Avenged Sevenfold

[nowitzki]

Theres an documentary of the TRL performance on the official site, pretty cool.

[i am the robots]

Yeah, the same peole who don't like them for stuff like are the same kids who hate bands for being "fashioncore" which by definition has nothing to do with the music.

I DUN LIEK DA WAI TEHY LEWK, THER4 TEHY CNT B GUD!

[SimonCore]

I really can't see why the personality of the singer would effect someone's enjoyment of music.

I think it does. I did say they are still one of my favourite bands. It's just he keeps going on about how good he thinks they are and says there wasn't meant to be any screaming in COE which there was but he lost his voice.

[deathscreamingsheep]

To be fair a lot of bands say that they're really good.

[Arucard]

Pssh. He is abit of an arse, they all are.

Except if i get in a band that big, im not going to be tattooed that much.

[SimonCore]

To be fair a lot of bands say that they're really good.

Yeah but i dunno it's more the vibe you get when your reading his interviews.

[nowitzki]

To be fair, its often hard to judge someone after reading an interview. You don't know what their tone of voice/body language was at the time, so something said jokingly can really get taken out of context.
Still, whatever, it doesn't bother me at all. Phil Anselmo is an idiot, but Pantera are still one of my favourite bands.

[Tillius]

Yes, bands can joke. When I met Syn at Warped Tour, I was like "Dude, you're the greatest ****ing guitarist in the world." He looked at me and said "Yeah, I know.", and then he laughed and shook my hand and said he was just kidding. Now, if he had said something like that in a magazine article, then people probably would've thought he was being serious, therefore thinking he's just another arrogant guitarist.

[Drunken Viking]

Dude about the interview guy there was not supposed to be any screaming on CoE, M. Shadows has said numerous times that there wasn't because he felt that at first screaming set them apart from other bands, but now that everyone is screaming they are trying to jump ship.

[SimonCore]

Dude about the interview guy there was not supposed to be any screaming on CoE, M. Shadows has said numerous times that there wasn't because he felt that at first screaming set them apart from other bands, but now that everyone is screaming they are trying to jump ship.

Oh ok. But they did say in earlier intervies "Yeah originally we just wanted to be a harcore screamo band".

[kamiccollo]

Oh ok. But they did say in earlier intervies "Yeah originally we just wanted to be a harcore screamo band".


I read in a interview somewhere that they didnt want to be but felt pressured into having to conform to what people/scene expected.

[SimonCore]

Anyway. How long have they been covering walk?

[PIGS(1 different one)]

Can someone please explain why they like Avenged Sevenfold?

I have been trying to get into them for about 6 months now, occasionally putting on City of Evil and every time I put it on I have to turn it off.

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

It all sounds too fake.

And for the Pantera kiddies, walk sucks, the riffs are rubbish. And Pantera was never good in the first place.

[nowitzki]

Are you serious.... the most mainstream metal? True their songs often have catchy choruses, but the song structures are very complex and progressive compared to pretty much anything else you will hear on MTV etc, and a huge amount of the metal out today. They are very talented musicians making excellent music, and the fact that it also appeals to the mainstream is quite surprising.

And **** you, Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands of the 90s, and they have some of the most legendary riffs in metal. I'd like to hear you come up with a riff as cool as Cowboys from Hell.

[deathscreamingsheep]

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

It all sounds too fake.


I don't see how really.

[The_Riddler]

Wow, people are really critical with music. Like I said in my previous post, when I listen to Avenged Sevenfold, it just get me in the mood for harder metal and I start listening to something else.

There is nothing wrong with Avenged Sevenfold music, it (to me) is quite generic stuff. Sure they might have interesting guitar parts, but there is nothing really to pull me into their music like other metal bands seem to do easily.

I just need to give them more listens to, sill Sounding the Seventh Trumpet is my favorite of theirs.

[Shattered_Future]

Mainstream, maybe in the general sense, but fake I definately see where you are coming from. The album is horribly overproduced, especially the drums.

I still think that WTF is a terrific album, though. Some jawdropping solos on that album.

[SimonCore]

And for the Pantera kiddies, walk sucks, the riffs are rubbish. And Pantera was never good in the first place.

Oh shut up. Like you could come up with a riff that beats anything off 'Cowboys from hell'.

[Drunken Viking]

I that the producing makes the album what it is on CoE. Because of all the amazing sounds on drums it makes it sound great, if the drums were all loose and flat they would take away from the music. I don't see how the drums are overproduced, they sound the same way live as they do in the studio.

[SimonCore]

I that the producing makes the album what it is on CoE. Because of all the amazing sounds on drums it makes it sound great, if the drums were all loose and flat they would take away from the music. I don't see how the drums are overproduced, they sound the same way live as they do in the studio.

There's a major presence of 3 guitars in COE that they don't capture (obviously) when playing live. In the Beast and the Harlot, there are 4 in the intro and up to teh verse.

[Drunken Viking]

I said the drums not guitar's. And I think they capture it just fine live, the bass and drums hold a significant rythm section when the guitars are harmonized.

[SimonCore]

I said the drums not guitar's.

I know you did. I was simply moving the subject onwards.


I think they should stop covering walk now too many bands are doing it. They should play second heartbeat instead or Darkness Surrounding.

[kamiccollo]

I have been trying to get into them for about 6 months now, occasionally putting on City of Evil and every time I put it on I have to turn it off.

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

It all sounds too fake.




Try the other albums for me waking the fallen is the best of all 3 fr me.
The musicianship is great and thats also what makes me like A7X, its because its also interesting to listen to.

[nowitzki]

Absolutely love the production on CoE, I think its perfect.
I think they should stop covering walk now too many bands are doing it. They should play second heartbeat instead or Darkness Surrounding.
That is very true, I have personally seen at least 5-6 different bands cover it. Its not even one of Pantera's best songs IMO.

[Drunken Viking]

They should stop doing covers. But I am glad to hear they are doing some more stuff from STST, they didn't do any when they were here before.

[nowitzki]

What have they done from STST? Last time I heard they had just done To End The Rapture (which would be cool, but its only about a minute long).

[Drunken Viking]

He said they should do Second Heartbeat instead of Darkness Surrounding, and I was saying I'm glad they were doing Darkness Surrounding from STST.

[nowitzki]

He said they should play Second heartbeat or Darkness Surrounding :rolleyes:.

[Tillius]

Can someone please explain why they like Avenged Sevenfold?

I have been trying to get into them for about 6 months now, occasionally putting on City of Evil and every time I put it on I have to turn it off.

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

It all sounds too fake.

