The System of a Down Thread (MXican Radio #4)

[Lord Sabbath]

i gotta hear that. SOAD rock. \m/

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

I dunno about "shame" not to keen on it tbh. Tentative from mezmerize is an amzing song! I can't stop listenin 2 it

[Rattlehead]

tbh?
and i didnt know tentative was on mezmerize..? well, its not on mine.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

i meant hypnotize lol. to be honest..:)

[purgatory]

I still have yet to buy this album. Any good?

[Rattlehead]

i love it. its got a couple of soft songs, but the others are great. i really enjoy Lonely Day, that's a soft one. but if you dont like daron's voice you wont like some songs, like Stealing Society.

i meant hypnotize lol. to be honest..:)
cooll cheers.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

its a decent album, not as good as toxicity, soad etc, but still pretty good. tentative might be my fav soad song at the moment

[Rattlehead]

there hasn't been much publicity with Hypnotize... not like with mezmerize.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

yea true. IMO i think mezmerize was the better out of the 2, i dont really listen to hypnotize much

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Honestly, Mezmerize is **** compared to Hypnotize. They both aren't the best, Hypnotize just sucked less. I think they should have just released one CD. It would have definately kicked ***.

EDIT - You can't say ***? what the hell

[mudvayne420]

I think Mez/Hyp. was their best, but i don't like the reminesce of soldier side intro in the end of lonely day that they could've done without.

[Rattlehead]

i think they are equally good albums, but in the same way they are both equally lacking in Serj's vocals.

[I'm Charming]

Both albums were terrible.

SOAD as I've said many times is rather talentless.

The only song I've ever liked was "Question!", that was a good song.

[Leukeh]

Both albums were terrible.

SOAD as I've said many times is rather talentless.

The only song I've ever liked was "Question!", that was a good song.
These days it's not about talent. Although most musicians prefer talent... anybody else just goes with what appeals to them. Which is I guess how it should be. I like SOAD, but I like all that style of music so yeah...

The current mainstream music is proof that you don't need much talent to be successful.


And Question! is a good song init?

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

question! is an amazing song. probably because its serj singing in that one :p :rolleyes:

[Rattlehead]

SOAD as I've said many times is rather talentless.
In your opinion. and as for that, i don't know what the hell influenced it. Serj has unique vocal skills, the drumming certainly is not "talentless", and they guitar/bass owns. some of their riffs are incredible. [IMO] to say SOAD are talentless is mad, for me. especially when you have people like Prodigy making even more money from pressing a few buttons.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

In your opinion. and as for that, i don't know what the hell influenced it. Serj has unique vocal skills, the drumming certainly is not "talentless", and they guitar/bass owns. some of their riffs are incredible. [IMO] to say SOAD are talentless is mad, for me. especially when you have people like Prodigy making even more money from pressing a few buttons.

I couldnt agree with you more! and i couldnt have said it any better myself

[Adm1R]

In your opinion. and as for that, i don't know what the hell influenced it. Serj has unique vocal skills, the drumming certainly is not "talentless", and they guitar/bass owns. some of their riffs are incredible. [IMO] to say SOAD are talentless is mad, for me. especially when you have people like Prodigy making even more money from pressing a few buttons.
Lol, i like soad, but prodigy is not "just to press some buttons" so be quite.

[Rattlehead]

im not into techno, but i am fairly educated in it. i know that Prodigy is full of extremely uncomplicated beats. so be *quiet
I couldnt agree with you more! and i couldnt have said it any better myself
:chug:

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

John's facial expressions are famous for being constantly foreboding and angry-looking, which together with his usual smart dress sense, make him look like a Russian Mafia member. Lead singer Serj Tankian was quoted in Kerrang magazine as always trying to make John crack a smile on stage, to which John replied that he had to make an extreme effort to keep a straight face and not get put off beat, which is sometimes not believed due to the fact that John is very rhythmically sound when it comes to his drum beats.

