The Official Streetlight Manifesto/Catch 22/BOTAR Thread

[zarnoz]

point the blame is good too

cept i really believe some of it was meant for tomas...this is just my opinion dont throw a fit cuz of it

[Brain Toad]

I don't like the idea of remaking KN. Just seems stupid and uneccessary and very lazy not to write new songs, but that's just me.

[Lukeh]

Yeah, I agree really but I know that I'll still buy the album because I'm such a SM fanboy and I don't own Catch 22's version of it anyway.
I think they're using this as an excuse to spend more time working on new material, because all of the new material of theirs that I've heard so far sounds pretty short, as if they've only really got snippets of songs that have yet to be made into something bigger and more complete. But hey, for all I know they could do something completely different and more suprising.

[Liebensaft]

I'm not buying anything. I'm downloading it from whoever downloads it from whoever downloads it from whoever downloads it from the first person on Soulseek to buy it.

[Jas]

I will buy it and love it, whether it's a cover album or if the content is something completely different we don't expect.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Why did the name get changed to Ghey.

[maco]

point the blame is good too

cept i really believe some of it was meant for tomas...this is just my opinion dont throw a fit cuz of it
probably, that's when they were fighting

[zarnoz]

i have a question if u dont mind me asking:

did jeff davidson write alot of the songs in alone in a crowd like tomas did for KN?

cuz he left c22 also right? (and believe it or not he actually does gang vocals for BOTAR)

[tappenzee]

I'm expecting nothing short than a complete re-interpretation of KN

If the melodies and structure is exactly the same, then what's the point?

No, I have a good feeling about this. I feel like they're gonna strip down these songs and rebuild them from scratch, and we'll in essence get pretty much a new album.

Just a hunch, I dunno

[AIRIC]

Yeah I'd go with that.

[FauxApathy]

The only prove is the line in a moment of silence, but that could just as well be about something else.


Can anyone tell me which line he's talking about?

[AIRIC]

"If you hate me so much stop playing my songs"

[jettadude77]

what if this album isn't the cover album that it is rumored to be and is actually the new album, but just taking the old title? maybe it's just wishful thinking though.... yeah, probably just wishful thinking.

[Kithkin]

There are plenty of lines in Alone in a Crowd that could be against Thomas. Mostly Hard to Impress. If you go back in the thread you can find some of my posts where I looked at lyrics. I don't remember every instance right now though.

Alone in a Crowd is a great album. It's not KN but it's a very solid album, mostly because they still had a dedicated singer and songwriter.

The Washed Up ep is good too.

Dinosaur Sounds is just bad.

[TAND]

I don't like all of Alone In A Crowd. But it has some good songs. Bloomfield Ave, I've been there. :smoke:

[Henrik]

There is an official date on http://www.victoryrecords.com

I'm beginning to believe it this time. The new picture is up too.

[albert_bass]

Alone in a Crowd is a great album. It's not KN but it's a very solid album, mostly because they still had a dedicated singer and songwriter.

The Washed Up ep is good too.

Dinosaur Sounds is just bad.

123

My exact opinion.

I've tried like 10 times to listen to Dinosaur Sounds from front to back and failed miserably every time. In 5 or 6 songs I have to switch it off.

[Henrik]

Haha:)

I don't really like the washed up ep that much. Kind og boring... I like the live stuff at the end though, except Kristina that version sucks.

[_lower_class_brat_]

i just downloaded "Everything Goes Numb" by Streetlight Manifesto,
i have nerver heard of them before and i really enjoy this, good lyrics and amazing sound :thumb:

[_lower_class_brat_]

i'm trying to download some BOTAR on slsk because i never heard of them and i can't find any? dont any of you have them on you slsk?

[KingOfSka]

i'm trying to download some BOTAR on slsk because i never heard of them and i can't find any? dont any of you have them on you slsk?

SkaBandit. Message me.

[_lower_class_brat_]

i can't find you.....jake12345678 mesage me

[AIRIC]

Soulseek is caps sensitive. That may be the problem.

[Liebensaft]

i'm trying to download some BOTAR on slsk because i never heard of them and i can't find any? dont any of you have them on you slsk?
My name is exactly the same as on here. Crack-Rock-Steady.

I've got it.

[the-UK-ska-scene]

I'm sure if Streetlight are REALLY gonna re-do Keasbey (I think everyone should still be sceptical) then they're gonna properly re-do it. I mean, listen to BOTAR's Dear Sergio:, and Streetlight's Here's To Life (yeah I know that's a BOTAR cover and not Catch22, I just mean they aren't half-arsed with their covers). They'll come good. & I don't wanna hear no whinging or griping about it, yeah Streetlight are like a cult band, who have a big following, so it'd be ironic to go on about how their second album sucks the big one. It's not cool to be ironic anymore. You gotta be post-ironic. I wanna see EVERY SINGLE ONE of you pretending to like it if and when it hits the streets.

[AIRIC]

Streetlight aren't capable of releasing bad material anyway.

[Henrik]

If they really are releasing some music in march, What is the line-up? I can't figure out who are still in the band. Are their any original EGN-members left except for Tomas?

[Henrik]

I've been listening to rules of the game in the last days, and I love it. Cool to hear Kn-songs in early versions. The two punk songs that didn't get on Keasbey nights are really good. I like 'em both better than giving up giving in.

"I don't give a **** about you- I'M BETTER THAN YOU".