And for the Pantera kiddies, walk sucks, the riffs are rubbish. And Pantera was never good in the first place.
Okay, many people have replied to you, but I haven't, and I feel obligated to do so.

I will name every member of the band, and why they are talented, and then put it all together to help it make sense to you.

M. Shadows-Okay, while this guy isn't singing like he did in the chorus of Strength of the World, his voice is amazing. He can hit great notes in the songs he tries to do so in, and when he is screaming/did scream, his scream also happened to be awesome.

Synyster Gates-Okay. This guy is one of the most talented guitarists around right now. He creates some incredible riffs. Have you ever listened to Second Heartbeat on Waking the Fallen? Ever listened to the solo he plays at the end of it. If you say that isn't talent, I would like you to do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ***, realize you're a moron, and then proceed to learn that solo. Also, ever listened to his live solo for Darkness Surrounding? See bolded sentence. Just about every solo that he does is pure talent.

Zacky Vengeance-While not as talented as Syn, this guy is also one hell of a guitarist. First off, to be left handed and that good at the guitar is a rarity in the first place, and with what he can do, I seriously doubt you can deny the skills there.

Johnny Christ-This guy is an awesome bassist. I've heard stuff where it's just his bass riffs, and, once again, if you haven't heard them, I'd like you to see the bolded sentence once more.

The Rev-Okay, please do not try to say anything bad about the Rev's drumming talent. If you do, you are a moron. If you say he's off cue with the rest of the band, as many like you do, then please explain what songs this is in.

Now, put all of that together, and you will now realize why people like Avenged Sevenfold. They're not trying to be anything that they're not, that's just the kinda stuff they like to do. Now, if you want to come into a thread and insult the band that the thread is about in the first place, then please come in here with something to say besides this is mainstream metal for idiots. That would be greatly appreciated.

[Bat_Country]

Okay, many people have replied to you, but I haven't, and I feel obligated to do so.

I will name every member of the band, and why they are talented, and then put it all together to help it make sense to you.

M. Shadows-Okay, while this guy isn't singing like he did in the chorus of Strength of the World, his voice is amazing. He can hit great notes in the songs he tries to do so in, and when he is screaming/did scream, his scream also happened to be awesome.

Synyster Gates-Okay. This guy is one of the most talented guitarists around right now. He creates some incredible riffs. Have you ever listened to Second Heartbeat on Waking the Fallen? Ever listened to the solo he plays at the end of it. If you say that isn't talent, I would like you to do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ***, realize you're a moron, and then proceed to learn that solo. Also, ever listened to his live solo for Darkness Surrounding? See bolded sentence. Just about every solo that he does is pure talent.

Zacky Vengeance-While not as talented as Syn, this guy is also one hell of a guitarist. First off, to be left handed and that good at the guitar is a rarity in the first place, and with what he can do, I seriously doubt you can deny the skills there.

Johnny Christ-This guy is an awesome bassist. I've heard stuff where it's just his bass riffs, and, once again, if you haven't heard them, I'd like you to see the bolded sentence once more.

The Rev-Okay, please do not try to say anything bad about the Rev's drumming talent. If you do, you are a moron. If you say he's off cue with the rest of the band, as many like you do, then please explain what songs this is in.

Now, put all of that together, and you will now realize why people like Avenged Sevenfold. They're not trying to be anything that they're not, that's just the kinda stuff they like to do. Now, if you want to come into a thread and insult the band that the thread is about in the first place, then please come in here with something to say besides this is mainstream metal for idiots. That would be greatly appreciated.

Sir, i think i love you

:-*

[SimonCore]

What y'all think about The Rev and Syn's other band Pinkly smooth?

[NymphetamineX]

What y'all think about The Rev and Syn's other band Pinkly smooth?

I heard a little bit by them. It was unlike anything I expected, completely different from A7x. Pinkly Smooth sounds kinda good, but I didn't really get into them on the first listen.

[669 the neighbor of the beast]

love the new album makes me smile

[nowitzki]

What y'all think about The Rev and Syn's other band Pinkly smooth?
I really like the songs on the myspace site, it seems difficult to get hold of the EP though, and it seems unlikely they will record any more in the near future.

[669 the neighbor of the beast]

Can someone please explain why they like Avenged Sevenfold?

I have been trying to get into them for about 6 months now, occasionally putting on City of Evil and every time I put it on I have to turn it off.

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

It all sounds too fake.

And for the Pantera kiddies, walk sucks, the riffs are rubbish. And Pantera was never good in the first place.
wow! how is A7F a mainstream metal. the guitars ar nothing like the "mainstream" like seether and godsmack,and all the other "mainstreaners" . Well' I not even going in to the pantera coment. cowboys from hell CD is one of the greatest of all time.

[AA-12]

It's quite obviously this band is playing the most mainstream metal the world has ever seen, this is metal for idiots who don't know real metal.

I completely disagree here. I listen to tons of real metal, and include them in the genre. I listen to them because they are all talented, the music is very original and sounds like nothing else, and every song they make is very different from the next. I also really love the lyrics.

[Britton]

I forgot to tell ya'll


I got my new Vox ValveTronix! I've been playing tons of A7X and it's sounding awsome. It's incredible what A good amp can do for you

[SimonCore]

I forgot to tell ya'll


I got my new Vox ValveTronix! I've been playing tons of A7X and it's sounding awsome. It's incredible what A good amp can do for you

Yeah I know what you mean. You got any recordings boss?

[Tillius]

Sir, i think i love you

:-*
:-*

[SimonCore]

Did anyone watch A7X on TRL (i watched it on youtube) they opened with half of 'To end the rapture'.

[NytestrykerZ]

A7X reminds me of what Metal should sound like today. :thumb:

[SimonCore]

A7X reminds me of what Metal should sound like today. :thumb:

Maybe Waking the Fallen, but COE nah. I'd rather only them sounded like that i don't think i'd want all my favourite bands to suond like that. Don't judge me though i think COE is a great album.

[nowitzki]

Who's played the stripper game on the Beast and the Harlot mini-site? :cool:

[SimonCore]

Who's played the stripper game on the Beast and the Harlot mini-site? :cool:

I have!

[Arucard]

Whos going to see them on Wednesday :cool:

[nowitzki]

Yup :cool:

[Arucard]

I'll probably have to buy you a beer mate ha.

[nowitzki]

Cool cool, I'm thinking about heading into Notts a couple of hours early to get some drinks before the show.

[Arucard]

Yah, i definatly am because i dont really care for the support.

[SimonCore]

^^ I would have been going but i don't have enough money. I got Trivium the same week then InFlames the week after! Then I gotta save up for Download!

