The Official Clash & Joe Strummer Thread

[Coma_Girl]

i know he puked on buddy holly's grave :p and he sold his drum on ebay 2 moths ago.

[guns_of_brixton]

Somebody told me that Topper wrote the bassline for Rock the Casbah. Does anybody know if this is true? Also, did the Clash ever play Rock the Casbah live? By that time Topper was gone, so somebody else would need to play the piano part, because we all know Terry Chimes sucks.

[Coma_Girl]

topper wrote rock the casbah, but not the lyrics.

in the video of rock the casbah, its the gay lamborghini guy playing drums, and thats why we dont see him much...it was toppers song.it sucks that the gay lamborghini guy was on the video and not topper.IT WAS HIS SONG!

[CombatRock]

topper wrote the whole song

[CombatRock]

topper wrote rock the casbah, but not the lyrics.

in the video of rock the casbah, its the gay lamborghini guy playing drums, and thats why we dont see him much...it was topper song's.it sucks that the gay lamborghini guy was on the video and not topper.IT WAS HIS SONG!

are you sure topper didn right the lyrics?

[Coma_Girl]

sure.maybe he helped joe a bit, but I'm pretty sure ive read somewhere that Joe wrote the lines now the king told the boogie man, you gotta let that ragga drop..because Rhodes didnt like the music.

and listen to it.it's joe's writing style.

[Forest_Fire]

I thought he wrote the whole thing too

[Coma_Girl]

maybe.you cant really trust me on that anyway.i say: let's search who wrote the lyrics and the first who find the answer will be the Joe Strummer's thread king!

[guns_of_brixton]

topper wrote the whole song

Cool, I wasn't sure. I'm glad they only showed about 20 seconds of the Lamborghini Guy in Westway.

And what was the name of that one guy that was originally another guitarist in the Clash? I think it was Vince. You know, the guy that Paul said took his rehersal spot.

Rehearsal Rehearsals :lol:!

[Coma_Girl]

keith levine...or something like that

[guns_of_brixton]

Yeah, Keith Levine.

I can't stop laughing about rehearsal rehearsals :lol:.

[CombatRock]

that would be cool to go to rehersal rehersals..what part of london is it at

[Forest_Fire]

:(


/doesn't get it

[guns_of_brixton]

Joe Strummer wrote the lyrics about an Arab ruler (the Shereef) who hates music, but is defied by the citizens and even his own air force. Strummer was inspired by a news report of Iranians who were flogged for owning Disco albums. (thanks, Edward Pearce - Ashford, Kent, England)
Clash Drummer Topper Headon wrote the music. Headon left the group shortly after this was released because of his heroin addiction. He was replaced by Tory Crimes, who was the original drummer for The Clash.
This was The Clash's biggest United States hit and along with "Train In Vain," one of only 2 that reached the Top 40. They had several Top 40 hits in England.
In the UK this single was backed by "Long Time Jerk." That song cannot be found anywhere else.

Here it is, folks.

[Coma_Girl]

maybe cause y english is lame, but i dont get what is so funny about rehearsal rehersals.but i know mick think it sounds liek a jewish thing

[guns_of_brixton]

that would be cool to go to rehersal rehersals..what part of london is it at

I'm not sure, but I'd love to go.

And to Dustin, its where the Clash rehearsed in their early days. Mick thought it was a Jewish thing, and he was talking about it in Westway.

[Coma_Girl]

Here it is, folks.
sean!you're the king!

i told you it was joe writing style..suckers :p

[guns_of_brixton]

maybe cause y english is lame, but i dont get what is so funny about rehearsal rehersals.but i know mick think it sounds liek a jewish thing

Its just kind of funny to me since I'm a Jew :amaze:.

[CombatRock]

mick is jewish...?

if were talkign about religon..was anyone in the clash chrisitan..athesit..what were there belifs?

[Coma_Girl]

i didnt know mick was a jew...are you sure?

edit: i dont why i said 'was' cause he's not dead...yet.

[guns_of_brixton]

sean!you're the king!

i told you it was joe writing style..suckers :p

No you're the queen, I'm just a Clash whore :D.

But the part about Joe writing it about Iranians isn't entirely true, it had alot more to do with Bernie.

[guns_of_brixton]

Ok guys, I've got a game. Whoever can find out who Mickey Gallagher was and what he had to do with the Clash gets 10 points. Ready, go!

[CombatRock]

he helped out on some clash cds..like on sandiniasta with other instruments

[White Riot!]

he was a keyboardist they hired for the us tour

[guns_of_brixton]

i didnt know mick was a jew...are you sure?

edit: i dont why i said 'was' cause he's not dead...yet.

I don't think he was, since he said he thought it was Jewish thing, so he probably wasn't a Jew.

And Travis is correct! 10 points :thumb:.

And I also read this, and its one of the saddest things I've ever read because it makes me think of Joe :upset:.

Clash members Mick Jones and Joe Strummer played White Riot together for the last time in November, 2002. Jones was in the audience for one of Strummer's solo shows and came onstage to join him. Strummer usually didn't like to play this, but he turned to Jones and said, "This one's in 'A', you know it." Strummer died of a heart attack a month later.

EDIT: White Riot! is also correct.

[CombatRock]

that was a good passage sean...

none anserwed my questions though

what were the clash religous belifs

[guns_of_brixton]

Just a guess, but they were probably all born Christian, but were never very religous.

[CombatRock]

no one has offical infromation on this?

[White Riot!]

