Avenged Sevenfold

[SimonCore]

I don't think they're are reaslly any similarities between sevenfold and InFlames.

[nowitzki]

Atreyu's Right Side of the Bed blatantly rips off The Hive.

[I'm Charming]

Atreyu's Right Side of the Bed blatantly rips off The Hive.


^^^. Ding Ding Ding. I 123.

It's a miracle they havn't been sued yet.

(That was my dads first question when I played him both and asked his opinion....((he works with lawyers too haha)) )

I hate Atreyu for more than that though.

The singer sounds like he's throwing up. They are sloppy on studio albums. (Bleeding Mascera and a couple others)

[Crysiss]

I thought this was an Atreyu thread for an instant:lol:

I dislike the vocals as well for the same reason. The screaming is ****. But they're catchy, Which contributes a little to what I listen to. Mainly, The technicality of the music catches my ears the most or the atmosphere.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Mantronic, I can almost guarantee you won't like STST. It's a great album though. If you want my full opinion on it, check out my review of it on Sputnik.

[Britton]

^^^. Ding Ding Ding. I 123.

It's a miracle they havn't been sued yet.

(That was my dads first question when I played him both and asked his opinion....((he works with lawyers too haha)) )

I hate Atreyu for more than that though.

The singer sounds like he's throwing up. They are sloppy on studio albums. (Bleeding Mascera and a couple others)



They are pretty sloppy...but they are fun to listen to.


Most A7X fans today wouldn't like STST, heck I know one guy who didn't even know they had two other albums

[Shady Ultima]

Ya, A7X were almost unheard of when I got WTF, and most people had never heard it, and the people i played didn't like it

[SimonCore]

I still think there are more Avenged Sevenfold fans who knew songs such as 'Unholly confessions' before COE era. They're the only band who have like 80-90% of their set list off one album.

[MRDuCran]

I don't really like StST, but track 7 (forgot the name) is really cool, I've been singing it everyday for a few days.

[Mr_Bounce]

SimonCore, Shadows' voice got damaged, so wouldn't it be fair to say he would want to sing songs with (MUCH) less screaming?

[deathscreamingsheep]

Nah they do old songs entirely without screaming. He's rewritten the vocal lines to use harsher singing.

[SimonCore]

I don't mind whether he sings (the older songs) or not; i'm not that bothered when it's live. But they could still play more older stuff.

[Tillius]

The version of Unholy Confessions that they sing live(the one without screaming) was the original version of the song, anyway.

[MRDuCran]

I got told that if I listened to Second Heartbeat, I would love it because it's their best, but I wasn't that satisfied that first time tbh, but now it's growing on me. I loved the part at 2:10 straight away though.

[SimonCore]

The version of Unholy Confessions that they sing live(the one without screaming) was the original version of the song, anyway.

How do you know that?

I got told that if I listened to Second Heartbeat, I would love it because it's their best, but I wasn't that satisfied that first time tbh, but now it's growing on me. I loved the part at 2:10 straight away though.

I'd imagine that's the "Two in my heart, have left me a while, I stand alone...when they get back it won't be the same!!":cool:

[Angry Balled Fists!]

STST is my favourite :-/

[Mr_Bounce]

Well in that case, if someone didn't like screaming they could get live copies of their old songs :D

[MRDuCran]

I'd imagine that's the "Two in my heart, have left me a while, I stand alone...when they get back it won't be the same!!":cool:

Nope. It's the "As time passes by, regrets for the rest of my life,
The ones who I confide were gone in the black of the night".

...bit.

[SimonCore]

^The chorus. Hmm i thought that would be later than 2:10.

[Drunken Viking]

It's the first, it has like 4 or 5.

[rockgod90]

Hey does anyone know where I can get the whole video of A7X live that was on MTV and FUSE? cityofevil.net doesn't have all of it.

[SimonCore]

Hey does anyone know where I can get the whole video of A7X live that was on MTV and FUSE? cityofevil.net doesn't have all of it.

Youtube probably contains every song they played.

[DKMode]

when did they play on MTV?

[Drunken Viking]

About a month or so ago, when the Beast and The Harlot vid came out.

[MRDuCran]

I saw something on youtube about an MTV performance, it's probably that.

[Happy]

I'm guessing they played on TRL?

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah, they played To End Rapture and Bat Country.

[MRDuCran]

I'm downloading a few live videos by them, just so I can get an idea of what to expect at Download. Bat Country live in Tilburg 05 is currently on 28%.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

I think it's finally working! City of Evil has finally partially grown on me! I still cringe at parts when Shadows strains to try to sing far out of his range, but when he stays where his voice should be, it's actually enjoyable to me. And I love the end of Sidewinder. However, it's still my least favorite A7X album by far.

[Crysiss]

The last part of Sidewinder is my favorite part of the album:)

[Drunken Viking]

I'm downloading a few live videos by them, just so I can get an idea of what to expect at Download. Bat Country live in Tilburg 05 is currently on 28%.
This may be to late but don't get that version, the sound quality sucks, the bass drums drown everything out.

[MRDuCran]

lol yep, too late. It was horrible! Couldn't hear any thing because of that. THe only part you could hear anything clearly was during that quick lick SG plays while everyone else stops. I wana see Chapter Four next.

[Battle Against Time]

Hey Viking? Weren't you going to upload some a7x vids for the dailyupload?

[Drunken Viking]

I uploaded Second Heartbeat, but he hasn't put it in yet. I'll just put all the links into this thread, so check back.

