Nine Inch Nails

[bwnstl]

i can agree with him.... although not 100%, but i think i know what he means. Industrial - the real one - was/is sometimes really harsh, and you can't compare it with NIN.
Industrial takes getting used to and is shocking. Listen to the old Skinny Puppy records or to Einstürzende Neubauten - Kollaps (i still can't listen to this record).

And the link for the FA about NIN:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394207

I agree, NIN is NOT industrial. But real industrial is nowhere near the harshest music that exists.

[Pale-Folklore]

Trent Reznor is not sick....
The only coherent way you could make the argument that he's sick is if you consider his alcoholism. Mentally he seems like an amazingly generous and kind person. He's campaigned against fur for PETA and done concert efforts to raise money to help the victims of Katrina.

is he a vegan

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Does anyone else think The Great Below is one of NIN best songs?

[Akeh]

I do.

[repcak]

I agree, NIN is NOT industrial. But real industrial is nowhere near the harshest music that exists.
what genre would you consider as the harshest? the hardly listenable music ever...?

Does anyone else think The Great Below is one of NIN best songs?
The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful

[misunderstood]

The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful
I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.

[Magicaltroll]

Industrial reigns supreme...
Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"

[repcak]

I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.
i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...

Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"
i agree 150% :thumb:

[misunderstood]

i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...


Yeah, I don't think they have but at one of the Spiral chats he was asked whether there was any chance of playing 'And All That Could Have Been', and 'We're In this Together Now' (two of which have never been played live) and he responded.....'yes' and 'maybe'
So there's still hope..:p

[bwnstl]

No, Trent is not vegan as far as anyone knows. He just campaigned with PETA against the use of fur as a fashion statement.

I agree that the Great Below is an amazing, amazing song. But I also agree with the other people here that AATCHB is probably one of NIN's 3 best songs they've ever made.

And Repcak, I personally think things like The Dillinger Escape Plan and Death Metal make industrial sound like Disney theme songs, not to mention they're a lot more listenable and sonically interesting.

[repcak]

for me death metal is more accessible than industrial (and i speak of the original industrial ... not ministry, or nin)

[misunderstood]

So the NIN 2006 tour began this past Friday. Looks like the setlist has been changed a bit. "Even Deeper", "Star****ers, Inc", and "Mr.Self-Destruct" (which I'm most excited about) have been added..and some other ones as well. Just a heads up, I know alot of people had been quite disappointed because they weren't playing any California dates or New York City for that matter. Well, no worries! Looks like they're gonna head out on tour again over the summer this time hitting major cities at outdoor venues. *Hopefully they'll play Houston's Cynthia Woods Pavillion* There was a spiral chat conducted this past Friday...I was unfortunately unable to be there but I just got reading the transcript and looks like the rumors of a new With_Teeth special packaging are true. The Broken Movie is never gonna be released so in the words of Reznor himself..."just download the fuvcker", heh. Anyway, Nothing too important was said at the chat.

[repcak]

wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...

... with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?

[Werny]

Industrial artists tend to favor very harsh, loud static and crackling distortion, I think you have "harsh" confused with "heavy". Industrial isn't that heavy but it's very harsh and abrasive.

The Great Below is indeed one of the best NIN songs... the lyrics are actually decent, too. My favourites are The Great Below, Ripe, A Warm Place, Underneath It All, That's What I Get, Eraser, The Great Below, Last... so hard to pick!

[misunderstood]

wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...
Yeah, no kidding. I'm really hoping that when I go see them they do play those two. Seems like the setlist is changing every night. Yesterdays setlist included "Getting Smaller" and "The Big Comedown" but excluded 'Mr.Self-Destruct' and "Even Deeper"...I was really hoping for 'Just Like You Imagined'..one of my favorite NIN tracks but no luck. Oh well.

with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?
I don't know much about this. I remember when With_Teeth had barely been released, there were rumors going around about Reznor having some 'master plan' or something. And that there was a reason why the album didn't include a booklet..but that everything would become clear later. I dont know, but during the last spiral chat, he was asked "Trent, last summer there were rumors about a special packaging of with_teeth that would include an essay written by you... any truth to it? "
And his response was simply "yes".

There's a With_Teeth deluxe book that is, according to Trent, still in the works..so perhaps this has something to do with the whole special packaging. Who knows.

[Bartender]

The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.

[Kage]

The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.
I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.

[Bartender]

Yeah, but that's not really a defence of The Great Below; just more reasons why Hurt is better and TGB is something of a failure in trying to replicate it. But anyway, thinking about the songs atomistically; it's not even just that the writing, and the feel of the performance, are similar - some of the melody progressions and stuff actually sound the same

Regardless, both great songs.

[bwnstl]

I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.

It's actually the end of the Left disc....
And I actually think The Fragile is MORE epic, it just kind of fell flat on it's face after the perfection of TDS. And I don't feel TGB being inferior. I actually prefer it, because I think it has more atmosphere (taken atomistically, of course).

[Kage]

Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though!

[bwnstl]

Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though!

EH, it's not my favorite, but it's pretty good. That piano riff in the middle is damn creepy though.

[Werny]

Ripe is so gorgeous with that guitar riff, and the crickets chirping, and the freaky piano... it sounds like something has just died, or is dying. It's my favourite album closer, shame that the majority of the 2nd disc is horrible trash. It's great when you listen to both discs all the way through.

I never liked Hurt. It has retarded production and effects in it. It starts off great and then sounds like a machine breaking down. Good for the theme of the album, but it sounds horrible.

[bwnstl]

Wait....what retarded effects?

[Blizzink]

I'm heading out to the concert tonight, it's gonna be great. Only problem is that my friend cancelled and it's not that easy finding students that can go to a concert on a school night.

[Bartender]

And I actually think The Fragile is MORE epic..

Well if you just want to equate being epic flatly with length, then sure. The Fragile can't help but be longer. It doesn't go anywhere (like The Downward Spiral does), though.

[Kage]

Wait....what retarded effects?
I take it to mean the white noise/static-y sound in the background the whole time.

[bwnstl]

Well if you just want to equate being epic flatly with length, then sure. The Fragile can't help but be longer. It doesn't go anywhere (like The Downward Spiral does), though.

I don't equate it with length, I think Reznor actually meant it to be "more." Of course, that didn't work so well (although it's still a great album), but I think he meant it to mean more and be musically worth more and everything. I didn't mean just by length.

I take it to mean the white noise/static-y sound in the background the whole time.

I think that's an appropriate end to the album, considering what happens.

[Clunge]

NP: Terrible Lie.

[Bartender]

I don't equate it with length, I think Reznor actually meant it to be "more." Of course, that didn't work so well (although it's still a great album), but I think he meant it to mean more and be musically worth more and everything. I didn't mean just by length.

Interesting question raised there; does that he meant it to be have anything to do with anything? I don't imagine anyone* sets out with the intention of making anything less than a great album, but you can't say no one ever falls short of that. He might have intended it to be more epic, but that doesn't mean it is, by virtue of his intention. And I don't think it is.

*yes, yes, Lou Reed, maybe.

[bwnstl]

Well, I'm saying that you thought I was talking about length, and I was saying why I consider it to be more epic. Those are reasons why I consider it more epic, not me interpreting Trent's intentions or goals or anything. I just got the impression listening to it that Trent came to that album with much higher aspirations, and despite falling short I feel like the story within the album covers much more ground. I don't know, it's hard to argue this because I don't want to seem against TDS, even though I like it vastly more than The Fragile. And it's also hard to argue since it's mostly all subjective. But I just feel like TF is more epic, although less impressive. I don't feel how good the album is is an indicator of how epic it is, either.

