Nine Inch Nails

[Magicaltroll]

Wow... i cant wait for this album! they released the tracklist on nin.com if you didnt know :thumb: also a teaser... the teaser is very... teasy, but it sounds like a pretty cool song.

what do you guys think this album will be like?
i thought it was very weird that they have two songs with the word "love" in the song titles... nothing wrong with it, its just kind of weird, and should be interesting to hear.

well if anyymore news comes out, it would be cool of you to post it here, thanks in advance :)

[Magicaltroll]

wow, no ones looking forward to this album? i thought everyone would be excited about it (well the NIN fans...)

[Bartender]

I'm looking forward to hearing the album, but a tracklist isn't really much to go on. None of the titles particularly strike me, anyway, but then I never thought lyrics were his strong point.

[Kage]

I'm extremley excited. When I think of it, I act like a giddy little girl.

But seriously, it's awesome that he posted the tracklist. That just confirms that it's getting down to the final period of waiting after five years of doing so. The teaser was really cool, and that song just sounds awesome, though I have no idea how it will fit into the album (or even the song) based on what The Fragile's teasers turned out to be. The word is that the clip on the teaser is from The Hand That Feeds, which will be the first single planned for an April release, I believe.

In the mean time, I'll just keep binging on the other NIN albums.

Also, does anyone know if the Closure DVD is going to be coming out with the new album?

The other thing I'm waiting to hear about is if he's going to release the 5.1 mix with the album, or wait until later (as the album was mixed in both stereo and 5.1)

[BlindWriting]

With Teeth will be released with both stereo and 5.1 surround sound. I simply cannot wait for this album. I second Bartender about none of the song titles looking to intruiging... but hey, at least it's a total of thirteen songs as opposed to the rumored track list of twelve.
And no, the Closure DVD will not be released with the new album. Trent Reznor says that it has been done for some time, but due to legal issues, he can't get it out to the public just yet.
I'd definitely like to see them live, because when Trent performs his music with a band, it rocks really, really hard.

[Kage]

I think The Collector is a really cool name. Despite what Trent has been saying ("twelve punches to the face" (although as we know now, it would rather be 13)), I hope the album is at least somewhat conceptual, as TDS and The Fragile were both very intriguing with their concepts and thematic material, such as the recurring motifs in both albums.

[Magicaltroll]

I'm extremley excited. When I think of it, I act like a giddy little girl.

But seriously, it's awesome that he posted the tracklist. That just confirms that it's getting down to the final period of waiting after five years of doing so. The teaser was really cool, and that song just sounds awesome, though I have no idea how it will fit into the album (or even the song) based on what The Fragile's teasers turned out to be. The word is that the clip on the teaser is from The Hand That Feeds, which will be the first single planned for an April release, I believe.

In the mean time, I'll just keep binging on the other NIN albums.

Also, does anyone know if the Closure DVD is going to be coming out with the new album?

The other thing I'm waiting to hear about is if he's going to release the 5.1 mix with the album, or wait until later (as the album was mixed in both stereo and 5.1)


yeah i know what you mean about the NIN binging, ive been listening to the fragile and TDS nonstop ever since about November, i just cant wait for this album... the tracklist i think is pretty cool, im looking forward to hearing "only" because it sounds like a song like "hurt" or "great below" or "something i can never have". and i just love those songs...

and to the guy who said lyrics arent his strong point, i completely disagree, he has some of the best lyrics in my pinion, i mean, the music helps it ALOT, but the lyrics are jsut plain awesome to me :thumb:

[Kage]

I do hope there are some Hurt/Great Below/Something...-style songs on the new record. I mean, I love the fast-paced, heavy stuff, but I'd say the best moments are the slower and more beautiful ones. I doubt Trent will let us down, as he hasn't yet. The clip in the trailer sounds very promising. It's very atmospheric and dark, which is exactly what I hope the album is.

[Magicaltroll]

I do hope there are some Hurt/Great Below/Something...-style songs on the new record. I mean, I love the fast-paced, heavy stuff, but I'd say the best moments are the slower and more beautiful ones. I doubt Trent will let us down, as he hasn't yet. The clip in the trailor sounds very promising. It's very atmospheric and dark, which is exactly what I hope the album is.
yeah I agree, I think the teaser thing is awesome.
i couldnt say which songs i like more by him, between the faster and the softer ones, all i know is i just wanna weep everytime i hear "Something I Can Never Have" that song rules. i also want to see closure very badly, i just love the DVD "And All That Could Of Been"... its just incredible :thumb:

[Bartender]

and to the guy who said lyrics arent his strong point, i completely disagree, he has some of the best lyrics in my pinion, i mean, the music helps it ALOT, but the lyrics are jsut plain awesome to me :thumb:

He does have his moments with lyrics (the opening lyric of Hurt, for example, is still very powerful), but;

"pleading and, needing and, bleeding and, breeding and, feeding, exceeding"

"She shines
in a world full of ugliness
she matters when everything is meaningless"

Two of the more extreme examples, yeah, but his lyrics aren't always great. Lots of day-ray-may, cat-sat-mat rhyming. I'm not saying they're bad, but they're not his strong point. His strength, I think (aside from the experimental nature of the music, which can be amazing) is his ability to make lyrics like that work. He's very good at songwriting outside of lyricism, making lyrics, whatever they are, flow incredibly well and catchily (witness; the outro of Somewhat Damaged; "The me that you know.." and following, from The Becoming).

Anyway, my point was that only The Collector, if any, really stands out as anything close to an interesting song title, to me.

[Burdcheese]

While the Fragile isn't, I'd say TDS (listening to it now) is a lyrical masterpiece.

With Teeth is my most-looked forward to album and has been for some time.

/heads to NIN website in search of taster

[skinnypuppy]

not many people got ahold of this, but the delux version of "and all that could have been" has a bonus cd called "still", and on it is a song called "and all that could have been" - that my friends, is probably the best nin song ever recorded. it's simply beautiful.

[clearvision]

I have listened to TDS a couple of times after people said it was amazing..

am i the only one that doesn't find it great? Hurt is a good song, other than that :confused:

[shane italian]

I'm ready for it.

[Mitchell Royce]

I absolutly cannot wait. 2005 is tunrning out to have a bunch of great stuff lined up so far( at least IMO). New QOTSA, new Trail of Dead, (lets hope) new Tool and a bunch of others.

[clearvision]

THERE WILL BE NEW TOOL. Maybe as soon as july *drool*

[3074326]

I'm anticipating the NIN album. I have faith that Reznor still has songwriting ability.

[munky_magik]

*joins the excitment*

It had better come out on time.

[Burdcheese]

The date seems fairly solid - 3rd May

Unless you're talking about Tool in which case - ???

[munky_magik]

Despite my usual tendency to slip off topic, I was talking about NIN.
I'm interested as to what the new Tool release will be like, but I'm not that excited about it.

[BnG_DJ]

I have listened to TDS a couple of times after people said it was amazing..

am i the only one that doesn't find it great? Hurt is a good song, other than that :confused:

though personally, i really liked that album, i know what you mean about everyone being like "such and such is the best blah ever" abd then you listen to it and it isnt that great because you were expecting so much out of it.
this happened to me with led zepplin and a few other things considered great

[vashts80]

I'm as giddy as a 13 year old girl on crack.

NIN > *

.

[Kage]

I have listened to TDS a couple of times after people said it was amazing..

am i the only one that doesn't find it great? Hurt is a good song, other than that :confused:

Perhaps someone built it up too much for you. Luckily for me, I bought that album on a whim, so I wasn't really expecting anything.

But TDS, for me in a very extreme case, is something I had to listen to many many times to get into. After that, it just hit me and I realized how amazing it is. It is now one of my favorite albums ever.

If you haven't listened to the teaser, it's available at nin.com as well as the tracklist. That song sounds really good, from the thirty seconds we got of it.

And about Reznor's lyrics, I've always liked them a lot, but never considered them of any huge greatness until I read in a little on them and realized that when you take them at face value, sometimes they might not seem so great, but there's really a lot more to it than most people think. This goes for the instrumental parts as well, which most people who don't like NIN or like them just for the face "heavy rock" value often overlook.

[Magicaltroll]

While the Fragile isn't, I'd say TDS (listening to it now) is a lyrical masterpiece.

With Teeth is my most-looked forward to album and has been for some time.

/heads to NIN website in search of taster
man, i actually think The Fragile is his best work... but alot of other people like TDS better than the fragile also, so i guess its just me.

[Magicaltroll]

He does have his moments with lyrics (the opening lyric of Hurt, for example, is still very powerful), but;

"pleading and, needing and, bleeding and, breeding and, feeding, exceeding"

"She shines
in a world full of ugliness
she matters when everything is meaningless"

Two of the more extreme examples, yeah, but his lyrics aren't always great. Lots of day-ray-may, cat-sat-mat rhyming. I'm not saying they're bad, but they're not his strong point. His strength, I think (aside from the experimental nature of the music, which can be amazing) is his ability to make lyrics like that work. He's very good at songwriting outside of lyricism, making lyrics, whatever they are, flow incredibly well and catchily (witness; the outro of Somewhat Damaged; "The me that you know.." and following, from The Becoming).

Anyway, my point was that only The Collector, if any, really stands out as anything close to an interesting song title, to me.


theres a few lyrical... peices, that i just cant stand really. like in Where is Everybody?" when he says

"god **** i am so tired of pretending, wishing i was ending"

that line just annoys the crap outta me! i love that song, but the lyrics arent that good on it.

and also in "The Big Comedown", i love the music, but the lyrics just arent appealing to me, but i love the way he sings it, it makes the song 100x better for me. so i see what your saying about the lyric "flowing" with the music very well

[Kage]

Like I said before, there's more to Reznor's lyrics than a lot of people think, which is why a lot of people often criticize them without sufficient knowledge on his reasons for writing them.

I think he has some guts for saying some of the things he does. Granted, there are a few points where I think he must have had a momentary lapse of reason or something.

[deadinholywood]

I very rarely listen to TDS anymore, i find it to be a bit cold for my liking, Its the left side of The Fragile that does it for me!

[Kage]

I think I over-listened to the Left side at some point, so now i listen to Right more, even though I think Left is superior in terms of conceptual flow, lyrics, and songs in general.

And anyone who only knows/has listened to only NIN's three (four if you count the EP Broken) main albums is missing out on some good stuff. He has some B-Sides and remixes that are pretty good, most of which can be downloaded via P2P programs if you don't want to buy all the Halos.

Recommended songs are "Adrift and At Peace" and "And All That Could Have Been" from the limited edition Still cd.

[deadinholywood]

Yeah the remix albums are fairly hit and miss for me, i mean things falling apart is quite good but i dont think i need to hear 6 different versions of closer (cough.. Halo 9)

[Kage]

Yeah the remix albums are fairly hit and miss for me, i mean things falling apart is quite good but i dont think i need to hear 6 different versions of closer (cough.. Halo 9)

haha, yeah, of course a few of the Halos are a bit superfluous, but there are some really good ones. A lot of it is more of a collector's thing than it is for the actual music.

[deadinholywood]

Haha agreed, im kicking myself that i never bought a copy of still

[Throw.This.Away]

Still is the greatest album ever. But yes, I love all NIN. I, too, like the Fragile more than I like TDS, but I still love TDS. And I think the Perfect Drug video is the best video ever made. I love it.

