*Current Gen Console Discussion* (Wii/PS3/X360)

[Jonny]

I hope Revolution is good, because I really enjoy nintendo. I hear they'e gearing this system to an older audience. They're going to make alot more mature games. There will still be the classic Mario games, but more shooters and what-not.
Did you read when they said that ''games these days are too long'' or how ''controllers this generation have too many buttons and control sticks'' and ''we want to make a console that anyone can play''?

So I'm expecting a larger version of the DS. Lots of short pick-up-and-play games which you play for 5 mins at a time. And an FPS like TS3 uses pretty much all the buttons on the current controller.

Plus they keep spouting off about how radically different their controller is, which of course is gonna alienate them from third parties who want to release a game on all formats but cant- so Nintendo end up losing out.

[red barchetta]

Did you read when they said that ''games these days are too long'' or how ''controllers this generation have too many buttons and control sticks'' and ''we want to make a console that anyone can play''?

So I'm expecting a larger version of the DS. Lots of short pick-up-and-play games which you play for 5 mins at a time. And an FPS like TS3 uses pretty much all the buttons on the current controller.

Plus they keep spouting off about how radically different their controller is, which of course is gonna alienate them from third parties who want to release a game on all formats but cant- so Nintendo end up losing out.
yep, the revolution is going to be a 'family console'. damn you Miyamoto...

[iedoc]

****, i hope thats not true, if it is, this will probably be thier last system.

[Jonny]

yep, the revolution is going to be a 'family console'. damn you Miyamoto...
Yeah I think he's losing it. He wants another NES.

[red barchetta]

he doesnt know what we want, he only knows and plans to make what he wants.

[Jonny]

he doesnt know what we want, he only knows and plans to make what he wants.
Mario Sunshine and Windwaker are examples of games which would have sold tonnes better if they listened to consumers.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

PS3 will own it anyway.

Mario Party online would be amazing though! I love that game as it is (well, on N64).

[Jonny]

PS3 will own it anyway.

I love how people can blindly say that one console which hasn't been released yet will do so much better than another console which hasn't been release yet.

[The Buttloaves]

I used to be a Nintendo boy, but then I discovered Halo and Xbox.
SAME HERE!
/high fives

[viscious]

yeah sounds sweet but I heard it comes out like 4 or 5 months after the xbow360 and ps3 come out......bummer

Well the Xbox 360 is supposed to come out this year while the PS3 and revolution are scheduled for about the same time 2006. Nintendo already stated it wouldn't be the last to market so you can pretty much rule out your comment. As for comments about it being Nintendo's last console, I highly doubt it. They make money on their consoles unlike Sony and Microsoft who push the consoles for a cheaper than manufactured price in order to gain marketshare and sell games. Nintendo will be around for awhile.

[Liberi Fatali]

Well the Xbox 360 is supposed to come out this year while the PS3 and revolution are scheduled for about the same time 2006. Nintendo already stated it wouldn't be the last to market so you can pretty much rule out your comment. As for comments about it being Nintendo's last console, I highly doubt it. They make money on their consoles unlike Sony and Microsoft who push the consoles for a cheaper than manufactured price in order to gain marketshare and sell games. Nintendo will be around for awhile.
Actually Ps3 is scheduled for around March-June 06, while the Revolution later in the year. Whether they will be able to stick to that promise that they won't be last to the market is debatable, I'm sure they'd rather go back on a promise than release a half-done console.

Microsoft and Sony do gain money on their consoles, however the Playstation 2 and Microsoft took a lot longer than the Gamecube to start making revenue from them. Sony has been making profits on the sales of Playstation 2's for awhile now, and Microsoft have just started gaining back money from their lots revenue. I doubt Microsoft will make it into + profit, as their main goal was to establish themselves on the market. Not to make a huge profit.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

It was announced recently that the PS3 is going to cost a lot. While the words used were subjective it lead me to beleive 500+ at launch. That is also assuming they're losing money on each console made.

Nintendo won't be going anywhere, unlike the other two they make money off of everything they put out. Sure in the long run Sony and Microsoft make some money, but they're down millions to begin with. Nintendo has a constant up stream of money. They will be around aslong as they keep that business practice up.

[OnePartHarmony]

I'll laugh when it turns out Revolution has the best graphics of the bunch. I bet Nintendo secretly owns EA and with their combined power they buy Microsoft AND Sony. You know them crafty folks at Nintendo. They're crazy enough to do it!

[Liberi Fatali]

It was announced recently that the PS3 is going to cost a lot. While the words used were subjective it lead me to beleive 500+ at launch. That is also assuming they're losing money on each console made.

Nintendo won't be going anywhere, unlike the other two they make money off of everything they put out. Sure in the long run Sony and Microsoft make some money, but they're down millions to begin with. Nintendo has a constant up stream of money. They will be around aslong as they keep that business practice up.
Ps3 won't be anywhere near 500, reports are that it will cost somewhere in the $300-$400 range, around the launch price of the Ps2 and Ps1. Not in the $500+ dollar range that some seem to think. Don't forget about inflation as well, it has been nearly 10 years since the Playstation 1 was released, at US$300 (?). With inflation that price today would probably be around $350, perhaps more. So really you're paying no more for your Playstation 3 than you did for your Playstation 1.

Nintendo's plan is more of a safe-bet, although they can still easily go bankrupt. If they continue along their current path (that the N64, and Gamecube set) then in a few generations time they will probably just be game developers. They are selling less and less consoles with every generation, and the development is costing more and more.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

The Inquirer and TotalVideogames claim that Wal-Mart employees apparently have leaked the launch date and price of the Xbox 360. According to these reports, the Xbox 360 will retail for $299 and the launch will be Friday, November 4th.

The rumored price sounds likely to be true since it is the same price of the original Xbox when it launched back on November 15th of 2001. However, the Nov. 4th date sounds a bit odd being that it takes place on a Friday; not typically strong “launch day” for retailers. Being that the first Xbox launched on the third Thursday of November and just before the Thanksgiving holiday, a date of November 10th or November 17th seems more likely for the Xbox 360 launch, but again, this is purely speculation.

We’ll have more on the Xbox 360 launch date and price as it develops.
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/8853/xbox360box5fs.jpg
source: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8879/Xbox-360-Price-Launch-Date-Revealed/

[MAthiAS]

When's the Revolution supposed to be out then?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Similar time as PS3 Sping '06 is the current estimate.

[Jonny]

Similar time as PS3 Sping '06 is the current estimate.
I read another thing (lost the link) saying it could well be late 2006 and early 2007. But that's ok because Nintendo doesn't want to be in competition with Sony and MS. :rolleyes:

[loathed]

i've read somewhere in a local magazine about this. but i forgot the name of it. basically it compared xbox360 and ps3. the ps3 won hands down. as in graphics and everything.

[Zakath]

what'll the follow up the gaycube with? The queersphere?

Bwahahahahaha :lol: :lol:

[FlyingPaul_83]

i've read somewhere in a local magazine about this. but i forgot the name of it. basically it compared xbox360 and ps3. the ps3 won hands down. as in graphics and everything.

I think The Xbox 360 is trying to be an all around system. It's not mainly focusing on games and graphics, but it's trying to be more like a computer. You can put music on it, it has a hard drive, and I think it can connect to your computer and share files or something(read that somwhere).

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I think you people are idiots for comparing a system not yet released to a system whose specs aren't even finalized/working.

[loathed]

yeaaaa...go ahead and flame us :upset:

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Happy to.
3) You do not have the power to see into the future and find out which system may be better than the rest.

4) Enough with the bickering over which game/system is better, IT IS ALL OPINION.

[Ramsey]

Nintendo's plan is more of a safe-bet, although they can still easily go bankrupt. If they continue along their current path (that the N64, and Gamecube set) then in a few generations time they will probably just be game developers. They are selling less and less consoles with every generation, and the development is costing more and more.
I seriously doubt this.


One of the benifits of the N64 was that its development was that of the SNES and the NES before that. Nintendo keeps the dev kits nearly the same so that the developers can have a very easy time making a new game for the system. The Gamecube is similar to the N64 in that respect, therefore it is very easy to develop for the systems since developers know what to expect (and Nintendos interface is just easier anyways).

With that said, its very cheap to develop for the Nintendo Gamecube (or any of their consoles). Too add to that, Nintendo aren't losing fans, in fact, they've carved themselfs a great niche in the market. The Gamecube wasn't too hot, but the DS has sold over 5 million units, the GBA 100 mill before it and all together the Gameboys have sold around 128 million.

Add to that the cost of making Gamecubes (the hardware) which is really low, which allows Nintendo to lower its cost to $99, because they can afford it. Microsoft however lose money on every machine they sell because they sell high end hardware at a low price so they never make up their market share. They hope to gain new fans in this generation so that they can fill the debt they are putting themselves in by releasing the Xbox 360 and Xbox before it.

With Nintendo---their politics aren't about hit or miss, its about consistency. They aren't really competing with either company because they know they have their loyal fans. Microsoft and Sony lack loyal fans. They have fans, but not a following--or fans that expect rehashed Nintendo franchises.


All i'm saying is, Nintendos going nowhere. They are way in the black and are doing just fine with themselves. Their policy is pretty conservative and it works.

[Ascendancy]

Ps3. :d

[Ramsey]

Did you read when they said that ''games these days are too long'' or how ''controllers this generation have too many buttons and control sticks'' and ''we want to make a console that anyone can play''? Nintendo are trying to reach a new market, theres nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean their products will be worse.

