Rhythm and Meter help please (pics inside)

[HondoII]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/bar1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/bar2.jpg

How would I go about filling those in using the "1 e + a" method? I have yet to cover these 2 time sigs and I have no class this week so I can't ask my teacher. It also looks like there are some bar lines ' | ' missing.

Thank you. :)

(please note that the bars in the pictures are a single bar, I just cut them so they wouldnt stretch out the page.)

[moaner]

you have entirely lost me...

sorry. I don't know maerican music notation with the letters, or the answer :upset:

[larry_emder]

Nup, lost me too - that looks hard

[KKKKKocaine]

you have entirely lost me...

sorry. I don't know maerican music notation with the letters, or the answer :upset:

The letters are just a form of counting, drummers use them as well, it probably doesn't crop up so much in guitar notation.
As for the actual question, in my theory test I claimed that C was on two lines, one on the line and the other the gap above it, so I can't help.

[airborne50caliber]

im on grade 6 theory but I still don't understand what they want you to do with it.. it isn't exactly aligned to the notes!

btw commontime is the same as 4/4 so i think you have used that before.

[Trigger_003]

Airborne, they've actually got split time, not common.

Threadstarter, maybe this will help you. The bottom number of a time signature depicts the type of beat. 2 = minum (also known as a half note), 4 = crotchet (quarter note), 8 = quaver (eighth note) and so on. The top number is how many of those you will play.
Hence, the 6/4 time signature is 6 crotchets per bar (measure).

C - meaning common time - is simply your 4/4. A "C" with a line through it (as I said before) is split time. The piece counted like there are 2 minums per bar, rather than the counting pattern you would use in 4/4. This is mainly for use in a band situation where there is a conductor - so he/she doesn't have to break their wrist while conducting a fast song.

So yeah, some bars are missing. That may be what is confusing you.
- In the split time one, there should be a barline after the first quaver, then next bar is fine. The one after that, the bar is actually supposed to be BEFORE the minum, not after it. Another line goes after the next quaver, and one before the first semiquaver.
- 6/4: there's supposed to be a bar right where you cropped it, another before the first set of two minums (get rid of that bar you've already got on the second line), and the last between the 2nd and 3rd of those three crotchets.

Hope that makes sense and that you can now work out the counting. If not, I'll (or someone else might) draw them on for you.

[Trigger_003]

Well, I did it anyway.
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/bar1.jpg
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/bar2.jpg
I put in the missing bar lines (and cut out the wrong ones) too. If you don't understand what I did, please ask... after all, that's the purpose of the exercise - to understand it.

By the way, sorry about the double post. People might have missed it otherwise.

[HondoII]

Oh man, thanks a ton. You really know how to explain your stuff :D

Do you think you could help me with another one?

[Trigger_003]

As I said, no probs.
Sure thing.

[HondoII]

Ok this one is in 9/8:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/nine8.jpg

and then I have to do this, which is probably relatively simple but I am just really overthinking this stuff.

Instructions:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/instructions.jpg

Problems:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/e95efadc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/5e864306.jpg

Thanks a ton for any help you can provide me. And if you can fill them in, can you please tell how you got the answers because this is something I really want to understand.

[ColdFire]

im on grade 6 theory but I still don't understand what they want you to do with it.. it isn't exactly aligned to the notes!

btw commontime is the same as 4/4 so i think you have used that before.It's not in common time it is cut time.

[Trigger_003]

Ah man, I wrote out all this stuff this morning, accidentally clicked back and lost it :upset:. So I decided to get stuck into my pile of homework... sorry about that.

By the way, did you understand everything from your first set of countings? If not, it might be harder to understand some more advanced signatures.
And when you do this yourself, you might want to try this - just while you're just starting out:
Fill in the 1, 2, 3 etc. first - the whole way though. Then go back and put in the +'s. After that put in the e's and a's. With a bit of practise, you'll get good at it and generally be able to go and count straight through.

