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SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 08:23 PM
Check this s'hit out, yo. It's my first one, so be nice.
Joe Strummer
Born: August 21, 1952 in Ankara Turkey, Died 2002 in Somerset, England.
Bands:The Vultures, 101er's, The Clash, The Pogues, Mescaleros, and some solo work
Disocagraphy:
Mescaleros/Solo:
- Global A Go Go
- Rock Art & The X-Ray Style
- Walker
- Earthquake Weather
-Streetcore
Clash:
-The Clash
-Give Em' Enough Rope
-London Calling
-Sandinista
-Black Market Clash
-Combat Rock
-Cut The Crap
101'ers:
-Keys to Your Heart / 5 Star Rock & Roll Petrol
-Sweet Revenge / Rabies
-** LP ** Elgin Ave Breakdown
Vultures:
-Uhhh, none to my knowledge
Pogues:
-Produced Hell's Ditch
Soundtracks and Misc
- Grosse Point Blank
- Docteur Chance
- Permanent Record
- Straight To Hell
- Sid & Nancy
- When Pigs Fly
- Chef Aid
- Kicks Joy Darkness
- Free The Memphis 3
- Small World Big Band
- Theme To Black Hawk Down
Joe was born John Grahm Mellor in Ankara, Turkey in 1952 to a wealthy British diplomat. After being sent to a boarding in school in London, Joe as a teenager began to play folk and blues music along the streets of London under the assumed name Woody Mellor, presumably for his affection for Woody Guthrie and his music.
Joe finally decided "bollocks to this, I'll form a band" and The Vultures were born. Although they played only six gigs at student union events, they formed the basis for Joe's love for performing and his undoubtable stage presence.
Soon after The Vultures broke up, Joe formed "El Huaso and the 101 All Stars" which was later shortened to the 101'ers, named after the squat at 101 Walterton Road, Maida Vale. This band was more succesful than The Vultures, and were well established as an outstanding pub rock band. However, Joe became disillusioned with the Pub Rock scene, and shortly after seeing the Sex Pistols, broke up the band and began to look towards Punk as an inspiration.
Apparently, one day he was walking down the street and Mick Jones shouted that he thought the 101'ers were trash, then promptly asked Joe to join his band.
Thus, The Clash were born, after going through a few s'hitty names like The Heartdrops and Big Girl's Panties.
The Clash quickly became one of the biggest Punk bands around, and in their prime, were bigger than those f'ucks in the Pistols ever were.
Famous for their fiery performances and Joe's wild stage behavior, The Clash quickly got lumped in with the band that were "too dangerous" thus, leading to the expulsion of their concerts from many venues.
The Clash soon began expirementing with other forms of music, and although their later albums were stellar in terms of variety and musicianship, they began to get classified as sellouts, which led to their breakup in 1985.
After poncing about for a few years, Joe decided to get back into the music scene and recorded his first solo albums.
Later, he produced a Pogues album and even replaced Shane on one of their tours for a short bit.
For the majority of the 90's, Joe remained relatively quiet, releasing the occasional soundtrack song here and there, until 1999 when he released the excellent Rock, Art, and The X-Ray Style on Hell-cat records.
After that, he recorded the follow up, Global A Go-Go, which was another solid release to add to his career.
In the midst of recording the album Streetcore, Joe had a sudden heart failure in his Somerset home and sadly passed away on December 22nd, 2002.
EDIT:During Joe's career, he had outspoken socio-politcal views, and these often focused less on the happenings of the political world itself, but what was happening in the streets and slums of the globe, and tried his d'amnedest to inspire the poor and apathetic public to get off their a'sses and get a better future for themselves.
Also, in order to help further the progress of modern music, Joe's family and friends have launched Strummerville, Joe's foundation for new music, which gives rehearsal space and recording facilities to upcoming musicians around the world.
^Again, s'hitty, but it does it's job.
I'm just not very good at this
Recommended songs:
Mescaleros/solo-Johnny Appleseed, Get Down Moses, X-Ray Style, Yalla Yalla
Clash-Complete Control, White Riot, Janie Jones, Bankrobber, Magnificent Seven, London Calling
Any criticism/complaints is appreciated, because I want to know if I'm not the only one who thinks I did a s'hitty job.Thanks. :thumb:
sketchyjoe
02-19-2005, 08:26 PM
You could've gone into more detail about his time in The Clash but it was good.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 08:27 PM
I thought it was a bit Clash heavy, but I can see what you'e talking about.
Thanks.
EightMilesHigh
02-19-2005, 08:28 PM
That was pretty good. R.I.P. Joe :upset:
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 08:38 PM
I love pretty much everything Joe Strummer did.He was awesome.You didn't say anything about all his political views and the causes and all these stuff, and in my opinion, it was a big part of his life, but it was good anyway.
a week ago or so, they named a train after him.that's awesome. :D
RIP Joe.
PoisonParadox
02-19-2005, 08:39 PM
I'm reading Let Fury Have the Hour
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 08:40 PM
I love pretty much everything Joe Strummer did.He was awesome.You didn't say anything about all his political views and the causes and all these stuff, and in my opinion, it was a big part of his life, but it was good anyway.
a week ago or so, they named a train after him.that's awesome. :D
RIP Joe.
I was trying to focus on his musical career, not his political ethics, but I felt bad for leaving them out.
Perhaps an edit is in order...