So I'm expecting a larger version of the DS. Nintendo has stated on several occasions no touchscreen

Lots of short pick-up-and-play games which you play for 5 mins at a time. And an FPS like TS3 uses pretty much all the buttons on the current controller. I highly doubt this. They have franchises that are extremely long winded like their platformers with Zelda, Metroid, etc. Why would they commit suicide like that? Nintendos been in the business for a long time, they know what they are doing.

Plus they keep spouting off about how radically different their controller is, which of course is gonna alienate them from third parties who want to release a game on all formats but cant- so Nintendo end up losing out.
Not if the controller isn't hard to develop for. Reggie has stated on several occasions that they want to gain 3rd party support. If anything, this controller is supposed to gain support, not lose it. I don't think Nintendos that stupid. THey've learned from the mistakes they've made on the gamecube and they want to gain 3rd party support. They're even including wifi and internet---a Nintendo first.


Don't be quick to judge their attack.

[infinate_ammo]

Ramsey may I ask you about virginity?

[OnePartHarmony]

Yeah, I have this nagging feeling the Revolution will shame the PS3 and 360. They've made a revolitionary controller before (N64 controller pioneered analog control in 3D games), so I can see them doing it again. Nintendo is also the only one of the three that is truly willing to be creative and new, and not rely on franchises. I may just pass on the 360 and buy a Revolution.

[Ramsey]

I wouldn't say shame---but just be consistent? That would seem about right.


I don't think Ninentdo will make some amazing strides this generation, but I also don't think they are going to go bankrupt at all either.

[6Stringer]

Yeah, I have this nagging feeling the Revolution will shame the PS3 and 360. They've made a revolitionary controller before (N64 controller pioneered analog control in 3D games), so I can see them doing it again. Nintendo is also the only one of the three that is truly willing to be creative and new, and not rely on franchises. I may just pass on the 360 and buy a Revolution.

I'm going to have to agree. Nintendo has always had creative and new ideas rather than relying on the same old ideas over and over again (a la 360 and PS3).

To what Ramsey said above me... why would Nintendo be going bankrupt? They still have people purchasing their systems and games.

[Ramsey]

Read my post. I'm defending the fact that Nintendo is going to stay in business. Have you read any of my posts? :p

[infinate_ammo]

excuse me ramzeyy? why do you tihnk nintendo will loose all their moneyz?

[Jonny]

Nintendo are trying to reach a new market, theres nothing wrong with that. It doesn't mean their products will be worse.

Nintendo has stated on several occasions no touchscreen

I highly doubt this. They have franchises that are extremely long winded like their platformers with Zelda, Metroid, etc. Why would they commit suicide like that? Nintendos been in the business for a long time, they know what they are doing.


Not if the controller isn't hard to develop for. Reggie has stated on several occasions that they want to gain 3rd party support. If anything, this controller is supposed to gain support, not lose it. I don't think Nintendos that stupid. THey've learned from the mistakes they've made on the gamecube and they want to gain 3rd party support. They're even including wifi and internet---a Nintendo first.


Don't be quick to judge their attack.
I'm not denying that the Rev will do well. I'm sure it will- Nintendo still have loads of loyal followers, even though the numbers have been diminishing since the N64. Maybe the Rev will win back some of those people and maybe a few others too, but I'm just saying I've lost interest in it. To me, a lot of their statements sound like they feel they've lost the mainstream videogaming demographic so they're trying to appeal to other people who don't usually even consider playing games.

They're really hanging all their hopes on people falling in love with the controller straight away, but if they make it so different, it's just gonna get harder for 3rd parties to port games onto it. Meaning a lot of major 3rd party franchises will just go to the PS3 and 360 where there's more money. I mean, resident evil 5 is confirmed for PS3 and 360, as is the next proper final fantasy (I think).
IMO, the 360 is looking to be a far better choice- I already have a list of games I want for it. The only reason I can see for me getting a Rev is for Zelda and Metroid and Mario- but ONLY if it's an actual proper mario game, which we've not had since Mario 64. Of course, it's still early in development and more games will probably be announced, but the reason I stuck with Nintendo so long is because of their established franchises. But now the other consoles are also getting more great franchises, some of which are better than what Nintendo is producing- especially since Mario sold out.

[Jawaharal]

I hate new systems cause that means I have to buy it and get new games and then they stop making games for my old system costing me lots o cash

[Untitled]

Quick question, i dunno if anyone knows the answer, hopefully they will.

Ive just got my broadband upgraded, so now i can finaly get xbox live, but if i got live within the next 2 weeks, would i be able to use my account on the Xbox360? or should i wait untill i get one of them.

[DemonicRubberDucky]

The Xbox 360 will be the international revolution of evil.

[OnePartHarmony]

Quick question, i dunno if anyone knows the answer, hopefully they will.

Ive just got my broadband upgraded, so now i can finaly get xbox live, but if i got live within the next 2 weeks, would i be able to use my account on the Xbox360? or should i wait untill i get one of them.

Your gamertag will still work for 360, only there are two different types of Xbox Live subscription. There's the basic one, which is free and lets you download stuff, send messages, all that stuff. But it doesn't let you actually play the game online. To do that, you need to get the one that costs money. Which is really no different from now. Making people get a new account for the new system would just be ridiculous.

[Shadows]

It pleases me to no end to see that most MXers are smart enough to go for a PS3.

Come on people, Microsoft already has a monopoly on the computer industry, we can't let them have video games too. :angry:

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Sony is just as bad as Microsoft.

[Krabsworth]

The Xbox 360 will be the international revolution of evil.

Microsoft already pulled that one with Windows.

[Shadows]

Sony is just as bad as Microsoft.
I disagree.

[OnePartHarmony]

Boy do I love playing the Halo card. Until Sony can stop the juggernaught that is Halo, Microsoft will be around for awhile.

[Shadows]

Unfortunately for Microsoft, Halo is the only thing they have going for Xbox.

Unfortunately for Sony, people are actually stupid enought to buy an Xbox solely for Halo.

[OnePartHarmony]

Even more unfortunate for Sony, those same stupid people will buy a 360 and Halo 3 when they go to buy their PS3. A bold plan, launching Halo 3 on PS3's launch day.

[Shadows]

Even more unfortunate for Sony, those same stupid people will buy a 360 and Halo 3 when they go to buy their PS3. A bold plan, launching Halo 3 on PS3's launch day.
:angry: x10,000

[OnePartHarmony]

:angry: x10,000

You're on Sony's side, aren't you?

[Shadows]

You're on Sony's side, aren't you?
Yes. I'm very anti-Xbox.

[OnePartHarmony]

Yes. I'm very anti-Xbox.

I'm very anti-PlayStation, so you can imagine how happy I am that Halo 3 launches alongside PS3. This only means I'll have to stand in line with Sony-folk, and many an evil glance shall be exchanged. But then, in a perfect world, we'll put aside our differences and join together under Nintendo's wing of truth, realizing out violent Halo's and GTA's are inferior to the sweet melodies of Mario.....nah. I'll keep the pleasure of sticking someone with my plasma grenade over getting 8 red coins.

[Shadows]

I'm very anti-PlayStation, so you can imagine how happy I am that Halo 3 launches alongside PS3. This only means I'll have to stand in line with Sony-folk, and many an evil glance shall be exchanged. But then, in a perfect world, we'll put aside our differences and join together under Nintendo's wing of truth, realizing out violent Halo's and GTA's are inferior to the sweet melodies of Mario.....nah. I'll keep the pleasure of sticking someone with my plasma grenade over getting 8 red coins.
Unlike most PS fanatics, I hate GTA, thus denying the only game capable of rivaling Halo (I actually hate both Halo and GTA). I have a PS2 because of games like Final Fantasy. Also, a PS2 is backwards playable (as will PS3 be) giving it more gaming options than any system could possibly hope to compete with.

[red barchetta]

Unlike most PS fanatics, I hate GTA, thus denying the only game capable of rivaling Halo (I actually hate both Halo and GTA). I have a PS2 because of games like Final Fantasy. Also, a PS2 is backwards playable (as will PS3 be) giving it more gaming options than any system could possibly hope to compete with.
i'm just like you then. i hate GTA too.

[Shadows]

i'm just like you then. i hate GTA too.
I thought that game was too boring and repetitive. It was loaded with shock value but very low on variety.

[OnePartHarmony]

Unlike most PS fanatics, I hate GTA, thus denying the only game capable of rivaling Halo (I actually hate both Halo and GTA). I have a PS2 because of games like Final Fantasy. Also, a PS2 is backwards playable (as will PS3 be) giving it more gaming options than any system could possibly hope to compete with.

Ooh, don't know about that backwards compatibility. Nintendo is offering their entire library for download with the Revolution. For a small fee, of course. But don't you worry, Halo 3 is supposedly the last Halo. I sort of hope it is. I'd rather that it go out with much huzzah and praise than dwindle and fizzle out.

[Liberi Fatali]

I thought that game was too boring and repetitive. It was loaded with shock value but very low on variety.
So you call being able to roam throughout a whole city, doing whatever you want is low on variety. Granted the missions are quite boring at times, but the roaming is what makes the game great.

[Shadows]

So you call being able to roam throughout a whole city, doing whatever you want is low on variety. Granted the missions are quite boring at times, but the roaming is what makes the game great.
Sure, you can roam, but it got so boring. In the end all you were doing was stealing cars and killing people. I can't see why the game got so much hype other than all the sex and violence crap they're trying pull.

