Xenogears

[CleverRecords]

I broke out this old game the other day, and it caused me to remember it's ridiculous awesomeness. I think it's tied with FFVII and FFVI for Greatest RPG Ever.

Anyone else played it? And I'm not talking about Xenosaga, although if you've played Saga and not Gears.... You're missing out big time.

[The Profit of Maine]

I've always wanted to play it, but the only copy I ever found in stores was for $50 two years ago in a Toys 'R' Us. I kinda gave up a few months afterward.

[Mr. Ron]

BEST RPG EVER MADE.

I stand by those words.





Xenosaga was complete garbage though.

[CleverRecords]

I haven't played much of Xenosaga as of yet, but from what I have played, it's alright. Nothing spectacular like its predecessor, but pretty fun nonetheless.

[Mr. Ron]

I haven't played much of Xenosaga as of yet, but from what I have played, it's alright. Nothing spectacular like its predecessor, but pretty fun nonetheless.
I think the characters suck. Plus the story line has nothing to do with Xenogears what so ever. I don't know, Xenogears was soooo in depth and the characters were so well thought out that it was actually a life changing game for me.

[red barchetta]

most underrated game ever. xenogears > ff7. but not xenogears > ff6. amazing soundtrack as well

[Mr. Ron]

most underrated game ever. xenogears > ff7. but not xenogears > ff6. amazing soundtrack as well
A local college radio station has a show dedicated completely to video game music. They play Xenogears tracks all the time.

I have heard a lot about how FF6 is a realllllyyyyy good game. Was it for SNES?

[red barchetta]

A local college radio station has a show dedicated completely to video game music. They play Xenogears tracks all the time.
i am obsessed with rpg soundtracks...

http://www.ffhybrid.net/mp3/mp3s.php

you can download the xenogears soundtrack here if you want. registering is free.

[Mr. Ron]

i am obsessed with rpg soundtracks...

http://www.ffhybrid.net/mp3/mp3s.php

you can download the xenogears soundtrack here if you want. registering is free.
Thanks. :thumb:

[red barchetta]

wait, the soundtrack is offline at the moment...

[CleverRecords]

Nooooo!!!1 t3h $0un|)7r@(k 1$ t3h |)0wnz0r!

Seriously though, do they just go down from time to time, or is this a permanent problem?

[Mr. Ron]

What is everyone's favorite part of Xenogears? Mine is when Lahan blows up. I'm sure there are better ones, I haven't played it in a while.....

*goes to play*

[red barchetta]

not sure, they went through a technical difficulty about a month or so ago which offlined every soundtrack. most of them are back now but they only seem to be the well known soundtracks AKA the final fantasy soundtracks.... oh well, help yourselves to the excellent FF9 soundtrack

[CleverRecords]

Must... download... entire... FF... music collection...



Erm......... Off the top of my head, I think its the fall of Shevat. I know that my least favorite part was having to go into the sewers of the prison, I got stuck there FOREVER.

[Mr. Ron]

Must... download... entire... FF... music collection...



Erm......... Off the top of my head, I think its the fall of Shevat. I know that my least favorite part was having to go into the sewers of the prison, I got stuck there FOREVER.
SWEET CHOCOLATE JESUS i hated the sewers. I got lost so many times. :p

Redrum was pretty easy though.

[Lionheart1827]

I think the characters suck. Plus the story line has nothing to do with Xenogears what so ever. I don't know, Xenogears was soooo in depth and the characters were so well thought out that it was actually a life changing game for me.

Xenosaga isnt supposed to have any relation to Xenogears, other than the name.

and yes, FFVI, Xenogears, and Chrono Trigger are the best rpgs made imo. :thumb:

[red barchetta]

xenosaga was made by namco i believe? and xenogears was made by square, so they are different games

[Mr. Ron]

Xenosaga isnt supposed to have any relation to Xenogears, other than the name.

and yes, FFVI, Xenogears, and Chrono Trigger are the best rpgs made imo. :thumb:
But it's a prequel, shouldn't it have SOME relevance to Xenogears?


I also noticed that there really isn't any new RPG's that make me excited when playing them, I guess the old days of actual story line and character development are over, and flashy graphics are in style....

[CleverRecords]

There are too many connections between Xenosaga and Xenogears to claim that they aren't intentional. Such as the giant save point that is the Zohar in the beginning of Xenosaga.