Second Heartbeat - Live at KROQ's 2006 Almost Acoustic Christmas (First minutte cut out)
http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F4EFC29F0990A4B6

[SimonCore]

Ooo that 'knew' second heartbeat wasn't too good without screaming, the singing doesn't fit in at all. But still, they have to play that live when i next see them.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Their new second heartbeat when I saw them live in London was very very good.

[SimonCore]

Their new second heartbeat when I saw them live in London was very very good.

I can imagine, that's why i hope they do it at Donnington, but it's not as good as the older version.

[DKMode]

i really like their older songs with his new voice. i almost think they should re-record their other albums with new vocals. the music wouldnt be as technical or melodic, but it would sound way better.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

i really like their older songs with his new voice. i almost think they should re-record their other albums with new vocals. the music wouldnt be as technical or melodic, but it would sound way better.

Oh please God, no.

[Tillius]

Hell no.

[Drunken Viking]

i really like their older songs with his new voice. i almost think they should re-record their other albums with new vocals. the music wouldnt be as technical or melodic, but it would sound way better.
I like how him having a new voice changes the technical ability of the band. :lol:

[SimonCore]

i really like their older songs with his new voice. i almost think they should re-record their other albums with new vocals. the music wouldnt be as technical or melodic, but it would sound way better.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO!! NO!!!!!!!

[Mr_Bounce]

Some people sure are fans :P

[DKMode]

I like how him having a new voice changes the technical ability of the band. :lol:
i know i typed it, but i really didnt mean to mention technicality. i really only should have said melodies because their newer stuff is far more melodic than their previous efforts. this is only my opinion as i am not a fan of screaming and after hearing their old songs live with all clean vocals i was actually kinda turned on to their older stuff. im not trying to start a fight about this, its just my opinion.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

It pains me to hear the parts of the old songs live now. Especially when Shadows throws in a long, drawn-out yeah instead of a lyricless scream (like in Eternal Rest). I understand he doesn't want to risk screaming, but damn, it just feels wrong.

[i am the robots]

I agree man.

[Tillius]

Yeah, that is gay.

He does that on Beast and the Harlot live, too.

Instead of the Rev. just giving him a nice scream for the intro, he just does an overly long yeeeeeaaaaaaah!
Real annoying.

[AA-12]

i really like their older songs with his new voice. i almost think they should re-record their other albums with new vocals. the music wouldnt be as technical or melodic, but it would sound way better.
Oh man, WTF would be the best album ever if that happened. I'd love it.

[Arucard]

WTF would blow goats without his screams. Seriously. What about the neck breaking scream in the intro of Reminisions? Would you prefer him to say 'Yehhh' instead?

[deathscreamingsheep]

I'm not sure WTF would really work without the screams. More importantly, I like WTF how it is and I'd rather they spend their time making a completely new and improved follow-up to City of Evil.

[Shadius]

They should, however, release a live album in a year or two when they have their new style fully panned out. Then play a few WTF songs in their new style, maybe even the odd one from STST too.

[i am the robots]

WTF would blow goats without his screams. Seriously. What about the neck breaking scream in the intro of Reminisions? Would you prefer him to say 'Yehhh' instead?

Imagine Radiant Eclipse or I Won't See You Tonight, Pt. II without screaming :lol:.

Even worse.... The Art Of Subconcious Illusion without the ridiculously awesome/high parts.

STST without screaming would be even more of a bastardization imo.

[SimonCore]

God WTF with no screaming... 95% of it would be ruined. Don't get me wrong most of shadow's new vocals are generally strong (minus the whining), but like Arucard said, the begginig of Remenissions needs that metal growl at the beggining, if he did his Axl "YEeeeEEAAAHHhhhHHH" it would be ruined. And the other songs wouldn't fit in aswell with clean vocals. However, I think that the verse of 'Chapter Four' might be better with the new vocals.

[AA-12]

To each their own I guess. I just love the new ones way more.

[i am the robots]

that's an abomination :angry:

[deathscreamingsheep]

I prefer his new vocals more as well.

But I don't think they'd really do well recording the WTF album with new vocals.

[Shadius]

Like I say, a live album would be very cool with some old songs on it, and it's even actually possible, unlike rerecording WTF or STST.

[MRDuCran]

I also think WtF wouldn't be the same without the screams. It was those in Chapter Four and I Won't See You Tonight pt.2 that got me into them.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

STST without screaming would be even more of a bastardization imo.
*thinks about Breakng Their Hold with Shadows' new, clean vocals*

Ugh...

While we're on the topic of raping songs, try to imagine vocally-clean A7X songs with screaming. Old and new.

I think it would add an "extra touch" to Warmness on the Soul. :thumb:

[i am the robots]

I think screaming could work in I Won't See You Tonight, pt. I, but only as like an effect.... City Of Evil with screaming would be amazing.

[AA-12]

More like terrible :p

[Tillius]

I dunno. There's some songs I could picture being pretty good with screaming on CoE.

[Battle Against Time]

More like terrible :p



Indeed. Why do you always have to be right?

[AA-12]

For I am God.

[Bat_Country]

I think the music and vocals fit together perfectly on WTF and COE
Imo neither would sound right nay different

[Mr_Bounce]

About the Remenissions scream... IMO Bat Country's opening scream rapes it... or is that not even Shadows?

[guitarizzle]

I prefer the scream from "Blinded in Chains".

I think the remake of Waking the Fallen would be good if Shads does his vocals in the same style as he did "Walk".

[SimonCore]

About the Remenissions scream... IMO Bat Country's opening scream rapes it... or is that not even Shadows?

Imagine the BC scream for reminissions!? No way, that scream on remenissions is a full on growl and fits perfectly, no other scream would fit in.