I cannot wait for this album.

[Magicaltroll]

I think I over-listened to the Left side at some point, so now i listen to Right more, even though I think Left is superior in terms of conceptual flow, lyrics, and songs in general.

And anyone who only knows/has listened to only NIN's three (four if you count the EP Broken) main albums is missing out on some good stuff. He has some B-Sides and remixes that are pretty good, most of which can be downloaded via P2P programs if you don't want to buy all the Halos.

Recommended songs are "Adrift and At Peace" and "And All That Could Have Been" from the limited edition Still cd.
i dont really like adrift, thats probably my least favorite song on that cd. but that is a VERY good cd imo

[munky_magik]

Still is the greatest album ever. But yes, I love all NIN. I, too, like the Fragile more than I like TDS, but I still love TDS. And I think the Perfect Drug video is the best video ever made. I love it.

I cannot wait for this album.

I'm with you on this.
The Fragile is just easier to listen to I think, and to me it seems more mature and the ideas he has better rounded off.
That's just me though.

[Burdcheese]

I think there are a fair few of the Still songs available for DL on the website... I found Something I Can Never Have at least (my favouritest song evar!)

[Kage]

I'd like to try and keep this thread running, so I'm bumping it.

As the NIN fans here might know, two tracks have been leaked already, one crappy radio-rip of The Hand That Feeds and a higher-quality Mp3 of The Line Begins to Blur. Personally, I have not listened to them and do not plan on it until THTF is officially released and then of course the album. I've always had greater satisfaction when I wait and hear the songs as they are meant to be heard and within the full context of the album, and that holds especially true with NIN.

[willis2441]

there is like 4 nin threads,its gettin ridiculus,i say we stick 2 this one

[Kage]

This was the original one and has the best discussion so far, so I thought we should try to keep it alive instead of the others.

[Magicaltroll]

yeah i agree, because its my thread :cool: just kidding.

but yes we should keep it alive,

ok, does anyone know where the leaked songs can be found at? im acting like a little girl right now trying to find the songs! theres a leaked version of "the line begins to blur" and "the hand that feeds", THTF is supposedly like "closer" and "star****ers". as in pretty heavy, but ive noticed that with all of the singles.

but yeah PLEASE if you find where to get the songs, post on here, i know i SHOULD wait, but i just need to hear some new NIN. and also i have no self control when it comes to this stuff. well except if tool songs leaked, because thats tool.

[Throw.This.Away]

The new songs are already posted on here, in the thread "new nin"

[Magicaltroll]

link please
thank you
:EDIT: nevermind found them. :D

[Kage]

Don't do it! Bah, I'm holding off, anyway.

Anyone else dissapointed that there won't be any instrumentals on the new album? Let's face it, A Warm Place, Just Like You Imagined, Pilgrimage, and The Mark Has Been Made are some of NIN's greatest songs.

[Bartender]

Just Like You Imagined is definitely one of my favourite NIN songs. Has it been explicitly said that there will be no instrumentals on the new album?

[Magicaltroll]

so those of you that have heard the new "songs" (the only on thats really a song it the line begins to blur)
i for one, love TLBTB, but i cant stand the hand that feeds at all. both songs sound the same really, because in THTF he's singing the same notes as in TLTB's chorus.

that was confusing from all the "T" 's...

:EDIT: its too late man... ive listened to "The Line Begins To Blur"... *checks i tunes* 6 times, and its on repeat, its great man...
edit to Kage

:EDIT...EDIT: i didnt care for pilgrimage, but i love some of the instrumentals. but i'd have to say that i like the non-instrumental songs more because the lyrics are just... wow. but i really like "the mark has been made".

[Kage]

Just Like You Imagined is definitely one of my favourite NIN songs. Has it been explicitly said that there will be no instrumentals on the new album?

Well, I believe Trent said that, but I could be mistaken. I know there won't be very many, if there are any.

Magictroll: At least it's good, right? I'm still holding off :thumb:

[Bartender]

Well, I believe Trent said that, but I could be mistaken. I know there won't be very many, if there are any.


Oh okay. Well, I hope there are at least a couple. I was looking forward to them.

[Throw.This.Away]

I cannot wait now. <3

[Kage]

Oh okay. Well, I hope there are at least a couple. I was looking forward to them.

Although, he did say awhile back that when he decides he is done with NIN, he will try and make another project out of the instrumental style that he developed on the Fragile.

I'm going to check into the instrumental situation on the new album and see if I can find where I read it from.

[Magicaltroll]

yeah i dont blame you. it takes alot to hold off though. unfortunately.. well maybe not :D, i didnt have what it takes to hold off. and yes its very, very good. for some reason, "The Line Begins Blur" reminds me alot of "The Becoming"

and what ive got from the lyrics is that he's been thinking alot about how he feels about things, and in the past, he's been so angry/depressed that he hasnt thought about feeling anyway else, but now, he's kind of growing up and not feeling as strongly as he used to about things. him not feeling sure= the "line" blurring.

[Kage]

Nice. I've come across some of the lyrics on a few other places on the web and they seem pretty good. He's 40 years old now, I wonder what affect age has had on his views and overall music.

[Magicaltroll]

Nice. I've come across some of the lyrics on a few other places on the web and they seem pretty good. He's 40 years old now, I wonder what affect age has had on his views and overall music.
yeah, but he's still kicking *** :cool:
and you probably read about the no instrumental thing on the nin.com acces page

[BlindWriting]

Is there any way to get the Still CD, with or without ...And All That Could Have Been? I would hate to resort to using file sharing, but I've heard so many amazing things about that release.

[Magicaltroll]

i can give it to you on aim, or you might be able to get it on E-bay. but if yuo want me to give it to you, just let me know on aim.
aim= malignant5050

[Kage]

Is there any way to get the Still CD, with or without ...And All That Could Have Been? I would hate to resort to using file sharing, but I've heard so many amazing things about that release.

You definately want to try to get And All That Could Have Been. That song has become one of my favorite NIN songs.


Yes, I read the no instrumental thing on the Access section, but then again I don't want to put all my eggs in that basket because, even though Trent said it, he also later said, "Please don't take everything I say so seriously."

While that quote was taken out of context, it still indicates the fact that anything is a possibility.

[Magicaltroll]

You definately want to try to get And All That Could Have Been. That song has become one of my favorite NIN songs.


Yes, I read the no instrumental thing on the Access section, but then again I don't want to put all my eggs in that basket because, even though Trent said it, he also later said, "Please don't take everything I say so seriously."

While that quote was taken out of context, it still indicates the fact that anything is a possibility.
Yeah, he could be lying or whatever, i kind of hope he is, because i want atleast 2 instrumentals on the cd, though i prefer non=instrumental songs, theyre still good

/disguised bump

[Kage]

I just hope he doesn't regress with his music just for the sake of being heavy or "kicking our asses" or whatever.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

New Tool and new NIN. It's gonna be a good year.

[Kage]

Yep

[Magicaltroll]

I just hope he doesn't regress with his music just for the sake of being heavy or "kicking our asses" or whatever.
yeah, i would really hate to see that happen. i also dont want every song to be too heavy, i mean i like the heavy stuff, but it would get sort of boring after a while... well for me.

[Magicaltroll]

So what do you guys think the song "Closer" is about? the lyrics kinf of confuse me. because hes talking about how he wants to "**** someone like an animal" but then he says "you bring me closer to god" :confused:
It seems like hes saying that by "****ing" them (i feel kinda weird saying **** without the "()"'s.. i dont know why...) its bringing him closer to god. well thats the way i seee it atleast.
Well, if you have a view on this song id like to hear it because im a bit confused...

(disguised bump that was very much needed... :thumb: )

[vashts80]

You have to listen to the entire album to understand it.

Closer, IIRC, is about him escaping his problems, at least for a little, by sex. Whether it be sex with a lover or sex with a prostitute, I don't remember, but it's a song about him using sex to escape his problems.

[Magicaltroll]

You have to listen to the entire album to understand it.

Closer, IIRC, is about him escaping his problems, at least for a little, by sex. Whether it be sex with a lover or sex with a prostitute, I don't remember, but it's a song about him using sex to escape his problems.
I've listened to the whole album, i havent really thought about the album as a whole yet though, but that makes sense.
i guess ill let you guys know what i think about the album when i have time to look over the lyrics.
try and get some conversation goin guys :thumb:

[BlindWriting]

Well, regarding The Downward Spiral as a concept album, I really liked the way Trent structured the "storyline" to it. The fact that the character commits suicide on the second to last song, the title track, and then reflects on it all in Hurt I though made the album even more powerful.
And how do you think Reptile fit into the concept? For a part of the song, it sounds like he's referring to a prostitute, but the rest of the lyrics escape me at the moment....

[Kage]

TDS is a concept album. The whole thing follows the story of a person who falls into a deep depression and eventually commits suicide. That's why the album is so powerful, and it has a very thematic flow to each of the songs.

Closer is about him seeking escape from the depression through sex, etc.

My interpretation is the following. This is based on the readings of others' interpretations as well, but it make sense when you listen to the album in this frame of mind, looking at it as all one scenerio through the eyes of another. Basically, TDS lends itself on different levels, both a literal (including satirical illustrations on social aspects) and, in my opinion much more importantly, a metaphorical level as Trent explores the different angles of the human mind.

I'll outline the development of the songs from a literal standpoint, as it's more an independent endeaver to discover the metaphorical messages and themes that run throughout the albums. These are mostly shown through a series of motifs and recurring themes.

Mind you, what I'm saying now is not the definite, set in stone meanings of the songs, but instead what is important to me based on what the storyline of the album is as I've read from other sources.

MSD shows the character coming to terms with his problems. Piggy, then shows his mind beginning to break down. He feels that his life no longer holds any importance because he's made too many mistakes, thus "nothing can stop me now, because I don't care anymore." Heresy shows the beginning of him stripping down everything in his life that had any meaning, or perhaps personal importance. Specifically, Heresy is the denouncment of relgion. March Of The Pigs I'm not quite sure of, but to me it's denouncing the governement, as he points out things he thought were wrong with it, almost comparing it to a Communist regime (with undoubted influence from Animal Farm). Then, as I said, Closer depicts the character trying to escape himself and his problems through sex.

Ruiner I think is a very important step in the cycle, and it holds definite prominence in the storyline as a whole. Here, I think Trent explores the reasons for why, when left an isolation, the human mind will turn on itself and basically start destroying itself (as is one of the themes of TDS). The song reeks of decay, etc, which is a very common theme throughout many NIN songs in all of his albums. Notice again, the recurrence of the "Nothing can stop me now." This also important, because it brings full circle more thematic motifs that have become important in the album's development. I think this song is influenced by "The Lord of The Flies" as a symbolic element.

Next, The Becoming highlights the character's transformation. In songs 1-5, the character feels himself beginning to change, and here is where he talks about that. I Do Not Want This seems obvious, but for lack of a better explanation or any better insight into its meanings, I guess it's just the wallowing state that depression puts people in.

