTF that you can barely compare them. I think that "Seize The Day" and "Sidewinder" are really weak though, they seem to kill the awesome riffing style and though I can understand they wanted to throw in some slow stuff, it just doesn't work. Picks right back up with "The Wicked End" and "Strength Of The World" though. The symphony part in SOTW is so awesome.STST that was one of there weakest IMO, but the Wicked End sounded very powermetalish iced earth when they did the eerie choir/orchestra thing it started freaking me out.

[Shadows Within]

why does look matter, no-one bitches about greenday for wearing black and eyeshadow, that's just total b/s it shouldn't matter besides the way they dress looks good anyway Syn pulls of the derby hat, I don't see why it has to matter they're the best thing that has come out in a very long time.
best power metal in a long time very impressed with this album especially the solo in burn it down very paul gilbertish

[cbmartinez]

STST that was one of there weakest IMO, but the Wicked End sounded very powermetalish iced earth when they did the eerie choir/orchestra thing it started freaking me out.

Yeah, it freaked me out when I was sleeping. STST will always be my favorite though.

[michaelangelo2]

I wasn't sure about this album when i first heard Beast and the Harlot on their site, I guess i was expecting something more like STST or WTf, but then I thought "If I never heard their other albums would I still like this?" and that kinda made it clear that this album is good.

[Follow The Reaper]

I think that if COE had the M. Shadows old voice I wouldn't like it that much. I liked WTF, but I think that his new pipes fitted COE better, but just my opinion.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I appreciate City of Evil as a great album, but proabably more so because I did not like Sounding the Seventh Trumpet at all and only a bit of Waking the Fallen. Essentially, Avenged Sevenfold have changed their style completely (which is not selling out contrary to many people's beliefs, I don't see massive riffs and power-metal esque accompliments and things like that in the mainstream) and some people will like their new incarnation and some won't.

[afzerogf]

I'd say I like it. I love the tone Gates has in solos. Even if I don't like the song, it's still worth fast forwarding to his solo. if you think the tones good on the cd you should hear it live, its much better

[cbmartinez]

Figured out "Blinded In Chains" today on bass, that ending is so sweet. :D

[taztonik]

Do any of you know who did the talking thing in betrayed? That guys voice is awesome. haha.

[SC423]

thats dimebag singing in a pantera song isnt it? cuz its a dimebag tribute i know that

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Is it. Where did you hear this? (Knew it was tribute to dimebag, but not other part)

[AA-12]

It's Shadows.

[Arucard]

I know the basic guitar of all the tracks on the album now, but the harmonised solo's are a beotch.

And yes, the bass at the end of 'Blinded In Chains' rules.

[PaUsE36]

When I heard Avenged Sevenfold a few years back, it sounded good. I dl'ed some of their stuff and bought the Sounding the Seventh Trumpet cd (yes I dl then buy if I like what I hear), and it was decent. When I saw this commercial advertising the City of Evil Cd, the music ****ing sucked. The song being played seemed like a Guns and Roses riff with the singer trying to be Scott Weilend. Just horrible.

[Follow The Reaper]

He isn't trying to be anyone, he burst blood vessels in his throat. Give him a break.

[Rockyrhoads13]

Yeah, i'd go with Laiho though, because he knows a ton about music theory.

I don't know if this has been said yet but Synyster Gates is a graduate of California’s Musicians Institute where he studied Jazz Guitar.

Now back to the topic I like both Laiho and Synyster but I think Synyster is a better guitarist.

[Moses]

, the music ****ing sucked.
You ****ing suck.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I'll second that.

[AA-12]

I don't know if this has been said yet but Synyster Gates is a graduate of California’s Musicians Institute where he studied Jazz Guitar.

Now back to the topic I like both Laiho and Synyster but I think Synyster is a better guitarist.
Laiho mastered playing the Violin, which is arguebly the hardest instrument to play. It's pretty much a fact that Laiho has more technical talent.

[taztonik]

It's Shadows.

Are you sure? I didnt think he could get that low

[AA-12]

Are you sure? I didnt think he could get that low
I'm positive.

[taztonik]

I'm positive.

Ahh, Riveting!

[taztonik]

I know the basic guitar of all the tracks on the album now, but the harmonised solo's are a beotch.

And yes, the bass at the end of 'Blinded In Chains' rules.

I REALLY want to know if your doing chapter four still for the cover comp. I really want to hear that.

[SC423]

just outta curiousity...can anyone play the intro solo to eternal rest or the ending solo to second heartbeat

[taztonik]

I can pretty much play Second Heartbeat perfectly. But I never tried figuring out Eternal Rest and theres no tab for it thats correct. So im STILL waiting for that one.

[wwcbass]

It's Shadows.
no, its phil anselmo. panteras singer.

[AA-12]

no, its phil anselmo. panteras singer.
Prove it, and then i'll believe you. Shadow's does the exact same thing live.

[taztonik]

Yea i just searched it on google. No Pantera lyrics popped up... just Avenged Sevenfold lyrics.

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

Avenged Sevenfold sucks, therefore this thread must be on the first page with all of the other horrible threads. :)

[AA-12]

:rolleyes:

They don't suck. You're going to be banned soon.

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

:rolleyes:

They don't suck. You're going to be banned soon.

I look forward to it, my other account is beckoning.

[AA-12]

I look forward to it, my other account is beckoning.
Why do you constantly whine and complain? It's much easier just to let people go with their own musical tastes. I like Avenged Sevenfold and probably some bands you like.

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

Why do you constantly whine and complain?

Because I don't like you, or your musical taste.

