Nine Inch Nails

[Killtacular]

Yes it is.

No it's not.

[Leper Affinity]

No it's not.
A concept album is an album with a storyline. I don't see how it could be considered a concept album if it has no storyline.

[heavy metal kid]

No it's not.

To be a concept album, it must have a storyline or at least a main theme on all songs.

The order isn't necesary.

[Killtacular]

To be a concept album, it must have an storyline or at least a main theme on all songs.

The order isn't necesary.

This is why the Fragile is a concept album, not because it has a storyline. Just like Dark Side of the Moon and Ride the Lightning.

[Leper Affinity]

What theme does The Fragile have?

[Killtacular]

What theme does The Fragile have?
There's a general theme to the album of systems failing and things sort of falling apart.

(argawerf)

[Leper Affinity]

Fair enough. :) I always thought every song had some kind of emotional consistency, but it never had anything specific enough to be considered a concept album.

[Killtacular]

Wikipedia is a wonderful website. I could get lost for hours.

[bwnstl]

Fair enough. :) I always thought every song had some kind of emotional consistency, but it never had anything specific enough to be considered a concept album.

A concept album that tells a story is a rock opera, I believe.

And yes, Wikipedia is "teh ****."

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

No it's not.

A concept album that has no storyline is an oxymoron. A concept album is an album that tells a story. :confused:

So who thinks a NIN/Porcupine Tree tour would be worth losing your virginity to a 35 year old biker named Chuck just to see the concert? :-D I would.

[BlindWriting]

While The Fragile is not a concept album in the more convential storyline approach, like TDS, it does have some linking themes. Musically, there are some repeated sounds, such as the music in The Frail being repeated a couple times throughout. There are other, much more subtle examples of this. Also, lyrically, there are some definite themes.

With Teeth DID start out as a concept album (Bleedthrough), and there are some repeated lyrical themes (lines blurring, one being right where he belongs), but otherwise, it does not hold much of an actual concept.

[Killtacular]

A concept album that has no storyline is an oxymoron. A concept album is an album that tells a story. :confused:

No it's not!!!

A concept album can tell a story, but it doesn't have to. It can just have a general theme that all the songs adhere to. For example: Ride the Lightning is a concept album, because all songs are ways of dying, which is the theme.

[G_Mac07]

I just found Halo's 1-17 on my college network. I have a lot of listening to do. :cool:

[tenorbass]

hey guys i got the 2 halos i was missing. But i am missing that track hurt from ....And all that could of been. aim me on AngryYoungMan621 today PLEASE!!!

[G_Mac07]

Apparently you're busy doing your homework...

[tenorbass]

hehe sorry about that man. Thanks for the track!! :thumb:

[repcak]

G_Mac07 can you make me a favor and delete your avater? replace it... please. its horrible. is so gay

[Killtacular]

G_Mac07 can you make me a favor and delete your avater? replace it... please. its horrible. is so gay

Are you not comfortable enough with your sexuality that a little of David Hasslehoff's manly chest bothers you that much?

[Tibbs]

NOFX :lol: RULE HAHA

[Killtacular]

Umm... okay?

[Reywas]

David Hasslehoff > most of you in terms of awesomness

[Leper Affinity]

So who thinks a NIN/Porcupine Tree tour would be worth losing your virginity to a 35 year old biker named Chuck just to see the concert? :-D I would.
I've never heard any Procupined Tree, so I couldn't tell you.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Porcupine Tree is one of those bands that I want to get into (because they're obviously talented musically) but cannot because they have that little cheesiness factor that I cannot stand.

[Tryxx]

Not sure if this has ever been posted, but an in depth article and analysis of The Downward Spiral.

http://www.sickamongthepure.com/files/2002/02/TDS/TDS.html

[Leper Affinity]

Porcupine Tree is one of those bands that I want to get into (because they're obviously talented musically) but cannot because they have that little cheesiness factor that I cannot stand.
The band name is an instant turnoff for me.

[Mild Child]

NOFX :lol: RULE HAHA
you're an idiot

[G_Mac07]

So who thinks a NIN/Porcupine Tree tour would be worth losing your virginity to a 35 year old biker named Chuck just to see the concert? :-D I would.

I'd do it. :amaze:

G_Mac07 can you make me a favor and delete your avater? replace it... please. its horrible. is so gay

It's totally gay, which is why it cracks me up. It'll stay for a week or so.

[repcak]

It's totally gay, which is why it cracks me up. It'll stay for a week or so.
ok, then i won't be on MX anymore... for ... one week?! :wave:
bye, bye... till next week.