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 08:42 PM
I'm reading Let Fury Have the Hour
is it good, cause i wanted to buy it, but i heard it wasn't that interesting...
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 08:43 PM
I was trying to focus on his musical career, not his political ethics, but I felt bad for leaving them out.
Perhaps an edit is in order...
yay!:D
PoisonParadox
02-19-2005, 08:44 PM
is it good, cause i wanted to buy it, but i heard it wasn't that interesting...
I haven't read a lot of it yet, but it's not that great so far
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 08:47 PM
The edit sucked, but I did it in a hurry, give me some time to rethink it so it'll be better.
I'm totally unprepared for this, report esque things were never my strong point.:upset:
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 08:57 PM
i think it's pretty good.you can't say how much Joe was great in a text, it's just impossible (the fan in me speaking)
even if his convictions were confused sometimes, it showed the world that you have to stand for what you believe in.and that's great.
and he wrote some of the greatest lyrics ever.
and i swear i've learned more about history listening to the clash and searching names and places and dates on internet cause i didn't understand the song, than in my history class.
sketchyjoe
02-19-2005, 09:01 PM
I thought it was a bit Clash heavy, but I can see what you'e talking about.
Thanks.
Its probably just because I know a lot about The Clash so anything less than a huge biography will seem sparse to me.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean, but I was trying to not focus on one band too much, so it ended up a little uneven in some parts, but it was my first one, so it wasn't a travesty of a biography or anything.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:32 PM
Oh man, no one's reading it.:upset:
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 09:41 PM
i read it :D
ahh okay.it won't cheer you up.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:42 PM
All of four people read it.
After all that work, and then nuthin'.
D'amnit.
El_Shiznit
02-19-2005, 09:44 PM
All of four people read it.
After all that work, and then nuthin'.
D'amnit.
Shutup bit'ch.
Go read some of the old band profiles from way back when. Back then, barely any responses came. You kids these days got no appreciation for what you got.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:45 PM
Still have more then mine.
I didn't expect many replies, but I'm needy and I felt like whining like a little bitch.
Sorry.
El_Shiznit
02-19-2005, 09:46 PM
That's right you little whippersnapper.
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:47 PM
Geezer.;)
Forest_Fire
02-19-2005, 09:55 PM
i thought it was decent. i dont like long profiles, i usually dont read all of them
i heart joe strummer and the clash so much my pants got all warm when i read this
(and ive only done one profile and it got only like 5 replies)
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 09:56 PM
The Clash were born, after going through a few s'hitty names like The Heartdrops and Big Girl's Panties.
i never heard of these names before and i read pretty much everything i can find about the clash.
these names are awful :lol:
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 09:58 PM
They were Bernie's doing.
What a f'uckin idiot.
Now I feel bad for being such an annoying little b'astard.
*shuffles feet* Sorry, guys.
closet_punk
02-19-2005, 10:08 PM
not bad
i couldn't do better
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 10:13 PM
do you guys remember your reaction when you heard he passed away? :upset:
closet_punk
02-19-2005, 10:15 PM
i was mad and pissy for about an hour
SlappedByTheClash
02-19-2005, 10:26 PM
I think I just sat staring at the computer for like 3 hours.
Then I totally f'ucking lost it, I was so sad.
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 10:44 PM
I remember I was watching plus sur commande (a ****ty live tv show on musique plus, the mtv from quebec) and one of the VJ was wearing a clash shirt, and the other one asked her if she was sad that Joe Strummer died and she smiled and said "Yeeeahhh, of course!look at my shirt!".An hard way to learn about a death, in my opinion.I didn't cry, I was just "blahh" and I didn't know what to feel, I couldn't believe it.It sounds gay and stupid, but Joe, his music and his lyrics really changed my life...If it wasnt for the clash, I'd probably still be afraid to say what's on my mind.I never really accepted that he died...I feel like I'm still waiting for the next Mescaleros album or whatever.I guess it's okay though, everybody will die someday.
closet_punk
02-19-2005, 10:47 PM
I remember I was watching plus sur commande (a ****ty live tv show on musique plus, the mtv from quebec) and one of the VJ was wearing a clash shirt, and the other one asked her if she was sad that Joe Strummer died and she smiled and said "Yeeeahhh, of course!look at my shirt!".An hard way to learn about a death, in my opinion.I didn't cry, I was just "blahh" and I didn't know what to feel, I couldn't believe it.It sounds gay and stupid, but Joe, his music and his lyrics really changed my life...If it wasnt for the clash, I'd probably still be afraid to say what's on my mind.I never really accepted that he died...I feel like I'm still waiting for the next Mescaleros album or whatever.I guess it's okay though, everybody will die someday.
it was and is the same way with me with johnny and joey
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 11:17 PM
when people that have contributed to the music as much as joe or johnny or joey die, it's hard to believe.in my head, they were immortals
CombatRock
02-19-2005, 11:21 PM
great job man..joe is my hero..you my friend get rep
Brain Toad
02-19-2005, 11:23 PM
Good profile. I didn't really know much about him when he died, so I didn't have much of a reaction. Same when Joey and Dee Dee died, I had no idea who they were. But when Johnny died I was hit pretty hard.
honkybrewster
02-19-2005, 11:27 PM
Geezer.;)
All these winks and eyebrow things are gonna turn shizzy gay.
Nice job on the profile.
