NFL draft

[Timmsy]

Will vikings get a WR with there no.7 to replace moss or get a defensive player :thumb:

[3074326]

They'll get a receiver. Probably Mark Clayton from Oklahoma.

[ThePatient]

I can't see Clayton going at 7. If they don't trade up for Edwards, I think they'll take Williams. They could also take Carlos Rogers, they do still need defense, and they could take Roddy White or Matt Jones later on.

[3074326]

If Williams is still there I think they'll take him, but I don't know if he'll be there. Other than Williams I think Clayton will be their choice.

Edwards, Williams, Clayton is how I think the WR's will go.

[ThePatient]

I really really like Williamson, I think he'll go before Clayton. Maybe to the Vikings because he's a but faster than Moss, and they're looking for that deep threat. I don't think anyone above Minnesota needs a WR, except for maybe Chicago, but I think they need a RB more.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think pretty much every team above Minnesota needs a receiver, they just need something else more.

[pikester]

Which is why they're picking before #7.

[Illmatic]

Anyone else think the Niners will be making a huge mistake if they take Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers? They should go for Mike Williams--kind of a local kid (he's from Cali, at least) and he's infinitely better than Rodgers and Smith.

[podbassist]

WTF why did you copy my thread. :angry:

[ThePatient]

Because he didn't search for one. Keep your pants on.

[Against Miik!]

If the Browns take Braylon Edwards I will be pissed. Mike Williams is the best reciever in this draft, and having a year off has probably helped him more than hurt him. He's been training and staying in shape, but he has also had a year to rest, so he is fresh.

[The Stapler]

Anyone else think the Niners will be making a huge mistake if they take Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers? They should go for Mike Williams--kind of a local kid (he's from Cali, at least) and he's infinitely better than Rodgers and Smith.

I think the Niners picked one of the worst years to get a #1 pick. I really don't think Rodgers or Smith will be great QB's, but they desperately need one. Dorsey and Rattay aren't the answer and they'd need someone to get the ball to Williams if they picked him.

[ThePatient]

Browns fan? -- To Miik

I think I like Edwards and Troy Williamson more than Mike Williams. Mike Williams is more of a Keyshawn-type possession reciever, though he is a physical monster.

[Illmatic]

I think the Niners picked one of the worst years to get a #1 pick. I really don't think Rodgers or Smith will be great QB's, but they desperately need one. Dorsey and Rattay aren't the answer and they'd need someone to get the ball to Williams if they picked him.

I think they need to bide their time with Dorsey and Rattay and tank next year for the guy they really want: USC's Matt Leinart. I can't see Rodgers or Smith being good NFL quarterbacks.

I think I like Edwards and Troy Williamson more than Mike Williams. Mike Williams is more of a Keyshawn-type possession reciever, though he is a physical monster.

(sigh)

Another person who only pays attention to workouts.

I don't need 40 times or shuttle times or anything to tell me that Williams is better than Williamson. I've actually watched the two play.

[ThePatient]

(sigh)

Another person who only pays attention to workouts.

I don't need 40 times or shuttle times or anything to tell me that Williams is better than Williamson. I've actually watched the two play.
Not really, but whatever.

I guarantee that if you put Williamson and Williams on the line and have them run post routes down the field, Williamson will be catching the ball farther down the field, farther out of the reach of the defenders. I like recievers with great down the field speed, which Williamson has more of. That being said, I'd be ecstatic to see either one of them somehow fall to the Ravens.

[3074326]

Anyone else think the Niners will be making a huge mistake if they take Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers? They should go for Mike Williams--kind of a local kid (he's from Cali, at least) and he's infinitely better than Rodgers and Smith.

Yes, Rattay is better than average, and he needs talent around him. The Niners are going to create another Tim Couch (only in SF of course) because they have no receivers. They need receivers! They need an offensive line! They need a defensive line! They need some cornerbacks! Everything but a QB, really.

[ThePatient]

I really would hate to be a top pick like that, because you know that the odds are not in your favor to have a shot at winning.

[JPage54]

Will vikings get a WR with there no.7 to replace moss or get a defensive player :thumb:
Wide Receiver, I hope. We signed 5 defensive players already this offseason.

[JPage54]

NO! Not Troy Williamson,Mike Williams!

[pikester]

zwned.

[ThePatient]

Who had Williamson going to the Vikings? That was me.

I can't believe Detroit took Williams, Harrington is not Peyton Manning. They should've taken Merriman.

[ZEROthirtythree]

Dorsey and Rattay aren't the answer and they'd need someone to get the ball to Williams if they picked him.

I think Rattay has excellent potential. He threw for over 500 yeards in a game last year. 49ers did a stupid thing, IMO, by picking a QB first round.

[3074326]

NO! Not Troy Williamson,Mike Williams!

Williamson is better for the Vikings. Sure Williams might be a better player, but Williamson's speed and ability to jump will help the Vikings and their vertical passing game.

[Brewer14]

ahhhhh

Why did the Texans trade their pick?

[Illmatic]

Williamson is better for the Vikings. Sure Williams might be a better player, but Williamson's speed and ability to jump will help the Vikings and their vertical passing game.

Ever seen a USC game?