[Thor'sHammer]

eh,im not excited about a new NIN album,theyr good but i lost interest in them before with teeth came out

[Killtacular]

eh,im not excited about a new NIN album,he's good but i lost interest in him before with teeth came out

Fix'd.

[G_Mac07]

ok, then i won't be on MX anymore... for ... one week?! :wave:
bye, bye... till next week.

oh noes! :(

[Killtacular]

Gwah!! Why'd you change it for him? You're supposed to stick it to the man!!

I'm very, very disappointed in you.

[G_Mac07]

I don't like confrontation!

Plus it was pretty annoying.

[Killtacular]

*e-sigh*

I guess I'll have to stick it to the man myself.

[G_Mac07]

You could dress up as me for Halloween?

[Killtacular]

I.. couuullld, but I did such hard work on my avatar to spiff it up.

[G_Mac07]

That is true. Anyway, how about we stop spamming up the place. :)

[Killtacular]

Done.

So... how 'bout that Fragile, The?

[bwnstl]

Pretty **** good, it is. :thumb:

[repcak]

oh noes! :(

:rolleyes: :amaze: :lol: :lol: :lol:

thank you man!!! muchos gracias. your new avatar is much better :thumb:
//nice signature :p

[bwnstl]

Holy crap, saw them Friday. Most amazing show I think I'll ever see in my life.

[misunderstood]

Just saw the band last night. Wow. It was my second time seeing them but this show was obviously nothing compared to the first time. "Beside You In Time" was beautiful, I thought, as was "Right Where It Belongs". There was so much energy even from Jeordie who usually tends to just be very relaxed and mellow. I was actually fortunate enough to get into soundcheck and then met the band after. Awesome guys...all of them. Got my 'With Teeth' album autographed...it was an great experience.

[ThunderBass]

Saw them when they came out here a couple months ago... Best concert ive ever been to... and thats an understatement...

[Reywas]

The guys above have some really nice avatars.I finally downloaded Still.And man, Wish extended is great.

[repcak]

what are you guys doing that you get backstage!? i thought thats impossible!! any tips...

[misunderstood]

what are you guys doing that you get backstage!? i thought thats impossible!! any tips...

Well, when you join their fanclub, you have a chance of getting in. Honestly, that's the only reason I joined...I figured I'd give it a chance (and well, you get some other neat stuff). Not everyone who was there got in though which sucks 'cause alot of people were carrying posters and whatnot to get signed. You have have to be there pretty early and wait for a long time. ONly the first few people get to go in. Or you can always find someone who is already part of 'the spiral' and go in with them. Everyone is allowed to bring in one guest with them. Well, joining the fanclub was well worth it. Trent is such a nice, humble guy.

[lionelhutz88]

you'e very lucky to have met Trent. He seems pretty cool.

[6COF6ATG6]

im not trying to offend anyone but i personally have no faith in Trent Reznor mostly because he is not metal and has no song writting ability he is also a trendy fag who enjoys posing for magazines

[Killtacular]

Nice. Go die in a fire.

[Shadows]

NIN is not metal, but that has nothing to do with how much "faith" you can place on him.

Trent has incredible songwriting ability. This is damn near solid fact, not opinion. I'd be strongly willing to doubt that any of us could compose and arrange such complex music, let alone mimick the emotion Trent puts into his work.

Saying Trent is "a trendy fag who enjoys posing for magazines" shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. That is exactly what Trent despises in the music business, and he has never followed any trends. Go listen to Star****ers for god's sake and then tell me he's an attention whore.

[misunderstood]

Man, you are so lucky...what did you say to him? I'd absolutely love to get to meet Trent. What was the setlist like for you as well?


To be utterly honest with you, I don't even remeber exactly what I said to him. He just shook my hand and asked how I was doing. I said fine and asked him how he'd been holding up on this tour. Told him I was very excited about tonights show...looking forward to an awesome time. He said he was just as excited and thanked me for being there. I think I said something like.."i appreciate you taking the time to do this for us' and he said.."no, thank you".
Anyway, the setlist was:
Pinion
Love Is Not Enough
You Know What You Are?
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins To Blur
March of the Pigs
The Frail
The Wretched
Closer/The Only Time
Burn
Gave up
Eraser
Right Where It Belongs
Beside You in Time
Wish
Sin
Only
Reptile
Suck
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole

[BlindWriting]

