Avenged Sevenfold

[SimonCore]

Oh the irony, you realize that a swatstika doesn't always mean nazi correct?

Please explain that to me?

[cgecko1219]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism

[SimonCore]

^^ that's not really the point though. The vast majority of people relate that to Nazi's, and people bearing that symbol as seen as neo-nazi's or rasicts.

[Drunken Viking]

Yes, but most of those people take the time to find out if those people are actually Neo-Nazi's, or if they aren't.

[SimonCore]

Anyway enough about Nazis. Any knews on Avenged?

[Huber]

Awwwwwww, I loooose!



That's more like it.

Just kidding, I couldn't help myself.

[Drunken Viking]

Only that they are going to tour till February.

Anyone else have the Beast and Harlot EP (DVD single)? I think it's really dumb how the names are listed, I couldn't bother trying to find mine it that shitstorm of a mess.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Sevenfold are now officially playing at Download. How I wish I was going now: Dredg, Sevenfold, Dragonforce, 'Talllica....

[SimonCore]

Sevenfold are now officially playing at Download. How I wish I was going now: Dredg, Sevenfold, Dragonforce, 'Talllica....

What day? For the love of god what day!!!

[i am the robots]

Sevenfold are now officially playing at Download. How I wish I was going now: Dredg, Sevenfold, Dragonforce, 'Talllica....

That the Brittish or American line-up?

[deathscreamingsheep]

That the Brittish or American line-up?

America have download??

I can't remember what date but it's on their myspace news thingy.

[SimonCore]

Yes they're on saturday! My god, Trivium, Sevenfold and'Tallica in one day...i think I just soiled myself.........

[Six Foot Revolver]

That the Brittish or American line-up?
British.

America have download??

I can't remember what date but it's on their myspace news thingy.
Yeah they do.

Yes they're on saturday! My god, Trivium, Sevenfold and'Tallica in one day...i think I just soiled myself.........
Sevenfold are the only good band there.

[SimonCore]

^I don't agree, but meh it's your choice. I don't know why though.

[Drunken Viking]

I don't reallly like Tallica, Dredg or Dragonforce either, Metallica because of Hetfields voice, Lars drumming and I hate the bassplaying. I haven't really heard Dredg cept for a few songs, and I don't like Dragonforce*that much because it's jsut really fast annoying music, good for 1 minute then it gets old.

[Tillius]

This is gay.

Avenged Sevenfold is teaming up with Metallica(meh) and Guns N Roses for a European tour. They're not doing this in America. What kinda crap is this?

[SimonCore]

This is gay.

Avenged Sevenfold is teaming up with Metallica(meh) and Guns N Roses for a European tour. They're not doing this in America. What kinda crap is this?

Yeah but eventually you'll end up being the only country where they all do an actual tour together. They're just doing the festivals elsewhere.

[MRDuCran]

Any idea as to what songs these guys will play at Download this year?

[Happy]

I think they'll play a normal/slighty shorter setlist like the ones they've been playing on tour.

[MRDuCran]

Well I've only just got into them this week so I'm not even sure what they do.

So far, my fav songs are:
Chapter Four
I Won't See the Light Tonight part 2
Unholy Confessions
Bat Country

As soon as I heard IWSTLT pt2 last Tuesday, I got home, learnt it and recorded a bit of it, they really aren't what I expected, I always thought A7x we're ghey emos playing acoustic sh!t, but NO, it's really good, I never gave them a chance...:upset:

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

Well I've only just got into them this week so I'm not even sure what they do.

So far, my fav songs are:
Chapter Four
I Won't See the Light Tonight part 2
Unholy Confessions
Bat Country

As soon as I heard IWSTLT pt2 last Tuesday, I got home, learnt it and recorded a bit of it, they really aren't what I expected, I always thought A7x we're ghey emos playing acoustic sh!t, but NO, it's really good, I never gave them a chance...:upset:
You're retarded. There is no such thing as an emo.

[SimonCore]

I predict their set will be (at Donnington) :

1.Chapter Four
2.Beast and the Harlot
3.Trashed and Scattered
4.Burn it down
5.IWSYTP1
6.Strength of the World
7.Second Heartbeat
8.Unholly Confessions
9.Bat Country

I know they haven't been doing Second heartbeat but I reckon they'll wanna do it in front of thousands of people though. As it is their best song.

[Lartsa]

Well I've only just got into them this week so I'm not even sure what they do.

So far, my fav songs are:
Chapter Four
I Won't See the Light Tonight part 2
Unholy Confessions
Bat Country

As soon as I heard IWSTLT pt2 last Tuesday, I got home, learnt it and recorded a bit of it, they really aren't what I expected, I always thought A7x we're ghey emos playing acoustic sh!t, but NO, it's really good, I never gave them a chance...:upset:

Sorry man, lol
It's "I Won't See You Tonight Part 2"

[MRDuCran]

Ofck, maybe I was thinking of Yngwie or something, thanks!

[SimonCore]

Ofck, maybe I was thinking of Yngwie or something, thanks!

lol. so your knew to A7X eh? What albums have heard?

[MRDuCran]

Yeah I'm new, I only got into them a week ago.
I haven't heard any albums, just random songs on my mates mp3 player, but all the songs I heard were off the Waking the Fallen album so I might get it.
I love Bat Country of their new album too.

It's frightening how much I like some of these songs though, I never listened to them before last week because I *thought* they were sh!t, emos, that played acoustics or something or whined about nothing, damn I was so wrong! (as I explained in post 3024)

I've been wanting to find a new band for ages, I've been addicted to Bodom and I think this the band!



You're retarded. There is no such thing as an emo.
Heh, irony?
And I think you'll find there is.

[I'm Charming]

Mitch,

Get City Of Evil. It's filled with great leads and solos.

[SimonCore]

WAKING THE FALLEN. My favourite album ever, I will never get bored of it! COE was pretty amazing but i'm so bored of most of the songs now and I've been into WTF for ages, way before CoE.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Heh that's the opposite to me. I get really bored of Waking the Fallen but I've yet to move the City of Evil songs from my playlist since the albums release.

[2muchket!]

Can't stop listening to Beast and The Harlot such a great song :).

[i am the robots]

WAKING THE FALLEN. My favourite album ever, I will never get bored of it! COE was pretty amazing but i'm so bored of most of the songs now and I've been into WTF for ages, way before CoE.

It's a damn good album. WTF > STST > COE

[deathscreamingsheep]

Pfft COE>STST>WTF

[MRDuCran]

lol "WTF", sounds funny.

But as I said, most of the songs I've heard are off WTF and I love em all so I'll probably get that first because I know i'll like it, then look into COE. My friend let me borrow STST today so I'll give that a listen too.

[I'm Charming]

STST is utter crap. I hate it.

[AA-12]

STST is utter crap. I hate it.
Same. There are a few cool riffs, but that's it.

[Drunken Viking]

I love STST, it's not as good as the others but I still like it all the same.

[I'm Charming]

Same. There are a few cool riffs, but that's it.


I just thought it was bland "core" at best.

I have no clue how they brought their game up to WTF level so fast. Then raised it again with City Of Evil.

[Drunken Viking]

I don't think it was very bland, I listen to some metalcore and I'd say that STST is pretty unique compared to those.

[Crysiss]

never heard Sounding the 7th trumpet so I cant really make an opinion on it. Well, Ive downloaded random songs but I know its not on WTF or COE.

And yes, WTF does sound weird :lol:

[guitarizzle]

Rumor has it that A7X will tour with TriviuM later on this year. That would be godly, in my opinion.

[Britton]

Rumor has it that A7X will tour with TriviuM later on this year. That would be godly, in my opinion.




That would be amazing! but I can't see it happening


that's almost like GNR touring with Slayer....well not relaly but in a way it is

So what's new in the world of A7X? I haven't been around here in a long time

[Drunken Viking]

All that's new is they recorded a new song with some producer and it'll hit the airwaves this summer!

[Lartsa]

They are covering Ken Kennedy's (of WWE, World Wrestling Entertainment fame) entrance music, will be released on the cd: "WWE Wreckless Intent'- WWE The Music Vol.7"

Holy crap, sorry.

[SimonCore]

STST is utter crap. I hate it.

It's not an album you can just listen to and like. you have to be really used to that specific genre, or just listen to it for a long time and then you'll love it!

[nowitzki]

I predict their set will be (at Donnington) :

1.Chapter Four
2.Beast and the Harlot
3.Trashed and Scattered
4.Burn it down
5.IWSYTP1
6.Strength of the World
7.Second Heartbeat
8.Unholly Confessions
9.Bat Country

I know they haven't been doing Second heartbeat but I reckon they'll wanna do it in front of thousands of people though. As it is their best song.
That set seems far too similar to what they played on the UK tour. I would hope they would change it up more than that. But if I get to see them play Second Heartbeat I will be happy.

[MRDuCran]

I'd rather them do IWSYTP2 than 1.