Williams can jump. I think I could be a good QB if I had Mike Williams. Just chuck it up there and he WILL come down with it. He is just incredible. The best wideout I've ever seen since Randy Moss.

[ThePatient]

Williamson is a better fit with Minnesota. He stretches the field just like Moss could. If they need someone to get up in the air and get a ball, that's what Marcus Robinson is for. He's not Moss, but he can get up in the air just fine.

[-FiT-]

God I envy you Americans and The NFL. The CFL (CANADA) football is ****ing TERRIBLE

[Liberi Fatali]

Alex Barron. :-/

[3074326]

Ever seen a USC game?

Williams can jump. I think I could be a good QB if I had Mike Williams. Just chuck it up there and he WILL come down with it. He is just incredible. The best wideout I've ever seen since Randy Moss.

Yes, I've seen plenty of USC games.

This was a good pick for Minnesota for a few reasons:

Williamson is one of the fastest players in the draft.
Williamson can jump very well.
Williamson is better at evading defenders.
Williamson is more agile.
Williamson played last year, notably in the SEC.

Sure, Mike Williams is a great receiver, but I think the Vikings will benefit more from a speedy, agile player such as Williamson.

[Simple Man]

Agree'd.

[Hababi]

Steelers picked well; Heath Miller was by far the best TE in the draft and the best player left at that point. Now we need a tall, fast reciever for a deep threat.

[Red Stripe]

The Jets didn't have a first round, that sucks

[Red Stripe]

THEY GOT THE KICKER AS THEIR FIRST PICK

i know they needed one, but 47th overall pick

WE SUCK AT DRAFTING

[3074326]

Nugent. :cool:

Nugent will give them more points than anyone else they could've drafted. Look at it on the bright side. ;)

[Illmatic]

Nugent was 95% of Ohio State's offense last year.

Williamson played last year, notably in the SEC.

And?

Williams is still better.

[3074326]

The SEC is a tough conference. I think it's tougher than the PAC-10 by far.

Experience is a good thing. Williams missed a whole year of it.

[Illmatic]

Williams doesn't need it. He was the best wide reciever in the country when he was only a freshman. He didn't seem all that rusty at the workouts. He's 6'5, 230, runs a 4.5 40, is a better route-runner than Williamson, and has amazing hands and instincts. Nothing about Williamson makes me believe he's any better than the guys the Vikes have (Burleson, Kelly Campbell, Williamson...all just one-dimensional burners).

[ThePatient]

I'll give you $1 if Mike Williams has a better year than Troy Williamson.

I hate you Jacksonville, the Ravens really could've used Khalif Barnes. That kid is going to be a steal at the 52nd pick. But we got another pass rusher with Dan Cody so that's good.

I like the Jets picking Nugent, that was their big hole, and they filled.

[Illmatic]

Oh, let's not go there.

Williamson has Culpepper throwing to him.
Williams has Joey freaking Harrington.

[ThePatient]

Then what is the problem? Williamson will be more productive, and score more points. That is all that matters.

[Illmatic]

Williams is a better reciever trapped with one of the five worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

[ThePatient]

Harrington will get his act together. But if you had been the Vikings, you would've taken Williams, knowing full well that there was someone else who fit the system you run sitting there?

[Illmatic]

I would have taken Williams because he was the best wide reciever in the draft, period. Why would I want Williamson? I have Nate Burleson and Kelly Campbell. I don't want another guy like that.

[ThePatient]

Because you know Burleson and Campbell aren't panning out.

[Illmatic]

It's not like Williams is a lumbering oaf, either. The man is fast. Maybe not Moss-fast, but he can get downfield. Oh yeah, and he's taller, smarter, and a better jumper than Williamson, with much better hands. And he's tougher, too.

Also, I hope Channing Crowder falls to the Pats this round...

[ThePatient]

I don't think anyone is going to give in on this debate. So...

--How about Aaron Rodgers getting the shaft all the way down to Green Bay?

--Super late edit.

[Illmatic]

Neither Aaron Rodgers nor Alex Smith will be very good.

[ThePatient]

I like Alex Smith once he gets the tools around him. And I think Aaron Rodgers will be really good if Favre works with him, and then steps in after Favre retires. I don't buy into the Tedford curse.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Give Joey Harrington a freaking break. Peyton Manning wouldnt have done very well either if his #1 receiver was Az Hakim for most of the season. Detroit had no ground game to speak of. Notice when Kevin Jones started playing better in the last 6 games of the season, Joey posted two 340+ yard games.

Now Joey has Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Charles Rodgers to throw to, plus Kevin Jones to hand off to. If he has a bad year this year, ok, maybe hes not a good quarterback. But I find it hard to judge a player's skills off two years when he had no one around to help him.

[Jom]

Are you serious? Kevin Jones had reached games in excess of 100 yards multiple times. Joey is not the only person at fault... Charles Rogers broke his collarbone AGAIN being the China doll that he is, his receivers dropped a lot of balls, but Joey isn't very mobile and he isn't a very good arm to begin with. If Joey falters early, expect Garcia to step in.

[ThePatient]

Finally, someone else with some patience for QBs.

[Illmatic]

I can't help but think Alex Smith was a product of Urban Meyer's system.