Coma_Girl
02-19-2005, 11:35 PM
Good profile. I didn't really know much about him when he died, so I didn't have much of a reaction. Same when Joey and Dee Dee died, I had no idea who they were. But when Johnny died I was hit pretty hard.
for some reason, it reminds me of how i was talking about Joe with my english teacher, and he told me he was glad that his 8 years old son was into the clash, cause Joe is a good influence.It's crazy to see how a band can have an impact on 3 generations, and probably more.My dad used to hate Joe, but then, i forced him to listen to the mescaleros, and he loved that.Woah...it's really awesome, and I don't even knwo why i'm typing that right now.When I talk about the clash, I just go out of control. :upset:
honkybrewster
02-19-2005, 11:56 PM
It's because the Clash is awesome. It's understandable.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 12:00 AM
It's because the Clash is awesome. It's understandable.
:p they are.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 12:06 AM
yea the clashes/joes imput is so strong...it changed me so much, on how i view things
i just read this what i just typed, and relized that imput isnt a word...i meant to say impact
honkybrewster
02-20-2005, 12:08 AM
There's a pretty nice edit option for that. :thumb:
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 12:12 AM
yea the clashes/joes imput is so strong...it changed me so much, on how i view things
i just read this what i just typed, and relized that imput isnt a word...i meant to say impact
me too...and i don't even know exactly why.i guess it's not one song or one album, but just their whole attitude and political views and the way they had to always fight for something.okay, now i should shut up and go to sleep for real.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 12:18 AM
yea there message changed me so much, i use to be like a up tight conservative when i started listing to them, and there music and message just opend me up
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 12:21 AM
yea there message changed me so much, i use to be like a up tight conservative when i started listing to them, and there music and message just opend me up
yeah, i used to like only few music genres, now i listen to almost everything.i guess it's what they wanted, make people discover new stuff.just listen to the mescaleros...it's so different.
Pirate Satellite
02-20-2005, 12:44 AM
Awesome job. Joe Strummer's gonna live forever.
One minor detail, I think you left 'Streetcore' out of the discography, and it's pretty important. No fuss, though. Nice work.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 12:45 AM
yeah, i used to like only few music genres, now i listen to almost everything.i guess it's what they wanted, make people discover new stuff.just listen to the mescaleros...it's so different.
yea the mescaleros are preet awesome, i have some of there songs downloaded, i love joes version of redemption song, its the most beautiful thing i have ever heard
honkybrewster
02-20-2005, 12:50 AM
yea the mescaleros are preet awesome, i have some of there songs downloaded, i love joes version of redemption song, its the most beautiful thing i have ever heard
I saw the video for that one time on Vh1 Classic... It was pretty cool stuff.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 01:01 AM
the redemption song video is the saddest video ever.i cry everytime i watch it.the johnny appleseed video is fun though.it makes me smile a lot.
i never saw the coma girl and the yalla yalla video cause the epitaph website sucks, but anyway.
3 videos there: http://music.uk.launch.yahoo.com/ar-266220-videos--Joe-Strummer
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 01:05 AM
yea the mescaleros are preet awesome, i have some of there songs downloaded, i love joes version of redemption song, its the most beautiful thing i have ever heard
you should buy the cds
i bought all 3 of them, and even if they were kinda expensive, i don't regret at all.they're all good in their own way.and different from each other.
theramed toothpaste
02-20-2005, 06:06 AM
good job for a great guy
albert_bass
02-20-2005, 06:14 AM
Good job, I was expecting a larger profile though.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 10:09 AM
Good job, I just wish you didn't beat me to it.
SantaDuJuan
02-20-2005, 10:23 AM
I liked it.
dropkickstreetpunk
02-20-2005, 10:29 AM
that is an awesome profile. rep +. great job
sketchyjoe
02-20-2005, 11:04 AM
They were Bernie's doing.
What a f'uckin idiot.
Paul SImonon came up with the "The Clash"
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 11:27 AM
Yeah, I just like ragging on Bernie.
He made up the worst stuff for those guys to do.
And I didn't realize I left out Streetcore, I'll fix that right now.
AIRIC
02-20-2005, 12:17 PM
nice d00d
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 01:21 PM
Yeah, I just like ragging on Bernie.
He made up the worst stuff for those guys to do.
And I didn't realize I left out Streetcore, I'll fix that right now.
but at the same time, without bernie it wouldn't have been the same.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 01:22 PM
Yeah, he got them off the ground, but he was all about image.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 01:44 PM
i think it was bernie that was always saying something like "i gotta have complete control"...so without bernie, the song complete control wouldn't be exactly the same.
and rock the casbah.
now the king told the boogie men
you have to let that raga drop
inspired by bernie.well, i read that somewhere.
CDR_Cool
02-20-2005, 01:58 PM
Stummer didn't die, I'm actually him in disguise
excellent profile
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 02:09 PM
blasphème!
i dont know how to say that in english...but hmm...i'm sure you understand
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 02:09 PM
Stummer didn't die, I'm actually him in disguise
excellent profile
Propaganda and lies!
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 02:14 PM
oh well...i guess it's the english way to say it then.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 02:17 PM
Blasphemy.
Yours looked cooler though.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 08:02 PM
Joe directed a silent movie called Hell West 10, if you waqnt to add that.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 08:05 PM
He was in a couple of movies, I probably should include those.