I heard Mick's song "MP FREE" from his new band carbon/silicon. it reflects Mick's view about P2P filesharing. Mick believes that people should be free to rip, mix and burn music and encourages fans to record and distribute gig recordings.

[guns_of_brixton]

I'll search for some info.

But in the meantime, I noticed that in Police and Thieves, Joe added "THey're goin' through a tight wind" which is a line from the Ramones song Blitzkreig Bop. I think it might be some sort of a tribute, because on Westway Joe was saying how much he loved the Ramones 1st album.

[guns_of_brixton]

I heard Mick's song "MP FREE" from his new band carbon/silicon. it reflects Mick's view about P2P filesharing. Mick believes that people should be free to rip, mix and burn music and encourages fans to record and distribute gig recordings.

This definetly makes sense, since they had the prices of London Calling and Sandinsita lowered.

And as for religon, none of the sites I found said anything, One site said they weren't sure about Joe, though.

[CombatRock]

I heard Mick's song "MP FREE" from his new band carbon/silicon. it reflects Mick's view about P2P filesharing. Mick believes that people should be free to rip, mix and burn music and encourages fans to record and distribute gig recordings.


woah thats preety badass of mick..is his new band good?

[guns_of_brixton]

I've been wanting to check them out.

[CombatRock]

i would download a song buy them but i dont have a downloading softare

[White Riot!]

Here's The Lyrics

MP.FREE

i believe in MP3
i believe in P2P
i just burnt my own CD
the day the music was free......
in the 21st century - the day the music was free!....

I believe in P 2 P..............supersharers...
A billion downloads can1t be wrong...
A billion people heard my song....
So, Goodbye Mr Copyright...
the fame will keep me up all night..

I just surfed right down your street
sampled your tune, borrowed your beat
that's the way the bytes go round
they make the revolution sound...

Shakespeare, Michael Angelo
Had no corporation Hos
Def to majors, their lawyers suck
Now people don't give a ****!

in the 21st century -
the day the music was free!....


Mick is a great guy too!

[Scabies]

I heard Mick's song "MP FREE" from his new band carbon/silicon. it reflects Mick's view about P2P filesharing. Mick believes that people should be free to rip, mix and burn music and encourages fans to record and distribute gig recordings.

Yeah i saw them last week, one of there shirts has all the website addresses for the p2ps on the back of it.

[guns_of_brixton]

Yea, all of the guys in the Clash just wanted people to hear their music.

[CombatRock]

that MP FREE..what style of music is it?

[guns_of_brixton]

I haven't heard it, but I'm sure White Riot! knows.

[CombatRock]

hey white riot , what does mp free sound like?

[xxGumbyxx]

I just read through all 62 pages.





....wow

[CombatRock]

impressed?

[xxGumbyxx]

yes.

Even though I wasn't posting, I feel like a part of the Joe Strummer Thread family.

[CombatRock]

sweet..your avatar is cool join the family (only like 5 of us)

[closet_punk]

is it like i believe in anarchy?like a parody kind of?

[xxGumbyxx]

I think I shall.



Do we get T-shirts?

[Coma_Girl]

MP.FREE

i believe in MP3
i believe in P2P
i just burnt my own CD
the day the music was free......
in the 21st century - the day the music was free!....

I believe in P 2 P..............supersharers...
A billion downloads can1t be wrong...
A billion people heard my song....
So, Goodbye Mr Copyright...
the fame will keep me up all night..

I just surfed right down your street
sampled your tune, borrowed your beat
that's the way the bytes go round
they make the revolution sound...

Shakespeare, Michael Angelo
Had no corporation Hos
Def to majors, their lawyers suck
Now people don't give a ****!

in the 21st century -
the day the music was free!....




for some reason, this song always sounded really sarcastic to me.


ohhh and Gumby...you really read the whole thread?you're awesome.welcome dude :amaze:

[sketchyjoe]

The lyrics do seem very trite.

[CombatRock]

somone listen to this song and tell us about it!

[sketchyjoe]

Why are you raving about it? Those lyrics are pretty terrible.

**** rhymed with suck? WOW! He's a revolutionary!

[Forest_Fire]

This is why it's the Joe Strummer thread. Not the Mick Jones thread

[guns_of_brixton]

This is why it's the Joe Strummer thread. Not the Mick Jones thread

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Joe>Paul>Mick>Topper>all other bands>pile of crap>Lamborghini guy

[Jessizzle]

Sweeeet. one of my friends who used to like the clash, just said he can give me a bunch of their albums.

[White Riot!]

Strummer was a goof sometimes! He used to climb his neighbours fences to swim in their pools and johnny cash was recording at one of his neighbours studio's at the time and joe saw him and decided to greet mr cash , even though he didnt know him.

How cool is that!

[guns_of_brixton]

Sweeeet. one of my friends who used to like the clash, just said he can give me a bunch of their albums.

Score!

Strummer was a goof sometimes! He used to climb his neighbours fences to swim in their pools and johnny cash was recording at one of his neighbours studio's at the time and joe saw him and decided to greet mr cash , even though he didnt know him.

How cool is that!

Yea, Joe had a great sense of humor. That helped the Clash stay together.

[White Riot!]

Another funny thing he did was writing lyrics on pizzaboxes and toilet paper!

[guns_of_brixton]

:lol:

You know about the car lighting on fire, right?

[White Riot!]

hell yeah!


on the subject of cars , how cool is his vintage rock and roll caddillacs?

[guns_of_brixton]

Joe's Cadillacs was sweet, but after he died somebody sold one of them. At the menu of the Essential Clash dvd, it shows the Clash riding around in one of Joe's Cadillacs.