[Kage]

I think that's an appropriate end to the album, considering what happens.
I agree.

I find TF to be more epic, simply because of the wider scope it covers than TDS.

[Blizzink]

That concert was ****ing great, it almost seemed handpicked for me, despite a few songs I would have liked to have seen on there (like Last or Suck). Second best concert I've ever been to, and now I'm going to face a whole long ****ing day today.

[bwnstl]

I agree.

I find TF to be more epic, simply because of the wider scope it covers than TDS.

123. you're like my soulmate, wanna do it? :p

[repcak]

i love you guys all sooo much... i haven't listen to The Great Below for so long. the whole Fragile is an epic masterpiece!
i got goose bumps while listen to the song (and this happens only with a few songs ...)


Edit:
i just made a list of all NIN releases i own... the list is pretty big O.o
1) Pretty Hate Machine
2) Broken
3) Broken - The Movie
4) March of the Pigs (Single)
5) The Downward Spiral
6) Further Down the Spiral
7) Quake O.S.T.
8) ...And All That Could Have Been
9) ...And All That Could Have Been DVD
10) Still
11) We're in this together now (Single versionen 1 & 2 & 3)
12) The Fragile
13) Unplugged (ja die gibts es auch!!)
14) With Teeth
15) Live in Fresno 2005
16) Live in Vienna 2005

[Turkish]

So I saw NIN last night at Kemper Arena in Kansas City, MO.

and I must say...

It was freaking amazing, they opened up with a song they haven't played in awhile...Mr. Self-Destruct!! That in itself was completely awesome, but the rest of the show was just as amazing when I saw them last time at the Saavis Center in St. Louis, MO.

Mr. Josh Freeze filled in on drums this time and WOW did he add a lot to the performance, putting some double bass in every now and again...it was quite awesome when he did it during Terrible Lie.

Set List of the Night

Mr. Self Destruct
Sin
Terrible Lie
March of the Pigs
The Frail
The Wretched
Closer
Wish
Eraser
Right Where It Belongs
Beside You in Time
Gave Up
Every Day is Exactly the Same
Only
Burn
Reptile
Deep
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Star****ers Inc.
Head Like a Hole

All in All...a fantastic show...can't wait to see them again next month!

[misunderstood]

Gosh, March 24th seems so far away! Glad you had fun at the show though. I'm really fvckin' hoping the Austin show gets to hear Mr. Self-Destruct. I'd also love to hear 'Even Deeper' but seems like it was played only at the first show, I believe. Well, people who got into soundcheck yesterday heard it then..lucky them.

[misunderstood]

Edit:
i just made a list of all NIN releases i own... the list is pretty big O.o

7) Quake O.S.T.
Hmm..I knew Reznor had done the music for this but I haven't been able to find any of the tracks. Where did you find them?

9) ...And All That Could Have Been DVD
:thumb: Awesome dvd! I really wish they'd do something like it for this With_Teeth tour. There were rumors about Reznor wanting to release something from this tour but who knows.

10) Still
Though I don't own the actual album, I do have every track on my computer...I did hear it was being sold at the merchandise booths on this tour, so hopefully, I'll finally be able to get my hands on it. I love The Becoming off of that album...and well of course one of my faves, AATCHB


13) Unplugged (ja die gibts es auch!!)
What exactly is this? :confused:

[Darth Sidious]

I'm still waiting for Closure on DVD.

[repcak]

@The Crimson: the setlist is amazing... never saw such a great setlist... wish i had been there :(

@misunderstood:
Quake O.S.T.: i can't remember it exactly... its ages ago i got it. either i got it from a fan who is a big Quake fan, or i download it from a fileshare program. try emule or something like that... but the album is nothing special.

Unplugged: yeah i didn't believe it at first. a girlfriend got it from a nin-fan and she copied the cd for me. as far as i can remember NIN gave an unplugged concert right after the fragile tour in a small studio/place. you hear the atmosphere, i think that there were not more than maybe 50fans while playing; a really small concert. all songs were unplugged - no synth or something like that. an acoustic guitar.... its beautiful. he even played Hurt twice, but i don't know why... maybe he wasn't happy about the first time, who knows; though i can't hear any mistakes in the first version....
but the important thing is: it was never released; its inofficial; you can't buy it... its a bootleg from the studio.

[Werny]

I think that's an appropriate end to the album, considering what happens.

You shouldn't really try to argue when you clearly didn't read my post, where I said it's good for the theme of the album but ruins the song.

I just think it's ridiculous. It starts out good but then it goes into the chorus with this "BEWM, BEWM" painful beat which is just stupid. Maybe it's the industrial idea of a power ballad?

And on that other topic, I think The Fragile has too much poppier songs and non-spacey production to be as epic as The Downward Spiral, which is one of the most epic albums I've ever heard (mmm A Warm Place and Eraser).

[deadinholywood]

@The Crimson: the setlist is amazing... never saw such a great setlist... wish i had been there :(

It's good but missing too much stuff off The Fragile for my liking.... That being said i would LOVE to see Mr. Self Destruct live, i cant even imagine how well that would go off :(

[bwnstl]

You shouldn't really try to argue when you clearly didn't read my post, where I said it's good for the theme of the album but ruins the song.

I just think it's ridiculous. It starts out good but then it goes into the chorus with this "BEWM, BEWM" painful beat which is just stupid. Maybe it's the industrial idea of a power ballad?

And on that other topic, I think The Fragile has too much poppier songs and non-spacey production to be as epic as The Downward Spiral, which is one of the most epic albums I've ever heard (mmm A Warm Place and Eraser).

I did read your post, and all you mentioned was "retarded effects and production," to which I replied and asked you to be more specific.

[Turkish]

Mr. Self Destruct was so awesome, I remember when they started the opening riff, me and my friend just looked at each other wide-eyed and simutaneously yelled "HOLY ****!!!"

I'm really excited to see what they have in store next month.

They also played an extended edition of Closer, they added in an extra chorus and changed the style of the song to more upbeat.

Plus, we have tickets for the Fan Club...so we get to get in early and listen to the soundcheck \m/

[misunderstood]

^Hey, what songs did you all get during soundcheck? I remember last year when I got in, we got 'Reptile', 'The Wretched' and..hmm, there was another one...can't remember it at the moment. Anyway, did you all get a meet and greet as well? If so, lucky you. Seems like not everyone is getting a meet and greet this time around. Luckily they did hold one last year when I saw them in San Antonio. It was quite nerve-wrecking.

[Turkish]

We didn't get there in time for soundcheck this time around, but I believe we got the fan club tickets for the next concert in march.

EDIT: My friend also got some cool footage of the concert, pics and video snipits...if you want any, just give me your email and I'll see if I can get it from him and upload it to you guys.

It's cool because it's HIGH resolution, like 3000 x 3000 res pics.

[repcak]

wow... yeah, please. that would be great!
repcak@gmx.at

[Turkish]

will do, we got a gig worth of media.

I got this really badass pic of Jordie in front of this blue light...the only pic I took that night :D

[misunderstood]

skorpio_f@msn.com

Thanks!

[Turkish]

Like I said, it might be a bit before I can get the footage...seeing as my friend is currently on vacation, but I'll see if I can get ahold of him tonight.

[misunderstood]

I can't believe how far back this thread is. I guess it makes sense though seeing as how nothing new is going on. Anyway, about two weeks ago a whole bunch of summer dates were released. I got my tickets for Houston on June 4th at the Woodlands just last week! Anyone else gonna check them out this summer?