Droogs_Dont_Run
02-20-2005, 08:10 PM
A mate of mine went to see Joe at the uni near mine just a couple of weeks before he died, when i heard the news he was dead it was the first time i cried over the death of a "celebrity" for want of a better word.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 08:49 PM
i think it was bernie that was always saying something like "i gotta have complete control"...so without bernie, the song complete control wouldn't be exactly the same.
and rock the casbah.
now the king told the boogie men
you have to let that raga drop
inspired by bernie.well, i read that somewhere.
You've seen Westway to the World, right?
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:00 PM
You've seen Westway to the World, right?
at least 80 times since I bought the dvd.when i'm bored i listen to it, it cheers me up.i love westway to the world... :D
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 09:13 PM
west way to the world is great..its werid to see them all old and stuff, specially mick. hes old and fat and bald....is there any other clash dvds besides westway to the world and essential clash
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:17 PM
at least 80 times since I bought the dvd.when i'm bored i listen to it, it cheers me up.i love westway to the world... :D
yea, best dvd I've ever bought.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:19 PM
when you watch westway to the world, the coolest part is the look in their eyes.you can see the moments they regrets and the moments that are good memories to them when they talk about it.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:19 PM
west way to the world is great..its werid to see them all old and stuff, specially mick. hes old and fat and bald....is there any other clash dvds besides westway to the world and essential clash
I think those are the only two, unless there are some European bootlegs out there. Yeah, Mick's teeth are all messed up and Topper looks like they took him straight out of rehab.
EDIT: I forgot about the dvd that came with the legacy edition of London Calling.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:20 PM
Topper's plain ugly.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:21 PM
when you watch westway to the world, the coolest part is the look in their eyes.you can see the moments they regrets and the moments that are good memories to them when they talk about it.
Yea, its kinda sad at the end when Paul is talking about him and Mick hating eachother and Joe being the medeator.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:22 PM
Topper's plain ugly.
Not even a mother could love that face.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:26 PM
I think it's kinda sad for topper though...he must have a lot of regrets and it must be hard to live with it.
is he still on drugs or is he doing better now?
EDIT: plus he looks like a little rat.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:28 PM
I'm don't think he's still on heroin, but it probably messed him up for life.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:30 PM
Heroin messes up everyone, he's lucky he hasn't died yet.
It sucks that Joe never did anything more than smoke or drink a little, and he died first.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:30 PM
regrets will kill him before heroin
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:32 PM
Heroin messes up everyone, he's lucky he hasn't died yet.
It sucks that Joe never did anything more than smoke or drink a little, and he died first.
doctors said he could have died a lot younger, so i guess we should say :it's cool he lived that long and wrote so much great music for us to listen to.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:32 PM
Topper>Gay A'ss Tory Crimes.
I hope Topper lives a while longer.
closet_punk
02-20-2005, 09:33 PM
Johnny didn't drink a lot either
or do drugs
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:34 PM
Johnny didn't drink a lot either
or do drugs
Johnny? The kid from the Outsiders?
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:35 PM
i hat ethe part in westway to the world where theres and interview with terry chimes.this guy sucks...it's funny when joe try to be nice and say "i guess he was a bit afraid by our...leftish, stalinist attitude...he just wanted to buy a lamborghini" or whatever.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 09:35 PM
Yea, its kinda sad at the end when Paul is talking about him and Mick hating eachother and Joe being the medeator.
yea, i got really sad at the end of that movie when paul was talking about that...its such a sad thing, does anyone know now if there friends or anythign of that nature
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:35 PM
Johnny? The kid from the Outsiders?
from the ramones?
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:37 PM
from the ramones?
From the hood?
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:37 PM
yea, i got really sad at the end of that movie when paul was talking about that...its such a sad thing, does anyone know now if there friends or anythign of that nature
i saw them together a couple of times for tv and magazines.i know joe and mick were friends again just before joe died...when i listen to streetcore sometimes, it feels like joe knew he would die soon...it breaks my heart each time
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:38 PM
Topper>Gay A'ss Tory Crimes.
I hope Topper lives a while longer.
Tory Chimes can suck an elephant's a'ss. Every time I see him in the live performance of Should I Stay or Should I Go on the Essential Clash dvd I want to chuck the remote at him. Plus, he destroyed the Beatles.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:39 PM
He also destroyed lamborghinis, from what I've heard.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 09:40 PM
i thought it was a ferrari
nonethe less hes a douche
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:41 PM
yea, i got really sad at the end of that movie when paul was talking about that...its such a sad thing, does anyone know now if there friends or anythign of that nature
I think they're friends now, because they both agreed to go on with the reunion at the rock n roll hall of fame thing, which never went on because of Joe :(.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:41 PM
He also destroyed lamborghinis, from what I've heard.
oh yeah?i don't know this story
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:42 PM
i saw them together a couple of times for tv and magazines.i know joe and mick were friends again just before joe died...when i listen to streetcore sometimes, it feels like joe knew he would die soon...it breaks my heart each time
Especially since he did a cover of Redemtion Song. RIP Joe :upset:
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:43 PM
I think they're friends now, because they both agreed to go on with the reunion at the rock n roll hall of fame thing, which never went on because of Joe :(.
at least, i'm happy they didn't play without joe.it would have suck A LOT.
sometimes i wonder if I would go, if theyd reformed without joe for a tour...i'd probably go and feel bad for the rest of my life
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Everyone that sings Redemption Song dies.
I am NEVER covering that song.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:43 PM
He also destroyed lamborghinis, from what I've heard.