Now, here with Big Man With A Gun is another important shift. As with, Ruiner earlier in the album, this is another turning point. Actually, the shift is more at the end of this song, but the actual song is very important in setting it up. Here, his depression and sexual cravings turn into a violent state of fervent and insane rage. The final moment of the song sees Trent screaming "Me and my ****ing gun!" as loud as he can as the chaotic music overtakes his voice. To me, this marks the point where his mind just snaps and he can never go back. He's in too deep now. Nothing will be the same.

And, following that is one of the most powerful songs here, A Warm Place. As you listen to this, lie down and imagine you're slowling sinking down in a pool of water almost endlessly deep. The sun shines through, but as you sink deeper and deeper, it slowly goes away until darkness overcomes you. Then, Eraser storms in. Here, he becomes suicidal. Reptile is about prostitution, but there's a lot more to that song which I don't think I should discuss as this is already long enough.

There's a lot of different points of view here, but The Downward Spiral, to me, is the acutal suicide. Listen to waht's being said and the mood of the song and this will easily make sense. Finally, the album ends on Hurt. This is the most powerful song on the album, and is the perfect closer to the album. I think this is the suicide note, but once again, there are different points of view on this (namely the jarring, dissonant chords that end the song are the actual act of suicide).

Okay, I've gone on way too long. But I'm hoping we can use this as a jumpstart into some conversation of what the meanings of each song are on a more metaphorical level and the different themes and messages that are displayed. Look for the leitmotifs and recurring imagery that appear on the album, as it's really fascinating once you delve into it's meanings. Not to mention, it really rocks hard.

[BlindWriting]

Thanks for posting that. Interesting reading.
Pretty much reaffirmed my thoughts about "TDS" and "Hurt" as album closers. The suicide and then the reflection of it. (But I do like your idea of "Hurt" as a suicide note.)

[lost_profits]

I have listened to TDS a couple of times after people said it was amazing..

am i the only one that doesn't find it great? Hurt is a good song, other than that :confused:


this whole band (one man?) is nothing great actually. They have their moments I suppose

[Kage]

Wow, good job man on that. I never realized it was like that until I read your post. Amazing. Just amazing. As I was reading that, I kinda thought to myself, "this is kind of like The Wall." Which, I realize The Wall is SIMILAR, but I don't feel it's as strong as TDS. TDS has this effect on me, and I can only listen to it when I'm extremely angry or extremely upset. I agree with having the song TDS as the actual suicide.. since I have never realized the album as an actual storyline, I now think to myself about the lyrics in the song TDS, and feel almost empty. Have that being said, Hurt playing the role of the suicide note is brilliant.

Thanks for your input. It really is a very powerful and unique album when you can see everything it has to offer. That's true, it's almost hard to listen to, but also extremely rewarding. I can't listen to it too much because it's just so disconsolate and heavy (not in a musical sense, but an emotional one). But that's part of what makes it so great and powerful.

[Bartender]

I never thought of Hurt as a suicide note; more an afterthought. I did always think of it as 'occurring' after the fact, though.

[The_Shredder]

I am looking foward to the new NIN more then anything.

I've heard "The Line Begins to Blur" and "The Hand that Feeds".

So far the new album sounds exceptional. I can't wait till may.

[Kage]

I'm holding off from listening to those songs until they're released. Everytime I've downloaded leaked tracks from an album before it comes out, I end up enjoying it less.

[Pale-Folklore]

i personally can't wait for it. i only became a big NIN fan this past summer, and since then i have gotten all 3 studio albums, plus 2 eps (broken and march of the pigs). I think it's going to be great, but it cant be as good as TDS.

but if they dont tour canada...:upset:

[Kage]

I didn't realize they had announced a full blown European tour yet.

What a load of ****, they're going to be in Europe until July?? I was hoping I'd see them sooner than that.

[keeponslipping]

i've always thought of Hurt as someone creating a hell on earth through the things they've done and then running away from it all but keeping the experiences with them, but the suicide note idea puts a whole new light on it

[Kage]

i've always thought of Hurt as someone creating a hell on earth through the things they've done and then running away from it all but keeping the experiences with them, but the suicide note idea puts a whole new light on it

yeah, I think that's an interesting aspect of looking at it. At it's core, it's a song about reflection and regret, but basically I think it manifests itself in the form of a suicide note in order to tie in with the rest of the album. It also really highlights a lot of the themes that Reznor writes about in the rest of the album, as well as the fact that no matter how dark the human mind gets, there's always some kind of conscience.

[murray_lindsay]

i am curious to see how dave grohl's drumming fits into the nin musical landscape. should be pretty good stuff.. why did he name the cd white teeth? i heard he named it after dave's teeth.
i will definately be buying it when it comes here in korea. why was there such a long break between albums?

[br3ad_man]

The new album should be good, I'm looking foward to it.

[Kage]

That, and the fact that Trent does a lot more in between making albums than just working on NIN material. In between this album, there was a lot of work he did, including the Doom 3 soundtrack, etc etc. Not to mention the new releases of TDS.

And, yes, it was originally going to be named Bleedthrough, but as the concepts and feel of the album progressed, he felt like that name no longer applied. I'm actually glad, because Bleedthrough is cool, but just a little generic.

And Dave Grohl's drumming probably won't have a huge impact on the sound of the new record. When Trent records live drums (as he often does), he samples them, runs them through many synths, and then uses them as the drum patterns. So, unless there's been a radical shift in that process, I think Grohl was mainly there because he can come up with good beats and is a solid drummer.

[Bartender]

And because he's known. Can't hurt to have a known musician's name on a record, whether they're actually really contributing anything or not.

[Kage]

And because he's known. Can't hurt to have a known musician's name on a record, whether they're actually really contributing anything or not.

That's a good point. I also think it might have something to do with the fact that they're probably good friends. It's like, "hey, I have this friend that happens to be an awesome drummer and I need someone to do drums on this record." So why not call him up? I doubt there was too much collaborating on Grohl's part, but it might be interesting to see if there has been anything to that extent done.

[Magicaltroll]

I've always seen "The Becoming" as a single song...

i beat my machine
it's a part of me
it's inside of me
i'm stuck in this dream
it's changing me
i am becoming

the me that you know he had some second thoughts
he's covered with scabs he is broken and sore
the me that you know he doesn't come around much
that part of me isn't here anymore

all pain disappears
it's the nature of
of my circuitry
drowns out all i hear
there's no escape from this
my new consciousness

the me that you know he used to have feelings
but the blood has stopped pumping and he is left to decay
the me that you know is now made up of wires
and even when i'm right with you i'm so far away

i can try to get away but i've strapped myself in
i can try to scratch away the sound in my ears
i can see it killing away all of my bad parts
i don't want to listen but it's all too clear

hiding backwards inside of me
i feel so unafraid
annie, hold a little tighter
i might just slip away

it won't give up it wants me dead
and god**** this noise inside my head


the lyrics were for reference, because i dont remember the lyrics off the top of my head. so on to the interpretation...

The whole machine thing i think is reffering to maybe a state of mind that he wants to unlock or something. the line "i beat my machine its a part of me, its inside of me" is where im getting that from.

The "im stuck in this dream part" to me, is like its finally happening, the thing hes wanted for quite awhile...
and the chorus is about him not being the person he used to be, hes almost ok now, but i dont really see it as happy, i see it more of, he used to be really depressed, but now he just doesnt care about it, because hes made the decision that hes going to commit suicide.

The 2nd verse is maybe talking about his new consciousness and how he just doesnt care anymore because this new way of thinking is starting to take over.

The 2nd chorus doesnt go with my "theory" at all really, but i sort of see the "wires" as the new way of thinking. and the "even though im right with you, im so far away..." part is the line that doesnt quite make sense, well, it doesnt quite go with my theory i mean, because its saying he might be there with someone, but hes not really "there"... meaning hes not concious... and i dont really get that part.

the bridge part i think is talking about how hes finally done it, and theres no going back, and the "its killing all my bad parts" part is about how the new way of thinking is killing all the depression and making him better.

im gonna do the reast later... im at a birthday party thingy... and its really loud and i cant think.. so ill finish this later :thumb:\but this is how I see the song... so yeah, i know most of you might not agree.

[Kage]

Magic did you read my interpretation of the whole album? Your explanation is good as a single song, like you said, but if you look at it in the context of the album, I think it stands as more of a reflective song than one of any real progression thematically.

[Magicaltroll]

i am curious to see how dave grohl's drumming fits into the nin musical landscape. should be pretty good stuff.. why did he name the cd white teeth? i heard he named it after dave's teeth.
i will definately be buying it when it comes here in korea. why was there such a long break between albums?
its called "with teeth"...
not "white teeth"...

[Magicaltroll]

Magic did you read my interpretation of the whole album? Your explanation is good as a single song, like you said, but if you look at it in the context of the album, I think it stands as more of a reflective song than one of any real progression thematically.
yeah i know, thats the way i saw it before i even thought about the suicide thing, i know it makes no sense when looking at it from your guys' point of view. but thats how i see it.

[misunderstood]

I can't wait for this d'amn album to be released...there's actually going to be a "preview party" in Houston (in case anyone lives around the area) where they're gonna play the album in its entirely on March. 30th and they're gonna be passing out posters and stuff...should be interesting...Wish I could drive up and attend but i can't..D'amn college!

[misunderstood]

Yeah, I'm serious...check it out here:
http://www.numbersnightclub.com/index.php?page=upcoming

there's even gonna be "new exclusive footage".
anyone live in houston and may consider attending?

[misunderstood]

road trip! Ahh, i'm thinking about ditching school that day..and the following and going home to Houston...it's just a three hour trip from here anyway

[Kage]

Yeah, I'm serious...check it out here:
http://www.numbersnightclub.com/index.php?page=upcoming

there's even gonna be "new exclusive footage".
anyone live in houston and may consider attending?

Holy ****, dude I live in Houston. This is ****ing amazing. I'm definately going to this!

[Loverman519]

am i the only one whos heard about the possible TOOL/NIN tour coming up this summer? ive heard the radio talk about it a few times. imagine that **** dude....tool and nin on the same bill. thats a ****ED up show if i ever could imagine one.

[Kage]

am i the only one whos heard about the possible TOOL/NIN tour coming up this summer? ive heard the radio talk about it a few times. imagine that **** dude....tool and nin on the same bill. thats a ****ED up show if i ever could imagine one.

That would be amazing. I'm pissed that I missed the NIN/APC tour a few years back, but Tool/NIN would be ten times better than that. Still, I don't know if I see that happening.

[Neurotoxin]

If that is true, it will definitely be my favourite tour EVER. Man, I get wet just thinking about it...

[Neurotoxin]

That would be amazing. I'm pissed that I missed the NIN/APC tour a few years back, but Tool/NIN would be ten times better than that. Still, I don't know if I see that happening.

Why not?

I can see it happening, since both bands are releasing a new CD.

[Bartender]

Maybe because they're both such big bands; a clash of egos, on some level, would be almost certain. Also, I think there have been vague rumours of a Tool/Opeth tour this year.

[Kage]

Maybe because they're both such big bands; a clash of egos, on some level, would be almost certain. Also, I think there have been vague rumours of a Tool/Opeth tour this year.

That would be cool as well, and I almost see that happening more, mainly because Opeth has always said that'd be something they really would want to do.

[Magicaltroll]

I didn't realize they had announced a full blown European tour yet.