One night, when John was five years old, he woke up in the middle of the night and went to his parent's room out of fright. His parents allowed him to sleep in their bed, and soon after a bullet came through the window of John's room and hit his bed, where he would have been sleeping.


Found these on wikipedia!

[Lunarfall]

Screw their new stuff, go self-titled and Toxicity. :thumb:

[PepsiMetal]

SOAD as I've said many times is rather talentless.

Nope.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

i dont actually know how u can say soad are talentless but nevermind..

[Clunge]

Mesmerize > Hypnotize by a long way. Hypnotize really was a dreadful album.

Self-Titled
Mesmerize
Toxicity
STA!
Hypnotize

For me.

[Neoteric]

I liked Mezmerize but Hypnotize was bloody boring.

[UpperDecker]

I use to like their older stuff alot but i don't really listen to it anymore. I think their new stuff is very bland and half-assed though there are some cool riffs in BYOB Question!. After hearing the first of their double release i didn't bother buying their newest one.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Mesmerize > Hypnotize by a long way. Hypnotize really was a dreadful album.

Self-Titled
Mesmerize
Toxicity
STA!
Hypnotize

For me.

Really??

For me its:
1. S/T
2. STA
3. Toxicity
3. Hypnotize (not a typo)
5. Mezmerize

[purgatory]

Mesmerize > Hypnotize by a long way. Hypnotize really was a dreadful album.

Self-Titled
Mesmerize
Toxicity
STA!
Hypnotize

For me.

Same for me, except take Toxicity and switch it with Mesmerize.

[2muchket!]

Pour Moi its
1.Toxicity
2. S/T
3. Mezmerise
4. STA!
5. Hypnotize
:) their best songs IMO are on toxicity and soldier side is one of their best also.

EDIT: Damn that seems contradictory.

[purgatory]

^ Just a little lol.

[PepsiMetal]

I like toxicity and STA the most. S/T, mez, and hyp are last. They're good just not as good as toxicity really.

[Rattlehead]

yea. self titled is their best IMO. but Tox. is bloody good. then it would be STA, Mez., Hyp. i like it all, except for Stealing Society. but Hypnotize is definately a step-down from the previous albums. but it is perfectly possible that they will right themselves.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

For me I like it all except Stealing Society as well as BYOB. I loathe that song.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

My favourites:

Toxicity
Mezmerize
Self titled and Steal this Album (equal)
Hypnotize

[HAIL TRUE METAL]

No he can't do much better, he's not that good.

He's like lars of metallica, for system of a down. A manager type who plays in a band just because it's his band and he wants to fill that position. :smoke:



So you're saying you listen to music because no one knows about it and if they get big you stop listening because they gain more younger fans, and all of a sudden, because of their younger audience, even their old music that you loved starts sucking?

no. i did like them when i was younger, but i didn't stop liking them when they became big. i stopped listening to them way before that happened. i got into punk for a bout a year and a half and then got into metal.

what i meant was that most of the bands that i listened to when i was younger are bands that are now big and my friends never heard of them before. thats all i said.

[Lunarfall]

1. S/t
2. Toxicity
3. Hypnotize
4. Mezmerize
5. Steal This Album!

That's how I think it.

Aerials = Best Song Ever by them

[New name Spiraldown]

1. Toxicity
2. S/t
3. Steal this Album!
4. Mezmerize
5. Hypnotize

[Moses]

The Richard Cheese version of Chop Suey is alot better. The piano solo intro makes is what does it.

[Rattlehead]

For me I like it all except Stealing Society as well as BYOB. I loathe that song.
i like BYOB. i hate SS.

[JacksonDude675]

i like most of the songs on mezmerize. my favorites are question, byob and cigaro

[JacksonDude675]

i frikin hate lost in hollywood

[Rattlehead]

Bumparooonie

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

lost in hollywood rocks, i dont really like BYOB too much now, its gettin boring

[Rattlehead]

BYOB>>>LIH

neither are much to listen to, but LIH is definately inferior, IMO.

