Avenged Sevenfold

[I'm Charming]

are u shure or r u jst sayin that cuz ur head blew up hehehee

It's okay Josh. I put the pieces back together.

[SimonCore]

Is it true that Sevenfold are recording 'Walk'?

[DKMode]

that would be wicked if they did, ive seen little clips of them playing it live but its short and ****ty quality. if you wanna see it its on www.youtube.com. when are they going to record a new album anyways?

[guitarizzle]

that would be wicked if they did, ive seen little clips of them playing it live but its short and ****ty quality. if you wanna see it its on www.youtube.com. when are they going to record a new album anyways?


I freakin' posted a full version of A7X playing walk on page 161 for you guys!

by the way, SimonCore, your avatar is \m/

[Drunken Viking]

that would be wicked if they did, ive seen little clips of them playing it live but its short and ****ty quality. if you wanna see it its on www.youtube.com. when are they going to record a new album anyways?
They will be writing/recording in early 2007, around February or March I'm guessing.

The version that Guitarizzle posted is great, and it has To End Rapture.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

avenged sevenfold have improved ALOT imo. they were right in changing their style because it is so much better not than ever. city of evil is a great album with many excellent songs such as sidewinder, seize the day and strengh of the world. Shadows has a really cool voice and is much better than the screaming ****e he used to do.

[blue3]

Seize the Day is awesome. Actually I've only heard a few songs by them.. One of my friends is a huge fan though.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

Listen to more if you like seize the day, songs like sidewinder and strength of the world are just immense

[deathscreamingsheep]

Shadows has a really cool voice and is much better than the screaming ****e he used to do.

He did a lot of singing before as well you know.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

not enough though, hes so much better now (imo anyway)

[guitarizzle]

"And All Things Will End" has the best vocals, in my opinion.

:chug:

[I'm Charming]

He did a lot of singing before as well you know.

Very true.

I don't prefer either. Both are great.

[Drunken Viking]

not enough though, hes so much better now (imo anyway)
He had a singing part every song, more then 60 percent of the entire album was clean singing, his voice was stronger then to.

[UpperDecker]

IMO his singing on Waking The Falling was the best he's ever done. Even though he's taking an entirely different approach on City of Evil i still say he was better before.

[Lartsa]

Shadows vocals are still kickass now.
Just take a look at this video that I, so kindly, uploaded for you guys.
Its them playing "To end the Rapture" and "Walk"

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N3OY4MMD

This was an ace video.
I loved it, Thanks alot.

[MRDuCran]

IMO his singing on Waking The Falling was the best he's ever done. Even though he's taking an entirely different approach on City of Evil i still say he was better before.

That's pretty much how I feel too. The screaming stuff on Chapter Four and I Won't See YOu Tonight pt.2 is what drew me to them, since I love Alexi Liaho's vocals and they kinda sound similar to me.

[DKMode]

his clean vocals definitely were stronger before the surgery, but im willing to sacrifice a little power in order to have 100% clean vocals on their future recordings. on another note i was looking through an old guitar world today and there is an article with syn and zacky from just before city of evil is released, and they said they really stepped up their guitar playing for this record, but on the next one they will be ready to all out shred. that got me very excited, and i thought all the guitar players in here would like that too. noone answered my question of when they will be recording their next album though? also why wont they come to canada!!!?

[Kreator2112]

words cannot describe how much i hate this band. their vocalist is beyond horrible. i thought the ghost white with tats and piercings look went out with good charlotte..

[guitrguy]

words cannot describe how much i hate this band. their vocalist is beyond horrible. i thought the ghost white with tats and piercings look went out with good charlotte..
How do you really know about singing?

[Kreator2112]

ok, i was wrong..hes the best vocalist ive ever heard..no wonder they sell records.

[guitrguy]

ok, i was wrong..hes the best vocalist ive ever heard..no wonder they sell records.
You didn't answer my question? I think you have an opinion, but you seem to think you opinion is legitimate judgement of skill and talent.

[Kreator2112]

ive been around music, both vocal and instrumental, for sometime now. im pretty sure i know what i like.

[guitrguy]

ive been around music, both vocal and instrumental, for sometime now. im pretty sure i know what i like.
I didn't say you didn't know what you like, and your opinion shared by many other here in R&M. I just don't why you come into thread dedicated to A7X's fan proclaim you're opinion as if it is the ultimate judgement of skill/talent.

[Kreator2112]

dude im too tired to think right now. im not really sure why i clicked this thread. maybe to waste time? but yea a7x annoys the hell out of me. its stupid to see guys covered in tats acting like badasses

[MRDuCran]

but yea a7x annoys the hell out of me.

YOU annoy the hell out of me.

[guitrguy]

but yea a7x annoys the hell out of me.
So... No one in here cares.
its stupid to see guys covered in tats acting like badasses
I geuss its stupid to think differently than you, and to have different taste than you.

[Kreator2112]

im not opinionated, im just always right.

[MRDuCran]

I reported him.

[guitrguy]

im not opinionated, im just always right.
+1 to stupid for you.

Do you honestly think any one cares that you don't like A7X. Alot of people don't like and geuss what? A7X fans plain old don't care.

[Kreator2112]

i dont really care about any of these threads, theyre kinda lame..you can just talk with your friends about music and crap...assuming you have actual friends.

[Shadows Within]

i dont really care about any of these threads, theyre kinda lame..you can just talk with your friends about music and crap...assuming you have actual friends.
lol....actuall friend

[guitrguy]

i dont really care about any of these threads, theyre kinda lame..you can just talk with your friends about music and crap...assuming you have actual friends.
THEN WHY ARE YOU POSTING HERE?

[Kreator2112]

sheer boredom, im gonna stop posting in a7x and bodom threads

[Shadows Within]

sheer boredom, im gonna stop posting in a7x and bodom threads
its onto the opeth thread then?

[Kreator2112]

ok, maybe 1 more

how the hell do you get 'a7x' from avenged sevenfold...how does fold stand for x?

[Shadows Within]

ok, maybe 1 more

how the hell do you get 'a7x' from avenged sevenfold...how does fold stand for x?
because it's easier than spelling it out mabye?

[guitrguy]

ok, maybe 1 more

how the hell do you get 'a7x' from avenged sevenfold...how does fold stand for x?
The way fold is used is meant to mean multiplied by 7.

x is often used to mean times or to multiply

[Kreator2112]

ah, i seeeee

last post

[I'm Charming]

ah, i seeeee

last post


Get the **** out you little inbred cunt! :thumb:

[guitrguy]

Get the **** out you little inbred cunt! :thumb:
Sorry but you're late.

[I'm Charming]

Sorry but you're late.


but but but.... I wanted a piece of this n00b!