[Liberi Fatali]

Sure, you can roam, but it got so boring. In the end all you were doing was stealing cars and killing people. I can't see why the game got so much hype other than all the sex and violence crap they're trying pull.
The game rewards creativity, if you put the time and effort in you can find a myriad of things to do, especially in GTA: San Andreas. It is not just stealing cars and killing people.

[Shadows]

The game rewards creativity, if you put the time and effort in you can find a myriad of things to do, especially in GTA: San Andreas. It is not just stealing cars and killing people.
Misions I thought were not bad, because you got to do unusual things like races, killing sprees, and other unique tasks. But my friends ever wanted to do was use cheat codes to run around around with unlimited ammo killing as many people as possible. I thought it was boring as hell.

[MAthiAS]

Can you download N64 games to the Revolution?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Nothing official announced, but presumbly.

[-:Vincent:-]

I marked PS3 just cause of the games coming out on it. But then again the 360 does have halo 3.

[OnePartHarmony]

EB games released a list of games available at 360's launch. Not sure if these are confirmed...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/641/641086p1.html

The only games I saw that I would consider buying were Condemned, Elder Scrolls IV and the new Perfect Dark. And every game is supposedly priced at $60, with the exception of Kameo, which is still $50. But it's all in the article.

[Krabsworth]

I hate those little kids that run around with 360 fliers/promotional magazines, going,"omgzorz, thiz iz gonn@ b3 awesomz" then they say how it's the best, ever, before they've used it. I dunno, it just annoys me.

[-:Vincent:-]

The PS3 is gonna have four controller ports right? If anyone has a good sight where you can see pics of the PS3 then please post.

[Liberi Fatali]

The PS3 is gonna have four controller ports right? If anyone has a good sight where you can see pics of the PS3 then please post.
I don't think the Ps3 will have four controller ports, the controllers will be using bluetooth wireless. The Ps3 will support up to 7 controllers, and I'm guessing there is a slot somewhere for an 8th controller. So no more having to buy a multitap. :)

[-:Vincent:-]

That sounds nice. So both the new consoles will have wireless? hmm...it would be way more convienent, but I'm afraid that due to certain electrical appliances around my house they might not work properly. But I guess the companies know what there doing so I shouldn't worry.

Does anyone know what the price for the PS3 and the 360 will be when their first released?

[Shadows]

I don't think the Ps3 will have four controller ports, the controllers will be using bluetooth wireless. The Ps3 will support up to 7 controllers, and I'm guessing there is a slot somewhere for an 8th controller. So no more having to buy a multitap. :)
PS3 won't need a multitap anymore!? That's like a dream come true. It was annoying to have to buy and mess with my multitap. It's good that Sony finally realized that multiplayer gaming is a big selling point.

The PS3 and 360 are both supposed to be around $300 (US) when released. That's going to be really hard for Sony, as PS3 was originally estimated to cost $500 because of all the powerful, expensive hardware.

[Chanandler Bong]

$500 USD :eek:

That'll be like $700 here in Canada.

[Shadows]

It's definitely not going to be that much.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yes it is. It was said by a member of Sony that "it's going to cost more than you think".

[Shadows]

That would be more logical considering the high cost of production, but every website on the planet following the PS3 is saying that Sony will try and keep the price down to compete with the cost of the 360.

Oh well, they could always be wrong. I'll just have to wait and see I guess.

[FlyingPaul_83]

if its under $325 at launch, then I'll get it. (not likely though)

[petepete2891]

if its under $325 at launch, then I'll get it. (not likely though)

What is that in £

[Let's Chop Cats!]

£179.60

[petepete2891]

thanks dude you replied realy quick and i also think they will be a bit more than £179

[-:Vincent:-]

Right....so the PS3 is supposed to have better (expensive) hardware, making it the better console?

[petepete2891]

Right....so the PS3 is supposed to have better (expensive) hardware, making it the better console?

Im no fanboy but it looks like it generally



250th post wow i really dont come on here much so that is a big achivement

[-:Vincent:-]

I'll have to convince my brother to get the PS3 (sense I'm getting the 360).

[petepete2891]

when are they both released (about)

[Shadows]

PS3 will statistically be better because it uses much nicer hardware (but is consequently more expensive).

360 will be released this November while the PS3 comes out Spring 2006.

[petepete2891]

PS3 will statistically be better because it uses much nicer hardware (but is consequently more expensive).

360 will be released this November while the PS3 comes out Spring 2006.

That means im going to have to endure my friends who have X-Box 360s for another few months

[Liberi Fatali]

PS3 will statistically be better because it uses much nicer hardware (but is consequently more expensive).

360 will be released this November while the PS3 comes out Spring 2006.
If the 360 is a major flop then it is a possiblity that the Ps3 will be released in 2007. Well at least according to this article:
According to Wedbush Morgan Securities, the PS3 may be delayed until 2007 if the Xbox 360 performs badly. Although it hasn't been said where the PS3 will release first, it is supposed to be released in Spring 2006.

Wedbush Morgan Securities are saying that if the right circumstances are met, the release date of the PS3 could be pushed back until after December 2006. In a memo sent to investors, senior Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter set up a possible scenario for the delayed PS3 release;

The current generation Xbox price drops to $99 after the Xbox 360 release and Sony drop the price of the PS2 to $99. Sony’s pricing strategy could distract people from the Xbox 360 launch, Pachter stated: "We believe that the company will attempt to disrupt the Xbox 360 launch with a price cut, and as a result may succeed in diverting attention away from the higher-priced next-generation console."

A PS2 price drop to $99 would still result in a profit for each console sold as the manufacturing cost of the PS2 is less than $99. According to Michael Pachter, new consoles can be noteworthy, due to the fact that at the beginning of the consoles lifecycle they are sold at a loss. Pachter also noted that the PS2 will still cost less to make than to sell, and it would be very good for Sony to extend the life of the PS2 because that means profit for every console sold.

If Microsoft puts the Xbox price to $99 (which will be a loss to Microsoft according to Pachter), Sony would be in a clear win-win situation. The cornerstone of Pachter's theory is that Sony don’t want to disappoint the buyers and the retailers by not having sufficient units during the high-demand weeks of this December. Pachter said, "We believe that Sony suffered the ignominy of being unable to satisfy holiday [2004] demand in order to increase its gross profits over the short term."

If the PS3 launches in the 4th quarter of 2006 and suffers the same situation, Sony would be embarrassed for the second consecutive time. With no PS3's in the channel, there is no chance of a shortage in stock. The most important part in Pachter's argument is if the Xbox 360 does well early Sony will have to be working extremely hard to get the PS3 out as soon as possible. However; "Should Microsoft fail to garner sufficient software support to gain an insurmountable lead, we think that there is a possibility that the PS3 launch will slip into early 2007." After the distribution of the memo not to long ago, Pachter emphasized that he "posted the thought as an option value for Sony." Continuing, he said, "I think the 360 will do quite well."


Also in other news Universal Music Group have jumped on the Blu-Ray bandwagon, which is a major boost for Sony and the Blu-Ray format.

[infinate_ammo]

I am not the least bit excited about the 360. I really hope that the 360 is microsofts last attempt at console gaming how they even made it this far is beyond me.

[Shadows]

Looks like Sony could potentially screw over the 360. That makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Something tells me the 360 will do fairly well, so I guess we can look for PS3 very soon.

[bucket]

I'm undecided about what I want to do with the next gen consoles. I probably will wait after they all are released because I'm a pretty casual gamer. I have bought one new game in 2 years (RE4) and only own a Gamecube, :upset:.

Free online Super Smash Bros really would get my blood pumping, seeing as I can womp everyone I know. I need to unleash suicide Kirby onto the world!

I won't want to spend a ton of money on the system, so the PS3 seems out of the question. Then the 360 will be more moderately priced, but still $300+ for the system and extra for other hardware, it will be an unlikely buy aswell.

I really do like hearing that the PS2 and Xbox will be dropped to $99 after the 360's release :D. That would be a likely source of my gaming entertainment for a while.

[petepete2891]

Free SSM online would really be a cool feature and i think the Revolution will do quite well if they have the right stuff. If PS3 is £300 or less bring it on

[Amorpha]

If the 360 is a major flop then it is a possiblity that the Ps3 will be released in 2007. Well at least according to this article:
Is anyone else worried that Sony will either delay their console unnecessarily or rush it (I'm not aware of their situation so I don't know which it is, but I expect the latter) depending on how Microsoft's console goes?

[OnePartHarmony]

The 360 has an official price now. There are two variations on it. The basic one is just the console, and will run you $300. Then there's the premium one, which is the console (obviously), a detachable 20GB harddrive, wireless controller, faceplate, headset, HD AV cable, Ethernet cable, and a remote controller for when you play the DVD's on it. That one will cost $400.

But really, when you add up all the stuff the premium one has on it, it comes out to be about $229, so no luck on buying the cheap one and upgrading...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/642/642633p1.html

[infinate_ammo]

Is anyone else worried that Sony will either delay their console unnecessarily or rush it (I'm not aware of their situation so I don't know which it is, but I expect the latter) depending on how Microsoft's console goes?
As long as Hideo doesnt rush MGS4 then it should be cool.

[Shadows]

It looks like Sony has dug themselves into a hole. Apparently a single PS3 costs nearly $500 to make because of the outrageous graphics system it uses, and it's going to be extrememly hard for them to sell a PS3 at anything below $400.

[infinate_ammo]

Good I hope Sony die aswell and Sega make a new console.

[Shadows]

Good I hope Sony die aswell and Sega make a new console.
I hate you.