What a load of ****, they're going to be in Europe until July?? I was hoping I'd see them sooner than that.
Theyre coming to Reno, but i cant go... i dont have anyone that wil take me and tickets sold out in like a day again. So i have to wait till next time :/

[Magicaltroll]

That would be cool as well, and I almost see that happening more, mainly because Opeth has always said that'd be something they really would want to do.
I'm not sure which i would like to see more... Tool/NIN or Opeth/NIN, I think i would rather see Tool, because I've heard they put on the greatest show :thumb:

[Kage]

Theyre coming to Reno, but i cant go... i dont have anyone that wil take me and tickets sold out in like a day again. So i have to wait till next time :/

That sucks, but I'm going to see them March 30 for the With Teeth release party! I can't believe it's actually here in Houston. I'll be among the first to hear the new album. :thumb:

[Magicaltroll]

I hate you... haha just kidding...
but yeah, i jsut saw on the taborama forum (i go there for news alot) and it says theyre coming at the end of march to vegas, so im gonna have to start sucking up to my mom, because i dont have a job or any money...
It would be so awesome to see them live though :thumb:
has anyone in here seen them live before? i have the dvd all that could of been, and it is just amazing!

[Kage]

Maybe I'll see you there. I'm doing everything I can to try and go.. even though I live in Seattle. Haha.

That's quite a drive. The farthest I've ever gone for a concert was from Houston to Austin, for obvious reasons.

[misunderstood]

I'm gonna try to make that Houston release party as well....but more good news came in today...They're gonna be in Houston on May 24 and in Austin on May 25. They're gonna be playing a few "exclusive" shows in small venues before heading back to Europe for June/July...I'm definitely gonna try to make it to both shows...

[vashts80]

NIN...had better come to Jersey. That is all I have to say.

[Kage]

Anyone a fan of the Dresden dolls? They're going to be touring with NIN starting in April with their US tour. I'll be seeing them in Houston on May 24th. I've never heard the Dresden Dolls, but they seem interesting based on what I've read and their website.

If you haven't already, head to nin.com, there's an updated access section where Trent tackles such questions as his feelings on the leaks as well as some questions about the With Teeth...he even mentions an album after With Teeth, which is exciting, becuase it may be within close proximity of it (think Radiohead). All I know is that I'm glad he isn't thinking of dropping NIN like he once was.

[Throw.This.Away]

Not to change the subject from the touring back to song interpretations, but I heard from some places that Hurt was an anti drug song.

[Magicaltroll]

Not to change the subject from the touring back to song interpretations, but I heard from some places that Hurt was an anti drug song.
Hmmm... do you see it that way? or are you just going off other peoples interpretations? because if thats your view, please explain yourself :)

but thats a pretty interesting view on that song.

And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me.

Just thought id say that to get this thing going a bit more :thumb:

EDIT- and i have downloaded a song from dresden dolls, and its not that great, but then again it might just be a bad song...

[Throw.This.Away]

Well, I believe it could have been about that.

When Trent says:

I hurt myself today
to see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
the only thing that's real
the needle tears a hole
the old familiar sting

It could be about heroin and that old familiar sting is that he has been there before.

But thats all that I guess really goes along with it.

I just heard that Johnny Cash was quoted "This is the best anti-drug song ever" or something along those lines, but I could be wrong.

[sniper12345]

I hope so badly they come to Australia. :(

[repcak]

On Monday tickets will be on sale for the NIN concert in Vienna!! i hope i will get one and they won't be sold out in 14 minutes.... the great thing is, that he is playing open air and that only 5000 tickets will be sold! that means that i will be able to get really close to the stage :D

[Shred Danson]

They're actually playing near where I live-At the Coachella Fest this April. Should be good.

[Kaden]

I think I over-listened to the Left side at some point, so now i listen to Right more, even though I think Left is superior in terms of conceptual flow, lyrics, and songs in general.

And anyone who only knows/has listened to only NIN's three (four if you count the EP Broken) main albums is missing out on some good stuff. He has some B-Sides and remixes that are pretty good, most of which can be downloaded via P2P programs if you don't want to buy all the Halos.

Recommended songs are "Adrift and At Peace" and "And All That Could Have Been" from the limited edition Still cd.
Yeah man, I freaking have Still and it's awesome. I especially like the "unplugged" version of The Becoming, which is probably my favorite NIN song.

I hope you don't mind, but I'm stealing your user title.

[Kaden]

And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me
I think those songs are about him rejecting various forms of authority on his downward spiral.

For anyone who doesn't know, The Downward Spiral was recorded at 10050 Cielo Drive, the site where Charles Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate. That's the reason for all the "pig" references in the album.

[repcak]

For anyone who doesn't know, The Downward Spiral was recorded at 10050 Cielo Drive, the site where Charles Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate. That's the reason for all the "pig" references in the album.

No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
“ I had the song ‘Piggy’ written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).’March of the Pigs’ has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I’m not going to say what it is about, but it’s not about that.”

[Kage]

And Kage, looking back at your view on TDS, i dont really believe that March of The Pigs and Heresy are aimed at the government and religion, i mean maybe as single songs, but as a "peice" of the album or whatever, it doesnt quite fit, well in eyes atleast.

I mean, why would you be thinking about the government when you make the decision to end your life? I can see him thinking about abandoning religion/seeing the truth about it. But me, i wouldnt be thinking about government at that time, but like i said, not everyone thinks like me.

Well, to me, it seems like the song is obviously about the government, especially as a single song. But like Kaden said, it may not be a directly "political song" as we see it, but basically rejecting authority, especially a government that he maybe doesn't agree with or possibly had something to do with his situation. The first few songs are all about him stripping down things in his life, leaving him with nothing basically.


Kaden: Have you seen the studio performance of The Becoming at nin.com? That's such an awesome performance of it, IMO. It's a really stripped down version of the song, which made me appreciate the real thing even more.

[Kage]

No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
“ I had the song ‘Piggy’ written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).’March of the Pigs’ has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I’m not going to say what it is about, but it’s not about that.”

I think Trent gets annoyed with all the references to the Le'Pig house, because he says it has nothing to do with the feel of the album or any of the songs' content. He said he didn't even know about it until a good ways into the making of the album, yet people seem to think it was the reason he was there or an inspiration, when in truth it wasn't.

Still, he said there were some creepy occurences there, so who knows what kind of subliminal affects it had on it.

[MxShredder]

For the sake of debate, I've gotta say i think Hurt is the suicide, and The Downward spiral is the planning/thinking about it.

In TDS he says "bam, so much blood for such a tiny hole" (or something to that effect). But there's no "bang" kind of musical moment. In Hurt however, there are those three really ugly chord hits right at the end of the song, when the character stops talking. Then there's the drawn out bit as static and white noise gets taken away, kind of like a dying process.

Also, TDS is in 3rd person "he couldn't believe how easy it was" etc etc. So it's like the character's imagining it.

[Kage]

For the sake of debate, I've gotta say i think Hurt is the suicide, and The Downward spiral is the planning/thinking about it.

In TDS he says "bam, so much blood for such a tiny hole" (or something to that effect). But there's no "bang" kind of musical moment. In Hurt however, there are those three really ugly chord hits right at the end of the song, when the character stops talking. Then there's the drawn out bit as static and white noise gets taken away, kind of like a dying process.

Also, TDS is in 3rd person "he couldn't believe how easy it was" etc etc. So it's like the character's imagining it.

That is a common viewpoint, which I think is an interesting take. Either way works, but to me it seems more logical that the album would have a period of resolution after the climactic point (though some might argue that the true climax is the dissonant chords at the end of Hurt). I think that TDS is more of a narrative, describing what happened, and then Hurt is the suicide note.

[MxShredder]

That is a common viewpoint, which I think is an interesting take. Either way works, but to me it seems more logical that the album would have a period of resolution after the climactic point (though some might argue that the true climax is the dissonant chords at the end of Hurt). I think that TDS is more of a narrative, describing what happened, and then Hurt is the suicide note.

Still, i think there would be some kind of musical moment that would signify the suicide. TDS is mellow(ish) the whole way through, so if that was the suicide moment it would be more of a less violent death. But the lyrics talk about shooting a gun.

Not trying to be an *** BTW :), just looking for a debate on it.

[Kage]

No, it's cool. That's what's great about it, everyone can have his own interpretation.

But perhaps TDS isn't very "violent" because he is content in his death. But another thing is that that song is actually pretty terrifying, with the screaming and guitar riff. That song is very important as well, with the shared motif between Closer and it.

[keeponslipping]

has anyone tried to ask trent anything about hurt being a suicide note or anything thats been talked about on here? he probably wont answer, because he'll want to talk about the new album but it would be cool if he did

[MxShredder]

I think the shared motif is to show the degradation of the character. At the end of Closer the melody still sounds alittle lively, though gloomy. In TDS though, it sounds completely wretched. He's just sitting there (possibly in his lier's chair ;)) reflecting over everything (the melody could be to show reflection, looking back on the story). Then the new riff comes in, it sounds pretty pondering and forward moving, like the character is thinking about what to do. Then the idea comes (the part where people start screaming and there's singing). He knows what he's going to do and he's psyching himself up to do it. Then he starts writing a suicide note, or thinking or whatever, and those thoughts are Hurt. Then it's all over and he says "if I could start again, I would find away" then he pulls the trigger (the big bang chords).

There's not really any moment in TDS where there's a transition from alive to dead. The only one that could really be interpreted like that is when the screaming starts, but it's so hazy it's sounds like it's meant to be a dream or a thought.

[MxShredder]

has anyone tried to ask trent anything about hurt being a suicide note or anything thats been talked about on here? he probably wont answer, because he'll want to talk about the new album but it would be cool if he did

are you talking about the access page? i really doubt he would, I don't think there's many artists out there that would say "this is exactly what it's supposed to mean and all the other interpretations are wrong".

That said, im still right :) (joke)

[keeponslipping]

are you talking about the access page? i really doubt he would, I don't think there's many artists out there that would say "this is exactly what it's supposed to mean and all the other interpretations are wrong".

That said, im still right :) (joke)

yeah oops i meant to say that about the access section, and i didnt mean it like that, sometimes he'll just give a short answer so if someone asked if it was about it suicide note he could just say "something like that" or whatever

[keeponslipping]

dont take everything i say seriously i ramble a lot

[repcak]

I read that Trent , while he was working on TDS, suffered extremly from depressions! and for me, the songs express the whole feeling! the screaming in the background, is like somebody is crying out his soul out, is crying for help but is crying of pain too, at once.
and for me, there are a lot of songs on TDS where Trent is expressing depression in his songs soo direct!!!
i know, a lot of songs of trent a depressing/melancholic, but not in PHM, TF or B there is such a deep feeling of it..... once you had a depression in a lifetime (like me) you know how it is....

[Kaden]

No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
? I had the song ?Piggy? written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).?March of the Pigs? has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I?m not going to say what it is about, but it?s not about that.?
Heh, sorry. I actually debated posting that because I had heard it but I wasn't 100% sure that it was true. Oh well though.
Kaden: Have you seen the studio performance of The Becoming at nin.com? That's such an awesome performance of it, IMO. It's a really stripped down version of the song, which made me appreciate the real thing even more.
I haven't, but thanks for telling me; I'll check it out :thumb:

[Kage]

I think the shared motif is to show the degradation of the character. At the end of Closer the melody still sounds alittle lively, though gloomy. In TDS though, it sounds completely wretched. He's just sitting there (possibly in his lier's chair ;)) reflecting over everything (the melody could be to show reflection, looking back on the story). Then the new riff comes in, it sounds pretty pondering and forward moving, like the character is thinking about what to do. Then the idea comes (the part where people start screaming and there's singing). He knows what he's going to do and he's psyching himself up to do it. Then he starts writing a suicide note, or thinking or whatever, and those thoughts are Hurt. Then it's all over and he says "if I could start again, I would find away" then he pulls the trigger (the big bang chords).