And I agree with bitterseason, I think the graphic revolution has kind of killed some of the storyline value. Back when Xenogears came out, the graphics sucked by necessity, so no one worried about. Same thing for FFVI, with their giant heads and tiny little bodies.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.xgam.org/

All a Xenogears nut would want in a website. :thumb:

[Mr. Ron]

There are too many connections between Xenosaga and Xenogears to claim that they aren't intentional. Such as the giant save point that is the Zohar in the beginning of Xenosaga.

And I agree with bitterseason, I think the graphic revolution has kind of killed some of the storyline value. Back when Xenogears came out, the graphics sucked by necessity, so no one worried about. Same thing for FFVI, with their giant heads and tiny little bodies.
Yes. I actually think a lot of the appeal of Xenogears is the sub-par graphics, well, at least for me.

[red barchetta]

now, all the public want are good graphics and fancy cut-scenes in rpgs, so the makers are not putting enough effort in the characters and the story (i think ff10 and 10-2 are the best examples).

i think square-enix will fail with ff12, 13 and so on... they just cant get it right anymore.

stupid graphics...

[CleverRecords]

Yes. I actually think a lot of the appeal of Xenogears is the sub-par graphics, well, at least for me.

I thought it was rather pretty... The cutscenes and FMVs anyway. It's pretty where it needs to be, in other words.

[Mr. Ron]

I thought it was rather pretty... The cutscenes and FMVs anyway. It's pretty where it needs to be, in other words.
Oh don't get me wrong, I love the graphics. :thumb:

[Mr. Ron]

now, all the public want are good graphics and fancy cut-scenes in rpgs, so the makers are not putting enough effort in the characters and the story (i think ff10 and 10-2 are the best examples).

i think square-enix will fail with ff12, 13 and so on... they just cant get it right anymore.

stupid graphics...
Oh man...don't get me started on FF10 & FF10-2..... :lol:

http://forums.xgam.org/index.php?

Great Xenogears Forum.

[Chanandler Bong]

I actually read a little while ago that Xenogears may have been banned in the states. I forget why though.


Great game.

[CleverRecords]

It was almost banned, and had to be altered before it came to the states, because of some of the religious themes it talks about. I'd like to get an "uncut" version translated sometime, though.

[Otherside]

I love Xenogears and Xenosaga. Xenosaga is a different type of game, but I still love it. The cutscenes are so good. Xenogears on the other hand, I like the story alot more, and the battle system is pretty good too. Xenosaga II's battle system isn't that great though.

[Kingofdudes]

Xenogears has one of the best storyline ever. Mitsuda also came up with some great songs for it.

[Otherside]

I am getting damn frustrated. I'm playing through this again, and I can't beat this **** boss on Rescue Aveh, the one where you have to fight elly after like 5 other people. I end up having no fuel left by the time I fight her >:|

[Bitter]

I am getting damn frustrated. I'm playing through this again, and I can't beat this **** boss on Rescue Aveh, the one where you have to fight elly after like 5 other people. I end up having no fuel left by the time I fight her >:|
Vandankrum?

[red barchetta]

the xenogears soundtrack is finally online.

http://www.ffhybrid.net/mp3/mp3s.php

[Bitter]

Who was everyone's favorite character in Xenogears?

Mine was probably Grahf. Such an evil dude, but mysterious and cool.

[Lionheart1827]

Who was everyone's favorite character in Xenogears?

Mine was probably Grahf. Such an evil dude, but mysterious and cool.

Probably Fei's "Id". :thumb: And Citan.

[Chanandler Bong]

I hope theres a prequel to this game.

[CleverRecords]

I hope theres a prequel to this game.

I'm praying that you're kidding.

It would only be redundant if I were to say who my favorite character is.

(<--------- Hint)

[Bitter]

Probably Fei's "Id". :thumb: And Citan.
Yeah, especially after they drop the Yggdrasil on him and he picks it up by himself. :lol:

[Mister_Che]

Id, without a doubt.

[Bitter]

Ramsus proves to be a wimp throughout most of the game, but he has his moments, like when he gets Vendetta and goes on a rampage.



No one better say Chu-Chu.............. :(

[Lionheart1827]

Ramsus proves to be a wimp throughout most of the game, but he has his moments, like when he gets Vendetta and goes on a rampage.



