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k.s.e.
03-30-2005, 08:26 AM
pap smear

Permanent Solution
03-30-2005, 10:15 AM
Oh.

/plans on entering

Corupt2057
03-30-2005, 11:04 AM
lol nice new avatar zeppelin

Permanent Solution
03-30-2005, 01:12 PM
:D

Are we still playing the week long entry period?

Corupt2057
03-30-2005, 01:29 PM
who wouldn't they be?

Permanent Solution
03-30-2005, 01:32 PM
84 just seemed to go on longer...maybe I'm crazy though.

pixiesfanyo
03-30-2005, 01:49 PM
Pap Smear should've been the word.

joshmay
03-30-2005, 03:45 PM
let there be adhesivosity!

A_Perfect_Sonnet
03-30-2005, 03:47 PM
No no, pap smear is 2 words. It just doesn't work like that.

If I ever win one of these, my word will be pimpmobile. We need to get the brothers involved.

pixiesfanyo
03-30-2005, 06:58 PM
^ pimpmobile would be good.

Corupt2057
03-30-2005, 08:11 PM
fo shizzle my nizzle
lmao

cytoplasmicglob
03-30-2005, 08:44 PM
if I ever win one of these, my word will be 'No-doz', or 'twat'

Corupt2057
03-30-2005, 09:19 PM
any particular reason why?

jurialmunkey
03-30-2005, 10:25 PM
becoz.

Corupt2057
03-30-2005, 10:55 PM
If I happen to roast this one I doubt it because my taste is a little different from everyone's here I'd probably pick the words
Ominous, Palaver, Stabismus, Corrupt, Wanderlust
Wanderlust would be an interesting theme

super deluxe
03-31-2005, 02:00 AM
I pick orangutan.



Or booger.



Pompous words are lame.

super deluxe
03-31-2005, 02:00 AM
if I ever win one of these, my word will be 'No-doz', or 'twat'

Not "tomato soup"? :lol:

RunAmokRampant
03-31-2005, 02:25 AM
what date does anyone reckon the voting will close? Im assuming probably on the 14th april but it's never really that precise. Im going away for 2 weeks on sat and will be back on the 16th apr and I really want to enter this challenge. (8 consecutive challenges in row thats a milestone for me :) . Otherwise i suppose I'll just have to wait for the next.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
03-31-2005, 01:17 PM
Hmmmm, you could try to get a special exception, but you'd have to talk it over with the person who wants to regulate the voting thread.

k.s.e.
03-31-2005, 04:24 PM
who wants some advice? don't join the military.. like ever. on my way africa. bye you civillians.. oh how i admire you.

Permanent Solution
03-31-2005, 05:18 PM
/was going to but didn't
Sucks dude. Have a good trip though? Or something...I'm not quite sure the proper way to go about this :-/

k.s.e.
03-31-2005, 05:40 PM
Its juat annual training.. i'll only be there for 2 and a half - 3 weeks. i just hate leaving home and packing.. dam i hate packing.

Corupt2057
03-31-2005, 06:11 PM
k.s.e
you'll miss it when your out

k.s.e.
03-31-2005, 06:17 PM
eat my as.s are you a Marine? do you know what it was like to be in boot camp for 5 months? do you know how it feels like to be forced to roll on around on the ground naked praying to god that an officer would walk in and fuk over your drill instructor? do you know the pressures and demands of being an infantryman?

Corupt2057
03-31-2005, 06:22 PM
Actually I am a Marine
Cmon Devil Dog it isn't that bad keep your chin up and your head down

k.s.e.
03-31-2005, 06:24 PM
i'm not sure if i believe you.. MOS? i got like 2 minutes

Corupt2057
03-31-2005, 06:27 PM
Motor T


edit=typo

k.s.e.
03-31-2005, 06:29 PM
... POG...

bye guys.

Corupt2057
03-31-2005, 06:33 PM
Head down and your chin up
You're good to go

Disco Dragon
03-31-2005, 10:47 PM
Random joke:

Q: What did the egg say to the pan of boiling water?

A: It might take me a while to get hard because I just got laid.

RunAmokRampant
03-31-2005, 11:51 PM
Hmmmm, you could try to get a special exception, but you'd have to talk it over with the person who wants to regulate the voting thread.

And who would that be considering k.s.e will be gone for over 2 weeks?