To be utterly honest with you, I don't even remeber exactly what I said to him. He just shook my hand and asked how I was doing. I said fine and asked him how he'd been holding up on this tour. Told him I was very excited about tonights show...looking forward to an awesome time. He said he was just as excited and thanked me for being there. I think I said something like.."i appreciate you taking the time to do this for us' and he said.."no, thank you".
Anyway, the setlist was:
Pinion
Love Is Not Enough
You Know What You Are?
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins To Blur
March of the Pigs
The Frail
The Wretched
Closer/The Only Time
Burn
Gave up
Eraser
Right Where It Belongs
Beside You in Time
Wish
Sin
Only
Reptile
Suck
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Head Like A Hole
Haha. I remember running into Bill Murray at a health food store near where I live, and I sort of said but was at a complete loss for words.

Oh and Holy Moses, that's an amazing setlist. Between The Wretched (!) and Beside You In Time (!!) all I have to say is wow.

[misunderstood]

That's a nice setlist as well...longer than some of the others they've been doing from the looks of things, although it suffers from my usual complaint of needing more stuff from The Downward Spiral.


Yeah, I enjoyed the setlist very much ('Reptile' was awesome) but I do wish they'd play some more stuff off of 'The Fragile' actually. I'd love to hear 'Just Like You Imagined', 'We're in This Together Now', 'Into the Void', and 'TDTWWA'. From TDS, I'd absolutely love to hear 'The Becoming' (one of my favorite NIN songs), 'Mr.Self Destruct' and 'Ruiner'.

Anyway, the good news is that they're going to embark on another North American tour in January. And according to Reznor himself, there will be more cities and longs setlists. Perahps some of the songs that haven't been played live in a while will come back. I'm looking forward to another tour.

[Kage]

Heh, I know the feeling about just not knowing what to say when you meet someone like that. Normally I'm a pretty articulate sort of guy, but when I met Thom Yorke I was completely lost for words. I can't even really remember what I said to him now, although I know it was pretty incoherent and involved professions of absolute love for his music. That's a nice setlist as well...longer than some of the others they've been doing from the looks of things, although it suffers from my usual complaint of needing more stuff from The Downward Spiral.
I was like that when I met Dredg. Of course, I'm not a very vocal person to begin with, as I'm better at getting my thoughts across in writing, but when I met them, all I remember was just hitting myself afterwards for how much of a fool I must've been.

[Shadows]

It's odd...his lyrics are quite simplistic for the most part, but as a songwriter he is amazing. It's the layering within the songs that does it...even though I'm not a huge fan, that's really well shown on The Fragile.
His lyrics are simplstic, but I', always amaze at how much he conveys with basic phrasing. In compositions, The Fragile is like a landmark.

[repcak]

when i first heard of the fanclub on nin.com i was impressed... what a great idea; Then i read that you have to pay for the fanclub and that their are several "stages" of clubs... normal, premium, etc. so to join the premium-club you have to pay more.
that's annoying!! Trent has enough money and i find it a stupid and damn idea to do so... Joe Satriani does it for free... i don't want to pay for a stupid club!!

Trent got so focused on money... i always thought, Trent is living for music, now i have to revise it!

[Shadows]

Trent has little/nothing to do with things like the fanclub.

[bwnstl]

Actually according to his website I think a lot of was his idea???

But regardless, Trent was never in it for the money and still isn't. I mean, he's taken like 5 years between records, is notoriously interview shy, and destroys all kinds of instruments at shows. He pretty much goes against everything a profitable musician would do. Not to mention he didn't have a lot of money until a couple months ago because his manager was stealing all of it.

[repcak]

ok, i agree... sure he isn't but its still stupid to pay for this!

when i went to G3 everyone was able to sign in on joe satriani's website and from all ppl, 5were chosen to get backstage and you haven't pay...

[tenorbass]

hey guys I am looking for the audio or video to Nine Inch Nails set at woodstock.
I did find the happines in slavery video. I http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1821687443682013228&q=Nine+Inch+Nails
So aim me angryyoungman621 if you have the video or audio.

[lionelhutz88]

Do they ever play Happiness in Slavery live or much of any thing off Broken?

[misunderstood]

They usually play 'Wish'..and the last two times I saw them live they played 'Pinion' and 'Gave Up'...They do play a few songs from it.

[lionelhutz88]

that's cool, I really enjoy that EP.

[misunderstood]

Yeah, I also like Broken very much. I do kinda wish they'd play a bit more from The Fragile though, but I guess it's understandable that they don't since they're on tour supporting With Teeth. Anyway, when they do the other US tour in January, hopefully the setlists will vary some more. Maybe they'll bring back some songs that haven't been played in a while..and hopefully they'll play some tracks that haven't been played live from WT like 'All the Love in the World'. I like to hear that one live.