No one better say Chu-Chu.............. :(

OMGZ LOLZ CHU-CHU IS TEH GARTEST! :lol:

[Bitter]

OMGZ LOLZ CHU-CHU IS TEH GARTEST! :lol:
GAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

lol. She is just a waste of space in the game. An uneeded character with no significant impact on the story. Plus she sucks in battle.

[Mister_Che]

GAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

lol. She is just a waste of space in the game. An uneeded character with no significant impact on the story. Plus she sucks in battle.

It's been a while but didn't Chu-Chu turn big and defeat Achtzehn? I really don't remember.

[Bitter]

It's been a while but didn't Chu-Chu turn big and defeat Achtzehn? I really don't remember.
Yeah, but other than that, worthless character.

[Mister_Che]

Yeah, but other than that, worthless character.

Well shes defenitely no Citan thats for sure...

[Bitter]

Well shes defenitely no Citan thats for sure...
Oh god no. Citan was so awesome, especially when he betrayed Fei.

[Mister_Che]

Oh god no. Citan was so awesome, especially when he betrayed Fei.

I wish Solaris had more areas to explore, I liked the look of the place.

[Chanandler Bong]

I'm praying that you're kidding.

It would only be redundant if I were to say who my favorite character is.

(<--------- Hint)


Oh but I'm not kidding.

[Bitter]

Oh but I'm not kidding.
I wouldn't want a prequel, they would somehow **** it up.

[CleverRecords]

Isn't Xenosaga a prequel of sorts? If I'm not mistaken, it's set in the time before the World Ship crashed on the Xenogears planet. The technological level seems about the same, and a lot of the images seem pretty similar to me (such as the GIANT SAVE POINT THAT IS THE ZOHAR).

[Drall]

Are you serious?! Yasunori Mitsuda composed the tunes? Damn, I've got to buy this game already.

[red barchetta]

Are you serious?! Yasunori Mitsuda composed the tunes? Damn, I've got to buy this game already.
am i right in thinking that you're a chrono trigger fan?

[Bitter]

Isn't Xenosaga a prequel of sorts? If I'm not mistaken, it's set in the time before the World Ship crashed on the Xenogears planet. The technological level seems about the same, and a lot of the images seem pretty similar to me (such as the GIANT SAVE POINT THAT IS THE ZOHAR).
Like I said, since Xenosaga is a prequel, they screwed it up.

[Bitter]

Psychoanalysis on Fei
Written and researched by: Dark

Citan: "He... Fei that is, has Disassociative Identity Disorder... Also known more commonly as multiple personalities. It is a mental disorder where a person has multiple personalities. I have been watching over Fei, who has a destroyer personality within him named 'Id'."

The routes of Fei’s disorder go back to his traumatic experiences in Solaris, when he was experimented upon by his mother. At the age of 4, Fei would not have had a properly formed superego, but his Id would be very strong. Thus Fei’s Id grew and dominated his Ego, while the superego was in decline and so became known as the Coward. The only restraint on Fei’s Id was his weakened Ego, which, in times of crisis would completely give in to his Id. When Fei lost consciousness his Id would not send him symbolic dreams, but would instead, take control of the Ego and carry out its destructive wishes.

Though the Id has no personality of its own, in Fei's case it completely dominates the original personality of the Ego. It is probably the strengthened thanatos that causes the acts of extreme violence, as if a great load of self directed aggression were to be produced, the individual would commit suicide. Fei's Ego ideal is in extreme retreat, producing a low level of self-esteem, this guilt also contributes to the aggression of the Id.

Not every torture victim develops such a complex psychological condition as Fei. Thus the extra impetus for the Id would have to come from another source. Given that Fei was 4 at the time, and that his mother was partly responsible, this extra strength of his Id could come from the Oedipal complex.

As we grow and develop, Freud believed we passed through several psycho/sexual stages of development. One of the most important of these is the phallic stage (2-6 years). During this stage a child comes to terms with their own sexuality as male or female, and also goes through the Oedipus (for boys), or Electra (for girls), complex.