An enemy of Lamborghinis is an enemy of mine.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 09:44 PM
that redemtion song is the best song ever , to me joe did a better version than bob
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Everyone that sings Redemption Song dies.
I am NEVER covering that song.
everyone that is introduced to the rock'n'roll hall of fame dies too.maybe just because they're old...but joey and joe werent old...so i dont know.
but it's such a good song.and a sad video.it makes me cry everytime...
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:46 PM
Yeah, but it was sweet to see Steve Buscemi in it though, cause he rocks.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:47 PM
at least, i'm happy they didn't play without joe.it would have suck A LOT.
sometimes i wonder if I would go, if theyd reformed without joe for a tour...i'd probably go and feel bad for the rest of my life
I would go, but I don't think they would call it the Clash without Joe. But I don't think I'd go if they replaced Joe, only if they played as a three-piece. I'd just want to hear Paul's bass shattering my eardrums.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:49 PM
that redemtion song is the best song ever , to me joe did a better version than bob
Absolutely. Not to take anything away from Bob, but something about Joes voice makes his cover better.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:49 PM
i'd probably cry for the whole time.i'm like a 12 years old girl when it comes to the clash
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:50 PM
Absolutely. Not to take anything away from Bob, but something about Joes voice makes his cover better.
the truth is that everything sounds better when it comes from Joe.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:52 PM
Joe= the greatest
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:53 PM
He could sing I'm A Slave 4 U and I'd still pay 10 bucks for the single.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:55 PM
what's the best book about the clash?
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:55 PM
He could sing I'm A Slave 4 U and I'd still pay 10 bucks for the single.
Yea, and that's really saying something because Cut the Crap> I'm a Slave 4 U.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:56 PM
what's the best book about the clash?
The only one I know of is The Last Gang in Town.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 09:57 PM
Any Clash fan worth his salt knows Cut The Crap never really existed, it was propaganda by CBS and Bernie Rhodes.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 09:57 PM
He could sing I'm A Slave 4 U and I'd still pay 10 bucks for the single.
i don't know if i could still respect him after that.probably, since i respect him more than my own parents
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Any Clash fan worth his salt knows Cut The Crap never really existed, it was propaganda by CBS and Bernie Rhodes.
It was a myth, they say.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:01 PM
what is this cut the crap you speak up
lol
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:01 PM
Yea, and that's really saying something because Cut the Crap> I'm a Slave 4 U.
oh no!he said cut the crap! :upset:
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 10:03 PM
what is this cut the crap you speak up
lol
:lol:
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:04 PM
Yeah, Combat Rock WAS their last album, don't let them fool you, those tricksy devils.
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 10:05 PM
oh no!he said cut the crap! :upset:
Cut the Crap is like the guy from Harry Potter. Its the-album-that-should-not-be-named.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:05 PM
does anyof yall own that..errr..album....
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:05 PM
:lol::lol:
guns_of_brixton
02-20-2005, 10:07 PM
does anyof yall own that..errr..album....
I don't. Didn't they have like 3 guitarists on it?
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:08 PM
Yeah, and one of them looked like the guy from Sum 41.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:08 PM
yea....horrible...i dont like thinking about it
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:11 PM
I love how this thread is like 4 people discussing the myth surrounding something named Cut The Crap.
Fantastic:thumb:
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:11 PM
does anyof yall own that..errr..album....
no, but my friend found a casette that belonged to her parents and gave it to me.i'm obsessed with the clash, so i listened to it once.and i still try to forget about it.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:12 PM
has anyone here..seen joe in person at like a gig or anything
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:13 PM
I saw the Mescaleros a few years ago, it was awesome.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:14 PM
you lucky bastard..what songs did they play
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:14 PM
I love how this thread is like 4 people discussing the myth surrounding something named Cut The Crap.
Fantastic:thumb:
i love this thread.for real.i love talking about the clash with real clash fans.and yesterday you were complaining that no one reply..look theres like 5 pages now!
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:14 PM
I recall they covered Rudi Can't Fail, and I almost shat my eyes out from joy.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:15 PM
i love this thread.for real.i love talking about the clash with real clash fans.and yesterday you were complaining that no one reply..look theres like 5 pages now!
I know, I've turned into quite the hot item here.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:16 PM
somone should make an offical joe/clash thread
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:16 PM
This is it.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:17 PM
the mescaleros came to montreal once, i wasnt into them at the time.now i regret...i feel so stupid.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:17 PM
yea, this thread shall never die
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:23 PM
i love the way joe was against stupid close-minded people.i try to be like that...but i think i fail at it. :upset:
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:25 PM
joe was a great guy, have you ever hear that story were joe hit a guy over the head with his telecaster
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Yeah, he meant to just tap him, but his head started bleeding like mad.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:29 PM
never heard of that :lol:
but i'm in love with his telecaster.what a nice guitar.i'd kill to play with it, even though i don't really know how to play guitar
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:29 PM
yea. i love that story....i read it in NME clash special issue its a preety cool magazine, anyone else here got it
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:30 PM
I bought that magazine 3 times already, they always rip.
They're like 10 bucks a pop too.:angry:
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:30 PM
never heard of that :lol:
but i'm in love with his telecaster.what a nice guitar.i'd kill to play with it, even though i don't really know how to play guitar
yea joes tele is legendary...its so beatup and scaratched up after all those years , its just as legendary as pauls smashed bass
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:34 PM
if this guitar could talk....i hope his family will never sell his tele.they already sold his car on ebay, and it made me sick, they sold the written portion of his driver exam or whatever...i don't think joe would have been too happy, since the money didnt even go to some cause.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:34 PM
That smashed bass is immortalized forever now.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:36 PM
i would sell my mother for it
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:36 PM
:lol:
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:38 PM
is thats bass with paul or in a museum?