[math_meister]

recently got into system, lovin toxicity album

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

Toxicity is definitely my favourite album!

[mutant!]

Sup gice. Only got Hypnotize a week or so ago. Enjoying it immensely. I must say, Attack is quite good. It ties in well with the whole BYOB "battlefield" effect, and the intro's great for theatrical stage antics - I'd like to see them playing it live. With a little more personality than they usually show. I also like Holy Mountains a lot, sweet harmonies. Lonely Day is a cute little emo anthem, it's so funny (and quite ironic) to hear Daron singing that kind of thing, especially considering his band's oft-political stance. And Soldier Side... what an epic.

Someone in this thread posted something a while ago about how you can link Mezmerize and Hypnotize's tracks together into one long playlist where each song flows into the next. Is this true?

[Rattlehead]

yo man. i doubt it, most of them end within the playback time don't they?? and yea,i like Hypnotise, despite the daron vocal overload.

[mutant!]

CHRIST WHEN WILL PEOPLE STOP GOING ON ABOUT DARON think of it from an artistic point of view. Music is an art, amirite? OK. Thus each song is an artwork. Now look at System's typical lyrical material. For one, they're often immensely sarcastic in bringing their points across. Also, they loooove poking fun at pop culture. Pop-punk bands such as Blink-182 sadly form(ed) a part of pop culture. Thus this kind of music (pop-punk) becomes a metaphor for pop culture. From an artistic point of view, what's a good way to sarcastically poke fun at a music genre?

Imitate it.

Listen to Lonely Day's lyrics. It's a beautiful example of how Daron is (remember this is all IMHO) jabbing a stick at "dark" pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte. It would sound so **** if Serj tried to sing that. In fact, it'd sound like he's being serious. However, Daron's decidedly teenage voice makes it funny. From an artistic point of view, excellent sarcastic irony and use of timbres.

***

Anyway, the whole combined playlist thing: I don't mean the songs should flow into each other, but I mean like one song ends in the same key as the next starts in, or one's outro forms the musical basis for the next song, that kind of thing. I might go browse the thread and see if I can find that list.

[mutant!]

Found it.

Attack
BYOB
Dreaming
Revenga
Kill Rock 'N Roll
Cigaro
Hypnotize
Radio Video
Stealing Society
This Cocaine...
Tentative
Violent Pronography
U-Fig
Question!
Holy Mountains
Sad Statue
Vicinity of Obscenity
Old School Hollywood
She's Like Heroin
Lost in Hollywood
Lonely Day
Soldier Side (intro)
Soldier Side

I'm going to try it now. But I have half-arsed mp3's of Mez, so this won't work as well as it should.

[JacksonDude675]

dude, totally,radio video sounds kinda like byob at the intro

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

dude, totally,radio video sounds kinda like byob at the intro
Is that a joke. I honestly can't tell. Either
1) You aren't funny. Not even close, or
2) You are an idiot.

[PepsiMetal]

BYOB doesn't sound like Radio Video at all. You need to visit an ear doctor if you think so. Seriously.

[Crysiss]

dude, totally,radio video sounds kinda like byob at the intro

:lol:

I bet your gonna get another banning in another week or so.

[A_Guy]

Listen to Lonely Day's lyrics. It's a beautiful example of how Daron is (remember this is all IMHO) jabbing a stick at "dark" pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte. It would sound so **** if Serj tried to sing that. In fact, it'd sound like he's being serious. However, Daron's decidedly teenage voice makes it funny. From an artistic point of view, excellent sarcastic irony and use of timbres.

If they're poking fun at a genre, they obviously don't enjoy it, so why would the promote a song they don't like?

[PepsiMetal]

I'm not saying they did the song to make fun of pop punk, but that doesn't mean they don't like a song if it's true. It's their song, and obviously they thought it was good enough to be on the record.

[Skit]

obviously they thought it was good enough to be on the record.

The band didnt want it on the album.

Its only on the album because Rick Rubin told them too put it on.