Sony > ALL

[Liberi Fatali]

It looks like Sony has dug themselves into a hole. Apparently a single PS3 costs nearly $500 to make because of the outrageous graphics system it uses, and it's going to be extrememly hard for them to sell a PS3 at anything below $400.
Don't believe the Microsoft fan-boy lies. Sony will not be releasing the Ps3 at $500 or above, I doubt the production costs are even that high.

No doubt the Ps3 will launch at a similar price to the 360, probably with a stripped down version at $300 and a full version at $400.

[infinate_ammo]

I hate you.

Sony > ALL
Tell me what makes sony better than all else

[Sebek]

I'll have to convince my brother to get the PS3 (sense I'm getting the 360).

Luckily my little brother is just an avid gamer as myself, and offered to split the cost for PS3. Not only this, but I solely paid for PS2 and quite a few games/accessories, so I'll be sure to sell the system and anything I don't need to try and eliminate the most from my half of the bill as possible. However I may be forced to buy it on my own anyway for the sake of privacy (and keeping my parents from trying to get involved) more or less.

[Sebek]

Don't believe the Microsoft fan-boy lies. Sony will not be releasing the Ps3 at $500 or above, I doubt the production costs are even that high.

No doubt the Ps3 will launch at a similar price to the 360, probably with a stripped down version at $300 and a full version at $400.

Actually I had read in quite a few gaming magazines that the PS3 supposidly will only cost as much as the PS2 did on it's release. Personally I can only find a slight glimmer of logic in this statement, due to technology becomming slightly less expensive because of newer technology, production easier etc. However, it is a nice little thought to cling to.

[Liberi Fatali]

Actually I had read in quite a few gaming magazines that the PS3 supposidly will only cost as much as the PS2 did on it's release. Personally I can only find a slight glimmer of logic in this statement, due to technology becomming slightly less expensive because of newer technology, production easier etc. However, it is a nice little thought to cling to.
Yeah I've been preaching that statement on here as well, but now that the Xbox 360 is confirmed to be $399 for the full package I'm sure Sony wouldn't put the full version out for $300. Sure it'd be a great advantage over the 360. But it would lose them so much revenue, and turn their profits way into the negatives.

[Sebek]

Yeah I've been preaching that statement on here as well, but now that the Xbox 360 is confirmed to be $399 for the full package I'm sure Sony wouldn't put the full version out for $300. Sure it'd be a great advantage over the 360. But it would lose them so much revenue, and turn their profits way into the negatives.

I would think that with the large following Sony has that it would be able to get away with selling it for $300. You also have to think that many many people find a large difference between 3 and 4 hundred dollars, and will refuse to pay such a price as $400, thus losing profit they could have gained from the lower price.

/all wishful thinking

[Who's the Boss?]

Nintendo always manage to have better graphics despite having less power and disc space, they put a lot of effort into making their games look amazing. However, the games are marketed to a more younger audience. Gamecube put out Resident Evil 4 which is one of the best games I've ever played, if not the best, but PS2 and X-Box had more good games.

I think the PS3 will probably be the best one in terms of game quality. I doubt I'll buy another console, but that's what I said before I bought an XBOX.

[Shadows]

I would think that with the large following Sony has that it would be able to get away with selling it for $300. You also have to think that many many people find a large difference between 3 and 4 hundred dollars, and will refuse to pay such a price as $400, thus losing profit they could have gained from the lower price.
Even with Sony's strong following, the PS3 is so expensive to manufacture that it would take an ungodly number of sales to make up for the loss. It would be ridiculous and stupid for them to sell them so cheap because they'll just be screwing themselves.

[Liberi Fatali]

I would think that with the large following Sony has that it would be able to get away with selling it for $300. You also have to think that many many people find a large difference between 3 and 4 hundred dollars, and will refuse to pay such a price as $400, thus losing profit they could have gained from the lower price.

/all wishful thinking
I don't think you understand.

For the first 2 years the Ps3's production costs will probably be higher than the revenue receieved per Ps3. This means that by selling more Ps3s they will not be making more profit, they will be going further into the negatives.

So by selling the Ps3s at $400 they will be reducing the amount of revenue losses, and providing a more secure foundation for generations to come.

Just think, if Sony sold the Playstation 3 at $300 instead of $400 per unit they would lose $100 a unit. Lets say they sell 10 million units at that price, which is quite reasonable.

10,000,000 x $100
=$1,000,000,000

I don't think it takes a genuis to figure out that Sony will not want to lose $1 billion when they don't have to.

[Shadows]

But then again, that happens no matter what. It's almost inevitable that the company will take a loss once a new console is released, so who knows how they'll play this out.

[Liberi Fatali]

But then again, that happens no matter what. It's almost inevitable that the company will take a loss once a new console is released, so who knows how they'll play this out.
With this generation all of the companies appear to be aiming for maximized profits as their economic goal. (Although Nintendo would deny that).

So if they go too far into the negatives too quickly, they wont be able to recover.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/images/accessories1.jpg

[Shadows]

The new 360 resembles images I've seen of the Revolution.

[infinate_ammo]

I dont understand how people are looking forward to the 360, I mean what is going on in their heads.... "OMG better grafiX!!!"

[magicbus]

Although I'm a proud Playstation guy, and have been for quite some time, the 360 is what I've been hearing most about. Plus I'm getting excited from all the Halo I've been playing (and will be playing come college time).

However, I'll stay true to my PS roots and check out the PS3 first.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

I dont understand how people are looking forward to the 360, I mean what is going on in their heads.... "OMG better grafiX!!!"
Yes, that is it.
But more gameplay elements will be able to be introduced at one time making for more in depth experiences.

go play ur 64 then

[Let's Chop Cats!]

http://www.winbeta.org/images/news/xbox360/general.jpg
http://www.winbeta.org/images/news/xbox360/system.jpg
http://www.winbeta.org/images/news/xbox360/core.jpg
http://www.winbeta.org/images/news/xbox360/accessories1.jpg
http://www.winbeta.org/images/news/xbox360/accessories2.jpg

[FlyingPaul_83]

what are you gonna get REINER?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Nintendo Revolution.

[CarnageFairy]

I'm probably not buying any of the new consoles because I'm saving my money to spend on a new computer/car. I'm most excited about the Revolution because Nintendo always has some pretty innovative ideas. I liked the Gamecube, personally, and the N64 before that, and my SNES when I had it, and the NES that my friend has that I would go over and play Excitebike on. I think the Xbox 360 will also be cool, as I enjoyed the Xbox.

I'm not interested in the PS3 at all. The PS2 didn't entice me at all, nor did the original PS, so I'm not all that excited about the newest one.

[Shadows]

I think the new Nintendo is going to be the best. It's going to be very revolutionary and innovative. I'll still get a PS3 though, as the other two consoles will never be able to keep up with the number of games and options of the PS3.

But since Revolution will be backwards playable all the way to NES, that may change.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

as the other two consoles will never be able to keep up with the number of games and options of the PS3.
How the hell do you know that? Nothing has even been anounced about it.

[Shadows]

How the hell do you know that? Nothing has even been anounced about it.
Is the 360 going to be backwards playable? If so, then I would be wrong. But since PS3 will go all the way back to PS1, that adds up to quite a few games to choose from.

But like I said, the Revolution is definitly going to give PS3 a run for it's money.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yes it will be backwards compatible. There is so little known about each system it is impossible to compare systems.

[Shadows]

I suppose so. Both will be producing an unknown amount of games, but I think the backwards playability does give PS3 and Revolution an edge over the 360 in terms of intial number of games, since the 360 will only be able to play 5-20 old Xbox games at first.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Revolution and 360 is what to get homeboys.

[AA-12]

I'll definitely get the 360. It's the only good one i've seen so far.

[Liberi Fatali]

Yes it will be backwards compatible. There is so little known about each system it is impossible to compare systems.
Wrong, it will be backwards compatible with the most popular games, NOT all the games.

I think the new Nintendo is going to be the best. It's going to be very revolutionary and innovative.
You can't really say that, all they've really said about it is that it will allow you to download their entire back catalogue. Nobody knows much else about it besides rumours and gossip.

I'll definitely get the 360. It's the only good one i've seen so far.
How is it better than the other two, with focus on the Playstation 3? I can't see any areas where it outdoes the Playstation 3. Please tell me how it will be better than the Playstation 3 and the Revolution.

Revolution and 360 is what to get homeboys.
Deciding what to get before any of the consoles come out is pretty stupid.

p.s I'm getting a Ps3 and a Revolution. >_>

[infinate_ammo]

I have travelled to the future and 360 sucks pretty bad and MGS4 is a letdown and Hideo tried to make one more game after it and it was lame so he quit his job. Quote me on this when the time comes.

[Tillius]

I have travelled to the future and 360 sucks pretty bad and MGS4 is a letdown and Hideo tried to make one more game after it and it was lame so he quit his job. Quote me on this when the time comes.
How did you do this? I would like to get a peek at MGS4 myself.

[Shadows]

You can't really say that, all they've really said about it is that it will allow you to download their entire back catalogue. Nobody knows much else about it besides rumours and gossip. Downloading classic Nintendo games is a huge selling point for me, as I'm sure it is for others as well.

I have travelled to the future and 360 sucks pretty bad and MGS4 is a letdown and Hideo tried to make one more game after it and it was lame so he quit his job. Quote me on this when the time comes.
I've traveled to the future too, and it's true, you're a moron.