[guitrguy]

but but but.... I wanted a piece of this n00b!
sorry man. Funny things is I don't really like A7X either. I love playing the devil's advocate.

[I'm Charming]

sorry man. Funny things is I don't really like A7X either. I love playing the devil's advocate.


hahaha. I love them.

[guitrguy]

hahaha. I love them.
I used to but I just kind grew tired of them and moved on to other music.
hmm I might just put on them on tomorrow morning on the way to school for just for nostalgia.

[I'm Charming]

I used to but I just kind grew tired of them and moved on to other music.
hmm I might just put on them on tomorrow morning on the way to school for just for nostalgia.

It's pretty good stuff.
CoE has plenty of nice leads & solos.

[guitrguy]

It's pretty good stuff.
CoE has plenty of nice leads & solos.
The guitar work is pretty good, they are just one of those bands I over listened too, then I heard their new album and I no longer wanted to listen to them. I did the same thing with CoB.

CoE???

[nowitzki]

City of Evil

[guitrguy]

City of Evil
oh, I might have to give it another try. Bat Country really turned me off to it.

[I'm Charming]

oh, I might have to give it another try. Bat Country really turned me off to it.

That's most likely the worst song on the album.

Try: Burn It Down, MIA, Sidewinder & Strength Of The World

[guitrguy]

That's most likely the worst song on the album.

Try: Burn It Down, MIA, Sidewinder & Strength Of The World
Will do. I'll just steal the CD from my little Bro.

[I'm Charming]

Will do. I'll just steal the CD from my little Bro.


haha. That works.

[DKMode]

god, both times ive asked my question, some idiot came in and stirred up controversy.........does anyone know when they are going to record their next album????

[AA-12]

No.

[Drunken Viking]

Proably early 2007 according to Shadows they are gonna keep touring all this year until then, then record a new album.

[Tillius]

That's most likely the worst song on the album.

Try: Burn It Down, MIA, Sidewinder & Strength Of The World
God DAMMIT why does everybody love that song so much?

[Drunken Viking]

I'm trying to learn it, it's so epic. Dueling guitars, his voice is more bearable on most of that too. Just not the chorus.

[DKMode]

ya I'd say bat country is by far the worst song on the album. its way too poppy. my favs are beast and the harlot (a little poppy too), sidewinder, trashed and scattered, MIA, and blinded in chains. alot of people look over betrayed too but i really like it.

[Lartsa]

God DAMMIT why does everybody love that song so much?

I prefer The Wicked End to SOTW, It's a faster song, frantic; It slows down and gets epic, then speeds back up. Everything blends so well.

[Happy]

God DAMMIT why does everybody love that song so much?
I have no idea. It's one of the songs on the album I can't listen to.

[a_girl_brushed_red_x]

strength of the world is the worst song ever. its like guns n roses but worse.

[Shadius]

You guys are insane, Bat Country is one of the better songs on CoE, it's so catchy, and the leads are great. That solo is one of the best he's done. You guys make me laugh with your fear of a song being popular. Too metal for a song that's played on TRL, eh? :p

Other favourites of mine are Burn it Down, mostly for the over the top "WOAH-OH-OH-OOH!" and powermetal influenced speedy riffs.

Trashed and Scattered is brilliant, it's one of the heavier songs, I love his vocals on this one though. Very Guns n' Roses.

Seize the Day is cool for the ballad, a bit of a change, seeing as a lot of the songs are in a similar vein.

MIA is probably my favourite track on here, very Iron Maiden.

Oh, and out of those two over the top epic's, I prefer Strength of the World to The Wicked End. And despite what seems to be popular opinion, Sidewinder is a fairly below average song, with an awesome dual flamenco solo at the end, barely redeeming it.

[Nepenthe]

You guys are insane, Bat Country is one of the better songs on CoE, it's so catchy, and the leads are great. That solo is one of the best he's done. You guys make me laugh with your fear of a song being popular. Too metal for a song that's played on TRL, eh? :p

Other favourites of mine are Burn it Down, mostly for the over the top "WOAH-OH-OH-OOH!" and powermetal influenced speedy riffs.

Trashed and Scattered is brilliant, it's one of the heavier songs, I love his vocals on this one though. Very Guns n' Roses.

Seize the Day is cool for the ballad, a bit of a change, seeing as a lot of the songs are in a similar vein.

MIA is probably my favourite track on here, very Iron Maiden.

Oh, and out of those two over the top epic's, I prefer Strength of the World to The Wicked End. And despite what seems to be popular opinion, Sidewinder is a fairly below average song, with an awesome dual flamenco solo at the end, barely redeeming it.

I agree with this post 100%.

[Happy]

strength of the world is the worst song ever. its like guns n roses but worse.
Nah wouldn't go that far.

[pep]

I agree with this post 100%.


I agree with him too.

[i am the robots]

Strength of the World is God aweful :lol:.

[Arucard]

It is a horrific song.

[i am the robots]

Yay, I'm agreeing with Joe again!

[Rats!]

Anyone who calls Sidewinder "fairly below average" automatically relinquishes all credibility.

[SimonCore]

To be honest, the only 'average' Sevenfold song is 'Radient eclipse'. Oh yeah and of course 'Bat country'.

[Shadius]

Strength of the World is God aweful :lol:.

Whatever it is, The Wicked End is far worse.

[Shadius]

Anyone who calls Sidewinder "fairly below average" automatically relinquishes all credibility.

It is below average for the album, like I say, the end of the song is fantastic, but the begining? Perhaps I'd need to be a redneck to fully appreciate it.

[Lesbian_Seagull]

Am I the only one who thinks Gates and Vengeance are addicted to chromatic scales? :lol:

[cbmartinez]

I love "Strength Of The World." The whole western thing makes it sound epic, it works real well with the song.

[SimonCore]

Oh yeah i forgot about Wicked end.

[a_girl_brushed_red_x]

city of evil is totally lame

it has no redeaming qualities

m. shadows voice sounds like its gonna blow out ever 10 seconds and the music is so corny

[SimonCore]

Oh god yet another n00b bursting into a thread and saying how crap a band is, without giving any proper reason, in a thread full of that bands fans. At least start off with positive comments...

[AA-12]

city of evil is totally lame

it has no redeaming qualities

m. shadows voice sounds like its gonna blow out ever 10 seconds and the music is so corny
whaaaaaawhaaaaaawhaaaaaaaa

Go listen to somemore **** music.

Anyway, I don't see how people here dislike Sidewinder, it's amazing.

[a_girl_brushed_red_x]

**** music?

you mean like poison the well or older a7x?

[Lartsa]

To be honest, the only 'average' Sevenfold song is 'Radient eclipse'. Oh yeah and of course 'Bat country'.

I agree with that, Though I liked Radiant; especially the WHOAAAAAA's at the end.