I actually just saw NIN this past Friday here in Austin. This was my third time seeing them and I can honestly say this was by far the best show I've seen. It was flawless and there was so much energy from each and every member. Trent and Aaron going into the audience was great. 'Pilgrimage/Mr.Self Destruct' were beyond great! Again I was fortunate enough to get into soundcheck/meet & greet...I can personally say joining the spiral has been well worth it. I had awesome seats for that show and I've got great seats for the summer as well. I stil wish they'd play more stuff off The Fragile though. Perhaps this summer they'll bring back songs like "Just Like You Imagined" and maybe AATCHB. Anyway for anyone interested the setlist this past Friday was:
-Pilgrimage
-Mr.Self Destruct
-Sin
-Terrible Lie
-The Line Begins to Blur
-March of the Pigs
-Something I Can Never Have
-Closer/ The Only Time
-Burn
-Gave Up
-Eraser
-Right Where It Belongs
-Beside You In Time
-Piggy
-Wish
-Only
-Every Day is Exactly the Same
-The Day the World Went Away (Still version! It was freakin' awesome)
-You Know What You Are?
-Suck
-Hurt
-The Hand that Feeds
-Head Like A Hole

Soundcheck:
-Piggy
-Reptile
-Home

[repcak]

wow thats a long list... and "the day the world went away" (still version) ... you lucky one :thumb:

i hope they will come to europe as soon as possibel

[Turkish]

Alright, So I saw NIN again at Wichita, KS last night. And again...wow...they delivered to the fullest extent. The biggest highlights for me were Piggy and The Day the World Went Away. Also NIN finally had an opening act I enjoyed, Saul Williams did a great job and the crowd accepted him openly (which is a BIG surprise for Wichita, KS).

Anyways, here's the setlist for the night.

Pilgrimage
Mr. Self Destruct
Sin
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins to Blur
March of the Pigs
Something I Can Never Have
Closer
Burn
Gave Up
Eraser
Right Where it Belongs
Beside You in Time
Piggy
Wish
Only
Everyday Is Exactly The Same
The Day The World Went Away
You Know What You Are
Suck
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole

Again...great show. Didn't get in on the soundcheck though :(

[misunderstood]

^Seems like we got pretty much the exact same setlist. I was really hoping to hear 'Dead Souls'..oh well, perhaps during the summer tour. TTDWWA was indeed awesome! Eraser, RWIB, and Beside You In Time were fvckin' great as well...the curtain show was cool..i espeically liked it at the end when Trent "shatters" the glass. :thumb:

Hey Turkish, are you also a spiral member? If so, have you checked out the random webcast that they've got going over there? It's pretty cool.

[Kage]

How did Beside You In Time sound live? I'd kill to hear that.

[misunderstood]

Oh man, Beside You In Time is orgasmic live! It's my favorite track off WIth Teeth so it was one of the highlights of the show for me. It's quite intense and it just sounds beautiful! I can't explain it, heh. Too bad i don't have a recording of it. The only good, live recording I have from the Austin show is 'Suck' and some footage from soundcheck.

Kage, planning to check them out in June at the woodlands?

[bwnstl]

Oh man, Beside You In Time is orgasmic live! It's my favorite track off WIth Teeth so it was one of the highlights of the show for me. It's quite intense and it just sounds beautiful! I can't explain it, heh. Too bad i don't have a recording of it. The only good, live recording I have from the Austin show is 'Suck' and some footage from soundcheck.

123, BYIT is amazing live. It's like one big cathartic release of energy, it gave me goosebumps when I saw them.

[Turkish]

^Seems like we got pretty much the exact same setlist. I was really hoping to hear 'Dead Souls'..oh well, perhaps during the summer tour. TTDWWA was indeed awesome! Eraser, RWIB, and Beside You In Time were fvckin' great as well...the curtain show was cool..i espeically liked it at the end when Trent "shatters" the glass. :thumb:

Hey Turkish, are you also a spiral member? If so, have you checked out the random webcast that they've got going over there? It's pretty cool.


I'm not a Spiral Member, my friend is...but more than likely he's checked out the webcast.

Even though it'll never happen, I still wanna see We're in this Together, The Perfect Drug and The Great Below live...

If only it would happen...:(

[misunderstood]

I'm not a Spiral Member, my friend is...but more than likely he's checked out the webcast.

Even though it'll never happen, I still wanna see We're in this Together, The Perfect Drug and The Great Below live...

If only it would happen...:(
I'd die to see 'We're in this Together Now' but doesn't seem likely. He once mentioned that the reason for not playing this live was because the range is too high for his voice...and last week during the meet and greet someone asked him about 'Sunspots' and he said the same thing. I also wish they'd bring back "Just Like You Imagined".

'The Great Below' I wish I could have seen live as well but no luck...I'll just have to watch it over and over on the AATCHB dvd, heh. Oh and speaking of, last night's show was taped for an upcoming live WIth Teeth dvd! And tomorrow's show is gonna be taped as well.
The high resolution is such a huge difference from what we've done in the past with DV cameras (ie And All That Could Have Been). Everything is so crisp and clear, it has a completely different look to it. This will definitely be unique from previous live NIN presentations." --Rob Sheridan
Can't wait for this now.

[Turkish]

Just Like You Imagined would be awesome to see...


I also still have yet to see Ruiner...


Also, Josh Freeze on Piggy was outstanding.

[Kage]

Kage, planning to check them out in June at the woodlands?
I'm debating it; I hate the Woodlands with a passion, but it seems to be the only place NIN will play around here without the tickets selling out in a fraction of a second, so I might have no choice. I called in a radio station today to try and win tickets, but I didn't get it.

Seeing Just Like You Imagined, Ruiner, Reptile, The Day the World Went Away and Beside You In Time live in the same show would be life-changing.

[misunderstood]

I'm debating it; I hate the Woodlands with a passion, but it seems to be the only place NIN will play around here without the tickets selling out in a fraction of a second, so I might have no choice. I called in a radio station today to try and win tickets, but I didn't get it.

Seeing Just Like You Imagined, Ruiner, Reptile, The Day the World Went Away and Beside You In Time live in the same show would be life-changing.

Hmm. Well, i've been to the Woodlands one other time and I thought it was all right. I was sitting at about the second row from the stage..this time i'm about ten rows back. Anyway, good luck with getting tickets through a radio station..i've been lucky enough to win tickets for a concert only once..and that was to see The Mars Volta at sold out show.

I'd absolutely love to see Just Like You Imagined and Ruiner as well. But I'd also love to see The Becoming, And All that Could Have Been, and We're In This Together Now.

[repcak]

its now about a year ago, that "With Teeth" is being released ... and this thread dies everytime very fast :(

... before the release of "With teeth", it seems that NIN has a big (a fukking big!!) fanbasis - the tickets for the concerts were sold out in minutes! now, after one year, nobody reminds NIN ... NIN felt into oblivion.
Is it because a lot fans were disappointed with "WT", or does NIN not have such a big fanbasis i always thought? or do we have to search for this reason in the fact that on MX there aren't too much NIN-fans. Tool hasn't released an album for years but everybody talked about them ... about nin they don't - or has already everything been said about nin?

am i the only one, who thinks that NIN felt into oblivion and the reason that the tickets were sold out in minutes was only a big hype?!

[misunderstood]

You know, I actually tried keeping this thread alive but like you said, it just seems to die off quickly so I just gave up on it. So now i just have to stick with ETS and the spiral boards. I don't know...i don't think it's that NIN doesn't have a large fan base cause they do. I have noticed though that there aren't too many fans of the band here on MX.