And I don't buy into the Tedford curse, it's just that Rodgers doesn't strike me as being all that spectacular.

Harrington is 26 years old and he's still making rookie mistakes. At best he's going to turn into one of those Jeff George types who will throw for 4,000 yards and 25 touchdowns and making enough stupid mistakes to cost his team the playoffs.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Are you serious? Kevin Jones had reached games in excess of 100 yards multiple times. Joey is not the only person at fault... Charles Rogers broke his collarbone AGAIN being the China doll that he is, his receivers dropped a lot of balls, but Joey isn't very mobile and he isn't a very good arm to begin with. If Joey falters early, expect Garcia to step in.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492975/gamelogs/2004

Kevin Jones first 8 games: 308 yards, 1 touchdown, high game - 81 yards
Kevin Jones last 7 games: 825 yards, 4 touchdowns, high game - 196 yards

I'm not saying Joey will be the best QB in the league. But he can at least be a good player, just give him some time with an actual offense.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I think Harrington will have to get everything straightened out this year. Even if Rodgers gets hurt they're too deep at receiver. I was totally suprised by them taking Williams though. I thought the Vik's would of got him. When they didn't, I thought the Boy's would get him but Detroit shocked me by taking Mikey.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Kevin Jones first 8 games: 308 yards, 1 touchdown, high game - 81 yards
Kevin Jones last 7 games: 825 yards, 4 touchdowns, high game - 196 yards

This helped my fantasy team so much last year.

[Illmatic]

At best he's going to turn into one of those Jeff George types who will throw for 4,000 yards and 25 touchdowns and making enough stupid mistakes to cost his team the playoffs.

The first round is as far as he's ever gonna take the Lions.

[Dark_Horse_335]

^Was that referring to Harrington:confused:

[Illmatic]

Yes.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think a lot of the stupid mistakes hes made so far in his career is because hes tried to force a lot of things. When you have no running game, no receivers, a city that has no patience, and a coach who has openly said he think you're a bad quarterback, you want to try and prove them wrong. When you force things, you're gonna make some mistakes.

I really believe this will be the year people see how good he can be.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I don't know why they even took Harrington. They had the that other guy (who's name escapes me) who played well for them as a rokie. He was much more mobile than Harringon as well.

[Illmatic]

WTF, Baltimore has our pick now.

I really hope Pioli and Belichick know what they're doing.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Maybe because Mike McMahon cant throw the ball very well.

[Dark_Horse_335]

McMahon! That's it!

I just had an idea. An MX Fantasy Football League. Who here would do that?

[MattSharpIsCool]

We already had one last season, it was fun.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Who emerged victorious?(sp?)

Also, where did you play. I play on nfl.com.

[MattSharpIsCool]

It was on Yahoo. I dont remember who won.

[ThePatient]

WTF, Baltimore has our pick now.

I really hope Pioli and Belichick know what they're doing.
We needed to trade up to get someone to compete with Orlando Brown, which I hope we did.

I like the Niners picking Frank Gore. He's a sleeper, if you can count someone out of Miami as a sleeper.

--The guy the Ravens drafted looks hilarious. :lol: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/ot/adamterry.html

[Dark_Horse_335]

I really wouldn't consider Gore a Sleeper.

[Illmatic]

We needed a MLB (Channing Crowder)

This is by far the worst draft of the Belichick era. What a waste.

I don't like Gore, either. Something about a little back with two knee injuries frightens me.

[ThePatient]

Well, McGahee came back just fine, so who knows.

The Pats draft does looks pretty iffy, but he's supposed to be a "genious", so maybe it'll work out.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I don't like Gore, either. Something about a little back with two knee injuries frightens me.

What about McGahee?

[Illmatic]

McGahee only hurt one knee.

Hell, he got his break when Gore blew out his knee.

[Dark_Horse_335]

McGahee's Injury was much, much worse.

[Liberi Fatali]

So far I'm pretty happy with what the Rams have done. :)

Alex Barron isn't a great tackle, but he'll be fine at RT in place of Kyle Turley. Ronald Bartell in the second round was quite a bit of a reach, but the fact that we got Oshiomogho Atogwe (that is going to be a bitch to say) in the third round at safety makes this first day a good one so far. :)

[ThePatient]

McGahee's Injury was much, much worse.
You beat me to it.

The video of that was one of the worst things I've seen, and I've seen some crazy stuff.

[Illmatic]

McGahee's Injury was much, much worse.

Yeah, but he took a year off to recuperate.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I am pleased with what the Iggles have done so far. I think they're second round selection os much better than Mike Patterson though. Our DT's were pretty good IMO.

[ThePatient]

Gore has already played since his injury, he's shown that he can still play.

[Illmatic]

That was a result of playing on an elite college team. He really looked awful. His acceleration, agility, and confidence all looked off.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I didn't watch much Miami. I strongly dislike Hurricanes football.

[MattSharpIsCool]

The Raiders drafted corners in both of the first 2 rounds, which seemed like a little much. I realize their pass defense is bad, but oh well. They did draft Andrew Walter out of Arizona State. He had a pretty bad shoulder injury, but before that he was considered a 1st rounder, I like the pick. They also got an ILB to replace Napoleon Harris.

Overall, a good first day.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Who would you guys say did the best overall?