[repcak]

the best song on 'Broken' is 'Help me i am in hell', i know its short and only an instrumental, but the title!!

i close my eyes, imagine 'hell' and listen to the song... :D it kicks ***

[misunderstood]

^Yeah, good song. Sometimes the instrumentals are the some of the most creative and best songs, I think. 'Just Like You Imagined' is one of my favorite NIN songs and it's also just an instrumental

[repcak]

and The Day the World went away...hm, its not an instrumental, but 80% of the song is instrumental, so it can be classified as one. [edit: the live version is longer]

and it's one of my favourite lyrics:

I'd listen to the words he'd say
but in his voice I heard decay
the plastic face forced to portray
all the insides left cold and gray
there is a place that still remains
it eats the fear it eats the pain
the sweetest price he'll have to pay
the day the whole world went away

'the sweetest price he'll have to pay' ... the price is suicide. well, thats my interpretation; he is talking about 'a place that still remains, it eats the fear it eats the pain' - and what can it be, if not the other world?!

ps.: i listen to just like you imagined and i have to say i forgot how beautiful it is :)

[bwnstl]

TDTWWA is not an instrumental. Songs either have lyrics or don't have lyrics. TDTWWA does have lyrics, thus it's not an instrumental. It's still an incredibly beautiful song (and even more chilling live).

[Kage]

and The Day the World went away...hm, its not an instrumental, but 80% of the song is instrumental, so it can be classified as one. [edit: the live version is longer]

and it's one of my favourite lyrics:

I'd listen to the words he'd say
but in his voice I heard decay
the plastic face forced to portray
all the insides left cold and gray
there is a place that still remains
it eats the fear it eats the pain
the sweetest price he'll have to pay
the day the whole world went away

'the sweetest price he'll have to pay' ... the price is suicide. well, thats my interpretation; he is talking about 'a place that still remains, it eats the fear it eats the pain' - and what can it be, if not the other world?!

ps.: i listen to just like you imagined and i have to say i forgot how beautiful it is :)
Those are some of my favorite NIN lyrics as well. That song is so amazing.

[repcak]

Not sure if this has ever been posted, but an in depth article and analysis of The Downward Spiral.

http://www.sickamongthepure.com/files/2002/02/TDS/TDS.html
just finished reading it.
A lot of things are very similar to the version of Med57 on Sputnikmusic, but this one is more complex and detailed.

Every NIN-Fan and regular in this thread should have read this article.

edit: is there anybody else who thinks that the song And all that could have been (album: Still) is one of the greatest Trent ever wrote!?

[Shadows]

I've never heard it. :( I wish Trent would stop releasing so many odd singles, EPs, and samplers and make larger, less frequent releases with more material on them. There's so many halos floating around it's overwhelming.

[misunderstood]

is there anybody else who thinks that the song And all that could have been (album: Still) is one of the greatest Trent ever wrote!?

AATCHB is a beautiful song, I think. I hadn't heard that one in a while until you brought it up today. Awesome song.

[Kage]

edit: is there anybody else who thinks that the song And all that could have been (album: Still) is one of the greatest Trent ever wrote!?
Yes! That's my favorite NIN song. Never has any NIN song been so powerful (and it has some great competition).

[bwnstl]

I agree, AATCHB is one of his emotional best. I actually think Still is the most solid album he's released. I love the acoustic feel of it, especially the piano instrumentals. He makes some of his best music when it's just him sitting behind a piano.

[repcak]

He makes some of his best music when it's just him sitting behind a piano.
yeah, that's true.. i love the video from his homepage where he is playing "Something i can never have" alone on piano ... it's so beautiful, i will never forget the day i first saw it...

edit: does anyone know a possibility to download the 'Live in-studio performances' from nin.com? wanna have it on pc....

edit2#: i will have birthday soon and my mum asked me what i need/want to have; i thought of a NIN-DVD... any recommendations? or is 'closure' the only one, which was released? and do there exist different versions of the dvd or only one?

[repcak]

hm.. i just looke at amazon: the AATCHB-DVD is the same as the live-cd... so it would be only a vizualised-cd-version;
Closure seems to be better but its only on VHS... or has it been released on DVD afterwards too? i can't find it. amazon doesn't have it :upset:

[misunderstood]

edit: does anyone know a possibility to download the 'Live in-studio performances' from nin.com? wanna have it on pc....