There's not really any moment in TDS where there's a transition from alive to dead. The only one that could really be interpreted like that is when the screaming starts, but it's so hazy it's sounds like it's meant to be a dream or a thought.

That's actually a really good idea. It's true, the riff is more lively in Closer, but in TDS it becomes very downtroden, etc. And yes, TDS sounds very much like a dream or some kind of nightmare phase, so perhaps it's him sitting in thought, and then he begins to write the letter (in Hurt).

Not bad :thumb: At one point I'd like to talk about Reptile, as I think that is one of the coolest songs on there considering the imagery, symbolism and lyrical motifs.

[repcak]

Has anybody heard already some of the new songs? do you know where the first single will be released? etc.? would be interesting.

ps.: thanks kage for the tips with the becoming video from nin.com.
Something i can never have vid is really nice too, and take a look at the 2 live vids, where trent is playing together with manson -> star****ers, and beautiful people :)

[repcak]

That's actually a really good idea. It's true, the riff is more lively in Closer, but in TDS it becomes very downtroden, etc. And yes, TDS sounds very much like a dream or some kind of nightmare phase, so perhaps it's him sitting in thought, and then he begins to write the letter (in Hurt).

Not bad :thumb: At one point I'd like to talk about Reptile, as I think that is one of the coolest songs on there considering the imagery, symbolism and lyrical motifs.

hm... WOW... i am speechless - nice point

[Kage]

Has anybody heard already some of the new songs? do you know where the first single will be released? etc.? would be interesting.

ps.: thanks kage for the tips with the becoming video from nin.com.
Something i can never have vid is really nice too, and take a look at the 2 live vids, where trent is playing together with manson -> star****ers, and beautiful people :)


Yeah, the Something I Can Never Have was really good as well. I like those stripped-down performances. And you can see as Trent slips into the song more and starts feeling it, you really feel the emotion coming from him--it's a good feeling.

I haven't heard the new songs, simply because I insist on hearing the album in full the way it's meant to be heard. On March 30th, they're having a release party here so I'll be able to hear it a little early anyway. I believe the first single, The Hand That Feeds, will be released April 11th.

[repcak]

i see, you're a really huge NIN fan and knows a lot of thinks... some points, interpretation you made, were new to me. thanks for inspiring to look closer to songs than before (although i made a special topic about Trent in english, when i was graduading from school)

ps.: i listen to your own band sayd on garageband.com.... really nice!!

[MxShredder]

alright, my interpretation of Reptile is that it's a step onward from Closer. Instead of finiding a loved one to have sexual healing with, the character is choosing prostitution. This of course is further down the downward spiral of depression. This one also makes me wonder whether the main character is a woman "she spreads herself open to let the insects in" or something to that effect, I'll check the real lyrics sometime.

EDIT: Also, Big Man with a Gun would be another attempt at sexual healing, but still with the character being in charge. I think it's about rape, not as bad (to the character) as prostitution, which is later in the spiral. BMWAT kind of gets rid of the woman theory though cause of its lyrics.

[Kage]

i see, you're a really huge NIN fan and knows a lot of thinks... some points, interpretation you made, were new to me. thanks for inspiring to look closer to songs than before (although i made a special topic about Trent in english, when i was graduading from school)

ps.: i listen to your own band sayd on garageband.com.... really nice!!

yeah, it's really cool when you look closer into the songs. I'm glad I inspired someone :thumb:. I've been a fan for a long time, and I still haven't consumed everything NIN has to offer.

That's cool that you listened to my garageband stuff. We're going to have a lot more stuff coming, so keep watching it ;)

[Magicaltroll]

No, it's cool. That's what's great about it, everyone can have his own interpretation.
Yeah, if everyone was a dick in here then almost everyone would of flamed me for my interpretation of becoming. Because i havent heard anyone agree with it so far. And that was what i thought of the song when i pretty much first heard it, ive just now recently been getting into interpreting (sp?) TDS so I'm still thinking about it. But that still stands as my idea for TB as a single song

And i agree on TDS being the actual act of suicide because it is before Hurt. I know thats not THAT much of a reason, but yeah. Also, i just now read the lyrics to TDS (i know, shame on me for not reading them earlier), and i think the lyrics are awesome. And another reason i think that TDS is the act of suicide is the lyrics are narrating as Kage said, the act. But the dream idea makes alot of sense too :thumb:

[The_Shredder]

EDIT: Also, Big Man with a Gun would be another attempt at sexual healing, but still with the character being in charge. I think it's about rape, not as bad (to the character) as prostitution, which is later in the spiral. BMWAT kind of gets rid of the woman theory though cause of its lyrics.

- I've actually heard it's a Shot at Tori Amos' song: Me and a Gun

...just something I heard though

http://www.hereinmyhead.com/musicians/reznor.html

Interesting stuffs between Tori and Trent.

[Kage]

Yeah, if everyone was a dick in here then almost everyone would of flamed me for my interpretation of becoming. Because i havent heard anyone agree with it so far. And that was what i thought of the song when i pretty much first heard it, ive just now recently been getting into interpreting (sp?) TDS so I'm still thinking about it. But that still stands as my idea for TB as a single song

And i agree on TDS being the actual act of suicide because it is before Hurt. I know thats not THAT much of a reason, but yeah. Also, i just now read the lyrics to TDS (i know, shame on me for not reading them earlier), and i think the lyrics are awesome. And another reason i think that TDS is the act of suicide is the lyrics are narrating as Kage said, the act. But the dream idea makes alot of sense too :thumb:

I think there's really no one right answer on that. It's a debatable issue, but in the end everyone should find his own meaning in it and come away from the experience with a new message or perspective. That's what Trent would have wanted. ;)

[Kage]

Hate to bump an old thread, but just letting everyone know, for those of you who hadn't heard the leaked tracks, the official With Teeth preview is up at nin.com (http://www.bandbuilder.com/nin/). It includes the original teaser trailer as well as clips from The Hand That Feeds and The Line Begins To Blur. It's a really cool-looking e-card, so check it out.

I haven't listened to them yet, because I'm at the library with these shitty headphones and only one ear is working, so I'm waiting to listen to it.

[vashts80]

5/3 is too far away, god**** it! I'm definitely buying this.

[keeponslipping]

they sound pretty good, but i bet the ones on the cd will hopefully be better because this is really crap quality

[Magicaltroll]

So... anyone get lucky enough to get some tickets to NIN?
I sure didnt... :upset:
And its ok to bump this thread :thumb:
I think theres alot of stuff that people should see in here.

[misunderstood]

Yeah, I actually was able to get a pair of tickets for their May 25th show in Austin, Texas. ...I had such a difficult time though because the darn servers were extremely slow...Alot of people were trying to get their hands on some tickets...the show sold out within minutes...just like the darn pre-sales which sold out in 3mins! Now they're on sale on ebay some for a little over $300..

[Magicaltroll]

Lucky bastard... :p
man, tell us how it was! or I'll hurt you... haha. Hope you have a great time though.

[BlindWriting]

They're coming to the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC in on May Fifteenth. I am really, really determined to see that show, even if the tickets are forty-five bucks.

[Kage]

I didn't get tickets but I'll be at the show, that I guaruntee. I'm not missing out on a small-venue NIN tour this time!

[Magicaltroll]

Well, when yuo guys go, be sure to come here and tell us how it was :thumb:

[repcak]

In 40 minutes i will be able to buy NIN-Tickets.... hope i will get some....

[repcak]

Yeah, I actually was able to get a pair of tickets for their May 25th show in Austin, Texas. ...I had such a difficult time though because the darn servers were extremely slow...Alot of people were trying to get their hands on some tickets...the show sold out within minutes...just like the darn pre-sales which sold out in 3mins! Now they're on sale on ebay some for a little over $300..

OMG
let's see if i will be able to access the servers with a cable connection... i hope :D
30 minutes left :thumb:

[Stoic]

I wish I had NIN tickets, they sold out in roughly 8min ( two Toronto dates). Sadly scalpers have ruined this show for a quite a few people just so they can make a buck off of them, talked to one scalper and he claimed he had about 40 tickets and was selling each one for $250. Sadly I think I'm going to give in, NIN at a club > new bass gear

[repcak]

i've bought 3 tickets for vienna... on the homepage i couldn't order -> (server were down), so i called the ticket-service and i got them :D ... the other 2 tickets i will sell on ebay :D

[Kage]

I wish I had NIN tickets, they sold out in roughly 8min ( two Toronto dates). Sadly scalpers have ruined this show for a quite a few people just so they can make a buck off of them, talked to one scalper and he claimed he had about 40 tickets and was selling each one for $250. Sadly I think I'm going to give in, NIN at a club > new bass gear

Yeah, really. It's a twisted world we live in where scalpers looking for a quick buck get tickets over people who passionately want to see the show (..me).

Oh well, I'll probably be able to end up seeing the show one way or another. I'm hoping to get it down to about $50 tickets at the show.

Either way, NIN is possibly the greatest artist ever. I listened to TDS on full blast today...it's quite an experience in itself. I love every second of that album, it's a masterpiece. It sort of puts you in a different mindset from normal, makes you think about things differently.

[repcak]

NIN - Tickets (Vienna) are sold out .... after 4hours.... i thought they will be sold out in not more than 20 minutes... ok, it is monday, a lot of people are working, are in school, etc...

[misunderstood]

d@mn, some of those tickets are being sold on ebay for $799...no one's bidding on those yet but i'm sure they'll be one desperate person to do so later on and that just sucks..i payed only $36 and someone else is paying $800!

[Kage]

Yep, there's Ebay scalpers for you. Which show did you get tickets for?

[misunderstood]

d@mn those scalpers...I got tickets for the Austin, Tx show on May 25th

[Kage]

Dammit. I should've gotten those. I live in Houston, but I've been to Stubb's several times. I heard those were easier to get than the Houston ones.

[misunderstood]

Yeah, Houston sold out extremely fast...and so did Austin but just not as quick...i also live in Houston so of course i tried getting tickets for that show but it didn't work out...so i got them for Austin and well, it isn't so bad since i do go to school here in austin anyway..

[Kage]

Yeah, Houston sold out extremely fast...and so did Austin but just not as quick...i also live in Houston so of course i tried getting tickets for that show but it didn't work out...so i got them for Austin and well, it isn't so bad since i do go to school here in austin anyway..

Stubb's is cool, and it's not a bad drive at all from Houston.

I probably would've gotten Austin tickets but the damned site wouldn't load. I guess since it's not a huge site it wasn't used to the overload of people going there.

[misunderstood]

Kage, are you gonna make it to the album release party that is being held in Houston?....I really wish i could make it..but i unfortunately i cant..

[Kage]

Kage, are you gonna make it to the album release party that is being held in Houston?....I really wish i could make it..but i unfortunately i cant..