[MattSharpIsCool]

Arizona is having a pretty good draft. Antrel Rolle, Eric Green, and JJ Arrington. Rolle can be a shutdown corner, Arrington ran for over 2,000 yards at Cal last year, and I dont know much about Green. But even the first two picks are good enough.

Cleveland did pretty well with Charlie Frye, Brondey Pool, and Braylon Edwards.

Green Bay did alright for themselves in getting Aaron Rodgers at 24.

[Illmatic]

Baltimore, Arizona, Miami, and Cleveland = best drafts

[Dark_Horse_335]

Baltimore always does great. Ozzie might be the best current GM.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I just looked at Baltimore's draft and you're right, those are some good picks.

Miami though, I dont know. Obviously, Ronnie Brown is a nice pick, and from what I hear, so is Channing Crowder....I dont know anything about Matt Roth.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I didn't watch enough Auburn to decide this but I thought Cadillac was better.

[MattSharpIsCool]

He was the starter at Auburn, so you'd think he was better. But I didnt see a single Auburn game all year, so I dont really know either.

I guess Ronnie Brown is a good receiver, which is a big reason he went higher.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Hmm. I think Benson's probaly better than both of them. But Honestly I watch very little college football so take my opinions with a grain of salt. I see a lot of highlights and a couple mock drafts though.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I really dont follow college football that extensively either. I know who the top 10 picks or so will consist of, and after that, I know a few "sleeper" guys that I hear on ESPN. I'm not a draft expert by any means. I like watching it though.

[ThePatient]

Baltimore, Arizona, Dallas, and Minnesota all did really well.

I really liked Chicago taking Benson, I think he'll be the best RB to come out of this draft.

Seattle and New England stand out as teams that didn't look to me like they got the best out of what they could've gotten.

[Dark_Horse_335]

I didn't see to much of the draft because I had a bball game so what was your opinion on th Eagles? I loved them getting a WR in the second.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Wow! We got Ryan Moats as well. I love that guy. Ever since I first saw him play I wanted the Iggles to get him. Wish, Granted

[ThePatient]

They look like they did well, they filled up some weaknesses they had. I liked Reggie Brown, 6'2" with decent speed, and they got him for AJ Feely.

[Liberi Fatali]

Why the hell has Denver drafted three corners? They've already got Champ Bailey, and I can see why they might draft 1 or 2 corners. But 3? :|

[Dark_Horse_335]

That is pretty stupid...
I like Denver though. Perhaps one of them returns kick/punts or does some other Special TEams things.

[ThePatient]

Go Mike Shannahan go!

[Dark_Horse_335]

^What??:lol::lol:

[ThePatient]

WHOOOOOOA!

Congratulations Mr. Clarrett.

[ThePatient]

^What??:lol::lol:
I think he's losing it. Bringing over Cleveland's line was ridiculous.

[Liberi Fatali]

Wow, I really didn't expect him to go that high.

[ThePatient]

I wonder if he was even awake to get the call that he got drafted... :lol:

[Dark_Horse_335]

Who Clarett?
If so I don't think he should be drafted at all. He didn't even try last offseason. I don't know what kind of shape he is in now.

[ThePatient]

I can't remember, did he even have an argument to try to enter the NFL under the age limit, or did he just wake up one day and decide he wanted to go pro? I didn't realize all that went down so long ago. :-/

[Hababi]

Ok, thoughts on the draft:

Baltimore, as usual, drafted really well. Dan Cody was a steal in the second round, he'll be quite good.

Green Bay got a huge steal with Aaron Rogers at 24. The guy could've gone #1. Now they have an heir to Brett Favre's thrown.

The Steelers had a good 3 rounds--TE, CB and OL. Now all they need to do is a get a reciever.

The Jets drafted a kicker in round 2. Stupid. Could've waited till round 3 in all likelyhood and still gotten him.

The Lions should've taken Rogers and dangled Harrington as trade bait to get another draft pick, with which they could've drafted another WR.

The Redskins didn't draft well. Campbell was a reach and a dumb pick beyond that-what about Brunell and Ramsey? Stupid.

Cleveland got a heck of a steal in the third round with Charlie Frye, he'll be starting after a season and maybe even sooner. By drafting Braylon Edwards, they have a target for the quarterback.

The Cardinals drafted very wisely, securing a solid RB in round 2 while addressing some glaring secondary needs. Look for them to make the playoffs next year. Kurt Warner has three legit targets and a good RB. As long as the line holds up he'll throw for 4,000 yards.

Oakland got a good QB in round three; after a year or two he'll be a good starter.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Wow, nobodies mentioning the Eagles. I understand that they only did mediocre, I guess, but I love ot see my favorite team mentioned. I thought they did well enough. I agree about the Cardinals Drafting well, and by next year do mean the upcoming season, or after that. This upcoming season they will not make the playoffs. But if my man Boldin's heathy (he should be) I could see them making it two years from now.

[Liberi Fatali]

Wow, nobodies mentioning the Eagles. I understand that they only did mediocre, I guess, but I love ot see my favorite team mentioned. I thought they did well enough. I agree about the Cardinals Drafting well, and by next year do mean the upcoming season, or after that. This upcoming season they will not make the playoffs. But if my man Boldin's heathy (he should be) I could see them making it two years from now.
In the wild NFC West anybody could make it, besides the 49ers.