[DaveToopes]

I'm sure if Streetlight are REALLY gonna re-do Keasbey (I think everyone should still be sceptical) then they're gonna properly re-do it. I mean, listen to BOTAR's Dear Sergio:, and Streetlight's Here's To Life (yeah I know that's a BOTAR cover and not Catch22, I just mean they aren't half-arsed with their covers). They'll come good. & I don't wanna hear no whinging or griping about it, yeah Streetlight are like a cult band, who have a big following, so it'd be ironic to go on about how their second album sucks the big one. It's not cool to be ironic anymore. You gotta be post-ironic. I wanna see EVERY SINGLE ONE of you pretending to like it if and when Streetlight rises again.

LoL fixed!

[the-UK-ska-scene]

LoL fixed!

Haha, I knew someone would do that as soon as I wrote the phrase "if and when..." :p

[Theramed]

I think it will be more like Botar's cover of Dear sergio. Not just sraight up cover

[zarnoz]

http://www.youtube.com/w/Day-In-Day-Out?v=SOWATKGOz2M&search=streetlight%20manifesto

i think this is a little taste of what keasbey nights (2?) is going to be like

thats day in day out (many shouold recognize it from KN) with another song tagged at the beginning all tagged into one big song

im thinking this is probably what they're gonna do with the rest of the songs

[jettadude77]

the song at the start is a new streetlight song that will probably be on the next album of original songs.

[Ross]

Just bought Keasbey Nights, and I am blown over. Wow.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Just bought Keasbey Nights, and I am blown over. Wow.
Yeah that album is amazing. Especially if you've heard other Catch 22 first. Then you're already knowing it's a good band then BAM!, they get even better.

[Ross]

Dang, in that case I've done it the wrong way round.

The chorus on the title song of keasbey has some of the most addictive lyrics I've ever heard! Were these guys sent by god?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Well have you heard Streetlight?

The rest of Catch 22 will probably dissapoint. That's what happened to me. It's still good, but not as good.

[maco]

Yeah that album is amazing. Especially if you've heard other Catch 22 first. Then you're already knowing it's a good band then BAM!, they get even better.
or you go "how did they go from THIS to...that?" and get the answer "Tomas left"

whether you've heard EGN before or not, KN is amazing

[zarnoz]

the song at the start is a new streetlight song that will probably be on the next album of original songs.

i doubt it

i dont think tomas has the attention span to write new songs, using them in tours, and tagging them with KN songs at the end and then not using them in the remaking of KN and instead waiting for another 1 or 2 years to release them in another CD.

[jettadude77]

i doubt it

i dont think tomas has the attention span to write new songs, using them in tours, and tagging them with KN songs at the end and then not using them in the remaking of KN and instead waiting for another 1 or 2 years to release them in another CD.
we'll just have to wait and see, i'd like to believe i'm right, but it could just be wishful thinking

[Liebensaft]

Dang, in that case I've done it the wrong way round.

The chorus on the title song of keasbey has some of the most addictive lyrics I've ever heard! Were these guys sent by god?
This is true. The very first time I listened to Keasbey Nights (the album) (by recommendation of amazon.com) I was blown away. I listened to it multiple times in a row. It's rare to find an album I know I'm reeeeally going to love, just by the first listen, but that was one of them.

[Ross]

Well have you heard Streetlight?

The rest of Catch 22 will probably dissapoint. That's what happened to me. It's still good, but not as good.

Nope, but I'm about to go on amazon and order one of their CDs :)

[Liebensaft]

If you're ordering Catch 22, get Alone in a Crowd. It's the least disappointing of their other albums.

And if you're looking at SM, it's not like you have a choice which one to order.

[DaveToopes]

But he will have a choice on MARCH 7TH, 2006!

[TAND]

I was blown away the first time I listened to Keasbey Nights back in like 2000, and still am everytime I listen to it.

[Henrik]

WOW, I would have loved to have known the cd for so long time. I bought it last year.
Didn't you have like huge expectations when you heard about streetlight?

[tappenzee]

Nobody answered my question how they got the name Streetlight Manifesto :-(

Ok, here's another question...

In the lyrics of "Here's to Life", Tomas says (if I hear him correctly)

Hey there Salinger what did you do
Just as the world was looking at you
To write anything that meant anything
You told us you were through

And it's been years since you passed away
But I see no plaque and I see no grave
I can't help believing
You wanted it that way.

Okay, so my question is, why does Tomas say this when Salinger is very much alive, but just reclusive as hell? Is he speaking figuratively, is he misinformed, or is he speaking for the future?

I don't really expect an answer from this, just your interpretation I guess

[Brain Toad]

I think he means he passed away from the public eye. Look at the next lines about seeing no grave or plaque, showing that he probably really hasn't died, but to the public eye he has.

[Liebensaft]

I'd agree with Nick.

[the-UK-ska-scene]

http://www.serverselect.net/~skascene/jazzle/
Please check out my new website, it's got a few pictures of Streetlight from about 3 different times I saw them, plus some of other bands.

[maco]

I think he means he passed away from the public eye. Look at the next lines about seeing no grave or plaque, showing that he probably really hasn't died, but to the public eye he has.
agreed

he's also "the hero of the story" (and a f'ucking awesome writer)

[POINTLESS5448]

doesnt streetlights keasby nights come out today?

[Liebensaft]

It would if it was actually released on the date that Victory gave like a year ago. Read back a couple pages.

[AIRIC]

It'll never come out.

[Liebensaft]

Not with an attitude like that! Turn that frown upside, Mister.

[AIRIC]

:mad:

[Liebensaft]

:mad:
You almost got it. It should look something like this: :)

It better be coming out on this announced date.

[AIRIC]

It won't.

[Liebensaft]

Quit being such a negative Nancy.

[AIRIC]

I'm being realistic. Tom is unreliable.

[Liebensaft]

That's true, but this seems like pretty reliable information. It was in a catalog with an album cover and everything.