[nowitzki]

Would be cool, not sure if it would be that great without screaming though. I doubt they would play IWSYT1 at Download, my guess is they'll try and play their heavier/more metal songs mainly, to suit the Download crowd.

[MRDuCran]

I noticed you say without screaming, is it M. Shadows doing the background screams in Chapter Four and the main verses in IWSYT2??

[Drunken Viking]

He does all the vocals on Waking the Fallen, but he doesn't scream anymore, he burst a blood vessel in his throat from doing it wrong.

[MRDuCran]

Ah shame, I love the screams on Chpater Four and IWSYTP2, but then again, the catchy melody on Bat Country rules too.

Sounds fukkin painful though, "burst a blood vessel", ouch!

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah, then he had to do the entire 2004 Warped Tour with it.

[MRDuCran]

Isn't that a bit silly, to continue with that...

I would say they should of cancelled but that would destroy so many hopes of fans.

[Drunken Viking]

Well I think that the tour was about to start, so they couldn't really cancel.

[MRDuCran]

Yeah exactly. I found out about Alexi breaking his toe just before the London gig on Bodoms last tour and I shat myself thinking they'd cancel.

[Drunken Viking]

A burst blood vessel is a little more severe then a broken toe, but I see what your saying.

[Crysiss]

Just a tad bit huh.

If I had a broken toe, I'd go up in a wheelchair and still head bang and stuff :D

[Grego1985]

Well I've only just got into them this week so I'm not even sure what they do.

So far, my fav songs are:
Chapter Four
I Won't See the Light Tonight part 2
Unholy Confessions
Bat Country

As soon as I heard IWSTLT pt2 last Tuesday, I got home, learnt it and recorded a bit of it, they really aren't what I expected, I always thought A7x we're ghey emos playing acoustic sh!t, but NO, it's really good, I never gave them a chance...:upset:
Dude i was like you about about 3 months ago i was A7X who the hell are they. The name sounded emo to me so i stayed away then my drummer would not shut up about them so i picked up Metal Hammer magazine and read the interview and was like WTF these guys are cool as hell i have got to check there stuff out. I did and i was totally blown away by it.

BTW i have done the same with Metallica this week i never payed them much attention but i bought Master of Puppet because i was told it was the best metal album ever and i was like OK lets give them a chance now i can't wait to see them at Download.

Note to self: Be more open minded /slap :chug:

[Happy]

Isn't that Metal Hammer review the one that got loads of complaints?

[Bat_Country]

Isn't that Metal Hammer review the one that got loads of complaints?

Yeah... well kinda...

It was in an interview in Metal Hammer when Shadows admitted that the whole band voted for Dubya and were basically rednecks which sparked off a huge debate over wether a musicians political views should be a factor in wether you like the band or not.

[Happy]

Yeah.
I thought a lot of the people complaining were idiots. Stuff like "OMG I'm burning my A7X CDs and hoodies because of the interview"
I'm thinking why? Just because they looked bad in an interview doesn't immediately make them bad musicians etc.

[Grego1985]

Yeah.
I thought a lot of the people complaining were idiots. Stuff like "OMG I'm burning my A7X CDs and hoodies because of the interview"
I'm thinking why? Just because they looked bad in an interview doesn't immediately make them bad musicians etc.
I respected them for that interview. Shadows came out with some stuff that made sense. I mean i sick of hearing rock stars saying we hate Bush blah blah. So for that i respect them and for saying it would be a bad scene for someone to diss his band in front him was legendary lmao.... :thumb:

[Happy]

I don't know why UK fans would give a toss if someone likes Bush.

[alexmonty12]

Yea, I quite like a7x. I got into them middle of last year, although they've never been one of my favourites, I'll always go back and listen to them ever now and again.

I was at a local little concert on tuesday, and the 2nd band that played covered Bat Country :cool: :smoke:

[Bat_Country]

Yeah.
I thought a lot of the people complaining were idiots. Stuff like "OMG I'm burning my A7X CDs and hoodies because of the interview"
I'm thinking why? Just because they looked bad in an interview doesn't immediately make them bad musicians etc.

I don't think they looked bad per se
I respected them for admitting to supporting Bush and their politcal stance. To be honest i couildn't give a crap which band hates which politician etc... to me it's all about me music and nothing more. If Dragonforce suddenly become supporters of the Labour party here in the UK i wouldn't stop loving them.
No matter how famous/well known you are, you shouldn't let the prospect of record sales or selling out tours affect what choices you make within your personal life. I'd rather they lost all the fans who were like 'OMG ima burn my cds cuz they love Bush' actually they probably will when the next new trend comes along. Then i could go and see them without having to push through millions of screaming pre pubescent girls or 13yr old boys trying to be Zacky.

[Grego1985]

I don't think they looked bad per se
I respected them for admitting to supporting Bush and their politcal stance. To be honest i couildn't give a crap which band hates which politician etc... to me it's all about me music and nothing more. If Dragonforce suddenly become supporters of the Labour party here in the UK i wouldn't stop loving them.
No matter how famous/well known you are, you shouldn't let the prospect of record sales or selling out tours affect what choices you make within your personal life. I'd rather they lost all the fans who were like 'OMG ima burn my cds cuz they love Bush' actually they probably will when the next new trend comes along. Then i could go and see them without having to push through millions of screaming pre pubescent girls or 13yr old boys trying to be Zacky.
Who would wana be Zacky, Synster is well cooler....

[nowitzki]

Haha, its funny you say that, there's a kid who lives around here who I see at local shows, who tries to model himself exactly on Zacky. He does look just like a younger version of him.

[i am the robots]

I hate kids like that... such tools.

Who would wana be Zacky, Synster is well cooler....

You're kidding right? They're both pretty cool guys (from what I've gathered) but overall Zacky's playing style is much more creative.

[SimonCore]

I read that MH interview. I've gotta say that was the most stupidest interview i've ever read...they didn't ask one question about the music! I couldn't care less how many times they pissed on a girl, or who they voted for. It was like a 3 page interview and not one decent question like "So any ideas on your knew album". What's the point in trying to get involved with someone's personal life?

[i am the robots]

Retarded fanboys are more interested in the artists than their music sometimes... because... well they're retarded.

[nowitzki]

You're kidding right? They're both pretty cool guys (from what I've gathered) but overall Zacky's playing style is much more creative.

Um well, Syn is the lead guitarist, I don't see what Zacky plays that is any more creative? (I'm not sure who actually writes most of the music)]

[SimonCore]

^Syn is much more creative than Zacky he's the lead guitarist and does more solos. He improvises leads live aswell during some of the songs. I'm not sure he writes them though.

[i am the robots]

Zacky wrote a lot of the riffs on Waking The Fallen... Reminissions, Desecrate Through Reverence, Second Heartbeat, etc.

Syn and Zacky switch from leads.

[SimonCore]

Zacky wrote a lot of the riffs on Waking The Fallen... Reminissions, Desecrate Through Reverence, Second Heartbeat, etc.

Syn and Zacky switch from leads.

No they don't Syn does nearly every single lead live. Apart from the one before the first verse of IWSYTP1.

[i am the robots]

He wrote a lot of the songs on Waking The Fallen, I'm almost positive...

Or maybe I'm confused :(.

[SimonCore]

He wrote a lot of the songs on Waking The Fallen, I'm almost positive...

Or maybe I'm confused :(.

No i'm sure he did as he wrote all of STST. But most of the none solos riffs are harmonized. But all the solo's Syn definetly does.

[i am the robots]

I really like Zackie's stuff :D.

If you haven't noticed (since I haven't posted this in a while) my three favorite Avenged Sevenfold songs =

The Art Of Subconcious Illusion
We Come Out At Night
Turn The Other Way

[SimonCore]

I really like Zackie's stuff :D.

If you haven't noticed (since I haven't posted this in a while) my three favorite Avenged Sevenfold songs =

The Art Of Subconcious Illusion
We Come Out At Night
Turn The Other Way

Haven't you heard Second Heartbeat? Those three songs are very good though. But i'd have to say Epic of time wasted > Art of subconcious illusion.

[i am the robots]

I have all three of their albums, I like STST a lot though.

[SimonCore]

I have all three of their albums, I like STST a lot though.

STST is very good. But c'mon, WTF > STST

[i am the robots]

Overall, Waking the Fallen is better than Sounding the Seventh Trumpet.

However, those three songs just stand out so much to me.

[SimonCore]

Overall, Waking the Fallen is better than Sounding the Seventh Trumpet.

However, those three songs just stand out so much to me.

Oh OK fair enough. I really like an 'Epic of Time Wasted' atm. I think they should have calmed down abit though with the crazy unstructured style, i'd have liked to heard some of the first part of the song again in a later part of the song.

[i am the robots]

I actually completely forgot An Epic Of Time Wasted, I was thinking of Darkness Surrounding for some odd reason.

[SimonCore]

I actually completely forgot An Epic Of Time Wasted, I was thinking of Darkness Surrounding for some odd reason.

Darkness surrounding is better than TTOW IMO. Slightly TTOW is a great song but it drags on just abit.