[infinate_ammo]

Your feeble mind could not handle it

EDIT: aimed at 'Born in Darkness'

[infinate_ammo]

I've traveled to the future too, and it's true, you're a moron.
Ever thought about giving stand up comedy a try?

[Liberi Fatali]

Downloading classic Nintendo games is a huge selling point for me, as I'm sure it is for others as well.
It's a big selling point for me too, but nothing else is really known about it. The console itself could be a piece of **** compared with the other two. Anyway almost all of the classic Nintendo games can be downloaded onto your computer and used with emulators.

[Shadows]

It's a big selling point for me too, but nothing else is really known about it. The console itself could be a piece of **** compared with the other two. Anyway almost all of the classic Nintendo games can be downloaded onto your computer and used with emulators.
But for me at least there's something much more gratifying about playing the games legally on real consoles. Also, many games that were rare/unavailable as emulators will become available.

But you're right, so little is known that it may come out as a piece of **** in the longrun. We'll just have to wait and see as usual.

[bucket]

But for me at least there's something much more gratifying about playing the games legally on real consoles. Also, many games that were rare/unavailable as emulators will become available.

But you're right, so little is known that it may come out as a piece of **** in the longrun. We'll just have to wait and see as usual.

I doubt the games you can't already find on the internet will be available for download for the Revolution unless they release ALL games, which is unlikely.

[infinate_ammo]

Yes, that is it.
But more gameplay elements will be able to be introduced at one time making for more in depth experiences.

go play ur 64 then
I can imagine they will have loads of new gameplay elements such as ....
More obects to shoot on screen
More polygons in every object
64FPS
More realistic dints in cars

Can the Xbox 360 get any more indepth??
and I don't own a 64

[Scoot]

400 dollars American, 500 Canadian, 400 Eurpoean.

In all of my days I've never seen a gaming system (or two) cost that much. The article said that, in total, with all accessories, a few controllers, and three games, it would come to 900 dollars.

Start saving those pennies now.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3142883

[Zakath]

Wow thanks for updating us on the breaking news.

[Dan 1616]

279.99 gbp. It is pretty expensive, but i remember the PS2 being that much when it first came out, it'll drop soon enough.

[Zakath]

Yea I was going to preorder and get it when it first comes out, but now I'm considering just waiting for the first price drop, like maybe when the PS3 comes out because then I can get Halo 3 at the same time.

[Dan 1616]

Yea I was going to preorder and get it when it first comes out, but now I'm considering just waiting for the first price drop, like maybe when the PS3 comes out because then I can get Halo 3 at the same time.

Yeah that was pretty much my general plan of action too.

[Zakath]

Yeah that was pretty much my general plan of action too.
:thumb:

[Let's Chop Cats!]

$300 for the basic edition which is the normal price for a brand new system. So 400 isn't terrible. If I even pondered getting this I'd wait till it's like $150.

[Zakath]

Anyone who gets the $300 version is an utter moron. Have paying $40 for a 64MB memory card when $100 could have bought you a 20 gig HD + tons of other stuff.

[ThePatient]

I've never even used one, so how many game saves can fit on those 64 mb memory cards? I really like that $400 package, but I'll wait to see what games launch with it before I start saving for it.

[Zakath]

I'm not sure, but I'm putting music on it to listen to during games so 64 MB isn't a whole lot.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

No way jose.

£400 is too much.

Looks like it will only be Ninty for me at launch then...

[Dan 1616]

No way jose.

£400 is too much.

Looks like it will only be Ninty for me at launch then...

Its 279.99 pounds.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Oh, that sounds ok i guess.

Yeah, i'll get it i think.

Unless PS3 looks much better.

Which i doubt.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Bump.

So, what do you guysn think of the 360 ?

I'm liking it and it comes out at a really conveniant time, i really want xbox live and it doesn't seem to be too expensive.

[FlyingPaul_83]

So, Not too long till the Xbox 360 comes out right?

Doesn't it come out in November?

[Ramsey]

November 4th maybe

[SoleFactionBassist]

If it's $400 in the US and Europe it'll be $600 when it launches here in Australia so stop whining about the prices. We atill have to wait up to 6 months after the first world release to get the 360.

[Liberi Fatali]

In the Q&A session held at the GDC europe event. SCEE Vice President, Phil Harrison stated that it is highly unlikely for Sony to cause confusion among its customers by creating multiple SKU's, a la Microsoft.

Just last month, the giant corporation revealed the official price structure for Xbox360's two seperate SKU's. The 'Core System' without the Hard disk for $299 and a Premium version with all the goodies intact for $399.

Phil Harrison, in his personal view, criticised Microsoft's decision to market multiple choices of one console. When he was asked whether Sony might try a similar route as that of Microsoft. His reply, "Unlikely", sounding quite affirmative about it.

This is how he explained his company's approach compared to Microsoft's, "Are there two versions of the Xbox 360 that people want to buy, is my question," he continued. "I don't know."

"This is my personal view, not my corporate view, but when I look at those formats, I think it just confuses the audience. They don't know which one to buy, developers don't know which one to create for, and retailers don't know which one to stock. So I think we wouldn't take that strategy. We wouldn't create confusion."

Although Harrison didn't support the idea of creating multiple versions of a single console. He did suggest that in the future, Sony's approach with the PS3 might as well include interesting options for its customers.

"There have been various versions and variants of PlayStations in the past - some run through the hardware and some through the software, and that's worked pretty well for us, offering different value propositions to the consumer. Exactly what we do with the launch? Too early to tell."

When asked if he'd like to share any thoughts regarding the price of the upcoming console. He said it would not be a very wise move on his part as it is still too early with respect to the suggested launch of PS3 in Spring 2006.

Interesting...

[Let's Chop Cats!]

http://www.planetxbox360.com/images/news/xbl_1.jpg
12 Month Premium Gold Pack


* 12 month XBL subscription
* A communicator headset
* Xbox Live arcade game: "Billiards"
* $20 discount on a games purchase
* 200 points in the XBL marketplace


Price: US$69.99

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12 Month Gold Card


* 12 month XBL subscription
* 1 month of XBL free


Price: US$59.99

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3 Month Premium Gold Pack


* 3 month XBL subscription
* A communicator headset
* Xbox Live arcade game: "Joust"
* $10 discount on a games purchase
* 100 points in the XBL marketplace


Price: US$39.99

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3 Month Gold Card


* 3 month XBL subscription


Price: US$19.99

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1 Month Gold Card


* 1 month XBL subscription


Price: US$7.99

[FlyingPaul_83]

thats a good price for 12 months

[Mr. Ron]

Bah, I'm sticking with the PS3.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

the Xbox 360 will launch on Tuesday, November 22 in North America, Friday, December 2 in Europe, and Saturday, December 10 in Japan.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/news/2005...launchdates.htm

"Newsflash:
Xbox 360 Launch Dates Announced!

Tokyo—Fueling global anticipation for the arrival of its powerful new video game and entertainment system, Microsoft® today announced that Xbox 360™ will arrive on store shelves Tuesday, November 22 in North America, Friday, December 2 in Europe, and Saturday, December 10 in Japan. The announcement, made on the eve of Tokyo Game Show 2005, marked the first time that a game console will be launched in three territories in the same time frame. In preparation for what is expected to be massive worldwide demand for the new system, Microsoft also announced that Xbox 360 manufacturing is under way, with state-of-the-art facilities producing millions of units ultimately bound for frenzied gamers' homes from Osaka, Japan, to Oxford, England, and Orlando, Fla.

"This holiday season, gamers in Japan, Europe and North America pining to experience jaw-dropping high-definition graphics, unmatched online play and compelling digital entertainment features of Xbox 360 will finally have the chance," said Robbie Bach, chief Xbox officer for Microsoft. "Renowned development studios around the world are busy putting the finishing touches on their Xbox 360 games. We expect a strong portfolio of titles on launch day and through the holidays that will appeal to fans of every genre and gamers in every region, and with more than 200 games currently in development, continuous new additions to the library are on the way."

Bach and other Microsoft executives, headlining a series of events that open Tokyo Game Show, will detail the company's strategy for success in Japan. More than 40 publishers in Japan, including Bandai Co. Ltd., Capcom Co. Ltd., Koei Co. Ltd., Konami Corp., Namco Ltd., Sega Corp., Square Enix Co. Ltd. and Tecmo Ltd., have pledged their support for Xbox 360, joining the ranks of the best publishers from around the world. As the ultimate canvas for game developers, Xbox 360 will inspire a new wave of innovation in gameplay, storytelling and artistry never before seen in video games.

Promising to capture the imagination of Japanese gamers, new titles and established franchises such as Dead or Alive® 4, Ridge Racer 6, NINETY-NINE NIGHTS™, Dead Rising, and FINAL FANTASY® XI will be available on Xbox 360 in the months to come. With support for high-definition output with anti-aliasing, and Dolby® 5.1 surround sound, all Xbox 360 games will deliver smooth, cinematic experiences that scream off the screen.

In addition to the impressive lineup of titles both in Japan and around the world, you'll soon be able to enjoy the next generation of the Xbox Live® service, the Emmy®-award-winning online games and entertainment network. With Xbox 360 and the Xbox Live service, you can play online in a community of millions, connect with friends using voice and video chat, download new content, build online profiles and experience new modes of entertainment. Xbox 360 is also the ultimate amplifier for music, movies and photos stored on an array of devices including MP3 players, digital cameras and Microsoft® Windows® XP-based PCs. The console makes it easy for you to enjoy all their digital content in the living room, on the best TV and speakers in the house.