A_Perfect_Sonnet
03-31-2005, 11:51 PM
^-not bad

edit: To runamok: I wouldn't have the least bit of an idea.

DFelon204409
04-01-2005, 02:15 PM
Hey VBFs, I posted a song finally.

DFelon204409
04-01-2005, 02:15 PM
^-not bad

edit: To runamok: I wouldn't have the least bit of an idea.

*Ahem*

Permanent Solution
04-01-2005, 02:18 PM
*Ahem*
Pfft...mods running LC's...intolerable.

Corupt2057
04-01-2005, 03:34 PM
Hey VBFs, I posted a song finally.

who's VBF?

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-01-2005, 06:02 PM
Various boyfriends? :)

j/k

DFelon204409
04-01-2005, 06:20 PM
Try all of you. Vagina Blood Fart.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-01-2005, 06:23 PM
That beats mine.

DFelon204409
04-02-2005, 02:06 AM
Indeed it does welcome to DFelon's vassar crunkkxfestival. Yay!!!! But ya, how about that thriving.

Permanent Solution
04-02-2005, 02:24 AM
Indeed...I better write something soon.

cytoplasmicglob
04-02-2005, 10:10 AM
Not "tomato soup"? :lol:
no, not tomato soup. man, I really wish I hadn't deleted that.

DFelon204409
04-03-2005, 03:26 AM
Tptal;;y. This talk is gettin stale. Let's rejuviatevate it. Go!!! No seriously. Rejuvenuation is neat.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-03-2005, 11:15 AM
The search for a drummer is endless. We've already got songs made up on guitars, and all we need is a drummer for beats, and me to lay down some lyrics and vocals.

/Small town bands :(

Rushfan2112
04-03-2005, 07:36 PM
I can almost relate, APS, my guitarist and I(drummer/lyrics) have been loking for a right bassist and rhythm guitar and singer and keyboardist (maybe someone somewhere can double up?!) for almost a year now. We can't find anyone with enough skill, dedication, or a mix of both that we like....

its like impossible to find a good player round these parts our age...

CSD & the Soul Machines
04-03-2005, 08:28 PM
Tptal;;y. This talk is gettin stale. Let's rejuviatevate it. Go!!! No seriously. Rejuvenuation is neat.

Not as neat as Bananas in Pajamas. And that's a scientific fact.

Disco Dragon
04-03-2005, 10:19 PM
Bananas in pajamas, are coming down the stairs...

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-03-2005, 11:15 PM
Great, now that song is kind of stuck in my head, except I don't know the words, so it's just repeating the first 2 lines.

Necroses-bass
04-04-2005, 04:03 PM
I can almost relate, APS, my guitarist and I(drummer/lyrics) have been loking for a right bassist and rhythm guitar and singer and keyboardist (maybe someone somewhere can double up?!) for almost a year now. We can't find anyone with enough skill, dedication, or a mix of both that we like....

its like impossible to find a good player round these parts our age...


Having good musicians in your band is important but its more important to find someone you can work with.

TIP: Do not try and start off with something terribly complicated stick to simple things and make them more complex as you get better alone and as a group.
You're a drummer don't try to show off (which is a thing drummers tend to do) using complex rhythm will make the bassists job harder which will also make the singers job harder.

Finding a vocalist, try and find a good one that writes lyrics as well, the vocalist will perform better when singing own lyrics, this has to do with the emotion put into the singing

Bassists also would love to show off with the speed of the fret hand, for a bassist its more important to get the rhythm right than the notes right.

Rhythm guitarist, find one with a unique sound this will make simple things interesting.

Its easy to find a good keyboard player, most of the can play Beethoven so dont worry about skill, of course you cant pick anyone of the street and ask him if hey wants to play keys in your band but you need someone with decent kit and a nice synth, this will beef up your sound or make it really soft and melodic.
with a kayboard player you can use polyphony in your band when you've advanced a bit.

Also a second vocalist is a very good idea but make sure it is the keyboard player or a guitarist because rhythm and vocals is on of the hardest combo's there are not many people that can unless you get a female bassist they can multitask (lol)

also last advice: make sure you have access to a big amp or PA system for the vocalist, if the vocalist can't hear him-/herself it will be out and it will sound bad and damage the vocal chords, and inadequate amps will blow by using a mic.

good luck these are things i found which helped me a lot, I'm the singer in a gothic death metal band we'll have a site up soon with mp3's on it.

again Good luck finding the members.