[GhettoBox]

hell yeah!


on the subject of cars , how cool is his vintage rock and roll caddillacs?
Is that why Tim Armstrong has a cadillac in the Transplants cover? BEcause of his obsession with Joe Strummer?

[Coma_Girl]

He used to climb his neighbours fences to swim in their pools
i do that all the time, but i'm not as cool as joe

[Coma_Girl]

Joe's Cadillacs was sweet, but after he died somebody sold one of them. At the menu of the Essential Clash dvd, it shows the Clash riding around in one of Joe's Cadillacs.
and it was the one that was supposed to go to his older daughter but they didnt have the money to ship it from california to somerset...or they just didnt want to pay that much.
And some greedy bastard made profits of joe's death and it sucks :angry: he could have gave the money to strummerville...but he didnt
Joe is rolling in his grave now, the bastard sold old contraventions and the car was coming with an old cigarettes pack, and he also sold joes liscences.
what a moron.

[White Riot!]

isnt the name of his daughter Jazz Mellor or something?

[Coma_Girl]

one is called jazz, one is called lola and i forget the other one.i think its just his step daughter or something anyway.Jazz...awesome name.I'll call my kids Ska and Punk :cool:

[guns_of_brixton]

one is called jazz, one is called lola and i forget the other one.i think its just his step daughter or something anyway.Jazz...awesome name.I'll call my kids Ska and Punk :cool:

:cool:

The guy who sold Joe's Cadillac is as bad as the Lamborghini guy :mad: .

And GhettoBox, what song did the Transplants cover?

[CombatRock]

Sweeeet. one of my friends who used to like the clash, just said he can give me a bunch of their albums.
what albums?

[xxGumbyxx]

I think someone was asking about this earlier in the thread, but you can get a copy of the Rude Boy movie at Interpunk.com.

They only have it in VHS though.

[Forest_Fire]

That sucks.

I found the essential clash dvd yesterday, but I didn't have enough money to buy it. They also had the aquabats dvd, which I also really wanted. :upset: I'm going to have to save up and go back to that store

[sketchyjoe]

I think someone was asking about this earlier in the thread, but you can get a copy of the Rude Boy movie at Interpunk.com.

They only have it in VHS though.
I saw a DVD of it in my local HMV.

[Coma_Girl]

The guy who sold Joe's Cadillac is as bad as the Lamborghini guy :mad: .
he's even worst.

[CombatRock]

know one has seen rudy boy here right?

[Coma_Girl]

is mick the only one with a new project?

[Scabies]

know one has seen rudy boy here right?

i haveeeeeeee, its crap

[CombatRock]

is mick the only one with a new project?

yeap...........(i could be wrong..)

and to the dude who seen rude boy..why does it suck so bad?

[sketchyjoe]

Films based on bands are usually rubbish. Expecially when they tack a crappy story on to a few live shows.

[Scabies]

they tack a crappy story on to a few live shows.

that should answer the other guys question

[guns_of_brixton]

The "I Fought the Law" performance from Rude Boy is good.

[guns_of_brixton]

Has anyone noticed that at the second half of Safe European Home Joe is saying something like "Rudy can't fail!"? Kind of weired since London Calling came out after GEER.

[CombatRock]

yea..i have noticed that but i never though about that GEER came out before Lodon calling

[guns_of_brixton]

Yea, GEER was 1978 and London Calling was 1979, but I'm sure you already knew that.

[Coma_Girl]

i went in the states yesterday and i went to this really huge book store near my hotel....and i bought let fury have the hour: punk rock politics of joe strummer. :D

[CombatRock]

sweet i was going to get that at barnes and nobles but instead got one of there cds....what part of usa were you in andy?

[Coma_Girl]

barnes and nobles
that's where i got it.i love reading and it was crazy to go there...we dont have big book stores like that here.i ended up buying only one book, but i sat on the floor and started to read england's dreaming and a book on eliott smith.

burlington, vermont.

[Forest_Fire]

vermont, the state that makes new hampshire nervous



That Rudy Can't Fail thing is weird. I never really knew that that Safe European Home came out before Rudy Can't Fail

[CombatRock]

that's where i got it.i love reading and it was crazy to go there...we dont have big book stores like that here.i ended up buying only one book, but i sat on the floor and started to read england's dreaming and a book on eliott smith.

burlington, vermont.

whose eliott smith

[Coma_Girl]

i never noticed the rudie cant fail thing.

[guns_of_brixton]

i went in the states yesterday and i went to this really huge book store near my hotel....and i bought let fury have the hour: punk rock politics of joe strummer. :D

:cool:

Tell us how it is when you're done.

[CombatRock]

i wish i got that book..but i really dont like reading..i dont have the attention span...and i remember the book being big (if its the same one andy is talknga bout)

does it have pics?

[sketchyjoe]

London calling is in Billy Elliot.

[CombatRock]

but whats billy elliott

[sketchyjoe]

A crappy film about a ballet dancing boy in the north of england during the mid-80s miners strike.

[guns_of_brixton]

I thought you were asking about Elliot Smith :confused:.

[CombatRock]

i saw a clash song on a commerical recently..but i dont remember what commercial it was..help me out anyone?

[guns_of_brixton]

Was it a car commercial, like Pontiac or Cadillac?

[CombatRock]

yea im preety sure it was a car commerical..i thought it was "cute"

[Anxious]

this should be renamed: The Clash Whores Community Thread.

[guns_of_brixton]

YES

And your avatar confused me :confused:.

[guns_of_brixton]

yea im preety sure it was a car commerical..i thought it was "cute"

The song was Should I Stay or Should I gO, right?