Here's the 9/8 one: http://www.tdknights.com/trea/nine8.jpg
Work it out by counting the 9 quavers (eighth notes) per bar and drawing in the bar lines. Pretty simple.
Once you have it all worked out in 9/8, we can transfer it into three. This simply means you'd be counting the numbers 1, 2 and 3 each bar.

The maths: numerator (top number of the key signature) divided by three
= 9 divided by 3
= 3

So starting on 1 in the 9/8 time, every third numer is considered a number when counting in 3... e.g.
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
1,_,_,2,_,_,3,_,_

So basically, when counting in 3, one beat is equal to a dotted crotchet (sorry about talking like this if you use the American system of "eighth notes" etc.). And when counting a dotted crotchet, you just count "1+a".

I don't have time at the moment to finish writing up an explaination to the one with the instructions. I'll finish it off later if nobody else has answered it.
Hope that all makes sense so far. :thumb:

[Trigger_003]

Hope you enjoy reading all this :p. Sorry, I can’t really do it much shorter.

http://www.tdknights.com/trea/e95efadc.jpg
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/5e864306.jpg
To do this exercise, you’ve gotta work out what note represents a beat and how many beats there are in a bar. First you’ve got to figure out if you’re using simple or compound time. Simple and compound refers to the division of the beat.

Simple time:
- The beat is able to be divided into two equal parts.
- All time signatures where the top number is an even number which isn’t divisible by three are simple.
- The upper number tells you the amount of beats in a bar and the lower tells you the kind of note that represents the beat.

Compound time:
- The beat is able to be divided into three equal parts.
- When the top number is both greater than and divisible by 3 (6, 9, 12, etc.), this is compound time.
- The upper number divided by three tells you the amount of beats per bar and the lower says what note represents the division of the beat (this is explained in the 6/8 example below).

This is maybe a bit confusing so here are some examples. You may need to read over these a few times for them to sink in...

6/8: 6 is bigger than 3 and divisible by three, meaning it is compound time.
The top number divided by three is 2; there are 2 beats per bar. This knowledge gives us two answers; the beats per bar, and it also gives us the name - compound (from what we worked out at the start of this example) duple (because of there being 2 beats per bar).
Now, the lower number tells us the division of the beat (not the whole beat, the division) is a quaver. In compound time the beat is divided into three equal parts, meaning there are three quavers in each beat. Combine these three quavers together and you get a dotted crotchet – the value of a beat.

4/4: 4 is even and isn’t divisible by three, meaning that it is simple time.
The upper number is the amount of beats in a bar – so there are 4. This means that the time is quadruple. Knowing that 4/4 is simple time, we can combine these, naming it simple quadruple.
The lower number is the beat value – 4 being a crotchet (quarter note)

What happens with 3/4 though? The top number is divisible by three, BUT it’s not larger than three. So this is simple time.

Now we’ll get onto simple odd:
- When the time signature has an odd number (that isn’t 3, or is greater than and also divisible by 3) on the top i.e 5, 7, 11, 13, 15, etc., it is called odd time.
- In these, the beats break down into groups of simple or compound times. With the top number being 5, the beats will break into a group of 2 and a group of 3 or visa versa and can change per bar... this is what LFD was talking about in the guitar forum.
- I’m not totally sure of this, but I think – like in simple time - the upper number tells you the amount of beats in a bar and the lower tells you the kind of note that represents the beat.

Hope that clears it up for you :thumb:.

EDIT: That 9/2 one, just in case you can't see it properly is a dotted semibreve (dotted whole note).

[HondoII]

Wow, that is a lot of information to take it. But I can't thank you enough for putting it in musical terms that are actually understandable and honestly not being able to thank you enough for taking the time to type all this out. I must say you are an extremely talented musician and I hope you fufill all your musical desires. I am totally making this into a study guide because I can't find a single book that explains it like you did.

Again, even at the risk of being very repetitive, thank you!

[Trigger_003]

:) Thanks and any time. Glad to help.

[moaner]

i get it now. thanks.