Very last bit of advice remove the words Instrumental section from your entry its stated in the rules that musical guidelines are not allowed

Disco Dragon
04-04-2005, 08:47 PM
So........... what do you call a gay dinosaur?

A tyranna-sore-***.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-04-2005, 09:59 PM
It seems overdone. I'll give it a D+, your delivery could've been better.

Rushfan2112
04-05-2005, 03:42 PM
"You're a drummer don't try to show off (which is a thing drummers tend to do"
Well hmph! I've never been so insulted. lol

"Finding a vocalist, try and find a good one that writes lyrics as well" I think we've decided, ever since the beginning, that I get to do the lyrics...just a general rule my guitarist and I came up with, he writes the music, I write lyrics, the other people are there to play what we write...We figure the spirit of the songer will but just as good as a song that is covered...he didn't write those lyrics, but he can still sing them with passion.

AS far as the other stuff, it's all around almost exactly what I've been goin for, but we just can't find anybody...

I mean, we are looking for skill and personality thats workable, not one more than the other. We just can't find anyone...

"Very last bit of advice remove the words Instrumental section from your entry its stated in the rules that musical guidelines are not allowed"

Thanks a bunch on that one, i Dont remember seeing the thing about guidelines...and typically when I write something I put those things in just as kinda a reference as to where I am in the song...thanks a million and two-thirds there!

And thanks for the advice as well, anything helps at the stage were at...and that definatly will do some good, Ill gather my guitarist and have him read that post...

Necroses-bass
04-05-2005, 04:04 PM
dude if the vocalist sing his own lyrics life will be easier, trust me, i'm a vocalist myself and find its easier using my own lyrics. normally u choose to cover a certain song which really fits you. and if you write something and get the rest to play it its not a gd idea, the rest will get bored of it after a while, it restricts artistic freedom. but its all up to u

Rushfan2112
04-05-2005, 10:12 PM
well i mean, if they come up with ideas, we'll obviously hear them out, but as far as the leading creativity, its me and him...

as far as the singer thing goes, i don't really buy it, i know plenty of good bands that their singer didn't write the lyrics too...however I am (by no means!) a singer. I sound like, well, lets not go there, but it isnt good...

Corupt2057
04-06-2005, 11:19 AM
where'd that come from..?
funny though..

Necroses-bass
04-06-2005, 02:17 PM
well i mean, if they come up with ideas, we'll obviously hear them out, but as far as the leading creativity, its me and him...

as far as the singer thing goes, i don't really buy it, i know plenty of good bands that their singer didn't write the lyrics too...however I am (by no means!) a singer. I sound like, well, lets not go there, but it isnt good...

if you write the lyrics have sum private time with the vocalist and really explain what effect youre trying to reach and what techniques u want him/her to use.

And about the leading creativity watch out with that it can really piss off the other band members, which is the case with my band, our new guitarist doesn't seem to understand the idea of gothic and has a really old skool approach. He does have amazing ideas though which i use a lot in my music.

Btw what style do u play (wrong question to ask since most bands dont want to fit in a specific scene anymore). so change of words, who are your influences.

Rushfan2112
04-06-2005, 03:53 PM
Well, our influences kinda vary, me, being drummer and lyricist, have influences in Rush...Neil Peart has like, the perfect job back there...other bands I like are Styx, Boston, Scorpion...but we don't sound at all like Styx or Boston...

My guitarist has influces more in the sounds of our band....Sabbath, Floyd, Zepellin....

Though, a two piece isn't nearly as good as those bands obviously!

And as far as a conversation with the singer, yeah, I've already figured I'd need to do something like that when we get a singer. WE used to have a guy who said he would sing (he didn't), and I used to explain to him verse for verse what my lyrics meant...

Lyrics for me are a stress releiver when I write them, and a very important part of my contribution to the band...If I couldn't write those I just wouldn't feel I was giving the same contribution

and as far as the creativity department in our music, I don't write the music, so I really can't say if anything will change when we add more members. But they can have creative freedom just like him and I, I imagine...no restrictions or anything, just as a primary songwriter, it's my guitarist....yeah....