Maybe once they start touring again this summer or once the live WT dvd comes out, there will be more activity going on in this thread. Does kinda suck to see it not being able to survive without the release of anything new though. But who knows, maybe after a few weeks/months the Tool thread will start dying off as well...though I don't see it happening anytime soon..and i hope not. But in the meantime, I'll be seeing NIN again on June 4th! :D

[repcak]

tool only survived cause of its off-topic discussion.. its the same with the CoB thread and all the other "official" ones too... maybe we should start to talk off-topic too... general about industrial :P

you mentioned a with teeth dvd? when? never heard about this.
and i wish NIN will come to europe once again :(

[misunderstood]

A live dvd is suppose to be out sometime this year according to Trent. No exact date yet. They recorded two (el paso,tx and Oklahoma City) of the shows from this past winter tour. This was posted by Rob Sheridan about the dvd:
"16:9, true HD.
The high resolution is such a huge difference from what we've done in the past with DV cameras (ie And All That Could Have Been). Everything is so crisp and clear, it has a completely different look to it. This will definitely be unique from previous live NIN presentations."
Can't wait for this.

[repcak]

so there will be a release of the closure dvd AND with teeth dvd... wow :D

[misunderstood]

^That'd be freakin' great! That damn 'Closure' dvd has taken very long though...i'm beginning to lose hope. I remember Trent mentioning that the thing was done and ready to go...something about it no longer being in his hands and the release being up to the label now. I wonder why it's taking their label so long to re-release it.

[repcak]

well, its not longer his label

[bwnstl]

tool only survived cause of its off-topic discussion.. its the same with the CoB thread and all the other "official" ones too... maybe we should start to talk off-topic too... general about industrial :P

Well, NIN isn't industrial, so that wouldn't make sense.

Closure will most likely never be released. I'm surprised you haven't given up sooner.

well, its not longer his label

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Interscope, as Nothing has always been a part of Interscope even if he was able to run it to his wishes.

[The Masked Guitarist]

i liked pretty hate machine and downward spiral disliked greatly with teeth though (liked every day is exactly the same) what else do you recomend?

[deadinholywood]

The Fragile, buy it now!

[The Masked Guitarist]

ok then i might go to the store tonight ill look for it
thanks!

[repcak]

The Fragile is a masterpiece!!

But the ...And all that could have been (live) cd is one of the best live-albums i know... you can see it as a "best of NIN". but get The Fragile first :thumb:

[The Masked Guitarist]

ok then!

[misunderstood]

Well, i'll have to go with The Fragile as well...amazing album. However, make sure you get your hands on Broken also. If you really liked PHM and TDS, I'm more than positive you'll really like that EP.

[ThunderBass]

yeah... broken is a real blend of the two... in a really good way...

[The Masked Guitarist]

yes indeed a very good album im loving it !
thanks!

[repcak]

did you bought now The Fragile? or Broken?

[The Masked Guitarist]

i had broken i got fragile

[Magicaltroll]

Trent needs to start recording again.
Didn't he have a bunch of material after he got done with With Teeth?


I wanna see if he can still write incredible music...
Because With Teeth really didn't do much for me, with the exception of Beside You In Time.

[bwnstl]

I think he should have an album coming out either this or next year. He said once he got sober he was able to finally start writing at a consistent pace and actually had quite a few songs left over after WT that he wasn't sure what he was going to do with.

[repcak]

all the love in the world was good to, as far as i remind it (cause i haven't listened to WT for ... äh...more than a half year!?)

didn't he said that the next record will be a "solo" projec ala "still"?

[The Masked Guitarist]

I think he should have an album coming out either this or next year. He said once he got sober he was able to finally start writing at a consistent pace and actually had quite a few songs left over after WT that he wasn't sure what he was going to do with.
is it just me or is that like making his music just not as great ?
i love his lyrics when hes like out of it ..... that also might just be me ....

[bwnstl]

didn't he said that the next record will be a "solo" projec ala "still"?

No, I don't think so.

is it just me or is that like making his music just not as great ?
i love his lyrics when hes like out of it ..... that also might just be me ....

You're not the only one to think that, but if you're wishing he was still an addict and being self-destructive solely because he made better music when he was, that's irresponsible not only as a fan but as a person in general.
Personally, I think the music and lyrics have not degraded in quality, and the only thing I've noticed that's changed significantly has been the conceptual aspect of his albums. i.e. TDS and Fragile were both concept albums, and they were made while he was a self-destructive addict, and WT was made when he was sober but isn't a concept album.

[repcak]

hm... for me WT is a concept album.
for me its the story, how he got sober, with all the up and downs... listen to the songs in order and you will see that there is a story behind it. (imo)

[bwnstl]

Eh, I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. I think of WT as more of a collection of songs a'la Pretty Hate Machine (but not terrible like PHM). Some of the songs do have similar themes or subject matter, but I don't think it's enough to qualify it as a concept album.

[Turkish]

I was always kinda amazed on how fast this thread fell, I always came back to see it on like page 11 and almost cried.

Eh, I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. I think of WT as more of a collection of songs a'la Pretty Hate Machine (but not terrible like PHM). Some of the songs do have similar themes or subject matter, but I don't think it's enough to qualify it as a concept album.

not a fan of PHM?

[repcak]

i love PHM :D

[Kage]

PHM is a great album. So is With Teeth, but I'm spoiled by the surround sound mix of it. It's so incredible like that.

[Magicaltroll]

is it just me or is that like making his music just not as great ?
i love his lyrics when hes like out of it ..... that also might just be me ....
Yeah, I like self-loathing, heroin addict Trent Reznor more than buff and happy Trent Reznor.

Trent + Depression + Drugs = Incredible Masterpieces.


In my opinion anyway...

[Turkish]

Same, I love PHM...it's second on my list behind The Fragile.

[repcak]

Still > The Fragile > PHM > TDS > Broken > WT

[Turkish]

so, you like WT the best?

[repcak]

äh... no, sorry... it should be the other way round ;)

fixed

[Turkish]

That's pretty much how I rate them, except The Fragile is my favorite.

[The_Shredder]

didn't he said that the next record will be a "solo" projec ala "still"?

...All NIN albums are "solo" albums.

[repcak]

i know, i know. by "solo" i meant mainly he (vocals) and piano (and some acoustic guitar)

[Kage]

I'm listening to With Teeth right now, and re-igniting my love for it. This is one great album. I like the songs that are more out there, such as All the Love in the World, Beside You In Time, etc.

[repcak]

the first time i listened to "all the love in the world" i cried ... its still my fav. song on WT

[ThunderBass]

tis a great song... and add me to the list of people who think WT>PHM... nothing against PHM though, i just prefer WT...

[The Masked Guitarist]

Yeah, I like self-loathing, heroin addict Trent Reznor more than buff and happy Trent Reznor.

Trent + Depression + Drugs = Incredible Masterpieces.


In my opinion anyway...
thank you exatly my stance :thumb:

[bwnstl]

I'm surprised that I'm apparently one of the only people here that absolutely despises PHM.

[The Masked Guitarist]

i guess sooo cause i liked it~!

[Kage]

tis a great song... and add me to the list of people who think WT>PHM... nothing against PHM though, i just prefer WT...
Yeah, I agree. PHM is great, but there's not as much to it as there is the later albums. TDS and The Fragile are so layered, the music can never get old. And even With Teeth is more layered than it, plus it just has downright better song writing.

[Turkish]

I'm surprised that I'm apparently one of the only people here that absolutely despises PHM.