[i am the robots]

Meh, I like Turn The Other Way... somehow I forgot Lips Of Deceit... that song is really good.

[SimonCore]

Meh, I like Turn The Other Way... somehow I forgot Lips Of Deceit... that song is really good.

Yeah i love the beggining and build up into the verse of that song. The structure for most of the songs on STST is really wierd. It changes like 20 times.

[i am the robots]

I know, that's one of the reasons it's so good imo... it's like... progressive metalcore.

Another ignored song:

Breaking Their Hold, so good, and it's only like a minute long.

[Drunken Viking]

About the whole Syn vs. Zacky they are both lead guitars, they both harmonize the leads and the backing guitar is overdubbed, but live he plays rhythm so that it doesn't sound empty.

[SimonCore]

About the whole Syn vs. Zacky they are both lead guitars, they both harmonize the leads and the backing guitar is overdubbed, but live he plays rhythm so that it doesn't sound empty.

Yeah but the solo's Syn does all of them. I mean yeah it's obvious that the leads are harmonized and they do harmonise them live aswell. Like 'burn it down' and chapter four they definetly do the harmony with no rythm.

[Drunken Viking]

Syn does the solo's live, but in the studio Zacky does all the harmony parts.

[SimonCore]

Syn does the solo's live, but in the studio Zacky does all the harmony parts.

Isn't it Syn does the lower part to the harmonies, and Zacky does the higher part?

[Drunken Viking]

I think for the most part. But's that just what I've seen from Beast and The Harlot and Bat Country.

[SimonCore]

I'd like to hear Zacky do some of the solo's in the next album...he's more than capable.

[roth_machine]

hi..im new one here
and i like A7X much..but i just have The City of Evil and Sounding The Seventh Trumpet..

could you give me,where should i get Waking The Fallen of A7X album's ??

[Concubine]

CD Store? I think you could get it anywhere... They're pretty popular...

[SimonCore]

hi..im new one here
and i like A7X much..but i just have The City of Evil and Sounding The Seventh Trumpet..

could you give me,where should i get Walking The Fallen of A7X album's ??

Amazon... evertyhing's always cheap as there.

[roth_machine]

CD Store? I think you could get it anywhere... They're pretty popular...
thanks..
hey are you indonesian too??

[roth_machine]

Amazon... evertyhing's always cheap as there.
thank you for ur information

by the way..Jimmy The Rev is rock..so powerfull and professional :thumb:

[Concubine]

thanks..
hey are you indonesian too??

Yep

[roth_machine]

Yep
me too

so apa kabar?kamu pnya Yahoo Messenger??

ada beberapa hal yg mau aku tanyakan soal forum ini..:)

[Concubine]

me too

so apa kabar?

Baik.. We better not turn this thread into a personal conversation though:p , if you want to talk, just hit me up on msn, the address is on my profile...

Yahoo:
Yudz_sXe@yahoo.com

[roth_machine]

Baik.. We better not turn this thread into a personal conversation though:p , if you want to talk, just hit me up on msn, the address is on my profile...

Yahoo:
Yudz_sXe@yahoo.com
okay..

[hatebreeder41]

I like all of the songs from city of evil and certain songs from sounding the seventh and waking the fallin but i like the direction a7x is going :)

[roth_machine]

i like Beast and The Harlot,Sidewinder,M.I.A,Thrashed and Scattered
thats rock..:thumb:

[i am the robots]

Meh, you guys depress me... I guess I wouldn't mind City Of Evil if Shadow's voice was as good as it was back in the day... but the vocals on CoE are so lacking :(.

[Drunken Viking]

I thought they were ok, with time though his voice will only get better. I bet the next album and proably by the new song coming out soon then that his voice will have improved, I mean he had like 6 months to learn how to sing and make this album.

[Shadius]

Meh, you guys depress me... I guess I wouldn't mind City Of Evil if Shadow's voice was as good as it was back in the day... but the vocals on CoE are so lacking :(.

To be fair though, you really like STST and his clean vocals are lacking there too.

[i am the robots]

They're more bearable on that album to me though, they have a hardcore feel to them rather than a Gunz N' Roses feel.

Plus his voice instructor said his voice would be completely better in 2 years from when it was damaged... so yeah, his voice is probably nearly there.

[spaztik]

Waking the Fallen is by far one of my favorite albums, but honestly I think the new C.D. is awful. I feel they have completely sold out, and not because of the singer's "inability" to sing, but like, if you watch videos of them before the new C.D., and videos of them after, they are so different. One difference being the way they dress, it's just seems so poseuresque. Also, their overall stage presence (mainly the singer) is so boastful. The singer walks around like he's God. Basically, he reminds me of those arrogant jocks from high school who worship themselves, and think that everyone else worships them too. It's hard to explain. I just can't stand that band anymore.

[Shadius]

Waking the Fallen is by far one of my favorite albums, but honestly I think the new C.D. is awful. I feel they have completely sold out, and not because of the singer's "inability" to sing, but like, if you watch videos of them before the new C.D., and videos of them after, they are so different. One difference being the way they dress, it's just seems so poseuresque. Also, their overall stage presence (mainly the singer) is so boastful. The singer walks around like he's God. Basically, he reminds me of those arrogant jocks from high school who worship themselves, and think that everyone else worships them too. It's hard to explain. I just can't stand that band anymore.

Uh... They've always dressed up. The style has changed only slightly since their latest album, and I wouldn't call the difference anywhere near selling out or changing their image. Also, Shadows has walked around the stage like that since before the new album too from the videos i've seen, it's just stage presence, dude. Would you rather some unmotivated guy who lacks self esteem trying to belt out songs like he does up there?

I'm sure he's not like that in person, eesh, and even if he is, he's been like that for ages.

[spaztik]

I don't know, Shadows seems really full of himself. I don't know how to explain it, just like everything about them ticks me off. And I have nothing wrong with stage presence, he had great presence in videos I've seen before the new album, bbut now his stage presence is so condescending. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Maybe I'm just subconsciously mad at him for "breaking" his voice, and I take out my anger towards them by complaining about things that they do have control over. But I don't think so.

[Drunken Viking]

It's just stage presence.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

Waking the Fallen is by far one of my favorite albums, but honestly I think the new C.D. is awful. I feel they have completely sold out, and not because of the singer's "inability" to sing, but like, if you watch videos of them before the new C.D., and videos of them after, they are so different. One difference being the way they dress, it's just seems so poseuresque. Also, their overall stage presence (mainly the singer) is so boastful. The singer walks around like he's God. Basically, he reminds me of those arrogant jocks from high school who worship themselves, and think that everyone else worships them too. It's hard to explain. I just can't stand that band anymore.

Personally, I really have never liked avenged sevenfold, and for the reason you were just saying. In Beast and the Harlot, it looked like those morons had diamonds and shlt in their "grills". We already have enough posers and rappers in the world, we don't need more. O yeah, and the singing sucks.

[spaztik]

It's just stage presence.
If you say so...

[AA-12]

Shadows being full of himself and such makes me like him and the band more. He has style.

[guitarizzle]

http://www.guitar.com/cda/ColumnCorner/article_display.aspx?sPath=8100000C218100000001000 0791F00000000&sSection=TL

:chug:

[UpperDecker]

This is just my opinion. Avenged Sevenfold sold out. The music is still good but just look how they dress, the new singing trying too hard to be catchy, and the grills in their mouths in the new video. I don't wanna start an argument but this to me is selling out.

[Tillius]

I have to repeatedly tell myself that they got those grills as a way of making fun of rappers. :upset:

[UpperDecker]

I have to repeatedly tell myself that they got those grills as a way of making fun of rappers. :upset:

I told myself that too but obviously not, they just wanted to look hip for all the kids to like. There's nothing wrong with trying to gain more fans but they went too far. On the topic of "grills", Jonathan Davis has a grill in the new Korn video Coming Undone. This also makes me sad. What are these bands thinking.

[SimonCore]

What's so bad about 'Selling out?'. OK maybe like Green day style selling out, but i don't see why people have a problem with bands signing a deal with a company...this is their only chance for fame etc...everyone in here would do it if they had the chance.

[Happy]

I don't see how A7X could have sold out. They've always appealed to the scene and on every album their music improves. They're a band progressing.

I think they've gone for the more catchy singing becuase Shadows can't scream anymore.

[nowitzki]

If A7x made a generic pop-rock album, that would be selling out. City of Evil is nothing like anything else in the mainstream right now, and is a very adventurous and progressive album. The fact that they pulled it off so well and it became successful does not mean they have sold out.

[deathscreamingsheep]

When I first heard City of Evil I honestly thought they'd probably lose more fans than they gained.

[hatebreeder41]

Well city of Evil is a big step from what they previously did but I think its just as good as the old in terms of the instrumental and M. shadows has a good normal voice so I thought they would gain fans when I heard it which they did

[nowitzki]

Also the fact it was their first release on a major label must have helped.