[Arucard]

I was in the pub bitching about how gay download is now with this guy.

It was the most involved conversation i've had whilst drunk before.

[nowitzki]

I'll be going to Download for sure, will have to start saving after A7X.

I'm pretty happy with the lineup so far, true there are some crappy bands on there but thats the same every year. Tool being there is reason enough for me to go anyway.

[Arucard]

Tool being there is reason enough for me to hang myself in boredom.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I'm seeing these guys next Sunday =]. Its the night before my Art GCSE though so I'm gonna be ****ed.

Tool being there is reason enough for me to hang myself in boredom.
Fag.

I'll be going to Download for sure, will have to start saving after A7X.

I'm pretty happy with the lineup so far, true there are some crappy bands on there but thats the same every year. Tool being there is reason enough for me to go anyway.
Yeah but Guns N Roses and Korn etc. are there which cancels out Tool. I'm going to Leeds for Tool and Muse =D.

[Arucard]

And i'm gonna go Wacken for real metal.

[Six Foot Revolver]

And i'm gonna go Wacken for real metal.
Yeah but I'm a fag so I'm going to the pop festival.

[SimonCore]

Are Sevenfol rumoured to be at Download?

[nowitzki]

I'd say its looking quite likely, they are playing other European festivals around that time and opening for Metallica a few days earlier: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=49050

[2muchket!]

I'm new to A7X what albums can you recomend to me ???

[nowitzki]

Waking The Fallen and City of Evil are both excellent, yet very different.
WTF has more of a metalcore influence, and a lot of the vocals are screamed, whereas CoE is more influenced by classic and power metal, with just clean vocals.

[2muchket!]

i know about the vocal differences due to a popped blood vessel or something

[guitarizzle]

I can't stop listening to "Beast and the Harlot" right now. It reminds me of "Judas Rising" everytime I listen to it

[SimonCore]

That one riff in Betrayed after the second chorus (i think) reminds me so much of Guns'n'Roses. anyone else agree.

[Mr_Bounce]

I was just listening to City of Evil and I felt the need to come in here and point out how amazing it is and how shocking it was to hear it after A7X's previous music.

/cya :D

[SimonCore]

I was just listening to City of Evil and I felt the need to come in here and point out how amazing it is and how shocking it was to hear it after A7X's previous music.

/cya :D

Shocking at how bad you think it is?

[Mr_Bounce]

How good it is :O

[SimonCore]

How good it is :O

No that's now what i meant. And for the record I like all of A7X's albums very much. But it sounds like you don't like the old stuff?

[Drunken Viking]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[SimonCore]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

not liking the old stuff is yeah! Lot liking the knew stuff i can undestand though.

[Drunken Viking]

Why can't he not like the old stuff, it took me a very long time to get into that after hearing CoE. Today I still prefer City Of Evil to Waking The Fallen.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I liked STST and City of Evil when I heard them first, but it took me ages to get into Waking the Fallen.

[Mr_Bounce]

Yeah. The old stuff was little too much of the "core" and not enough of the "metal"--so to speak--for me.

[SimonCore]

I liked STST and City of Evil when I heard them first, but it took me ages to get into Waking the Fallen.

For me, WTF was instant lovelingness. COE took me a little while to adjust to the knew sound. At first STST i didn't really like, but then it grew on me over time and now i love it!

[i am the robots]

I love STST and WTF off the bat (lawl, A7X demonbat!11), City of Evil was the same, but I got sick of it.

[SimonCore]

I'm pretty bored of WTF and even COE now because i've outlistened them. But STST i like alot now. But soon it'll be boring. Then i'll need them to make another album quickly before i go inasane!

[nowitzki]

A7x tomorrow, can't wait.

[Britton]

A7x tomorrow, can't wait.


I'll be expecting photos and a big review

[nowitzki]

Don't have a camera, but the review I can take care of.

[Britton]

Don't have a camera, but the review I can take care of.


Awesome

I think I'll be able to see them in a month or so when they come here

[deathscreamingsheep]

A7X on Saturday. Gonna be jokes.

[Arucard]

Sevenfold tonight. So many emo fags i know going who i'm going to decimate in the pit.

6ft3 spin kicker > emo fags

[Shadius]

Sevenfold tonight. So many emo fags i know going who i'm going to decimate in the pit.

6ft3 spin kicker > emo fags

You're so tough.

[Tomlinson V.2]

Sevenfold tonight. So many emo fags i know going who i'm going to decimate in the pit.

6ft3 spin kicker > emo fags

hardass

[Twisted Demon]

Can't wait to hear the setlist - i'm at manchester on sunday to see them :)

Have fun everyone whos seeing them in Nottingham tonight :)

[Arucard]

Yeh man im so tough and strong.

I'm gonna wear a Lakers shirt too. And some other thing that might constitute toughness.

yeh

[SimonCore]

I can guess the Set list:

1.Chapter four
2.Burn it down
3.Beast and the harlot
4.Trashed and scattered
5.I won't see you tonight part 1
6.Strength of the world
7.To End the rapture
8.Walk
9.Unholly confessions
10.Bat country

[Drunken Viking]

Is that what they played by your hometown?

[SimonCore]

Is that what they played by your hometown?

I saw them before COE and they played:

1.Chapter Four
2.Burn it down
3.Beast and the Harlot
4.Trashed and Scattered
5.Eternal Rest
6.Blinded in chains
7.Bat Country
8.I won't see you tonight prt 1
9.Unholly Confessions

[Drunken Viking]

When was this, when they were promoting CoE before it came out?

[SimonCore]

When was this, when they were promoting CoE before it came out?

About two weeks before it was released in the UK. TBH it was quite a boring show seen as i didn't know the COE songs back then. The highlights were the WTF fallen song apart from Eternal rest because it was perhaps the worst they've ever played it. And Syn messed up the solo.

[Drunken Viking]

Syn messed up part of Bat Country when he was here, it was time for his mini solo and when it went to him it was silence, then he managed to get out 2 notes and bend em but everyone was just staring at him and he was like ohh.

[SimonCore]

Syn messed up part of Bat Country when he was here, it was time for his mini solo and when it went to him it was silence, then he managed to get out 2 notes and bend em but everyone was just staring at him and he was like ohh.

Lol. What was there whole set?

[Drunken Viking]

I don't know, but from what I can remeber it was something like this

In no particular order
Second Heatbeat
Chapter Four
Unholy Confessions
Beast and The Harlot
Burn It Down
Bat Country
5 min of Syn shreding
The Wicked End
Strength Of The World
Eternal Rest
MIA

All I can remeber was they started with Second Heartbeat and ended with MIA.