[ThePatient]

The Redskins didn't draft well. Campbell was a reach and a dumb pick beyond that-what about Brunell and Ramsey? Stupid.

Cleveland got a heck of a steal in the third round with Charlie Frye, he'll be starting after a season and maybe even sooner. By drafting Braylon Edwards, they have a target for the quarterback.

The Cardinals drafted very wisely, securing a solid RB in round 2 while addressing some glaring secondary needs. Look for them to make the playoffs next year. Kurt Warner has three legit targets and a good RB. As long as the line holds up he'll throw for 4,000 yards.
Joe Gibbs has proven he doesn't believe in Brunell or Ramsey. Jason Campbell is his guy now.

I'm betting on Frye coming in to start by the mid-way point. At least I hope, it'll hurt to see Dilfer playing for the Browns. :(

I think the Cardinals had the best draft next to Minnesota. They might actually have the whole "running a football team" thing down now.

[Dark_Horse_335]

Yeah, I guess you're right on that one. remind me again who made the playoffs from there this year? I always forget this stuff:upset:

EDIT : To A Love Supreme

[ThePatient]

Seattle and St. Louis

[Dark_Horse_335]

Ahh, of course. I expect Seattle to make it this year from there and i do not think that they have got much of a chance of producing a Wild Card Team. (the NFC West, that is)

[Illmatic]

Why the hell has Denver drafted three corners? They've already got Champ Bailey, and I can see why they might draft 1 or 2 corners. But 3? :|

After getting bitchslapped by the Colts again, they've been scared into taking corners.

[MadSeasonAbove]

This years draft wasnt as exciting as last years. But it was still a good one.

Watch out for the Steelers, Big Ben just got a new buddy. And the Corners are getting stirred up. Should be interesting to see what the passing situation is like, now that we have a recieving(AND Blocking!!!) tight end. Heath is going to open the whole game up for the offense.

*runs away like a thief in the night*

[3074326]

Baltimore and Minnesota had great drafts. They both drafted who they needed to draft, and drafted some players with great talent at the positions.

The Niners got some nice talent, but I still don't see them even close to contending for a few years. I really don't think a QB was the right choice for San Francisco. I still would've went with Edwards. Frank Gore was a nice pickup, although their running game isn't the problem. The Niners have no receivers, no offensive line, and no defensive line. They have some solid defensive backs (notably Julian Peterson).

[lunch998]

They drafted to O-linemen, I think.

[3074326]

Baas will help, but other than him, I think the line will be the same.

[Illmatic]

Frank Gore was a nice pickup, although their running game isn't the problem

That was one of the worst picks in the draft IMO. A bunch of much better running backs (Marion Barber, Ciatrick Fason, Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Cedric Houston) have gone in Day 2.

They have some solid defensive backs (notably Julian Peterson).

Julian Peterson is a linebacker...

The Jets drafted a kicker in round 2. Stupid. Could've waited till round 3 in all likelyhood and still gotten him.

Kicker is their #1 need and Nugent is the best kicker to enter the draft in a very long time.

The Lions should've taken Rogers and dangled Harrington as trade bait to get another draft pick, with which they could've drafted another WR.

I like what they did. Hope Charles Rogers works out and then go all-offense. They'll be the NFL's Phoenix Suns (only without the success, I'd imagine). They'll probably score 500 points and win 8 or 9 games, and be a blast to watch. The Lions' defense is too weak to be patched up by just one guy, so tank it and simply try outscore the other team. I love it. I geniunely hope it works out.

The Redskins didn't draft well. Campbell was a reach and a dumb pick beyond that-what about Brunell and Ramsey? Stupid.

I don't know if you watched a single Redskins game last year, but Brunell and Ramsey are clearly not the answer. Campbell was a good pick and may well turn out to be the best quarterback from the draft.

The Cardinals drafted very wisely, securing a solid RB in round 2 while addressing some glaring secondary needs. Look for them to make the playoffs next year. Kurt Warner has three legit targets and a good RB. As long as the line holds up he'll throw for 4,000 yards.

And they got the best guard in the draft (UVA's Elton Brown) in Round 4.

Oakland got a good QB in round three; after a year or two he'll be a good starter.

To hell with that, they just stole Anttaj Hawthorne in Round 6.

I think the Pats have had the worst draft so far. So far we have grabbed six very average players (Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, James Sanders, Dan Orlovsky, Ryan Clarlidge).

[3074326]

That was one of the worst picks in the draft IMO. A bunch of much better running backs (Marion Barber, Ciatrick Fason, Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Cedric Houston) have gone in Day 2.

Julian Peterson is a linebacker...



Frank Gore has potential. They don't need a running back, but it's not a bad idea to have a backup back with potential. Kevan Barlow could have some very nice games with the right line. Maurice Hicks showed some decent talent as well.

When I said "defensive backs" I should've said "anyone not on the d-line." I was referring to the rest of the defense, but for some reason I didn't type it that way.

I'm looking forward to Peterson coming back this year though. He's very talented.

[Illmatic]

Gore's ceiling is very low thanks to his knees. He's not all that fast or quick anymore.