[Brain Toad]

doesnt streetlights keasby nights come out today?

Albums always come out on Tuesdays, always. So if something says a day that isn't a tuesday, it's more than likely incorrect.

[Liebensaft]

I don't understand the Tuesday thing. DVD's do it too.

[Brain Toad]

Just a uniform day to release stuff, probably has a reason. Movies always come out on Wednesday in the main places (NY, LA, SF) and then Friday everywhere else.

[maco]

i just bought a kn blue 12"

:)

[Liebensaft]

I envy you.

[maco]

how much are those worth, you think? i dont know about collecting of them. i generally collect afi stuff

[Liebensaft]

I'm sure it depends on how many were pressed.

[the-UK-ska-scene]

i just bought a kn blue 12"

:)

Hah, weird, I broke out my KN vinyl yesterday for the first time in months (I just got my vinyl player in my uni room, having a bit of a vinyl kick). Mine's not blue though. It's completely clear with a slight pink splatter (looks like it's on there by accident, hah, awesome).

[Henrik]

The KN coloured vinyls are different colours.

[maco]

any ideas where to find out how many of each colour were pressed?

[Liebensaft]

You can probably find it if you search for it. Against Me! put the number of pressings of each type of vinyl on their site.

[The Fonz]

ITP: I Don't ususally listen to ska, but i like streetlight and Catch22, so...educate me, please, you know history and stuff....

thanks in advance...

Or not, no biggie

[FauxApathy]

Quick fact for the new ska listener:

Most of Catch 22 broke off and formed Streetlight Manifesto. This is why Older Catch 22 and streetlight sound so similar. Catch 22 is still around, but with a different line-up, and they are generally less popular.

[The Fonz]

Quick fact for the new ska listener:

Most of Catch 22 broke off and formed Streetlight Manifesto. This is why Older Catch 22 and streetlight sound so similar. Catch 22 is still around, but with a different line-up, and they are generally less popular.

alright, thanks, alot of my friends are into punk/ska more than me (me=metal, eh) so now i wont sound like such a no0b around them, haha.

[AIRIC]

Seriously, WTF.^^

[Liebensaft]

Catch 22 was formerly headed by Tomas Kalnoky. He left the band and recorded some acoustic stuff with Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution, as well as starting Streetlight Manifesto. Catch 22 has 3 full-length albums I believe; Keasbey Nights (everyone's favorite, and for good reason - Tomas was still in the band), Alone in a Crowd, and Dinosaur Sounds. Alone in a Crowd is garbage compared to Keasbey Nights, but in reality, it's still a decent ska album. Dinosaur Sounds, from what I've heard and heard other people say is just not very good. Catch 22 has a new album out in June called Permanent Revolution.

Streetlight Manifesto (supposedly) is releasing Keasbey Nights volume 2, which I expect to be spiced up versions of the original songs. That's supposed to come out in March. Aside from that, their only record is Everything Goes Numb, which was released in 2003.

Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution has an EP out called A Call to Arms. It's very good.

[The Fonz]

Seriously, WTF.^^

I don't get it.
I mean, i like streetlight/catch22, but I don't know anything about them, so I asked.:confused:

Catch 22 was formerly headed by Tomas Kalnoky. He left the band and recorded some acoustic stuff with Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution, as well as starting Streetlight Manifesto. Catch 22 has 3 full-length albums I believe; Keasbey Nights (everyone's favorite, and for good reason - Tomas was still in the band), Alone in a Crowd, and Dinosaur Sounds. Alone in a Crowd is garbage compared to Keasbey Nights, but in reality, it's still a decent ska album. Dinosaur Sounds, from what I've heard and heard other people say is just not very good. Catch 22 has a new album out in June called Permanent Revolution.

Streetlight Manifesto (supposedly) is releasing Keasbey Nights volume 2, which I expect to be spiced up versions of the original songs. That's supposed to come out in March. Aside from that, their only record is Everything Goes Numb, which was released in 2003.

Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution has an EP out called A Call to Arms. It's very good.

Okay, cool, thanks, thats baisically what I wanted to know.

Thanks for you help guys, appreciate it.

:wave:

/heads back to R&M and the Pit

[AIRIC]

Yeah I know sorry. I didn't read up and I thought that guy was just randomly posting that. No worries.

[Liebensaft]

Jeeze Airic. Getting all uppity...

[AIRIC]

sry.

[Liebensaft]

Shld b.

[jettadude77]

they finally updated the streetlight AND botar sites, nothing earth shattering, but it does show some signs of life (finally)... go check them out

[Liebensaft]

At least they haven't died or been robbed again.

[Henrik]

WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The risc group site is up. And it seriously looks like A call to arms is in sale.

[Henrik]

But they are only shipping to the States.... noooo

EDIT: No sorry. They are selling international.



HEY!!!! :):):)

[DaveToopes]

At least they haven't died or been robbed again.

No. They're dead.

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

WHAT THE ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The risc group site is up. And it seriously looks like A call to arms is in sale.
Wait, WHAT? I just went there and all I got was a message saying coming 2006.

[DaveToopes]

Check again.

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

Oh, okay, thanks, I found it on BOTAR's site. OMG, they're coming back aparently!

[maco]

the store only takes credit cards -_- im emailing to see if mailorder is permissable.

[DaveToopes]

I think there's talk of them releasing an full album this year.

[tappenzee]

Question #3:

Is it true that Tomas wrote some of the post-Keasbey Nights songs for Catch 22 (hence why "Washed Up" and "Alone in a Crowd" are that much better than Dinosaur Sounds)

Rumor I heard a while ago, not sure how true it is...