Sidewinder isn't redneck; It has an old western theme, the life of a coldblooded viper. Now if Shadows sung about himself getting bit while drinking his Coors Lite and shooting raccoons, crying about how mexicans "took his job" then perhaps.

[TemperamentalGoat]

City of Evil still gets plays from me. Strength of the World and The Wicked End are certainly epics worthy of mentioning in any metal fan's dictionary. M.I.A very very good.

I downloaded sidewinder and cut out the entire beginning up to the acoustic solo. That song sucks with the exception of the ending =\
Anyone feel as though the end of the album (Last 4-5 tracks) to be far superior to how it began? With the exception of the first track the next three blow. It finally picks up its legs on "Trashed and Scattered" with its absolutely blistering intro and ending part.

Also, Shadows' vocals are absolutely terrible. argh. The reason he pushes so hard to sing "rough edged" is probably because he wants to get as close to his old form of screaming as possible while retaining his current form of clean singing only. It didn't work, man, his voice is hoarse as hell and its grinding to listen to. There isn't a song that he didn't ruin to some degree, with the possible exception of "Trashed and Scattered" and "Beast and the Harlot".

[Arucard]

Yay, I'm agreeing with Joe again!

I'm pretty sure i never want to hear the last half of City Of Evil ever again :\

I've started REALLY hating it, and liking WTF alot more.

[Lartsa]

To me:

BATH - Great intro.
BID - Great
BIC - Alright
BC - Alright
T&S - Great
STD - Alright.
Sidewinder - Great
TWE - Great
SOTW - Good
Betrayed - Good
MIA - Good

The album fluctuates, It has it's moments.
Yeah, I found myself listening to WTF more lately; Turning on specific tracks of COE in between. I finally listened to IWSYT PT.1, It's got me hooked.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

i dont see why people despise sidewinder and strength of the world so much, they are 2 of my favourite a7x songs.. i also the drums to some bits of sidewinder

[TemperamentalGoat]

Summarizing my post

BATH - Awesome intro, loud and metal-ish.
BID - Boring
BIC - Generic
BC - Possibly their worst song? Oh well, it got them on TRL.
T&S - Heavy, headbangin', finally Matt's vocals don't blow
STD - Butchered by Shadows. Decent otherwise.
Sidewinder - Good for nothing but the closing solo. Bad vocals.
TWE - INSANE guitar soloing, very atmospheric bridge with an orchestra.
SOTW - Beautiful western intro, brings images to your head as you listen. Great solo, great close and great use of multiple instruments.
Betrayed - Catchy, though a weak point at the end.
MIA - Very good, more guitarwork, fantastic closing acoustic bit.

In my opinion, the reason most of you guys hate the last half is because you listened to the first half and the album started to repeat itself or sound the same. I just skip the first four songs and go from there... or start with The Wicked End. The quality gems and experimentation are clearly towards the end =\

[i am the robots]

I'm pretty sure i never want to hear the last half of City Of Evil ever again :\

I've started REALLY hating it, and liking WTF alot more.

Same here man.

and to the dude who said Radiant Eclipse is average, that's false.

[Mikesn]

I don't really like older A7X. Not my thing. Waking the Fallen was okay at first. It has some good points though (Chapter Four).


I love the new direction they took with City of Evil. I'm looking forward to their next album.

[i am the robots]

Chapter Four is like the worst song on Waking The Fallen...

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

true, it is very pathetic. i hate the intro, it sounds like a big mess

[Mikesn]

Well Chapter Four was the song that got me into Avenged Sevenfold, so that could be a reason why I prefer it to the rest of the album, which I can't stand at all anymore.

[Drunken Viking]

I like that song, the dual harmony is pretty cool in the pre-verse, along with the solo. I also don't see why everyone hates Radiant Eclipse, the chorus and outro are amazing, the intro isn't to bad but it does drag on.

[MRDuCran]

Chapter Four is what brought me to them too, I love it. I have only heard a few other tracks of WtF though.

[Shadius]

Chapter Four is one of the best songs on WTF. The singing is some of Shadow's best, and the guitar harmonies are cool.

My favourite songs on WTF are:

And All Things Will End
Chapter 4
I won't see you tonight (Part I)
Remenissions
Clairvoyant Disease

Ever so roughly in that order, they're definately the standout tracks, anyway. They have the best mix of melody and harsh edge.

Edit: Oh, I missed out Unholy Confessions, that's up there too, being the single, the riff is actually damn cool, and the singing is very catchy.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

i dont think radiant eclipse is too bad, not the best either though.. the chorus to chapter 4 is the only bit i like, the rest is kind of crappy (imo)

[Concubine]

Second Heartbeat & Clairvoyant Disease are my favourite songs of WTF...^^

[AA-12]

Chapter Four is like the worst song on Waking The Fallen...
I disagree. It's my favorite. The solo is amazing also.

[Shadius]

You know, most songs on WTF actually have their great moments, even if parts of songs might annoy me. It is a really good album, I can see why people into heavier music would appreciate some parts, and people who like more melody would appreciate others.

[Lartsa]

Second Heartbeat & Clairvoyant Disease are my favourite songs of WTF...^^

I was hooked on Clairvoyant for awhile; blame it on the lyrics:

Stuck alone, inside your head, better off dead...

The shred-solo Syn does at the end of SH is pretty awesome.

[i am the robots]

I disagree. It's my favorite. The solo is amazing also.

It's such a short solo though.

[I'm Charming]

I disagree. It's my favorite. The solo is amazing also.


Lately , I agree with everything you say. lol Cheers!

[i am the robots]

That makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[Drunken Viking]

He did quote someone else.

[i am the robots]

Very good.

[Drunken Viking]

Then whyd you say it made you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

[Arucard]

It's such a short solo though.

I would prefer to call it a riff, its not really a solo, more of an interlude.

[Mikesn]

You know, most songs on WTF actually have their great moments, even if parts of songs might annoy me. It is a really good album, I can see why people into heavier music would appreciate some parts, and people who like more melody would appreciate others.
Agreed, somewhat.

Unholy Confessions - Intro and Re-Intro part half way through
Chapter Four - All of it
Remenissions - All of it
Desecrate Through Reverance - The part at the end with the clean vocals
Eternal Rest - Solo at the beginning
I Won't See You Tonight Pt 1 - That little piano build up part in the middle.
(Or something like that)
Clairvoyant Disease - Guitar Solo

Yeah, something like that. I haven't listened to it for a long time. So yeah, I've forgotten quite a bit.

[AA-12]

Lately , I agree with everything you say. lol Cheers!
Haha, :chug:

[SimonCore]

I like that song, the dual harmony is pretty cool in the pre-verse, along with the solo. I also don't see why everyone hates Radiant Eclipse, the chorus and outro are amazing, the intro isn't to bad but it does drag on.