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-06-2005, 08:29 PM
If your vocalist or other members of your band want to help write lyrics, work with them, that way it becomes a bonding experience and will (cheesy, I know) bring you guys closer together as a group. A happier band plays better together.

Corupt2057
04-07-2005, 09:11 AM
"idea of gothic"

omg teh gohts R heer!

Bigbadbob
04-07-2005, 06:02 PM
Youz guyz and your "BANDS"... Crack me up. I'm not laughing at you...just laughing. Do you put as much energy into school?

DFelon204409
04-07-2005, 07:41 PM
BBB, don't trash DRACULACORE. We're possibly the greatest thing ever to come out of music in the past forever.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-07-2005, 07:59 PM
Youz guyz and your "BANDS"... Crack me up. I'm not laughing at you...just laughing. Do you put as much energy into school?

Yeah, probably a little more. Though I prefer music.

Corupt2057
04-08-2005, 12:03 PM
BBB, don't trash DRACULACORE. We're possibly the greatest thing ever to come out of music in the past forever.

I LOVE YOU GUYZ!!!

Bigbadbob
04-08-2005, 04:12 PM
BBB, don't trash DRACULACORE. We're possibly the greatest thing ever to come out of music in the past forever.

I believe it. With those haircuts and matching vests...youz guyz rule!!!

Necroses-bass
04-08-2005, 06:08 PM
draculacore??? what the f.uck???

Corupt2057
04-08-2005, 07:44 PM
necroses-bass
did common sense fail you or just humor?
or both?
word

DFelon204409
04-09-2005, 11:46 AM
I believe it. With those haircuts and matching vests...youz guyz rule!!!

Our motto, "one plan, two men, three testicles: DRACULACORE"

www.hxcmp3.com/bands/12660 for Necroses-Bass.

Corupt2057
04-09-2005, 01:44 PM
DFelon or Joshmay can you lock the king's posted songs they keep getting bumped and he's been banned and the people here are just retarded and it's getting on me and APS's nerves
lol I appreciate ya :thumb:

Corupt2057
04-09-2005, 01:48 PM
nevermind seems he has been unbanned

Permanent Solution
04-09-2005, 03:23 PM
nevermind seems he has been unbanned
I reported him and another guy in site, but, of course, no one reads that thread :-/

Necroses-bass
04-09-2005, 03:27 PM
interesting music but not my thing, prefer European Gothic
Dude listen to this u might like it its a little band from my area (Hampshire, England)calles MFKZT, they use drum Machines but its noisy :D
http://www.mfkzt.co.uk/
By the way its pronounced Muf-Ku-Zit

DFelon204409
04-10-2005, 04:30 PM
I reported him and another guy in site, but, of course, no one reads that thread :-/

I'll ban him later. I just got my computer back and it came just in time to write 2 essays, study for 2 tests, and do a problem set, all due tomorrow.

Permanent Solution
04-10-2005, 07:17 PM
I'll ban him later. I just got my computer back and it came just in time to write 2 essays, study for 2 tests, and do a problem set, all due tomorrow.
/knows how that goes
/is in college too

DFelon204409
04-10-2005, 11:51 PM
Why does everybody have such a huge boner for flow this time around. How can you understand flow unless it purposefully rhymes. Have you ever heard how Circle Takes the Square puts lyrics to music. It's straight poetry to music. No attention to flow. They make it work because they're that cool. It's about content more than structure.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-11-2005, 12:13 AM
I don't exactly follow, mine lacks any flow whatsoever until the end, at least in my mind... It's probably because I tried to put music to it and couldn't. Just doesn't work acoustically :upset:.

Permanent Solution
04-11-2005, 10:41 AM
Why does everybody have such a huge boner for flow this time around. How can you understand flow unless it purposefully rhymes. Have you ever heard how Circle Takes the Square puts lyrics to music. It's straight poetry to music. No attention to flow. They make it work because they're that cool. It's about content more than structure.
I always do :p Read any crit I ever have written, if it's not flowy I bitch about it. I also hate CTTS.

cytoplasmicglob
04-11-2005, 04:11 PM
crap...I wrote it, edited it, and accidentally took out the word. oops. my bad.