[SimonCore]

I don't know, but from what I can remeber it was something like this

In no particular order
Second Heatbeat
Chapter Four
Unholy Confessions
Beast and The Harlot
Burn It Down
Bat Country
5 min of Syn shreding
The Wicked End
Strength Of The World
Eternal Rest
MIA

All I can remeber was they started with Second Heartbeat and ended with MIA.

Did you see them at the Astoria by any chance?

[Drunken Viking]

No I live in CO. I saw them at Gothic Theater here, right next to the ghetto, it was some scary **** getting there.

[Britton]

Yeh man im so tough and strong.

I'm gonna wear a Lakers shirt too. And some other thing that might constitute toughness.

yeh


My spurs beat the crap outta your lakers the other night. only to lose to the clips last night.

I'm ordering my tickets for A7X in a day or two

[Drunken Viking]

When are you gonna see 'em, I think it's like a day or two before they come to CO on the 21st of April. I think me and Tillius were discussing that a while ago.

[Britton]

I am seeing them

Tue/Apr-18 San Antonio, TX - TBA

it's gonna be cool

I missed them when they played in austin about a month and a half ago

[Drunken Viking]

I'm lucky that they aren't coming to CO on a school night, my mom wouldn't let me go. :(

[Britton]

I'm lucky that they aren't coming to CO on a school night, my mom wouldn't let me go. :(


I'm gonna buy the tickets but I'm not entirely sure if I'm going. I want to take this girl but if she can't go then I'm not gonna go either.

I guess I'll end up selling them for twice what I piad for them...or I'll just keep them for whatever reason.

[nowitzki]

I can guess the Set list:

1.Chapter four
2.Burn it down
3.Beast and the harlot
4.Trashed and scattered
5.I won't see you tonight part 1
6.Strength of the world
7.To End the rapture
8.Walk
9.Unholly confessions
10.Bat country
That is actaully the exact setlist we got tonight (not in the same order though).
The performance was amazing as expected, however I was actaully very disappointed with the length of the set. Seeing as they cancelled their last UK tour, and they came on stage at 8pm I was hoping that maybe they might play a bit longer for us.
Still a good show, but I was quite disappointed at not hearing Second Heartbeat, M.I.A, Eternal Rest, Reminissions, Sieze The Day etc. 1 hour and 5 minutes is way to short.

[Drunken Viking]

Who else was there, supporting?

[nowitzki]

I didn't see the first support band, the second were a hard rock band Bullets and Octane. They were OK, not very original though.
Thinking about it, A7x's performance was amazing, they really did play awesome, it just seemed far too short. Considering they were the only headliner, and virtually everyone there had gone just to see them, 1 hour just didn't seem enough.

[SimonCore]

I didn't see the first support band, the second were a hard rock band Bullets and Octane. They were OK, not very original though.
Thinking about it, A7x's performance was amazing, they really did play awesome, it just seemed far too short. Considering they were the only headliner, and virtually everyone there had gone just to see them, 1 hour just didn't seem enough.

What venue was it?

[nowitzki]

Rock City in Nottingham.
I've actually found out today that they had to finish early so they wouldn't miss their flight to Dublin (where they are playing tonight). Can't really argue with that I suppose.

[i am the robots]

I'm just curious: why the Hell doesn't the Rev just scream for the live shows?

[SimonCore]

Rock City in Nottingham.
I've actually found out today that they had to finish early so they wouldn't miss their flight to Dublin (where they are playing tonight). Can't really argue with that I suppose.

Is that a big venue? Or does it have different stages?

I'm just curious: why the Hell doesn't the Rev just scream for the live shows?

Because Shadows would hardly be performing in the WTF songs. And He can't play the drums for most of the parts and scream as the drums are too complicated.

[nowitzki]

Is that a big venue? Or does it have different stages?
The main hall holds about 2000. Then theres 2 other rooms that are smaller.

[SimonCore]

The main hall holds about 2000. Then theres 2 other rooms that are smaller.

Where did sevenfold play?

[i am the robots]

Because Shadows would hardly be performing in the WTF songs. And He can't play the drums for most of the parts and scream as the drums are too complicated.

I guess the first reason makes sense, but the second, not so much, I mean, listen to the first Killswitch Engage album, Adam was on drums and he did a lot of backing screams.

[SimonCore]

I guess the first reason makes sense, but the second, not so much, I mean, listen to the first Killswitch Engage album, Adam was on drums and he did a lot of backing screams.

Still, he ain't gonna scream.

[Drunken Viking]

I guess the first reason makes sense, but the second, not so much, I mean, listen to the first Killswitch Engage album, Adam was on drums and he did a lot of backing screams.
But he didn't record both at the same time. And he wasn't that good a drummer.

[SimonCore]

But he didn't record both at the same time. And he wasn't that good a drummer.

Yeah the Rev is well good on drums. And the beats are far too complicate for him to play and scream well at the same time. Plus Shadows would be just standing there looking lost.

[deathscreamingsheep]

He does do screaming in songs like Eternal Rest where there's a backing screamer person but I think the real reason is that Shadows is a very active front man and would probably prefer not to just stand there for most of the WTF songs.

[SimonCore]

He does do screaming in songs like Eternal Rest where there's a backing screamer person but I think the real reason is that Shadows is a very active front man and would probably prefer not to just stand there for most of the WTF songs.

Yeah that's what i'd been saying. I dunno what i'd prefer really, i suppose it doesn't matter when your actually at the show.

[Drone]

I would prefer Shadows singing the WTF songs over the drummer screaming them and Shadows standing there. I do enjoy the screaming on that album and it really gets me pumped up, but the loss of screaming has not made that much of a difference for me.

[Drunken Viking]

Me too, part of the reason I'm there is to see Shadows perform, and if he's not singing in my eye's he's not performing. So it would kinda bum me out.

[SimonCore]

I hope they come to UK again soon. I'm so bumed i couldn't make this tour:angry:

[Drunken Viking]

I don't think so in the next 3 or 4 months. They were just there and they have been touring for almost a year so I expect they are gonna take a break.

[guitarizzle]

I don't think so in the next 3 or 4 months. They were just there and they have been touring for almost a year so I expect they are gonna take a break.