In the Oedipus complex, a boy feels incestuous feelings for his mother, but fears his father as a more powerful rival. In the normal coarse of development a boy will give up his feelings for his mother, then identify with his father in the process known as identifying with the aggressor. In Fei’s case, he saw his mother as the enemy and his father as his savior, thus he felt both feelings of desire, and feelings of hatred for his mother. Both desire and hatred are attributes of the Id. Thus Fei’s Id was required to produce conflicting emotions and became strong. His superego, which should have told him that it was useless to desire his mother, was not needed because he hated his mother. Thus Fei’s superego decayed as the Id grew.

Fei was partially cured by his father, Kahn, who sealed the Id away from the conscious. Thus Fei’s only personality in Lahan was his overworked Ego, with a barrier placed between himself and the Id. But the Id is a necessary - if evil - part of the mind, so Fei was forced to create a weakened id to reside in his pre-conscious as the unnamed one. His underdeveloped superego was thus the dominating force, which was able to turn Fei’s ego to good behaviour, but after the reawakening of Fei’s original Id, his Superego was no longer able to cope, and thus the Ego was laid bare to give in to the Id’s demands.

The fundamental cause of Fei’s disturbed psychosis is due to the Contact Abel made with the Wave Existence 10,000 years ago. The transference of information and the connection of two vastly different minds was a prime cause of the Fei/Id and also the Lacan/Grahf phenomena. Whilst the first instance of ‘Contact’ was not the direct cause of Fei - or Lacan’s - altered psychosis, the 2nd Contact - made by Lacan after the death of Sophia - probably played some role in the manifestation of Id within Fei, and there is also evidence to suggest that Grahf is in fact, a manifestation of Lacan’s Id.




Interesting.

[Nra4ever_17]

But it's a prequel, shouldn't it have SOME relevance to Xenogears?

Xenogears=Xenosaga 5

I've only played Xenogears, which I borrowed from a friend a couple years ago. Great game, but kinda confusing.

[Bitter]

Xenogears=Xenosaga 5

I've only played Xenogears, which I borrowed from a friend a couple years ago. Great game, but kinda confusing.
Yeah, you have to pay close attention to the story line or you will get lost at certain points.

[Nra4ever_17]

Yeah, you have to pay close attention to the story line or you will get lost at certain points.

Believe me, I know :p

[CleverRecords]

I really need to find a translated version of Perfect Works... or learn Japanese...

[Lionheart1827]

Psychoanalysis on Fei
Written and researched by: Dark

Citan: "He... Fei that is, has Disassociative Identity Disorder... Also known more commonly as multiple personalities. It is a mental disorder where a person has multiple personalities. I have been watching over Fei, who has a destroyer personality within him named 'Id'."

The routes of Fei’s disorder go back to his traumatic experiences in Solaris, when he was experimented upon by his mother. At the age of 4, Fei would not have had a properly formed superego, but his Id would be very strong. Thus Fei’s Id grew and dominated his Ego, while the superego was in decline and so became known as the Coward. The only restraint on Fei’s Id was his weakened Ego, which, in times of crisis would completely give in to his Id. When Fei lost consciousness his Id would not send him symbolic dreams, but would instead, take control of the Ego and carry out its destructive wishes.

Though the Id has no personality of its own, in Fei's case it completely dominates the original personality of the Ego. It is probably the strengthened thanatos that causes the acts of extreme violence, as if a great load of self directed aggression were to be produced, the individual would commit suicide. Fei's Ego ideal is in extreme retreat, producing a low level of self-esteem, this guilt also contributes to the aggression of the Id.

Not every torture victim develops such a complex psychological condition as Fei. Thus the extra impetus for the Id would have to come from another source. Given that Fei was 4 at the time, and that his mother was partly responsible, this extra strength of his Id could come from the Oedipal complex.

As we grow and develop, Freud believed we passed through several psycho/sexual stages of development. One of the most important of these is the phallic stage (2-6 years). During this stage a child comes to terms with their own sexuality as male or female, and also goes through the Oedipus (for boys), or Electra (for girls), complex.

In the Oedipus complex, a boy feels incestuous feelings for his mother, but fears his father as a more powerful rival. In the normal coarse of development a boy will give up his feelings for his mother, then identify with his father in the process known as identifying with the aggressor. In Fei’s case, he saw his mother as the enemy and his father as his savior, thus he felt both feelings of desire, and feelings of hatred for his mother. Both desire and hatred are attributes of the Id. Thus Fei’s Id was required to produce conflicting emotions and became strong. His superego, which should have told him that it was useless to desire his mother, was not needed because he hated his mother. Thus Fei’s superego decayed as the Id grew.