[Anxious]

And your avatar confused me :confused:.
just doin my job

[Forest_Fire]

The song was Should I Stay or Should I gO, right?

yeah, it is

[Coma_Girl]

I thought you were asking about Elliot Smith :confused:.

huh...i think we confused travis.

billy eliott...is a movie

eliott smith...is a musician who commited suicide.

[Coma_Girl]

The song was Should I Stay or Should I gO, right?
i dont think that should i stay or should i go playing in a car commercial is cute in any way.

[Forest_Fire]

i dont think that should i stay or should i go playing in a car commercial is cute in any way.

definatley not "cute". Who would have let them do that anyway?

[CombatRock]

huh...i think we confused travis.

billy eliott...is a movie

eliott smith...is a musician who commited suicide.

yes yall confused me...

and btw..i meant cute in a sarcastic way...and ims ure it was either mick or paul who let them use it since topper wasnt in the band when should i stay or should i go came out

[IMONXTC]

anybody else love "Car Jamming" for newer Clash stuff? how about "Junco Partner" or "Up In Heaven (Not Only Here)"...just making conversation...

[CombatRock]

i havent heard the clash "newer" stuff (even though its about 20 years old)..but rock the casbah and know your rights is the only stuff iheard from combat rock..and i love it

[white_riot]

Know your rights is an awesome song. i love the start of the song. have you seen the video for rock the casbah it's pretty cool.

[CombatRock]

yea..i dont get the part with the 2 middle eastern dudes going to burger king..explain ?

[guns_of_brixton]

I've heard all of Combat Rock and most of Sandinista. And to White Riot, Know your Rights is such an awesome song. "This is a public service announcement... with guitars!" As I said before, its an awesome way to start the album.

My favorite part of the Rock the Casbah video is the Jews and Middle Eastern dudes hanging out because its pretty ironic considering Israel and Palistine are at war.

And to Travis, I'm not sure about the Middle Eastern guys going to Burger King, and also, sorry about confusing you :wave:.

[CombatRock]

sandinista and combat rock are the only cds i havent listend to all the songs on

[guns_of_brixton]

Yea, I've heard most of Sandinista. "Charlie don't Surf" is a great song.

[white_riot]

I haven't heard much of Sandinista. the only songs i have heard are charlie dont surf and magnificent seven.

[Forest_Fire]

I don't remember if I heard it in this thread, or from one of my friends, so I'll ask anyway. Did the clash cover Louie Louie? Becuase I remember hearing that they did and Joe was really messed up when they recorded it, so the only lyrics he could remember were "Louie, Louie"

[Coma_Girl]

i havent heard the clash "newer" stuff (even though its about 20 years old)..but rock the casbah and know your rights is the only stuff iheard from combat rock..and i love it
nah, it's all about straight to hell.one of my favorite song in the world...joe's voice is just amazing.

(i've read half of the let fury have the hour book so far and its really good)

[Coma_Girl]

I don't remember if I heard it in this thread, or from one of my friends, so I'll ask anyway. Did the clash cover Louie Louie? Becuase I remember hearing that they did and Joe was really messed up when they recorded it, so the only lyrics he could remember were "Louie, Louie"
i have the cover somewhere on my computer.

[sketchyjoe]

I don't remember if I heard it in this thread, or from one of my friends, so I'll ask anyway. Did the clash cover Louie Louie? Becuase I remember hearing that they did and Joe was really messed up when they recorded it, so the only lyrics he could remember were "Louie, Louie"
The only lyrics anyone knows to that song are "Louie, Louie"

[guns_of_brixton]

On the Last Testament dvd the Clash do a cover of Louie Louie with Topper on guitar and Guy Stevens or Bill Price (one of those guys) playing drums. And basically the only lyrics to that song are "Louie Louie".

[Silvermedalmafia]

I'm pretty sure those are the only lyrics to the song. But they are like shampoo, repeat as necessary

[guns_of_brixton]

It has a guitar solo if I remember correctly.

[Forest_Fire]

I believe the black flag version has more lyrics

EDIT: Black Flag "Louie Louie" lyrics:

Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
You know the pain, that's in my heart,
it just shows, I'm not very smart.
Who needs love, when you've got a gun?
Who needs love, to have any fun?
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go!
Said, now screwie Louie!
We gotta go.
Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go!

[guns_of_brixton]

I must hear the Black Flag version.

[Forest_Fire]

Go buy The First Four Years. You won't be dissappointed

[guns_of_brixton]

I must buy it then.

[sketchyjoe]

I believe the black flag version has more lyrics

EDIT: Black Flag "Louie Louie" lyrics:

Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
You know the pain, that's in my heart,
it just shows, I'm not very smart.
Who needs love, when you've got a gun?
Who needs love, to have any fun?
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go!
Said, now screwie Louie!
We gotta go.
Louie, Louie!
We gotta go.
I said now Louie, Louie!
We gotta go!
I just sing "Louie, Louie!" and mumble the rest, making up lyrics.

[Coma_Girl]

do you guys know why joe strummer was so great (and mick, paul and toper as well)?



(answer in the next post)

[guns_of_brixton]

THey were so great because they did thing that nobody had ever done before. White guys doing hip-hop? Let alone white-guy punk rockers? Also, in my opinion, Joe was the greatest songwriter of all time, and the Clash had great chemistry and fit together perfectly.

[sketchyjoe]

They were great because they were The Clash.

Duh!

[guns_of_brixton]

They were great because they were The Clash.

Duh!

THis answer works as well.