Hell yes. I hate to sound fanboy-ish but there's no stopping me from that, since there aren't any ticket sales. Still, I'm going to have to get there early.

[insertnamehere]

I'm officially in a sulk.

I missed the first tickets to the Astoria. That upset me. Then check today, and "WOO! More gigs... all of them sold out, except - London!? YAY!" Go to click, about to convince parents to cough up the dough (i dont have money, let alone a credit card... and it's my birthday this Saturday so i could've gotten away with it probably...) and what is it?

Sold out.

This is starting to get annoying.

[Kage]

Well, they're going to announce more dates for a North American tour in the fall. That's better than nothing I guess, but I still want to see them before they go into the huge arena shows.

[misunderstood]

maybe some of the shows will be moved to bigger venues...thats what happened when velvet revolver came to austin last november...they were scheduled to perform at Stubbs but postponed in order to be moved into a bigger venue because of the high demand of tickets..and well, alot more tickets went on sale later...and thats really the only reason i made it to that show..

[Kage]

Well, that's probably why they're doing the next tour, since it's obvious there were so many people who didn't get to go. What were they thinking, having a small club tour for their first time out in years?

[Bartender]

To make the people who were unable to go even more desperate to see them, and thus selling out the following big-venue tour even more convincingly. Maybe.

[Kage]

:lol:

Damn them, I say.

[insertnamehere]

Doing a further North America tour in Autumn would make me happy if i wasnt in England...

[BlindWriting]

Holy ****ing ****!!!!
Tickets to the Hammerstein Ballroom show sold out in about two hours.
I'm really pissed, and really disappointed.... :upset:

[misunderstood]

ah, that sucks...that took a while to sell out though..our **** tickets sold out within minutes..starting with the **** pre-sales which sold out in 3mins!... anyway, sorry about that

[Kage]

Again, a shameless bump.

I finally picked up the And All That Could Have Been DVD. I gotta say it's amazing. The life performances are great, and I love the live interpretations of some of the songs that have more of a heavy rock feel when performed live (Head Like A Hole, for one).

[Magicaltroll]

Again, a shameless bump.

I finally picked up the And All That Could Have Been DVD. I gotta say it's amazing. The life performances are great, and I love the live interpretations of some of the songs that have more of a heavy rock feel when performed live (Head Like A Hole, for one).
Man, when i first saw "Terrible Lie" on that, I was amazed. That is the best performance of any song I've ever seen.

Also, anyone that hasn't got that, go and get it right now... you won't regret it.
I really like the performance of "Star****ers inc" on that. Its great.

*goes to watch the dvd*

[Kage]

Have you seen all the secret special features? There's a very interesting live performance/video of The Day The World Went Away. I loved the performances of La Mer and The Great Below, where they had the three lines behind the band with those images. The visuals on The Great Below were just amazing.

[Magicaltroll]

Have you seen all the secret special features? There's a very interesting live performance/video of The Day The World Went Away. I loved the performances of La Mer and The Great Below, where they had the three lines behind the band with those images. The visuals on The Great Below were just amazing.
WHA?! where do you get to see that at? That would be awesome, i never heard of that.
where can you see it at? I was just watching a little bit of it, and i was tinking "man, i wish they didn't cut out "when the world went away"...

[Kage]

On the second disc, choose the song Head Like A Hole. When the time gets to about 11:20, press the number 7 on your DVD remote. It will then go to a menu with several bonus features.

There are a few other cool things that I have yet to find, such as alternate camera angles on some songs.

[BlindWriting]

The Frail/The Wretched live on AATCHB was great, I thought. One of my favorite live NIN clips.

[Magicaltroll]

On the second disc, choose the song Head Like A Hole. When the time gets to about 11:20, press the number 7 on your DVD remote. It will then go to a menu with several bonus features.

There are a few other cool things that I have yet to find, such as alternate camera angles on some songs.
Yeah, the camera views you get your remote and theres these little icons that have like a camera looking thing on it at the beggining of the songs with them, and on your remote, when yuo see the icon on the screen, you press "change view" or something like that on the remote.
Thanks so much for that info :thumb:

[repcak]

And all that could have been was my first NIN cd i listened to! i love it.... terrible lie is amazing.
but i've never heard of that dvd feature.....head like a hole on disc 2 and wait till 11:20 and then press 7... hm....
/me is going for CD and DVD recorder

ah... ups... you mean the DVD... oh... **** ... i have only the audio cd.... hm... ****...

[Magicaltroll]

And all that could have been was my first NIN cd i listened to! i love it.... terrible lie is amazing.
but i've never heard of that dvd feature.....head like a hole on disc 2 and wait till 11:20 and then press 7... hm....
/me is going for CD and DVD recorder

ah... ups... you mean the DVD... oh... **** ... i have only the audio cd.... hm... ****...
I just watched some of the special features, and they are awesome.
Kage, where did you find out about them?

Oh yeah, and has anyone seen the VHS version of "Closure"? And does anyone know when the DVD is supposed to be out? I want to see that because I heard they play "Mr. Self Destruct" on that... and it would be awesome to see that live.

[Kage]

I read it on another message board somewhere. I really really like the video for The Day The World Went Away. That's one of my all time favorite songs, and the video is a great visual representation of it.

I'm gonna go try those alternate camera views.

[Kage]

Oh yeah, and has anyone seen the VHS version of "Closure"? And does anyone know when the DVD is supposed to be out? I want to see that because I heard they play "Mr. Self Destruct" on that... and it would be awesome to see that live.

Yeah, I have the VHS of Closure. I have to say, it's not a great video. It's two tapes, one side is music videos, the other is a live documentary. The music videos are cool, especially the one for Perfect Drug, but the live shows are not so good. The quality is bad, the filming is sub-par, the sound quality is awful. I don't think they play Mr Self Destruct on it, but I could be wrong as I haven't watched it in awhile. It's nowhere near the greatness of AATCHB in terms of visual or audio. While the performances are good, it's just not a well-made video, in my opinion.

It was supposed to already have come out on DVD, but some legal issues (I think the original record company it came out under is causing problems) set it back, and now I believe it's sort of sitting on the backburner because of the new CD and everything.

[repcak]

No i haven't seen the VHS/DVD version of Closure , but i've seen the trailer on nin.com :thumb:

[repcak]

Kage: which NIN dvd/vhs would you recommend? which are the best you've seen??

[Kage]

Definately get And All That Could Have Been, it's just amazing. The portrayal of those songs is great. I know you have the audio CD of it, but the DVD is necessary as well.

Other than that, if you want to see Closure, I would wait until the DVD comes out. Hopefully that will improve the audio and/or video quality of it. The performances are awesome (Bowie+Trent on hurt :thumb: ). Also, I've seen it for rental at my local video store, so I would check there for it, if you want to see the VHS.

[Magicaltroll]

Man... I just watched "The Day The World Went Away" video, and I have to say, I haven't had that many "shivers" while listening to music like that ever since the first time I heard the last part of "Lateralus". That was amazing, it just makes me more bummed out that I can't go to see them live :(

[Kage]

For more great live material from NIN, I recommend trying to hunt down the recordings of the CRC Sessions. It was a really small NIN show (under 100 people in the audience) where they played mainly acoustic-oriented material, including stunning versions of Something I Can Never Have, The Fragile, Even Deeper, and The Day The World Went Away. Highest reccommendation on that. Of course, while it lacks the hard-rocking elements of AATCHB, it makes up for it with intimate beauty.

[Kage]

Man... I just watched "The Day The World Went Away" video, and I have to say, I haven't had that many "shivers" while listening to music like that ever since the first time I heard the last part of "Lateralus". That was amazing, it just makes me more bummed out that I can't go to see them live :(

I know, dude I love that video/song. This whole DVD has made me determined to get cheapt scalped tickets.

[Magicaltroll]

I know, dude I love that video/song. This whole DVD has made me determined to get cheapt scalped tickets.
I can't go because of my grades... it sucks. Are you still planning on going to that CD release party? If so, you better tell us how it was :evil: haha.

And I really hope they increase the quality of "Closure" too, if its that bad...

[Kage]

I can't go because of my grades... it sucks. Are you still planning on going to that CD release party? If so, you better tell us how it was :evil: haha.

And I really hope they increase the quality of "Closure" too, if its that bad...

Yeah, I'm going to the CD release party. It'll be awesome, don't worry :p

As for Closure, it's not that bad. I think I may have come off a little bit too strong on that, but it's just not great. If you get the opportunity, check it out, but don't be too worried if you can't find it or something. My advice is just to wait for the DVD and get it then.

[vashts80]

If you can, try and somehow get the Woodstock '94 performance. It was only an hour and 15 mins long on the PPV, but there was more after the PPV went to 'tallica. It was awesome, though. Dead Souls is pawnage.

[Magicaltroll]

If you can, try and somehow get the Woodstock '94 performance. It was only an hour and 15 mins long on the PPV, but there was more after the PPV went to 'tallica. It was awesome, though. Dead Souls is pawnage.
Is there any way you can get it without PPV? because I'm broke, and i heard its good.

[vashts80]

I actuallly got the DVD image off BT, the lineage went like this IIRC

PPV -> VHS -> DVD

However, there site I got it from has long-since gone down, :\

I think they sell it on ebay though

[Magicaltroll]

Hey, if anyone has the CRC sessions, could you please send the songs to me? Because i tried to download them, but they were REALLY screwed up, so if you can, Please send them to me over aim or something :D
aim- malignant5050
:EDIT: damnit, I have a problem typing "you"... haha

[Kage]

Yeah, I can send them to you. AIM - Headshokk7, just give me an IM if I'm on or post here and I'll get on and send them over.

[Ischma]

you can d/l the woodstock 94 dvd from a strong bt site however its hard to register now. its about 3.9gb and im still d/l it on 56k. im also d/l the all that couldve been dvd rip with 56k.

i can wait for the with teeth album.

i havent checked the setlist yet but there is a leak of the song "getting smaller" which is availble to d/l on a bt site. however, that has an invite system and i think you need to be a power user which i am not.

i think i read before in this thread, that with teeth was going to be released on stereo and 5.1 surround. sorry if its a stupid question but im guessing that 5.1 surround sound is better?

[Kage]

you can d/l the woodstock 94 dvd from a strong bt site however its hard to register now. its about 3.9gb and im still d/l it on 56k. im also d/l the all that couldve been dvd rip with 56k.

i can wait for the with teeth album.

i havent checked the setlist yet but there is a leak of the song "getting smaller" which is availble to d/l on a bt site. however, that has an invite system and i think you need to be a power user which i am not.

i think i read before in this thread, that with teeth was going to be released on stereo and 5.1 surround. sorry if its a stupid question but im guessing that 5.1 surround sound is better?

Better in the sense that there's more, sonically, that can be brought out with having the additional speakers to use. If you haven't yet, get The Downward Spiral re-release in 5.1, and you'll see what I mean.

If you don't have a Surround Sound 5.1 system, though, sounds will be missing and it will obviously not be better. A good 2 or 2.1 system can be almost as good as a 5.1, but why not utilize more speakers if you can?

[Magicaltroll]

Better in the sense that there's more, sonically, that can be brought out with having the additional speakers to use. If you haven't yet, get The Downward Spiral re-release in 5.1, and you'll see what I mean.