Tokyo Game Show marks the first time that consumers will be able to experience the power of Xbox 360 firsthand. A number of key titles will be on display at the Xbox 360 booth:

(eM)-eNCHANT-arM (FromSoftware Inc.)
Bomberman — Act Zero (Hudson Soft Co. Ltd.)
Call of Duty® 2 (Activision Inc.)
CHROMEHOUNDS (Sega)
Dead Rising (Capcom)
Dynasty Warriors 5 Special (Koei Co. Ltd.)
Everyparty (Microsoft Game Studios)
Far East of Eden — Ziria (Hudson Soft)
FINAL FANTASY XI (Square Enix Co. Ltd.)
Frame City Killer™ (Namco)
Gears of War™ (Microsoft Game Studios)
Kameo™: Elements of Power™ (Microsoft Game Studios)
Mobile Suit Gundam (working title) (Bandai Co. Ltd.)
Need for Speed Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
NINETY-NINE NIGHTS (Microsoft Game Studios)
The Outfit™ (THQ)
Project Gotham Racing® 3 (Microsoft Game Studios)
Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
Ridge Racer 6 (Namco)
Rumble Roses XX (working title) (Konami)
Shutoku Battle (working title) (Genki Co. Ltd.)
Sonic the Hedgehog (Sega)
Saint's Row™ (THQ)
Test Drive Unlimited (Atari Inc.)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter™ (Ubisoft Entertainment)
World Air Force (tentative title) (Taito Corp.)
Wrestle Kingdom (Yuke's Co. Ltd.)
Microsoft also announced Japanese pricing of Xbox 360. Japanese gamers looking for the ultimate digital entertainment thrill ride and best value right out of the box may purchase an Xbox 360 system, which comes fully loaded with a 20GB detachable Xbox 360 Hard Drive for storing music, video and games, an Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, an Xbox 360 Media Remote control, an Xbox 360 Headset, a Component HD-AV Cable for connecting to component and composite television inputs, an Ethernet cable, and batteries, at 37,900 JPY."


I'll make an official Xbox360 thread about a week prior to the release.

[Ramsey]

Well, change my vote to Revolution and PS3. The Revolutions controllers are great. I love it.

[mightygod]

Well, change my vote to Revolution and PS3. The Revolutions controllers are great. I love it.

All the fps will be swithced to revolution. Really i didnt think that nintendo would come with something as cool as that, just hope that sony and microsoft dont copy the controllers as they did with the rumble pak and the analog stick.

[bucket]

All the fps will be swithced to revolution. Really i didnt think that nintendo would come with something as cool as that, just hope that sony and microsoft dont copy the controllers as they did with the rumble pak and the analog stick.

I think it's much too late in the game for anyone to successfully copy and apply that controller type to their system... for now.

[Turkish]

360...can't wait for it.

[mightygod]

I think it's much too late in the game for anyone to successfully copy and apply that controller type to their system... for now.

nah, they just can wait a few months an go like, "look, new ps3 and xbox controllers!!one", sony did it with the dual shock, i dont think it would be much that of a work releasing new versions of x box and ps that can handle this technology, since they´re both massive companies, its just about the morals.

[Mr. Ron]

I'm only getting PS3. MGS4 pwns every game.

[Liberi Fatali]

I find the controllers quite interesting this generation, and I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the companies having to release a redesign of their controller, much like the Xbox Controller S.

The companies have gone in very different directions with the controllers, with Nintendo going for a well revolutionary controller while Sony has scrapped their tried and true Dual Shock controller for something that looks ugly but could well be bloody comfortable. Remember back when the Ps1 was relased everybody critized the Playstation controllers, and said they looked uncomfortable. Now people are crying out at Sony for even thinking of changing the controllers.

Xbox on the other hand has gone with a rather boring approach in my mind, quite risk free. Although this seems to be the case with most of the Xbox 360's features, a safer cheaper disc format, two console versions and not trying out any risky new technology like the Cell or the Revolution's whacky controller.

Microsofts plan has been disapointing in my eyes.

I'm only getting PS3. MGS4 pwns every game.
I'm getting giddy already. :)

[Let's Chop Cats!]

PlayStation 3 Software Lineup Revealed
Sep 16, 2005 @ 4:26pm
Summary: While having no playables at the show, Sony promised a whopping 102 upcoming titles.
Full: Sony's PlayStation 3 was a no-show in terms of playables, but Sony has shown itself to have widespread support from software developers, revealing that 102 games are in the pipeline from 71 publishers.

The sequel heavy lineup includes previously unannounced titles including Brothers in Arms 3, Blade Storm: Hundred Years War (action game from Dynasty Warrior's Omega Force), a racing game called Fatal Inertia (Koei's answer to Burnout?), and Armored Core 4 for PlayStation 3.

Some of the games on the horizon include:

Acquire
New historical action game

Arc System Works
BB (working title), next-generation fighting game tool

Artdink
Bipedal Movement Simulation, Simulation
Aquanote no Kyujitsu: Inner Mind Adventure, mind adventure

Astroll
Seikan (working title), survival

Atari
Alone in the Dark sequel, action adventure
Stuntman (working title), driving action
Driver 5 (working title), driving action

Atlus
Shin Megami Tensei series, RPG

Bandai
Anime game, TBA Mobile Suit Gundam (working title), action
Unnamed robot action game, action

Banpresto
Super Robot series, TBA

Capcom
Action game
Devil May Cry 4, stylish action
Biohazard 5, survival horror

Cavia
Unnamed action RPG

CyberFront
Simulation game, growth simulation
Simulation game, management simulation
Puzzle game

Success
RPG
Hitsuji Mura (working title), simulation D3 Publisher
Dark Sector, shooting action
Fighting action game

Datam Polystar
Unnamed adventure game

Digital Gain
Naxat Plan (working title), adventure

Eidosp
Unnamed action game

Electronic Arts
Fight Night (working title), sports

Enterbrain
Derby Stallion (working title), breeding

Entertainment Software Publishing
Unnamed action game

Ertain
TBA, action

From Software
Armored Core 4, action
Dark RPG (working title), RPG
Black Blade (working title), action

Genki
Japanese sword fighting series, action
Racing game series, racing game

Global A. Entertainment
Comical history action
Comical history stimulation

GoodNavigate
Mystery adventure game

Gust
Unnamed RPG

Hamster
Management simulation game

Hudson
Unnamed RPG
Bomberman, action
Rengoku: The End of the Century, action RPG

Idea Factory
Shin Ten Makai VI (working title), simulation RPG

Interchannel
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[FlyingPaul_83]

wow quite a number of RPGs. Thats awesome, can't wait.

[Jonny]

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=11692
PS3:
...indications are that a Japanese launch would be first - around April or May, with European and US launches following later in the year, or early in 2007.
May have another year to wait.

[Liberi Fatali]

They'll no doubt release it in October or November 2006 in Europe and the US, so that then they'll hit the christmas rush. I highly doubt they'd throw away all those sales and release it in early '07, just doesn't make sense.

[Jonny]

That's true. Although I'd bet they'd release it in November 2006 in the US, and the poor little UK will get it in 2007. That's the way things work. The UK doesn't matter.

[Kif]

Meh, the 360 comes out here 2 weeks after the American release I think, which suirs me fine.

[Angry Balled Fists!]

Yup, the PS3 won't suit me at all i don't think.

[Arucard]

The only reason i would get a PS3 would be for the Gundam series, i think they might actually make them good for once.

But still, im a Revolution man myself.

[Master Arkam Kannon]

the ps3 game list is really uninteresting, sure they have tons of games, but none of them are really appealling, and none jump out at you. plus most are sequel with better graphics, why would i want the same game over and over without a new way too experience it. Case and Point Super Mario World then Mario 64, sure, its a sequel but its not the same game at all.

[Liberi Fatali]

That's true. Although I'd bet they'd release it in November 2006 in the US, and the poor little UK will get it in 2007. That's the way things work. The UK doesn't matter.
The UK isn't the only part of the PAL region, you shouldn't be complaining when Australia and New Zealand often get games after everybody, including the Brits.

the ps3 game list is really uninteresting, sure they have tons of games, but none of them are really appealling, and none jump out at you. plus most are sequel with better graphics, why would i want the same game over and over without a new way too experience it. Case and Point Super Mario World then Mario 64, sure, its a sequel but its not the same game at all.
Most of the Xbox 360 games are all just sequels as well, with not much variety. While I'd dare someone to name the Revolution's lineup. The Xbox 360 has more confirmed 'original' games because they are so close to their launch, while Ps3 still has a ton of time until it is released and a lot of time for new games to be announced.

Edit: Notice how in the Ps3 lineup there are tons of un-named games, a lot of those are no doubt 'original' games rather than sequels.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

While I'd dare someone to name the Revolution's lineup.
Zelda, Mario, Metroid. Besides the fact that this is a given, they are all in development for Revolution despite very little details on the subject. And those 3 games are enough for me to buy it.

[Master Arkam Kannon]

Zelda, Mario, Metroid. Besides the fact that this is a given, they are all in development for Revolution despite very little details on the subject. And those 3 games are enough for me to buy it.

Sure, everything is speculation, but Super Smash Bros 3 is most likely a launch title for Revolution.

but the thing about sequels for Nintendo, they're not making really sequels, they're making entirely different ways to play the same character, not just a different plot or better graphics, that's my argument.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Which is what makes those games better than the crap that get's churned out with a 2 or 3 at the end of the title.