[DaveToopes]

I guess that makes sense, I haven't heard that though.

[Kithkin]

No, but they had a Thomas like singer for Washed Up and Alone in the Crowd who wrote the songs.

For Dinosaur Sounds the Sax player took over vocal duties. He can't really sing and he can't really write music.

[AIRIC]

The sax player is terrible.

[DaveToopes]

I have the Catch 22 Live!!! CD/DVD (I got it used for 3 bucks) and the DVD part is just a concert in Long Island. The Sax/vocals are bad, and then the trumpet/backup vocals are done by some really fat wigger. He can't sing at all. He makes me angry.

[Iron Bug]

I think there's talk of them releasin an full album this year.
They are re-doing Keasby Nights. Thats all I know of.

[DaveToopes]

They are re-doing Keasby Nights. Thats all I know of.

I was talking about BOTAR, not Streetlight.

[Iron Bug]

Oh, nevermind then.

[Kithkin]

I have the Catch 22 Live!!! CD/DVD (I got it used for 3 bucks) and the DVD part is just a concert in Long Island. The Sax/vocals are bad, and then the trumpet/backup vocals are done by some really fat wigger. He can't sing at all. He makes me angry.

Yeah. He does the fast part in Bloomsfield Ave but really can't sing that fast.

[DaveToopes]

Yeah, what's the point in speeding up songs like 9mm and A Three Piece Suit when he probably couldn't sing it correctly at the normal speed?

[Henrik]

I like the fat trumpet wigger. I can't remember his name but he was around on Keasbey nights as well.
Anyway, I don't think the live catch cd is that bad. I like the horn change in on and on and on.

[DaveToopes]

His voice annoys me, and I never really had a thing for wiggers.

[DuckinFutch8]

I don't understand the Tuesday thing. DVD's do it too.

The reason is that everything gets shipped to the stores on the first business day of the week, Monday, but to make sure that there's equal parity between the stores, they don't start sales until Tuesday, otherwise some stores would start selling it before others...

[Henrik]

Edit: Sorry:upset:

[Liebensaft]

The Bamboozle is a big music fest in New Jersey every year. Aside from Streetlight Manifesto, the bands I saw listed this year suck hard.

edit - I just saw Motion City Soundtrack was playing. I love them too.

[Henrik]

hehe, yeah I found out just after my post.

[comptonassrobert]

So early Catch 22 and Streetlight Manifesto have grabbed a spot in my top 5 alltime favourite bands ever. They are just amazing.

I heard that SM is taking a year off to write another album, supposedly "Keasbey Nights volume 2" Can anyone confirm/deny this? And also, would it be remasterings of the old songs, or new material?

[tappenzee]

If you read a few pages back, you'll see that "Keasbey Nights as performed by Streetlight Manifesto" has a release date of NEXT MONTH

Get geeked

[Liebensaft]

March 7 I think. Supposedly.

[Johnny Quest.]

Anyone else amazingly excited about hearing a possibly extended version of 9mm and a three piece suit on the new album. It's one of my favourite tracks on KN and the horn lines on it are great.

[Henrik]

If they are remaking songs, which I don't think any of us know if the do, then the song I'm the most excited to hear is 12341234. I think that song is awesome, but it kind og misses something. The drums could be better I think.

[secholev2]

So where's everyone hearing about the news of a new album so soon at?? I hope it's true because i'm really excited!!!

[jettadude77]

the victory records website (www.victoryrecords.com) has it listed, i believe. plus, it was listed in some upcoming cd promo victory put out.

[Unseen2k0]

Ha, last time I checked this thread months ago and about 20 pages ago the same things were being said. How can you regurgitate something for so long? You don't know what they are going to record, all you know for sure is they are taking time off touring to record now(Source: www.streetlightmanifesto.com ), and BOTAR is also recording something now. But hey, don't let me discourage you guys from your gossiping, I heard they are going to feature Catch-22 members on this new CD! My source? Well, I have a brother, who has a friend, whose sister knows this girl whoses cousin saw them, who overheard a kid talking to a merch booth of a band playing with Streetlight that had been told Catch-22 members would be on this new CD!

Everyone is excited, but I've seen so much dumb stuff in this thread and other forums about these CDs, just trust that these guys are going to make some good music for us to enjoy, and it'll be 2 years late like everything else they do.

[maco]

If they are remaking songs, which I don't think any of us know if the do, then the song I'm the most excited to hear is 12341234. I think that song is awesome, but it kind og misses something. The drums could be better I think.
a drum-teacher i work with listened to the whole KN cd and said that he thinks the drummer's horrible

[Iron Bug]

Hes not horrible, but hes not really anything special.

[secholev2]

Ha, last time I checked this thread months ago and about 20 pages ago the same things were being said. How can you regurgitate something for so long? You don't know what they are going to record, all you know for sure is they are taking time off touring to record now(Source: www.streetlightmanifesto.com ), and BOTAR is also recording something now. But hey, don't let me discourage you guys from your gossiping, I heard they are going to feature Catch-22 members on this new CD! My source? Well, I have a brother, who has a friend, whose sister knows this girl whoses cousin saw them, who overheard a kid talking to a merch booth of a band playing with Streetlight that had been told Catch-22 members would be on this new CD!

Everyone is excited, but I've seen so much dumb stuff in this thread and other forums about these CDs, just trust that these guys are going to make some good music for us to enjoy, and it'll be 2 years late like everything else they do.
aw why you gotta go squashing our dreams like that! :(

[FenderSRX]

My source? Well, I have a brother, who has a friend, whose sister knows this girl whoses cousin saw them, who overheard a kid talking to a merch booth of a band playing with Streetlight that had been told Catch-22 members would be on this new CD!


you seem real desperate

[DaveToopes]

I think that this release date is for real, even Victory has it on their site.