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:40 PM
No idea, I'll Google it later.
I'm going to rename this thread Official Clash/Joe Strummer discussion thread, because that's what it's turned into.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:42 PM
well done ^^
and are you really 40 somthign years old.cos i was reading you profile and it says you were born in the 60's or is that joke
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:43 PM
Tis a joke, I'm 18 right now.
I couldn't be 40 and still in my senior year.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:45 PM
i gtg..i have school tomorrow..this thread still better be alive and well when i got back on tomorrow
later yall
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:46 PM
is thats bass with paul or in a museum?
it was at the rock'n'roll all of fame museum for a while, but now it's back to paul..which is good, though i'll never get to see it
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:47 PM
i gtg..i have school tomorrow..this thread still better be alive and well when i got back on tomorrow
later yall
Sucks, I managed to fenagle my way out of work tomorrow.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:50 PM
i know i should go to sleep...but this forum is a ****ing addiction
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:50 PM
Look at my post count and tell me I'm not addicted.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:50 PM
hah yea i said im getting off but this form is pulling me in
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:51 PM
we should all get a life....
nah...let's just make this thread an official clash thread, and we wont need a life.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:51 PM
For shame young man.
Sleep calls for you.
I'll try and keep this thread alive as long as possible for yous guys, but don't expect anything magical.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:52 PM
I tried to rename it Official Clash thread, but it doesn't seem to have worked.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:53 PM
us 3 are the only ones posting in this thread now..
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 10:54 PM
hah yea i said im getting off but this form is pulling me in
stay with us.
my friend gave me 2 clash posters for my birthday...(just to stay in the subject)....and theres one with Joe Strummer (1952-2002) written, and it makes me sad evertime i look at it, but it makes me smile at the same time...i love this poster.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:55 PM
I bought one of those Joe 1952-2002 shirts and wear it every Monday at school.
Everyone thinks I don't wash my clothes.:upset:
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:55 PM
i can never find any clash posters at stores were i live..did your friend order them online......
and whats yalls real name....coma and slappedbyclash?
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:56 PM
I bought one of those Joe 1952-2002 shirts and wear it every Monday at school.
Everyone thinks I don't wash my clothes.:upset:
so im guessing your wearing it tomorrow? lol
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:56 PM
I'm Steve.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:57 PM
Yup, Joe must be recognized.
And whatever El_Shizzy tells you, I am NOT Sid.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 10:58 PM
ooh..im travis.....i would have never guessed your steve telling by your uhh..whats that thing called below the sign in name?
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 10:58 PM
User Title.
I had to change it to prove I wasn't Sid.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 11:00 PM
I'm Andy...well, Andréanne, but it's a complicated name for all you little americains.yeah Andy!
my friend bought them in montreal, there's a lot of music stores there, and about 30 different posters...but i dont have space on my walls anymore.
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 11:02 PM
Andreanne, that's a cool name.
CombatRock
02-20-2005, 11:03 PM
awesome..
i really gotta go now past my bedtime (sarcasm)
later steve and andy
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 11:04 PM
See ya d00d.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 11:08 PM
i'm doing a research for my history class about "how the society of the early 70's influenced the punk rock movement" and that's awesome cause i get to talk about joe and the clash.
-steve: yeah it's a cool name, but when i go in the states or in ontario, people can't prononce it...
SlappedByTheClash
02-20-2005, 11:10 PM
Americans suck at pronounciation.
Coma_Girl
02-20-2005, 11:14 PM
i have a big ugly accent when i speak english.but my english teacher is cool.2 years ago i couldnt even understand something like "where's the bathroom".now i'm okay.but (and here come the clash-related thing) my teacher loves the clash a lot, and he was always talking to me about them and he forced me to answer him in english..so it's not that bad now...but when im tired, like now, i forget everything i know and use a really bad grammar.
EDIT: bed calling.
goodnight clash city rockers.
AndreTheHyena
02-21-2005, 08:17 AM
I'm Andy...well, Andréanne, but it's a complicated name for all you little americains.yeah Andy!
Awesome, we have the same name. Kind of.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 09:13 AM
I'm Andy...well, Andréanne, but it's a complicated name for all you little americains.yeah Andy!
my friend bought them in montreal, there's a lot of music stores there, and about 30 different posters...but i dont have space on my walls anymore.
Last year my p.e. tacher was named Andy, and he was awesome, so therefore you are awsome. :thumb:
AndreTheHyena
02-21-2005, 10:11 AM
And, therefore, I, too, am awesome.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 10:12 AM
yes
sketchyjoe
02-21-2005, 11:50 AM
I bought one of those Joe 1952-2002 shirts and wear it every Monday at school.
Everyone thinks I don't wash my clothes.:upset:
You wash your clothes? You're not allowed to be punk anymore.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 02:00 PM
since this is basicly a clash/joe thread ..i heard that the album super black market clash has allot of there reggae and dub stuff. is this true
AndreTheHyena
02-21-2005, 02:00 PM
Yes.
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 02:26 PM
You wash your clothes? You're not allowed to be punk anymore.