Well, if you go to yahoo and search for Nine Inch Nails under 'videos', they have a few of the in studio performances. If I'm not mistaken they have one of them rehearsing Just Like You Imagined. They also have The Becoming, and Something I Can Never Have. I'm not sure if you can save them on to your pc or not...but you can give it a try.

[Kage]

hm.. i just looke at amazon: the AATCHB-DVD is the same as the live-cd... so it would be only a vizualised-cd-version;
Closure seems to be better but its only on VHS... or has it been released on DVD afterwards too? i can't find it. amazon doesn't have it :upset:
The plan a few months ago was to release Closure on DVD, but it hasn't happened yet due to legal issues with the material. It will eventually. AATCHB is far superior, though.

[repcak]

Well, if you go to yahoo and search for Nine Inch Nails under 'videos', they have a few of the in studio performances. If I'm not mistaken they have one of them rehearsing Just Like You Imagined. They also have The Becoming, and Something I Can Never Have. I'm not sure if you can save them on to your pc or not...but you can give it a try.
great, thank you! i got it!!

http://www.knarrnia.com/archives/000621.html (something i can never have)
and
http://www.deathwish.net/media/becoming_high.mov (the becoming)

//hope this is not against the rules

The plan a few months ago was to release Closure on DVD, but it hasn't happened yet due to legal issues with the material. It will eventually. AATCHB is far superior, though.
do you think i should get AATCHB? but i already got the cd... its the same show... the one is a bestof-live music cd, the DVD is a music video,... but there are the same songs... whats about bonus-material?
and the dvd is expensive too :upset: 42€

[Toaster]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know why NIN put "halo ___" on all of their albums? I assume there's some cool, disturbing meaning behind it.

[BlindWriting]

I agree, AATCHB is one of his emotional best. I actually think Still is the most solid album he's released. I love the acoustic feel of it, especially the piano instrumentals. He makes some of his best music when it's just him sitting behind a piano.
I absolutely love "AATCHB", the song. Amazing. The only other two from Still that I have heard, and have on my computer, are "Something I Can Never Have", "Gone, Still", and "Adrift and At Peace" (which is basically a conclusion to "La Mer" and "Into the Void"). I'd love to someday get the rest of Still.

[Kage]

do you think i should get AATCHB? but i already got the cd... its the same show... the one is a bestof-live music cd, the DVD is a music video,... but there are the same songs... whats about bonus-material?
and the dvd is expensive too :upset: 42€
I do recommend it. It's an amazing DVD. And, even though you've heard all the songs, the visual aspect is more than half of the appeal. The visual effects on La Mer and The Great Below are worth the entire price of the DVD alone.

And, yes, there is some very cool bonus material.

[Killtacular]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know why NIN put "halo ___" on all of their albums? I assume there's some cool, disturbing meaning behind it.
I don't really know why Trent did it, but I'll assume it's because he's hardcore like that.

[repcak]

@BlindWriting: if you are interested i can upload Still.
YSI don't work on my computer, but i can upload it on my homepage for 2days (not longer, cause i can get problems with the admins)... give me your email and i will send you the link this weekend

[BlindWriting]

That link from a couple pages back (http://www.sickamongthepure.com/files/2002/02/TDS/TDS.html) was awesome. I'd love to read that while listening to the album.

On another topic, what does everyone think of the lyrics to "La Mer"? While they're technically not sung in the song itself, they're quite chilling to read.

And when the day arrives
I'll become the sky
And I'll become the sea

And the sea will come to kiss me
For I am going
Home

Nothing can stop me now
See what I mean?


@BlindWriting: if you are interested i can upload Still.
YSI don't work on my computer, but i can upload it on my homepage for 2days (not longer, cause i can get problems with the admins)... give me your email and i will send you the link this weekendThat would be just awesome. Thanks very much.
DanS122@optonline.net

[repcak]

in the fragile he repeats the symbol/metaphor of "sea" several times... i'm not sure but as far as i remember it stays for a girl/woman/relationship.

i'll check this out tomorrow...gn8

[Kage]

On another topic, what does everyone think of the lyrics to "La Mer"? While they're technically not sung in the song itself, they're quite chilling to read.


See what I mean?
I didn't know that's what the lyrics were. Those are really great.

[misunderstood]

@BlindWriting: if you are interested i can upload Still.
YSI don't work on my computer, but i can upload it on my homepage for 2days (not longer, cause i can get problems with the admins)... give me your email and i will send you the link this weekend

Hey, if you don't mind I'd also like to download the album.
skorpio_f@msn.com

By the way, AATCHB dvd is quite awesome. Love that dvd. I think it's worth a buy.