[Buzzbomb]

Yeah but Victory also said it would be out January 20th.

[Unseen2k0]

you seem real desperate

You seem real thick. Honestly, I don't know how well to reply. You gots to be dumb, kid.

[Henrik]

a drum-teacher i work with listened to the whole KN cd and said that he thinks the drummer's horrible
He isn't good, that's for sure. The drums are much better on Everything goes numb.

[Johnny Quest.]

He isn't good, that's for sure. The drums are much better on Everything goes numb.

I'm not gonna argue with that, but i wouldn't say the drummer from Catch 22 is horrible, i think the rimshots in 9mm are quite good.

[AIRIC]

The drummer on KN has a bit of a snare obsession.

[DaveToopes]

I like his use of snare on KN though.

[MAthiAS]

The drummer on KN has a bit of a snare obsession.
I think it works pretty well though.

Anybody know what gear Tomas used on Everything Went Numb?

[AIRIC]

Yeah I don't mind it, but it is a bit much.

[DaveToopes]

I think it works pretty well though.

Anybody know what gear Tomas used on Everything GOES Numb?

Fixed.

[MAthiAS]

Ah my bad, thinking the song.

[DaveToopes]

I do that sometimes too. As for Tomas' gear, I have no idea.

[Henrik]

The drummer on KN has a bit of a snare obsession.
True.
The drums on EGN are amazing.

[Lukeh]

I spent aaages trying to find out what he uses so I could get the same equipment as him.

Although I'm not sure what he uses after the robbery and all, but before
His guitar is an Ibanez AS83 hollowbody and his amp is a digital Fender model, possibly a FM212 by the looks of it. I'm not sure wether or not he uses any paticular EQ or anything but by the sounds of it he just uses his amp's distortion whenever he needs it without any kind of other effects pedal.

[Super Nintendo]

i like streetlight manifesto, but i havent heard catch 22 or botar, are them like streetlight manifesto?

[Liebensaft]

Download the album Keasbey Nights by Catch 22 right this minute. Oh, and the BotAR EP is damn good too.

[DaveToopes]

I second that.

[DuckinFutch8]

I love Paul Lowndes' drumming on EGN, is Chris Thatcher a lot like him?

I love his sound too...

[Henrik]

He plays the same.

[_lower_class_brat_]

it says on the victory web site that keasbey nights release date is March 7

[Liebensaft]

Yes....we know.

[<---NoFX--->]

I heard the BOTAR EP is being re-released

[Brain Toad]

I heard the BOTAR EP is being re-released
Yes....we know.

That post applies to yours too.

[DuckinFutch8]

I heard that SM was releasing a 2nd original album this year, anyone know anything about this?

I know about Keasby Nights and about BOTAR's album

[Kithkin]

it says on the victory web site that keasbey nights release date is March 7


It said January 20th too.

[FenderSRX]

You seem real thick. Honestly, I don't know how well to reply. You gots to be dumb, kid.
atleast I know proper grammar

[the-UK-ska-scene]

I spent aaages trying to find out what he uses so I could get the same equipment as him.

Although I'm not sure what he uses after the robbery and all, but before
His guitar is an Ibanez AS83 hollowbody and his amp is a digital Fender model, possibly a FM212 by the looks of it. I'm not sure wether or not he uses any paticular EQ or anything but by the sounds of it he just uses his amp's distortion whenever he needs it without any kind of other effects pedal.

Yeah I don't know about on the album but certainly live the only thing Tomas has is a little pedal with a circular button on it that he hits whenever he wants distortion. When you gots skills like that you don't need tech.

[Lukeh]

Yeah I don't know about on the album but certainly live the only thing Tomas has is a little pedal with a circular button on it that he hits whenever he wants distortion. When you gots skills like that you don't need tech.
Hmm, I'm pretty that's a foot-switch then to switch from the (amazing sounding) clean tones to the (poor quality) distortion on his amp, because all the guitarists I know (including myself I guess, but I don't make such a fuss) say that his distortion sounds seriously awful (which would come from him just using his amps distortion), but it fits quite nicely with the music and really doesn't matter when you're as awesome as Tom Kalnoky. It just goes to show how well he makes use of his equipment, considering as it would probably only cost about £600 to get the same entire guitar set up as the man himself.

/must sound like a such a geek...

[jettadude77]

Yeah I don't know about on the album but certainly live the only thing Tomas has is a little pedal with a circular button on it that he hits whenever he wants distortion.

yeah, it's just a simple footswitch. i have the same one. it looks like a doorbell or something.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

In the last verse of Here's to Life, it says "KBC you died much too young"


Who does KBC refer to?

[shangbang]

In the last verse of Here's to Life, it says "KBC you died much too young"


Who does KBC refer to?

It's KDC. It stands for Kurt Donald Cobain

[Lukeh]

It's KDC. It stands for Kurt Donald Cobain
:eek: ! Ahhhh it all makes so much sense now, since Nirvana was such a big influence for him...

[ert90]

You guys have any theories as to how the new album will be different from the original Keasbey Nights?

[Liebensaft]

That's about all the happened in this thread a couple pages ago.

[DaveToopes]

We still have a Streetlight thread?!

[Brain Toad]

We still have an Ethan?!

[Liebensaft]

We still have a MX?

[DaveToopes]

In response to the last two query's made: Yes.

[Ghostfire3]

We still have computers?

[DaveToopes]

Yes.

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

We still have tails?