[Mr_Bounce]

I didn't say it'd fit, just said I liked it better. Hehe.

[Drunken Viking]

You can just tell it kills him to do that scream, it must.

[SimonCore]

You can just tell it kills him to do that scream, it must.

Yeah even before he blew his voice. To clear up, did he actualy scream properly, or did he do it without a technique or anything.

[Drone]

He wasn't doing it with any technique and that is why he blew his voice.

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah even before he blew his voice. To clear up, did he actualy scream properly, or did he do it without a technique or anything.
I was talking about the Bat Country opening scream, that sounds like it must kill him to do.

[ToWhatEnd]

Yeah sounds like it but does add something cool to the song. Burn it Down could possibly have screams in it.

[Mr_Bounce]

Yes Drunken Viking. I wonder how many attempts it took to come into the studio and do it so well considering he won't scream anymore :P

[deathscreamingsheep]

So guys.... Sevenfold.

[MRDuCran]

Anyone met any of them?

[Tillius]

I've met all of them. :cool:

[MRDuCran]

Nice one. How are they?

[guitarizzle]

Anyone met any of them?

I've met all of 'em three times. They're actually very cool to talk too. Too bad I didn't have a camera.

:upset:

[MRDuCran]

3 times wow, did they remember you at all?

[Tillius]

They're awesome to talk to, especially Syn.

I have a picture of me and Shadows.
I'll give it to my g-ma and see if she can scan it onto her comp. and send it to me.(I don't have a printer/scanner)

[MRDuCran]

Yeah that'd be cool.

SG looks kinda cool and laid back. Shadows looks like the loud mouth of the group, but then again, most vocalists of bands will be.

[Drunken Viking]

Shadows seems really down to earth.

[Tillius]

Shadows is pretty cool. It's him that I have the picture with, when we were getting autographs.

We talked to them without everybody else around for probably all of 2 minutes, but it was still cool.

[i am the robots]

Yeah that'd be cool.

SG looks kinda cool and laid back. Shadows looks like the loud mouth of the group, but then again, most vocalists of bands will be.

Seriously? He always looks like a calm layed back guy when he isn't singing.

Just the way he spoke before he wrecked his voice was like a glimpse into his personality - it's like that with nearly everybody too, Matt Heafy from Trivium for example always feels the need to exaggerate how metal they are and shout the names and be like THIS IS REAL THRASH METAL!!1

[Tillius]

I personally think Shadows is awesome.

The lead singer of Stutterfly my favorite to talk to out of them all, though.(I met all these people at Warped Tour, BTW) He'll just sit there and hang with you.

I'll tell you whose a real dick though. The lead singer from All American Rejects.
Bastard.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Hm.. I've heard that they're dicks. I don't know, though, I've never met them.

I just saw a video of Second Heartbeat post-surgery, and it was a lot better than I was expecting. The integrity of the song didn't feel shattered like most of the older stuff I've heard live. Shadows attempted a scream at the end, but it was pretty bad, so I guess he really can't scream like he used to. Unless he was somewhat holding back. And there was no horrific "YEEEEEEEAaAaAHHHHH!" to be found, which is always a plus. It was on Youtube if anyone's interested.

[AA-12]

I like the band for the fact that they seem arrogant and egotistical.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I think that that's really just a 'rock star' demeanour that they put on when they do interviews, plus the fact that they are often really sarcastic (the latter I picked up from meeting Shadows).

[AA-12]

Probably. I still love them for it.

[SOAD_Fanatic]

Avenged Sevenfold rules! Bat Country, Burn It Down, Seize The Day, Sidewinder, Chapter Four and Unholy Confessions are my fave tunes.

Trivium rules too!

[Drone]

Yes, you are right.

[i am the robots]

Avenged Sevenfold is really good, I agree, but Trivium... they're allright, Heafy's vocals really grate on my nerves though.

[SOAD_Fanatic]

Avenged Sevenfold is really good, I agree, but Trivium... they're allright, Heafy's vocals really grate on my nerves though.

Really? Why's that? I really like his voice. American singers sound so much better than British ones.

[Drone]

Hmm, I can't say I agree with you on that one.

Steven Wilson > M. Shadows and Matt Heafy

[Eternal_inferno]

Dont know if this is the right place, but anyone know a tab for the outro part of Sidewinder? I mean the acoustic bits. Cant find any on the regular tab sites. Sheet music would work aswell.

[AA-12]

http://mysongbook.com/

[Tillius]

Hmm, I can't say I agree with you on that one.

Steven Wilson > M. Shadows and Matt Heafy

Matt Heafy's decent, but he could be better. His clean vocals blow.

[i am the robots]

Really? Why's that? I really like his voice. American singers sound so much better than British ones.

His screaming is done with the worst technique I've ever come across... he closes his throat and forces air through... it KILLS your voice, which explains why his clean singing blows so much live.

[MRDuCran]

I've noticed that about Matt, but also in Shadows' too, like in I Won't See You Tonight pt 2 where he doubled his vocal tracks to get them thicker, but you can hear the actual tone of his scream is really thin, I'd say it's probably the same thing he did to fukk up his throat.

[i am the robots]

I didn't know that about I Won't See You Tonight Pt. II, but he definately was a little rough around the edges with his technique, but not as bad as some guys which is why I don't understand his voice getting so messed up.

[SOAD_Fanatic]

I like Matt's voice. My idea of a horrible singer would be Jonathan Davis of Korn.