[mutant!]

If they're poking fun at a genre, they obviously don't enjoy it, so why would the promote a song they don't like?
Not necessarily, man. If they wrote it and they play it, then obviously they either (a) enjoy it or (b) find it funny. In either case it's enough motivation to keep playing it so they can poke fun at the aforementioned bands.

Just as an example, I hate listening to punk but, like any other music genre, plauying it has its perks. Like the fact that you can strum excessively hard and bounce around. That's why I played bass for my friend's punk band a year or so ago. I hated listening to the music, but it was fun to play.

[Clunge]

Don't know if this has been done before but if you had to make one album of of the Mesmerize/Hypnotize release, what would you pic (say 12 songs):

1. Soldier Side (Mesmerize)
2. BYOB
3. Attack
4. Stealing Society
5. Revenga
6. Dreaming
7. Radio/Video
8. Tentative
9. This Cocaine...
10. Violent Pornography
11. Sad Statue
12. Soldier Side (Hypnotize)

[mutant!]

I'd like to do this too but I haven't listened to Hypnotize enough to know it well. I totally agree with your tracks 1-3 and 12 though.

[Clunge]

To be honest, the more I listen to M/H, the less I like both albums really. The only tracks that standout completely are Revenga and BYOB.

[Rattlehead]

CHRIST WHEN WILL PEOPLE STOP GOING ON ABOUT DARON think of it from an artistic point of view. Music is an art, amirite? OK. Thus each song is an artwork. Now look at System's typical lyrical material. For one, they're often immensely sarcastic in bringing their points across. Also, they loooove poking fun at pop culture. Pop-punk bands such as Blink-182 sadly form(ed) a part of pop culture. Thus this kind of music (pop-punk) becomes a metaphor for pop culture. From an artistic point of view, what's a good way to sarcastically poke fun at a music genre?

Imitate it.

Listen to Lonely Day's lyrics. It's a beautiful example of how Daron is (remember this is all IMHO) jabbing a stick at "dark" pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte. It would sound so **** if Serj tried to sing that. In fact, it'd sound like he's being serious. However, Daron's decidedly teenage voice makes it funny. From an artistic point of view, excellent sarcastic irony and use of timbres.

***

Anyway, the whole combined playlist thing: I don't mean the songs should flow into each other, but I mean like one song ends in the same key as the next starts in, or one's outro forms the musical basis for the next song, that kind of thing. I might go browse the thread and see if I can find that list.
fair enough, there are a load of good points there, and i respect his plight to knock shitty genres, but for SOAD, it sounds awful, IMO. Hence my thoughts on the "Daron vocal overload"

[mutant!]

^ I feel you. I actually enjoy it, it's a nice break from the darker, heavier stuff. But yeah, to each his own.

[JacksonDude675]

Is that a joke. I honestly can't tell. Either
1) You aren't funny. Not even close, or
2) You are an idiot.

look i dont know if it was radio video, i thought it was, it must have been some other song, but i know that there is another song on mezmerize that sounds similar to byob intro

[Insipid2000]

Maybe you were thinking Sad Statue number 9?

[Tele_Dude]

I can't see why people like Mezmerize so much...

First of all, B.Y.O.B is on there. And Violent Pr0nography. I can't stand those songs^^
I think the lyrics are too repetitive, and they're pretty bad too, compared to the more Serj-ish lyrics on Hypnotize.

On Hypnotize, you have Attack, Dreaming, Tentative, U-Fig, Holy Mountains, Vicinity of Obcenity, and Soldier Side, and those are awesome songs, imo. The others are good too, but not THAT good.

The only songs that stand out to me on Mezmerize are Revenga, This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song, and Question!.
I've kinda grown off the rest... And that's a shame, because I used to love them. But now I find them boring. I've been listening to Hypnotize a lot, and I simply don't get sick of it.