Probably because it was freakin amazing...

[Spiritofmosa]

i'm listening to NIN for the first time.. they make me wanna smoke

[bwnstl]

Probably because it was freakin amazing...

Not really. It's rather boring, as well as the lyrics being just bad. Terrible Lie, Something I Can Never Have, and Sin are the only songs I like from it.

[misunderstood]

I do remember Trent saying something about making the next album Still-like. Who knows though. Anyway, All the Love In the World and Beside You In Time are probably my favorite tracks off With Teeth. I'm really really hoping that they play All the Love in the World on this upcoming tour...I'd love to hear it live. Though I actually do like PHM, I can honestly say it's my least favorite NIN album. For me it's actually:
TDS>TF>Still>WT>Broken>PHM.

[deadinholywood]

Right Where It Belongs is a great song of WT too, i was disappointed that they didnt play it when i saw them

for me
The Fragile>AATCHB>Still>WT>TDS>PHM>Broken

[repcak]

i just listen to With Teeth again... after such a long time, and to be serious i don't know what to say... its not bad, i like it... maybe even more than PHM.
sure there are some songs that i dislike, which i can't stomache, but then there are songs which i simply love:

- All the love in the world (best song)
- every day is exactly the same
- beside you in time
- right where it belongs
- and some more.

[ThunderBass]

for me...

TDS>Fragile>Broken>WT>PHM

*doesnt have Still* :upset: when i get my broadband back ill download it...

[misunderstood]

So with that said... As usual, the time in between tours is pretty busy. I've been working on going through the footage that was shot in El Paso and Oklahoma, helping push things along with Closure (still no update on that, by the way - it's in Interscope's hands and they seem to be slowly moving forward, so we can all hope for the best), and helping prepare a number of other exciting things related to the upcoming tour and The Spiral.
This was posted over at the spiral boards a few days ago. Just thought I'd post on here 'cause it gives us all still some hope that the CLOSURE dvd will see the light of day! I've been waiting for this damn thing for so long now..i had begun to lose hope. For a while i thought they might release it with the new footage, but it just wouldn't make sense to do so. I can't wait for both of them though. Anyway, less than a month now before I see NIN again! :p I have to settle for some more NIN (not that I mind at all!) while Tool leaves the states for the summer.




/feeble attempt at bumping old thread

[Magicaltroll]

Does anyone know of that site that has the really, really in depth interpretation of The Downward Spiral? I've been trying to find it, but I can't...

If anyone knows what I'm talking about, I'd appreciate a link or something.

[misunderstood]

^I know exactly what site you're talking about. It's SickAmongThePure.com
I actually had the page where the interpretation was at bookmarked, but the site was shutdown a while back...so now there's no access to it. I've tried looking for it on other places around the net but no luck.

[repcak]

i have saved it on my harddisk :p i can upload it :thumb: wait a moment and i will post the link

edit: unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/NIN - TDS.doc

[ThunderBass]

well im already drunk... sounds close enough to me... on goes spiral!!!

[misunderstood]

i have saved it on my harddisk :p i can upload it :thumb: wait a moment and i will post the link

edit: unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/NIN - TDS.doc
Great! Thanks for the upload...I've been looking for this for a while now. I should have just asked on here to see if anyone had it...:mad:
Anyway, I'm neither drunk nor high but I'm still about to put TDS in. :p

[Magicaltroll]

i have saved it on my harddisk :p i can upload it :thumb: wait a moment and i will post the link

edit: unet.univie.ac.at/~a0403759/NIN - TDS.doc
I love you :lol:

Thanks.

[repcak]

hehe,... no problem.

just came home from the city (its 3am) and i'm not drunk either :p

[Kage]

This analysis of The Downward Spiral is fascinating. I hadn't read it before, but it brings up many points I hadn't thought of before.

[Kage]

Eh, I'd be surprised if all or even most of the connections the essay draws to society, sociology, literature or psychology were intened by Reznor as he wrote the album. But I think that's even more poignant, the way the subconscious manipulates everything about what we do, and the way different aspects of life affect everything else, and how a person's frame of references, experiences and biases can bring a completely different and unique experience to something that everyone experiences.

I thought the way he tied different thematic elements of the album into each other was great. Like the repetition of certain lyrical phrases, the juxtaposition of natural, human sounds versus that of machines and the way those represent the magic of the unknown versus the sterile, hollow reality presented by science. It is very much in line with a lot of the Romantic and Symbolist artistic movements that share a similar existentialist tilt with Reznor. It's amazing the way things work out that way.

[repcak]

in music there is never a 100% true interpretation. the essay has elements and interpretation in it, i never thought before, but you should never forget that music is subjective - so its up to you how you interprate it.
other interpretations can help you to see the larger picture, but its up to you if you wanna believe it or not. some of the things i see the same as the author, some others not.

[repcak]

its exactly one year ago, that NIN played in Vienna :D

14.6.2006 ... yup ... time pass

[White]

I just realized that "sin" is a wicked song haha, I was listning to it today and its gotta be my favorite song

[X3r6x]

My favourite song from NIN is definitely Only, the videos pretty cool too =)

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I think mines gotta either be 'suck' or 'piggy'
Used to be 'the perfect drug' but then i kinda overlistened to it and i find it boring now.

[bwnstl]

I couldn't pick only one favorite NIN song. Maybe one from each album:

Something I Can Never Have
Gave Up
The Becoming/I Do Not Want This/Eraser [I couldn't decide...]
We're In This Together/The Great Below [left disc]
The Mark Has Been Made/Ripe (With Decay) [right disc]
And All That Could Have Been
The Line Begins To Blur/Beside You In Time


See? I can't even pick just one from each album.

[borisdablade]

in music there is never a 100% true interpretation. the essay has elements and interpretation in it, i never thought before, but you should never forget that music is subjective - so its up to you how you interprate it.
other interpretations can help you to see the larger picture, but its up to you if you wanna believe it or not. some of the things i see the same as the author, some others not.

I agree to an extent however, like in literature, some interpretations are more plausible than others. The essay does an ok job of showing how TDS is inspired by existential thought, but the level of analysis isn't really all that much deeper than you would get from a fan imo.

[ThunderBass]

I couldn't pick only one favorite NIN song. Maybe one from each album:

Something I Can Never Have
Gave Up
The Becoming/I Do Not Want This/Eraser [I couldn't decide...]
We're In This Together/The Great Below [left disc]
The Mark Has Been Made/Ripe (With Decay) [right disc]
And All That Could Have Been
The Line Begins To Blur/Beside You In Time


See? I can't even pick just one from each album.


man you did better than me... i just tried that and struggled to keep it to three from each album... lol

[preciouswhore]

Favorite song?
Pffffftttt, sure, why don't I pick my favorite freckle?
I'm not saying that I like everything (Some of it's.....I dunno, just yea) but the majority of their stuff I love.
Hence my being part of The Spiral, anyone else here?

[Werny]

I doubt it's intentional, I doubt Trent's even heard of them, but has anyone else noticed the similarity between The Hand That Feeds and Only Hate (Baresark) by Esoteric?

[misunderstood]

Favorite song?
Pffffftttt, sure, why don't I pick my favorite freckle?
I'm not saying that I like everything (Some of it's.....I dunno, just yea) but the majority of their stuff I love.
Hence my being part of The Spiral, anyone else here?

I'm part of The Spiral as well. Actually, my membership is about to expire in about two weeks or so...I know there's not much going on with NIN right now and it will remain the same for quite some time, but meh, I'm still planning on renewing. Not only do I get a discount for the renewal but I enjoy the boards over there.