[Kithkin]

Only vestigal

[the-UK-ska-scene]

Copy of Streetlight_Manifesto-Keasbey_Nights-2006-tLOC

OH. MY. GOD.

It was so worth it.

[Lukeh]

What?! You have it?!

[the-UK-ska-scene]

Yes. It was LEEKed.

[the-UK-ska-scene]

Yes. It was LEEKed.

[tappenzee]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you **** with me right now

Please please please don't you **** with me

Now I have 4 hours to go before speeding home and scouring slsk

[the-UK-ska-scene]

I don't know if it's on slsk yet. :thumb:

[the-UK-ska-scene]

ps LOL I'm not lying. Something to wet your appetite.

http://www.serverselect.net/~skascene/01-streetlight_manifesto-dear_sergio.mp3

[Lukeh]

Woooaaahhh, I love you!! But now I need more... after about 30 seconds it just sounds like a machine gun. Where/how did you get it?

[Henrik]

WOOOOOOOTT Finally... ARHHHH I can't wait to hear it... I won't listen to it yet though. I want the real cd in my hands first.

[Liebensaft]

Copy of Streetlight_Manifesto-Keasbey_Nights-2006-tLOC

OH. MY. GOD.

It was so worth it.
I'd have sex with you if you gave me that. My soulseek name is the same as here if you use soulseek.

I'm Joooooooooe1 on AIM
drop_monday@hotmail.com on MSN
jopeisdope@gmail.com for email.

[DaveToopes]

Uhhh Don't Care.

Lol

[Kithkin]

Oink has it.

There aren't as many differences as I'd have liked.

The horn lines in Walking Away and Riding the Fourth Wave are different.
There's a new verse in Dear Sergio (the BOTAR verse) and in Day in Day Out.
The 12341234 end is different.

[Brendan]

I got it.

The people I've talked to whove heard it didnt really like it.

F uck them, I think its awsome. It just sounded wierd to me at first because the recording quality is ALOT better

[Brain Toad]

The first half was boring and Tomas' voice sounded bad, hopefully this version isn't mastered.

The second half was decent, but sounded nearly identical to the orginial.

[Kithkin]

The drums and the bass are a lot better, the horns are on some tracks but not on others. It could be mastered better and the vocals are different, but the quality is still far better than Catch 22's and his voice isn't any worse than it was 10 years ago.

[Brain Toad]

It sounds really rough to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll compare the orginial. But it could just be the lack of mastering.

[Kithkin]

I'd say, mastery wise, it's better than the original, but it's not on par with Everything Goes Numb.

Though a large part of that may simply be that the drummer uses a better set for this recording.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Too much of it is the same for my taste. It says at the end of 12341234 they just wanted it to sound better than the first time.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Please describe the experience of making the new album.
Making the record was not unlike chipping out each piece.

2: What took so long to make it?
Did it take long? If so it's because be are very busy. Bands make almost nothing from record sales, so we were out touring and whoring in order to pay rent. Plus some other reasons which we are keeping quiet.

3: What is the record exactly, as it's called Keasbey Nights, but no-one knows yet what the record contains.
It's Keasbey Nights. We wanted to get it right for once. Plus ? knowing that blood sweat and tears are poured into and album as opposed to paying 13 bucks for a record they only put a flashy new cover on it. This release is a pre-emptive strike, I guess. Whatever you want to call it, it will piss people off. And that, at the end of the day, is all that really matters.

This confuses me, aren't they paying 13 bucks for a record they already own? Because that is what I thought was happening, sounds like I have it wrong?
Yep you've got it wrong. If there's one thing I can't stand it's when a CD is re-released untouched sonically, with a new cover, and maybe a live video and ? kids are tricked into buying this new edition of something they already have. I was upset when I was told the guys were going to do this with Keasbey so I offered to re-record it, because I've always thought it sounded like pure garbage sound-wise. ? particularly for a band with 7 musicians to record, so we used some of our own money and took our time with this one. So we used some of our own money and took out time with this one. I'll tell you right now, we have no intent of hiding our intentions, we wanted to prevent the re-release of Keasbey untouched as well as to get the record to sound how it should have sounded originally. For that we sacrificed months of our time, and our money and now we feel what we have is worth paying for. Although, truth be told, I don't care if a single record is sold as it is, indeed, old music and kids have a right to know what it is and to decide whether or not they'll pay for it. Do I think it's worth 13 dollars? Yes, very much so, but that's my opinion. What other people decide, that's their own opinion. We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.
We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.
We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.
We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.
We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.
We're going to keep doing what we do whether or not a single record is sold.

Wow. Okay. First time I have heard it said that this is the same songs. Every time you were asked, you skirt that issue.
Whatever you want to call it, we will piss people off. And that, at the end of the day, is all that really matters.
As my good friend ? always says, you are indeed a ?, and unfortunately just don't get it. Peace out bitches.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Right so your avatar stretches the box ridiculously.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I was bored so I chopped together Point/Counterpoint and Keasbey Nights again, this time I used SLM's leaked version.

hxxp://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1F1CM2L8EQ3783C02CLW2P7ZV0

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

Can somebody send me the leaked verison?
BPMead007@aol.com

[Let's Chop Cats!]

http://www.seglda.com/fileoftheweek/
right there.

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

Wow, that's great!:)

[Kithkin]

Please describe the experience of making the new album.
Making the record was not unlike chipping out each piece.



Each piece, not peach pit...

[Liebensaft]

I liked it, regardless of what everyone else says.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

I liked it, regardless of what everyone else says.Oh it's good alright, just not as many differences as I expected.

I'm still going to buy it when it comes out.