[Drunken Viking]

I didn't know that about I Won't See You Tonight Pt. II, but he definately was a little rough around the edges with his technique, but not as bad as some guys which is why I don't understand his voice getting so messed up.
I'm guessing that it's because he did that technique so so much on STST, and doing those songs live night after night must of screwed him. But actually, contrary to popular belief, the surgery didn't have anything to do with his vocals. He had surgery then they played Warped Tour 04' where he screamed the entire time, they don't have as much screaming because they don't want to.

[nowitzki]

While it is true that they were planning on cutting back on the screams, Matt's surgery obviously influenced it. Continuing to scream would mean him having to have surgery again in a few years time (hence why he doesn't scream on the live WTF songs).

[Drunken Viking]

They have said that they didn't wan't to scream on CoE before his surgery, Matt has even said that.

[alphamonkey]

They have said that they didn't wan't to scream on CoE before his surgery, Matt has even said that.
I've seen it in interviews.

[AA-12]

I like Matt's voice. My idea of a horrible singer would be Jonathan Davis of Korn.
troll alert troll alert troll alert

[Drone]

Matt Heafy's decent, but he could be better. His clean vocals blow.

Yeah, Heafy could be a lot better than he is, and Shadows clean vocals are much better than Heafy's. That comparison does not even need to be made.:p

The reason I mention Steven Wilson is because SOAD fanatic is making a general statement that ALL American singers are better than British ones, and not just the ones in metal, so I had to impose my oh so humble opinion. Heh.

Anyway, Avenged Sevenfold are awesome!

:chug:

[SimonCore]

I'm guessing that it's because he did that technique so so much on STST, and doing those songs live night after night must of screwed him. But actually, contrary to popular belief, the surgery didn't have anything to do with his vocals. He had surgery then they played Warped Tour 04' where he screamed the entire time, they don't have as much screaming because they don't want to.

Wow that's kinda disapointed to know. But i'm sure i've seen videos from the warped tour '04 where he's doing the WTF with clean vocals.

[Crysiss]

lol, that always looks funny.

WTF.

[SimonCore]

lol, that always looks funny.

WTF.

OK that's like the billionth time someone has expressed their view on that. Seriously...get over it!

LoLzzZZzz:smoke:

[Tillius]

Wow that's kinda disapointed to know. But i'm sure i've seen videos from the warped tour '04 where he's doing the WTF with clean vocals.
Ever seen them perform Second Heartbeat on the Warped Tour '04 DVD? Nothing clean about it.

[guitarizzle]

Ever seen them perform Second Heartbeat on the Warped Tour '04 DVD? Nothing clean about it.

Wait, are you sure it isn't the '03 Warped Tour DVD?

[i am the robots]

They're screaming was **** anyways.

Clean vocals suck too.

#1. Their*
#2. Why would you even post that, it's a thread to discuss the band, not insult them.
#3. You obviously know nothing about vocals.

[Insipid2000]

Do you think Avenged Sevenfold might be the next Maiden? Since they are getting pretty big now.

[i am the robots]

I'm guessing that it's because he did that technique so so much on STST, and doing those songs live night after night must of screwed him. But actually, contrary to popular belief, the surgery didn't have anything to do with his vocals. He had surgery then they played Warped Tour 04' where he screamed the entire time, they don't have as much screaming because they don't want to.

In which case I've lost a ton of respect.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Do you think Avenged Sevenfold might be the next Maiden? Since they are getting pretty big now.

No of course not.

1. Metal as a whole isn't popular enough as a genre in the same was as it was during the NWOBHM.
2. There will never be a next Maiden.

Although I really despise the phrase next maiden/sabbath/'tallica/insert successful band name in genearl anyway.

[SimonCore]

Yeah even though it seems Metal is really popular, it's actually indie that's the most popular know. Hence why Franz Ferdinand are hedlining Leeds/Reading festival.

[Tillius]

Metal will rise again.:cool:

[SimonCore]

I prefer bands who play middle size venues though, because the tickets don't seel out in 5 minutes, and they do more tours, and you can meet them if you try.

[i am the robots]

That's how I am too.

[SimonCore]

Like Metallica for instance, they hardly ever tour, and they're too big to just do normal shows. That'd really annoy me if mosts bands i liked were like that.

[Happy]

You never know about A7X. It took Metallica about 4 albums to get big.
They could get that big.

[SimonCore]

Yeah it could happen possibly. I remember the early WTF days no-one knew who they were, it was both good and bad.

[i am the robots]

Like Metallica for instance, they hardly ever tour, and they're too big to just do normal shows. That'd really annoy me if mosts bands i liked were like that.

I'll tell you right now that it's really annoying with In Flames and Opeth.

[Tillius]

When STST and WTF came out, barely anybody knew who the hell A7X was.

CoE has really done a lot for them, and it's really likely that they COULD become the next Metallica.

I just hope they don't all become little bitches like Metallica.

[Drunken Viking]

WTF got pretty big, have you seen the Unholy Confessions video, that place looks pretty big to me.

[i am the robots]

City of Evil didn't just do it for them... playing the Warped Tour for like 4 years in a row probably helped too.

I miss the old A7X though... like I was watching them play Second Heartbeat in '03 and Matt just smiles sometimes, like, he was loving it.... I don't get why they say they didn't like the screaming, cause you could tell he was into it.

[SimonCore]

City of Evil didn't just do it for them... playing the Warped Tour for like 4 years in a row probably helped too.

I miss the old A7X though... like I was watching them play Second Heartbeat in '03 and Matt just smiles sometimes, like, he was loving it.... I don't get why they say they didn't like the screaming, cause you could tell he was into it.

Yeah it just feels right when you see them in there old school sleevles black tops, and they're all chilled out when they're introducing a song, and then they get really into it when they start playing.