[Coma_Girl]

and i'll add something to sean's post.

they admitted it when they were wrong.

[guns_of_brixton]

Yea, they definetly did. For instance, Cut the Crap. Also, they didn't consider themselves huge rock stars either. And until Joe dies, Topper didn't even nkow that the Clash was so big.

[CombatRock]

i heard yall talking about louie louie..i never heard of it..whose it buy..what kind of music is it?

[Coma_Girl]

Yea, they definetly did. For instance, Cut the Crap. Also, they didn't consider themselves huge rock stars either. And until Joe dies, Topper didn't even nkow that the Clash was so big.
the truth is, i didnt even know what their music means to me until he died.and when i think about it...i just cant believe he died...there's so many people who love joe...it's just unfair...i know we're all gonna die someday, but he died way too young.its crazy to think that he wont come back...NEVER.the world lost a great man the day he died. :upset: i've read something in the book that was like : " there was only one joe strummer" and with the rest of the article...it was really really sad.it's hard to explain something like that...you know when you read something you think is really powerful but when you look at the line without the rest, it doesnt mean anything anymore.

ahhh shut up andy :upset:

[SantaDuJuan]

the truth is, i didnt even know what their music means to me until he died.and when i think about it...i just cant believe he died...there's so many people who love joe...it's just unfair...i know we're all gonna die someday, but he died way too young.its crazy to think that he wont come back...NEVER.the world lost a great man the day he died. :upset: i've read something in the book that was like : " there was only one joe strummer" and with the rest of the article...it was really really sad.it's hard to explain something like that...you know when you read something you think is really powerful but when you look at the line without the rest, it doesnt mean anything anymore.

ahhh shut up andy :upset:


Emo.

[Coma_Girl]

that's...mean!

[Coma_Girl]

im reading an interview with Mick and he says "right" every two words :lol: and i can imagine the scene in my head...mick back in the 70s with his hair over his eyes and his little puppie face saying "blah blah right...blah blah blah right?" :lol:

[CombatRock]

that's...mean!

dont listen to him...and brittish always people say right when they talk...have you seen that interivew on essential clash with them?

[guns_of_brixton]

British people always do say right :lol:.

[CombatRock]

while i was jogging i was listing to the clash and thinking of clash ideas for this thread

here is somthign to do...

post your favroite clash albums in order with your favroite songs or song on them (can be a compliation or greatest hit album)

london calling: guns of brixton, clampdown
the clash (uk)- whats my name
essential clash(disc 1)- capital radio
essential clash(disc 2)- straight to hell
combatrock- know your rights
GEER- drug stabbing time, stay free
sandinista- the call up

[guns_of_brixton]

London Calling- Death or Glory, the Guns of Brixton
The Clash- Complete Control, White Man, Police and Thieves
Combat Rock- Know Your Rights
GEER- Guns on the Roof, Safe European Home
Sandinista!- Police on my Back, Charlie don't Surf
Story of the Clash- Armagideon Time

[Silvermedalmafia]

the truth is, i didnt even know what their music means to me until he died.and when i think about it...i just cant believe he died...there's so many people who love joe...it's just unfair...i know we're all gonna die someday, but he died way too young.its crazy to think that he wont come back...NEVER.the world lost a great man the day he died. :upset: i've read something in the book that was like : " there was only one joe strummer" and with the rest of the article...it was really really sad.it's hard to explain something like that...you know when you read something you think is really powerful but when you look at the line without the rest, it doesnt mean anything anymore.

ahhh shut up andy :upset:
Cheer up, there are better people to get yourself attached to. Who are still alive.

[CombatRock]

London Calling- Death or Glory, the Guns of Brixton
The Clash- Complete Control, White Man, Police and Thieves
Combat Rock- Know Your Rights
GEER- Guns on the Roof, Safe European Home
Sandinista!- Police on my Back, Charlie don't Surf
Story of the Clash- Armagideon Time

i loooooooooove armagideon time..clash did a great job on it and willie willams verison is great to..one of my all time fav songs..the bass line in it kicks ***

[guns_of_brixton]

I like the part where the beat stops and Mick says something like "come out with your hands up" or something like that. Its a great song.

[CombatRock]

yeap..good song..just learned the bass line to it

[guns_of_brixton]

Nice :thumb:.

I love playing the guitar part of Know your Rights.

[CombatRock]

i liek playing the bass part lol


i though you played bass?

[guns_of_brixton]

I play both, but I play guitar a little more.

[CombatRock]

what clash songs can you playing guitar or bass

bass:
white riot
complete control
clash city rockers
im so bored with the usa
police and theives
janie jones
capital radio
white man hammersmith palais
london calling
brand new cadillac
jimmy jazz
guns of brixton
train in vain
bankrobber
should i stay or should i go
armagideon time

guitar:
london calling
clash city rockers

[Silvermedalmafia]

Holy crap. That is tons. Get a new band you play.

[CombatRock]

Get a new band you play.

are you asking if i play in a band?

if so yes i do...we sound nothign like the clash more along the lines of tool and that stuff..

[Silvermedalmafia]

no, I'm just saying that you should learn other stuff than the clash.

[CombatRock]

no, I'm just saying that you should learn other stuff than the clash.



oooh i do lol...

know bob marley,toots and the maytlas,dropkick murphys,the adicts and the ramones (ramones when i first got my bass)

[guns_of_brixton]

Guitar:
London Calling
Brand New Cadillac
Jimmy Jazz
Hateful
the Guns of Brixton
Death or Glory
Train in Vain
Should I Stay or Should I Go
Armagideon Time
I Fought the Law (I love playing that song)
Janie Jones
Tommy Gun
White Riot

Bass:

The Guns of Brixton
Magnificent Seven
Police and Theives
Death or Glory

Wow... I'm really a Clash whore :).