[Drunken Viking]

This is just my opinion. Avenged Sevenfold sold out. The music is still good but just look how they dress, the new singing trying too hard to be catchy, and the grills in their mouths in the new video. I don't wanna start an argument but this to me is selling out.
Well then you have no idea what selling out is. They still write the music they wanna right, they don't try to impress other people.

To end this **** about Shadows and Zacky's grills like that has any effect on the music or if they were to have sold out. Shadows said this in responce to a question from a fan, if you don't believe me then check out his link to it http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7474 .

Q:What made you decide to start with the "grills"? I first saw it on the KROQ webcast show with just Shadows having it on (the only mouth actually visible). Now in the Beast in the Harlot video Zacky is sporting one as well. Did Paul Wall get to you as well??? I thought it was kinda funny because being from Houston, thats what I was thinking. BUT, now having read Shadows likes the music of Paul Wall, I have to ask.....what influenced you to get the grill? Was it actually the Paul Wall thing going around? Or was it something you guys thought looked cool?"

A:"For some reason me and zacky enjoy jewelry in our mouths. There is no other reason then that. I got some fangs last year on Warped Tour (way before I knew who Paul Wall was) Then it just grew from there. Bought more and now I have 3 different sets and a set of fangs. There is nothing too it, its just something I like to wear.

Shads".

[UpperDecker]

Well then you have no idea what selling out is. They still write the music they wanna right, they don't try to impress other people.

To end this **** about Shadows and Zacky's grills like that has any effect on the music or if they were to have sold out. Shadows said this in responce to a question from a fan, if you don't believe me then check out his link to it http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7474 .

Q:What made you decide to start with the "grills"? I first saw it on the KROQ webcast show with just Shadows having it on (the only mouth actually visible). Now in the Beast in the Harlot video Zacky is sporting one as well. Did Paul Wall get to you as well??? I thought it was kinda funny because being from Houston, thats what I was thinking. BUT, now having read Shadows likes the music of Paul Wall, I have to ask.....what influenced you to get the grill? Was it actually the Paul Wall thing going around? Or was it something you guys thought looked cool?"

A:"For some reason me and zacky enjoy jewelry in our mouths. There is no other reason then that. I got some fangs last year on Warped Tour (way before I knew who Paul Wall was) Then it just grew from there. Bought more and now I have 3 different sets and a set of fangs. There is nothing too it, its just something I like to wear.

Shads".

Ok, ok you win. I still think they kind of sold out though. You don't have to write another essay proving me wrong. Its just my opinion.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

I think the reason a lot of bands are "selling out" these days is because they are too damn greedy: in some cases. I usually see this happening to bands and such that have already been around for a while and just think they can be better. Some examples: Metallica with St. Anger and Some Kind of Monster- those albums sucked a$$; Zakk Wylde with BLS- nothing really here, but it seems like he is trying too hard with the whole biker thing; Korn of course- they sort of dress like gangstas and are sort of slopping their new albums together, when everyone liked their old shlt; SOAD- they came out with like 2 albums in a year, which basically sucked, because they were sort of trying to make their songs have that funny/weird sound and feeling-go back to the toxicity album type of music, that kicked serious a$$.

[Grego1985]

Jesus guys WTF, how have they sold out? I mean i never heard of them before City of Evil tbh but i now own all the albums and the way the sound has developed really suprises me. Just becuase they dress different to what they used to doesn't mean you sell out man its just expanding they have always said they want to be the biggest band in the world and to do that the image had to change.

Also Shadows has always been like that from video's i have seen and interviews i have read, personally i think the bloke is a legend & has such stage prescence. I would also say his vocals are unique also just becuase they model themselves on GnR is by no far stretch a bad thing modelling your self one of the best bands of all time.

Synster would well own Zacky on guitars man i mean he studied at some yank guitaring god college or sumit and his Dad played with Zappa so he obviously has natural ability. Taking nothing away from Zacky he is a great guitarist also but Synster is the man Zacky admits that in a interview i read last week.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I think the reason a lot of bands are "selling out" these days is because they are too damn greedy: in some cases. I usually see this happening to bands and such that have already been around for a while and just think they can be better. Some examples: Metallica with St. Anger and Some Kind of Monster- those albums sucked a$$; Zakk Wylde with BLS- nothing really here, but it seems like he is trying too hard with the whole biker thing; Korn of course- they sort of dress like gangstas and are sort of slopping their new albums together, when everyone liked their old shlt; SOAD- they came out with like 2 albums in a year, which basically sucked, because they were sort of trying to make their songs have that funny/weird sound and feeling-go back to the toxicity album type of music, that kicked serious a$$.

So wait. Having an image means a band has sold out?

[SimonCore]

Jesus guys WTF, how have they sold out? I mean i never heard of them before City of Evil tbh but i now own all the albums and the way the sound has developed really suprises me. Just becuase they dress different to what they used to doesn't mean you sell out man its just expanding they have always said they want to be the biggest band in the world and to do that the image had to change.

Also Shadows has always been like that from video's i have seen and interviews i have read, personally i think the bloke is a legend & has such stage prescence. I would also say his vocals are unique also just becuase they model themselves on GnR is by no far stretch a bad thing modelling your self one of the best bands of all time.

Synster would well own Zacky on guitars man i mean he studied at some yank guitaring god college or sumit and his Dad played with Zappa so he obviously has natural ability. Taking nothing away from Zacky he is a great guitarist also but Synster is the man Zacky admits that in a interview i read last week.


A link to the interview perhaps?

[Grego1985]

A link to the interview perhaps?
Its on Ultimate Guitar some where GOOGLE Synster Gates Interviews and look for the ultimate guitar interview. Sorry guys

If i find it i shall post the link

[SimonCore]

Found the interview. It was quite a good one, better than the metalhammer one. But i'm dying for an interview where someone asks "So what's your next album gonna be like? Should we expect another City Of Evil?"

[Grego1985]

Found the interview. It was quite a good one, better than the metalhammer one. But i'm dying for an interview where someone asks "So what's your next album gonna be like? Should we expect another City Of Evil?"
Good good, maybe you can post the link so people can view it. Hmmmm i think with A7X you don't know whats going to come next. Especially with Shadows vocals having to change they are not going to go back to the old ways. You know what i don't even have a clue.

[SimonCore]

Ok people here's the latest interview: www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/avenged_sevenfold_new_ways_to_make_music.html (www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/ave
nged_sevenfold_new_ways_to_make_music.html)

Enjoy!

[hatebreeder41]

So wait. Having an image means a band has sold out?

You have a point and i dont think a7x is selling out at all becuz those "grills" are just becuz they like the feel of them in the're mouths nothing more plus M. Shadows Fangs go along with the deathbat so that works

[SimonCore]

A bands image has nothing to do with selling out. Selling out is when a band sign's to a major record label.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

So wait. Having an image means a band has sold out?

Ok, that is not what I said. So try to think next time you reply like that. No, that does not mean a band has sold out. I'm not exactly saying all of those bands are sold out. I really don't like Avenged Sevenfold because they wear makeup and "grills" and try to act like their music is metal when it isn't. I'm not saying they are sold out, maybe this is just the way they are, maybe they smoke too much crack, I don't know and don't care. My point is that the only way a band is actually sold out is when they slop together albums that have a much lower standard than the earlier ones and yet still make tons of money.

[Drunken Viking]

Ok, that is not what I said. So try to think next time you reply like that. No, that does not mean a band has sold out. I'm not exactly saying all of those bands are sold out. I really don't like Avenged Sevenfold because they wear makeup and "grills" and try to act like their music is metal when it isn't. I'm not saying they are sold out, maybe this is just the way they are, maybe they smoke too much crack, I don't know and don't care. My point is that the only way a band is actually sold out is when they slop together albums that have a much lower standard than the earlier ones and yet still make tons of money.
So you don't like them on the basis of their image, nice.

A bands image has nothing to do with selling out. Selling out is when a band sign's to a major record label.
Wow, just wow. It still amazes me how people like you have no idea what selling out is.

[SimonCore]

^So tell us what selling out is then...

And what do you mean people like me?

[i am the robots]

Ok, that is not what I said. So try to think next time you reply like that. No, that does not mean a band has sold out. I'm not exactly saying all of those bands are sold out. I really don't like Avenged Sevenfold because they wear makeup and "grills" and try to act like their music is metal when it isn't. I'm not saying they are sold out, maybe this is just the way they are, maybe they smoke too much crack, I don't know and don't care. My point is that the only way a band is actually sold out is when they slop together albums that have a much lower standard than the earlier ones and yet still make tons of money.

If their music isn't metal then could you please fill me in on what the Hell it is?

[Tillius]

Ok, that is not what I said. So try to think next time you reply like that. No, that does not mean a band has sold out. I'm not exactly saying all of those bands are sold out. I really don't like Avenged Sevenfold because they wear makeup and "grills" and try to act like their music is metal when it isn't. I'm not saying they are sold out, maybe this is just the way they are, maybe they smoke too much crack, I don't know and don't care. My point is that the only way a band is actually sold out is when they slop together albums that have a much lower standard than the earlier ones and yet still make tons of money.
First of all, I'll agree with you on the grills, I think that's just plain stupid. The makeup, however, isn't really that big of a deal. Even if it was, you shouldn't judge a band on how they look. That's plain idiocy.