Marion Barber, Ciatrick Fason, Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, or Cedric Houston would have been much better picks.

[3074326]

I agree that he probably wasn't the best choice. I would've taken Sproles. He's one of the more explosive backs in the entire draft, but he lacks size.

I don't think Gore was that bad of a choice though.

[Illmatic]

I do.

Speaking just from experience, once you blow out your knees you're never the same. The second you begin to play basketball/football/baseball, you worry more about not re-injuring your knee than playing your best. Combine that with the knowledge that you're not as fast or explosive, and you just aren't as good a player as you used to be.

[pikester]

I like what they did. Hope Charles Rogers works out and then go all-offense. They'll be the NFL's Phoenix Suns (only without the success, I'd imagine). They'll probably score 500 points and win 8 or 9 games, and be a blast to watch. The Lions' defense is too weak to be patched up by just one guy, so tank it and simply try outscore the other team. I love it. I geniunely hope it works out.


3 words: Kansas. City. Chiefs.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

KC really got their defense good over the off-season

They got, Patrick Surtain, Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and their first draft was a linebacker

They should do real good if they can get some receivers

[ThePatient]

Congratulations Andy Stokes, you are Mr. Irrelevant.

[Illmatic]

3 words: Kansas. City. Chiefs.

They won their division in 2003.

[pikester]

wow... they beat out Denver, Oakland AND the Chargers.

[JPage54]

Williamson is better for the Vikings. Sure Williams might be a better player, but Williamson's speed and ability to jump will help the Vikings and their vertical passing game.
I realize that now, I was foolish in my hastened anger.

[Illmatic]

JPage: His post was directed at me, as I am this forum's designated Mike Williams super-fanboy

[ThePatient]

You could get his name tatooed on your arm. :p

[Illmatic]

I have it tatooed on my chest already.

[ThePatient]

That's hot. You should send him some pictures of it.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Did Derek Anderson from Oregon State get drafted? He was supposedly the 5th rated quarterback in the draft, but he wasnt drafted through the middle of the 6th round.

I think it was a pretty exciting draft. Oakland did very well for themselves, so I'm happy about that.

[Illmatic]

I have a Mike Williams shrine in my dorm room that no one else knows about.

[ThePatient]

The Ravens drafted him.

Edit - The Oregon St. guy.

[Illmatic]

Did Derek Anderson from Oregon State get drafted? He was supposedly the 5th rated quarterback in the draft, but he wasnt drafted through the middle of the 6th round.

I think it was a pretty exciting draft. Oakland did very well for themselves, so I'm happy about that.

Teams avoided Anderson like the ebola virus, and rightfully so--he is bad news.

EDIT: I stand corrected

[ThePatient]

He probably is, but he'd be 3rd string if he even makes the roster, which I doubt he will.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I think Anderson could turn into a good player if he gets some good coaching in the pros. Brian Billick might be a guy who could make him a solid player.

[Illmatic]

I'm not sure.

Derek Anderson makes Drew Bledsoe look like a mobile, cool-headed quarterback.

[ThePatient]

Wow, he's huge. 6'6", 242, 5.09 40-time. Meh, as long as we don't have to rely on him for anything...

[MattSharpIsCool]

He may not be Mike Vick, but hes got some athleticism. He played both football and basketball in college, so hes got some mobility.

[Illmatic]

He's got horrible pocket presence though. He took way too many dumb sacks in college.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ya, thats why I think he'll take some work, but hes got the physical tools to be a good player in the league. Or....

Maybe he'll end up in NFL Europe.

[ThePatient]

The last thing Baltimore needs is another scared QB...

[Illmatic]

"Physical tools" are beyond overrated, especially when you're as dumb as a rock.

[ThePatient]

Was that a crack at Boller? :p

[Illmatic]

No, it was a crack at Anderson, and Ryan Leaf, and all the other dime-a-dozen big QBs with big arms who will never succeed on the pro level.

[ThePatient]

Ah, that's ok then. I noticed this a while back, next time you see a picture or video of Boller, look at how his helmet always looks too big for him. He looks like a little kid when he's playing. :lol:

[Hababi]

Kicker is their #1 need and Nugent is the best kicker to enter the draft in a very long time.


I wouldn't say that. Sebastion Janikowski was a better kicker coming out of college. Nugent was the best kicker in the draft, but do you think someone else was itching to take him that round or even the next one?



I like what they did. Hope Charles Rogers works out and then go all-offense. They'll be the NFL's Phoenix Suns (only without the success, I'd imagine). They'll probably score 500 points and win 8 or 9 games, and be a blast to watch. The Lions' defense is too weak to be patched up by just one guy, so tank it and simply try outscore the other team. I love it. I geniunely hope it works out.


That's all dependent on Joey Harrington producing. If he doesn't, they could run a west coast offense with Garcia but his arm isn't what it used to be and it wasn't good then either.

Maybe Harrington will turn out. If he does, the Lions will put up a whole bunch of points this year. If he doesn't, you can have 5 good recievers on the field and it still won't matter.


I don't know if you watched a single Redskins game last year, but Brunell and Ramsey are clearly not the answer. Campbell was a good pick and may well turn out to be the best quarterback from the draft.