"Our touring for this new record will not stop until around Feb. of 2007. We have some amazing European dates in June. Then we will be out all summer in the USA, Japan and Australia. Hopefully, by September we get back up to Canada and then do it all again. Nothing is set in stone, but the point being, we are planning on playing for everyone by 2007 at least twice. The european and summer dates aren't announced yet so I can't get into specifics." - Shadows

[Drunken Viking]

****, I had no idea.

[nowitzki]

That makes Download festival seem pretty certain :)

[SimonCore]

That makes Download festival seem pretty certain :)

Please God please make them come to download on saturday!

[Twisted Demon]

Please GOD make the snow stop - I ain't getting to Manchester in this weather!! Sooooooooooo gutted!

[SimonCore]

Please GOD make the snow stop - I ain't getting to Manchester in this weather!! Sooooooooooo gutted!

You seeing them tonight?

[Twisted Demon]

Im supposed to be doing, but its snwoing and the roads are covered where I am! Got a like 1hr 30min drive to get there! :(

I'll walk if I have to!

[SimonCore]

^Get the train?

[Twisted Demon]

Could do - the last one I could get would mean me leaving the gig early the probs. The snow is clearing abit now though *fingers crossed*

[deathscreamingsheep]

Just saw Sevenfold at the Astoria. They were good but not as good as the last Astoria show (the one off one). Also, I don't think they played long enough. The support bands played short sets (Bullets and Octane were alright live) and then Sevenfold only played for just over an hour so the gig finished at 9:30. I ended up just going on a pub crawl.

[SimonCore]

Just saw Sevenfold at the Astoria. They were good but not as good as the last Astoria show (the one off one). Also, I don't think they played long enough. The support bands played short sets (Bullets and Octane were alright live) and then Sevenfold only played for just over an hour so the gig finished at 9:30. I ended up just going on a pub crawl.

1.Chapter four
2.Burn it down
3.To end the rapture
4.Beast and the harlot
5.Trashed and scattered
6.I won't see you tonight prt 1
7.Strength if the world
8.Walk
9.Unholly confessions
10.Bat Country

Was that the set?

[deathscreamingsheep]

Yeah but in a different order.

1. Chapter four.
2. Beast and the Harlot.
3. Burn it Down.
4. Walk.
5. I won't see you tonight part 1.
6. Trashed and scattered.
7. To End the Rapture.
8. Unholy Confessions.
ENCORE
9. Strength of the World.
10. Bat country.

Chapter Four was utterly terrible though: whoever was sound engineer for that night should have been shot. The band played it well, but the sound levels were awful.

[SimonCore]

Yeah but in a different order.

1. Chapter four.
2. Beast and the Harlot.
3. Burn it Down.
4. Walk.
5. I won't see you tonight part 1.
6. Trashed and scattered.
7. To End the Rapture.
8. Unholy Confessions.
ENCORE
9. Strength of the World.
10. Bat country.

Chapter Four was utterly terrible though: whoever was sound engineer for that night should have been shot. The band played it well, but the sound levels were awful.

When I saw them it was horrendous aswell. You couldn't hear Shadows at all.

[deathscreamingsheep]

I could hear Shadows after Beast and the Harlot so that was ok.

[SimonCore]

Is anyone else annoyed that they now play Bat country last?

[Drunken Viking]

It's there most popular song so it makes sence that they would do it for an encore.

[deathscreamingsheep]

It's not my favourite of their songs but they do it well live, plus it's their most popular song.

I was surprised that they did Beast and the Harlot second though as it's their current single.

[SimonCore]

It's not my favourite of their songs but they do it well live, plus it's their most popular song.

I was surprised that they did Beast and the Harlot second though as it's their current single.

I'm not that suprised really. BatH is a good opener.

[nowitzki]

Bands will usually do something popular early on to get the crowd going. Bat Country may be their most popular, but I think something like Unholy Confessions would work much better as a closer.

[SimonCore]

Bands will usually do something popular early on to get the crowd going. Bat Country may be their most popular, but I think something like Unholy Confessions would work much better as a closer.

Yeah that has gotta be the best closing option. It's there popular songs to the non-mtv fans and it's a good mosh anthem so everyone goes nuts.

[nowitzki]

Nothing better than a nice breakdown to finish a set.

[SimonCore]

Nothing better than a nice breakdown to finish a set.
yup yup. I think the opening song has to be heavy becayuse there's nothing like a fresh mosh pit!

[deathscreamingsheep]

God I can't get that Bullets and Octane song 'Pirates' out of my head now after the gig.

Ya-dah-daah- ya-dee-ya-da-daah-ya-da-da-dee-ya-dee-ya

[Scoot]

Ehh, Sevenfold are adequate. They're getting to be overhyped now though.

[guitarizzle]

http://www.musicdispatch.com/item_detail.jsp?itemid=690820&order=0&catcode=00&refer=search&type=product&keywords=city+of+evil

[Scoot]

It said they were heavy metal. :p

[deathscreamingsheep]

They are heavy metal. What other genre would they be?

[nowitzki]

Yeah, I don't see how you could argue that, unless it was a STST tab book.

[Tillius]

When I saw them it was horrendous aswell. You couldn't hear Shadows at all.
Glad to know I wasn't the only one.

[Britton]

I think Beast and the harlot would be a great opener.


and Strengh of the world should be a closer.

so anyway...I'm not sure I'm gonna get to see the boys when they come :(

[i am the robots]

It said they were heavy metal. :p

Well they pretty much are. They could go more specific and say prog/power metal, omfg!!1

If it was the first two then it would be more accurate to say metalcore, but heavy metal would work too...

[Scoot]

I'd just say they were metal and leave it at that.

[SimonCore]

Glad to know I wasn't the only one.

When and where did you see them?

[rockgod90]

hey like waaaaaaay back in this forum someone posted a link to some french website with videos and stuff but i cant find it. could someone post a link?

[Drunken Viking]

http://www.cityofevil.net

[Tillius]

When and where did you see them?
I saw them January at the Corpus Christi Amphitheatre.

[Drunken Viking]

How do you guys like the new Q&A thing on their website, pretty sweet eh.

I'm getting the Beast and Harlot DVD single, my name's in the booklet. :)

[pep]

Hey i found out a funny thing lol, check at 6:35 or something like that on betrayed a guy laughs, check it out.

[guitarizzle]

Hey i found out a funny thing lol, check at 6:35 or something like that on betrayed a guy laughs, check it out.

That would be Shadows laughing. Was that your first time listening to 'Betrayed'?

[pep]

Nope, it actually was my favorite song until i heard beast and harlot. I just hadnt payed enough attention i think.

Actually i also heard laughs on hangar 18 by megadeth, but no one else heard them.

[moshbaby]

:D i saw A7X last night in birmingham! THEY ROCKED!

[nowitzki]

Can you remember the setlist?