And for the top 5 album thing, my list would be something like this:

1. S/T
2. Hypnotize
3. Toxicity
4. Mezmerize
5. Steal This Album!

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

I probably like Mezmerize and Hypnotize equally, I dont really think either is better, they both have the same amount of great songs.

[JacksonDude675]

dude, byob and VP are awesome songs. especially byob. no mezmerize and hypnotize arent there best albums, i for one, like them beack when they were really heavy like in there self titled album. but there still good albums. but your right question is a really good song too

[JacksonDude675]

Maybe you were thinking Sad Statue number 9?

maybe i was. maybe i wasnt ill have to listen to those songs again

[msufan23]

I can't see why people like Mezmerize so much...

First of all, B.Y.O.B is on there. And Violent Pr0nography. I can't stand those songs^^
I think the lyrics are too repetitive, and they're pretty bad too, compared to the more Serj-ish lyrics on Hypnotize.

On Hypnotize, you have Attack, Dreaming, Tentative, U-Fig, Holy Mountains, Vicinity of Obcenity, and Soldier Side, and those are awesome songs, imo. The others are good too, but not THAT good.

The only songs that stand out to me on Mezmerize are Revenga, This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song, and Question!.
I've kinda grown off the rest... And that's a shame, because I used to love them. But now I find them boring. I've been listening to Hypnotize a lot, and I simply don't get sick of it.

And for the top 5 album thing, my list would be something like this:

1. S/T
2. Hypnotize
3. Toxicity
4. Mezmerize
5. Steal This Album!




you know that attack u-fig and V of O a pretty reptitive too so that really doesnt make much sense i like em both anyway

[mutant!]

If y'all had to choose, objectively, which single song from Mez and Hyp is the best (irrespective of who System "really" are or what they "should" be playing), what would your choice be?

I'd say Question!.

[Clunge]

Ergh, Hypnotize continues to sound ever shitter to me.

Best off Mesmerize = Revenga
Best off Hypnotize = Tentative.

[snailboy]

I like Hypnotize. It has an amazing feel to it.

[Adm1R]

I like Mez/Hyz, but i shure hope that Soad make some songs like they used to do once. I really miss the old soad.

[snailboy]

I like SOAD's new sound quite a bit actually.

[mutant!]

^ Me too. Question! just totally pwns, it's such a great song.

I WANT MEZMERIZE AGAIN!!! My mp3's are fried.

[Insipid2000]

I want self-titled again.

[PepsiMetal]

If y'all had to choose, objectively, which single song from Mez and Hyp is the best (irrespective of who System "really" are or what they "should" be playing), what would your choice be?

I'd say Question!.

Hmm, let's see. I'd probably agree with you and say Question!. It's the only song that won't get boring. Others get boring after a couple listens for me.

I want self-titled again.

I hope they make an album like toxicity. Needles, Prison song, chop suey, deer dance, atwa, forest, aerials, toxicity, and psycho are all great songs. That album has the best "Good tracks:Number of tracks on album" imo.

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

Toxicity is my favourite album, its amazing and has such great songs, every single song on that album is their best stuff.

Favourite on Mezmerize: Question! or Old School Hollywood
Favourite on Hypnotize: Tentative

[Rattlehead]

this thread is getting a bit repetetive. shall we move on from Hypnotize/Mezmerize?

NP: Know

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

start a new topic then

[Rattlehead]

good idea.

[Skit]

^Great topic that is :lol:


How about you all go out and by the SOAD book thats released tomorrow?
That'll make for a good discussion :thumb:

[Rattlehead]

^Great topic that is :lol:


How about you all go out and by the SOAD book thats released tomorrow?
That'll make for a good discussion :thumb:
lol.
cool. now where to buy...??

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

Whats the book? I didn't know there was one coming out...

[Rattlehead]

so has anyone bought the book?

i couldn't be bothered:p

/bump

[!MuDvAyNiAn!]

Answer my question please...

[Rattlehead]

its a SOAD book.. i know nothing else.

[Neoteric]

Old School Hollywood is a cool song even if it is cheesy with the robot voice.