[RushHourSoul]

Someone rep him

[HondoII]

I know this is rather rude of me to ask but would you be willing to fill in this one? I don't really understand 'pick-up' measures yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/prob1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/prob2.jpg

Thanks :)

[airborne50caliber]

upbeats

[HondoII]

bump :(

[Trigger_003]

I've almost finished answering that - I'll finish up and post it in the morning if I can (which i probably can) fit it in, but I have to go now.

EDIT: Sorry can't now. i'll do tonight

[Aes820]

She knows her theory.. I'll give her that.

[Trigger_003]

I know this is rather rude of me to ask... <- Hey, stop there man. Seriously, it’s not any hassle for me, so don’t worry about it. Anyway, you can’t be rude for trying to understand something :). Sorry I didn’t answer this earlier, I was out.

http://www.tdknights.com/trea/prob1.JPG
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/prob2.JPG
I figure what you’re supposed to do here is both count it out as in the previous exercises and also add in any rests for missing beats at the end of the piece. That’s why prob2 is a bit weird – it doesn’t have a pick up measure at the start. Ah well.

It probably all makes sense as soon as you see the examples but hey.
Don’t get confused by all of this (it’s just hard to write out meaning a long description). It’s actually not that complicated to do this exercise. You count the piece out normally, put in the bars normally, etc., etc.; the only bit that you have to do anything differently is the incomplete first bar (anacrusis/pick-up measure) and the also incomplete last bar. These are “incomplete” due to the pick-up note(s).
Even then it’s quite simple. If you have a quaver in the pick-up measure, leave the value of a quaver out of the bar at the end of the piece. And so on with the various note values.

So to do this exercise, take whatever values off that you need to... hold on, an example’s probably better:
e.g. There’s a piece in 4/4 which has a pick-up measure of a quarter note in length. The last bar of the piece therefore must only go for the length of 3 quarter notes. At the moment, in the exercise you are given (- the one I'm making up of course - using the same format as the exercises you are asking about), the last bar only has 2 quarter notes written in. Hence you add a quarter note rest (I’m guessing that’s what you call it in the American terms).

Hope that’s understandable so far. That’s all there is to it. Well... that’s not actually all there is to pick-up notes, but that’s all you need to know for the exercises. Here’s a further explanation:

Not every song starts on the first beat. As you can see in the very first bar of prob1, the bar isn’t complete. There aren’t enough notes to make up two eighth notes (the amount of beats you’re supposed to have per bar in this case). But because this is happening at the start of the piece, it’s completely acceptable; those two demi-semi-quavers (32nd notes) in prob1 are what we call the pick up note(s). You may have heard of them being called an anacrusis, or as Airborne said, an upbeat – these are all valid names for the same thing. Basically those notes are your kind of lead-in notes to the first phrase (if you have no idea what phrasing is, you might want to check out http://www.tdknights.com/trea/phrasing.htm).

Because of the notes missing at the start, you just have to compensate by having a shorter last bar.

Oh, and it’s not only the first phrase that can have pick-up notes. They can lead into any phrase, but the only time that an incomplete bar can be used for pick-up notes is at the start of the piece. If a pick-up note is to be used during the piece, it is simply included within an existing bar, using rests if necessary.

And in case you need it, here’s another example:
Think of the song Happy Birthday. Counting in, you’d go: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, Happy... then into the song. Each “Happy” is a new phrase. You can probably hear how “Happy” isn’t sung as a strong part of the song... more like a lead up to that part...

Hope that’s fine and once again, sorry for the length:thumb:.

[HondoII]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/prob3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/prob4.jpg

Note the triplet in the first one =/

Also, need not worry about the length of any of your post. The more info the better for me :D

[Trigger_003]

Just before I start, I was wondering if you go through these exercises (or other ones similar to these) after I’ve explained them and - trying not to refer to the ones I did for you – fill them out? Putting it into practise is probably one of your best ways to memorise this kinda thing.

Oh and I noticed I had made a typo. Where I described odd-time, I included “9” in the i.e.’s. 9 goes in the compound time category so yeah, anyone that has saved that section somewhere, you might want to take that one out.