[AA-12]

Because I don't like you, or your musical taste.
I have an open ear to any kind of music, so you can't completely hate it.

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

Facinating. If you like any sort of good music, what the Hell would compel you to listen to crap like Avenged Faggotfold?

[AA-12]

Because I like their music? That's the only reason I would. It's enjoyable to listen to.

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

Because I like their music? That's the only reason I would. It's enjoyable to listen to.

It's also quite enjoyable to riddicule.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

For what reasons?

[Viktory Ov Impvrity]

For what reasons?
Because bands like this attract tons of FaNbOyZ.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Big deal? And anyways their new album is completley different to anything else they have done before, and is probably getting rid of alot of all their 'FaNbOyZ'.

[AA-12]

Yeah, it's nice that they are showing off a lot of more talent on this album.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

And song writing ability.

[Arucard]

And not being a Nazi.

Anyway, im seeing them September 17th. YES. Why is it that American metal bands love England so much?

[NewSyn]

What is your definition of a fanboy, a boy that's a fan of their music cause if so I guess I am.

[NewSyn]

I saw them on warped tour, it was awesome.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I would really like to see them live, doubt the will come to Australia though.

[NewSyn]

They're hitting europe in september.

[frmautumTOashes]

I know the vocals thing has been discussed a lot already, but does anyone else think that the singing is different on COE than the older stuff. His voice sounds more whiney, and at points it just sounds irritating, but before I liked his singing. When M. Shadows voice was damaged did that effect his singing too, or just his screaming.

[Huber]

I assume it did something to his singing, but it's still very similar to his old singing voice. I can barely hear a change. Though, I can tell sometimes it's changed a bit.

[ween2424]

I've just recently been getting into this band and now I'm addicted. "Bat Country" is my favorite song by them. I also like "The Beast and the Harlot". I don't remember the other songs names I heard, but I love their style. Are they touring the States soon?

[ween2424]

I know the vocals thing has been discussed a lot already, but does anyone else think that the singing is different on COE than the older stuff. His voice sounds more whiney, and at points it just sounds irritating, but before I liked his singing. When M. Shadows voice was damaged did that effect his singing too, or just his screaming.
What damaged his voice?

[Huber]

What damaged his voice?

A blood vessel in his throat burst.

[Black_Warlock]

Facinating. If you like any sort of good music, what the Hell would compel you to listen to crap like Avenged Faggotfold?
Hey I found somebody who thiks the same way I do :thumb: , I think this band are fa gs with instruments and give the word Metal A BAD name.

[insearchofsomething11]

Hey I found somebody who thiks the same way I do :thumb: , I think this band are fa gs with instruments and give the word Metal A BAD name.

i would completely agree with that if they were actually metal

[FU.CKY.OU]

There metalcore..but talented metalcore. Synester Gates(or however its spelled) can really shred, there drummers awesome, m shadows has some pretty good range to his voice, i like how he can sing in the high end without completely sounding emo.

Good good band, new album rocks, fav HEAVY song is probly trashed and scattered , i like seize the day alot too,you can really here their g n' r influence on it.

[Svpreme Sakrifice]

Hey I found somebody who thiks the same way I do :thumb: , I think this band are fa gs with instruments and give the word Metal A BAD name.

Yes, they are horrible. Utter ****.

What damaged his voice?

Male genitals got stuck in his throat.

[Pg.99]

No, he tried to actually sing.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Hey I found somebody who thiks the same way I do :thumb: , I think this band are fa gs with instruments and give the word Metal A BAD name.

Your the Fag on an internet chat site complaining about how bad they are, whilst they are out touring the world playing music the love. Im sure they give a f.uck about you and your opinions. :thumb:

[Arucard]

Hey I found somebody who thiks the same way I do :thumb: , I think this band are fa gs with instruments and give the word Metal A BAD name.

Its quite funny how you think that At The Gates are a tr00 band, yet Avenged Sevenfold aren't underground enough for you.

:rolleyes:

[Shadius]

I like them. Their albums are getting progressively better, IMO, their first isn't my cup of tea though.

[Black_Warlock]

Its quite funny how you think that At The Gates are a tr00 band, yet Avenged Sevenfold aren't underground enough for you.

:rolleyes:
At the Gates....? what the hell are you talking about? and PeEpHoLe_10 learn how to spell.

[insearchofsomething11]

I like them. Their albums are getting progressively better, IMO, their first isn't my cup of tea though.

i agree with you... they are getting better... although i think the first cd is awesome if a little bit unfocused

[Tillius]

What the hell is everybody's problem with Avenged Sevenfold? What....just because they are a different type of band? Do you fear different? huh.....huh?

[PeEpHoLe_10]

At the Gates....? what the hell are you talking about? and PeEpHoLe_10 learn how to spell.

Haha, geez you must tight on proper spelling. I think there was one word in there spelt incorrectly. My punctuation sucks though, but hey give me a break. :p

[EverytimeIBodom]

I know the vocals thing has been discussed a lot already, but does anyone else think that the singing is different on COE than the older stuff. His voice sounds more whiney, and at points it just sounds irritating, but before I liked his singing. When M. Shadows voice was damaged did that effect his singing too, or just his screaming.
The band decided they wanted his voice to be more whiney to a certain point. And he still screams the old songs live, he can scream fine, but he chooses not to.

[Moses]

I think his voice is less whiney...... more Hetfield like.

I always thought his scream was annoying.

[AA-12]

I think his voice is less whiney...... more Hetfield like.

I always thought his scream was annoying.
Yeah, his vocals now are MUCH less whiney.