[Rattlehead]

yeah. i would prefer some more old SOAD stuff though.

[Insipid2000]

I think that soad should use more of their death metal screams like they did in S/t.

[Skit]

Wow, Some offical thread this.... :lol:


Its a biography of the band so far.
Its called "Right Here In Hollywood"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0954970462/qid=1146653571/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/203-6219295-4155102

[Clunge]

Ben Myers is good.

He wrote 'Inside The Muscle Museum', the Muse book :cool:

[metaliger]

I may buy that book one day

[Skit]

I just bought it yesterday and Im about halfway though, theres lots of good stuff in there that I never knew before.

(Names of the bands they where in pre-soil etc)

Everyone should check it out :thumb:

[Grumma]

I think that soad should use more of their death metal screams like they did in S/t.

I think Daron should also shut up; his whiney, nasily voice (mainly off hypnotize) annoys the crap out of me (btw Im a big SOAD fan; own all their albums)

[espbassist]

I reccomend the first album to anyone who doesn't have it. I find it much more 'pure', not some watered down crap.

/cant explain
Agreed, I love that album, every album succesively seems to get a little worse.

[Element of LED 435]

i was going to go to ozzfest just to see SOAD b4 they seperate becuz i havent b4 but the best seats i could find are UU to the left of the theater which are sucky seats and i have to pay $95!!!! its outrageous so i guess im not going to ever see them live..... i dont think im missing out much... am i?

[A_Guy]

i was going to go to ozzfest just to see SOAD b4 they seperate becuz i havent b4 but the best seats i could find are UU to the left of the theater which are sucky seats and i have to pay $95!!!! its outrageous so i guess im not going to ever see them live..... i dont think im missing out much... am i?
Maybe someone will be nice enough to answer your question if you would take the time to use correct grammer and spelling.

[mutant!]

I think Daron should also shut up; his whiney, nasily voice (mainly off hypnotize) annoys the crap out of me (btw Im a big SOAD fan; own all their albums)
:rolleyes:

[grungeboygtr]

Which song by them has a sitar solo...I know there is one but I can't remember the name.

[Crysiss]

I think Daron should also shut up; his whiney, nasily voice (mainly off hypnotize) annoys the crap out of me (btw Im a big SOAD fan; own all their albums)

In some songs, They dont need to be taken seriously.

[Hevy Tred]

Old School Hollywood is a cool song even if it is cheesy with the robot voice.

Actually thats the only song besides question i even like off thier new album.

It was a big letdown for me, Steal this album and toxicity ruled. This..No

[ultim8bassist]

I heard System was breaking up. Any truth to this?

[Clunge]

No, just hiatus.

[ultim8bassist]

Actually thats the only song besides question i even like off thier new album.

It was a big letdown for me, Steal this album and toxicity ruled. This..No

They never made a song i didnt like. If there was one song i had to pick tho i'd say it was Old School Hollywood.

(Legend of Zelda as well, but they were probably just messing around)

[ultim8bassist]

You going to see them at Ozzfest this year?

[Skit]

:rolleyes:
Legend of Zelda isnt by SOAD!

:angry:

[Rattlehead]

:rolleyes:
why?

[mutant!]

I'm sick and tired of people dissing Daron's singing. From an artistic point of view it fits perfectly in the band's lyrical context. Let's just say it's bad on purpose. And you can't deny his voice harmonises very well with Serj's.

Search a couple or 20 pages back if you want to read what I have to say about him. (Tip: search the thread for "Blink 182".)

[Grumma]

In some songs, They dont need to be taken seriously.

Yeah i know that but his vocals are bad to listen to; regardless of what he's singing

[Grumma]

:rolleyes:
Legend of Zelda isnt by SOAD!

:angry:

Damn beat me to it :p

[Clunge]

Meh, I really don't like Daron's vocals.

Serj is just so much cooler in all aspects.

[mutant!]