[SimonCore]

:D i saw A7X last night in birmingham! THEY ROCKED!

Bah. I couldn't afford to go to that gig but i was gonna go! (if i didn' owe my parents £50. ah well Triviums making up for it on Friday). Ironicly i was in birmingham yesterday, school trip to the faraday "emission impossible" lecture. Worst hour of my life tbh:mad:

[moshbaby]

cnt remember the set list lol i was pissed and gettin off wif randoms
omg so jelous i wnted 2 go c trivium but they wer sold out :( neva mind! hav fun!
XXX

[SimonCore]

cnt remember the set list lol i was pissed and gettin off wif randoms
omg so jelous i wnted 2 go c trivium but they wer sold out :( neva mind! hav fun!
XXX

Can you remember ANY of the songs? Like the opener and the closer or encore perhaps?

[Tillius]

I wanna go see Trivium.
:(

[nowitzki]

I might have gone to see them in Nottingham if it hadn't sold out, but I'll be seeing them at Download and supporting Maiden, so I can live with that (I saw them twice last year as well anyway).

[SimonCore]

^lol four times. That band needs to stop touring.

[nowitzki]

Some bands just seem to turn up everywhere. Slipknot and Breed 77 I have both seen 3 times, even though I'm not really a big fan of either.

[hybridreality]

:D i saw A7X last night in birmingham! THEY ROCKED!
I was at that gig, damn tight at the front.

Setlist (as far as i can remember) was:
Chapter Four
Beast and the Harlot
Burn it Down
To End The Rapture
Walk (Pantera Cover)
I Won't See You Tonight (Part 1)
Paradise City/Unholy Confessions
*Encore*
Strength of the World
Bat Country

I'm sure I missed some out, and probably got the order wrong, but it was something like that.

[nowitzki]

Yeah thats the same set we got in Nottingham

[hybridreality]

^Was it Bullets and Octane supporting there? They were awesome.

[SimonCore]

That set ain't to good really. IMO it's essential that they include Second Heartbeat. And MIA would be good (i only like that song live). They should play Darkness surrounding and more Waking the fallen. Most of the set is just the COE album.

[nowitzki]

Yeah Bullets and Octane supported. They were alright, I found them a bit generic though.

That set ain't to good really. IMO it's essential that they include Second Heartbeat. And MIA would be good (i only like that song live). They should play Darkness surrounding and more Waking the fallen. Most of the set is just the COE album.
I agree.

[SimonCore]

hybridreality-

Did you by any chance see them *(a7x) at the wulfrun hall in june?

[Drunken Viking]

They are trying to promote CoE so it makes sence, but I agree I would like to see somemore WTF. And don't worry about the setlist, they are gonna tour till 2007 so they'll change it up a bit.

[Britton]

They are trying to promote CoE so it makes sence, but I agree I would like to see somemore WTF. And don't worry about the setlist, they are gonna tour till 2007 so they'll change it up a bit.


Yea they'll tour off this one for quite a while.

We had our new drummer practice with us the other day. He hadn't heard of A7X and one of our favorite cover songs is unholy confessions...so we popped it in there for him to listen to...he heard it a couple times then played it and it sounded pretty good.

[Drunken Viking]

Nice, Unholy Confessions has some of the easier A7X drum parts.

[Britton]

Yea I know but it was still impressive.

[SimonCore]

My band can do alot of sevenfold come to think of it. End the rapture, Unholly confessions, Chapter four, Second heartbeat....it's all extremly fun.

[semi]

I saw Avenged Yesterday and that last setlist seems correct as far as i remember. It seemed like they didnt play much. Only about an hour, but thats meant to be because of shadows voice and he can't sing for long. I didnt expect them to play pantera even though shadows had a dimebag flag and belt buckle when he came on and it reminded me of Trivium playing pantera covers when i saw them. I wanted them to play second heartbeat and knew it would be impossible that they would play sidewinder (the one with the flamenco at the end) but I love that too.
Then afterwards we hung around with the support bands. We just ended up talking to the guitarist from bullets and octane ,that thought he was slash, for ages. Then the first support and roadies as they loaded the gear into the vans. We took them across the road and got them fish and chips then to complete the scottish experience irn bru .
Then ages later Avenged came out one by one. Shadows came out first with a skateboard for some reason. Someone asked if he skates and he said "I eat ****" and laughed then "I suck at skateboarding dude" I dunno if he was planning to skate the 1m from the door to the bus or what because it isnt really a great venue to be skating inside. later Syn came out and walked straight past us and said he's just coming back. The rest all came out after a bit and we nagged them to tell syn to come out too. They must have talked to him cos he came out and said its cold but since you waited in the cold too. I got all their signatures and a photo with each. They seemed like alright people without the makeup and crap, not too arrogant.

[nowitzki]

Wow, thats cool. Post photos if you like :thumb:

[semi]

I don't have them yet they weren't my cameras and i need to get them emailed. I will post photos once i get them however. Also I "caught" one of Zacky's picks. Its yellow and has the little skullbat on it. It fell behind me and I didn't even realise he had threw them. So I saw some people looking for it and realsied and found it right in front of me. Also a drumstick from bullets and octane fell right in front of me and I also didnt realise till I saw one of my friends who is a really tiny girl holding it and everyone was still looking for it. When they found out one of them was so pissed off and looked like he was considering taking it off her but i kinda stood there and looked menacing. He was shouting how can the shortest person here catch it at least you could have. Im pretty tall so if i payed attention I would have actually caught the stuff cos it fell so close to me. I really want to catch a pick properly just once.

[SimonCore]

Bull**** I saw them in their one off Astoria show before this tour and they played for much longer.

Yeah wasnt that like a 20 song set? And he can sing for at least two hours a day he said in an interview.

[semi]

I don't actually know how long they played. I said it felt like an hour and someone said about that probably. 3 bands and they finished at like half 10. Looking at that setlist it looks right but im saying it doesnt seem like it was that long it seemed like an hour. Its probably just me but everyone said it felt pretty short for some reason.

[deathscreamingsheep]

No it was short seriously. Just over an hour which is why some people (including me) are kind of disgruntled because I've seen them in the one off Astoria show where the set list was longer and also included MIA, Unholy Confessions, Wicked End, Blinded in Chains and Eternal Rest.

[Arucard]

Nice, Unholy Confessions has some of the easier A7X drum parts.

Getting the fills in the right places = gay.

Seriously, because the beats are basically thrash in the intro, even putting the straight snare fills in pisses me off.