TheEvilErk2008
04-11-2005, 04:30 PM
So if you read way back youll find a conversation between rushfan and sonnet...............
im the guitarist for rushfan and yeah, were still looking for a singer. Rushfan does the lyrics cause its hard as hell finding someone who can write and sing more or less just someone who can sing.
and to the kid who thinks our only obsession is music and we dont do anything in school. No, its not. Ive got a 4.0 and rushfan is quite the intelligent being. Thats part of the reason we'e better at compiling music than most people and why we are haveing trouble finding a singer (most people of the higher intelligence cant sing, and if they can, theyre goth)
sonnet, thanks for your help we appriciat.
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.
In reference to our stye, were as close to 80s sound as we can get. Its a combination of sabbath/Ozzy sound, rush lyrical rythm, and a little of our own. No extreme amount of keyboard and were trying to put more bass into it.
any suggestions on how to find a good basist or how to get a more pink floydish sound?

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-11-2005, 05:16 PM
I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd... find a good bassist by putting ads up in music stores and in the classifieds and stuff. It works.

Necroses-bass
04-11-2005, 06:18 PM
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.



Goth is about the search for a different personality, not to be different thats more punk. 'Goths' that say its about being different haven't got a clue what they're on about really, Yes I am saying Gothic is fading.
Gothic comes from ideas during the gothic era (Europe 1800's), The idea is derived from novels like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Dracula, Frankenstein and all them GOTHIC horror stories.

About the bassist part, as i said to Rushfan, find a bassist with rhythm, not a fast left hand, both would be ideal but hard to find. I play bass myself and pretty advanced (grade 8, English standard, dunno if that means anything to you) but I still find it hard to keep up with the beat when i'm tapping it so really you wanna look at rhythm and not what physical techniques he/she can use and that kinda ****.

I've had my say, good bye and have a nice day....

Permanent Solution
04-11-2005, 07:15 PM
Hmm...actually the Gothic was an extension of the Romantic period and dealt with embracing emotions, but in the case of the gothic, the darker and more morbid ones.

pixiesfanyo
04-11-2005, 07:19 PM
poop.

Disco Dragon
04-11-2005, 08:40 PM
Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?

Permanent Solution
04-11-2005, 09:00 PM
Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?
Gothic kids aren't Gothic. You can define real Gothicism because it originated a few hundred years ago as an art movement. Punk is also definable, but only as something going against the norm. Nothing is the same, so how can you define anything?

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-11-2005, 09:56 PM
You can define individual people. That's always fun.

Necroses-bass
04-12-2005, 08:41 AM
you can't define a certain styles, but they are just the ideas behind them. And gothic is a very wide sense it can be found in music, art, Literature and drama.
The Gothic zeppelinfan is talking about can be found in music,
Fashion and Art relates back to the Pagans (which were not satanists)
Gothic is indeed something you cant describe in one sentence.

DFelon204409
04-12-2005, 09:55 AM
I always do :p Read any crit I ever have written, if it's not flowy I bitch about it. I also hate CTTS.

Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.

Permanent Solution
04-12-2005, 12:40 PM
Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.
...because liking zeppelin makes me a fanboy and means I don't like good music...

I'm still amazed by the stupidity I encounter sometimes.

Necroses-bass
04-12-2005, 03:25 PM
Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.

Disagree lyrics are always gd as long as they're used for the right thing,

The lyrics for stairway are not bad, as long as you know that Robert Plant is on about heroine

TheEvilErk2008
04-12-2005, 04:02 PM
i agree that you cant define goths, but to say you are one is a huge leap. I get tired of seeing all these kids dressing up like vampires and acting like there is no hope in life, but they have nothing to complain about. But mostly i was refering to the musical standpoint of gothism. any time i hear it, it just makes you want to go and kill yourself cause they complain so much. And then all those frekin posers go and start blaring the music just so they can fit in with a click. im a fan of good apocolyptic themes,(such as By the Waters of Babylon, a great short story) but every other song? is gets a bit dolt and old.
If yall want to stand out, do it through hard work and skill, not through emphasizing depressing characteristics of everyday life.

Thanks for the suggestions on bass. We're new to this so we want to stay local, and local doesnt have any music stores. you would think there would be a couple of kids in an entire school of 1000 who could play bass, but none do. all of them brag about how theyre guitar players, yet many of them couldnt even play with a simple 4 beat on the drums. Next year we'll ask around the new kids and in the mean time check out the talent show.

DFelon204409
04-13-2005, 12:43 AM
...because liking zeppelin makes me a fanboy and means I don't like good music...