I don't hate it by any means. But it's not up to standard of the other songs on that album. And the intro really does get annoying.

[i am the robots]

Then whyd you say it made you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

because i was being a dick.

and Joe is right, that isn't a solo in Chapter Four and it's hardly anything impressive.

[Seraphim]

What kind of bass does Johnny Christ use?

[i am the robots]

http://www.google.com/ is a good source.

I've heard before that I Won't See You Tonight is about a friend of theirs, but recently I heard it was their old bassist... confirm? and what was his name?

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Their old bassists were Justin Sane and Dameon Ash. I don't know anything about either one.

[MRDuCran]

I did a lil' 2 track recording of Chapter Four, check it out:

http://download.yousendit.com/E4915B443844FA07

[i am the robots]

Their old bassists were Justin Sane and Dameon Ash. I don't know anything about either one.

Who was the one who played on their demo stuff?

[I'm Charming]

I did a lil' 2 track recording of Chapter Four, check it out:

http://download.yousendit.com/E4915B443844FA07


Yo Mitch. You gotta post that stuff in the CoB thread for the regs!

[Mr_Bounce]

I like CoE over the previous albums, not because I "don't like harder music", but because it has kick-*** riffs, blazing dual-guitar harmonies, perfect drumming and decent vocal melodies (minus Shadow's raspy vocals however.. not so much a fan) reminiscient of power metal; which I'm sure we've all heard reviewers compare it to. Of course, to be honest, it literally sounds nothing like power metal :D

[Rats!]

m. shadows voice sounds like its gonna blow out ever 10 seconds
I think when they recorded this album, he hadn't trained his voice enough after having the surgery. When they play live, his voice sounds much stronger and fuller.

[Rats!]

Most people who don't like Sidewinder probably haven't listened to it enough, so they haven't heard all the nuances in the song. I think the leads throughout the song are amazing, and it's one of his best vocal performances on the album.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Who was the one who played on their demo stuff?
I know that Justin Sane played bass on Sounding The Seventh Trumpet, although Dameon Ash is listed as a member of the band in the booklet. It's confusing. It's explained better in my review for STST on Sputnik.

As for their demo stuff, I don't know. I only have their full-lengths.

[Drunken Viking]

I just saw Sevenfold last night, they blew the roof off. The setlist was a lot different from what I expected, they played
Beast and the Harlot
Burn it Down
Chapter Four
Unholy Confessions
Eternal Rest
Seize the Day (Zacky V. sang the intro, he did pretty good)
Blinded in Chains
Bat Country
Trashed and Scattered

They put on a great performance, Shadows has got to be one of the greatest frontmen alive, he had the crowd hipnotized. Coheed were there to, they were horrible. They did like a 20 minute "jam" that noone in the audience liked, and the keyboard was inaudible the entire time.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

How did Eternal Rest sound?

[Drunken Viking]

Really good, Shaodws obviously didn't scream but he still did a great job, Syn and Zacky both played their parts perfect, and The Rev was going crazy, flipping sticks and whatnot.+

[I'm Charming]

Really good, Shaodws obviously didn't scream but he still did a great job, Syn and Zacky both played their parts perfect, and The Rev was going crazy, flipping sticks and whatnot.+


How was the intro solo to it?

[Drunken Viking]

Great, it sounded better then on record, Synyster hit all the squeels and his alternate picking was great. He even added some soloing after Shadows started screaming.

[I'm Charming]

Great, it sounded better then on record, Synyster hit all the squeels and his alternate picking was great. He even added some soloing after Shadows started screaming.


Nice. How close were you to the stage?

[Drunken Viking]

I was on the far right side of the stage, maybe 15 feet away from him when he played it.

[I'm Charming]

I was on the far right side of the stage, maybe 15 feet away from him when he played it.


Not to bad.

I was right up front at my CoB show. I shoved my way up there though. It ruled.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

I like this band.

I can play Unholy Confessions.

[I'm Charming]

I like this band.

I can play Unholy Confessions.


How fun & hard is that to play?

[Shadius]

Very fun, fairly easy, IMO. I'm only talking about the intro riff and a few chords I learned in the song though, but I can't imagine the rest will be much more challenging.

Edit: We're talking guitar, right?

[I'm Charming]

Very fun, fairly easy, IMO. I'm only talking about the intro riff and a few chords I learned in the song though, but I can't imagine the rest will be much more challenging.

Edit: We're talking guitar, right?

Correct. Yeah the intro is easy. I might it a try once my fingers heal up.

[Happy]

UC is very easy to play on guitar.
I'd imagine it's difficult on drums.

[Drunken Viking]

Not really, it's pretty much a blast beat with the crash cymbal for the most part.

[Happy]

Meh I wouldn't know. I don't play drums much and it sounds difficult to me :p

[Mantronic]

Here’s something that may breathe new life into this thread… Something for you guys to fight over.

I graduated high school in the late 80s, when heavy metal was a religion. KISS, Maiden, GnR, Ozzy, Motley Crue, WASP, Priest, Dio, Metallica, Yngwie, Tesla. I even liked the poppier stuff: Autograph, Poison, Winger, Firehouse. Ahhhh, those were the days. And then the friggin’ grunge movement killed all the fun. So for the past ten years or so, I haven’t found anything I liked. Just been listening to my (rather extensive) collection. And then I see Avenged Sevenfold. Holy crap!!! IS METAL BACK?!?! These guys are awesome!! The Rev is an INSANE drummer. Fantastic! And the guitar solo on Bat Country is one of the best I’ve heard. And it was just a preview to the incredible guitar work on CoE. I’ve listened to this CD like 30 times in a row. I can’t get enough!

I wanted knowledgeable opinions, so I came to the musicians. So tell me… What’s out there now that is like this? Not screaming. I like when Shadows “screams” on CoE. Just once in a while. That’s good stuff. But I don’t want every lyric screamed. And I figured they would tour with somebody like them, so I checked out the videos for Coheed and Cambria and I have one question… WHAT the **** was THAT?!?!?! lol – omg! They’re not bad. But wtf???? That monster of a man with the haystack hair and THAT VOICE!!! lmao. Wow. But I don’t want to hear singing about Hobbits as I think I read in here.

And what the hell is “emocore”?? I just want heavy metal. I want more of City of Evil. I want FUN music. Music that makes me drive fast. Music that makes me stop and bang my head. With searing guitars and head pounding drums. And I like image. I like theatrics. I like fire, and hot chicks, and make-up, and swagger.

And just out of curiosity, who’s the guitarist with the brains in this outfit? Zacky or Synyster? When Whitesnake had Vai, the other guitarist was just “the other guitarist.” Maiden? (Ok, bad example, cause everybody just kinda took a backseat to Steve Harris. Wow. NOT a standard bassist, was he.) Who plays the ending of Sidewinder? Who is that ripping it up at the end of MIA? Awesome stuff.