Nah, I like them equally. I love Serj's almost operatic style of singing, and I love Daron's more whiny stuff like the "my c0ck" line.

Anyway, like I said before, whether you like his voice or not, artistically, they couldn't have asked for a better secondary singer.

[form]

System Of A Down - Toxicity II (Unreleased)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

01-Everytime
02-Streamline
03-Virginity
04-Waiting For You (Version 1)
05-We Don't Give A
06-Side Of The Freeway
07-On My Mind
08-Want Me To Try
09-Why
10-Power Struggle
11-Therapy
12-Outer Space
13-Your Own Pace
14-Defy
15-Waiting For You (Version 2)

I posted it in mailing list thread, but here too, anyone want it?

[msufan23]

what do you think is the best unreleased/cover system has ever did my fav is the metro

[mutant!]

I dig Snowblind. Also, Shame On A Nigga, even though I don't have the song and have only heard it once.

[PepsiMetal]

Meh, I really don't like Daron's vocals.

Serj is just so much cooler in all aspects.

Daron sounds just like most other pop punk singers. Nothing unique about him. Serj on the other hand is quite unique, and has a pretty cool growl that he uses sometimes.

But yea, their vocals aren't even comparable. Soad without Serj would suck.

[Grumma]

Im pretty sure that growl is Daron; Serj's growl is more akin to yelling rather than any singing technique/style

[mutant!]

WTH are you on about?

Anyway, no, Serj does the growling. And the yelling. And the singing. Daron does the screaming and the whining.

[c_rogue68]

what do you think is the best unreleased/cover system has ever did my fav is the metro
I agree...it's my favorite song to jam on my guitar with.

[msufan23]

I dig Snowblind. Also, Shame On A Nigga, even though I don't have the song and have only heard it once.

ya but snowblind is a black sabbath song so its just a cover but it is a good song

[Jeavo]

I like the metro...its just a really cool song. Going back to the lyrical thing, darons voice sucks. He sounds like he has a pole shoved up his behind. Serj's voice rocks though, goes with there style of music.

[mutant!]

CHRIST WHEN WILL PEOPLE STOP GOING ON ABOUT DARON think of it from an artistic point of view. Music is an art, amirite? OK. Thus each song is an artwork. Now look at System's typical lyrical material. For one, they're often immensely sarcastic in bringing their points across. Also, they loooove poking fun at pop culture. Pop-punk bands such as Blink-182 sadly form(ed) a part of pop culture. Thus this kind of music (pop-punk) becomes a metaphor for pop culture. From an artistic point of view, what's a good way to sarcastically poke fun at a music genre?

Imitate it.

Listen to Lonely Day's lyrics. It's a beautiful example of how Daron is (remember this is all IMHO) jabbing a stick at "dark" pop-punk bands like Good Charlotte. It would sound so **** if Serj tried to sing that. In fact, it'd sound like he's being serious. However, Daron's decidedly teenage voice makes it funny. From an artistic point of view, excellent sarcastic irony and use of timbres.
Nuff said.

[Duman]

^ Truth.

[Lunarfall]

WTH are you on about?

Anyway, no, Serj does the growling. And the yelling. And the singing. Daron does the screaming and the whining.

Nope, it's Daron who does the growl. Saw a live video when they were playing "Atwa" once. The growler was Daron.

[Skit]

Yes, LIVE being the key word.

Daron adds in growls etc live but on the albums its almost always Serj

[Grumma]

No it's Daron

aka start of prison song aka start of cigaro aka the chorus of atwa.

Do you wish me to continue?

[mutant!]

I've tried fighting this fight. I've never won.

[Skit]

I think Cigaro is all Serj, Though it could be Daron at first then Serj backs up with a higher scream at 12 seconds


The start of Prison Song is so obviously Serj, You can hear that its Serjs voice, Also Daron cant growl that low.
However, Daron growls on the "Research on sucessful drug..." part, He also does the "For you and me" and other parts but that is clearly Daron anyway..