[EverytimeIBodom]

Have u listened to the whole album? His singing was never as whiney on the previous albums

[AA-12]

The old stuff was way whinier.

[EverytimeIBodom]

Gimme a sec I'll find the interview

EDIT: **** i can't find it, but I know he said it.

[EverytimeIBodom]

Alrite I didn't find what I wanted to, but I did find out that M.Shadows likes CoB. In fact his top 6 albums are:
1) Guns n' Roses - Use Your Illusions part 1
2) Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle-Earth
3) Bad Religion - Receipy for Hate
4) Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys part 2
5) NOFX - The Decline
6) Children of Bodom - Hatebreeder
Some good power metal there

[lpnyc]

I just registered. Sorry to interrupt any ongoing discussion. Anybody out there willing to tab (drums) some of the new songs, like Beast and the Harlot or Burn it Down?

[Arucard]

The band decided they wanted his voice to be more whiney to a certain point. And he still screams the old songs live, he can scream fine, but he chooses not to.

That is total BS. You obviously haven't seen them live, how could you come out with such crap?

[Tillius]

I have seen them live since the new cd just recenlty, they played, unholy confessions, eternal rest, ch-4, beast and the harlot, and bat country, maybe another one but it was all just like the cd's screaming and everything. His voice sounding whiney, sometimes true but it still sounds good in my opinion, he can scream but he's not supposed to for another year and 1/2 so it'll be completely healed. If you'd read some of the reviews before bitching you might know a little something. 1- he wasn't going to scream on unholy confessions but couldn't make that big of a genre jump. 2-Didn't scream on this cd due to voice problems + wasn't going to anyways. 3- He trained his voice to be able to hit the high notes so there would be more fast paced songs, low singing sounds kinda weird. 4- M.Shadows b-day was on the first so happy be lated birthday.

[NewSyn]

the last reply by born into darkness was by me, forgot to log him out.

[NewSyn]

by the way I meant to put waking the fallen where unholy confessions is, wasn't going to scream on that cd.

[coldblooded]

Avenged Sevenfold Disscussion? What is there to discuss, THEY SUCK. AAAHHHHHH


That was coldblooded

[Moses]

Avenged Sevenfold Disscussion? What is there to discuss, THEY SUCK. AAAHHHHHH


That was coldblooded
You suck. That wasn't coldblooded it was just stupid.

[AA-12]

Avenged Sevenfold Disscussion? What is there to discuss, THEY SUCK. AAAHHHHHH


That was coldblooded
Shut up idiot.

[MegaMustaine]

IMO new album<Old Album

I don't really like them a whole lot, but I like the old album way more. IMO vocals are too melodic and high pitched, and I was dissapointed in the new album.

[Moses]

IMO new album<Old Album

I don't really like them a whole lot, but I like the old album way more. IMO vocals are too melodic and high pitched, and I was dissapointed in the new album.
No such thing.

[Shattered_Future]

I'd say the vocals are really what makes me hesitant to buy their new album...his vocals are extremely irritating on this album, from the songs I've heard. Shadows's voice is to nasaly for my taste...i liked his more Hetfield-ish voice.

[Huber]

No such thing.

werd

Shadows' voice did get worse, but it is still great.

[Badreligiondude]

I own Waking the Fallen, and I guess I pretty much like them. But I stopped liking them a little bit when Syn bashed Alexi Laiho on the A7x board. When someone asked him what he thought of Children of Bodom and Alexi's guitar skills, he replied with "I smell fag breath." That earned him a demerit in my book.

I don't really like anything off the new album. I'm sure I'll end up hearing more of it, but what I've heard so far isn't something I'd really listen to.


Dont take **** like that serious...... he was probably just kidding around or you misunderstood him.

[EverytimeIBodom]

I'd say the vocals are really what makes me hesitant to buy their new album...his vocals are extremely irritating on this album, from the songs I've heard. Shadows's voice is to nasaly for my taste...i liked his more Hetfield-ish voice.
I was a little hesitant at first, although I did get the new album the day it came out. :rolleyes: You've just gotta expect something new, and not think this is gonna be the same as the other albums, because it sure isn't.

[TTTSNB]

I don't like them at all, especially the "emotional breakdowns" they have, such horrible whiny singing, and the heavy parts aren't much better.

[MegaMustaine]

Dont take **** like that serious...... he was probably just kidding around or you misunderstood him.

Can someone link me to where he said that?

[Shadows Within]

i have to say even though they looks stupid there quite tallented even thogh im not sure why there with a ****ty tour like warped tour they should be on sounds of the undreground and stop dressing pop-punk.

[Shadows Within]

Can someone link me to where he said that?
yeah i was about to ask that.

[frmautumTOashes]

I'd say the vocals are really what makes me hesitant to buy their new album...his vocals are extremely irritating on this album, from the songs I've heard. Shadows's voice is to nasaly for my taste...i liked his more Hetfield-ish voice.

Exactly, his singing to me sounds different on City of Evil and I don't like it. His singing sounds like 80s hair metal. To be honest, I haven't bought the album and only have about 7 or 8 songs from it. Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough, but I just like WTF and STST a lot better.

Another thing I don't like about them is their style and how they're considered "fashioncore" although I can overlook it since they have talent.

[EverytimeIBodom]

Exactly, his singing to me sounds different on City of Evil and I don't like it. His singing sounds like 80s hair metal. To be honest, I haven't bought the album and only have about 7 or 8 songs from it. Maybe I just haven't listened to it enough, but I just like WTF and STST a lot better.

Another thing I don't like about them is their style and how they're considered "fashioncore" although I can overlook it since they have talent.
Well their main influences include Iron Maiden and GnR, not exactly hair metal, but still.