I could write a LOT more. But I think you get the idea. Is heavy metal back, and what is it’s name? Thanks for any help getting back into the metal scene. Start your arguing!

[Drunken Viking]

Zacky and Synyster both play lead, they both do one half of all the harmonies. Synysters dad plays the ending of Sidewinder. And sadly their aren't to many other bands like them. Try the recomenation thread if you want better advice.

[Mantronic]

I knew the Viking would come through with something! You mean BOTH guitarists are THAT good?? And his dad played that WHOLE ending?? That's kinda cool - in a weird way. I read his web-page. Thanks for the info.

[Drunken Viking]

Haha thanks, Synyster's dad played all of the acoustic guitars on the album. Live though Synyster plays all the leads and Zacky harmonizes when needed.

[Mantronic]

I love the right-handed/left-handed guitarist thing. Bet they look great playing live. Although I can't see how it can sound that great in person what with Shadows singing over himself on the CD so much.

Hey -- Why did I read so much about Dream Theater in this thread? (ok, it was just a few times, but it surprised me to see them mentioned here.) Do they have a special bond with A7X or something?

[Drunken Viking]

Not that I know of, just that all the members in Sevenfold really like them, and they have cited them as influences a lot.

It sounds pretty damn good in person actually, the guitar harmonies sound great and the drums and bass make up a sufficient rhythm section during them, and Shadows actually sounds great, Zacky and Synyster do most the harmonies with him.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Damn. I just seeked out a video of Eternal Rest live after Shadows' surgery. The Rev is now my hero. I think Shadows should learn drums and switch roles with The Rev. That's a hell of a scream for a drummer! And I thought the band as a whole was abandoning screaming. What happened to that?

EDIT: yes, both Syn and Zacky are that good. Zacky's not your everyday rhythm guitarist. He can hold his own without another guitarist also, as he proved on STST.

[Drunken Viking]

They did for the most part, and it's from the older record so that's why there was screaming.

[Crysiss]

I love the right-handed/left-handed guitarist thing. Bet they look great playing live. Although I can't see how it can sound that great in person what with Shadows singing over himself on the CD so much.

Hey -- Why did I read so much about Dream Theater in this thread? (ok, it was just a few times, but it surprised me to see them mentioned here.) Do they have a special bond with A7X or something?

I just noticed that in a schecter ad. I wouldnt be too surprised if there was GnR discussion in here as well.

[Mikesn]

Damn. I just seeked out a video of Eternal Rest live after Shadows' surgery. The Rev is now my hero. I think Shadows should learn drums and switch roles with The Rev. That's a hell of a scream for a drummer! And I thought the band as a whole was abandoning screaming. What happened to that?

The Rev and Synyster Gates have/had their own side project called Pinkly Smooth, and The Rev does/did the vocals there.

I'm not sure if it's any good, but it's there. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkly_Smooth

[Mr_Bounce]

DT and especially John Petrucci seem to be a big influence to a lot of newer guitar-oriented bands, like Trivium for another.

[Mantronic]

Just watched the Unholy Confessions vid on Yahoo Music. Not THAT much screaming. But the guitar wasn't CLOSE to being as good as ANYthing they did on CoE. And just an aside here, guys... I know that in the grand scheme of music, this isn't important... But when I went to a Whitesnake or KISS or Motley Crue concert, the women there were enough to make your eyes bleed. We're talkin' models. The hottest women you've ever had the pleasure of seeing up close. As far as the eye could see. The Unholy Confessions vid? Ummmm, not so much. Yeah, shallow. Ok. But I'm just saying.

Checked out a Trivium vid too. That kind of screaming... Yeah... It all sounds the same. The music might be good, but I can't get past the vocals. Do you know where I can hear more of the older A7X stuff? Cause I don't think Shadows is your average screamer. (I hope not. Because I REALLY want to like their pre-CoE stuff.)

[SimonCore]

I just saw Sevenfold last night, they blew the roof off. The setlist was a lot different from what I expected, they played
Beast and the Harlot
Burn it Down
Chapter Four
Unholy Confessions
Eternal Rest
Seize the Day (Zacky V. sang the intro, he did pretty good)
Blinded in Chains
Bat Country
Trashed and Scattered

They put on a great performance, Shadows has got to be one of the greatest frontmen alive, he had the crowd hipnotized. Coheed were there to, they were horrible. They did like a 20 minute "jam" that noone in the audience liked, and the keyboard was inaudible the entire time.

:angry: Dammit nothing off STST. That was pretty much the same as when i saw them though apart from IWSYTP1 instead of Sieze the day. Was that the order they played it in?

[Tillius]

What I would like to see is a mixture between WTF and CoE.

You know, like, the incredible guitar works off of CoE, mixed with the same vocal styles off of WTF.
That would be great if that's how their new CD was.
But it won't be.:(

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Do you know where I can hear more of the older A7X stuff? Cause I don't think Shadows is your average screamer. (I hope not. Because I REALLY want to like their pre-CoE stuff.)
http://www.purevolume.com/avengedsevenfold

:thumb:

[Get Fighted]

OmgZ! WhyS CaNT HE ScEAm AnyMOre TheRE NoT HxCX No MOre!1!!

[Mantronic]

Thanks for the link. Guess I can't go back to their early stuff. The screaming. :( But damn I love their sound... The music. Eternal Rest, Chapter Four. Take out the vocal track and I'm all over it.

BUT, I'm one of the people that love the high-pitched shrieks in hair metal. :) So I guess there's no accounting for taste, huh?

[i am the robots]

Well the high pitched singing in hair metal is just really high clean singing, a truely metal scream is MUCH harsher.

[SimonCore]

Anyone have any idea what the next album's gonna be like?

[guitrguy]

Well the high pitched singing in hair metal is just really high clean singing, a truely metal scream is MUCH harsher.
Falsetto.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Thanks for the link. Guess I can't go back to their early stuff. The screaming. :( But damn I love their sound... The music. Eternal Rest, Chapter Four. Take out the vocal track and I'm all over it.


I found that in songs like Chapter Four the screams grew on me after a while.

[i am the robots]

Falsetto.

yes, that's the term!

[Drunken Viking]

:angry: Dammit nothing off STST. That was pretty much the same as when i saw them though apart from IWSYTP1 instead of Sieze the day. Was that the order they played it in?
About 90% of STST trumpet is screaming, and not a lot of fans know the song, and that wasn't the order, it was closer to this.

Beast and the Harlot
Unholy Confessions
Burn it Down
Chapter Four
Blinded in Chains
Eternal Rest
Seize the Day
Trashed and Scattered
Bat Country

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Take out the vocal track and I'm all over it.
That's exactly how I feel about City of Evil.