[i am the robots]

Yeah it just feels right when you see them in there old school sleevles black tops, and they're all chilled out when they're introducing a song, and then they get really into it when they start playing.

I know, I really miss that.

[SimonCore]

I'm glad COE was made because I would die for songs like 'Betrayed', but i think they should still keep the older school style. That would be mint.

[i am the robots]

I'm overall quite displeased with City of Evil

[Txus]

I'm in a A7X binge at the moment, I think COE is an amzing album. Why don't you like it eleventeen?

NP: A7X - Seize The Day

[i am the robots]

I dunno, it's really cheesey, like the music is pretty good, but it's still extremely cheesey... if the vocals weren't so bad it might be a good album, but I just think Matt sounds like **** the entire album.

[Tillius]

I still love CoE, I just don't find WTF to be ten times better.

And, like I've said before, the only time I really have a problem with Matt's voice in CoE is during the chorus of Strength of the World.

[i am the robots]

Oh god... that part is so painful.

[Tillius]

I cringe everytime.

Other than that, Strength of the World is a good song with awesome music behind the vocals, but on that one part.............
:(

[deathscreamingsheep]

I dunno, it's really cheesey, like the music is pretty good, but it's still extremely cheesey... if the vocals weren't so bad it might be a good album, but I just think Matt sounds like **** the entire album.

I love Matt's voice. Meh. Anyway, I just watched one of the San Diego live shows for Chapter Four. It was actually really good without the screaming which is cool as it is one of the only older songs that they've done live that I actually think is just as good without harsh vox.

[AA-12]

I love that part in Strength of the World :-\

[SimonCore]

WTF is definatly better but CoE you just can't dismiss. This band is so talented it shouldn't be legal. The only bit that would suit the old vocals id the "Give me your hand..." bit on Chapter four.

[Insipid2000]

I think Synyster Gates is way better than James Hetfield or Hammet.

[AA-12]

Definitely.

[Drunken Viking]

I think it's all subjective.

[AA-12]

Technically wise, he is.

[Crysiss]

yep, Hammets solos seemed to follow the same formula.

[pep]

Hammet solos sound the same since Black Album. Synyster`s solos are way better. I like the one in Beast and the Harlot, its very happy sounding :cool:

[Crysiss]

Thats one thing I dislike about CoE, Very happy sounding.

Sidewinder is great though.

[MRDuCran]

I think Synyster Gates is way better than James Hetfield or HammeTT.

I doubt Sg could pull off some of Hammett's solos.

ie, Hit the Lights, Dyers Eve, Blackened, Damage Inc, Fight Fire with Fire etc.

Sure, neither of them are the best players in the world but I'd be suprised if he could.

[AA-12]

Eh, I've seen SG pull off some way harder things than those. Look up his video of him playing some jazz stuff at a concert. It's unbelievable.

[MRDuCran]

I'll be sure to do that.

I've seen a live video of him in concert playing an unaccompanied guitar solo, which was sloppy. In all seriousness, I could play what he was playing cleaner.

[AA-12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrZrO8iSyQA&search=Synyster%20Gate This?

[Crysiss]

That was boring.

[AA-12]

I liked it.

This is a great video http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=Synyster+Gate&v=kUYiUXy9DcM

[Crysiss]

I mainly thought it was boring because it was unaccompanied.

Ahh, I always like watching in studio videos:)

[pep]

That was boring.

Why do you think its boring?

[Insipid2000]

Im sick of metallica boring.......

[Crysiss]

I stated it in my later post.

It was unaccompanied. Now if it was a guitar duel, that would've been 10x more interesting:)

[Insipid2000]

Thats one thing I dislike about CoE, Very happy sounding.

Sidewinder is great though.

So were Maiden albums they were pretty happy sounding, I like CoE it keeps me intersted throughout the whole album.:)

[Crysiss]

But you cant **** with Maiden:D

[Insipid2000]

A7X remind me of maiden so much I just cant help myself.

[Crysiss]

I can hardly make the comparison.

I see a Guns n Roses influence though.

[Insipid2000]

Maiden started off as a Metal band with punk sound in it which is the same sort of thing A7X is doing.

[Txus]

I really can't compare A7X with Maiden or Guns....WTF are you guys talking about?

[Drunken Viking]

I can see how someone would say they are similar (Maiden and GNR to A7X) but we really should stop with the new Metallica and stuff like that. Instead of living in the past and hoping for metal to rule again, we need to deal with what we've got and stop trying to reinvent Metallica and Maiden again.

[Insipid2000]

True, A7X are our era and thats it.

[AA-12]

Listen to that soft song off City OF Evil dumbass.
Wow, you're a douche. No need to call him a dumbass.

[AA-12]

Um, not really. I don't really hear it either.

[AA-12]

Well your a ****ing idiot too. goddamn you guys are gay.
Ahahahahaha, I love being smarter than others about music.

[Drunken Viking]

SSome people can see the influences, some can't, that doesn't make them dumb.

[AA-12]

I'm the one that's correct here.

[Drunken Viking]

You're both wrong, unless someone said it's all subjective. In which case they'd be right.

[AA-12]

And Why is that?

I said that you could hear a GnR influence in that song. tell me you cant hear it. Hes singing like axl man

Practically ripping him off fan boy.
You said clean vocals suck.

[Drunken Viking]

You said clean vocals suck.
:lol:

[Drunken Viking]

I didnt say clean vocals suck.

I said there vocals suck


Clean vocals suck too.
:rolleyes:

[Drunken Viking]

What, clean vocals?

[AA-12]

:rolleyes:
We need to band together to take out these noobs.