:upset:
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 02:57 PM
since this is basicly a clash/joe thread ..i heard that the album super black market clash has allot of there reggae and dub stuff. is this true
I think its all reggae except for one or two songs.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 03:03 PM
awesome im gunna have to pick it up, but not now, im spending all my money and a marley cd today after school
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 03:07 PM
Yea, here's the track listing
1. 1977
2. Listen
4. City Of The Dead
5. The Prisoner
6. Pressure Drop
7. 1-2 Crush On You
8. Groovy Times
9. Gates Of The West
10. Capital Radio Two
11. Time Is Tight
12. Justice Tonight/Kick It Open
13. Robber Dub
14. The Cool Out
15. Stop The World
16. The Magnificent Dance
17. Radio Clash
18. First Night Back In London
19. Long Time Jerk
20. Cool Confusion
21. Mustapha Dance
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 03:19 PM
whats capital radio 2? is that like the song captial radio?
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 03:21 PM
I'm not sure, I don't actually own the album, I've just heard most of it.
CDR_Cool
02-21-2005, 03:44 PM
I remember watching this movie with the Clash in it called Rude Boy over x-mas break. it was cool, it was from like 1978 i believe.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 03:49 PM
I've never seen Rude Boy, but I heard the acting was pretty bad.
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 03:58 PM
i want to see rude boy, but i can't find it anywhere...yeah i could buy it on ebay but...i dont feel like buying it on ebay.
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 04:00 PM
Last year my p.e. tacher was named Andy, and he was awesome, so therefore you are awsome. :thumb:
i am.but i'm a girl, so i'm 10x more awesome
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 04:10 PM
i am.but i'm a girl, so i'm 10x more awesome
:thumb:
Forest_Fire
02-21-2005, 04:10 PM
Yea, here's the track listing
1. 1977
2. Listen
4. City Of The Dead
5. The Prisoner
6. Pressure Drop
7. 1-2 Crush On You
8. Groovy Times
9. Gates Of The West
10. Capital Radio Two
11. Time Is Tight
12. Justice Tonight/Kick It Open
13. Robber Dub
14. The Cool Out
15. Stop The World
16. The Magnificent Dance
17. Radio Clash
18. First Night Back In London
19. Long Time Jerk
20. Cool Confusion
21. Mustapha Dance
Toots ans the Maytals cover? If so, i must hear it. On of my favourite early punk bands covering one of my favourite ska bands
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 04:11 PM
Yea, the Clash's cover is as good if not better.
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 04:15 PM
i remember my first post ever on this forum, and it was about the clash.and i remember that travis rep+ me.ahhh anyway.
what's your favorite clash songs and your favorite mescaleros song guys?
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 04:26 PM
My favorite Mescaleros songs are-
Redemption Song (even though it was just Joe)
Silver and Gold
As far as picking a favorite Clash song, I have to set a limit or else I'll end up listing every single on. I'll pick 5.
Death or Glory
Complete Control
The Guns of Brixton
Rudie Can't Fail
White Man in Hammersmith Palais
wow, that was hard.
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 04:35 PM
I remember watching this movie with the Clash in it called Rude Boy over x-mas break. it was cool, it was from like 1978 i believe.
your llama is hot. :naughty:
my favorite mescaleros songs are:
yalla yalla
tony adams
johnny appleseed
bhindi bhagee
shaktar donetsk
get down moses
ramshackle day parade
redemption song
burnin' streets
(hmm....i really really can't choose)
clash:
straight to hell
magnificent 7
white riot
complete control
koka kola
clampdown
guns of brixton
i'm so bored with the usa
lost in the supermarket
rudie can't fail
(i can't choose...it hurts :upset: )
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 04:37 PM
yea, it was hard for me to leave Straight to Hell, Magnificent 7, and Police and Theives out.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 05:24 PM
mescalors song would be coma girl great song
clash. i dont know were to start
my fav punkish clash song is captial radio and whats my name
my fav reggaish clash song would be bankrobber, guns of brixton
my fav overall clash song is clamdown
hey andy do you have msn?
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 05:31 PM
mescalors song would be coma girl great song
clash. i dont know were to start
my fav punkish clash song is captial radio and whats my name
my fav reggaish clash song would be bankrobber, guns of brixton
my fav overall clash song is clamdown
hey andy do you have msn?
my email is on my user profil.
i love the lyrics of clampdown...they're just so great....like a lot of lyrics joe wrote.i cant say i love the lyrics mick jones wrote
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 05:34 PM
so you do have msn?
yea but at the very beginning of clampdown what is joe saying, i can never understand..not the lyrics just him talking ..
stay free is a great song by mick
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 05:39 PM
yeah, i have msn.
i don't know...i don't understand either.my french ears are not use to the british accent....or any other english accent...
TheNowhereman42
02-21-2005, 05:40 PM
joeyjoeyjoeyjoeyjoey
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 05:45 PM
How can you guys not have said the cover of Armagideon Time as one of your favorite Clash Songs?
It's so f'ucking good. Topper really shone on that song.
You guys are such posers.:rolleyes:
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 05:47 PM
yeah, i have msn.
i don't know...i don't understand either.my french ears are not use to the british accent....or any other english accent...
ohh i addedd you
my english ears cant understand his brittish accent...on times when there talking i really cant understand what there saying.so im glad theres is lyrics and subtitles
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 05:52 PM
A lot of people won't get no supper tonight...
A lot of people won't get no justice tonight...
I LOVE that song.