BUT, I'm one of the people that love the high-pitched shrieks in hair metal. :) So I guess there's no accounting for taste, huh?
Ha, I guess not. But I enjoy the vocal stylings of Korn's Jonathan Davis, so I suppose I don't necessarily possess "good taste" either. :p

[i am the robots]

That's exactly how I feel about City of Evil.

Haha, I couldn't agree more.

Ha, I guess not. But I enjoy the vocal stylings of Korn's Jonathan Davis, so I suppose I don't necessarily possess "good taste" either. :p

Jon Davis has a great voice, he just started doing too much strangled singing from Follow the Leader forward.

[AA-12]

Bah, if City of Evil has no vocals, i'd hate it. He makes the band.

[i am the robots]

He most definately does not.

[Drunken Viking]

I think that any album would sound really empty without singing, I mean any that was meant for singing. Think of how boring it would listening to the rhythm parts of any song without vocals, it would a lot more repetitive a lot quicker. I think that you guys mean you'd prefer it with a different vocalist, not without one.

[Tillius]

The only time I have a problem with his vocals is in the chorus of Strength of the World.

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah me too, when he does that last note, it really makes me cringe.

[Mantronic]

I think that any album would sound really empty without singing, I mean any that was meant for singing. Think of how boring it would listening to the rhythm parts of any song without vocals, it would a lot more repetitive a lot quicker. I think that you guys mean you'd prefer it with a different vocalist, not without one.


I'm not saying I want their older stuff with NO vocals. (Although it's good without vocals if it's Vai, Satriani, or MacAlpine. Not repetitive when the guitar is the vocals.) I'm just saying from what I heard on WTF, the instruments were great, but his screaming was ruining it for me. HOWEVER, I went out and bought WTF today. Maybe it will grow on me. I hope so. Cause I LOVE CoE. And I want MORE Avenged! With Shadows current vocals.

[i am the robots]

I prefer all forms of his singing from old albums... especially his clean vocals on Waking The Fallen, he was just much better back then.

[Drunken Viking]

I was jsut making the point that if CoE had no singing (same with WTF) that it would be horrid, some vocals are better then no vocals in most cases, and this is one of them.

[Mantronic]

Yeah, ok. I wasn't arguing. Just trying to clarify my point.

I just started listening to WTF now. Can't wait to hear why IWSYT1 gets you guys all wet. :)

[Mantronic]

I can't believe how MUCH A7X has grown musically from WTF. CoE is just so incredible. And listening to WTF just underscores how good they are now.

Also bought the newest Coheed and Cambria today. Cause I figured if they're touring together, there's gotta be some similarities in musical styles. It's ok, I guess. I like Welcome Home, The Suffering, and Ten Speed (where he screams at the end. ha ha) But I have one question...

What's the over/under on fights breaking out at this concert? Can I bet on this somewhere?? I'd also like to bet on the winner... Cause I can just see some C&C fan screaming "Hobbits RULE" and a A7X fan turning around and just kicking the living CRAP out of him!! Whose bright idea was it to put these two bands together? Isn't this a little like touring Britney with Pantera?? Ok, that's a little much, but you get my point?

Anybody been at this concert and seen the fighting I expect? Just curious.

[Happy]

There's been fighting on the tour?
I wouldn't expect that, the pairing of those two isn't bad, I mean 3 inches of Blood supported the Darkness.

[Mantronic]

Ahhh, The Darkness. Now THERE'S the falsetto I love!

[I'm Charming]

Ahhh, The Darkness. Now THERE'S the falsetto I love!

That guys a fag and a total ear sore.

[Mantronic]

Maybe, but I kinda like it. :D

[I'm Charming]

Maybe, but I kinda like it. :D


It's some of the most uninspired music I've ever heard.

[Mantronic]

So I take it you're not a fan of any of the 80s/90s hair metal? Cause I've been saying A7X would fit in perfectly back then. Just need Shadows to scream in a falsetto. hmmm.

[Mantronic]

Ohhhhh, wait!!! I got it!! Replace Shadows with a falsetto singer and you've got my BEST BAND EVER!!!! :D

[I'm Charming]

Ohhhhh, wait!!! I got it!! Replace Shadows with a falsetto singer and you've got my BEST BAND EVER!!!! :D


no. :confused: :angry:

Shadows is great. They don't need a falsetto singer instead of him.

btw. Why do you get off so hard to falsetto vocalists?

[Mantronic]

lol - sorry. I grew up with the hair metal bands. LOVE IT!!! (Ever hear Slaughter or Firehouse?) Just found A7X. First band I've found in a decade that was worth listening to. (Post-surgery.) Just an awesome band. EVERY song on the CD is great. You don't find that happening much anymore. Seriously, I wouldn't change a thing. They are so friggin great on CoE!!

btw yourself -- Any suggestions for bands that have the current A7X sound? No screaming.

[Arucard]

Well, i would get pissed off if i was Avenged Sevenfold because C+C suck so much dick.

And also because people label them prog when they aren't.

[nowitzki]

There's been fighting on the tour?
I wouldn't expect that, the pairing of those two isn't bad, I mean 3 inches of Blood supported the Darkness.
I was there, it was hilarious.

[nowitzki]

Does anyone notice similarities betwee CoE A7X and X-Japan's The Art Of Life?

[Happy]

I've never heard X-Japan. I'll look them up.

[nowitzki]

It is very hard to get hold of their music over here, but I recommend you try and get hold of The Art of Life, it is a 29 minute epic, truely breathtaking. I can send it over AIM if you want.

[Shadius]

Well, i would get pissed off if i was Avenged Sevenfold because C+C suck so much dick.

And also because people label them prog when they aren't.

C&C do have some good songs, though the new album was a little too happy sounding poppy for my tastes overall.

And they most defiantely ARE Prog. They have some very Prog tendancies; listen to In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth, the title track, what's not prog about that? Or the three part track on the same album.

[Happy]

It is very hard to get hold of their music over here, but I recommend you try and get hold of The Art of Life, it is a 29 minute epic, truely breathtaking. I can send it over AIM if you want.
Okay that'd be cool. I'm at school right now so I can't get on AIM.

I'll be on later, Uncle Jev.

[SimonCore]

29 minute epic? That's an album right?

[Arucard]

I seriously hate the way that people think that tracks that have many different parts = prog.

They are pop-punk, and very crappy pop-punk at that.

[nowitzki]

29 minute epic? That's an album right?
It was a 1 track album I think.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Anybody been at this concert and seen the fighting I expect?

Nah A7X concerts are over half scene kids with eye liner and so on.

BDW I don't really see how A7X are so 'hair metal', I mean I can see why hair metal fans would like the new stuff. Meh...