Brunell is over the hill but Ramsey never had a chance-by the time they turned to him, the OL had been depleted and he was getting pressured constantly. Brett Favre in his prime couldn't do anything with that offensive line and a set of mediocre recievers. They would've been far better to draft a reciever or OL.


I think the Pats have had the worst draft so far. So far we have grabbed six very average players (Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, James Sanders, Dan Orlovsky, Ryan Clarlidge).

Never doubt the wisdom and foresight of Bill Belichek ;)

I still say the Redskins for the worst draft.

The Saints grabbed their future starter-Adrian McPherson-in round 5, nice pick. They rolled the dice but as long as he doesn't, they'll have a franchise quarterback.

wtf were the steelers doing taking a RB in round 7? They already have four good RB's on their roster, making this one a worthless pick. They could've taken Reggie Harrell, who could at least develope into a solid posession reciever.

[ThePatient]

I wouldn't say that. Sebastion Janikowski was a better kicker coming out of college. Nugent was the best kicker in the draft, but do you think someone else was itching to take him that round or even the next one?

The Saints grabbed their future starter-Adrian McPherson-in round 5, nice pick. They rolled the dice but as long as he doesn't, they'll have a franchise quarterback.
The Vikings were a sure fire pick to take him, just two picks after the Jets.

I love that pick. I wonder if Aaron Brooks is on his way out after this year.

[3074326]

wtf were the steelers doing taking a RB in round 7? They already have four good RB's on their roster, making this one a worthless pick. They could've taken Reggie Harrell, who could at least develope into a solid posession reciever.

He'll probably be a special teams player.

[Against Miik!]

Anybody else think Alex Smith and Arron Rodgers were the 3rd and 4th best QBs in the draft?

[pikester]

Did anyone bother to draft Jason White?

[ThePatient]

Nope, he went undrafted.

[IsItLuck?]

The Chargers had a spectacular draft, even though I think Vincent Jackson was a bit too high. They filled their needs for their 3-4 defense and got 2 possible return men and 1 WR that will hopefully help out sooner or later.
1 Shawne Merriman OLB MARYLAND
1 Luis Castillo DT NORTHWESTERN
2 Vincent Jackson WR NORTHERN COLORADO
4 Darren Sproles RB KANSAS STATE
5 Wesley Britt OT ALABAMA
6 Wes Sims OG OKLAHOMA
7 Scott Mruczkowski C BOWLING GREEN

[3074326]

Nope, he went undrafted.

I figured someone would've picked him up, but I wouldn't trust anything about him. With the injuries, and his consistant choking in the spotlight, no.

[Illmatic]

Why would you figure that, 307? White is 100% a product of the system. White played in an incredible Oklahoma offense.

i am milk: I think that Campbell, Frye, and Walter may well turn out to be at least as good as Smith and Rodgers, if not better.

[IsItLuck?]

I think Kyle Orton will turn out to be great, he just did ****ty this year because he was came in from an injury too early and then was playing injured the rest of the year.

[Steve DeBerg]

The Bills got just what they needed, an undersized Wide reciever and an undersized tight end. Oh goody. :(

[3074326]

Why would you figure that, 307? White is 100% a product of the system. White played in an incredible Oklahoma offense.


I still find it hard to believe that USC's backup QB was drafted over a Heisman winner, product of a system or not. USC's backup got a lot of playing time, since Leinart has been the starter for three years and Palmer was the starter before Leinart. But he was still taken over a Heisman winner. I don't care, I just find it odd.

I think Kyle Orton will turn out to be great, he just did ****ty this year because he was came in from an injury too early and then was playing injured the rest of the year.

Orton had an incredible year, despite his injuries. He had some outrageous games.

I also find it hard to believe that Stubblefield from Purdue didn't get drafted. Apparantly he's singing with Carolina, but he set some crazy records in the Big 10.

[Against Miik!]

The way offenses are run in college make it much easier for a decent quarterback to suceed. It is not that uncommon for a quarterback such as Ken Dorsey, John Navarre, and now Jason White to have successful college careers and not carry it over to the pros.

[3074326]

I realize he's not the greatest QB in NCAA history, I just expected him to be drafted late in the draft. He won the Heisman.

I'd much rather have Jason White than USC's backup. White at least has experience.

[Against Miik!]

Yeah, I do find it a bit odd that he didn't even get drafted though. On a slighty different topic, Sin City is quite possibly the best movie i've seen this year.

[Hababi]

Why would you figure that, 307? White is 100% a product of the system. White played in an incredible Oklahoma offense.


White reminds me of Danny Weurfel. Hey, Weurfel was good enough to stay in the league as long as he wanted, but there was no way he was ever going to be a starting calibur QB.

I bet Chris Rix will get into the Arena League and put up some big numbers...and alienate all his team mates, too.

[Illmatic]

Past Heisman Winners include Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Andre Ware, Ty Detmer, Gino Toretta, and Danny Wuerffel

In other words, just about every Heisman winning quarterback was a product of the system they played in.

[3074326]

But they rarely go undrafted.

[Illmatic]

Maybe scouts have just gotten smarter.

[pikester]

Why are NFL Scouts like a billion times smarter than heisman voters?

[3074326]

Haha, this is something that I have wondered in the past.