If you don't have a Surround Sound 5.1 system, though, sounds will be missing and it will obviously not be better. A good 2 or 2.1 system can be almost as good as a 5.1, but why not utilize more speakers if you can?
Yeah, I listen to And All That Could Have Been in 5.1, it's awesome, even though the speakers aren't spread out like they should be, it still sounds great.

If they come out at the same time (With Teeth 5.1 and regular) then I would probably buy the regular because it does sound pretty bad when you don't listen to it with surround sound when you buy the 5.1. And it sounds ok if you listen to the regular version through surround sound, so yeah.
Sorry if that made no sense.

[Kage]

I see what you're saying. I think if they come out with a 5.1 version, it will be a Dualdisc or a double-disc pacakge or something, so there'll still be a Stereo format of the CD.

[Magicaltroll]

I see what you're saying. I think if they come out with a 5.1 version, it will be a Dualdisc or a double-disc pacakge or something, so there'll still be a Stereo format of the CD.
That would be awesome. If they do do then i will definitely be buying the dualdisc.

[Kage]

Hey, did you want me to send you the CRC songs? I can do that now, if you want.

[misunderstood]

i just saw the studio footage that is up at nin.com...man, i can hardly wait for this album now and of course the **** concert in may...i'm expecting great things from this band..again.

[Kage]

I have yet to watch the new studio footage, as the computer I'm using doesn't have Quicktime on it and I'm too lazy to download it. I'll look forward to it later.

THTF is getting radio airplay now. I can't wait to hear it.

[vashts80]

I just rewatched AATCHB. It's teh pwnage.

[Magicaltroll]

I remember not liking that song form the leak, I'll go listen to it now and see if its better :thumb:

[Kage]

I just watched the studio footage. Right now I'm a little speechless. I'll give an opinion on it later.

[Magicaltroll]

Nope... still dont like it. It just seems kinda weird. Well for NIN i guess. It might grow on me though... I loved The Line Begins To Blur, so I'm still looking forward to this album :thumb:






KAGE - good or bad speechless?

[Kage]

KAGE - good or bad speechless?

Well...I'm not sure. Just speechless at the moment. The video footage itself was great, I thought. The song...as I watched it I wasn't sure what to think. But when it finished, I realized that it was just a really damn good song. My only complaint is that it's more stragith-up rock than usual, which is a bit of a let-down.

[BlindWriting]

Well...I'm not sure. Just speechless at the moment. The video footage itself was great, I thought. The song...as I watched it I wasn't sure what to think. But when it finished, I realized that it was just a really damn good song. My only complaint is that it's more stragith-up rock than usual, which is a bit of a let-down.
Just finished watching it. That was the actual music video for The Hand That Feeds, right? The studio footage.

[Kage]

Not sure, I thought there was going to be something more elaborate, but I don't know. I love it, it's such a cool video with that cool blue overtone on it. It really pumped me up for the album even more than I was.

[nrvn55]

honestly...i like it alot. it's very radio friendly but it is so ****ing catchy. this should be a very successful single. if yo uthink about it he is maturing. all good artists do it. he can;t remake the downward spiral. he never has and knowing trent's personality he never will. this is a very mature progression. i like it alot. on a side note...is it me or does it look like trent's been doing some weight lifting? his arms look huge.

[Magicaltroll]

honestly...i like it alot. it's very radio friendly but it is so ****ing catchy. this should be a very successful single. if yo uthink about it he is maturing. all good artists do it. he can;t remake the downward spiral. he never has and knowing trent's personality he never will. this is a very mature progression. i like it alot. on a side note...is it me or does it look like trent's been doing some weight lifting? his arms look huge.
Man, but i don't want catchy! haha. But seriously, I don't have a problem with catchy, but that was a bit too catchy i guess... i dunno. it was weird.
I know he's maturing but I just hope the whole albums not like that, i want some hard stuff too, like madey said, I love the heavy NIN :thumb:

[vashts80]

THTF is catchy. I wish May 3rd would come, like, tomorrow.

[Kage]

Man, but i don't want catchy! haha. But seriously, I don't have a problem with catchy, but that was a bit too catchy i guess... i dunno. it was weird.
I know he's maturing but I just hope the whole albums not like that, i want some hard stuff too, like madey said, I love the heavy NIN :thumb:

I thought THTF was pretty hard. I like it a lot, it is just a kickass song. My only complaint is sort of that it branches just a little too much away from the NIN style. It's more rock-ish and riff-driven it seems.

I have a feeling the rest of the album isn't like that, though. Sort of like TF with Into The Void.

The more I listen to it, the more I like it (same thing happened with TDS and The Fragile, so I'm sure the album will be great).

[Huber]

I came in here for the first time just to see what people's opinions are of the new NIN to see if it's some big change, or if it's same old NIN. I didn't catch a freakin' thing. Do you guys realize how many acronyms you use? Scroll up the page and count. That was quite confusing. :lol:

[Kage]

I came in here for the first time just to see what people's opinions are of the new NIN to see if it's some big change, or if it's same old NIN. I didn't catch a freakin' thing. Do you guys realize how many acronyms you use? Scroll up the page and count. That was quite confusing. :lol:


heh...yep. You should be able to crack our code a little better with madeyadams' list, but you haven't seen the worst. I'm a massive NIN fan, and on some NIN boards it gets rediculuous, where I have to sit and think for a few minutes of what acronym they're using. You get used to it though.

For example, see if anyone can name this:
ATPALU

And Sliptallica, have you seen the current update at NIN.com? There's a new video for THTF (The Hand That Feeds). If you haven't, you should check it out.

[The_Shredder]

My only complaint is sort of that it branches just a little too much away from the NIN style. It's more rock-ish and riff-driven it seems.


Uh....

So was: Last, Wish, Head Like a Hole, Down in it, Hurt, March of the Pigs, Sin, Happiness in Slavery, Kinda I Want Too....etc

T-rez has written some incredible and catchy hooks, I'm not sure I see your point.

Either way, THTF is teh pwn, and so are the other tracks I've heard off the album.

[vashts80]

heh...yep. You should be able to crack our code a little better with madeyadams' list, but you haven't seen the worst. I'm a massive NIN fan, and on some NIN boards it gets rediculuous, where I have to sit and think for a few minutes of what acronym they're using. You get used to it though.

For example, see if anyone can name this:
ATPALU

And Sliptallica, have you seen the current update at NIN.com? There's a new video for THTF (The Hand That Feeds). If you haven't, you should check it out.

All the Pigs, All Lined Up :x

[Kaden]

I'm quite dissapointed by the hand that feeds. I sincerely hope it's one of the weaker songs on the album.

[vashts80]

I like THTF. It's catchy. It's also got Dave Grohl on it, from what I can tell as it sounds similar to his style.

[Bartender]

I'm quite dissapointed by the hand that feeds. I sincerely hope it's one of the weaker songs on the album.

Has it been released officially yet?

[vashts80]

Aye, the video (promo video or the full music video remains to be seen) is up on nin.com

[Kage]

All the Pigs, All Lined Up :x

Damn, nice work :)


Uh....

So was: Last, Wish, Head Like a Hole, Down in it, Hurt, March of the Pigs, Sin, Happiness in Slavery, Kinda I Want Too....etc

T-rez has written some incredible and catchy hooks, I'm not sure I see your point.

Either way, THTF is teh pwn, and so are the other tracks I've heard off the album.

I guess my explanation was inadequate. It's riff-driven in a different way than normal. Those songs you listed aren't even particualry riff-driven, aside from Last, Wish, and Hurt. The whole of TF was guitar-driven, but not so much riff driven, and in a different way than THTF.

I never said anything about catchiness either.

And yes, I love the song. I can't wait for the album

PS don't ****ing "Uh" me on NIN. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[The_Shredder]

PS don't ****ing "Uh" me on NIN. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

- Hahahahaha!

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HAHAHAH!

Why? Because I don't have a Trent Reznor avatar? Don't pull this "my dick is bigger" **** with me kiddy. I didn't give you any attitude, so you can kindly shut your "know it all mouth". You don't know ANYTHING about my musical tastes, and it would be in your best interest not stop assuming things....

Because you really have no clue what you're talking about.

And for the record. You're a ****ing moron. :thumb:
You're holier then thou attitude has made me chuckle through this whole thread.

[Kage]

- Hahahahaha!

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HAHAHAH!

Why? Because I don't have a Trent Reznor avatar? Don't pull this "my dick is bigger" **** with me kiddy. I didn't give you any attitude, so you can kindly shut your "know it all mouth". You don't know ANYTHING about my musical tastes, and it would be in your best interest not stop assuming things....

Because you really have no clue what you're talking about.

And for the record. You're a ****ing moron. :thumb:
You're holier then thou attitude has made me chuckle through this whole thread.


Don't start this. I said one thing, but other than that my post wasn't offensive. Oh, I'm sorry, did my little cuss word offend you?

You have no idea about me, either. You call me a little kiddy, when if fact you're quite wrong. All I know is that I've been in this thread and you have not...look back at all the pages and you will see that, yes, I do know what I'm talking about concerning NIN and I think the other regulars in here will vouch for that. So stop coming in here and making your assumptions.

You come in here treating me like a dumbass because of my opinion, which, I admit was not worded well. I think the thing that I was trying to get at was that it had more of a rock feel (which is undoubtedly true), what with the drums that aren't as heavily synthed as his usual songs. It seemed more like a straight-recorded drum track.

[vashts80]

THTF did seem like that was Grohl's work and not a program doing the drums, then again it could be my ears making it seem that way.

[Magicaltroll]

I'm a massive NIN fan, and on some NIN boards it gets rediculuous, where I have to sit and think for a few minutes of what acronym they're using. You get used to it though.
What other forums do you go to? I've messed around on Burning Souls a bit. But thats about it.

[Magicaltroll]

Don't start this. I said one thing, but other than that my post wasn't offensive. Oh, I'm sorry, did my little cuss word offend you?

You have no idea about me, either. You call me a little kiddy, when if fact you're quite wrong. All I know is that I've been in this thread and you have not...look back at all the pages and you will see that, yes, I do know what I'm talking about concerning NIN and I think the other regulars in here will vouch for that. So stop coming in here and making your assumptions.

You come in here treating me like a dumbass because of my opinion, which, I admit was not worded well. I think the thing that I was trying to get at was that it had more of a rock feel (which is undoubtedly true), what with the drums that aren't as heavily synthed as his usual songs. It seemed more like a straight-recorded drum track.
To both you guys, lets not start this in here ok? :thumb: Thanks.
And I agree with Kage when he says he knows what he is talking about, because I learned a hell of alot from him :) But then again I'm not saying That The Shredder is a dumbass either. But yeah, lets keep this on NIN stuff :thumb:

/completely off topic, I just thought I would say that.

:EDIT: Fixed

[Kage]

To both you guys, lets not start this in here ok? :thumb: Thanks.
And I agree with Kage when he says he knows what he is talking about, because I learned a hell of alot from him :) But then again I'm not saying That Kaden is a dumbass either. But yeah, lets keep this on NIN stuff :thumb:

/completely off topic, I just thought I would say that.

The argument was with The_Shredder.