[Drunken Viking]

We need to band together to take out these noobs.
Sounds like fun, I'm calling in backup. chik-chik.

and how do you take out noobs? argue?
Pwning them usually works.

[Drunken Viking]

and how do you do that if theyre trolling? hmm?

By banding together, you've already been pwned by me.
The fag really doesn't need me too, he already looks like a jackass. And I guess we've pwned you, so mission accomplished.

[AA-12]

You guys have pwned yourself by failing to troll like others have done.

[Drunken Viking]

Burn.

[Crysiss]

Dont trolls troll for the sake of pissing people off?

[Drunken Viking]

Yep.

[SimonCore]

Lol, you always get this every few weeks. A n00b who just comes in and starts arguments in forums to try and be 'hard'. Cracks me up LoLLLLzzZZZzzz, is lyk soooo funi=D

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Dammit, I missed a noob war. :(

Anyways, I just found the Warmness on the Soul EP. I wouldn't recommend it. It's not even different versions of the songs on STST. And it was only a couple dollars less than STST.

But it rounded out my A7X discography, so I guess it was worth it.

[Crysiss]

lol, Pooty Tang, that was the noob.

[i am the robots]

Dammit, I missed a noob war. :(

Anyways, I just found the Warmness on the Soul EP. I wouldn't recommend it. It's not even different versions of the songs on STST. And it was only a couple dollars less than STST.

But it rounded out my A7X discography, so I guess it was worth it.

Kinda like me buying the Daddy EP by Korn... except it was worse quality and Jon kinda screams at some points... it's worth a bit, so maybe I'll sell it some day... maybe.

[DKMode]

I doubt Sg could pull off some of Hammett's solos.

ie, Hit the Lights, Dyers Eve, Blackened, Damage Inc, Fight Fire with Fire etc.

Sure, neither of them are the best players in the world but I'd be suprised if he could.
Kirk Hammett is really not a very good guitar player. basically everything he plays is hidden under a wah pedal to cover up his sloppiness. he is completely untrained, and the only thing he can do is shred somewhat fast. technically speaking i dont know how you can ever compare syn to hammett. Syn studied jazz at GIT and got a degree in it, Kirk Hammet took a couple lessons from Joe Satriani and went from there. Synyster Gates is a far superior guitar player. now that said, kirk hammett is still one of the most influential metal guitar players around, and only time will tell if syn will have the same effect.

[i am the robots]

Syn's solos are more emotional too.

[Drunken Viking]

Dammit, I missed a noob war. :(

Anyways, I just found the Warmness on the Soul EP. I wouldn't recommend it. It's not even different versions of the songs on STST. And it was only a couple dollars less than STST.

But it rounded out my A7X discography, so I guess it was worth it.
It wasn't meant to be another album, it was used to promote STST.

[MRDuCran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrZrO8iSyQA&search=Synyster%20Gate This?

Yes, that. There's simply nothing unbelieveable about that. I also don't really hear any "jazz" in that either.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1eLsq864bo&search=paul%20gilbert) is impressive.
And so is this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60XNiS-MQ&search=paul%20gilbert)

Kirk Hammett is really not a very good guitar player. basically everything he plays is hidden under a wah pedal to cover up his sloppiness. he is completely untrained, and the only thing he can do is shred somewhat fast. technically speaking i dont know how you can ever compare syn to hammett. Syn studied jazz at GIT and got a degree in it, Kirk Hammet took a couple lessons from Joe Satriani and went from there. Synyster Gates is a far superior guitar player. now that said, kirk hammett is still one of the most influential metal guitar players around, and only time will tell if syn will have the same effect.

Yes, Kirk is sloppy. So is Synyster. But Kirk can play faster things and he does know his theory. How many people more people struggle with the solos off of Kill Em All than Waking the Fallen, alot. Who care's if you study jazz, doesn't makes you an incredible player, Paul Gilbert owned everyone at GIT before he even got there. Tom Morello studied with Michael Angelo, is he as good as him? No.

Don't get the wrong idea, I love Avenged Sevenfold, but Synyster Gates isn't a technically amazing player, at least considering the people I listen to.

[A7X_Theater_88]

yeah gates is quite sloppy live, but he writes really cool stuff. Like he is good, but technically he just doesn't compare to people like vai, petrucci, batio and so on.

[Happy]

That solo was really meh... One of the worst improvs I've ever heard.

Maybe that was just a bad day, cos I really like the stuff on CD.

[SimonCore]

Synsyter Gates is one of the best upcoming guitarists...and he's only upcomming! Seriously he is gonna go down like Dimebag methinks.

[MRDuCran]

Was that a pun meaning he's going to die...

[Hevy Tred]

Originally Posted by MRDuCran
I doubt Sg could pull off some of Hammett's solos.

ie, Hit the Lights, Dyers Eve, Blackened, Damage Inc, Fight Fire with Fire etc.

Sure, neither of them are the best players in the world but I'd be suprised if he could.
.


Not to nitpick, (ok yes, to) But wasnt hit the light written by Mustaine? back in the kill em all days?

[Happy]

All the solos except for 2 on Kill 'em all were written by Mustaine.

[Hevy Tred]

As i thought

Good day AX7 thread

[i am the robots]

Synsyter Gates is one of the best upcoming guitarists...and he's only upcomming! Seriously he is gonna go down like Dimebag methinks.

Like... by being shot by a psychopath over songs he, 'stole?'

[SimonCore]

No Pun intended!!

[MRDuCran]

Not to nitpick, (ok yes, to) But wasnt hit the light written by Mustaine? back in the kill em all days?

Doesn't matter if it was written by my nan, Kirk still played it.