[guns_of_brixton]

I forgot, I know the bass for Brand New Cadillac.

EDIT: and the bass to Should I Stay...

[CombatRock]

im trying to learn rudi cant fail on bass but im having trouble with it

[guns_of_brixton]

I love the bass part at the end of the song.

And your band sounds like Tool? NOOOOOOOOOOO!

[CombatRock]

really i have never heard tool.its what are drummer listens too...we play like rock music not punk or clash sounding..but recnelty i found this dude at my school who always weres clash stuff and bad religon ..and brings an acoustic guitar to school i want to start up a band with him and play reggae and punk!! ahhh that woudl be sweet

[Coma_Girl]

the clash: im so bored with the usa, white man
london calling: lost in the supermarket, clampdown, death or glory
combat rock: STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!!
sandinista!: magnificent 7
GEER: julies in the drug squad, safe european home

[CombatRock]

i love the song hate and war..i feel its so underrated

just listen to the lyrics..its so true about the world right now..with all these wars..timeless song

[Coma_Girl]

yeah you're right.
but pretty much all their songs are timeless...or at least...the general ideas of their songs are.

[CombatRock]

yea.....i bet you can relate to im so bored with the usa, being canadian and all.




hate and war only thing we are today!

[Coma_Girl]

yea.....i bet you can relate to im so bored with the usa, being canadian and all.

i love the lyrics of im so bored with the USA...Joe was a great writer.I wish i could be half as good as him.

[chips88]

I love the bass part at the end of the song.

And your band sounds like Tool? NOOOOOOOOOOO!

I like the bass line during the whole song. Some of the Clash is rediculously easy and simple, and some is just awesome and really fun, but it's all good. Rudy Can't Fail is one of their best songs, and one of their best bass songs too.

[Silvermedalmafia]

I think rudy can't fail is a great song, but overrated. It's got nothing on wrong 'em boyo.

[TheNowhereman42]

nah I <3 rudy can't fail, the Grosse Point Blank soundtrak is mucho awesome

[guns_of_brixton]

I love the guitar in Lost in the Supermarket, especially the solo :cool:.

[SantaDuJuan]

You kids are so cheezy, Lover's Rock is their best song.... ever.


That little music solo with all the percussion instruments is all I need for a hit!

[ozzyhead541]

you left out how he died he had a heart attack and you didnt menton thea he was cremated and i pulled this out of a guitar world

[guns_of_brixton]

You kids are so cheezy, Lover's Rock is their best song.... ever.


That little music solo with all the percussion instruments is all I need for a hit!

Do you only like that song for the percussion?

[CombatRock]

You kids are so cheezy, Lover's Rock is their best song.... ever.


That little music solo with all the percussion instruments is all I need for a hit!


lovers rock is one of my least fav clash songs..somthing about it makes it boring

[white_riot]

i love the lyrics of im so bored with the USA...Joe was a great writer.I wish i could be half as good as him.

i agree i love the lyrics to that song too. i try to write songs but they always seem to sound the same as the song I have in my head when i am writing it.

[sketchyjoe]

i love the lyrics of im so bored with the USA...Joe was a great writer.I wish i could be half as good as him.
I love the story behind that song.

[Coma_Girl]

whats the story behind that song?


Something from let fury have the hour(article "Be Bop A Lula, Here's Joe Strummer" written in 1988 by Ann Scanlon for Sounds):

"God knows he even sold his marriage vows for it (rock n roll).In 1974 he married a complete stranger, who needed immigration status in order to travel abroad, and he used the resultant E100 to buy the black Telecaster he has used every night since.
"I'd like to get divorced," he shrugs, 'but I can't find her.'
It's not something that Strummer - now the father of two daughters - things about from one year to the next.
"I've been with Gabrielle for ten years and we don't need a piece of paper to tell us we're together."

And although he now accepts that the clash have split for good, he and Jones are closer than ever.
"Mick's daughter Lauren and my daughter Jazzi are the best of friends - a terrible duo - so I see him all the time. I see Paul too and I'm going to go and see Topper who's been detained at Her Majesty's pleasure."

[sketchyjoe]

whats the story behind that song?

It was originally a song Mick wrote called "I'm So Bored With You" about his girlfriend. I think it was possibly the first song they wrote together.

[Anxious]

learn jimmy jazz, now thats a sweet walking bass line.

[white_riot]

It was originally a song Mick wrote called "I'm So Bored With You" about his girlfriend. I think it was possibly the first song they wrote together.

Yeah i remember them saying that in Westaway to the world.

[guns_of_brixton]

It was originally a song Mick wrote called "I'm So Bored With You" about his girlfriend. I think it was possibly the first song they wrote together.

On the song Mick goes "I'm so bored with you" and Joe finishes with "S.A.". Its a great song.

[Coma_Girl]

yeah, mick talk about it in westway

[Forest_Fire]

I wish I could find Westway somewhere. :upset:

[purple_passion_rocket]

dm fm mnmfnnfmndm

[purple_passion_rocket]

fdkldfkldfklfdkldfskldf :naughty:chghgchffgf

[Coma_Girl]

what a moron...



i didnt know Mick had a daugther...i cant imagine mick with a baby or a kid.

[sketchyjoe]

Mick was the ugliest one in The Clash.