Anyway, sorry to bring an old thread back but I was just wondering if anyone's heard anything on the live dvd that was supposedly recorded during the last tour? Or anything new on NIN for that matter? It's been a really long time since I've been on these boards...internet and computer problems.

[Kage]

As far as I know there's really nothing going on right now. Who knows what he's doing, but he's not sharing it with us.

[LostChild]

I'm pretty sure he's at work on a new album already, including songs that didn't make it on With Teeth.

[Kage]

Hopefully.

He can do better than With Teeth.

[repcak]

yes, he said (over a year ago) that he is writting songs and it should be a solo-project -> that means: only he and his piano. so we can expect another "still" record! that would be awesome

[repcak]

Hopefully.

He can do better than With Teeth.
i always thought you love WT?

[Kage]

I do.

He can do better.

[LostChild]

I do.

He can do better.Yeah, With Teeth is great, and has some pretty excellent songs on it, but it lacks the consistency of quality that can be found on the earlier albums.

[repcak]

i still think TF is his best work; he can never top it!

[Kage]

I agree that TF is the best, though The Downward Sprial is riiight there. I hope he can outdo himself, if not in pure brilliance than perhaps in pure beauty and emotion (if the piano/voice thing is true).

Maybe the problem is that now that he's sober, he doesn't need the catharsis that making music provides him, so he's less willing to put as much time, headaches, and effort into his layered expressionist pieces. And what he's left with are his pop sensibilites.

[LostChild]

I've actually never listened to The Fragile, though I plan to at some point and I have high expectations.

Therefore, at present I'm ready to call The Downward Spiral the best of TR's works that I've heard.

I know it's an essential album, but it's never been convenient for me to go out and buy the Fragile. If I have a good opportunity I will, but lately I'm spending my money on other albums/things.

[Kage]

That album was life-changing for me.

hey! I should go add that to my list in the life-changing albums thread. I forgot about it.

[LostChild]

I'm not quite expecting it to be life-changing. It could be, but I don't want to set my expectations at any higher than it being a brilliant album, because high hopes only lead to disappointment.

I'm not sure if I've ever really had a "life-changing" album. Maybe albums that change my perspective on music, but not on life. How was it life changing for you, Kage?

[Kage]

Erm, that's hard to say exactly how. It's an intangible thing. It's got to do with abstractions and thought-processes and all that ambiguous stuff that makes an artist an artist and engineers mad.

[LostChild]

That's understandable. The closest I've gotten to life changing was probably the extreme pre-occupation I've had with some Radiohead and Muse works.

The problem is, if an album grips me from the get-go, I can only hold on to it for so long. If a record is amazing, but not absolutely incredible, then I can listen to it over and over again and not as easily tire of it.

[repcak]

i could never love TDS. i don't know why - the beginning is 10 out of 10; all great songs, but after 'Closer' it has a hangover till the end (-> the last two songs are great again).

The Fragile is 10 out of 10 for whole two discs...

[Kage]

It's the opposite for me. Closer begins the best part of the disc and it's classic all the way through the end.

[hollowpainting]

Closer is such a deep track. It really makes me feel great listening to it. It's their song, in my opinion.

[misunderstood]

It's the opposite for me. Closer begins the best part of the disc and it's classic all the way through the end.
Same here. I love TDS and I've always personally thought that that was the album to top. I think TF is a beautiful/fantastic album but (especially the left side) but there's just always been something about TDS that I can't get over. Most of my favorite NIN tracks probably come off that album including 'The Becoming', 'Heresy', and 'Eraser'.

[LostChild]

Yeah, The Downward Spiral obviously has some of NIN's better tunes on it. I think it probably gets better after Closer, but some of the songs before are also great. "March of the Pigs" is solid, "Heresy" is one of my favorite songs on the album. But "Ruiner" and "Reptile" are some of my favorites by NIN.

[repcak]

i love the musicvideo of March of the Pigs - Trent Reznor at his best :thumb:

[LostChild]

i love the musicvideo of March of the Pigs - Trent Reznor at his best :thumb:Yeah, the video is great. I like the agression.

[repcak]

hist clothing, stlye, hairs - that is the trent reznor i have in mind everytime i think about NIN.
those were the best NIN days. wonderful

[LostChild]

Yeah, that's basically the classic Trent Reznor image.

I think he looked better around the With Teeth recording, before he shaved his head.

[repcak]

i didn't like the Trent "Hulk" Reznor. i was in the second row at the concert and he was standing 5metres in front of me... it wasn't the trent i imagined always :(

[LostChild]

Yeah, the muscular guy with a shaved head really doesn't coincide with the typical Trent image. But if that's what he wanted to do with himself, he shouldn't have to worry about maintaining the "image" people expect from him.

[repcak]

yes thats true. its his life and if it easier for him with coping depressions by body-building, its ok.

i only talked about my own subjective imagination of Trent.

[Kage]

Trent looks like a ****ing queer nowadays.

[repcak]

Trent looks like a ****ing queer nowadays.

:lol:

[Bartender]

I searched the thread and found nothing, but given how reliable the search can be that doesn't mean much.

Anyway, does anyone here know/like Sunna? I remember hearing them (saw them live on some magazine's compilation tape) and not liking them much around the time they released One Minute Science, but I picked up the album a couple of weeks ago for cheap, for one song. Not listened to it all the way through yet (mostly just the one song I remember liking, actually), but it seems okay, and very NIN-like. Worth checking out "Power Struggle", if nothing else, if you're a NIN fan, I think.

[Moses]

omg bartender's posting!!!

Was that you that banned that Fagoster idiot?

[Bartender]

Yep.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Trent looks like a ****ing queer nowadays.

Ever since he started lobbing for PETA, he's been acting like one too. >:-[ :p

[Kage]

Are you ****ing serious? I hate PETA.

[LostChild]

Are you ****ing serious? I hate PETA.Yeah. He did public service announcements for them and everything.

[Kage]

This is the same PETA that Penn and Teller did a "Bullshit" documentary on, right?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Well actually what he did with/for PETA was somewhat just; the Chinese fur industry is kind of icky and stuff, and he wanted ot show people how icky it was/is, so he made a documentary about it or something.

PETA as a whole is just plain stupid though. Ugh, hippies.

[LostChild]

If you mean People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, yes.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.furisdead.com/page/425-trent.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.furisdead.com/feat-trentreznor.asp&h=225&w=425&sz=22&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=jhthnSbnFFDeMM:&tbnh=67&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrent%2Breznor%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D

[Kage]

Fur I can understand. But PETA is just way too far up their own asses in general.

[borisdablade]

i love the musicvideo of March of the Pigs - Trent Reznor at his best :thumb:

Beavis and Butthead watching that video cracks me up everytime. "Where do these dudes get their shiny pants? I think you just get regular pants and have them like...shined"

[misunderstood]

No 'Closure' yet BUT! we've got a teaser for the live dvd that they filmed during their last tour. It's looks great! Maybe even better than AATCHB. Check it out:
http://staging.nin.com/hotnuts/byit_teaser_480.mov

[Kage]

Holy crap, that looks really awesome. That is some high quality. Looks unreally clear and crisp.

[misunderstood]

^Yeah, no kidding. I can't wait for this. Apparently it's gonna be released in three different formats which sucks for those people who absolutely need to have them all. They'll have three identical dvds, heh. I'll be fine with just a regular dvd, damn it.

[Kage]

Haha, yeah, definitely.

[LostChild]

You are not authorized to view this page
You do not have permission to view this directory or page due to the access control list (ACL) that is configured for this resource on the Web server.