[punkxmetal05]

This band is awesome! I like the old stuff better.

[punkxmetal05]

His singing really does sound different on this new album.

[yummyramen]

Does anyone know where to get Unholy Confessions? I want to listen to it but dont feel like buying the album.

[EverytimeIBodom]

Download it? You seem like an idiot...

EDIT: That was kinda harsh wasn't it? I mean maybe he's just a n00b I'll upload the song for you if you still need it.

[Shadows Within]

Does anyone know where to get Unholy Confessions? I want to listen to it but dont feel like buying the album.
try the YSI upload thread

[PeEpHoLe_10]

i have to say even though they looks stupid there quite tallented even thogh im not sure why there with a ****ty tour like warped tour they should be on sounds of the undreground and stop dressing pop-punk.

Pfft, Sounds Of Underground has lots of ****house bands on the bill. And, why give a give **** what they look like?

[loathed]

geez man...when will people ever stop having at go at shadows' vocals? yes, he may not sound as good on COE than on WTF. but cmon, this guy ruptured a blood vessel in his throat and had an operation. tell me honestly now, how many of you would be able to scream after a throat operation for blood vessel rupture?

[Huber]

Dont take **** like that serious...... he was probably just kidding around or you misunderstood him.

This is true, they had an update on there site once that you should take everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

[loathed]

about synyster having a go at the guitarist thing...he once said in an interview ( cant remember where i read it from ) that he respected all musicians regardless of the music they play or if the music they made were of his taste.

that being said, i thought that flaming thing from synyster was probably meant to be a joke...so, dont take it too seriously.

[taztonik]

Oh daaaaaamnit. Avenged Sevenfold is going on tour with My Chemical Romance when they get back from Europe. WHY CANT THEY ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH GOOD BANDS! I expected better from them. Im SO embarrassed to love Avenged Sevenfold right now. I know its wrong to like a band less because of who they tour with and who they associate themself with. But Im sorry... i guess im an ***... but to me thats just embarrassing.

[Shattered_Future]

Oh daaaaaamnit. Avenged Sevenfold is going on tour with My Chemical Romance when they get back from Europe. WHY CANT THEY ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH GOOD BANDS! I expected better from them. Im SO embarrassed to love Avenged Sevenfold right now. I know its wrong to like a band less because of who they tour with and who they associate themself with. But Im sorry... i guess im an ***... but to me thats just embarrassing.

For some reason, I don't think the band can accept themselves for who they are...

That's why they dress the way they do, and tour the way they do. I mean, they're a freaking METAL band, and they're on the Warped Tour. You don't see that AT ALL.

[Tillius]

For some reason, I don't think the band can accept themselves for who they are...

That's why they dress the way they do, and tour the way they do. I mean, they're a freaking METAL band, and they're on the Warped Tour. You don't see that AT ALL.
Their not completely metal. Atreyu is more metal than they are and they are also at Warped Tour.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

For some reason, I don't think the band can accept themselves for who they are...

That's why they dress the way they do, and tour the way they do. I mean, they're a freaking METAL band, and they're on the Warped Tour. You don't see that AT ALL.

There are reasons why they decided to go on warped. Anyways, WHO GIVES A FLYING ****? They can do whatever the hell they want.

[Huber]

Their not completely metal. Atreyu is more metal than they are and they are also at Warped Tour.

You're kidding me right? A rate of metalness? Even if it did exist I would have to say A7X is way more metal than Atreyu. A City of Evil clearly put them on the Metal map and out of the Metalcore one.

[clairvoyant]

A City of Evil still is not exactly metal...


But still a sweet album!

[i am the robots]

City Of Evil is definately metal... it's like power metal thrash heavy metal hardcore etc. it's generally just metal with traces of hardcore.

[loathed]

City of evil is metal. surely. overall, id have to say a7x is metal. and so is atreyu. however, both have hardcore influences.

[Spiritofmosa]

the solo of seize the day gives me chills

[taztonik]

Atreyu has HIGH emo influences (in my opinion). His singing voice is quite whiney. And its an Emo-type whine. Shadows's singing is also whiney... but when you hear it you think more of a metalish-whine... If ya know what I mean. I dont care about how they dress even though i think it looks stupid. I mean, ill still always love the band. But its just that i see them on a MUCH higher level than My Chemical Romance. Why would they want to associate themselves with such poor bands. Now every emo-pop-punk kid in the world will say. "I love MCR, Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Avenged Sevenfold." Im sorry... i know i shouldnt care.... but that just pisses me off. Theyre so different and so much more talented then those bands. But whatever... Ill still buy their cd's.

EDIT: And is it just me... or has Warped Tour gone really far downhill?

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I asked this a while ago, but dont think i got answer...Does nayone know what the chances of Avenged Sevenfold touring Australia are?

[loathed]

Atreyu has HIGH emo influences (in my opinion). His singing voice is quite whiney. And its an Emo-type whine

how is alex's voice emo and whiny?? or did you mean brandons?

Does nayone know what the chances of Avenged Sevenfold touring Australia are?

not really sure bout that one...i'd love to see them come to singapore as well...that'd be kickass...

[NEVRMORE2]

i watched metal asylum (cooler video than headbangers) and in the beggining they where talking with a7x and i coulda sworn i heard shadowns say metal sucks and then i heard vengance say that metalcore is the new ska.......1 metal doesent suck (if i heard him right the a/c was on i coulda mis heard)
2. there not metalcore
3. what do the mean metalcore is the new ska anyway

[Shattered_Future]

It's the new thing that's in? :confused:

I dunno...