[Drone]

They're not hair metal. The influences are there, but they are not even close.

[MRDuCran]

Usually I fukkin hate arguments about genres, but just a quick question, what are A7X actually classed as?? Punk metal?

[Huber]

Metal. Not much anything punk about them.

[nowitzki]

I supppose you could call STST punk-metal, but yeah its easiest just to call them metal otherwise.

[SimonCore]

Metal. Not much anything punk about them.

STST has some serious punk tracks on it, 'thick and thin' and on some of the other tracks they have the occasioinal punk style riff (The art of subconcious illusion, an epic of time wasted).

[circlethedrain]

I really wouldn't call them metal comfortably, especially now.


I call them Hard Rock.

[MRDuCran]

Well stuff like Bat Country has punk it in, just straight forward drop D stuff, clean vocals etc etc. It's feinately different to what I usually listen to that's for sure.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

How fun & hard is that to play?

VERY fun, and reasonably hard, but i'm not great so i dunno.

[MRDuCran]

Probably 'cause you spend too much time on here man, that song is easy.

[Drunken Viking]

About the genre thing, this is what I think of A7X, STST was metalcore, WTF was about half metalcore half regular metal, and CoE is hard to classify, it's progressive but borders on Power Metal, I've heard the phraise progressive power metal, but I don't know if that'd fit.

[Mantronic]

City Of Evil is just Heavy Metal! That's why I like it so damn much. That's why I'm here. I heard heay metal, and came sniffing around looking for more like it. (Now I find out it's so rare, you guys don't even know what to call it.) :)

It's just heavy metal. Just like Judas Priest was. And Maiden. And Ozzy. And Guns n Roses. Metallica. Motley Crue. WASP. And on and on. A little heavier than some. Not as heavy as some. But definitely Heavy Metal. No need to sub-classify it further. It ROCKS! 'Nuff said.

[Crysiss]

I hate genre fights. So Pointless

[Drunken Viking]

I actually liike genres, it helps me keep my music in order and if I'm recomending someone an artist, then I go into detail. Like instead of saying hey check out so and so they a great metal band, I could say check out so and so they are a really good Power Metal band. Thus being more descriptive and giving them a better idea of the artist.

[Insipid2000]

A7X are a rare genre cause you dont here much other bands like them these days.

[I'm Charming]

I hate genre fights. So Pointless


^^^ He's a smart cookie. ^^^Listen to him.

[DKMode]

ya theyre def just straight up metal. i wouldnt call it power metal because when i think of that i think of way less melody. its a little prog-ish, but not in the sense that the music is progressive but its easy to tell that certain members (the rev) were influenced by members of prog bands (mike portnoy). its almost like thrash mixed with NWOBHM mixed with a little GnR. that would be my best call. but as far as classification goes its pretty much just heavy metal. it really is rare to find a straight up hard rock/metal band as good and melodic as A7X is so they better keep at it.

[I'm Charming]

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All of you shut the hell up. Genre fights are lame. Just shut the **** up.

[Britton]

So my buddy told me that A7X put on a great show last tuesday. I missed them but he said they look like they are ready to dominate the next decade of music. Which is good to hear.

I hope they join the Ozzfest tour (there have been rumors) that would mean I get to see them play ;)

[Insipid2000]

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All of you shut the hell up. Genre fights are lame. Just shut the **** up.

OK.

[bleeding hearts/no tears]

avenged sevenfold was metalcore, now they're just metal in general.

[SimonCore]

I can't wait to see them at Download. I hope they do a set with more of there older heavier songs to please the metalhead crowd more:)

[Happy]

I'm looking more forward to the newer stuff. With Second Heartbeat included!

[SimonCore]

^ have you seen them in the old school days?

[Happy]

I've seen videos.

[nowitzki]

Yeah we better get Second Heartbeat, I was pissed about them not playing that the last time they were here.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

second heartbeat is a kick *** song. I'm not seeing them :( They were near where I live just a few weeks ago so doubt they will be back in a while.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Guys, you should be proud of me. I'm trying to get into City of Evil once again. :amaze: I've tried in the past and failed, but I really want to like it. Hopefully Shadows' new, horrid vocals will grow on me. :thumb:

[Drunken Viking]

Guys about Second Heartbeat, they played that on their last tour so they are mixing it up, the only thing that'll stay constant are the singles, they are trying to work in all the songs off of WTF and CoE.

[Mantronic]

Guys, you should be proud of me. I'm trying to get into City of Evil once again. :amaze: I've tried in the past and failed, but I really want to like it. Hopefully Shadows' new, horrid vocals will grow on me. :thumb:

lol - no, no, no my penguin friend... You've got it all wrong. See, Shadow's vocals WERE horrid. But NOW they're better!! :) He sounds awesome on City of Evil.

But you and I are in the same boat. As I am force-feeding myself WTF. I'm getting there. But I can't stand the screaming. I'll keep forcing it. You too.

[Mr_Bounce]

IMO it wasn't even good screaming. I guess I'm not a fan of hardcore-style screaming, much prefer death grunting.

[nowitzki]

Guys about Second Heartbeat, they played that on their last tour so they are mixing it up, the only thing that'll stay constant are the singles, they are trying to work in all the songs off of WTF and CoE.
Yeah, but they cancelled their previous UK tour (except for one London date).

[Happy]

Heads will roll if there's no Second Heartbeat.

[MRDuCran]

I want them to play I Won't See You Tonight pt 2 but I know they won't.
I haen't actually heard Second Heartbeat yet, I might download a fukk load of their stuff later, I've only really heard about 6 ish.

I also think the screams on WtF are awesome, the singing is awesome and the new stuff, i.e Bat Country is awesome.

[Happy]

Download Second Heartbeat. You won't be disappointed.

[NymphetamineX]

Second Heartbeat is probably their best song, and is probably the most representative of their older sound except for the slow stuff like IWSYT part 1. Desecrate Through Reverence and Remenissions are amazing too, and required listening for people looking to get into Avenged.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Probably 'cause you spend too much time on here man, that song is easy.

Probably not faggot.

Maybe because i'm not a crazy guitar wielding maniac like you.

I can play it comfortably, it took some time to learn well.

[i am the robots]

I want them to play I Won't See You Tonight pt 2 but I know they won't.
I haen't actually heard Second Heartbeat yet, I might download a fukk load of their stuff later, I've only really heard about 6 ish.

I also think the screams on WtF are awesome, the singing is awesome and the new stuff, i.e Bat Country is awesome.