I'm really digging Giving up, Giving in




And for those of you with itunes/wmp/whatever, what are you putting as the album name? I had it as just Keasbey Nights, but now if I got to play album-Keasbey Nights, it plays both albums. I'm thinking about putting it as Keasbey Nights Two, or Keasbey Nights as Performed by...

[_JR]

put Keasby Nights II, because roman numerals look cool

[Liebensaft]

I have it as "Keasbey Nights vol. 2".

[Lukeh]

Now all we need is for the new BOTAR record to be finished and some other friendly person to leak it for us

Some of the songs I really preffered the Catch-22 versions of, like the title track, mainly because they didn't have all of the band singing the catchy parts which I always love. Then there's the rest of the album which sounds a hell of a lot better than the first version methinks.

[_JR]

im so-so about the whole thing, i personally would have liked it if they changed a lot more, added new lines, whatever, i think everything was too close to the origional.

im not complaining, however

[Brain Toad]

I'd rather have a new album then this, personally.

[Liebensaft]

Everybody would have. That was kind of the point.

[Brain Toad]

Meh.

[Moon Flavor]

No backing vocals whatsoever. And the horns at the beginning of Sick and Sad (one of my favorite c22 songs) sound like really cheesey midi. The sound quality is better, and I like his normal singing better, but other than that, meh.

[Kithkin]

The album name is Keasby Nights as Performed by Streetlight Manifesto.

Not Keasby Nights II.

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

Yup.

[Brian Manifesto]

Can i get these songs on my itunes?

When i click them it opens in quicktime. Can anyone help?

[Brain Toad]

No backing vocals whatsoever. And the horns at the beginning of Sick and Sad (one of my favorite c22 songs) sound like really cheesey midi. The sound quality is better, and I like his normal singing better, but other than that, meh.

They have backing vocals they are just vary faint and not that good.

[_JR]

The album name is Keasby Nights as Performed by Streetlight Manifesto.

Not Keasby Nights II.

is that a fact? someone give me a good site where everyone gets their SM info.

[Brain Toad]

Album cover from Victory Records
http://www.victoryrecords.com/Images/Albums300/VR240.jpg
"Keasbey Nights as Performed by Streetlight Manifesto"

[Daniel!]

I just listened to the new one all the way through. It's good, but sounds pretty much the same. The new ending to 1234 1234 is really annoying.

[DaveToopes]

Can i get these songs on my itunes?

When i click them it opens in quicktime. Can anyone help?

Right click, save as.

[DuckinFutch8]

anyone tried playing 12341234 backwards?

I wonder if it says anything... doubt it...

[Theramed]

anyone tried playing 12341234 backwards?

I wonder if it says anything... doubt it...


I was wondering that. but i dont know how to do it unless its on vinyl

[tappenzee]

anyone tried playing 12341234 backwards?

I wonder if it says anything... doubt it...

I did--it says, and I quote...

















ahem.....





















"4321 4321" :p

[asdf]

Seeing as I haven't heard the original Keasby Nights, this doesn't interest me all that much.

So I should listen to the original first.

[halfdeadhippo]

Goddamnit, I suck at self-control. I like the drumming better so far, but I haven't had time to properly form an opinion on the rest.

[albert_bass]

I haven't posted in some time but I come often just to check if the album has leaked. Yeah finally after some months of waiting I have it thanks to Reiner, and I can say I really like it. I don't know what you guys were expecting, but I knew this would be pretty much the same as the original, and it's a refreshing listening. It's not better or worse, it's just different. Drumming is better, bass lines are better, everything sounds clearer now, and although some horns left me quite unhappy during the first 2-3 listens, I realised it's just a matter of time. I really like this album. Of course, I would have preffered new stuff, I think we all can agree in this, but Thomas (and company) is on his right to remake his own album, and I can't say I'm upset with that.

[Unseen2k0]

It isn't bad, but I was hoping for a lot more. I think it's a lot better than the Catch-22 versions though. No doubt there. I still enjoy it a lot.

[KingOfSka]

Goddamnit, I suck at self-control. I like the drumming better so far, but I haven't had time to properly form an opinion on the rest.

I agree, the snare sounds better on the SlM version.

[lynch_me]

It's a waste of time to get, I'd rather listen to the original over it.

[Brain Toad]

It's a waste of time to get, I'd rather listen to the original over it.

Yeah, I wouldn't buy it. But I don't have the orginial on CD either, I should pick it up sometime.

[DaveToopes]

I have the original. I won't be purchasing Streetlight's 'remaster' of it.

[Bukowski]

I like the drumming on this much better than on the original. I think its pretty good, but if i was in their situation i wouldn't really want to make an album based on songs i'd already made with my previous band.

But hey, they did, and it's a good listen.

[_JR]

its gotta be a slap in the face to the people still in catch22 who made the origional, especially some of the stuff he says at the end of 12341234

[Led-ZeppelinIV]

Yeah, I'd be pissed if I were in C22.

[POINTLESS5448]

id be pissed if i were catch22 but then id realize that theyre nothing without thomas.

[KingOfSka]

Theyre something without Tomas. Just not the something they were with him.

I like alot of their post KN stuff.

[Liebensaft]

Without Tomas, they're a generic sounding ska band. With Tomas, they were amazing.

[Kithkin]

Alone in the Crowd was good. Washed Up and Through the Ringer was good. Dinosaur sounds was mediocre at best, bad at average and terrible at worst.

Thomas has never been a good singer, but he's always fit the sound. AitC's singer was a good singer and a good lyricist, and he made up for what Thomas took away. But the people who replaced him were both bad singers and bad lyricists. To say Dinosaur Sounds is a good album is to only look at it on the merits of its best songs and it's horn lines.