Of course not :upset:

[misunderstood]

^Ah, I'll try to get a link up for you a little later.

Ok, well, nevermind. it's up at NIN.com now.

[misunderstood]

Holy sh!t! New NIN European tour dates are up! No U.S. dates as of yet though. This seems so soon..kinda exciting even though I'm no where near any of the stops. I can't believe the album is nearly done. Reznor posted a few days ago on the spiral boards that that album would be mixed in January (apparently expecting April release as of now). And now this tour! All I can say is that it is a damn good thing that they're not touring around here at the same time as Tool is 'cause I can't afford all these concerts..:p *needs to get a job*

10 feb 07 lisbon, portugal
11 feb 07 lisbon, portugal
12 feb 07 lisbon, portugal
14 feb 07 madrid, spain
16 feb 07 bilbao, spain
18 feb 07 barcelona, spain
21 feb 07 paris, france
22 feb 07 paris, france
23 feb 07 lille, france
25 feb 07 manchester, uk
28 feb 07 glasgow, uk
03 mar 07 nottingham, uk
04 mar 07 birmingham, uk
07 mar 07 london, uk
08 mar 07 london, uk
14 mar 07 koln, germany
18 mar 07 brussels, belgium
21 mar 07 amsterdam, holland
24 mar 07 berlin, germany
26 mar 07 stuttgart, germany
28 mar 07 munich, germany
29 mar 07 vienna, austria
01 apr 07 milan, italy
02 apr 07 zurich, switzerland
04 apr 07 frankfurt, germany
06 apr 07 copenhagen, denmark
07 apr 07 oslo, norway
08 apr 07 stockholm, sweden
10 apr 07 helsinki, finland

[Polyamarous]

Huzzah! Birmingham it is!
This is gonna be awesome!

[Ghosts Revenge]

**** **** **** ****

29 mar 07 vienna, austria

i love you i love you i love you... the best news today :D

[Kage]

I had no idea a new album was really in motion at this point...that's amazing.

[repcak]

yeah, great news indeed. i hope i will get tickets again :D

[repcak]

does anyone knows what he plans to do? about one/two years ago, after WT, there were rumours Trent want to make a album in the sense of "Still" - is this still true?

[misunderstood]

^I doubt the new album will be anything like Still. I believe they once asked him during a spiral chat about that and he said something along the lines of that idea only being a thought but nothing certain. Maybe he will eventually do it...it'd be great. Same thing for his 'solo' tour he had mentioned. As of now, this upcoming tour includes the whole band...same lineup according to him.

[Kage]

I hope he doesn't go for the organic drum sound again.

[misunderstood]

Yeah and I hope they keep this album pretty safe. I'd hate to hear that it's been leaked like With Teeth was. It was quite difficult for me to keep from listening to any of the tracks..it was very tempting. :p:

[Kage]

I want to hear him do something totally different.

[misunderstood]

Me too. I'm really hoping the new album won't be much like With Teeth. Not that I disliked the album 'cause I thought it was pretty good and solid record. But I dont know, something new and different would be great. If not, I'd love to hear something that goes back to the Broken/TDS era.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'm trying to picture Trent in some other kind of musical envirnment, but all I can see is NIN.

What comes to mind for you, Kage?

[Kage]

Same thing, really. I can't see him doing anything other than NIN-esque material, even though he's worked on other projects (Lost Highway soundtrack, etc.), he'll always be trapped inside NIN.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think his personal style fits in with industrial so well that I can't fathom it sounding good in any other setting...Look at Mike Patton; his frenetic style works well for Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, etc, but in Peeping Tom, it sort of sounded like he was harnessing his inner 'jumpdafukkup' and in turn, he created crap material, albeit his record label's best-selling album in existence. :-/

[JamJar]

I'm so going to see them on the European tour. I also can't believe that the new album is predicted to come out as early as April.

[repcak]

NIN tickets will be on sale on monday... 6.nov.2006 :D

i hope i will get them again ... though they are playing in a small hall and the sound-quality won't be as good as last time (open air).

[misunderstood]

Lucky you. I still have to wait around and see when they'll be coming around here again. I can't believe they're touring again though..I just saw them this past summer. I'm just now recovering from all my NIN spendings I've done since they started touring for WT back in '05! Not that I'm complaining though. :p
I wonder how much they'll be between the release of the dvd and the new album. I doubt they'll be out together.

[bwnstl]

Yeah, I saw them last October. I can't believe it's been over a year since I saw them. What a great show...

[Montana]

I'm so excited about this album. And I hope he does a North American tour next year, I really want to see them live very badly.

I also can't believe that the new album is predicted to come out as early as April.

that would be awesome.

[repcak]

i'm a little bit confused... do we get a dvd, a new album or a new live album?

[Kage]

DVD of the With Teeth tour, and new studio album in '07.

[repcak]

why a second dvd? the last one is great... well, does he need now money or what?

1) With Teeth (after 4yrs) ... its ok, but then
2) his fanbase where you have to pay
3) looooong tour
4) new studio album (well, its ok)
5) new dvd... what the hell?!

[misunderstood]

Who knows why he's doing another one, but I'm looking forward to it. The teaser that was posted a while back looks great! Awesome quality..very crisp and clear. I think it might still be up over at nin.com actually.

[repcak]

the last dvd has a great quality too... i don't care

[Kage]

Well DVD's are cool to release after a tour so fans who saw the band can have a memior and fans who didn't catch a show can start to re-create the experience.

[repcak]

well. so at least i can hope it would be the vienna show which was great :D but they didn't record it :upset:

[repcak]

tickets are online.... they wanna have 38€ for this show in this ****ty place :eek:
for students its less, but still 35€ :eek:

now i really don't know if i should buy it, cause on the one hand i already saw them live and the place has not the best sound quality so they won't be better than last time... i will pay 35€ only to see them, but i know it won't be THAT great as last time... hm... what shall i do?

[bwnstl]

It's NIN, is there any other choice?

[misunderstood]

:D
NIN just announced that the live With Teeth dvd is gonna be released on Feb. 27th in the U.S.! It's actually coming sooner than I thought. Then two months later we'll have the new album..according to Trent anyway.
So here's the tracklist for the dvd:
North American Winter Tour 2006:

1. Love Is Not Enough
2. You Know What You Are?
3. Terrible Lie
4. The Line Begins To Blur
5. March Of The Pigs
6. Something I Can Never Have
7. Closer
8. Burn
9. Gave Up
10. Eraser*
11. Right Where It Belongs*
12. Beside You In Time*
13. With Teeth
14. Wish
15. Only
16. The Big Come Down
17. Hurt
18. The Hand That Feeds
19. Head Like A Hole

*includes alternate angle


Additional Content:

North American Summer Tour 2006:

1. Somewhat Damaged
2. Closer
3. Help Me I Am In Hell
4. Non-Entity
5. Only

- The Hand That Feeds music video
- Only music video
- Love Is Not Enough live @ rehearsals 2005
- Every Day Is Exactly The Same live @ rehearsals 2005
- The Collector live @ rehearsals 2005
- image gallery

*There's a picture of the dvd cover up at nin.com
Not that great a cover, I thought but whatever. Trent kinda looks like Bigfoot, heh. :confused:

[Kage]

Thanks for the update, misunderstood! Great tracklist. I'm very happy that it's heavy on With Teeth material.

[punintended_42]

I just heard about the DVD the other day and I can't wait to get it. I'm more excited for that than I am for Christmas. I went to the show on 6.18 in Saratoga, NY. It was absolutely amazing. Trent is still amazing after all these years! Love him!