A7X is much more metal than Atreyu...Atreyu is metalcore, Avenged Sevenfold is metal, plain and simple.

[loathed]

A7X is much more metal than Atreyu...Atreyu is metalcore, Avenged Sevenfold is metal, plain and simple.

i agree with you that atreyu is metalcore. however, a7x is not just plain metal...they have elements of hardcore as well. especially on WTF. unless youre talking about COE only...

[tamango salad]

Their not completely metal. Atreyu is more metal than they are and they are also at Warped Tour.

A7x could be at least 5 times if not 10 times more metal than atreyu.

[tamango salad]

Avenged Sevenfold have basically been going downhill. Sounding The Seventh Trumpet was a hardhitting metalcore album that while it had it's cheese, was really a great, solid album. Waking The Fallen took a drastic step away from metal and is obviously a weaker album in my eyes. It's still repsectable but it didn't touch STST. The new stuff is really lame in my opinion, I see no progression from WTF. I'm not even going to look for elements of STST anymore cause I realize that they are not going to go back to being a metalcore band. But even with that said, the tracks from City Of Evil are lame and definitely weaker than WTF. I'll still buy the album but at this pace, A7X will never top STST or even at this point, WTF.
i know this is really old and **** but seriously, you sound like you don't know what you are talking about. just becuase there is screaming doesn't make something more "metal" or "heavier". same thing with the tuning they are in. oh and they use probably more double bass on city of evil than WTF and STST combined.

[Follow The Reaper]

i know this is really old and **** but seriously, you sound like you don't know what you are talking about.
Just like you!

just becuase there is screaming doesn't make something more "metal" or "heavier".
He never said that, and A7X did scream a lot on WTF, they did some singing, but they also did a whole lot of screaming.

same thing with the tuning they are in. oh and they use probably more double bass on city of evil than WTF and STST combined.
What does double bass or tunning have to do with how heavy a song or album is? There are tons of bands that don't have double bass that are really heavy, and tons of bands tune in standard tunning, and sound really heavy, just because they use those things doesn't mean they are super heavy.

[i am the robots]

I would like to add that harsh vocals DO in fact add to the heaviness of a song, and that for saying otherwise, Tamango Salad is officially retarded.

[Moses]

I'd say the biggest difference from this album than the others is it's more than one dimensional. There's alot more color to City of Evil than WTF and STST.

[i am the robots]

I disagree, City Of Evil is more focussed on Power Metal and Heavy Metal, whereas Waking The Fallen was more focused on Hardcore, Emo, Metalcore. and Death Metal, it's just different genre mixes.

[NEVRMORE2]

For some reason, I don't think the band can accept themselves for who they are...

That's why they dress the way they do, and tour the way they do. I mean, they're a freaking METAL band, and they're on the Warped Tour. You don't see that AT ALL.
thats EXACTY what i think

[born_into_darkness3]

Atreyu has HIGH emo influences (in my opinion). His singing voice is quite whiney. And its an Emo-type whine. Shadows's singing is also whiney... but when you hear it you think more of a metalish-whine... If ya know what I mean. I dont care about how they dress even though i think it looks stupid. I mean, ill still always love the band. But its just that i see them on a MUCH higher level than My Chemical Romance. Why would they want to associate themselves with such poor bands. Now every emo-pop-punk kid in the world will say. "I love MCR, Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Avenged Sevenfold." Im sorry... i know i shouldnt care.... but that just pisses me off. Theyre so different and so much more talented then those bands. But whatever... Ill still buy their cd's.

EDIT: And is it just me... or has Warped Tour gone really far downhill?
I'm none of those things that u listed.....emo, punk, pop....wutever. I just like A7X and MCR. I hate the other bands u mentioned.

[taztonik]

how is alex's voice emo and whiny?? or did you mean brandons?

Im not sure actually. I guess brandon? I havent listened to them much. Just the few songs ive heard theres one guy that sings in what seems to me as a whiney emo-ish way.

[frmautumTOashes]

Atreyu has HIGH emo influences (in my opinion). His singing voice is quite whiney. And its an Emo-type whine. Shadows's singing is also whiney... but when you hear it you think more of a metalish-whine... If ya know what I mean. I dont care about how they dress even though i think it looks stupid. I mean, ill still always love the band. But its just that i see them on a MUCH higher level than My Chemical Romance. Why would they want to associate themselves with such poor bands. Now every emo-pop-punk kid in the world will say. "I love MCR, Fall Out Boy, Simple Plan, and Avenged Sevenfold." Im sorry... i know i shouldnt care.... but that just pisses me off. Theyre so different and so much more talented then those bands. But whatever... Ill still buy their cd's.

EDIT: And is it just me... or has Warped Tour gone really far downhill?

The screaming and singing in Atreyu are done by different people, and the singing in Atreyu isn't whiney at all, that's really the only thing I like about the band. In A7X m. shadows voice is more high pitched than in their older stuff in my opinion, which is one reason I don't really like City of Evil. Musically it's pretty good, but the vocals are a downpoint. They still don't have pop-punk influences, it's definitely more poppy but they have power metal influences.

[Moses]

I hate when the band can't get the same person that screams to actually sing too. I mean if it sounds good fine but I have alot less respect for the person who does the growling if they don't play an instrument at the same time. I like Mushroomhead though.

[ekajsk8er]

has anyone else seen them live? when i saw them they were very very good. synyster, zacky and the rev were almost perfect and shadows vocals were a ton less whiny than they were on the album.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I disagree, City Of Evil is more focussed on Power Metal and Heavy Metal, whereas Waking The Fallen was more focused on Hardcore, Emo, Metalcore. and Death Metal, it's just different genre mixes.