[Ramsey]

The UK isn't the only part of the PAL region, you shouldn't be complaining when Australia and New Zealand often get games after everybody, including the Brits.
Don't forget the entire Middle East is PAL. Yes it matters we are big gamers. XD

[Liberi Fatali]

but the thing about sequels for Nintendo, they're not making really sequels, they're making entirely different ways to play the same character, not just a different plot or better graphics, that's my argument.
But there aren't very many of them, most of Nintendo's other games are just sequels like Madden, Resident Evil etc.

Don't forget the entire Middle East is PAL. Yes it matters we are big gamers. XD
I'm surprised, I wouldn't think the gaming culture would be very big over there. What are you doing playing games anyway Ramso? I thought you were supposed to be out partying every night. :-*

[infinate_ammo]

I think the PS3 is going to fail.

[Zakath]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/
look at the poll

hahaha option E is in close running

[infinate_ammo]

And we all know how highly intellectual the users of the gamefaqs forums are

[Crapdragoon]

Is the ps3 hardware comparable to a top of the line pc(of current technology i mean)? or is teh ps3 more reet? :p

[DJ Ducksauce]

But there aren't very many of them, most of Nintendo's other games are just sequels like Madden, Resident Evil etc. Yeah, but those are also produced by third parties and will likely be on the other consoles.

[Liberi Fatali]

Yeah, but those are also produced by third parties and will likely be on the other consoles.
I know they are, he said the sequels on Nintendo consoles aren't really like sequels. When really they are, just like the other consoles. Of course there are Nintendo-produced exceptions, but there aren't many of them.

[DJ Ducksauce]

I know they are, he said the sequels on Nintendo consoles aren't really like sequels. When really they are, just like the other consoles. Of course there are Nintendo-produced exceptions, but there aren't many of them.
Ok. I gotcha. I misunderstood your post. :thumb:

[Sebek]

Odds are they'll charge you like 50 bucks and you can download all the games you want, or like 200 games or something. 5 bucks for 10 games.


I'd do that in a heartbeat, my friends and I are all big on the old SNES and NES games, a few N64 titles wouldn't hurt either. :thumb:

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Is the ps3 hardware comparable to a top of the line pc(of current technology i mean)? or is teh ps3 more reet? :p
Hah PC > Consoles always, tech wise.

[infinate_ammo]

Way PC's have lame as graphics. Ever played Doom? The graphics in that suck!

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Is that a joke or something? Your grammar confuses me.

[RyMac59]

what do you think the final name for the revolution will be?

[DJ Ducksauce]

I like the name Revolution. As long as it's not something as bad as Gamecube.

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

I like the name Revolution. As long as it's not something as bad as Gamecube.
Gamecube wasn't even that bad of a name.

[DJ Ducksauce]

Gamecube wasn't even that bad of a name.
Yeah, but it could have been better.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Better than it's codename, 'dolphin'.

[DJ Ducksauce]

Better than it's codename, 'dolphin'.
Wow, that does make GC sound a lot better.

[RyMac59]

Revolution is more appropriate than for any console, anyway.
i hope they just keep the name revolution

[Amorpha]

Yeah, but it could have been better.
'play station' 'x box' 'game cube'

all are awful names if you think about it

[Jesus Loves P0RN]

Play station is the best. X-Box and Gamecube weren't so great.

[espjunkie]

What's the difference between the System and the Core Sytem?
I know for sure, that one is cheaper and one is price a bit higher, but in terms of graphics and accessories. Btw, are they giving games when you buy the console?

[(>dragon~guitarist<)]

If you are talking about the diffrent prices ($300 & $400(?)) then they have different accessories in the different packs. The more expensive one comes with the wireless controller, the $300 one doesnt. The expensive comes with a dvd remote thing, hard drive etc. the $300 one doesnt. and no they dont give you games, unless you buy a bundle from like gamestop or something.

[Benzum]

The graphics and performance should stay exactly the same though right?

[(>dragon~guitarist<)]

Yes, its the same, but if you have the hard-drive (comes with the $400) it will be able to play CERTAIN xbox games/be backward compatible (games like Halo, Halo 2, DOA3, etc.)

[Benzum]

Yes, its the same, but if you have the hard-drive (comes with the $400) it will be able to play CERTAIN xbox games/be backward compatible (games like Halo, Halo 2, DOA3, etc.)

Ah I see, well seeing as I already have an Xbox, I think I would go for the cheaper option :D

[(>dragon~guitarist<)]

Ah I see, well seeing as I already have an Xbox, I think I would go for the cheaper option :D

good show haha same here

[andyhainey]

im gonna buy a 360, tis gonna be goooood

[Kurrpt]

get the harddrive. You know they require it down the road...

[Audiopond]

It all runs the same but I think if you get just the system itself you have to buy the HD seperate.

[Kurrpt]

you do, and you know they will screw you down the road for them...

i actually got a mag with all the differces listed, but theres not enough interest in this thread for me to type all that sh!t out

[Hep Kat]

i just reserved the $400 package



even though i abhorrently hate the xbox 1

[Kurrpt]

i dont like it enough from the launch to pay 400 + games for the bitch


i mean i could get it at a drop of a hat at any time (Credit card), but ill wait till they have at least 2 games i WANT

[Vaporguts]

xbox 360 = to much $$$

[Scoot]

xbox 360 = to much $$$

ps3 = twice as expensive

[Hep Kat]

revolution = $250 at most

[moe.]

revolution = $250 at most
Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.

[Scoot]

Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.

Twilight Princess isn't even on the Revolution.

[Krabsworth]

I bet 360's will cause more *** traffic at Best Buy than anything before.

[FlyingPaul_83]

Bumped so people can ask their Xbox 360 questions in here.

While The PS3 WILL be the console I get, I'm seriously considering getting the Revolution. It looks great.

[Amorpha]

Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Rusty Metal Head]

sod it im getting the hard drive. Like Kurrptsenate said, theyll screw us over for one seperatly.

[FlyingPaul_83]

you guys should take this to the Next Gen console discussion thread.

[Tillius]

What games are coming out for the 360?

[Chanandler Bong]

Can you not go to a website called www.ebgames.com and take a look?

[ThePatient]

Well, I think I came to the conclusion today that I'll get a 360 asap.

1. My Xbox is on its last legs.
2. I will have a bit of expendable income.
3. I've never gotten a system within a year and a half (closer to two) years of its launch.

The only things I have to decide are what games I'll get. PD and Madden maybe? Or maybe PD and Project Gotham (since I already have Madden)? We will see...

[Sebek]

ps3 = twice as expensive


I didn't think they had a price for PS3 yet:confused:

[RyMac59]

Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.
zeldas on GC

what about super smash brothers revolution and im sure they'll have a mario game at launch as always. also metroid prime 3

[Liberi Fatali]

ps3 = twice as expensive
You don't know that so please do not spread your fanboy lies. Ps3 will not be anywhere near as expensive as that.

[Master Arkam Kannon]

Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.

wrong first of all. nintendo hasnt announced any games officially yet. For all we know third party support could be astoundingly better then its been since SNES.

PS3 doesnt have a price yet. Mircosoft is scared, that's why they released it so early, they needed to swell the market before the others just to sell anything. If PS3 came out the same time as Xbox 360 who do you think would win in sales? Xbox 360 has one system seller, with nothing else but sequels and glitter games.

Xbox had one game, and they stole it from the Mac. Xbox only succeeded because they have the money to keep it going. They dont innovate, or make attempt to. I dont want a system like that, i dont want stagent empty words and graphics, i want to blow things up with a new sense of joy.

[red barchetta]

zeldas on GC

what about super smash brothers revolution and im sure they'll have a mario game at launch as always. also metroid prime 3
smash brothers online :D

[Ramsey]

Revolution = Zelda, ... oh wait. That's the only good game.
gtfo of this thread faggot

[Ganondorf]

Nintendo once again lead in gaming innovation.....

[Crapdragoon]

Anyone see one of them 360 kiosks walmart and gamestop are said to have already? i stoped by a few local walmarts and gamestops, nothing yet, but in less than a month is what all the people at game stop were sayin

[PunkinDonuts]

Hardware wise the Gamecube was better than the PS2, but weaker than the XBOX considering the fact that the XBOX is the size of a refridgerator.


The XBOX 360 graphics wise looks no better than Splinter Cell, or Doom 3. Even the new DOA game looks exactly like the XBOX one. Do you remember the jump from PS1 to PS2?!? THAT is next gen! The XBOX 360 was obviously rushed, and is going to suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast unless it has amazing software, and a good online program. I wouldn't count on Halo 3 being very good either, because the way Bill Gates talks about it, it seems nothing more than a compitition with the PS3.


The PS3 is going to be too expensive at launch, and the XBOX 360 isn't worth the 400 bucks plus 70 dollars for each game, so thats why I'm looking forward to the revolution the most.

[Liberi Fatali]

Hardware wise the Gamecube was better than the PS2, but weaker than the XBOX considering the fact that the XBOX is the size of a refridgerator.
In some aspects the PS2 is superior while in other areas the Gamecube is better.


The XBOX 360 graphics wise looks no better than Splinter Cell, or Doom 3. Even the new DOA game looks exactly like the XBOX one. Do you remember the jump from PS1 to PS2?!? THAT is next gen! The XBOX 360 was obviously rushed, and is going to suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast unless it has amazing software, and a good online program. I wouldn't count on Halo 3 being very good either, because the way Bill Gates talks about it, it seems nothing more than a compitition with the PS3.
They do look better, they just don't look good enough.