I'm still amazed by the stupidity I encounter sometimes.

No. What I was saying is that often people compromise lyrics for flow. I find flow to be incredibly secondary. You do not. I was making fun of a band that really sacrifices lyrical content for flow or feel. If you're a truly good band you can let your music have the feel and flow and just let whatever lyrics you interject flow on top. I don't need to listen to Bono go WHOAAAAAA over and over in 4/4 to keep me happy.

Permanent Solution
04-13-2005, 12:50 AM
No. What I was saying is that often people compromise lyrics for flow. I find flow to be incredibly secondary. You do not. I was making fun of a band that really sacrifices lyrical content for flow or feel. If you're a truly good band you can let your music have the feel and flow and just let whatever lyrics you interject flow on top. I don't need to listen to Bono go WHOAAAAAA over and over in 4/4 to keep me happy.
I find a balance necessary, if I want to read poetry, I'll read poetry, if I want lyrics, I want a mix of sound and content. Music is, to me, about the mood and emotion it creates, and lyrics that are disjunct with the music ruin that for me. If I saw lyrics entered in the challenge that were only "Whoa whoa" I wouldn't give it a good rating. I think you're taking my preference for flow to an illogical extreme here. I think both should be present so, decent lyrics present, I'll look for flow supplementing them :)

EDIT: Sorry if I jumped on you earlier, school stress++

super deluxe
04-13-2005, 03:02 AM
I always thought the Goths were ravaging hordes that pillaged and terrorized Europe. And they came in varieties like Ostrogoth, Visigoth, Hottopicgoth...

DFelon204409
04-13-2005, 12:11 PM
I find a balance necessary, if I want to read poetry, I'll read poetry, if I want lyrics, I want a mix of sound and content. Music is, to me, about the mood and emotion it creates, and lyrics that are disjunct with the music ruin that for me. If I saw lyrics entered in the challenge that were only "Whoa whoa" I wouldn't give it a good rating. I think you're taking my preference for flow to an illogical extreme here. I think both should be present so, decent lyrics present, I'll look for flow supplementing them :)

EDIT: Sorry if I jumped on you earlier, school stress++

See. You said it yourself: "supplementing." It is a plus, an addition. I sense people evaluated my song primarily as flow and not with flow as the supplement. I think people should only really weight flow for hip hop but even with that, verbal wit and lyricism is still more important. Also, I am able to evaluate quality of content/meaning/poeticism without hearing the music that supplements it. That's the thing, how can you know if it flows or not if you can't hear the music? A lot of lyrics don't make sense flow-wise until you know the song or at least the meter so it's unfair to dock somebody for not having a "flow" you can recognize. They may have a meticulously planned in figured out but the grader is just too stupid to get it. That sucks.

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Balancing flow is and lyrical content is a skill, and there are extremes on either end. I try to do both, but it just takes experimentation. Most of it is personal preference, but you can make anything flow if you have the proper rhythm to it (CTTS).

Permanent Solution
04-13-2005, 02:26 PM
See. You said it yourself: "supplementing." It is a plus, an addition. I sense people evaluated my song primarily as flow and not with flow as the supplement. I think people should only really weight flow for hip hop but even with that, verbal wit and lyricism is still more important. Also, I am able to evaluate quality of content/meaning/poeticism without hearing the music that supplements it. That's the thing, how can you know if it flows or not if you can't hear the music? A lot of lyrics don't make sense flow-wise until you know the song or at least the meter so it's unfair to dock somebody for not having a "flow" you can recognize. They may have a meticulously planned in figured out but the grader is just too stupid to get it. That sucks.
Well the thing is, I need to see a balance, and, for the record, I thought yours did flow. I would rather see decent lyrics and great flow over great lyrics and no flow in general though. I don't evaluate content, if I did I would always get a zero because my topics aren't original. I evaluate lyricism, which includes flow, content and structure mong other things for me. I don't dock heavily for flow, I use it as a deciding factor between roughly equivalent pieces in my eyes.

Necroses-bass
04-13-2005, 03:50 PM
. But mostly i was refering to the musical standpoint of gothism. any time i hear it, it just makes you want to go and kill yourself cause they complain so much.
There is music like that which fits in with the style gothic, Personally i call them bands 'The rapists of gothic'. A reasonably good example (if i say so myself) of gothic lyrics is my entry in challenge 83. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308144 post number 12)
The annoying thing is that america (no offence) was not a very good influence on gothicism. Gothic music is a fusion of Celtic, Romantic and Metal
Good examples are bands like After Forever, Within Temptation and Nightwish.