Haha, Death Metal, your joking right? :lol:

[Moses]

I'd also like to add that City of Evil musically it is more colorfully diverse. I'd say Waking The Fallen was mostly metalcore. When you hear any of the songs form City of Evil they each have a certain vibe to them and the vibe is different through the whole album. For the other ones the whole album had a certain sound.

[tamango salad]

Just like you!


He never said that, and A7X did scream a lot on WTF, they did some singing, but they also did a whole lot of screaming.


What does double bass or tunning have to do with how heavy a song or album is? There are tons of bands that don't have double bass that are really heavy, and tons of bands tune in standard tunning, and sound really heavy, just because they use those things doesn't mean they are super heavy.
seeing as i was saying he didnt know what he was talking about because of the heaviness having to do with double bass and tuning, i dont know why dont you ask him becuase hes the one who said it

[Follow The Reaper]

how is alex's voice emo and whiny?? or did you mean brandons?

He proably meant Brandons, cause the only times that Alex does sing is in At Least I Know I'm A Sinner.

[NEVRMORE2]

He proably meant Brandons, cause the only times that Alex does sing is in At Least I Know I'm A Sinner.
the crimson.....are we talking about the drummer?

[Follow The Reaper]

the crimson.....are we talking about the drummer?Brandon Saller is the drummer, he does most of the singing, and Alex Varkatzas is the yeller.

[NEVRMORE2]

Brandon Saller is the drummer, he does most of the singing, and Alex Varkatzas is the yeller.
yeah i like brandon on the song "The Crimson"

[Follow The Reaper]

Me too.

/Wow, we really got off topic fast.

[loathed]

IMO, brandon does a good job singing AND playing the drums at the same time. and tell me, how many of you can...well scream like alex? :naughty:

ohh...yes, has anyone of you been to a7x's gig recently? what were the songs they played? any from WTF or even STST, where the songs required screaming...seeing that M shadows doesnt do it anymore?

[Moses]

I think he sucks at screaming and the other guy sucks at singing. I wish they could be a little more formally trained and it would probably sound less annoying. I can scream and sing better than either of them. It's such a turn off when I hear those kinds of voices.

[Follow The Reaper]

I think he sucks at screaming and the other guy sucks at singing. I wish they could be a little more formally trained and it would probably sound less annoying. I can scream and sing better than either of them. It's such a turn off when I hear those kinds of voices.
Lets hear it then.

[Moses]

Well you can hear some singing that needs to be touched up in the Tool thread covers (keep in mind that those guys have a studio and I have a crappy computer mic). The screaming I can sample later if I remember. Just bug me about it enough.

[Follow The Reaper]

Well you can hear some singing that needs to be touched up in the Tool thread covers (keep in mind that those guys have a studio and I have a crappy computer mic). The screaming I can sample later if I remember. Just bug me about it enough.
Ok.

[Moses]

They were also in one take and need to be redone because we just needed somthing finished at the time. I'll redo them and then you can be as harsh as you want.

[CommieCanada]

i dont post in R&M much but i have to say i love Avenged Sevenfold.

Waking the Fallen is one of the best albums i own and it has everything in it. it is almost a perfect record.

I have only heard the single off of City of Evil and i liked it. Is the album worth buying, and does Shadow's inability to scream detract from the record too much?

[Huber]

Nope, the clean vocals are just fine. Gun it.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Buy City Of Evil, its a very very good album.

[loathed]

although the vocals on COE are a wee bit worse, the muscial aspect makes up for it. get it...now

[loathed]

ohh...yes, has anyone of you been to a7x's gig recently? what were the songs they played? any from WTF or even STST, where the songs required screaming...seeing that M shadows doesnt do it anymore?

anyone care to answer that?? thanks alott :cool:

[Special Brew]

anyone care to answer that?? thanks alott :cool:
They play the popular singles from Waking The Fallen but instead of screaming, Mudrock sings it with a rasp to his voice. It sounds like it would suck, but it is just as good as it was originally.

Why does Mudrocks singing voice sound so strange on the record, but live he sounds perfect? Many people find his singing annoying, which puts them off the band, but he sounds much clearer when they perform.

[krazy_guitarist_3]

Avenged Sevenfold is one of the best metalcore bands out there now. Having just seen them at Warped Tour, their songs live sound a lot better because he does not scream anymore. "Unholy Confessions" at that show was 10 X better than the recorded cd because he sang it with his rough voice and did not scream. Awesome band, I'm looking forward to much more stuff from them.

[loathed]

oh okayy cool...good to hear that...

[Ner]

avenged sevenfold sucks the ****

[tamango salad]

They play the popular singles from Waking The Fallen but instead of screaming, Mudrock sings it with a rasp to his voice. It sounds like it would suck, but it is just as good as it was originally.

Why does Mudrocks singing voice sound so strange on the record, but live he sounds perfect? Many people find his singing annoying, which puts them off the band, but he sounds much clearer when they perform.
mudrock is the producer, m shadows is the singer

[Moses]

avenged sevenfold sucks the ****
Well they're straight so don't get your hopes up.

[Special Brew]

mudrock is the producer, m shadows is the singer
M. Shadows is Mudrock.

[tamango salad]

M. Shadows is Mudrock.

No, he's not.
And don't say he is because he's not.

[AA-12]

I think he sucks at screaming and the other guy sucks at singing. I wish they could be a little more formally trained and it would probably sound less annoying. I can scream and sing better than either of them. It's such a turn off when I hear those kinds of voices.
Yeah. The screaming is horrible and pathetic. He can't even do it probably. Also, I too can scream much better.