[Ghostfire3]

One of the best singers in current ska bands = the singer from The Toasters

[Anarcho Poser]

I'm kind of disappointed at this album.

[Kithkin]

One of the best singers in current ska bands = the singer from The Toasters

Which singer. Bucket is a terrible singer. He has no tone. He has great lyrics but as a singer he's really bad.

He's bad to the extent that if he doesn't have the other singer (a black guy who can really sing) singing with him the whole show kinda sucks.

Technically Bucket can sing in tune, but he falls far behind:

Chris Murray
The guy from the Slackers
The guy from the Mad Caddies
The guy from the Smooths
The girls from the Dance Hall Crashers
The guy from Animal Chin
The guy from Area 7
The guy from Fishbone
The guy from Flavio y la Mandinga
Mark Foggo
The guy from the New York Ska Jazz Ensemble
The guy from Go Jimmy Go
The guy from One Cool Guy
The guy from Jump with Joey
Gwen Stefani
The guy from Reel Big Fish or the Forces of Evil
The guy from Pain
The guy from the Littest Man Band
The guy from Satori
The guy from the Rx Bandits
The guy from Ska-P
The guy from the Suburban Legends
The guy from the Pietasters
The guy from Solabeat Alliance
The guys from Sonic Boom Six
The guy from the Slackers
The guy from Skaos


The best singers are from

The Slackers
The Suburban Legends
The Forces of Evil (but oddly not Reel Big Fish)
The Rx Bandits and
The Littlest Man Band

[Brain Toad]

The guy from the Dance Hall Crashers


girl*

[Ghostfire3]

I don't think he's a terrible singer. But I agree that he has cool lyrics. And I agree that a lot of the people you listed are good singers. I think I said that because I was listening to The Toasters at the time and enjoying it a lot.

[obese_breasts]

It's funny that I see the singer and guitarist for the Mad Caddies around town so often. I saw them at a sushi restaurant I was at a few months back.

[Ghostfire3]

Have you ever talked to them?

[obese_breasts]

yeah, a couple times. Sascha, the guitarist and my dad are friends through music and stuff.

[_JR]

I'm kind of disappointed at this album.

everybody is for the most part,

im glad it happened, but i was expecting more.

[KingOfSka]

Vic Ruggiero from The Slackers is an awesome singer.

So is the guy from Westbound Train.

[Kithkin]

girl*

girls:)

And you could have just edited my post;)

And I may have been pretty drunk when I posted that.

[POINTLESS5448]

brad from sublime was a good singer.

[Brain Toad]

girls:)

And you could have just edited my post;)

And I may have been pretty drunk when I posted that.

I wasn't going to take it that far.

You obviously just copied and pasted "The guy from" I just wanted to rub some dirt on your nose.

[FauxApathy]

Hmm, the site it was one doesn't work but I want to hear it.

[gastery6]

Its nothing special, just wait for it to come out and then download it

[Anarcho Poser]

Its nothing special, just wait for it to come out and then download it
Or just listen to the orriginal Keasby Nights.

[FauxApathy]

So, if it's not different at all, Doesn't it seem like he did it just out of pure spite? Isn't that...kinda... unprofessional of them?

[Lukeh]

Hmmm it would seem that way I spose, at the end of the album he says things like "This is going to piss people off and, at the end of the day, that's all that really matters" and "I don't care if a single record is sold" and "We'll keep doing what we're doing even if a single record isn't sold" and so on.

[tappenzee]

So, if it's not different at all, Doesn't it seem like he did it just out of pure spite? Isn't that...kinda... unprofessional of them?

Listen to the end of the album, he explains. He just says that they were going to do a re-release of the original, and he didn't want it to be a crappy re-release where the sound is untouched and only the cover is changed. So they did a pre-emptive strike and re-recorded it themselves.

Listening to the two back-to-back, the sound is a LOT crisper on this album.

[DaveToopes]

I listened to the original right after SM's, I am so dissapointed by the new one.

[halfdeadhippo]

I listened to the original right after SM's, I am so dissapointed by the new one.
Yeah. The rhythm section sounds a lot better, but the horn arrangements/levels left something to be desired on some songs, I feel. I can't wait for new material.

[DaveToopes]

Same here, I hope SM puts out some awesome new material. I wonder how long that'll be.

[halfdeadhippo]

They're supposed to be writing/recording a new album as we speak, but we may have another Chinese Democracy on our hands.

[DaveToopes]

Chinese Democracy???

I want more BOTAR too.

[FenderSRX]

I am actually quite pleased with this CD. Its all old music, but Im not sure if Im the only one, but Catch 22's keasbey nights had horrible quaility. On this album the drums are a million times better. The basslines are really solid, they sometimes get a little to complicated once and a while. On Catch 22's keabey nights there bassist would play out of tune a lot (he used a fretless so going out tune depends on how your intonation is). The horn sections are much stronger, especially on "this one goes out to", the solos are much more professional. The flute on riding the fourth waves sounds much better. The guitar is more trebly and bassy, and just crisper. Day in Day out has new lyrics which is a good thing. The only thing I didnt really like was the vocals on Keasbey Nights (the song) Tomas tended to be more layed back with his tone, and not as raspy. But overall this album should be a must have for a ska fan. But then again these songs are all old, so many will probably stick to the original, but I think this album overshadows it in musicianship, quality, and professioncy. Its a great album.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Yeah, it seemed to me that the vocals were just really sketchy alot of the time, and the horns sounded very empty. Just kinda, hollow.

[FenderSRX]

am the only ones who has the songs riding the fourth waves, and this one goes out to cut out on them. If someone has the versions of these 2 songs that work right could u please send them to me. thanks.