Anyway, forget it, Synyster is awesome.

[SimonCore]

I'd like to see Zacky do some solo's in the future albums. Just to see how much up to standard with Syn he is.

[AA-12]

Who care's if you study jazz, doesn't makes you an incredible player, Paul Gilbert owned everyone at GIT before he even got there. Tom Morello studied with Michael Angelo, is he as good as him? No.

Don't get the wrong idea, I love Avenged Sevenfold, but Synyster Gates isn't a technically amazing player, at least considering the people I listen to.
If you can even come close to mastering jazz, then you'll be an amazing player.

[MRDuCran]

Yeah but saying he studied it could just mean he learned about structure and form, common scales and chords found in popular jazz pieces, chord/scale relation etc etc. I think Jazz is more about that side of it anyway, it's more about how you think as opposed to how fast you can play, like in Metal.

[AA-12]

Eh, most jazz guitartists are way faster than metal guitarists is what i'm saying though. They also play much harder things.

[MRDuCran]

I definately agree with the last part, the do play some pretty complex things, but not to my taste.

[Britton]

Syn isn't the best player (technically speaking) but that's probably why I like him so much. I mean people like Steve Vai and Yngwie are amazing players...but they never mess up and they are hardly human...I don't know...I guess I like there to be some balance in players

[i am the robots]

Yeah but saying he studied it could just mean he learned about structure and form, common scales and chords found in popular jazz pieces, chord/scale relation etc etc. I think Jazz is more about that side of it anyway, it's more about how you think as opposed to how fast you can play, like in Metal.

Metal isn't about speed, otherwise there would be no doom or drone...

[Britton]

Metal isn't about speed, otherwise there would be no doom or drone...




But it certainly helps ;)


Music is about time

[i am the robots]

The speed of music does nothing for it, it's the emotional value.

However, yes, timing does matter.

[MRDuCran]

You know what I mean, there's tonnes of bands that have guitar solos and sh!t, go to a guitar school and it'll be a huge competition about speed.

[i am the robots]

You're aBodom fanboy, of course all you care about is speed.

(pointless insult)

[Crysiss]

haha, weak.

But I agree, speed shouldnt have to an important factor in metal

[AA-12]

Unless it's thrash :-p

[MRDuCran]

You're aBodom fanboy, of course all you care about is speed.

(pointless insult)

Hahahahaha

[i am the robots]

I adblocked your avatar, the pink background was so freaking irritating.

[DKMode]

This is impressive.
And so is this.

Yes, Kirk is sloppy. So is Synyster. But Kirk can play faster things and he does know his theory. How many people more people struggle with the solos off of Kill Em All than Waking the Fallen, alot. Who care's if you study jazz, doesn't makes you an incredible player, Paul Gilbert owned everyone at GIT before he even got there. Tom Morello studied with Michael Angelo, is he as good as him? No.

im not stupid enough to compare syn to paul gilbert so that comparison was completely unnecessary. also, kirk cannot play any faster than synyster gates can. in fact im pretty sure syn could shred him under the table. and he didnt just study jazz, he got a degree in it from GIT. i dont know what you know about GIT, but thats not an easy thing to do. he knows a little bit more than the standard theory involved in a jazz song.


Yeah but saying he studied it could just mean he learned about structure and form, common scales and chords found in popular jazz pieces, chord/scale relation etc etc. I think Jazz is more about that side of it anyway, it's more about how you think as opposed to how fast you can play, like in Metal.

like i said, he didnt just study jazz for a couple months, he studied there for 4 years and got a degree in it. you dont get a degree at GIT, the most prestigious guitar school in North America, without basically mastering your instrument. and most trained jazz players could probably play metal better than most metal players.

[MRDuCran]

I adblocked your avatar, the pink background was so freaking irritating.

Shame.

im not stupid enough to compare syn to paul gilbert so that comparison was completely unnecessary. also, kirk cannot play any faster than synyster gates can. in fact im pretty sure syn could shred him under the table. and he didnt just study jazz, he got a degree in it from GIT. i dont know what you know about GIT, but thats not an easy thing to do. he knows a little bit more than the standard theory involved in a jazz song.

I made the comparison because I read that one of his guitar solos was "unbelieveable". I simply disagreed and linked something that nearly was, at least when I first saw it, it was.

Anything else related, I really don't care. You're all making a big deal out of this, when it's not. Yes, this whole thing has been about technical skill and I just wanted to make one point, but of course none of that matters when I can sit back and enjoy both Metallica's and Avenged Sevenfold's music.

[SimonCore]

When my band plays 'Chapter four' i find myself singing the knewer clean vocals for the verse (Concieved....and Born, was one of light!!!!). It's quite fun to do actually.

[Tillius]

The Wicked End=epic song

I haven't listened to it in a few months, but I'm listening to it now, and I'd forgotten how much I love it.

[i am the robots]

When my band plays 'Chapter four' i find myself singing the knewer clean vocals for the verse (Concieved....and Born, was one of light!!!!). It's quite fun to do actually.

ewww

:p

When my band plays Unholy Confessions I find myself doing completely harsh vocals until the chorus.

[Drunken Viking]

:upset: I don't have a band.

[SimonCore]

Yeah normally i do it screaming, but it gets abit tedious in Chapter four on the verse. It's the only part on the whole of WTF where screaming killed the melody.

[Crysiss]

:upset: I don't have a band.