Just wondering..would anyone happen to have that new NIN song Trent performed for the Katrina relief concert...'Non-Entity'?

[Kage]

Yeah...I do. I'll upload it and send it to you and whoever else wants it.

[bwnstl]

I would like it. bjwumr AT gmail DOT com

oh, and Trent labeled all the albums Halo __ simply as a cataloging system.

[Kage]

Sent.

[Mr Herb]

only pwns!

[repcak]

hey, kage... i wanna have it too :D please, thank you

repcak@gmx.at

[repcak]

i just send the mail with the link to nin-still (DanS122@optonline.net, skorpio_f@msn.com, bjwumr@gmail.com)

YSI worked even this time...

[misunderstood]

Thanks Kage and Repcak for sending the files. I greatly appreciate it. :thumb:

[BlindWriting]

Repcak, thank you so much. You're the man. I owe you one.

[bwnstl]

I was referring to Kage since I already have still, but thanks anyways repcak for the thought! :)

[repcak]

i wasn't sure, so i sent you the links too

And thank you Kage for the Non-Entity song!!
did you realized the rhythm/beat? it has to be really hard to play it... first there is the drum and afterwards the piano ... but the rhythm/beat of both (drum and piano) is different... i am impressed how he is able to play to this rhythm/beat and sing at once :thumb:

[BlindWriting]

I listened to Still a few days ago. There's some beautiful instrumental stuff on there (Leaving Hope and Gone, Still) as well as some great renditions of his earlier stuff. Really fantastic rainy day music.

[misunderstood]

Really fantastic rainy day music.
Exactly!

Has anyone heard about this whole Trent solo tour? I wonder when exactly this is suppose to take place (if it does happen). From my understanding, NIN is suppose to do another US tour early next year and then head back to the studio immidiately to finish a follow up to With Teeth which Reznor wants to release next year as well. Anyway, if the solo tour were to happen, I think it'd be pretty darn cool. Just Trent and a piano..nice.

[Shadows]

I find that NIN is great as background music. If I put on some NIN and start doing my homearok, I find that those several hours are much more pleasurable and less straining.

[misunderstood]

Good News: Pretty Hate Machine is going to be reissued on Nov.22! Finally after being out of print for quite some time. Anyway, it might be released in surround sound, with some bonus tracks and remixes...and perhaps a deluxe packaging? Awesome.

[repcak]

wow, i hope he remixes the album once again, because on his debut album you hear the 'poor' quality of the instruments/synth/etc.

[Turkish]

Good News: Pretty Hate Machine is going to be reissued on Nov.22! Finally after being out of print for quite some time. Anyway, it might be released in surround sound, with some bonus tracks and remixes...and perhaps a deluxe packaging? Awesome.

nice, I was afraid I'd have to import it. This is good news. :thumb:

[misunderstood]

...at the hollywood bowl was the last show that i will play with nine inch nails.
contrary to many published reports in the music press, i want to make it clear that my departure from the band has absolutely NOTHING to do with my health. i've learned much about myself and those around me (particularly in the last month) and it's brought about many positive changes. my association with the organization has opened many doors- i'm grateful and i'm ready to move on.
although i appreciate the concern, i am not sick or recouperating. i feel great (physically and otherwise) and am playing the best drums of my life right now. more later.............jerome.


:upset:
Bummer! I liked him with NIN.

[repcak]

hm? what the hell.....

is the drummer leaving the band or did i misunderstood something..... :confused:

[misunderstood]

Yeah, Jerome Dillon has been drumming with NIN since The Fragile days...and now he's gone. I guess this kinda explains some of Reznor's recent posts at nin.com..maybe.

[repcak]

post..? hm...

/check this out

edit: can't find it...

[bwnstl]

He already has.....
Jerome Dillon hasn't been playing with NIN for like 3 weeks. That post by him is just him saying that he won't be coming back.
Alex Carepetis(sp?) has been filling in quite well for the last few weeks.

[G_Mac07]

I'm listening to Radiant Decay again, and the version of Something I Can Never Have that's on there is far more beautiful than I remember it being. I love the female vocals.

[Reywas]

My favourite PHM song excluding SICNH and HLAH would probably be Sin or Terrible Lie.

[bwnstl]

I think that is NINs worst album, personally.