Reggae is just so cool, especially as done by a punk band.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 05:55 PM
yea i love the orginal version of armeggeadeon time..
steve, do you know know the beginning lyrics to clampdown, when joe is just talking
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Ehhh...Hold up, I'll have to check.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:05 PM
i dont think any lyric sights have it posted, if thats what your looking at
TheNowhereman42
02-21-2005, 06:12 PM
http://www.nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=133&totalRows_Recordset2=213
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 06:17 PM
awww :upset:
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:19 PM
http://www.nothingnice.com/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=133&totalRows_Recordset2=213
ha ha ?
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:21 PM
A lot of people won't get no supper tonight...
A lot of people won't get no justice tonight...
I LOVE that song.
Reggae is just so cool, especially as done by a punk band.
The original isn't as good as the Clash's, and its alot different.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:26 PM
i have only heard the orignal version never clash's..and i loove the orginal..but who sings it, i heard it off of grandtheftauto san andreas on k jah
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:32 PM
Yea thats where I heard the original of Pressure Drop.
TheNowhereman42
02-21-2005, 06:35 PM
haha yeah, they have a different version of Pressure Drop, that The Specials did (origionaly or as a cover, I'm not sure)
I know I recently heard a weird version of an old Clash song on a movie preveiw or something.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:39 PM
I've heard alot of awful Clash covers.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:40 PM
london calling is on that amanda bynes movie
and on this anglian jolie movie... theres a band and there playing should i stay or should i go
SantaDuJuan
02-21-2005, 06:43 PM
haha yeah, they have a different version of Pressure Drop, that The Specials did (origionaly or as a cover, I'm not sure)
I know I recently heard a weird version of an old Clash song on a movie preveiw or something.
Fool Toots and Maytals made that great great song!
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:44 PM
london calling is on that amanda bynes movie
:lol:
What's the movie called?
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:45 PM
uuh.. what a girl wants i htink?
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:49 PM
ha, i bet that fit the movie perfectly :rolleyes:
SantaDuJuan
02-21-2005, 06:49 PM
That movie was cheezy.
Sleepover beats all girl oriented teen movies.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:53 PM
aren't we forgetting mean girls? genius.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 06:55 PM
how did we get on the subject on preteen girl flicks haha
SantaDuJuan
02-21-2005, 06:55 PM
No, that was a good as Cat Woman.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 06:56 PM
Catwoman was terrible.
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 07:00 PM
I can't understand what the hell Joe's saying in Clampdown, sorry guys.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:04 PM
neither can i all i can hear is him say DAYSIDE
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 07:05 PM
I can pick out a few words, but most of it sounds like gibberish.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:06 PM
no, it sounds like brittish
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:06 PM
I'm not even sure if Joe knows what he's saying.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:07 PM
I can pick out something like "a face in the crowd"
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 07:08 PM
Joe just sounded like he was drunk all the time, he always slurred.
I need to talk like that.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:11 PM
and on the live video of clampdown and train in vain what is he talkinga bout...somthign about a toliet "if you dont wanna come theres always a toliet"
TheNowhereman42
02-21-2005, 07:13 PM
That movie was cheezy.
Sleepover beats all girl oriented teen movies.
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TheNowhereman42
02-21-2005, 07:13 PM
Joe just sounded like he was drunk all the time, he always slurred.
I need to talk like that.
start drinking I guess
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:14 PM
If you have The Story of the Clash, the first few minutes of Capital Radio is an interview, and its completely incoherrent, except for when Mick talks.
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:29 PM
is it the same version as the one on essential clash
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 07:30 PM
people who dont even know what they're saying are awesome
joe is awesome.and funny.and great...and i dont think hed be happy to know what i think about him, he was so modest
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:32 PM
is it the same version as the one on essential clash
I'm not sure, I only have the essential clash dvd, not the cd.
Forest_Fire
02-21-2005, 07:35 PM
is the dvd good?
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:35 PM
oh, then can you tell me what joe is talking about on the beginning of clampdown and the beginning of train in vain before the songs starts
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:38 PM
is the dvd good?
the dvd shows
live:
london calling
white riot
londons burnign
1977
complete control
carrear opprotuintes
should i stay or should i go
i fought the law
clampdown
train in vain
the videos of:
bankrobber
call up
radio clash
rock the casbah
tommygun
and a movie made by joe strummer
and an interview with the band
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:40 PM
oh, then can you tell me what joe is talking about on the beginning of clampdown and the beginning of train in vain before the songs starts
Before Clampdown he says something about the army, like sending in tanks or something.
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 07:40 PM
I haven't bought that yet, I'm so ashamed:upset:
Hey, we're like 50 posts away from being bigger than the Ska Education/Discussion thread.
I've created a monster.
guns_of_brixton
02-21-2005, 07:45 PM
I haven't bought that yet, I'm so ashamed:upset:
Hey, we're like 50 posts away from being bigger than the Ska Education/Discussion thread.
I've created a monster.
One day we shall conquer the Community Thread.
SlappedByTheClash
02-21-2005, 07:46 PM
I don't think the Community thread is ever going down, solely because I spam in there continuosly.
That's where I get a majority of my post count.
Coma_Girl
02-21-2005, 07:47 PM
http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/sommaire.htm
i'm pretty sure everybody know about that website, but it's awesome.there's so much pictures of the clash there...it's just crazy
CombatRock
02-21-2005, 07:48 PM
isnt that , that one site thats in spanish or somthing
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