I’ll start with problem 4: http://www.tdknights.com/trea/prob4.jpg
This is almost the same as the earlier exercises, so I’m guessing you just don’t have all that earlier stuff memorised yet... or you just didn’t bother to try this one? Ah well, as I said, it’ll all come with practise.

Anyway, to do this, much like in that 9/8 example from earlier on, work it out in 9 first. The time signature tells us there are 9 crotchets (quarter notes) in a bar, so mark those out accordingly. Once you’ve counted it out, see how many beats are missing at the end. There are 4 quarter notes not accounted for in the final bar, so add in a whole note rest. Then using the same process from the 9/8 example, transfer it all into three.

Here’s problem 3: http://www.tdknights.com/trea/prob3.jpg
Triplets trouble you, eh? Well, that’s what it sounds like anyway. They’re relatively easy to understand; three notes are played in the space of two... e.g.:
3 quavers (eighth notes) are played in the space of what 2 quavers are usually played in – i.e. a crotchet (quarter note),
3 crotchets are played in the space of 2 crotchets – i.e. a minim (half note),
And so on.

Some people count these by saying “trip-pul-let” each time. For quaver triplets some others say “1 trip-let, 2 trip-let,” etc., but “1ea, 2ea,” is what we’ll use for this at least... unless you’ve been taught another way.

In the case where the crotchet and quaver are in the same triplet, well it’s pretty self explanatory; the crotchet lasts for what two quavers in the triplet would.

Unless that bit on triplets doesn’t make sense, you should be able to go straight through that exercise. Then again, your troubles might still be with the whole anacrusis concept. So if you are still unsure about anything to do with pick-up measures, please ask. I know I didn’t describe them as well as everything else.

[Trigger_003]

Bump?

[HondoII]

oh sorry, I forgot to check in here :upset:

To answer your questions. Yes I go over them and try them myself. I also have my friends make some for me and I give those ones a go as well. I use yours as reference materials (which are great btw.)

Again, need not worry about the length or the way you describe these problems. I understand basically everything you say and I always try to practice these things. The pick-up measures are still a bit odd to me but I still try them everyday.

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to help me with these problems :)

[Trigger_003]

That's cool.
Glad to hear that you're practising it all. If I can find the time I'll see if I can make that pick-up description a bit clearer for you.

[I AM CANADA]

**** i should know this, but what is cut time and how is it counted? is is 2/2?

[Trigger_003]

C - meaning common time - is simply your 4/4. A "C" with a line through it (as I said before) is split time. The piece counted like there are 2 minums per bar, rather than the counting pattern you would use in 4/4. This is mainly for use in a band situation where there is a conductor - so he/she doesn't have to break their wrist while conducting a fast song.
Yeah.

[HondoII]

speaking of cut time.

I am having trouble naming them.

This is the problem.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/probthree.jpg

I know you explained it already, but I still dont really know how you know when to put a 'dot' after the note.

Also, how would you count a duplet? Is it '1 A' ? '1 +'?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/probone.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/probtwo.jpg

If you could fill in those ones it would be greatly appreciated and to save you some trouble I only need explanations of the 2 requested problems (if it is no trouble of course.)

[Trigger_003]

:)

http://tdknights.com/trea/probthree.jpg
I’m basically just saying what I’ve said before, but it might make more sense this way or something...
You’re not going to get dotted notes (as the beat) in simple time. I don’t think you do in odd time either – but that’s just me supposing this.

However, you do get dotted notes as the beat in compound time. As I’ve said before, the lower number of the time signature represents the value of the division of the beat.
We’re looking for the whole value of the beat though, and thus we need to multiply that division. In compound time, the beat is divided into groups of three. So to find a full beat’s length, all we need to do is make the value of the lower note in the time signature three times longer... e.g.
- x/8; three eighth notes are equivalent to a dotted quarter note
- x/16; three sixteenth notes are equivalent to a dotted eighth note
etc.

You understand how to work out the rest of them, right?