The PS3 is going to be too expensive at launch, and the XBOX 360 isn't worth the 400 bucks plus 70 dollars for each game, so thats why I'm looking forward to the revolution the most.
You have no idea how much the Ps3 is going to be at launch, reports have said that the Playstation 3 will be released at the same price as the Xbox 360, or around $50 cheaper.

This is pure speculation but I believe the Playstation 3 will come in one standard version at around $350US, as Microsoft will drop the price of the Xbox 360 and Sony will want to directly compete. Of course that is just my guess, and will no doubt be wrong.

[PunkinDonuts]

You have no idea how much the Ps3 is going to be at launch, reports have said that the Playstation 3 will be released at the same price as the Xbox 360, or around $50 cheaper.

This is pure speculation but I believe the Playstation 3 will come in one standard version at around $350US, as Microsoft will drop the price of the Xbox 360 and Sony will want to directly compete. Of course that is just my guess, and will no doubt be wrong.

I heard that the PS3 is going to have a BLU-RAY player on it, which is the next gen DVD player. That technology alone is going to make it more than 500 dollars. Remember how much DVD players were when they first came out?

[Liberi Fatali]

I heard that the PS3 is going to have a BLU-RAY player on it, which is the next gen DVD player. That technology alone is going to make it more than 500 dollars. Remember how much DVD players were when they first came out?
The Playstation 3 uses Blue-Ray technology yes, but you have to remember that the DVD format was relatively expensive when the Playstation 2 was released and it was still sold at a competitive price ($299 US).

There is no doubt about it, Sony will be selling the Playstation 3 console at a loss, it is typical for a company to lose money for every console sold for the first year or two of a console's life. It is only when production costs come down that they will make profit.

The Sony Playstation 3 will not be released for $500 US or more, it will be released much closer to it's predecessors' price tag. I'd say in the range of $300-$400 US.

[Audiopond]

I think the PS3 will end up being the best because they can see what happens with the Xbox 360 and go from there.

[RyMac59]

Hardware wise the Gamecube was better than the PS2, but weaker than the XBOX considering the fact that the XBOX is the size of a refridgerator.


The XBOX 360 graphics wise looks no better than Splinter Cell, or Doom 3. Even the new DOA game looks exactly like the XBOX one. Do you remember the jump from PS1 to PS2?!? THAT is next gen! The XBOX 360 was obviously rushed, and is going to suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast unless it has amazing software, and a good online program. I wouldn't count on Halo 3 being very good either, because the way Bill Gates talks about it, it seems nothing more than a compitition with the PS3.


The PS3 is going to be too expensive at launch, and the XBOX 360 isn't worth the 400 bucks plus 70 dollars for each game, so thats why I'm looking forward to the revolution the most.
Yeah but realize there isnt as much room for improvement. The step up from ps1/n64 games to current gen was obvious. They went from blocky models to smoother more realistic ones. But some games today look extremely realistic. The imrpovements now are much more subtle than they were in the last jump. Although there is a lot of lighting and shading and texture improvements they can still add.

[infinate_ammo]

Nintendo realised there wasnt much room for improvement, so they improved on something else. What Nintendo have done with the revolution is brilliant.

[Crapdragoon]

Yeah but realize there isnt as much room for improvement. The step up from ps1/n64 games to current gen was obvious. They went from blocky models to smoother more realistic ones. But some games today look extremely realistic. The imrpovements now are much more subtle than they were in the last jump. Although there is a lot of lighting and shading and texture improvements they can still add.


Right, what they can now really expand on now is pure gameplay, in the sense of how imersive(sp?) you can wrap yourself into a game (if you dont understand what i mean, for example test drive unlimited, for xbox 360, lets you drive around all of hawaii, alllows you to purcahse homes, and not only drive cars, but motorcycles too)

[Jonny]

You can't really have such a huge improvement over graphics in this gen, considering they're pretty damn good right now. For PS3 and 360, the next gen is gonna be all about how big a game world you can make, and how many polygons you can fit on a person.

But just imagine the generation after the new one. What are they gonna do then? Are they gonna continue trying to squeeze and extra billion polygons on a person or what?

[Crapdragoon]

You can't really have such a huge improvement over graphics in this gen, considering they're pretty damn good right now. For PS3 and 360, the next gen is gonna be all about how big a game world you can make, and how many polygons you can fit on a person.

But just imagine the generation after the new one. What are they gonna do then? Are they gonna continue trying to squeeze and extra billion polygons on a person or what?


Yeah, when are they gonna hit the peak?

[Liberi Fatali]

Yeah, when are they gonna hit the peak? We won't see a peak in graphics for a long time yet, if ever. The only way it will peak is if it reaches the quality of visuals that is 100% true to life.

However the improvement in graphics will slow down (in terms of our perception of how good the graphics are).

[Jonny]

We won't see a peak in graphics for a long time yet, if ever. The only way it will peak is if it reaches the quality of visuals that is 100% true to life.

However the improvement in graphics will slow down (in terms of our perception of how good the graphics are).
True. The leap from NES to SNES was pretty big, the leap from SNES to N64 was huge, the leap from 64 to GC was pretty big- but now the leaps are getting smaller. And eventually the leap wont be large enough to warrant releasing a new console if the graphics are only slightly improved.

[AA-12]

About a month away from getting my XBOX306 :)

I really can't wait for Dead Rising.

[infinate_ammo]

We won't see a peak in graphics for a long time yet, if ever. The only way it will peak is if it reaches the quality of visuals that is 100% true to life.

However the improvement in graphics will slow down (in terms of our perception of how good the graphics are).
I really don't want to see real life graphics, it will make games look bland and dull.

[Jonny]

I really don't want to see real life graphics, it will make games look bland and dull.
I agree. I play games to escape from real life. Not to mimic it. Thank God for Nintendo, eh?

[infinate_ammo]

Not just Nintendo, many games allow us to escape. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe real life graphics will be great, but I honestly don't think there will be a need to improve graphics after this next generation.
The generation after this one everyone will probably be competing to see who makes the weirdest control pad, this is where Nintendo have a head start and Sony and Microsoft fail, fail because they are have the innovation of a stick. I mean look at microsoft, they call their new console the 360. WTF KIND OF NAME IS THAT!!! Now look at Sony, they call there 3rd console the Playstation 3, great name fellas, must have takin a fair bit of crack to think up that one. These ****wits can't even name a console, I can't to see them try and make an innovative control pad.

[Liberi Fatali]

Not just Nintendo, many games allow us to escape. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe real life graphics will be great, but I honestly don't think there will be a need to improve graphics after this next generation. As I said earlier there is still a great deal of improvement that be made over the current and next generation's graphics. As the improvements in graphics slow down (in terms of our perception) then there will be less emphasis placed on graphics and more on gameplay, innovation and new technologies.

The generation after this one everyone will probably be competing to see who makes the weirdest control pad, this is where Nintendo have a head start and Sony and Microsoft fail, fail because they are have the innovation of a stick. Sony and Microsoft will not fail because Nintendo have a slight 'head start' on them. When Sony came into the gaming market Nintendo had a huge lead in every aspect of the industry yet Sony still managed to massively outsell it in that generation and the current generation.

Anyway the console producers won't just compete to have crazier controllers, there will be a number of factors that will contribute to which consoles will win the sales wars.

I mean look at microsoft, they call their new console the 360. WTF KIND OF NAME IS THAT!!! Now look at Sony, they call there 3rd console the Playstation 3, great name fellas, must have takin a fair bit of crack to think up that one. These ****wits can't even name a console, I can't to see them try and make an innovative control pad. I think it is quite stupid to criticise Microsoft or Sony for having unoriginal console names. Anyway the Revolution isn't even the confirmed name for the Nintendo console (to my knowledge), and Nintendo have had some pretty lame console names in the past, Nintendo 64, NES, SNES, Nintendo Gamecube, Nintendo Gameboy then the Nintendo Gameboy Colour then the Nintendo Gameboy Advance. Really original.

[Mr. Ron]

Not just Nintendo, many games allow us to escape. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe real life graphics will be great, but I honestly don't think there will be a need to improve graphics after this next generation.
The generation after this one everyone will probably be competing to see who makes the weirdest control pad, this is where Nintendo have a head start and Sony and Microsoft fail, fail because they are have the innovation of a stick. I mean look at microsoft, they call their new console the 360. WTF KIND OF NAME IS THAT!!! Now look at Sony, they call there 3rd console the Playstation 3, great name fellas, must have takin a fair bit of crack to think up that one. These ****wits can't even name a console, I can't to see them try and make an innovative control pad.
Seriously. You are like the Hitler of videogame criticism. Calm down.

[Phantom Elite]

What difference is there between the Premium and Core packages? I am sorry if this has already been asked. Please keep it serious.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

The $299 version will come bare with a wired controller, while the $399 version will have a 20GB drive, wireless controller, headset, and remote. I think that is the main compenents.

[infinate_ammo]

Seriously. You are like the Hitler of videogame criticism. Calm down.
Zieg Hail Bitch

[Sebek]

Do they have any announced prices for the PS3 yet? I havn't heard anything but it's quite possible that I missed it.

[infinate_ammo]

Supposidly the rev will be released within the next 14 weeks.

[Master Arkam Kannon]

Supposidly the rev will be released within the next 14 weeks.

not at all true, 14 weeks is the time in which it will be released globally in all markets. its not going to be released till after march 31st.

[infinate_ammo]

Damn them bastads and there word trickery.
Good article for those interested in the revolution, http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145192