[Magicaltroll]

Oops... Well still :thumb:

[Kage]

So you still not digging THTF? The more I listen to it, the more I like it. It's really gotten me intensively impatient for the new album (can't wait until March 30th). I especially like the end stretch where he's saying "Will you bite the hand that feeds, Will you stay down on your knees?" or something to that effect.

I still get the feeling that it's not all that represenative of the album, so don't worry too much if you don't like it.

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, I don't know its growin on me, its still not my favorite song or whatever. But its pretty cool. Yeah, I figured the album wouldnt be like that, but I was kinda worrying for like... an hour. haha.
I can't wait for March 30th either, so you can tell us about it :p

[Orp's Capsule]

so many people on soulseek have the with teeth album. but for every one user theyve d/l so many different versions of the so called white teeth album.

i guess they got tricked many times

[Magicaltroll]

so many people on soulseek have the with teeth album. but for every one user theyve d/l so many different versions of the so called white teeth album.

i guess they got tricked many times
Yeah, thats why most of the time I wait for the new album, but for me, if its just a song or two, I'll download them (like some of you know...)

[EliteX7]

So you still not digging THTF? The more I listen to it, the more I like it. It's really gotten me intensively impatient for the new album (can't wait until March 30th). I especially like the end stretch where he's saying "Will you bite the hand that feeds, Will you stay down on your knees?" or something to that effect.

I still get the feeling that it's not all that represenative of the album, so don't worry too much if you don't like it.

Yeah, I watched the THTF for the first time last night, I didn't like it at all - my second time listening to it and now I like it. I'm sure the more I listen to it the more I will like it.

What happens on March 30th? Listening party type thing?

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, I watched the THTF for the first time last night, I didn't like it at all - my second time listening to it and now I like it. I'm sure the more I listen to it the more I will like it.

What happens on March 30th? Listening party type thing?
Yeah, KAGE is gonna tell us about... aren't you Kage? :evil: haha
But yeah, it's a listening party by where he lives i guess, and he is going to hear the new album. Wish I could go to one.

THTF is growing on me...

[supermasterp0rnoman]

man the hand that feeds is one catchy song, it's i've been listenin to for a while and can't turn it off

[Kage]

Yeah, KAGE is gonna tell us about... aren't you Kage? :evil: haha
But yeah, it's a listening party by where he lives i guess, and he is going to hear the new album. Wish I could go to one.

THTF is growing on me...


Yep, I can't wait for it. I'll be sure to fill you in on everything, without spoiling too much. I'll be very interested to see how THTF fits in to the album as whole, and if the rest of the album is in that style. I hope for some more TDS style twisted, build-up songs though.

[Magicaltroll]

Yep, I can't wait for it. I'll be sure to fill you in on everything, without spoiling too much. I'll be very interested to see how THTF fits in to the album as whole, and if the rest of the album is in that style. I hope for some more TDS style twisted, build-up songs though.
Yeah, I liked how TDS had like sort of breakdowns, like in Mr. Self Destruct around 1:50, and in Ruiner around 2:45, and so on. Man I love those parts in the songs... Especially the guitar solos and everything. So cool.

But yeah, I'm hoping for some of that and maybe some pissed off/angry songs, because I just love the heavier NIN.
But I also can't wait to hear this albums "Hurt" type song :thumb:

[corporalclegg]

I downloaded The Hand that Feeds from Limewire, and it kicks ***. He went back to the Downward Spiral days with this one. May 5th can't get here fast enough.

[Magicaltroll]

I downloaded The Hand that Feeds from Limewire, and it kicks ***. He went back to the Downward Spiral days with this one. May 5th can't get here fast enough.
I don't think he went back to TDS at all, I actually think this isn't really like anything he has done so far.

[Mabelobe]

First post on here but just had to comment on all the great NIN posts/interest...

I gotta say TDS is by FAR my favorite album of all time....ive never found anything i could relate to more on a personal level and be consistently amazed with musically since i bought it and listened to it all the way through in '97....

Its really a toss up for me between Ruiner, and Eraser for the best hard nin song, and Hurt is definitly the best down keyed on....

Its really all about Ruiner tho....

you had all of them on your side
didn't you?
didn't you?
you believed in all your lies
didn't you?
didn't you?

the ruiner's got a lot to prove
he's got nothing to lose
and now he made you believe
the ruiner's your only friend
well, he's the living end to the cattle he deceives
the raping of the innocent
you know the ruiner ruins everything he sees
now the only pure thing left in my ****ing world is wearing your disease

how'd you get so big?
how'd you get so strong?
how'd it get so hard?
how'd it get so long?

you had to give them all a sign
didn't you?
didn't you?
you had to covet what was mine
didn't you? (didn't you?)
didn't you? (oh)

the ruiner's a collector
he's an infector
serving his **** to his flies
maybe there will come a day when those that you keep blind will suddenly realize
maybe it's a part of me you took it to a place i hoped it would never go
and maybe that ****ed me up much more than you'll ever know

how'd you get so big?
how'd you get so strong?
how'd it get so hard?
how'd it get so long?
and what you gave to me
my perfect ring of scars
you know I can see
what you really are

you didn't hurt me, nothing can hurt me
you didn't hurt me, nothing can stop me now


When it goes into the hard bridge at the end of the catchy sarcastic verse....trent goes into this almost hip/hop "rage against the machine" flow of lyrics....its mixed so that you can barely hear what hes saying over all the noise but if you listen the the lyrics and how he flows those last lines "mabey it was a part of me you took it to a place i hoped it would never go........and mabey that ****ed me up much more than you'll ever know"

And when he hits the chorus....listen to how BIG the sound gets with the horns and the higher almost Pretty Hate Machine synth part to the left speaker.....with the bass and everything its such a huge sound.....

Then Trent gets RIGHT up on the mic and cups it to get the smallest sound possible, and pans it all the way right....

This is the best example i have ever seen of a musician painting an image of a scene with not only the lyrics, or the music, but also the sheer mixing and recording of the album....

Hes asking the ruiner, this huge source of pain and deciete in the narrators life...i kinda see the ruiner as a person in your life who keeps everyone wrapped around their finger by spreading lies and pretending to be what everyone wants to idolize. A person who moves into your life and takes everything from you.

He's the only one who really see's what this person is all about and he's hoping that everyone else will eventually see what he see's.

I havent decided yet if this person is a reflection of the narrator or an actual person in the narrators life.....

But everyone of NIN's albums is mixed and recorded amazingly and the style in which trent records everything and mixes it is specific for each song....TDS just seems to highlight that fact a bit more to me i guess....

[nrvn55]

jeez...longest first post ever^. how long did that take you?

[Mabelobe]

Actually Kage's interpretation of the entire TDS was longer than mine i think....

That was a badass interpretation by the way Kage....very very similar to my own...

EDIT: Oh, and ya that didn't take me that long at all really, because i've always thought that every time i hear Ruiner and it came on the playlist.....

[Magicaltroll]

Welcome Madelobe.
And man, I'm confused about the new album now, my moms boyfriend bought me a rollingstone magazine, and it has an article on With Teeth with Trent discussing 2 songs.

It turns out "Only" (the one I thought would be like 'Hurt') is actually an upbeat kinda song I guess. So now I have no clue what could be the next "Hurt".

Other than that, nothing really new in there I didn't already know.

[Mabelobe]

Thanks,

And i dont think there will ever be another hurt....i mean johnny cash covered it for gods sakes....(right before he died no less.....have any of you guys read what trent wrote on the access page of nin.com about that?....its pretty intense)

Anyway, i dont think we will ever have another slow, beautifull nin song that is that ****ing bitter and reflective at the same time....its amazing....

Although "and all that could have been" would be the contender i suppose....thats amazing as well.....but less personal to me i guess...

[Kage]

Mabelobe, it's nice to see another NIN fan here . I'm glad you appreciate Ruiner as well, because for a long time I didn't see much in it. After more and more listenings to TDS, I started to realize just how great that song is, and now it's my favorite from that album and one of my favorite NIN songs ever. As you talked about with your first post, I believe that the Ruiner is actually within the person's mind, as opposed to an outside enemy. Lyrics like "Ruiner's an infector, he's a collector, serving his **** to his flies" and "now the only pure thing left in my ****ing world is wearing your disease" lead me to believe this, as they indicate a real sense of decay, especially dealing with the human pyschological mind, which is really what TDS is...an exploration of a decaying human mind. I think Ruiner is the monster that develops in an isolated human mind, and Trent refers to it in the third person because it basically is a seperate entity--an evil beyond that of a sane and normal person.

I love your description of the colorful dynamics in that song--that's one of the things that makes it so great. I love how he buries his voice in the part before the chorus, and then it busts into that huge sound.
Also, you'll notice the retruning motif lyrically (and thematically as well) of "nothing can stop me now," which really gives the impression that that song is quite central to the album as a whole, which lends itself to the meaning as I described above.

And Hurt is indeed an incredible song. I like your description... It's slow, beautuful, sad, meloncholy, reflective, pensive; yet bitter and angry at the same time. I don't think I've ever heard a more powerful or perfect ending to an album.

[Mabelobe]

Agreed. I tend to think of the ruiner as an inner enemy than another person....seems more in the reflective nature of TDS as well...

[misunderstood]

I'm glad the band is releasing a DualDisc the same day the regular album is out 'cause lately so many other albums are being re-released and it sucks to have to buy them again for their extra stuff...anway, can't wait for these release parties to start...they're hosting one here in Austin at the Alamo DraftHouse which is like a theater where they serve beer, i guess and they're gonna be showing "uncut too-hot-for Mtv" NIN videos and some unreleased stuff from the Broken EP...NIN on the big screen, should be interesting. "PLUS a Hard Copy segment on the FBI’s year-long investigation into the Reznor video they thought was a genuine snuff film!" ...I don't think i'd heard of that one

[Magicaltroll]

I'm glad the band is releasing a DualDisc the same day the regular album is out 'cause lately so many other albums are being re-released and it sucks to have to buy them again for their extra stuff...anway, can't wait for these release parties to start...they're hosting one here in Austin at the Alamo DraftHouse which is like a theater where they serve beer, i guess and they're gonna be showing "uncut too-hot-for Mtv" NIN videos and some unreleased stuff from the Broken EP...NIN on the big screen, should be interesting. "PLUS a Hard Copy segment on the FBI’s year-long investigation into the Reznor video they thought was a genuine snuff film!" ...I don't think i'd heard of that one
Lucky bastard... :p
just kidding, but thats pretty awesome, but what do you mean by "snuff" video?

[misunderstood]

i really don't know..thats what i was wondering..i just took that quote from a news update on www.theninhotline.com

[Magicaltroll]

i really don't know..thats what i was wondering..i just took that quote from a news update on www.theninhotline.com
Oh :lol:
I gotta check out that site more often, I wish Trent would update the questions thing on nin.com.

[misunderstood]

yeah, you should check it out..they usually have pretty good updates..everyday.... oh and by the way...its www.theninhotline.net ...sorry

[Magicaltroll]

Your other link workerd too...

[Carn]

Ruiner is also my favorite song on TDS..altough I consider The Fragile to be better overall, Its a bit broader in sound and I like that.

The 3 songs I've heared from With Teeth didnt impress me much...but then again, they are more orientated to a TDS kind of sound so maybe its just me.

[Orp's Capsule]

ruiner solo is great