Me too:upset:

I have an e-band though:p

[SimonCore]

Wow, i like really find MIA an amzing song now. The only one i find boring on CoE is Wicked end TRACK 8. and the only song i find boring on WTF Radient Eclipse also TRACK 8...:O:O:O:O:may God help us all.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

When my band plays 'Chapter four' i find myself singing the knewer clean vocals for the verse (Concieved....and Born, was one of light!!!!). It's quite fun to do actually.
Usually when I sing along to Chapter Four, I do the clean vocals in the background (the "Give me your hand" bit). Probably because my metal scream is rather ***-tastic. But never, ever, will an old A7X song with substituted clean vocals beat the original. It can't be done.

And I don't have a band either. Most of my friends that I share musical tastes with either don't play an instrument or aren't serious enough about it to start a band. :mad:

[Tillius]

Wow, i like really find MIA an amzing song now. The only one i find boring on CoE is Wicked end TRACK 8. and the only song i find boring on WTF Radient Eclipse also TRACK 8...:O:O:O:O:may God help us all.
:eek:

How could you find The Wicked End boring? I mean, Radiant Eclipse is one thing, but the Wicked End.....................:eek:

[Drone]

He is obviously insane. :p

I think the worst on City of Evil is Blinded in Chains. It's not a bad song, but there is something about it that rubs me the wrong way. I also hope there is less guitar harmonizing on the next album. It works well in some cases, but in others it does not. For example, Burn it Down goes from that wonderful heavy intro into that "happy" sounded guitar harmonization. The transition does not work well for me. The rest of the song is ace, though.

[i am the robots]

Yeah normally i do it screaming, but it gets abit tedious in Chapter four on the verse. It's the only part on the whole of WTF where screaming killed the melody.

The double tracking is actually really good, I like the clean singing/screaming combo (much like the little hook in Second Heartbeat, or the verse in Eternal Rest).

[DKMode]

He is obviously insane. :p

I think the worst on City of Evil is Blinded in Chains. It's not a bad song, but there is something about it that rubs me the wrong way. I also hope there is less guitar harmonizing on the next album. It works well in some cases, but in others it does not. For example, Burn it Down goes from that wonderful heavy intro into that "happy" sounded guitar harmonization. The transition does not work well for me. The rest of the song is ace, though.
Blinded in chains was one of my least favorites too at first then once i really started listening to it and it became one of my favs on the CD. clearly the weakest song on CoE if bat country. it was clearly written for commercial success as it is way too poppy in parts. thats the only weakpoint of the whole album.

[Drunken Viking]

I used to hate BiC, but when I saw them do it live it really made me like it. Same with Strength of the World, and MIA.

[Drone]

For me, Bat Country is too catchy to hate. I can see myself liking it less in the future, though. Sidewinder is my favorite on City of Evil.

[SimonCore]

Blinded in Chains is a really good song, but the gay outro is really annoying, and it takes up like a minute and a half of the song. There was absolutly no point in putting that bit in!

[A7X_Theater_88]

M.I.A has the best chorus out of any songs off COE. I wish they would repeat it mroe than twice, it is so awesome.

[DKMode]

^^^^^^^

agreed 100%. i honestly listen to that song non stop!

[pep]

I was kinda dissapointed because that chorus is played only 2 times. They could have used it lots of times during the instrumental and ending parts, but noooes :upset:

[Tillius]

I agree, MIA's chorus is awesome.

Bat Country is a good song, but it really got overplayed, and I think that's why I stopped liking it as much as I did. I mean, it's still good, but it started to get old.

[rockgod90]

Forget a follow up to COE they should re-record STST first.

[Drunken Viking]

Why the hell would they re-record either?

[deathscreamingsheep]

Blinded in chains was one of my least favorites too at first then once i really started listening to it and it became one of my favs on the CD. clearly the weakest song on CoE if bat country. it was clearly written for commercial success as it is way too poppy in parts. thats the only weakpoint of the whole album.

I don't think Blinded in Chains is bad, but it's the only song that when I listen to the album is really skippable. The others I will tend to listen to. Although, I do like the "Most would claim I live a lie" bit. M.I.A. is probably my fave.

Why the hell would they re-record either?

I agree. STST is good as it is. The recording quality ain't great, but it works fine as it is.

[Happy]

Forget a follow up to COE they should re-record STST first.
I don't want them to waste time re-recording earlier albums when they could be making more great music.

[SimonCore]

"FORGET A FOLLOW UP ALBUM" Wow i don't even need to say anything more to stress how stupid that sentence was. Re-recording STST would be the biggest mistake A7X could ever make (and for WTF). And they wouldn't do it anyway, they like it the way it is.

[i am the robots]

A remastered STST would be nice, actually, but no re-recordings, not with Matt's new singing.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

If they re-did STST with Matt's new vocals, I would cry. That would be the only time ever that a band butchered their own songs. Hearing Matt obnoxiously sing "Darkness coats us" would make me die inside.

[AA-12]

Okay here I come with my typical anti thread comments.

STST re recording with Matt's vocals would completely own.

[Britton]

Okay here I come with my typical anti thread comments.

STST re recording with Matt's vocals would completely own.



I agree. The vocals are the only part of the album I don't like. They are the reason I hardly ever listen to it.

[Tillius]

Even if they DID re-record STST with Matt's new vocals, and by some chance it DID come out good, you're talking about taking classic songs like Darkness Surrounding, We Come Out at Night, Warmness on the soul, and you're taking them apart. Whether it sounds good or not, the way it is is the way that the fans know it as, and to go and change it would not be good.

[AA-12]

Yeah, but I think the original is terrible anyway, so i'd normally think the new one is much better.

[Turn_ip]

I love seize the day. Favourite song.
I wanted to go see them back in March but I couldnt.
And again, I cant go to Metallica to see em either!! : (

[Crysiss]

Sieze The Day is cool.

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