Btw, if you don’t need an explanation of probtwo, why are you asking me to do it for you? :p. I’ve done it anyway, but how about you have a go at completing it yourself and post it up on here before I give you a link to it? Just make sure you fill in the bar lines first.

http://tdknights.com/trea/probone.jpg
Duplets are much like triplets. As long as you understood all the triplet stuff, this should be easy for you. Duplets and triplets are basically opposites of each other.
Triplets: used in simple time; divides the beat into 3 parts.
Duplets: used in compound time; divides the beat into 2 parts.
So, instead of playing three notes in the space of the usual 2 of that value (as we do with triplets), we play two notes in the space of three.

e.g. (6/8)
1+2+3 <- usual
1__2_ <- duplet

Hope that helps :thumb:

[HondoII]

Hehe, can't blame me for trying to get a freebee >_> :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/probz2.jpg

That's what I got. Those ties are a little confusing I think >_>

/probably got it all wrong and is going to get yelled at and never receive help from trigger again :upset:

[Trigger_003]

Haha, don't worry I don't flame.

Here's what I've got: http://tdknights.com/trea/probtwo.jpg.
You did okay - a bit out in some places but hey, at least you tried.
Did you count out the beats 1, 2, 1, 2 before you put in the e's, and's and a's? I think it'd help while you're still not so confident with this. It'll probably prevent you from doing something like labelling a crotchet as an "a" as you did in the second last bar :p.

Was everything from my last post fine?

[HondoII]

Ahh, I see I did make a few mistakes. I didn't notice those 16ths barred with the 8th dotted notes >_>

That actually makes a lot more sense now. I think my problem may be that I fill in all the ones I believe to be '1's' first then fill in the 'e + a's then go to 2, etc until complete.

I did notice something though. The last section ends on 1 + a, should it end there or is a rest required due to the 'pick up' section in the beginning?

You last post was perfect as usual. I think I just need to get into the habit of memorization as to how to know when to 'dot' a note and what makes up a compound beat, etc.

Thank you for being so patient with me :)

[HondoII]

Having a little trouble with this one.

It's all going back to the beginning dealing with 4/4 time. If you could possibly tell me what I am doing wrong (because when counting it out, it sounds very weird =/ )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/problem1z.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/Problem2z.jpg

[Trigger_003]

The second link didn’t work...

http://tdknights.com/trea/problem1z.jpg
Glad you had a go at it first. It was a good shot too. Don’t worry man, this really isn’t going back to the basics. It is slightly more confusing than the ones at the start.

The first bar was almost right. The only error here seems to be just you not recognising either the semiquavers (sixteenth notes) or the crotchet (quarter) rest as their whole values.

The concept presented in the second bar can be a bit confusing at first. You may have to read this explaination a few times and compare it to the problem to understand it.
See how the first thing in this bar is a sixteenth note rest? Because of this, the notes following it are put out of sync. by the length of a sixteenth note. So instead of the 2 - for example - falling on the quaver (eighth note) as it would've usually, it belongs between the two quavers - a sixteenth note after where it would've been counted if that rest hadn't been there at the start of the bar.

This continues to happen until the third beat; when the counting patterns return to what you're used to.

If a bar doesn't look right (for example, you had the last quaver in the second bar counted as "4", where it really should have been "+"), go back through it all and check where the numbers belong. Grouping the beats together may help you.

Hope that helps :thumb:.

[HondoII]

Wow... I didn't think I would be that off :upset:

Looks like I really need to practice my distribution of 'e' '+' 'a' =/

Maybe I did better in the second one (I fixed the link)

I can comprehend what you are saying in your last explanation, it is just a tad weird when I actually have the problem in front of me and I try to count along. (Kinda like when I look at your answer I'm like "Doh! Of course that makes sense, why didn't I put that?" I'm probably not concentrating hard enough on the problems at hand.)