[Follow The Reaper]

Well you can hear some singing that needs to be touched up in the Tool thread covers (keep in mind that those guys have a studio and I have a crappy computer mic). The screaming I can sample later if I remember. Just bug me about it enough.
It's later.

[loathed]

why is m shadows aka mudrocks?! :confused:

[-:Vincent:-]

I would have to agree with most people that their new album sounds.....different (in a bad way). But The Reverend stil has awesome drums, and great guitar also. Waking the Fallen is definently their best album. I just read something interesting though, it says they got their name from the bible. It says (genesis chapter four) that if anyone should harm cain then he will have "vengenance sevenfold". Then I realized that there song 'chapter four' is talking about this. I know their (definently) not a christian band, but it seemed odd that they would get their name from the bible. Anyway, i'm just dissapointed that more of their drums havn't been tabbed...

[loathed]

I would have to agree with most people that their new album sounds.....different (in a bad way). But The Reverend stil has awesome drums, and great guitar also. Waking the Fallen is definently their best album. I just read something interesting though, it says they got their name from the bible. It says (genesis chapter four) that if anyone should harm cain then he will have "vengenance sevenfold". Then I realized that there song 'chapter four' is talking about this. I know their (definently) not a christian band, but it seemed odd that they would get their name from the bible. Anyway, i'm just dissapointed that more of their drums havn't been tabbed...

whys their new album bad? they just made it sound different to WTF. the new album is still really good. and yes, they got their name from the bible. i read somewhere that shadows said that he found the name interesting...

[deathscreamingsheep]

A large amount of their stuff is loosely based on biblical ideas. M Shadows says that he thinks the Bible is interesting (especially the Old Testement and the Book of Revelations apparently) and takes a lot of influence for lyrics from it, however, they are not Chiristian (isn't Beast and the Harlot about the fall of Babylon or is it a metaphor for something?)

On the album front, I think City of Evil is their best album. It would be better if he used his grittier live singing voice on the album though.

[metallica fan]

i thought he damaged his voice

[-:Vincent:-]

i thought he damaged his voice
It wouldn't surprise me if he did...does anyone know what screamers use before they do a concert??

[-:Vincent:-]

A large amount of their stuff is loosely based on biblical ideas. M Shadows says that he thinks the Bible is interesting (especially the Old Testement and the Book of Revelations apparently) and takes a lot of influence for lyrics from it, however, they are not Chiristian (isn't Beast and the Harlot about the fall of Babylon or is it a metaphor for something?)

On the album front, I think City of Evil is their best album. It would be better if he used his grittier live singing voice on the album though.

yeah, it was mostly his voice that turned me off their new album. But as long as The Revrend doesn't go downhill with his drums, they'll always be a great band.

[Shadius]

It makes me laugh how all the hardcore/metalcore kids don't like the fact there's no screaming.

A7X are getting better with each release, though there's not much in it between Waking the Fallen and City of Evil, plus points for trying something new though. Can't wait for the NEXT album. Waking the Fallen style clean vocals plus City of Evil or better instrumentation would be mind blowing.

[Follow The Reaper]

It makes me laugh how all the hardcore/metalcore kids don't like the fact there's no screaming.
What, they aren't allowed to have their own opinion, just because you prefer the singing doesn't mean they do.

A7X are getting better with each release, though there's not much in it between Waking the Fallen and City of Evil, plus points for trying something new though. Can't wait for the NEXT album. Waking the Fallen style clean vocals plus City of Evil or better instrumentation would be mind blowing.
Well they can't do WTF style vocals, pretty much the only vocals they can do are the ones on COE.

i thought he damaged his voice
He did, a blood vessel burst in his throat.

It wouldn't surprise me if he did...does anyone know what screamers use before they do a concert??
It doesn't matter what they use for A7X (read above).

[Shadius]

What, they aren't allowed to have their own opinion, just because you prefer the singing doesn't mean they do.


Well they can't do WTF style vocals, pretty much the only vocals they can do are the ones on COE.

It makes me laugh because i've read so many websites with people saying that, the majority of these people seem to only listen to that kind of music, they're not open minded. They're allowed their opinion, don't be rediculous, I just think its funny how people can get too involved in a scene. And in FACT. I DON'T prefer the singing on COE, I prefer the singing on WTF, but the growling on WTF gets tiresome on a few of the songs, while on others I find it enhances them.

And furthermore, Shadows could learn to sing a different way. Give it a couple of years and his voice will be in different shape than it was in the recording of COE. I think he'll sound stronger on the next album, especially considering he just started to get voice training for that album.

I've read that Shadows chose not to scream anymore, and the whole band agreed. I'm sure the operation had an effect on his voice, but he was happy chosing not to scream anymore, and they were planning to do it anyway.

Sucks though, about not playing their old material to the fullest.

[Follow The Reaper]

It makes me laugh because i've read so many websites with people saying that, the majority of these people seem to only listen to that kind of music, they're not open minded.
That doesn't mean they aren't open minded, that means they don't like A7X's new style, that's not wrong or funny, but A7X really changed from WTF to COE, instrument style, and vocals, so they may like WTF but HATE COE.

They're allowed their opinion, don't be rediculous, I just think its funny how people can get too involved in a scene.
Not the reason they don't like it.

And furthermore, Shadows could learn to sing a different way. Give it a couple of years and his voice will be in different shape than it was in the recording of COE. I think he'll sound stronger on the next album, especially considering he just started to get voice training for that album.
He wouldn't risk injuring himself again.