[Kage]

I'm listening to Radiant Decay again, and the version of Something I Can Never Have that's on there is far more beautiful than I remember it being. I love the female vocals.
Hmm...this I have not heard. An upload is in order, perhaps?

[G_Mac07]

Sure thing. Album or song.

And I thought you had posted you e-mail in here recently, but I can't find it, so can you post it again.

If your still looking for Deadwing I can do that now as well

[Kage]

Album, if you don't mind. :)

And I'm not looking for Deadwing...I've had it for a while :confused:

saydstrings@gmail.com

[G_Mac07]

Album, if you don't mind. :)

And I'm not looking for Deadwing...I've had it for a while :confused:

saydstrings@gmail.com

:eek: Really? I must be confusing usernames with someone in the PT thread. 27 hours without sleep does that. Uploading now.

I think that is NINs worst album, personally.

Radiant Decay? I'm inclined to agree. Most of the mixes are pretty mediocore. It's worth it just for the version of SICNH though.

EDIT: Sorry Kage, upon further inpection I realised I meant Signify. I don't know where I got Deadwing from. I don't even own it. :confused:

[Kage]

:eek: Really? I must be confusing usernames with someone in the PT thread. 27 hours without sleep does that. Uploading now.



Radiant Decay? I'm inclined to agree. Most of the mixes are pretty mediocore. It's worth it just for the version of SICNH though.

EDIT: Sorry Kage, upon further inpection I realised I meant Signify. I don't know where I got Deadwing from. I don't even own it. :confused:
Yeah, that would be great to send Signify, I am looking for that. Thanks :)

[G_Mac07]

Both sent. If anyone else wants either post you E-Mail and I'll foward the links to you.

[repcak]

hey, yes, would you be so nice? would be great... thanks

repcak@gmx.at

[Kage]

Both sent. If anyone else wants either post you E-Mail and I'll foward the links to you.
Thanks so much, man. I'm downloading both as we speak.

[misunderstood]

Both sent. If anyone else wants either post you E-Mail and I'll foward the links to you.

skorpio_f@msn.com

THanks.

[repcak]

hm, there is one thing i always wanted to know.
Why are you listening to Nine Inch Nails!? what is it? only the music, the lyrics? do you listen to him, because you are depressive?

And the second thing is.
When was your first contact with Nine Inch Nails, and in what form... through a friend, girlfriend, radio... what was your first song? did you like NIN from the first song on, or did you need time?

can't wait for your responses....

[Kage]

hm, there is one thing i always wanted to know.
Why are you listening to Nine Inch Nails!? what is it? only the music, the lyrics? do you listen to him, because you are depressive?

And the second thing is.
When was your first contact with Nine Inch Nails, and in what form... through a friend, girlfriend, radio... what was your first song? did you like NIN from the first song on, or did you need time?

can't wait for your responses....
The reason I listen to NIN...I don't know. I just love the music. I love the fact that Reznor composes it all himself, and how emotional it is. I like the way he uses machines to create very real and human music. He's ingenius with his use of layering and songwriting. He can be one of the most abbrassive artists I listen to, and then turn around and be the complete opposite...pure beauty. But there's also beauty in his loud sound too.

The first time I heard NIN was when I was going on a search for their music, because the logo intrigued me. Honestly, that's the reason. I saw the logo and heard about "this band called Nine Inch Nails" and I was very intrigued by it. So I heard Head Like a Hole and I liked it. After a while, I bought the Fragile and was completely blown away.

[Turkish]

hm, there is one thing i always wanted to know.
Why are you listening to Nine Inch Nails!? what is it? only the music, the lyrics? do you listen to him, because you are depressive?

And the second thing is.
When was your first contact with Nine Inch Nails, and in what form... through a friend, girlfriend, radio... what was your first song? did you like NIN from the first song on, or did you need time?

can't wait for your responses....


I listen to NIN, not only because I like the music...but the emotion and energy Trent puts into everything. First song I listened to is "We're in This Together" I saw it on MTV when the video came out. I loved that song and always will remain my favorite by NIN.

But I did need some time, I didn't like everything by them until I saw them in concert about a month ago. When I saw their live performance and how it blew everything that I've seen up to that point out of the water...I really started giving everything else a more honest, focused listen. I really have found a lot of material that I absolutely love.

I love The Fragile, but Pretty Hate Machine is my favorite by NIN.

[misunderstood]

The reason I listen to NIN...I don't know. I just love the music. I love the fact that Reznor composes it all himself, and how emotional it is. I like the way he uses machines to create very real and human music. He's ingenius with his use of layering and songwriting. He can be one of the most abbrassive artists I listen to, and then turn around and be the complete opposite...pure beauty. But there's also beauty in his loud sound too.