Secondly, they're simply classified as metal. They don't walk around calling themselves a metal band or promoting themselves as a metal band.

Thirdly, how the hell is signing on with a major label selling out? They've put out two CDs with, while good, pretty much unsuccessful record labels, and then they got the chance to sign on with a good one. What the hell is wrong with that? I guarantee you if you had a band and Warner Bros. Records offered you a record deal, you'd take it. That's what bands do, my friend, this has nothing to do with selling out.

[Drunken Viking]

^So tell us what selling out is then...

And what do you mean people like me?
Selling out is when you make and write music for people other then yourself, say to try to get onto a big label or to go mainstream, A7X did none of this. They make WTF which noone considered selling out and that got them onto to the WarnerBrothers label. And going mainstream is just by chance, it took nearly 6 months for their video to get played on MTV after CoE came out, if they were going mainstream they would have had it on their since 2 weeks before hand.

And people like you are people who don't know what selling out is but still use the term like you do.

[AA-12]

Wow, that guy actually said you sell out when you sign on a big record label... I believe that's called common sense aka why not make more money and gain more fans while still playing what you like, dumbass.

[UpperDecker]

Wow, this whole argument started because i was making fun of their grills and said they sold out. Here's my view. They're trying to look appealing to the young trendy kids by wearing metal in their mouth and by the different singing approach that wasn't on previous albums. Even though he supposedly can't scream anymore which i don't believe, he still sung extremely well on their first two albums. Can you agree with what i'm saying now? Some will probably tell me this isn't selling out but to me it is (though not in a enormous way). I'm not saying City of Evil is bad by any means though the singing could have been aloooooot better.

[nowitzki]

I'm certain he can't scream anymore, thats why he doesn't when they are performing songs from WTF live. He had to change his singing style. And I don't see how his clean vocals on earlier albums sound any "less-mainstream" than how he sings now.

[Drunken Viking]

Wow, this whole argument started because i was making fun of their grills and said they sold out. Here's my view. They're trying to look appealing to the young trendy kids by wearing metal in their mouth and by the different singing approach that wasn't on previous albums. Even though he supposedly can't scream anymore which i don't believe, he still sung extremely well on their first two albums. Can you agree with what i'm saying now? Some will probably tell me this isn't selling out but to me it is (though not in a enormous way). I'm not saying City of Evil is bad by any means though the singing could have been aloooooot better.
Dude he can't scream the same anymore, he burst a blood vessel in his throat, have you heard his screams now a whole lot different then before and his talking voice is really ****ed up. They have always dressed up, have you seen the video for Unholy Confessions they are all wearing makeup, but yet noone calls that selling out. I can't agree with you because you don't know what you're talking about. They dress how they wanna dress, would you like me to link you to the interview question again. They wear grills because they like them, not you.

[i am the robots]

His voice was supposed to be completely healed like a month ago. He can scream again. I gaurentee if he took the proper training he'd be able to scream again. To a certain degree, UpperDecker is correct... their selling out isn't as bad as oh say... Celtic Frost's, but it's still pretty upsetting to the fans who have been into them for so long.

EDIT:

Also, Jesse Leach severly damaged his throat as well years ago. He took proper training, he can speak perfectly fine and he screams in a few Seemless songs, Shadows will be perfectly fine.

[Drunken Viking]

I can agree with you that they sold out if you make a good point about, not something non-factional.

[AA-12]

Wow, this whole argument started because i was making fun of their grills and said they sold out. Here's my view. They're trying to look appealing to the young trendy kids by wearing metal in their mouth and by the different singing approach that wasn't on previous albums. Even though he supposedly can't scream anymore which i don't believe, he still sung extremely well on their first two albums. Can you agree with what i'm saying now? Some will probably tell me this isn't selling out but to me it is (though not in a enormous way). I'm not saying City of Evil is bad by any means though the singing could have been aloooooot better.
Technically his singing is much better.

[UpperDecker]

Dude he can't scream anymore, he burst a blood vessel in his throat, have you heard his screams now a whole lot different then before and his talking voice is really ****ed up. They have always dressed up, have you seen the video for Unholy Confessions they are all wearing makeup, but yet noone calls that selling out. I can't agree with you because you don't know what you're talking about. They dress how they wanna dress, would you like me to link you to the interview question again. They wear grills because they like them, not you.

LOL you don't have to get all defensive. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or right. Its just what i thought. I could be wrong. I think we should just drop it.

[i am the robots]

LOL you don't have to get all defensive. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or right. Its just what i thought. I could be wrong. I think we should just drop it.

I agree.

[UpperDecker]

His voice was supposed to be completely healed like a month ago. He can scream again. I gaurentee if he took the proper training he'd be able to scream again. To a certain degree, UpperDecker is correct... their selling out isn't as bad as oh say... Celtic Frost's, but it's still pretty upsetting to the fans who have been into them for so long.

EDIT:

Also, Jesse Leach severly damaged his throat as well years ago. He took proper training, he can speak perfectly fine and he screams in a few Seemless songs, Shadows will be perfectly fine.

Thankyou Eleventeen.

[nowitzki]

His voice was supposed to be completely healed like a month ago. He can scream again. I gaurentee if he took the proper training he'd be able to scream again. To a certain degree, UpperDecker is correct... their selling out isn't as bad as oh say... Celtic Frost's, but it's still pretty upsetting to the fans who have been into them for so long.

EDIT:

Also, Jesse Leach severly damaged his throat as well years ago. He took proper training, he can speak perfectly fine and he screams in a few Seemless songs, Shadows will be perfectly fine.
Shadow's screaming style put a huge strain on his throat, and apparently, while he may now be able to scream, he was told by a doctor that continuing to scream would result in him needing surgery again in a few years. SO he decided not to do it at all.

[i am the robots]

Thankyou Eleventeen.

No prob bro.

Shadow's screaming style put a huge strain on his throat, and apparently, while he may now be able to scream, he was told by a doctor that continuing to scream would result in him needing surgery again in a few years. SO he decided not to do it at all.

That's if he continued screaming the way he was on the older albums... if he screamed with proper technique (which he kind of was) and didn't push beyond his range he would be fine.

With the screaming, his technique was fine, but if you listen to his clean singing, he doesn't have the... highest... of voices, and in order to push his voice to the pich he got screaming he needed to compensate his technique and close his throat a bit to hit those notes.

[nowitzki]

So you are suggesting that it was his clean singing, not his screaming, that caused his throat injury?

[Tillius]

Wow, this whole argument started because i was making fun of their grills and said they sold out. Here's my view. They're trying to look appealing to the young trendy kids by wearing metal in their mouth and by the different singing approach that wasn't on previous albums. Even though he supposedly can't scream anymore which i don't believe, he still sung extremely well on their first two albums. Can you agree with what i'm saying now? Some will probably tell me this isn't selling out but to me it is (though not in a enormous way). I'm not saying City of Evil is bad by any means though the singing could have been aloooooot better.
First off, I don't think they were trying to appeal to any ROCK people by putting metal in their mouth. If anything that's less appealing.

Secondly, they didn't sell out by switching vocal styling. First of all, he CAN'T scream anymore. It doesn't really matter what you believe, what happened happened. Secondly, they knew that switching styles was gonna piss off a lot of fans, and possibly even LOSE a lot of them, which did happen.

Now please explain to me how this is selling out.

[UpperDecker]

First off, I don't think they were trying to appeal to any ROCK people by putting metal in their mouth. If anything that's less appealing.

Secondly, they didn't sell out by switching vocal styling. First of all, he CAN'T scream anymore. It doesn't really matter what you believe, what happened happened. Secondly, they knew that switching styles was gonna piss off a lot of fans, and possibly even LOSE a lot of them, which did happen.

Now please explain to me how this is selling out.

I didn't say anywhere it appealed to rock fans. I said it appealed to trendy kids. He can scream dont be silly. I know it doesn't matter what i believe. Once again why get so defensive over an opinion. You just explained to me how they sold out. They wore grills to not appeal to rockers but to trendy kids (like all the ones who watch mtv with all the jigga jigga booty grills in ya dome stuff) and they switched styles. Like i said, they didn't sell out in a huge way but they did. And to whoever said the singing is better now, what the hell was he thinking when he was singing at the end of MIA??? It sounded like he was breathing in and talking, i find that moment of the song very hard to listen to.

[i am the robots]

So you are suggesting that it was his clean singing, not his screaming, that caused his throat injury?

No, I'm suggesting that the only way he was straining his throat was through going beyond his range.

[Drunken Viking]

First off, I don't think they were trying to appeal to any ROCK people by putting metal in their mouth. If anything that's less appealing.