.I always thought the Goths were ravaging hordes that pillaged and terrorized Europe. And they came in varieties like Ostrogoth, Visigoth, Hottopicgoth...

It's a stereotype created by people who got their information wrong, all goths i know are very peaceful

DFelon204409
04-13-2005, 09:09 PM
It's a stereotype created by people who got their information wrong, all goths i know are very peaceful

If you're serious about that then you're an idiot.

Permanent Solution
04-13-2005, 09:19 PM
When is voting going to close/when are half the people going to vote? :-/

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Voting closes tomorrow, we have 3 complete votes.

Corupt2057
04-13-2005, 10:39 PM
Voting closes tomorrow, we have 3 complete votes.
yeah seems like everyone needs to vote up or alot of good writer's are going to be DQed next round..

(maybe that went without saying :rolleyes: )

DFelon204409
04-14-2005, 07:50 AM
A) I always do my votes last second
B) I'm in charge of closing the thread
C) Chill

Necroses-bass
04-14-2005, 01:44 PM
If you're serious about that then you're an idiot.

if course i'm not serious, them dudes are extremely dangerous when you piss them off. But they would randomly start terrorising the place

Corupt2057
04-14-2005, 10:45 PM
A) I always do my votes last second
B) I'm in charge of closing the thread
C) Chill
D) There's always another option
E) All The Above

;)

Corupt2057
04-15-2005, 02:11 PM
you gonna get this closed DFelon so we can get started on something else..

Permanent Solution
04-15-2005, 02:20 PM
C) Chill
/predicted response

DFelon204409
04-15-2005, 02:59 PM
I thought we'd let it go another day just because so many people seem to be missing out.

Rushfan2112
04-15-2005, 03:30 PM
Woot! that another day thing is a life saver guys, my computer decided that completly dying sounded like fun...so it went a head and played hookey from working for awhile...just got the internet connection back up and runing today! I lost everyting on this computer (including some cool graphic design things I had fun working on, and a few lyrics I didn't have backed up on my other computer, tons of songs, games, etc...)

Ugh...anyway, I'll get to the voting, hold up...

DFelon204409
04-15-2005, 03:38 PM
Mush!!!

Rushfan2112
04-15-2005, 03:43 PM
Youz guyz and your "BANDS"... Crack me up. I'm not laughing at you...just laughing. Do you put as much energy into school?

I'll level with you, no, I put hardly any energy forth to school...yet I haven't had a C or lower in over a year...school isn't that complicated, and it baffles me how one can say that it's hard work...I could teach half of my classes (and I'm pretty sure Erk over there does...lol) My grades are perfectly fine, I'm in good classes, etc. The steriotype that rockers don't do well in school is bull, I feel to be living proof... However, if you feel like you want to keeping laughing, go ahead...I'm happy to make someone's day...

Oh, and Sonnet, your 'cheesy' suggestion of bonding with the singer.....I liked that, sounds like an incredibly good way to go about trying it my way...danke...

Permanent Solution
04-15-2005, 03:44 PM
Mush!!!
Says the man with no votes yet :p

(Yes I read your post above)

DD never gave crits "tomorrow" either seeing as that was yesterday :-/ Oh well.

Necroses-bass
04-15-2005, 08:33 PM
...school isn't that complicated, and it baffles me how one can say that it's hard work...I could teach half of my classes (and I'm pretty sure Erk over there does...lol) My grades are perfectly fine, I'm in good classes, etc. The steriotype that rockers don't do well in school is bull, I feel to be living proof...

Agrees,
A's for everything (yay :D) apart from a C in English but thats not bad for a third language And i have never revised till i left secondary school and went to college.

TheEvilErk2008
04-15-2005, 10:15 PM
being smart isnt that great though...........no rocker has ever made it without smarts AND drugs. Yet in this day and age we need to return to the "insanity" style, but without the drugs. Personly, I take from angus young
; although he acts liike a pshyco hes not touched anything in a while. So i just act like im stoned. It makes you less irritated if you dont hate anyone and you never get in a fight if your always paranoid you are. And if you think your god........well you cant jump off a building but you can still take risks. this craziness can only be achieved by not thinking about what you know but how to apply what you know in a manner that doesnt take brains to comprehend. Plus youll never make an enemy. I like icecream.......Any way, I need to find someone who knows what music is but isnt dedicated to a stlye so that i may mold him into a basist of true rock and roll. any suggestions? i cant find anymore band geek drop outs. dang.