I did have another one that maybe you can take a crack at. This one I believe looks somewhat right (the first one anyways) but the 2nd one I am having a little trouble counting the duplets in 6/8 timing. I have it being counted as ' 1 + 2 + 3 +' where the '1 + 2 +' are lined up under the duplet and the '3 +' are outside just before the next note in the rhythm. Am I counting this correctly?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/rhythm1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/rhythm2.jpg


Thanks a lot :)

[Trigger_003]

Yeah, that’s cool. You’ll get used to this stuff eventually and hardly have to think about it anymore.

http://tdknights.com/trea/Problem2z.jpg
Once again the e + a distribution is a problem. Do you understand why and how the timing is made a bit weird during those particular sections? Once you’re aware of that and can recognise them sections, you’ll be fine.
So if so, just concentrate a bit more on counting when those semiquavers start to appear. Not every count has to fall where a note is written.
If you don’t get that whole concept, let me know and I’ll elaborate a bit.

[HondoII]

Doh..

I can't say I know 100% why and how the timing is made a bit weird, but I think I have a very small understanding of it (at the moment anyways). I do understand that a count doesnt have to fall under every note, but I think I need to practice my note values a bit more. It's a little weird because in some rhythms a quarter note is notated as '1 +' where as in others it is like '1 2' (well I think it was the quarter note that was like that.)

I'll see what I can do about comprehension of the whole 'e + a' situation, but if I can't I will certainly ask you to elaborate a bit more if you are willing.

[Trigger_003]

It was a good effort, don't worry about it.
I'm willing, I'm just not sure of how I'm going to do so. I'll start on it a bit later if you can't work it out :).

Here are the other ones btw.
Rhythm 1: Sorry, I’m gonna make you try this one again. The bars weren’t in the right place and that messed it up the whole way through, so I’ve put them in the right places for you. Try filling it in now... and really think about how you count when you get to those sixteenth notes.
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/rhythm1.jpg

Rhythm 2:
http://www.tdknights.com/trea/rhythm2.jpg
In 6: Totally correct :thumb:! The only thing I can say for this is, well, you didn’t really have to write those +’s in this one.
In 2: Practically right too. Just write 1 + a instead of 1 + when you're not counting in a duplet. At the end of the last bar, that quaver isn’t equivalent to half a beat. Good work.

[HondoII]

Hmm...

The Rhythm 1, the last bar is REALLY weird because I don't really know how to start off counting a 16th note going into dotted 8th =/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/rhythmz1.jpg

I don't think I got the 'In 6' right, but the 'In 2' looks right to me (maybe not the lining up though =/)

[Trigger_003]

EDIT - forgot the link :rolleyes:: http://www.tdknights.com/trea/rhythm1(1).jpg
Except for the last bar, most of that exercise was right. Yeah, there were a few line up problems here and there, but hey, you seem to know what you're doing pretty well there. Just remember that:
1+a,2+a <- in 2
123 456 <- in 6
is how they line up. i.e. while counting in 2, just go off the numbers from "in 6"; not any of the +'s, a's or e's (from "in 6").

As for that last bar - sorry if this is confusing...

Alright, in 6/8 - when you are counting in 6 -
1 = eighth note
+ = sixteenth note
a/e = thirty-second note
Since there are no thirty-second notes, there shouldn't be an a or an e anywhere in there at all.

Ok. Once again, a technique to use is marking in the numbers before the ands. To work out where the numbers are, you can group the notes together to make up whole beats.
e.g. of the process:
At the start of the last bar there is a sixteenth note and then a dotted eighth note.
dotted eighth note = eighth + sixteenth.
dotted eighth note + sixteenth note = two whole beats (the beats being an eighth note each).
These notes combined make up your first two beats. The note following these two is therefore going to start on "3", so mark that in.
You also know that the first note in the bar is to be labelled "1". Since this note is half a beat (a sixteenth note), the note following it has to fall on the "+".
This note goes for a beat and a half (dotted eighth). The note starts being counted on a "+". To start the next note on "2" would make the note a sixteenth long. We want an extra quaver on top of that sixteenth though, so we have to count that in... hence the next note needs to begin on "3".

Here's another way of looking at it. This probably isn't a good process to use continually, I'm just trying to show you the relationship between the notes and the way they're counted, and how the relationships are affected when the sixteenth is there.