Fei was partially cured by his father, Kahn, who sealed the Id away from the conscious. Thus Fei’s only personality in Lahan was his overworked Ego, with a barrier placed between himself and the Id. But the Id is a necessary - if evil - part of the mind, so Fei was forced to create a weakened id to reside in his pre-conscious as the unnamed one. His underdeveloped superego was thus the dominating force, which was able to turn Fei’s ego to good behaviour, but after the reawakening of Fei’s original Id, his Superego was no longer able to cope, and thus the Ego was laid bare to give in to the Id’s demands.

The fundamental cause of Fei’s disturbed psychosis is due to the Contact Abel made with the Wave Existence 10,000 years ago. The transference of information and the connection of two vastly different minds was a prime cause of the Fei/Id and also the Lacan/Grahf phenomena. Whilst the first instance of ‘Contact’ was not the direct cause of Fei - or Lacan’s - altered psychosis, the 2nd Contact - made by Lacan after the death of Sophia - probably played some role in the manifestation of Id within Fei, and there is also evidence to suggest that Grahf is in fact, a manifestation of Lacan’s Id.




Interesting.

Not sure if it was mentioned but Superego, ego, and id was pretty much founded under Sigmund Freud's research. :thumb:

[Drall]

am i right in thinking that you're a chrono trigger fan?

Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross fan4lyf.

[Lionheart1827]

Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross fan4lyf.

if your a fan4lyfe, have you played.....................................


the true sequel to chrono trigger, Radical Dreamers? :thumb:

[CleverRecords]

Romper Stomper Bomper.... Bumper?

[CleverRecords]

For those who want more information on the game, including a novelization and the script, check out this site:

www.xgam.org

I like this site a lot, personally. I get bored now and then and read a chunk of the novel.

[Drall]

if your a fan4lyfe, have you played.....................................


the true sequel to chrono trigger, Radical Dreamers? :thumb:

Well, no, but wasn't it a SNES book or something?

[Lionheart1827]

Well, no, but wasn't it a SNES book or something?

It was actually a japanese only game for the super famicom(snes) but in recent years, it has been translated to 100% english so it can be used in emulators. It's like a text-based type game with pictures, so yeah it was kinda like a book. It's quite boring, but it filled a lot of plotholes from CC. :thumb: I think I have the translated rom on my computer somewhere.

[CleverRecords]

I never could figure out what the big deal about Chrono Cross was. I've never found it that fun. As far as the SNES goes, FFIII is way more fun.

[Lionheart1827]

I never could figure out what the big deal about Chrono Cross was. I've never found it that fun. As far as the SNES goes, FFIII is way more fun.

:thumb: definately.

[hardcorehoot]

I thought the Xenosaga games were supposed to be good

[Mr. Ron]

I thought the Xenosaga games were supposed to be good
Xenosaga was made by a totally different development team that made Xenogears, so thats why Xenosaga kinda sucks.

[Otherside]

You are all haters. Xenosaga I is a great game.

[Mr. Ron]

You are all haters. Xenosaga I is a great game.
Not as agood as Xenogears, thats for sure. Namco just didn't do that great of a job.

[Chanandler Bong]

I thought Xenosaga blew nards.

[Mr. Ron]

I thought Xenosaga blew nards.
Yup. The characters blew soooo bad. The voices where garbage also.

[Chanandler Bong]

I was really looking forward to the game and I even pre-ordered a copy. When I got it home and played...well, I found the game to be disatisfying. For one thing, the AGWS were fugly and werent cool like the gears.

[Mr. Ron]

I was really looking forward to the game and I even pre-ordered a copy. When I got it home and played...well, I found the game to be disatisfying. For one thing, the AGWS were fugly and werent cool like the gears.


Amen brother.

The AGWS just plain sucked. Sure it was cool to buy weapons for them, but other than that, I would rather have Weltall over any AGWS.

[Lionheart1827]

Not as agood as Xenogears, thats for sure. Namco just didn't do that great of a job.

I think Namco published it and Monolith Soft made it. :thumb:

I need to check up on that.

[Chanandler Bong]

meh, a few days after I got Xenosage, I sold it.