Strange Drum School in Japan

[Fungi]

Note: This is NOT an advertisement.

http://www.warabi.ne.jp/~ks-music/44.html

This is a drumming school in Japan, really expensive, and their methods are mostly Moeller, and the bass drum techniques are unconventional.
Their main focus is using the least amount of muscle possible, and other stuff. Buddy Rich, Dave Weckl, Dennis Chambers, are among the drummers mentioned by them as examples.

I was wondering what you guys think of this, because I think it's really weird and stuff. There are a bunch of videos there to give you an idea of what they're teaching.
As I said earlier, this is NOT an advertisement.

[Jezen]

Tix to Japan = costly. I've already been there 4 times this year.

[Sick-O]

Haha thats a big slap in the face who ever said there arent any good asian drummers.. :lol:


EDIT: did you see that dudes double bass work!? :amaze:

[BoomCrackCrash]

Yeah that was some fancy footwork, at first i thought he must only be 8th noting it because 260bpm is insane but i went back and listened and it soundly like mostly 16ths even though they were sloppy it's still impressive. Do you know how much exactly it would cost to go? I'm not planning on going but that's kind of an interesting thing to know

[Fungi]

It's about $570 for the initial lesson and signing up and stuff, and $275/mo for the regular course, one 130 minute lesson per month, or $550/mo for the master course, two 130 minute lessons per month (master is intended for pros or those who are seriously going to become pros).

[SalientArbiter]

how the hell do you get a video? can someone directly link to one here, cuz i can't find my way around all those foreign characters for beans

[tapioca]

dude, just click/save as on one of those pictures.

that's quite interesting. most of the stuff seems to be pretty mathematical, like position of pedals and that orange thing on the pedal to use the fullest of the rebound.

[Janeway]

Asian drummers make me giggle.
The course would be all fine and dandy, but wouldn't you have to speak Japanese?
I have a hard time with English, man.

[Fungi]

The orange thing on the pedal is a tangerine, and they're showing how they can get lots of power without smashing the tangerine on the footboard.
It's all pretty advanced stuff, like the Buddy Rich or Dennis Chambers stroke methods, or the finger control methods listed here.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Crazy asians.

[BL_asd]

hmm..i'm a asian..:(

[Cal_on_drums]

WTF? What happened with the pedal and the tangerine?! Did he just break the pedal?!

[Fungi]

He puts a tangerine on the pedal to show how their technique doesn't involve pressing hard on the pedal. Then at the end they show how standard technique would have squashed the tangerine in no time.

[Dentaku Katateni]

I'm Japanese, and I go to this drum school for 1 and a half year.
Is there any question?

(I'm not good at English. Please don't mind unusual English phrase.)

I find that this is a very old thread.
Is there anyone who reads this thread?

[Jezen]

I read this thread a long time ago. Do you think you could explain his double bass method?

[-Funky monk-]

Meh, too expensive,

[dumbassdrummer]

Wow, this is crazy stuff.

I'd like to learn more about these techniques though.

[DxRocker]

I'ld just like to know what happened with that pedal when he was hitting it with his hand with the orange on top :)

[Jezen]

Didn't get squished. Then he tried playing the pedal with his (foot) technique and it didn't get squashed. Then he tried using the 'heavy metal uber double basser joey um jordisun' technique and it squashed instantly.

[INTROBLiD]

From what I can see, some of the pictures show the muscle groups and potential energy motion that you would have to use to create the most leverage/quickest stroke with the least amount of kinetic energy used...

...interesting stuff...wish it was in english...

[DxRocker]

Yes I know BB, it didn't get squashed... But when he demonstrated with his hand, it seems like that pedal broke or something?

Don't quite get what happened there

[Dentaku Katateni]

OK. I understand many people are interested in the bass drum playing.

ttp://www.warabi.ne.jp/~ks-music/44.html
(Please add "h" at the top of URL)
title in English is "Rebound Footwork & Spring Control"
(In this page, they insist that all drummers do not have to strengthen muscles for playing bass drum if you can walk.)