Likewise, The chorus of ATWA is so obviously Daron.
Its clearly his voice.



I cant believe you people cant tell the difference between there voices...

[Duman]

I think Cigaro is all Serj, Though it could be Daron at first then Serj backs up with a higher scream at 12 seconds


The start of Prison Song is so obviously Serj, You can hear that its Serjs voice, Also Daron cant growl that low.
However, Daron growls on the "Research on sucessful drug..." part, He also does the "For you and me" and other parts but that is clearly Daron anyway..


Likewise, The chorus of ATWA is so obviously Daron.
Its clearly his voice.



I cant believe you people cant tell the difference between there voices...

I hope you're being sarcastic, for your own sake..:eek:

[Skit]

Meaning...?
Which one of those songs do you believe I got it wrong?

[Duman]

Meaning...?
Which one of those songs do you believe I got it wrong?

Ok well.. ATWA.. lets see.. serj does na na's, sings the first two sentences, then Daron comes in. They do it again.. then 'you dont care about how i feel' is Serj, not Daron. Then they do 'na na na' together. Serj sings again for 2, Daron joins him, and then repeat. Chorus again, it's Serj screaming. The 'i dont sleeep' is Serj, then Shavo does the 'ANYMOOOOORE'. Daron's not anywhere near there so whichever one you were referring to as a chorus, Daron isn't in it.

In Cigaro, I assume you're talking about the growls, in which case you're probably right but obviously Daron sings a lot of that song normally.

[Skit]

I wasnt saying the whole song is Daron, I was refering to the growl in the chorus.
The "Anymore!" part is Daron.

The parts where they are just singing, Is obvious whos who (As you said above).


Shavo doesnt sing on any album song as far as I remember (Maybe bounce..) but he does some grunts live now and again.

[msufan23]

seem to be a good mix nomatter who sings it

[Duman]

I wasnt saying the whole song is Daron, I was refering to the growl in the chorus.
The "Anymore!" part is Daron.

The parts where they are just singing, Is obvious whos who (As you said above).


Shavo doesnt sing on any album song as far as I remember (Maybe bounce..) but he does some grunts live now and again.

Yeah sorry when I first read your post I thought you were referring to the whole songs.. but I still think 'Anymore!' is Shavo because Daron's voice doesn't really go that deep tbh

[WishYouWereHere]

why does anyone care who sings it?

[Grumma]

Obviously some have their reasons otherwise they wouldnt be arguing :p

And whoever said Shavo only does screams live is right.
Daron can go that low when he screams/growl whatever.
By the sounds of it his nasily voice is about as high as he can go without really losing pitch

[Skit]

Yeah, Daron can go quite low, but his vocals on Lonely Day are about as high as he can go.

[Grumma]

Which song by them has a sitar solo...I know there is one but I can't remember the name.


I *think* it's Deer Dance off Toxicity

[Synthetical]

I just saw them live for a second time within 10 months. They put on a really good show.

[Against Miik!]

Most intense live show i've ever seen, and i've seen a lot of good shows. That may change after I see Unholy Alliance on Friday, but hopefully not because I really like SOAD.

[StealThisAlbumof2112]

Well, either wayy
I think Daron should sing that much at all
Serj is a much better Vocalist than Daron
I think he takes too much of the spotlight on the newer Album

[711]

Well, either wayy
I think Daron should sing that much at all
Serj is a much better Vocalist than Daron
I think he takes too much of the spotlight on the newer Album

Yeah, I think Serj should sing more. I like Daron's voice sometimes, but it can get irritating after a while.

[StealThisAlbumof2112]

Yeah
It's not that he's really bad
Just he doesn't deserve all the spotlight that he gets, in terms of singing
Serj is great, I can't wait for his solo stuff, it's going to kick *** man
:)

[StealThisAlbumof2112]

Yeah
It's not that he's really bad
Just he doesn't deserve all the spotlight that he gets, in terms of singing
Serj is great, I can't wait for his solo stuff, it's going to kick *** man
:)