Old songs I suggest:

off of Sounding The Seventh Trumpet:
Turn The Other Way
The Art Of Subconcious Illusion
Lips Of Deceit
We Come Out At Night
An Epic Of Time Wasted
Shattered By Broken Dreams
Thick And Thin

off of Waking The Fallen:
Unholy Confessions
Reminissions
Desecrate Through Reverence
Eternal Rest
Second Heartbeat
Radiant Eclipse
I Won't See You Tonight (both parts)
And All Things Will End

[Drone]

No Chapter Four???? BLASPHEMY! :mad: :p

I'm just kidding. I know you don't like it, but it is my personal favorite.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Turn the other way and warmness on the soul are my fave from that album.

[i am the robots]

Haha, yeah, I'm like the biggest anti-Chapter Four guy there is :p.

It's got good parts that would work in a better song, but overall I can't stomach the entire song.

[SimonCore]

Chapter song is an amazing song. The chorus is so powerful.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

i agree but the rest of the song isnt too great imo

[SimonCore]

I think all of the song is really good. It's also a good opener live.

[MRDuCran]

I frikken love Chapter Four, so much that it made me record most of it.

[SimonCore]

My band covers Chapter four........and unholly confessions and second heartbeat.

[MRDuCran]

Old songs I suggest:

off of Sounding The Seventh Trumpet:
Turn The Other Way
The Art Of Subconcious Illusion
Lips Of Deceit
We Come Out At Night
An Epic Of Time Wasted
Shattered By Broken Dreams
Thick And Thin

off of Waking The Fallen:
Unholy Confessions
Reminissions
Desecrate Through Reverence
Eternal Rest
Second Heartbeat
Radiant Eclipse
I Won't See You Tonight (both parts)
And All Things Will End

lol isn't that pretty much the full track lists for both albums?

I have StST, my friend let me borrow it. It's ok, not what I was expecting since I heard most stuff off WtF first and I think they advanced a lot! between those two.
Being in this thread has made me open up Bearshare, I'll get downloading.

My band covers Chapter four........and unholly confessions and second heartbeat.

That's cool, me and my mates are gonna rock out to Unholy Confessions this Friday at college, they spend all day in the studio so I'm gonna go in with them, just gotta learn it all properly now.

[SimonCore]

Second heartbeat is the most fun too play.

[Roo_bass]

My band covers Chapter four........and unholly confessions and second heartbeat.
My band covers way too many A7X tracks, like Chapter Four, Second Heartbeat, Burn It Down, Unholy Confessions and I think we're going to do Beast and The Harlot as well. I want to do one of the older numbers like "Lips Of Deceit", you can't go wrong with a killer intro and a dominant bassline.

[deathscreamingsheep]

My other band did chapter four at a party. All the party requests were like Reel Big Fish and Coldplay and stuff so we reckoned a good dose of metal would scare them.

It was our best recieved song.

[i am the robots]

lol isn't that pretty much the full track lists for both albums?

I have StST, my friend let me borrow it. It's ok, not what I was expecting since I heard most stuff off WtF first and I think they advanced a lot! between those two.
Being in this thread has made me open up Bearshare, I'll get downloading.

I left off two Waking The Fallen songs, but I left off about half of STST.

With my band we don't really mean to, but at almost every practice we end up playing Unholy Confessions for no reason whatsoever.

[Tillius]

What's everybody's deal with Chapter 4?

I love that song.

[Mantronic]

Ok, so I've been saying all along that I don't like screaming. But I love CoE sooo much that I figure I'll give WTF a try. Forcing myself. I see the "making the video" videos. See the guys as people. Like them more. Keep listening to WTF... And all of a sudden, I'm really liking it! :)

So have I been hearing in here that STST is going to be ANOTHER step deeper into screaming?!?! Or is it just like WTF? If I had to FORCE myself to like WTF, (and now all of a sudden, I really DO like it), am I going to have to force STST down my throat? Or will it be an easier transition than CoE to WTF?

[Happy]

What's everybody's deal with Chapter 4?

I love that song.
Same here.

I guess STST is more like WTF than CoE.

[Shady Ultima]

Is Darkness Surrounding on STST? I have WTF but it's not on that, and that's probably my favourite song (before Bat Country) by them

[Mantronic]

"Bat Country" brought me onboard. After listening to the whole CoE CD, it's not even CLOSE to the best songs. But the guitar solo is still one of the best I've heard.

[nowitzki]

Ok, so I've been saying all along that I don't like screaming. But I love CoE sooo much that I figure I'll give WTF a try. Forcing myself. I see the "making the video" videos. See the guys as people. Like them more. Keep listening to WTF... And all of a sudden, I'm really liking it! :)

So have I been hearing in here that STST is going to be ANOTHER step deeper into screaming?!?! Or is it just like WTF? If I had to FORCE myself to like WTF, (and now all of a sudden, I really DO like it), am I going to have to force STST down my throat? Or will it be an easier transition than CoE to WTF?
Yeah it is a step further down that route. STST has a big hardcore influence and is a lot different to WTF. I personally think its great, but I know theres quite a few A7X fans who don't like it.

Is Darkness Surrounding on STST? I have WTF but it's not on that, and that's probably my favourite song (before Bat Country) by them
Yeah, awesome song.

[Tillius]

Okay, STST is NOTHING like WTF.

I mean, he has his moments where he has some clean singing, but it's mainly him screaming even deeper than he does in WTF. If you had to try to like WTF because of the screaming, then it is doubtful that you will enjoy STST.

[i am the robots]

"Bat Country" brought me onboard. After listening to the whole CoE CD, it's not even CLOSE to the best songs. But the guitar solo is still one of the best I've heard.

Ever heard Zombie Autopilot by Unearth or The Hive by In Flames?

[SimonCore]

Ok, so I've been saying all along that I don't like screaming. But I love CoE sooo much that I figure I'll give WTF a try. Forcing myself. I see the "making the video" videos. See the guys as people. Like them more. Keep listening to WTF... And all of a sudden, I'm really liking it! :)

So have I been hearing in here that STST is going to be ANOTHER step deeper into screaming?!?! Or is it just like WTF? If I had to FORCE myself to like WTF, (and now all of a sudden, I really DO like it), am I going to have to force STST down my throat? Or will it be an easier transition than CoE to WTF?

I can't see you liking STST. It took me even a few tries to get into it, but once you get used to it, you see it really is very good album. So you'll definetly have to force feed it to yourself.

[i am the robots]

I'm with SimonCore on this, a friend of mine said STST was HORRIBLE the first time I showed him it, and he loves Waking The Fallen, but after listening to it all the way through like 4 times he agrees now.

[Mantronic]

Ever heard Zombie Autopilot by Unearth or The Hive by In Flames?

No, why? (Please tell me those have a City Of Evil sound.)

[i am the robots]

Ummm, definately not a City of Evil sound, but the guitarwork throughout both songs is masterful, especially the solos.

Umm, they're both kinda along the lines of Waking the Fallen era A7X, but much heavier, and more gutteral lower end vocals.