White definitely should've have won that Heisman. I honestly think Darren Sproles deserved it that year.

[Illmatic]

Well, the Heisman is made for the best college player, not necessarily the best pro prospect. And I think Jason Campbell or Alex Smith should have won the Heisman last year.

[3074326]

I agree there, but Leinart also had a great season. It's hard to argue against him winning. I thought Smith had the best though. ;)

Darren Sproles had one of the better seaons for a running back when White won his heisman. Over 2000 yards, dominated against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, even though Kansas State lost. He had over 200 yards against the last year of the awesome Ohio State defense.

[Illmatic]

He had 45 yards on 16 touches against Ohio State

He also got a lot of yards against mediocre-at-best teams:
285 against Mizzou
216 against Iowa State
162 against Baylor
155 against UMass

It's why I think Barry Sanders's Heisman season was overrated: he was left in in blowouts against bad teams to pad his stats

My vote for Heisman that year would have gone to Larry Fitzgerald or even Mike Williams (big surprise, no?)

[3074326]

Wait..

I thought he had over 200 yards against OSU. I'm probably thinking of the wrong game.

I'm not doubting you, but I remember someone breaking a few nice runs against them in a bowl game.

EDIT: I think I was thinking of Chris Perry in the Michigan game right before the bowl game. But he didn't break 200. I don't know what I was thinking. :(

[Illmatic]

He had 235 yards against Oklahoma in the Big XII championship

[Illmatic]

A look ahead to 2006: NFL Draft Blitz's 2006 draft board:

1 Matt Leinart - QB - USC
- Would have gone #1 this year.
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson - OT - Virginia
- Supremely athletic tackle prospect.
3 *Omar Jacobs - QB - Bowling Green
- Shades of Daunte Culpepper.
4 Mathias Kiwanuka - DE - Boston Col.
- Dominating edge rusher.
5 *Mario Williams - DE - N.C. State
- Ready to play in the league now.
6 *Ahmad Brooks - LB - Virginia
- Size/Speed combo is excellent.
7 A.J. Hawk - LB - Ohio State
- Ran a 4.46 at OSU's pro day.
8 Marcus McNeill - OT - Auburn
- Physical, bookend type tackle
9 *Reggie Bush - RB - USC
- NCAA's most dangerous player.
10 DeAngelo Williams - RB - Memphis
- All-around threat at running back.
11 Chad Greenway - LB - Iowa
- Intelligent playmaking linebacker
12 Rodrique Wright - DT - Texas
- Could end up going #1 overall.
13 Abdul Hodge - LB - Iowa
- Unquestioned team leader.
14 Mike Degory - C - Florida
- Plays with a real mean streak
15 Jason Allen - CB/S - Tennessee
- Tall defensive back with speed.
16 Marcedes Lewis - TE - UCLA
- Should be UCLA's go-to guy.
17 *Laurence Maroney - RB - Minnesota
- Has the backfield to himself.
18 *Darnell Bing - S - USC
- Hard hitter who regressed in 04'.
19 Gerald Riggs Jr. - RB - Tennessee
- Took over late in the 04' season.
20 Matt Herian - TE - Nebraska
- Heath Miller-like tight end.

In all, MUCH better than this year's draft.

[3074326]

He had 235 yards against Oklahoma in the Big XII championship

Yeah, that was the game I was thinking of. I had a link ready to post in here last night to prove to myself that I'm not a complete moron, but I didn't post it..

[IvortheEngineDriver]

I think the Pats have had the worst draft so far. So far we have grabbed six very average players (Logan Mankins, Ellis Hobbs, Nick Kaczur, James Sanders, Dan Orlovsky, Ryan Clarlidge).
I dissagree fellow Bostonian!

As someone said earlier, dont under-estimate the genius of Belichick.

Belichick said himself that he didn't want to carry too many rookies into camp. So, who did he get? Guys who can contribute immediately. Mankins is probably going to be the starting LG or RG. Hobbs is a hard hitting corner who will step right in and be a edge guy on special teams. Kaczur is an old rookie (26) but he is a lot like Mankins. Both Mankins and Kaczur are almost Matt Light/Joe Andruzzi clones. They aren't flashy, but they are tough and will sacrifice themselves to save Brady. Sanders is a project, but Belichick sees enough in him. To tell you the truth, I think Guss Scott will be the heir apparant for Harrison, but Sanders could. Claridge is a Patriot, plain and simple. He's a lot like Bruschi in the sense that he's smart and is a team first guy. I think the most intriguing pick is Matt Cassell. How the hell you pick a guy who is the BACKUP to the #1 pick next year and the #1 pick 2 years ago? He's 6'4, 240 and is a smart gutsy guy. Sounds like he's ready for a few years groomed under the genius of Belichick.

Personally, I think Arizona had the best draft. They added and addressed almost every need. I think Rolle and Green will be the #1 and #3 corners respectively. Arrington could be the starting RB. Elton Brown and Blackstock were AMAZING picks. Brown could start at RG right now if they need him and Blackstock could be the starting LB opposite Dansby. Lance Mitchell could eventually start at MLB as soon as 2006, if he recovers. Great great draft!

[Illmatic]

Eh, it was a knee-jerk post to what seemed like a disappointing draft.