At first, I explain the tangeline movie.
1,Push the footboard with your fingers of hand and now beader is in vertical line.
2,Release the footboard (rapidly!), then the beater moves to the footboard and is in horizontal line. While the beater moves to the foot board direction(RIGHT), do not touch.
3,When the beater began to move to the bass drum(LEFT), poke the footboard with your fingers. Do not push it. Only poke. After you poke the footboard, release your finger from footboard as soon as you can. (When the beater hits the bass drum head, your finger does not touch the footboard. This is why they don't break the tangeline.) Originally, the beater moves to bass drum, so there is almost no resistance power to your finger. Now,the Spring power and your finger's power are in same direction(LEFT).
4, Adding your power, beater moves to LEFT so fastly and strongly that the beater moves to LEFT, draws circle and go to the bass drum holder.

This movie says;
Many of drummer add the power to footpedal during the beater moving to the footboard(RIGHT). In this way, the power of spring become a resistance power to hit bass drum. So they have to strengthen muscles.
If you can use spring power in the other way, you can make much bigger bass drum sound even if you play bass drum with your 3 fingers of hand.

ttp://cgi01.warabi.ne.jp/~ks-music/ffdown.cgi?dl=http://www.warabi.ne.jp/~ks-music/movie/3fing_vs.mpg
In this movie, the teacher is playing his 3 fingers of hand. Compareing the students(some of them are Pro Drummers!), they can not make bigger sound than the 3 fingers.

The Teacher writes that "Why you have to strengthen your muscles of foot even the 3 fingers of hand can make this huge sound."

Ahhh....my English orz <--felt down image in japan

[Jezen]

Yes I know BB, it didn't get squashed... But when he demonstrated with his hand, it seems like that pedal broke or something?

Don't quite get what happened there

Ooops sorry!

Me = Dopey.

[Jezen]

Dentaku Katateni: Thank you! That was alot of great information there! Thanks alot man. Welcome to the forums, and please post here often. Tell the other guys at the school about these forums aswell! :cool:

[Dentaku Katateni]

You're welcome.

I have no friend in the school. Because the lesson is completely indivisual....

I'll trancelate the index of Drumming Advice.
ttp://www.warabi.ne.jp/~ks-music/menu.html
Remember I am not good at English.
I think some trancelation are impossible to understand.

(1)Sterengthen Muscles? (2)What is right-brain (3)Rudiments Application (4)Breath,Stroke with internal organ? (5)Dynamic Natural Form (6)Importance of Commercial Drumming Expression (7)Dynamics of Grip (8)Tangerine and Footwork (9)Rudiments Application 2 (10)How to Groove (11)Exxtraordinally Rapid Stick Work (12)Stroke drawing Circle (13)Let's think of practice method (14)Footwork drawing Circle (15)Extraordinally Relaxed Grip (16)Finger Control (17)Mechanism of Breath (18)Summary of Stick work (19)Para-up Stroke (20)Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and Drumming Human Science (21)Speed Footwork (22)Muscles on Face and Breath (23)the Method of not using Muscles (24)Basic Stroke (25)Natural Movemant = Dayly,Ordinaly Movement (26)Body Position = Dynamic Natural Form (27)Use the Weight of Shoulder Blade (28)Dynamic Fulcrum Grip (29)Rebound Footwork (30)Basic Method of Buddy Rich Stroke (31)Shell Shot and Rim Shot (32)Alexander Technique (33)Wrist and Grip (34)Finger Suspention Grip (35)Shot with Spine and Scapula (36)Warning of Morar Technique (37)The Sound appealing audiences' Instinct - Body Resonance (38)Weak point of the Auditory sense (39)Shoulder Moving Method (40)Body Shot Method (41)Free Grip Sytem Method (42)Free Grip and the Bone in the Arms(I can't trancelate medical special terms) (43)Sound Touch - Distortion,Clean,Ghost tone (44)Rebound Footwork and Spring Control

[Carn]

I loved this:

"Why you have to strengthen your muscles of foot even the 3 fingers of hand can make this huge sound."