I've read that Shadows chose not to scream anymore, and the whole band agreed. I'm sure the operation had an effect on his voice, but he was happy chosing not to scream anymore, and they were planning to do it anyway.
He can't yell, a blood vessel burst in his throat, and I've read something similar to that.

Sucks though, about not playing their old material to the fullest.
I saw them on warped tour, and I liked his stlye of doing the old songs as well as what he did on the record.

[-:Vincent:-]

It makes me laugh because i've read so many websites with people saying that, the majority of these people seem to only listen to that kind of music, they're not open minded. They're allowed their opinion, don't be rediculous, I just think its funny how people can get too involved in a scene. And in FACT. I DON'T prefer the singing on COE, I prefer the singing on WTF, but the growling on WTF gets tiresome on a few of the songs, while on others I find it enhances them.

And furthermore, Shadows could learn to sing a different way. Give it a couple of years and his voice will be in different shape than it was in the recording of COE. I think he'll sound stronger on the next album, especially considering he just started to get voice training for that album.

I've read that Shadows chose not to scream anymore, and the whole band agreed. I'm sure the operation had an effect on his voice, but he was happy chosing not to scream anymore, and they were planning to do it anyway.

Sucks though, about not playing their old material to the fullest.

It is true that the metal fans usually are very narrow minded. I started out liking punk, but then everything became to poppy and...shallow. It was the same stuff over and over, and then i realized that metal involved alot more talent (music wise) and was more than just screaming. Avenged Sevenfold is the ideal band for me because they mix a little bit of both genres in their music.

I don't know why you said M. Shadows "could learn to sing a different way". I think he does a wonderful job, and has several different voices. It's a pity that he can't scream (or won't) anymore though...

[-:Vincent:-]

I think he sucks at screaming and the other guy sucks at singing. I wish they could be a little more formally trained and it would probably sound less annoying. I can scream and sing better than either of them. It's such a turn off when I hear those kinds of voices.

He sucks at screaming?? I havn't heard that to often, i thought he did a pretty good job.

[Follow The Reaper]

He sucks at screaming?? I havn't heard that to often, i thought he did a pretty good job.
Really, almost everyone on this board hates it, but I happen to like it, and Atreyu.

[-:Vincent:-]

I was just wondering...I'm currently traying to tab 'Desecrate Through Reverance' and i'm stuck on the drum roll part. It starts around 1:23 and lasts four measures. The last measure is way to fast for me to tell what he's doing...if anyone knows how to tab that part (even part of it...) then please tell me. I'll give you credit in the tab also.

[Follow The Reaper]

I was just wondering...I'm currently traying to tab 'Desecrate Through Reverance' and i'm stuck on the drum roll part. It starts around 1:23 and lasts four measures. The last measure is way to fast for me to tell what he's doing...if anyone knows how to tab that part (even part of it...) then please tell me. I'll give you credit in the tab also.
Ask the Drum Forum.

[-:Vincent:-]

This is what I have so far for the drum roll:

-Drum Roll- (1:23):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
C1|x---------------|x---------------|----------------|
T |----------------|-----oooo-------|----oo-oo-------|
S |-ooooooooooooooo|-oooo----oooo---|oooo--o--d------|
F |----------------|-------------ooo|----------------|
B |o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|
|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |

that last measure is really screwed up...so just ignore it completley

[-:Vincent:-]

Ask the Drum Forum.

I already have....so i'm posting it anywhere poeple may be able to help.

[Follow The Reaper]

This is what I have so far for the drum roll:

-Drum Roll- (1:23):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
C1|x---------------|x---------------|----------------|
T |----------------|-----oooo-------|----oo-oo-------|
S |-ooooooooooooooo|-oooo----oooo---|oooo--o--d------|
F |----------------|-------------ooo|----------------|
B |o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|
|1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + |
I type again, take this to the drum forums.

[Shadius]

That doesn't mean they aren't open minded, that means they don't like A7X's new style, that's not wrong or funny, but A7X really changed from WTF to COE, instrument style, and vocals, so they may like WTF but HATE COE.


Not the reason they don't like it.


He wouldn't risk injuring himself again.


He can't yell, a blood vessel burst in his throat, and I've read something similar to that.


I saw them on warped tour, and I liked his stlye of doing the old songs as well as what he did on the record.

A lot of people who who don't like the new style don't like it because all they listen to is hardcore/metalcore. Go look on a ton of forums reviewing their new CD and you'll see what i'm talking about. I'm sure many people are open minded and don't like his singing style on COE, thats not what i'm saying. But those kids make me laugh, they ARE funny, either that, or extremely irritating. Honestly, go look, if you don't see the close mindedness and same old rantings of "OMG NO SCREAMING SUX THEY SOLD OUT MAN"... Well, you'll see it. I think it's funny, i'm allowed to. So shush.

Also, I heard some people thought the new style of doing the old songs was a bit lacking? Like he held out notes for longer to make up for missing parts? I'm interested personally. Just a shame if he can't sing clean like on WTF. Having said that, his new style isn't bad, just a little nasal in places.

Oh, and to Follow the Reaper. He more than likely will sing differently on the next album. Look at all of their releases, each one is quite different. His voice is always evolving, or devolving and changing. His voice will, in my opinion be slightly less husky next time around, and I hope a little less nasal, but we'll see. It's not the strong clean singing that did his voice in, so he can always go back to that more. The reason he went nasal a lot was to hit the higher notes because the new songs required it, or so I read in an interview with him.

A lot can change in two years or so.

[Jawaharal]

A7X have never been good in my eye