Rushfan2112
04-15-2005, 11:30 PM
"no rocker has ever made it without out smarts and drugs"

Drugs, and to a lesser extent, smarts, do not determine if you make it or not...I mean, yes a lot of stars do drugs (I would say 99%) but I don't think this makes an effect on whether they 'make it' or not...its like saying "no rocker has ever had genuine french fries from france and made it", whether or not they have had the french fries doesn't effect whether or not they make it, as the two are unrelated subjects...when you start narrowing your mind like that, my friend, it causes Hendenberg like results...

Now that I included Hindenberg and french fries in the same paragraph, my work here is finished...

..and I take that band geek drop out comment offensive! lol

SeasonOfTheMad
04-15-2005, 11:46 PM
zappa didnt do drugs except coffee and cigs

Rushfan2112
04-16-2005, 10:54 PM
So umm, I'm chillin and all, and I mean, this chillin is awesome, it's like chilled kool-aide, it doesn't get much better...especially when it's blue kool-aide, man, that stuff is kickass, or the kind you put in and it changes color...dude, that stuff is awesome...

I guess what I'm saying is, how long until the voting is closed...

A_Perfect_Sonnet
04-16-2005, 11:54 PM
Not until DFelon votes :).

/Mods :rolleyes:

RunAmokRampant
04-17-2005, 02:48 AM
Tom Morello graduated from Havard(sp?). He kinda screws up the stereotype.

Necroses-bass
04-17-2005, 02:46 PM
hmm interesting labels we get, in my school the top all classes existed from alternatives I think it actually takes some intellegence to appreciate Rock and Metal styles

Necroses-bass
04-17-2005, 05:26 PM
If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet, what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it off the eigth floor?

Permanent Solution
04-17-2005, 05:28 PM
You get a tasty piece of buttered toast splattered with cat.

Local_Skater
04-17-2005, 05:32 PM
Mmmmm, Bender Burgers :).

/futurama reference

Disco Dragon
04-17-2005, 07:42 PM
I think we all need to take turns punching DF in the face until he votes.

TheEvilErk2008
04-17-2005, 07:43 PM
i dont know.......i like my cat with a little jelly.....does that make a difference?

Corupt2057
04-17-2005, 07:55 PM
I think we all need to take turns punching DF in the face until he votes.
ew ew where's the line start lol j/k but yeah seriously man come on with it

edit: btw the way DD care to return that crit on Holding in my Hands while you're online at the moment..?

Disco Dragon
04-17-2005, 08:15 PM
Sure. But first, tell me why you "ew'd" at my comment about punching him in the face?

Corupt2057
04-17-2005, 09:39 PM
ew like good idea

DFelon204409
04-17-2005, 10:54 PM
Wait you guys are being dumb. I'm DQing myself because I know I have too much work and it'd be bad for my work to do another challenge. I said one more day for the challenge and nobody has tabulated the votes yet. If you want another challenge, somebody get the work done.

Permanent Solution
04-17-2005, 11:15 PM
Dunno if the numbers are calculated quite right but Corrupt is head and shoulders above everyone else.

Corupt2057 0.8
Scarred4Life 2.6
A Perfect Sonnet 2
Rushfan2112 2.8
DiscoDragon 2
DFelon204409 2.6
zeppelinfan2k3 2
Might Morphin Power Ranger 3

Corupt2057
04-17-2005, 11:18 PM
how'd you come up with numbers like that?

by the way DFelon sorry for the impatience, just bored

Permanent Solution
04-17-2005, 11:20 PM
how'd you come up with numbers like that?

by the way DFelon sorry for the impatience, just bored
Add the places, drop the lowest vote, take an average of all votes...like I said it's probably not quite right, but with your dropped five you have two 1's and a 2, clear win.

Corupt2057
04-17-2005, 11:35 PM
yeah I read the rules my bad should have went there first
anyways I'll post the new challenge tomorrow I'm gonna think on it tonight but don't worry it won't be any hideous pompous words lol