Secondly, they didn't sell out by switching vocal styling. First of all, he CAN'T scream anymore. It doesn't really matter what you believe, what happened happened. Secondly, they knew that switching styles was gonna piss off a lot of fans, and possibly even LOSE a lot of them, which did happen.

Now please explain to me how this is selling out.
Finally someone understands me, thank you.

I didn't say anywhere it appealed to rock fans. I said it appealed to trendy kids. He can scream dont be silly. I know it doesn't matter what i believe. Once again why get so defensive over an opinion. You just explained to me how they sold out. They wore grills to not appeal to rockers but to trendy kids (like all the ones who watch mtv with all the jigga jigga booty grills in ya dome stuff) and they switched styles.
They didn't do that, is anything they say gonna change your mind, or are you being close minded on purpose?


Like i said, they didn't sell out in a huge way but they did. And to whoever said the singing is better now, what the hell was he thinking when he was singing at the end of MIA??? It sounded like he was breathing in and talking, i find that moment of the song very hard to listen to.
So they didn't sell out in a huge way, but they did at the same time?
Way to get so defensive over an opinion of clean singing at the end of MIA.

[UpperDecker]

Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

If their music isn't metal then could you please fill me in on what the Hell it is?

LOL, is that a serious question. Wow. Ok heres about 30 bands: Lamb of God, In Flames, Behemoth, Children of Bodom, Necrophagist, Kalmah, Slayer, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, 3 Inches of Blood, Arch Enemy, God Forbid, Soilwork, Pantera, Opeth, Chimaira, Wintersun, Trivium, Strapping Young Lad, Exodus, Testament, Isis, Yngwie Malmsteen, Himsa, Dew Scented, Cradle of Filth, Hatebreed, Black Label Society, Vader, Cryptopsy, Soulfly, Sepultura, Fear Factory- and many more. So why don't you learn more about music before you start making dumb assumptions. Avenged Sevenfold has sort of a fake metal sound like margirin is to butter. The singing definetly isn't metal and sucks.

[Drunken Viking]

LOL, is that a serious question. Wow. Ok heres about 30 bands: Lamb of God, In Flames, Behemoth, Children of Bodom, Necrophagist, Kalmah, Slayer, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, 3 Inches of Blood, Arch Enemy, God Forbid, Soilwork, Pantera, Opeth, Chimaira, Wintersun, Trivium, Strapping Young Lad, Exodus, Testament, Isis, Yngwie Malmsteen, Himsa, Dew Scented, Cradle of Filth, Hatebreed, Black Label Society, Vader, Cryptopsy, Soulfly, Sepultura, Fear Factory- and many more. So why don't you learn more about music before you start making dumb assumptions. Avenged Sevenfold has sort of a fake metal sound like margirin is to butter. The singing definetly isn't metal and sucks.
You are a ****ing moron you know that right? :rolleyes:

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]So you don't like them on the basis of their image, nice.

No, that is only a small part of it. Put simply, I don't like them because they make shltty music. Don't get me wrong, there are many bands that are much worse, but there are a greater ratio that are much better.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

You are a ****ing moron you know that right? :rolleyes:

ok, i can deal with that, but explain, jew.

[Drunken Viking]

ok, i can deal with that, but explain, jew.
Ok, Eleventeen knows a shitload more about music then you do, he was being sarcastic because A7X are clearly metal. He was saying that if they aren't metal, then nothing can be metal. It doesn't matter if a band screams like nearly all those bands do, or if the drummer in the band uses constant double bass and blast beats the entire time you can be metal without doing all those things, just like A7X.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

Ok, Eleventeen knows a shitload more about music then you do, he was being sarcastic because A7X are clearly metal. He was saying that if they aren't metal, then nothing can be metal. It doesn't matter if a band screams like nearly all those bands do, or if the drummer in the band uses constant double bass and blast beats the entire time you can be metal without doing all those things, just like A7X.

Ok, he probably does know more about musica than me. But that is not the point. My point is that they are not true metal. I have never actually met a true metalhead that likes avenged sevenfold, the only ppl i have met that like them are girls that listen to emo. I don't even know what genre to classify them as, metalcore?

[Drunken Viking]

They have one album that's metalcore, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, Waking the Fallen is only have metalcore, and as for City Of Evil, that's progressive metal boarding power metal. I know tons of real metalheads how like A7X, example, anyone in this thread who likes them. And I'd like to know how they are not "true" metal.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

They have one album that's metalcore, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, Waking the Fallen is only have metalcore, and as for City Of Evil, that's progressive metal boarding power metal. I know tons of real metalheads how like A7X, example, anyone in this thread who likes them. And I'd like to know how they are not "true" metal.

Where do u live, San Francisco? Also you probably don't know anyone in this thread so you don't know if they are metalheads. And what are you talking about constant double bass, their drummer does that all the time. And for their appearance, they are like an emo band mixed with rapper and badass biker band. Sure they sort of sound power metal in their intro riffs, but then BAM, into ****ty singing and punk like drum beats. They just sound like half the other bands u hear on the radio, excluding the singing. I must admit their drummer does sound pretty good in his micro solos, but he needs to expand his talent.

[nowitzki]

Name me one band you hear on the radio who sound anything like A7X.
I know tons of real metalheads how like A7X, example, anyone in this thread who likes them. And I'd like to know how they are not "true" metal.
I second that.

[Drunken Viking]

Where do u live, San Francisco? Also you probably don't know anyone in this thread so you don't know if they are metalheads. And what are you talking about constant double bass, their drummer does that all the time. And for their appearance, they are like an emo band mixed with rapper and badass biker band. Sure they sort of sound power metal in their intro riffs, but then BAM, into ****ty singing and punk like drum beats. They just sound like half the other bands u hear on the radio, excluding the singing. I must admit their drummer does sound pretty good in his micro solos, but he needs to expand his talent.
Why does my location matter at all? The people in this thread listen to metal, that what a metalhead is, someone who listens to metal.This drummer doesn't use constant double bass, he does nice triplets and doubles, now the drummer for Lamb Of God, he uses constant double bass. What does their appearence have to do with anything, that's like me saying I am not gonna listen to Arch Enemy because the signer is a chick, it makes no sense to do that. I would also like to hear one band that sounds like A7X on or off the radio.

[pep]

Sure they sort of sound power metal in their intro riffs, but then BAM, into ****ty singing and punk like drum beats.They just sound like half the other bands u hear on the radio, excluding the singing. I must admit their drummer does sound pretty good in his micro solos, but he needs to expand his talent.


What the hell are you talking about? First you critizise them for 'punk like dru beats', then praise the drummer cos he sounds good... and if theyre not metal tell me what they are. Are they rap? maybe jazz?

[MRDuCran]

This ****ing thread is turning out like all the Lamb of God threads damn it!!

[Drunken Viking]

Only instead of arguing over genres the LoG fanboy is getting pwned.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

What the hell are you talking about? First you critizise them for 'punk like dru beats', then praise the drummer cos he sounds good... and if theyre not metal tell me what they are. Are they rap? maybe jazz?

I was saying there are punk like beats in some of the choruses. I'm saying that they are more metalcore, or hardrock, and i guess a little power metal.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

Only instead of arguing over genres the LoG fanboy is getting pwned.

Yeah I never was actually was arguing about those genres. And yes maybe i am getting somewhat owned in certain areas, but wtf ever.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

Why does my location matter at all? The people in this thread listen to metal, that what a metalhead is, someone who listens to metal.This drummer doesn't use constant double bass, he does nice triplets and doubles, now the drummer for Lamb Of God, he uses constant double bass. What does their appearence have to do with anything, that's like me saying I am not gonna listen to Arch Enemy because the signer is a chick, it makes no sense to do that. I would also like to hear one band that sounds like A7X on or off the radio.

Tell me why a band needs to have "grills" and make-up to have a good appearance. And I happen to be a fan of Arch Enemy, so don't say any shlt about that.

[Grego1985]

Man why do people that dnt even like bands have to go into the bands threads on MX and have ago at completley ripping them. I mean WTF why don't you just stick to your own band threads & leave us A7X fans alone.

[King_Karl]

Seems popular to bash A7X. I think they are a great band. "City Of Evil' is solid and its a breath of fresh air from a lot of the same old boring albums bands seem to churn out these days. Also i think Shadows has improved after dropping the screaming.

[UpperDecker]

What do you all think of Warmness On The Soul? I think its a really good ballad and no other metalcore bands could pull off something like that and make it sound meaningful. (trying to change the subject in this forum).

[Shadius]

Warmness of the Soul is a good song, I like the piano on it, and the guitar solo is nice.

It's only letdown is Shadows vocals... he does the job, but he's capable of so much better. The song would be amazing if it were recorded around WTF time.

[UpperDecker]

Warmness of the Soul is a good song, I like the piano on it, and the guitar solo is nice.

It's only letdown is Shadows vocals... he does the job, but he's capable of so much better. The song would be amazing if it were recorded around WTF time.

Yea, his voice improved alot on WTF.

[pep]

Yeah, I also think that, and I wasnt a huge fan of the metalcore sound.