[Silvermedalmafia]

Mick was the ugliest one in The Clash.
yeah, agreed. Joe was next.

[sketchyjoe]

Mick was an alien.

Topper looked like a weasel.

Joe was fairly average.

Paul was just plain hawt!

[Silvermedalmafia]

paul was very good looking, one to go gay for, as they say. And Joe wasn't quite average, his mouth curled funny.

[Coma_Girl]

i am the girl here...i know what i'm talking about:

mick wasnt ugly all the time, depends on his hair really..at the beginning of the clash before topper joined he was cute..not hot...just cute like a little puppy.

topper was too...skinny...i dont know.

paul wasnt that hot.bah...he was hot when his hair were like sid's hair.

joe wasnt hot...he was charismatic

EDIT: and Joe wrote amazing lyrics...who could resist to a talented guy like joe.

[sketchyjoe]

I'm a guy and I'm not obsessed by Joe Strummer so I'm objective.

http://www.ondarock.it/photo/Clash.jpg

Topper looks like a crackhead and I don't know what Mick looks like.

[Silvermedalmafia]

and Joe wrote amazing lyrics...who could resist to a talented guy like joe.
Anyone other than you, as you are a clash whore.

[Coma_Girl]

http://www.ondarock.it/photo/Clash.jpg



I hate this picture. :lol: Mick and Paul look...ermm...not gay like homosexuals, but gay.



ohhh and I'm not obsessed with joe.just his lyrics...

[CombatRock]

all my friends/sister think paul is hot...he is good looking.....mick is hideous now he looks like a rat..but i could careless what they look like

[sketchyjoe]

all my friends/sister think paul is hot...he is good looking
Let's face it. Most girls would open their legs so fast for Paul they'd crack their pelvis.

[CombatRock]

Let's face it. Most girls would open their legs so fast for Paul they'd crack their pelvis.


hahahahahahahhaha :lol:



we need to stay on topic before this thread gets closed

[Coma_Girl]

conclusion: even if they're old, they'll never be as ugly as Johnny Rotten (old Johnny) but they'll always be more talented.

[sketchyjoe]

hahahahahahahhaha :lol:



we need to stay on topic before this thread gets closed
This is on topic. It's about The Clash.

[CombatRock]

i guess your right..

talkign about peoples looks then...

in NME clash edition special or whatever

it showed a picture of Paul and his girlfriend...and shes hot!!..shes blonde skinny just like Paul..has anyone seen her and is that his wife?

[sketchyjoe]

What page?

[Coma_Girl]

arrrggg!I tried to find it when i went to montreal but the one with the clash wasnt there :upset: :upset: :upset:

[CombatRock]

What page?


hold on i will go look..do you have the issue?

[sketchyjoe]

Yes.

[CombatRock]

its on page 77, first pic at the top...then turn to 86...that pic of paul makes me wanna turn queer..

[sketchyjoe]

That's Caroline Coon. She was Paul's girlfriend at the time and also their manager for some time after they sacked Bernie Rhodes.

I know what you mean about the picture on 86. The pictures of him on 16 and 66 are pretty hot too.



Uh...you know...for a guy. Not like I'm into that.

[Coma_Girl]

someone need to scan these pistures and post them here for me!i wanna see it too

[CombatRock]

That's Caroline Coon. She was Paul's girlfriend at the time and also their manager for some time after they sacked Bernie Rhodes.

I know what you mean about the picture on 86. The pictures of him on 16 and 66 are pretty hot too.



Uh...you know...for a guy. Not like I'm into that.



ooh i didnt know that was caroline coon...i pictured her being and old ugly lady..she is the one that produce GEER right?...


andy i dont have a scanner..sorry

[sketchyjoe]

Sandy Pearlman produced GEER. Guy Stevens produced London Calling. I think she might have taken the photo for London Calling but I'm not sure.

[CombatRock]

was caroline the manager all the way from bernie being fired till the clash breakout?

[Coma_Girl]

i thought caroline was Mick's girlfriend.

[CombatRock]

maybe she was cheating on paul haha

[Coma_Girl]

good pictures:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/claseuh.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/lostinthesupermarket.jpg (my favorite of the whole band)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/joephotovrmtnice.jpg (my favorite of joe)

awful picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/degeuclash.jpg

joe's wife and daughter eliza:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/lucindaeliza.jpg

[CombatRock]

that was a such a stupid pic on that bike....


woah..i have never seen joes wife or daughter...do you have anymore pics of him

[Coma_Girl]

i have pictures of his wife and his kids on the day they named a train joe strummer...i cant find them.i think eliza is his step daughter though.

the train:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/joestrummertrain.jpg

guitar stickers:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/ignorealiensticker.jpg (ignore alien orders)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/xfull_collapse/clash/trashcitysticker.jpg (trash city - the latino rockabilly war)

[Coma_Girl]

that was a such a stupid pic on that bike...
nahh.paul is SOOOO hot :naughty:

[CombatRock]

were did you get the pics of joes stickers?

[guns_of_brixton]

Pennie Smith was the one who took the photo that ended up on the cover of London Calling. And that motorcycle picture is really stupid.

[Coma_Girl]

that motorcycle pic makes me want to laugh and to puke at the same time.worst picture ever. :lol:

[guns_of_brixton]

Paul looks like a farmer with leather pants :lol:.

And on the last page you guys were talking about who was the hottest one, and in and interview I read once, the interviewer asked Joe if the Clash ever had groupies. He said that Paul was the only good looking one, so only Paul had groupies :lol:.

[Coma_Girl]

there's this guy i met on a poetry website (im not emo.) who met Joe & The Meskies.