[SimonCore]

No it was short seriously. Just over an hour which is why some people (including me) are kind of disgruntled because I've seen them in the one off Astoria show where the set list was longer and also included MIA, Unholy Confessions, Wicked End, Blinded in Chains and Eternal Rest.

They did play unholly confessions didn't they on this tour? And they should stop doing walk! Do eternal rest or something older instead:@

[nowitzki]

They did play unholly confessions didn't they on this tour? And they should stop doing walk! Do eternal rest or something older instead:@
Yeah they did play Unholy Confessions, but we didn't get the others mentioned, or Second Heartbeat which was disappointing.

[SimonCore]

Yeah they did play Unholy Confessions, but we didn't get the others mentioned, or Second Heartbeat which was disappointing.

I'm sorta glad i didn't go. Not worth spending that much money. And btw i'm not talking about just the ticket it;s transport and merchandise and stuff.

[Britton]

I'm still trying to find out if I'm going. I should get a answer soon. But to tell the truth...I really am not gonna be dissapointed if I miss them this time around.

[SimonCore]

I'm still trying to find out if I'm going. I should get a answer soon. But to tell the truth...I really am not gonna be dissapointed if I miss them this time around.

Yeah that's the vibe going round. Hopefully they're playing at Download then they'll have a better set probably 'cause they'll be intimidated by all the metalheads and play there old heavier stuff...i hope. But then again emo fags such as Aiden are there:angry:

[Tillius]

Anybody heard of the contest of making the video promoting the Avenged Sevenfold/Coheed and Cambria tour?

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah, it sounds really gay. A chance for all the emos to piss off america.


I just bought the CoE tab book, it's sweet.

[semi]

um we asked Avenged if they are playing download and they all said yes. They all said its hush hush and we're not allowed to say anything wink wink. but my friend was saying "download tickets are 140 and I dunno if I can go but only if you guys are playing I'm buying a ticket." Syn said "well you buy a ticket" and my friend hugged him. The rest said they aren't allowed to say but yes. They can say yes probably because we are just random people that no-one actually has to believe, but its not officially confirmed yet. Sure they might change their minds later but iv'e got all the confirmation I need. If you want to believe me then it is confirmed they will be playing download.

[Happy]

I just bought the CoE tab book, it's sweet.
Where'd you get that?

Semi, if that's stories true, I've just creamed. I hope they play Saturday.

[semi]

um we asked Avenged if they are playing download and they all said yes. They all said its hush hush and we're not allowed to say anything wink wink. but my friend was saying "download tickets are 140 and I dunno if I can go but only if you guys are playing I'm buying a ticket." Syn said "well you buy a ticket" and my friend hugged him. The rest said they aren't allowed to say but yes. They can say yes probably because we are just random people that no-one actually has to believe, but its not officially confirmed yet. Sure they might change their minds later but iv'e got all the confirmation I need. If you want to believe me then it is confirmed they will be playing download.

[nowitzki]

efestivals.co.uk has them as "to be confirmed" now, they are playing.

[Britton]

I haven't heard of the contest...where can I learn about it? My brother is into making videos and he's pretty good at it.

Also where did you get the tab book? *wants it*

I hope they start playing some of their older stuff. I heard on the last tour they practically played 3 songs off WTF and everything off COE

[Happy]

I just checked on Ebay. COE tab books for $18-22 & Postage and Packaging. Plus they don't ship to England :(
I need to find somewhere better.

[nowitzki]

Has anyone bought the Beast and the Harlot single? I wonder how the fan names are displayed. I think I will buy a copy when I next see one.

[Tillius]

I haven't heard of the contest...where can I learn about it? My brother is into making videos and he's pretty good at it.

Also where did you get the tab book? *wants it*

I hope they start playing some of their older stuff. I heard on the last tour they practically played 3 songs off WTF and everything off COE
I'm on their mailing list, so I get all info. However, you can probably go to their official site or their myspace and get some information on it.

[deathscreamingsheep]

They did play unholly confessions didn't they on this tour? And they should stop doing walk! Do eternal rest or something older instead:@

Woops, I meant Second Heartbeat.

[Drunken Viking]

I just checked on Ebay. COE tab books for $18-22 & Postage and Packaging. Plus they don't ship to England :(
I need to find somewhere better.
If you go to the Avenged Sevenfold website, it should be in the news section, you might have to scroll down a bit.

Has anyone bought the Beast and the Harlot single? I wonder how the fan names are displayed. I think I will buy a copy when I next see one.
I'm getting it, but I'm yet to recieve it from the site, it'll proably be in the next 2 weeks. :(

[Happy]

Cool cheers.

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah it's great, it's a huge book!

[deathscreamingsheep]

Heh... awesome. Well I'll be in there.

[NymphetamineX]

Heh. My band is playing in a Battle of the Bands next month, and we'll be covering Chapter 4. We have it down pretty solid, so it should be fun. My second favorite song, next to Second Heartbeat.

[Happy]

We covered Bat Country at our last gig. Somewhere along the line during the solo I lost a beat somewhere and was playing out of time :lol:
Oh well.

[Drunken Viking]

Are you drummer?

[UpperDecker]

I heard there's a new album coming out soon. Whats the deel with that? They just put out City of Evil. Seems a little soon.

[Tillius]

I heard there's a new album coming out soon. Whats the deel with that? They just put out City of Evil. Seems a little soon.
First of all, the sooner they put out a new album the better, because I wanna hear some new things.

Secondly, they won't have an album out any time soon.

I mean, come on. Think about it.

Since City of Evil, they've done Warped Tour, two legs of the tour for their own CD, and now are back with Coheed and Cambria. When the hell do people expect them to have had time to record a new CD? If anything, it'll be another year or two I'm sure before we hear anything new.

[Drunken Viking]

I bet he is thinking of the Beast and the Harlot single.

[Tillius]

I bet he is thinking of the Beast and the Harlot single.
Oh yeah. Probably.

[UpperDecker]

First of all, the sooner they put out a new album the better, because I wanna hear some new things.

Secondly, they won't have an album out any time soon.

I mean, come on. Think about it.

Since City of Evil, they've done Warped Tour, two legs of the tour for their own CD, and now are back with Coheed and Cambria. When the hell do people expect them to have had time to record a new CD? If anything, it'll be another year or two I'm sure before we hear anything new.

Damn, i just said its what i heard. Did you have to be so rude? I don't watch the bands every move like you do. How am i supposed to know?

[Britton]

Damn, i just said its what i heard. Did you have to be so rude? I don't watch the bands every move like you do. How am i supposed to know?


I don't think he meatn to be rude...