[Drunken Viking]

Tell me why a band needs to have "grills" and make-up to have a good appearance. And I happen to be a fan of Arch Enemy, so don't say any shlt about that.
They don't, I was making a point that appearence doesn't matter and that they should dress how they please.

I was saying there are punk like beats in some of the choruses. I'm saying that they are more metalcore, or hardrock, and i guess a little power metal.
Every album is different, they don't really fit one particular genre.

[Lartsa]

I didn't like Warmness, I don't really care for it, I've never really sat down and listen to any of their ballads, save Seize The Day.

[Tillius]

Dude, listen to I Won't See You Tonight pt. 1. Seriously. One of their best songs in existence.

[Drunken Viking]

That song is epic.

[DFelon204409]

Man why do people that dnt even like bands have to go into the bands threads on MX and have ago at completley ripping them. I mean WTF why don't you just stick to your own band threads & leave us A7X fans alone.

Because you don't have to like a band to have a strong opinion on them. If mx were just a bunch of "appreesh" thread the site would be boring. It's the fact that people like me come into your lame threads and rip on your lame bands that makes this site more of a constant discussion on the quality and understanding of music that is important or relevant to our lives than a bunch of fanboy drivel.

[Nepenthe]

Ok, he probably does know more about musica than me. But that is not the point. My point is that they are not true metal. I have never actually met a true metalhead that likes avenged sevenfold, the only ppl i have met that like them are girls that listen to emo. I don't even know what genre to classify them as, metalcore?

I just want to clarify something. It's called METALcore for a reason.

[Tillius]

That song is epic.
First song I ever heard from them.

I realized right there that I was going to quickly become a fan.

[Drunken Viking]

Because you don't have to like a band to have a strong opinion on them. If mx were just a bunch of "appreesh" thread the site would be boring. It's the fact that people like me come into your lame threads and rip on your lame bands that makes this site more of a constant discussion on the quality and understanding of music that is important or relevant to our lives than a bunch of fanboy drivel.
Dfelon in an A7X thread. WTF!

[DFelon204409]

Dfelon in an A7X thread. WTF!

I actually like some A7X. Certainly not City of Evil though.

[Drunken Viking]

That seems to be the popular opinion these days.

[Tillius]

CoE is a great CD, but IMO it's nothing next to WTF. Better than STST though.

[DFelon204409]

Dude, City of Evil is blow sauce.

[Txus]

Dude, City of Evil is blow sauce.
Weird...that's the only album of them I enjoy.

[Grego1985]

Weird...that's the only album of them I enjoy.
I enjoy all of the albums they all put me in different moods becuase they all sound so different.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Same really. They don't actually change my mood, but I like the different feel of the albums. I sometimes think that structurally there should be more songs like they have on STST i.e. less chorus and structure in those terms. It would be interesting to see whether that style of songwriting could fit in with the City of Evil style music.

[SimonCore]

If they had a City of Evil style song in the structure of let's say An epic of time wasted, then it'd be a very very complicated song. Amazing one though.

[Lartsa]

It would be an interesting mix, It's hard to imagine; but I could see it happening.

[Arucard]

Dude, City of Evil is blow sauce.

Dude, your whole sub-forum is blow sauce.

[DFelon204409]

Prove it nub.

[deathscreamingsheep]

It would be an interesting mix, It's hard to imagine; but I could see it happening.

As I've got little else to do I think I may start writing a song in this theme. It'll be challenging. It's not the sort of thing I usually play.

[Tillius]

Prove it nub.
Dude, you are the dumbest mod I have ever had the misfortune of coming across.

[Arucard]

Prove it nub.

Average Hardcore/Emo conversation:

Someone :'Omg have you heard 'Bleeding Hearts For The Autumn?'
Someone 2: 'Yeh man their good.'
DeFelon: 'I think they blow because i know everything and you don't.'
Someone 3: 'They are doing a basement show with 'My Tree Died So I Cried' and 'The Blackest Sky Bleeds a Blackened Tear.'
Somene 2 : 'OMGGGZZZZ SXEEEE'

[i am the robots]

Dude, City of Evil is blow sauce.

I agree sir :).

[Shred Danson]

DeFelon: 'I think they blow because i know everything and you don't.'

you know, that's all I ever see him post, whether on here or Sputnik.

[Lartsa]

As I've got little else to do I think I may start writing a song in this theme. It'll be challenging. It's not the sort of thing I usually play.

I'd like to hear it when it's done, tell us if you pull through with it or not.

[DKMode]

I think the best thing that ever happened to A7X was M. Shadows throat surgery. before that, i coudlnt even appreciate syns amazing guitar and the revs solid drumming because i could only focus on the clown with the gay scream. now that he actually sings, i think they are the best out there. i dont see how they are emo at all, in fact, they are very metal. im a complete metalhead and also a huge A7X fan. gay bands that scream are a dime a dozen, and im amazingly thankful that A7X came to their senses and dropped the juvenile "im pissed at the world so ill scream about it" attitude. their new songs have great meaning to them, amazing structure, and i wont be surprised if by 2010, they are where metallica was after master of puppets and ...and justice for all.

[Drunken Viking]

I think the best thing that ever happened to A7X was M. Shadows throat surgery. before that, i coudlnt even appreciate syns amazing guitar and the revs solid drumming because i could only focus on the clown with the gay scream. now that he actually sings, i think they are the best out there. i dont see how they are emo at all, in fact, they are very metal. im a complete metalhead and also a huge A7X fan. gay bands that scream are a dime a dozen, and im amazingly thankful that A7X came to their senses and dropped the juvenile "im pissed at the world so ill scream about it" attitude. their new songs have great meaning to them, amazing structure, and i wont be surprised if by 2010, they are where metallica was after master of puppets and ...and justice for all.
Don't write off all bands that scream and try to justify it by saying that they all talk about being pissed at the world, because really a small percentage of bands that scream are. And don't calll them the new Metallica, they will never be them, there is only one Metallica so don't try to re-invent them with any band you like.

[Tillius]

Correct. They are much better than Metallica.

[Concubine]

Opinion

[SimonCore]

I think the best thing that ever happened to A7X was M. Shadows throat surgery. before that, i coudlnt even appreciate syns amazing guitar and the revs solid drumming because i could only focus on the clown with the gay scream. now that he actually sings, i think they are the best out there. i dont see how they are emo at all, in fact, they are very metal. im a complete metalhead and also a huge A7X fan. gay bands that scream are a dime a dozen, and im amazingly thankful that A7X came to their senses and dropped the juvenile "im pissed at the world so ill scream about it" attitude. their new songs have great meaning to them, amazing structure, and i wont be surprised if by 2010, they are where metallica was after master of puppets and ...and justice for all.

Well that's completly wrong about bands scream because they're pissed off at the world. A7X were never emo, and never will be. And IMO (and I know alot of other people agree with me here) Shadows clean vocals were better before surgery.

[Shadius]

Yeah... His clean vocals were better on WTF, but he's not a bad singer by any means now. I hope he improves for the next album, mind you. I don't mind that the screams have gone though, I like WtF about as much as CoE.

It's STST that's below quality due to recording, and Shadow's vocals are the worst they've been on there. Song structures and riffs are fairly cool tho.

[guitarizzle]

Shadows vocals are still kickass now.
Just take a look at this video that I, so kindly, uploaded for you guys.
Its them playing "To end the Rapture" and "Walk"

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N3OY4MMD

[DKMode]

Don't write off all bands that scream and try to justify it by saying that they all talk about being pissed at the world, because really a small percentage of bands that scream are. And don't calll them the new Metallica, they will never be them, there is only one Metallica so don't try to re-invent them with any band you like.
i never once said they are the "new metallica", i merely stated that at the rate they are going and with the resurging need for good, heavy music that is still accessible to non-metalheads, they may very well be in the same position that metallica were in back in the late 80s. i never once compared the 2 bands, and there certainly wont ever be a new metallica, but i find it quite refreshing to hear a band thats trying to change the music scene like metallica did almost 20 years ago. and also the majority of bands that do scream are pissed off at the world and feel screaming is the only way to show their aggression. there are other ways to show emotions other than screaming your head off, and A7X have proved this on CoE.

[i am the robots]

If any band is the "new Metallica," it's Godsmack, but they're just the watered down Metallica.

[DKMode]

If any band is the "new Metallica," it's Godsmack, but they're just the watered down Metallica.
you must be ****ting me!