"Yea, Andy, when I met him after The Mescaleros show in Hartford Ct, I was carrying a local paper and had gotten autographs from all the band members (I am not one for autographs, and this was just a prop and way not to look so nervous), as I hadn't spotted Joe. When I saw him relaxed and in a dark corner, it wa sobvious he had been watching me. So, I introduced myself, told him I quit the factory after hearing his message in Clampdown (your favorite song!), and went back to College and even one some awards writing poetry. He said it was one of the nicest things he ever heard a fan say, shook my hand, had some small talk, and then asked why I didn't ask HIM for his autograph? I told him it was a sort of prop, we laughed, and I said will you please sign this? He did and wrote, "To David = star Thanks Joe Strummer" There you have it! So glad to share this with you, and you seem so awesome and well adjusted in life.(this is the moment where Id say:'hummm' if it wasnt a email)."

so yeah, this is his story...just thought id share cause i like the part when he says he quit the factory after hearing clampdown.the clash changed so many lifes.

[Coma_Girl]

Paul looks like a farmer with leather pants :lol:.

And on the last page you guys were talking about who was the hottest one, and in and interview I read once, the interviewer asked Joe if the Clash ever had groupies. He said that Paul was the only good looking one, so only Paul had groupies :lol:.
paul wasnt THAT hot.

[guns_of_brixton]

paul wasnt THAT hot.

He brings out my gay side :p.

Its pretty awesome that your friend David quit his factory job to do what he wanted to do. Joe's lyrics really spoke to people.

[Anxious]

its funny cause paul siminon is a pianter now, and hasnt touched bass in years.

[guns_of_brixton]

He still plays occaisonally (sp?), just not in aband or anything.

[Anxious]

whats sp mean?

[sketchyjoe]

Spelling.

[sketchyjoe]

was caroline the manager all the way from bernie being fired till the clash breakout?
Bernie returned as the manager at one point.

[guns_of_brixton]

Caroline was their manager during Combat Rock, according to some article I read, but I don't think it was mentioned in Westway.

[white_riot]

I want to buy a clash book and i was wondering if anyone could tell me which is the best one to get.

[CombatRock]

andy is reading one right now..dont know the name..but i have never read a clash book so idont know

[Forest_Fire]

same here

[Coma_Girl]

the only one ive read so far is Let Fury Have The Hour: Punk Rock Politics of Joe Strummer and it's good, but it says the same thing over and over again in different words.It's a great book if you want something to make you realize the impact of Joe on the society.

I think i'll get Passion Is A Fashion next month cause it seems pretty interesting and maybe Vision Of An Homeland, the book on the mescaleros.

[guns_of_brixton]

I read part of The Last Gang in Town, but I didn't think it was very good. But that was when I didn't like the Clash as much, so I should probably give it another try.

[CombatRock]

im not much on reading only big things i have read about the clash are in my NME clash issue..if none of yall have it...GET IT..its the best thing i have ever bought (magizne wise)

[guns_of_brixton]

I'll keep an eye out for it.

[Forest_Fire]

where can you get it?

[sketchyjoe]

I got mine from HMV.

[guns_of_brixton]

What is HMV?

[sketchyjoe]

His Master's Voice

[CombatRock]

where can you get it?

i got mine at Hastings

[Coma_Girl]

i want this magazine!!I'm so jealous :upset:

canada is ****ing gay sometimes

[Forest_Fire]

I want it too. :upset:

I haven't heard of either of those stores and I doubt anywhere around here would sell it

[CombatRock]

ebay

nme.com

[Coma_Girl]

**dont have a credit card

[CombatRock]

get one of your friends to order it for you then pay them back

[CombatRock]

theres a pic of topper..recently took im guessing..he looks old and sad

edit: im having trouble uploadint the pic

[CombatRock]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72431&item=7504733179&rd=1

scroll down towrads the bottom were it has all the pics..its topper and his dog.


didnt relized i did a triple post..my bad

[Coma_Girl]

2004.

he still looks like a rat...some things never change.He do looks old (which is kinda normal) and sad...Sad but not on heroin anymore. I don't like to see my heros all weird and old like that...It's like they are still 25 in my head...and it's a shock when I see a picture of them old.For some reason, Joe didnt look old to me.But the first time I saw a recent picture of Mick..I just couldnt believe he was that old...same for Topper.Paul still looks pretty much like when he was 25 anyways.

[Forest_Fire]

My english teacher that borrowed my clash cd's is going to let me borrow some Public Enemy cds. sweet.

Also, if I remember right, the clash were a big influence on Public Enemy

[CombatRock]

if i remeber correctly..wasnt joe in a PE video


and yes PE is an awesome group

[Coma_Girl]

dustin is right, dustin is right.
the clash = big influence on public enemy

i let my teacher borrow me my mescaleros cds...and i missed my cds way too much...i keep them for myself now

[Forest_Fire]

mescaleros whore :p

[guns_of_brixton]

Public Enemy is awesome, Chuck D is a great writer/ lyricist (sp?).

And I'm sure I can fing that magazine somewhere around here.

I wish I had a teacher who was a Clash whore too :upset:. My history teacher last year knew who the Clash were and said that Train in Vain was a cool song, but thats about it.

[guns_of_brixton]

sean is right, sean is right.
they clash = big influence on public enemy

i let my teacher borrow me my mescaleros cds...and i missed my cds way too much...i keep them for myself now

It was actually Dustin (Ska_Pirate) who said that, but I'll take the credit :p.

But I agree that the Clash influenced PE and I think NWA too.