He's just saying that with all the success of COE they won't really have the time to get anything else done...and they shouldn't have to either

[SimonCore]

Does anyone know if they're playing (or meant to be) on Saturday at download?

[Happy]

Are you drummer?
Nah, I kind of fell behind the band somewhere. I play guitar. Didn't matter much though.

[Drunken Viking]

Sweet dude, what show was that.

[semi]

Glasgow ABC 15/03/06 I also got my ticket signed and I have a zacky pick I caught during the show.

[Happy]

That's awesome.
And they're all short like me.

[nowitzki]

In the fans Q&A on the official site, Zacky said Shadows and the Rev were 6'2". Lies!

[Drunken Viking]

If he's 6'1 himself then of course they aren't gonna seem that big.

[SimonCore]

Shadows is seriously a beast I'm sure he took steroids. Anyone know anything?

[nowitzki]

Haha, trust me its perfectly realistic to get that big without steriods. He must have been weight training for a fair few years.

[semi]

hmm I dunno I didn't think you cared about it being that acurate. That height was a while ago and with short hair. I can't measure myself but I tried right now and am getting 189cm which is roughly 74.5" so 6' 2.5". Perhaps a bit taller if I might not holding the pencil level. In the photos I look taller by a bit so 6'2 seems fine.

[SimonCore]

Apparently Johnny Christ is meant to be 5'4? But from those photos it';s obviously not true. Oh yeah i have some things that i need to know! First of all:

1.Who is Daemon Ash? Is he Jonny christ before he changed his name? Or what!? And it also says in STST booklet he doesn't appear in the actual CD?? So who does bass?
2.In STST booklet it says Syn appears in To end the rapture...does that mean that's the only bit he actaully recorded and Zacky did the rest?

[nowitzki]

Apparently Johnny Christ is meant to be 5'4? But from those photos it';s obviously not true. Oh yeah i have some things that i need to know! First of all:

1.Who is Daemon Ash? Is he Jonny christ before he changed his name? Or what!? And it also says in STST booklet he doesn't appear in the actual CD?? So who does bass?

He was another bassist they had, before Johnny was in the band. Not sure if he recorded STST or someone else did, but it defintely wasn't Johnny.
Just found this:. The solo in the song is back by a thundering bass line, provided courtesy of Justin Sane, who was not the bands original bassist- Daemon Ash was, but for some reason he didn't record the album.
http://www.blamonet.com/cds/390.html

2.In STST booklet it says Syn appears in To end the rapture...does that mean that's the only bit he actaully recorded and Zacky did the rest?
Yeah thats right, just Zacky on the rest.

[SimonCore]

He was another bassist they had, before Johnny was in the band. Not sure if he recorded STST or someone else did, but it defintely wasn't Johnny.
Just found this:. The solo in the song is back by a thundering bass line, provided courtesy of Justin Sane, who was not the bands original bassist- Daemon Ash was, but for some reason he didn't record the album.
http://www.blamonet.com/cds/390.html

Yeah thats right, just Zacky on the rest.

Hmm that seems reasonable. There isn't really any harmonies in STST.

[semi]

We asked syn his name and he just said synester. Also my friend asked johnny christ about him playing an 8 string. My friend doesnt even play anything and gets confused when I say cab and he cant see any taxis. I wished I had some guitar questions to ask.

[SimonCore]

Did ya know Shadows soes all the acoustic gutiars and piano parts?

[Happy]

What do you mean live?

[SimonCore]

^No on the CD's.

[deathscreamingsheep]

Not according to the back of my City of Evil lyrics booklet. That says the Rev does the piano, Syn and his dad do acoustics as does some random session bloke called John something.

[Happy]

Not according to the back of my City of Evil lyrics booklet. That says the Rev does the piano, Syn and his dad do acoustics as does some random session bloke called John something.
Yeah I was gonna take a look 'cos I swore it wasn't M Shadows. But I've lent my COE out.

[Arucard]

Justin Sane used to be in Anti-Flag.

[SimonCore]

Oh. Well it Shadows does piano and acoustic on STST. Said in the book but i haven't checked the COE booklet.

[Drunken Viking]

He might've in STST, I don't have my copy with me, but on CoE, Synyster's dad does the pedal steele and acoustic parts, and The Rev and Synyster do the piano.

[Bat_Country]

Apparently Johnny Christ is meant to be 5'4? But from those photos it';s obviously not true. Oh yeah i have some things that i need to know! First of all:

1.Who is Daemon Ash? Is he Jonny christ before he changed his name? Or what!? And it also says in STST booklet he doesn't appear in the actual CD?? So who does bass?

Daemon Ash was the bands original bass player when they first started out in their teens, but the band have metioned in various interviews that he wasn't the most reliable of people ie he kept showing uo tp practices drunk/high and that's if he even showed up at all.
The final straw was when he OD'd on cough medicine before a show and the kicked him out.
He had a brief stint in a mental hospital before being discharged. He now has apparantly set up another band.
On STST all the bass is played by Justin Sane of Anti-Flag

2.In STST booklet it says Syn appears in To end the rapture...does that mean that's the only bit he actaully recorded and Zacky did the rest?

Yes

[SimonCore]

I see. I'm having trouble finding an unholly confessions video live before CoE was realeased (before shadows blew his throat)? Link anyone?

[Drunken Viking]

I have a version of it, it's from Warped Tour '04, but you can only kinda hear him cause of the crowd, but enough. And I have the original video, I'll upload the bootleg tommorow.

[SimonCore]

^ OK. youtube i strongly recomend!

[Drunken Viking]

I'll just YSI it into this thread, since i don't know how to upload onto YouTube.

[Britton]

You prolly don't want to use YSI

Try Mega Upload

[Drunken Viking]

MU sucks for me, YSI is the only one tha works.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Does anyone else think that Shadows looks like that big muscley guy in Saw 2,or am i just silly?

[SimonCore]

^hmmm i've never seen Saw. Post pictuers.

[AA-12]

Justin Sane used to be in Anti-Flag.
what does that have to do with anything?

[SimonCore]

what does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with him playing the bass in STST because Daemon ash got kicked out before he recorded and Justin Sane isn't in the band. Stupid nazi.

[Tillius]

Does anyone else think that Shadows looks like that big muscley guy in Saw 2,or am i just silly?
Shadows looks absolutely NOTHING like that guy from Saw 2.

[Drunken Viking]

It has to do with him playing the bass in STST because Daemon ash got kicked out before he recorded and Justin Sane isn't in the band. Stupid nazi.
Oh the irony, you realize that a swatstika doesn't always mean nazi correct?