Imagine that that sixteenth note isn't there. In this case at least, those couple of notes will be a lot easier to count. Once you have the timing for the section worked out on Notepad - in the format shown below I guess - or something like that without the sixteenth note, add it to the start of the section. All the other notes will then be pushed forward by the space of an "and"... e.g.

1+2+3 .....<- the counting still remains the same
<__< .......<- this is what it would look like without the semiquaver at the start
<<__< ......<- with the semiquaver

See how the counting all moves along by half a beat?

Hopefully something in that made it clearer :thumb:.

[HondoII]

Just so ya know. I'm still here.

/still needs to read through your post.

/will give feedback in a few.

[Trigger_003]

It's all good man, take your time :).

[HondoII]

Oh wow. That actually makes perfect sense. (With the whole with and without semi quaver example)

It is getting somewhat easier now methinks.

I did another one. It's in 3/2 and 3/4. Now for the 3/4. I am not sure how to go about counting a dotted quarter note from memory. (I am pretty sure you mentioned it before on the previous page. I'll have to go back and look). But if I counted it incorrectly, then I am pretty sure part one of 3/4 is going to be all wrong.

3/2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/threetwo1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/threetwo2.jpg

3/4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/threefour1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/threefour2.jpg

Again, thanks a ton for any help that can be provided.

I was also curious, are there any good reference books that actually explain it the way you do? Or is it just something you picked up from school or something?

[Trigger_003]

I'm glad that made sense :).

I was also curious, are there any good reference books that actually explain it the way you do? Or is it just something you picked up from school or something?
Nah, I'm not taking this from any one or two books or anything; just explaining what I've learnt through various things like bands (concert/jazz ones in particular), trombone lessons, school, etc. Sure, I’ve used a range of books to learn things, but I don’t think there’s been a single one or two.

I hope I matched all these up with their descriptions properly :p.
http://tdknights.com/trea/threetwo1.jpg
Ok. Until you reached the triplets you were going fine. Maybe you should go over the bit I wrote on triplets again.
Perhaps it’s the actual identification of which note value you’re supposed to use though, so here’s a bit on that:
Group and/or divide the notes within the triplet so that there are three of the same value... e.g.
First triplet: half note and quarter note
A half note is the same as two quarter notes, meaning there are three crotchets
Second triplet: quarter, quarter, eighth, eighth.
Pair the two eighths together and you’ve got a quarter note, meaning there are – once again – three quarter notes within the triplet.

So for these two examples, the entire triplet lasts for the length of two quarter notes – i.e. a minim – i.e. one beat in this case.

I think I’ve said this before, but when you’re done, make sure to look it all over. In the last bar you ended up counting quarter notes as a beat, rather than half notes as you were supposed to. If you can notice things like that, you can back-track and usually realise whereabouts your errors were (even though you may not understand what you did wrong).

http://tdknights.com/trea/threetwo2.jpg
Just remember – you’re counting in half notes. You were swapping between quarter notes and half notes for some reason.

Yeah I'm sure covered the dotted notes deal a while back. If you need more help on it after reading that part again, let me know.
The second bar in particular was basically doing what I was talking about when the semiquaver moving everything along half a beat. Except, this time, it’s in terms of crotchets and minims.

http://tdknights.com/trea/threefour1.jpg
Once again, read over the dotted notes section.

http://tdknights.com/trea/threefour2.jpg
You didn’t try this because of the... dotted notes? Do you want to have a go at it now that the bar lines are in (and of course after you’ve gone over what I wrote on dotted notes)?

I think you went pretty well in those, despite the mistakes (which were mainly due to a single concept - the dotted notes - so that's pretty good) :thumb:.

[HondoII]

what happened to my response?

o_0

/posted a response like 2 days ago.

I'll have to do the 'threefour2' one again. Give me a minute and ill post it back up. (I do believe I understand the other ones, so this one should be right when I post it.)

here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/myka486/threefour2z.jpg

[Trigger_003]

:thumb: :)