[Drunken Viking]

i never once said they are the "new metallica", i merely stated that at the rate they are going and with the resurging need for good, heavy music that is still accessible to non-metalheads, they may very well be in the same position that metallica were in back in the late 80s. i never once compared the 2 bands, and there certainly wont ever be a new metallica, but i find it quite refreshing to hear a band thats trying to change the music scene like metallica did almost 20 years ago. and also the majority of bands that do scream are pissed off at the world and feel screaming is the only way to show their aggression. there are other ways to show emotions other than screaming your head off, and A7X have proved this on CoE.
So when you said "I wont be suprised if by 2011 they are the new Metallica", you didn't mean they were gonna be the new Metallica? I can name about 20 bands that scream and it's because they are just pissed off, screaming can add a whole new dimention to music and also fit better in some and a lot of cases then singing. Now for the bands, Lamb of God, Dying Fetus, In Flames, Mudvayne, Shadows Fall, Avenged Sevenfold, A Dozen Furies, Autopsy, Arch Enemy, Behemoth, Dillinger Escape Plan, Dark Tranquility, Soilwork, Killswitch Engage, Slayer, Opeth, Necrophagist, Nile, Cryptopsy, and Death.

[i am the robots]

you must be ****ting me!

You're right, Metallica is worse than Godsmack now, I mean after St. Anger.

[DKMode]

So when you said "I wont be suprised if by 2011 they are the new Metallica", you didn't mean they were gonna be the new Metallica? I can name about 20 bands that scream and it's because they are just pissed off, screaming can add a whole new dimention to music and also fit better in some and a lot of cases then singing. Now for the bands, Lamb of God, Dying Fetus, In Flames, Mudvayne, Shadows Fall, Avenged Sevenfold, A Dozen Furies, Autopsy, Arch Enemy, Behemoth, Dillinger Escape Plan, Dark Tranquility, Soilwork, Killswitch Engage, Slayer, Opeth, Necrophagist, Nile, Cryptopsy, and Death.
you must be some kind of retard, considering that in my first post i never said the words "new metallica", and you attacked me for it, then in my second post i restated that i never compared the 2, and your still finding me saying they are the new metallica. your an idiot. show me in either of my messages where i say that they are the new metallica. it doesnt happen. and my point was that screaming doesnt add anything to the music and most bands that scream suck, and by naming those bands, you just proved your point, considering they all suck (except A7X). the only good scream ever was mike patton, because he is unbelievable. and if i were actually going to compare avenged sevenfold to a band, it would be iron maiden, because its far easier to hear maidens influence on them than it is to hear metallicas. next time think before you put your foot in your mouth.

[I'm Charming]

you must be some kind of retard, considering that in my first post i never said the words "new metallica", and you attacked me for it, then in my second post i restated that i never compared the 2, and your still finding me saying they are the new metallica. your an idiot. show me in either of my messages where i say that they are the new metallica. it doesnt happen. and my point was that screaming doesnt add anything to the music and most bands that scream suck, and by naming those bands, you just proved your point, considering they all suck (except A7X). the only good scream ever was mike patton, because he is unbelievable. and if i were actually going to compare avenged sevenfold to a band, it would be iron maiden, because its far easier to hear maidens influence on them than it is to hear metallicas. next time think before you put your foot in your mouth.


Dude. Just shut the hell up.

and FTR.... Drunken Viking isn't an idiot. He's prolly the person who's most knowledable on MX about A7X.

[Drone]

OK, everyone play nice . :P

And for an on-topic post: Second Heartbeat is amazing! It along with Chapter Four are my two favorite Avenged Sevenfold songs.

[nowitzki]

you must be some kind of retard, considering that in my first post i never said the words "new metallica", and you attacked me for it, then in my second post i restated that i never compared the 2, and your still finding me saying they are the new metallica. your an idiot. show me in either of my messages where i say that they are the new metallica. it doesnt happen. and my point was that screaming doesnt add anything to the music and most bands that scream suck, and by naming those bands, you just proved your point, considering they all suck (except A7X). the only good scream ever was mike patton, because he is unbelievable. and if i were actually going to compare avenged sevenfold to a band, it would be iron maiden, because its far easier to hear maidens influence on them than it is to hear metallicas. next time think before you put your foot in your mouth.
Moron.

[AA-12]

Ahahahahahaha, DKMode is probably the dumbest person i've seen this year.

[i am the robots]

Ahahahahahaha, DKMode is probably the dumbest person i've seen this year.

Don't say that, we've got 8 months to go!

[AA-12]

/slams head into steel wall

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Yeah, Chapter Four is my favorite A7X song. Guess what my second favorite is. ;)

and Drunken Viking knows his **** about A7X. He constantly owns people who insist that they sold out with City Of Evil in the review for it.

[I'm Charming]

Don't say that, we've got 8 months to go!

True. He's got a rather large lead and it'll be tough to beat.
haha.

[i am the robots]

Chapter Four is really good, I love the layering of Matt's clean singing and screaming, it just sounds good.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Oh man I love Darkness Surrounding. I've had that song on all of today.

[imnotamusician]

all their songs are monotonous, its as if the whole album is one huge song with little breaks in it.

[i am the robots]

all their songs are monotonous, its as if the whole album is one huge song with little breaks in it.

Not really. There are just too many differences in the songs, and if it were to be put in as one track, it would seem a bit... oh say... non-structured [think early Opeth].

[alphamonkey]

all their songs are monotonous, its as if the whole album is one huge song with little breaks in it.

Each song is actually unique from the other...if you actually bother listen to the full song. I know where you're coming from though, but really that's a narrow-minded thought...you just gotta actually listen to each song, you'll hear the difference.

[Roo_bass]

and my point was that screaming doesnt add anything to the music and most bands that scream suck, and by naming those bands, you just proved your point, considering they all suck (except A7X)
You're a ****ing moron. Please consider what you are typing before you post.

On topic: Second Heartbeat was my favourite Avenged Sevenfold song, but then my band rehearsed it like 100 times at band practise which kind of made me tired of it.

[SimonCore]

I thought Zacky did the "give me your hand blood is spilt...." bit on Chapter fourI know he does live (and Syn aswell now) but in the studio was it him or Shadows?

[deathscreamingsheep]

It's Shadows. In fact Shadows does most of the vocals including backing on the albums.

[I'm Charming]

What's a good song to learn off of WTF?

Which are fun & easy?

[AA-12]

Remenissions = Most fun. Unholy Confessions is super fun too.

[I'm Charming]

Remenissions = Most fun. Unholy Confessions is super fun too.


I know the intro to Unholy Confessions, it's pretty well.

Any others?

I've thought about Clarvioant Desease or DTR?

[deathscreamingsheep]

Yeah pretty much anything of Waking the Fallen. I like the sound of IWSYT part 2.

[I'm Charming]

Yeah pretty much anything of Waking the Fallen. I like the sound of IWSYT part 2.

Which are the best to play? Fun/difficulty wise?

I think I could play anything off WTF, not sure on all the solos though.

[TurnTheOtherWay]

Chapter Four is fairly easy to learn, except for the solo. I've yet to get that down completely, but solos are my downfall.

[I'm Charming]

Chapter Four is fairly easy to learn, except for the solo. I've yet to get that down completely, but solos are my downfall.


I think I'll print several tabs off and just go with w/e I wind up liking.


I've listened to WTF for several years and played a bit over a couple years. I think I could play anything off WTF except maybe a few solos.

[DKMode]

Ahahahahahaha, DKMode is probably the dumbest person i've seen this year.
dumbest person youve seen this whole year, or so smart that your head just blew up???

[Drunken Viking]

you must be some kind of retard, considering that in my first post i never said the words "new metallica", and you attacked me for it, then in my second post i restated that i never compared the 2, and your still finding me saying they are the new metallica. your an idiot. show me in either of my messages where i say that they are the new metallica.it doesnt happen. and my point was that screaming doesnt add anything to the music and most bands that scream suck, and by naming those bands, you just proved your point, considering they all suck (except A7X). the only good scream ever was mike patton, because he is unbelievable. and if i were actually going to compare avenged sevenfold to a band, it would be iron maiden, because its far easier to hear maidens influence on them than it is to hear metallicas. next time think before you put your foot in your mouth.
Yeah, and I'm the retard.

Just go, before I'm forced to do this again.

And I'm Charming I'm tabbing out Chapter Four, which is the song I'd recommend, so if you wait a few days I can send it to you.

[Escher]

Yeah, and I'm the retard.

Just go, before I'm forced to do this again.

And I'm Charming I'm tabbing out Chapter Four, which is the song I'd recomend, so if you wait a few days I can send it to you.
cough

[I'm Charming]

Yeah, and I'm the retard.

Just go, before I'm forced to do this again.

And I'm Charming I'm tabbing out Chapter Four, which is the song I'd recomend, so if you wait a few days I can send it to you.


Okay. I started Desecrate Through Reverence this afternoon. It doesn't seem to hard. Love the song, so that makes it easier.

The lead riff after the intro is kinda tricky, but not hard. I got it down pretty well and should perfect over the next couple days.

I have several Chapter Four tabs out there which were rated 5 stars many a time.

I'll gladly accept your tab of it though. I'd like to maybe learn that as well.

[AA-12]

dumbest person youve seen this whole year, or so smart that your head just blew up???
GREATEST

COMEBACK

EVER

[I'm Charming]

GREATEST

COMEBACK

EVER


Josh > idiot

[AA-12]

Josh > idiot
are u shure or r u jst sayin that cuz ur head blew up hehehee