[magicbus]

I kinda wish they had "A Warm Place" right before Eraser there :p

But that looks like a pretty sweet tracklist. I might have to check that out.

[deadinholywood]

Gah! Right Where It Belongs and Somewhat Damaged....I need this!!!

[The Real Frances]

NIN, another band I've collected everything of.
All great albums
Always good live

[Thasis]

^ Same as me

This is just another great thread that needs revival. NIN is the shiznit!

[Kage]

I'm really anticipating their new album. Should be great.

Also, I've been listening to the Fragile a lot lately.

[Thasis]

I used to listen to The Downward Spiral a lot, but now I'm digging WITH_TEATH. Good album.

I wasn't aware of a new album. I hope he pulls off something as good as their latest release, it was decent.

[Kage]

I think it will be better than With Teeth. Trent descriped it as "conceptual, noisy, and ****ing cool."

[pixiesfanyo]

I'm excited.

[Thasis]

Noisy aye, I always liked Noise-Metal so if he can make some Industrial Noise-esh inspired stuff I'd be happy as hell :) I just hope he doesn't loose his flair and kinnda flop...

[Kage]

I doubt it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Has he grown his hair back and gone off the Androlone yet?

[Kage]

lol hopefully he'll stop getting haircuts, and replace androlone with heroine and cocaine and whatever the hell else he needs to use to **** himself up.

[Thasis]

I doubt it.

Well at least I can wish :rolleyes:

[Kage]

I just hope he doesn't loose his flair and kinnda flop...
I meant I doubt it to this.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

lol hopefully he'll stop getting haircuts, and replace androlone with heroine and cocaine and whatever the hell else he needs to use to **** himself up.

Depressing music is inherently better than everything else. Ergo, I'm all for this.

[repcak]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=2358

now i expect something good.... i hope i won't be dissapointed this time.
WT was fine after the release, but afterwards i just didn't listen to it anymore... i like TF much more

[Thasis]

The Downward Spiral still stands as my personal favorite. I find myself listening to With Teeth more often though.

[repcak]

The Fragile, Broken and Pretty hate machine are my favourites...

[misunderstood]

:eek:
Just saw a setlist of tonight's show and I'm very surprised yet very very pleased to see that they performed 'We're In This Together Now'! ..and 'Ruiner'. That must have been one hell of an awesome show...I'd kill to experience We're In this Together live. If I'm not mistaken, I believe this is the first time it's ever been played, no?
I thought they'd never play this song seeing as how Trent did mention that the vocals were too high for him...maybe we'll also finally get to hear 'And All That Could Have Been'.

For anyone interested, here's the actual setlist:

Somewhat Damaged
You Know What You Are
We're In This Together (!!)
March Of The Pigs
Closer
Burn
Reptile
Ruiner (!!)
Wish
Gave Up
With Teeth
Dead Souls
TDTWWA
Help Me I'm In Hell
Eraser
Only
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole

[Kage]

RUINER

[magicbus]

Ruiner is such an amazing song. So does this mean they're touring?

EDIT: Europe, bummer.

[bwnstl]

Wow, that's absolutely immense that they played We're In this Together Now. You are correct, it's the first time it'd been played.

[deadinholywood]

Mmm I always loved the video for that song too!

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Why hadn't they played it before that?

[misunderstood]

^Well, during one of the meets we had at a concert, someone asked him if he'd ever consider playing that song live and his response was something along the lines of .."I dont think so. That song is to high for my voice. I don't know what i was thinking when I recorded it".
So maybe he's gotten some vocal training now? I don't know.

[repcak]

****... and i haven't bought the tickets... and NIN is playing two days in vienna!!!!

[Montana]

Wow, that looks like a good show. I wish I lived in Europe.

[misunderstood]

^Yeah, no kiding. Wish I could afford traveling to Europe for these things..:p
****... and i haven't bought the tickets... and NIN is playing two days in vienna!!!!
:eek: ....Better hurry to get those tickets, I think I saw that one of the shows was already sold out. Actually, alot of the damn shows are sold out.

By the way, the full tracklisting for the new album is up. I know there's another thread going on solely about the new album but just figured I put here instead. Looks like this time we'll get 16 tracks!

Hyperpower!
The Beginning Of The Dead
Survivalism
The Good Soldier
Vessel
Me, I'm Not
Capital G
My Violent Heart
The Warning
God Given
Your Master
The Greater Good
The Great Destroyer
Another Version of The Truth
In This Twilight
Zero-Sum

'Hyperpower!"? I don't know. Titles seem a little...fake? Maybe Trent is messing with everyone? Ah, who knows..it's the same thing I thought when Tool released their tracklisting and look how that turned out..it was all real.

[Kage]

I'm sure it's just for fun.

[bwnstl]

I find it odd that "Hyperpower!" is the only one that's italicized.

[repcak]

i'm sure they are sold out for weeks...


holy ****..... they are playing 4times in London :eek:


edit: misunderstood...you're right. i still can get those fukking tickets... ****...

[repcak]

For anyone interested, here's the actual setlist:

Somewhat Damaged
You Know What You Are
We're In This Together (!!)
March Of The Pigs
Closer
Burn
Reptile
Ruiner (!!)
Wish
Gave Up
With Teeth
Dead Souls
TDTWWA
Help Me I'm In Hell
Eraser
Only
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole

you know what? if the setlist will stay as it is... i will buy the tickets... the setlist is... nine-inch-nailgasm :smoke:

[Kage]

All the songs you bolded (aside from We're in This Together Now) are my least favorite NIN songs. :p

[repcak]

you know that i appreciate the "harder" site of Trent Reznor more :D a 2nd Broken would be great - and "burn" is just one of his best releases!!!


40Euros for one ticket... :upset: too much for me :(

[penelope weird hands]

Anyone seen the track titles yet?
They seem as mediocre/crappy as the album title.

'Hyperpower!'
... :/

*fingers crossed*

[Kage]

Hyperpower! is obviously just a fun title. Everything doesn't have to be Hyperserious! all the time.

[misunderstood]

you know that i appreciate the "harder" site of Trent Reznor more :D a 2nd Broken would be great - and "burn" is just one of his best releases!!!

a 2nd broken would be good but I'd take a 2nd TDS any time! :p
Mr.Self-Destruct is an awesome album opener, methinks. And concert opener as well..I've seen them open a show with that one, Somewhat Damaged and You Know What You are..and my favorite by far has been Pilgrimage/Self-Destruct.

you know what? if the setlist will stay as it is... i will buy the tickets... the setlist is... nine-inch-nailgasm :smoke:
:p Yes, that particular setlist was orgasmic! But it's not the same one they play every night. I'd be very satisfied with that one though. Tonight's set didn't have We're In This Together Now..but it did have Into the Void, The Fragile and Even Deeper.
By the way, the "Only" clip that was posted today at nin.com (from the live dvd) was awesome!

[Montana]

I think "Hyperpower!" sounds funny. Maybe it's something political.

This is a dumb question really, but I was wondering which disc of The Fragile is the beginning disc, if there is even a proper one to start with. If I'm listening to the whole album at once, I always start with the right.

[Clunge]

March Of The Pigs is quite possibly, the best piece of music ever.

The contrast is just brilliant, I can't think of another example that is quite so startling.

[Montana]

Nevermind my question about the Fragile. I just unfolded the album and noticed the tracklist starts with the left. So I've been listening backwards. :(

[Kage]

That's so weird. To me it was always obvious that Left was the first disc.

[Polyamarous]

Does anyone know who the support band(s) is/are?