Exactly! I couldn't have put it any other way. Just love the music and emotion it carries.

I first heard of NIN (on the radio) in 1994 when TDS came out and "Closer" was the first song I heard. I liked "Hurt" but that was it. I really didn't get into them until about four or five years ago. I took me a few listens to get really into them and after that I was pretty much just hooked. :thumb:

[Reywas]

thomlazyeyed@yahoo.com

I would like that album too.Yesterday I watched Natural Born Killers.Damn fine movie.

[repcak]

I would like that album too.Yesterday I watched Natural Born Killers.Damn fine movie.

Natural Born Killers is such a great film... i have seen him about five times or even more. The scene where SICNH is played couldn't have been better for this song and film! And the song "Burn" is one of the greatest songs Trent ever wrote :D

[Reywas]

Yeah NBK = great movie.

I'm just listening to the Radiant Decay album.Female vocals on SICNH are so good and fitting.

[G_Mac07]

Phew, I couldn't remember if I ended up sending you the link to that or not, but obviously I did. The female vocals make SICNH even more beautiful that it already is.

The Frail was the other song that featured in Natural Born Killers right?

[Reywas]

Nope it was A Warm Place.The movie was made in 1994 so Frail couldn't make the cut.

[G_Mac07]

Ah good point.

It's been ages since I've seen it though, I might watch it tonight.

[misunderstood]

Would anyone happen to have "Right Where It Belongs V.2"? If so, I'd really appreciate it if someone would send it to me at skorpio_f@msn.com , please. I'm having a hard time finding it elsewhere.

[misunderstood]

^^Yeah, I believe it was a bonus only on the UK album. Anyway, Thank you very much for uploading it for me.

[BlindWriting]

If you're going to upload that, could you do Home as well?

[bwnstl]

And if you're going to do those two, can I get in on that action?

bjwumr AT gmail DOT com

Thanks much.

[Kage]

Med, did you get your post count reset or something?

The stripped down version of Right Where It Belongs is really cool.

[misunderstood]

Med57, got it...and it worked. Thanks again. :thumb:

[clearvision]

robertchapman88@gmail.com

Cheers Med.

[repcak]

med, can you send me the link too? thanks

repcak@gmx.at

[Killtacular]

Cmon, Mederator, hit me up.
doom___cannon AT hotmail DOT com

[repcak]

hm... but what version is this (of the song)? never heard it...from what album?

[BlindWriting]

I got my postcount reset at the end of July. ;) But yeah, I did have it reset. Blindwriting, I tried sending the links to the e-mail address you registered with, but that didn't work for some reason. :-\ Sorry about that, but I'll need something else if you want the tracks. Ideally add me on either AIM or MSN, as it's easier that way.
DanS122@optonline.net

Hope that works, and thanks a bunch.

[misunderstood]

hm... but what version is this (of the song)? never heard it...from what album?

Are you talking about "Home" and "Right Where It Belongs"? If so, they were released only in the UK on the With Teeth album. They got them as bonus tracks.

[repcak]

yes exactly.... hm... hasn't the japan-verion more bonus material?

[misunderstood]

If I'm not mistaken, I think they have those two plus a remix of THTF. I don't think they actually have a whole new song. Who knows.

[Sebek]

Went to the concert in Philly on Saturday, it was awesome.

Second time I've seen them, although I think I prefer the one at the Electric Factory back in May, the smaller club setting makes it more intimate, and the crowd was a little more into the moshing and pits which was just fun as all what.

[repcak]

does anyone has the alternative version of "All the love in the world" his first song on With Teeth?! would like to have it :)

[Reywas]

thomlazyeyed@yahoo.com

I would appreciate Home actually if you guys would forward the link.

[repcak]

i just listen to right where it belongs v.2 and its wonderful ... so beautiful.

thank you :)

[misunderstood]

does anyone has the alternative version of "All the love in the world" his first song on With Teeth?! would like to have it :)

:eek: There's an alternative version to that song? I didn't know that.

[BlindWriting]

Many thanks to Med for the uploads.

Oh and I just realized that I have a live version of Home on my iTunes. Interesting.

The alternate Right Where It Belongs is fantastic.

[repcak]

:eek: There's an alternative version to that song? I didn't know that.
as far as i remember, hm, i once read it somewhere, but maybe i interchange it with "right where it belongs" :rolleyes:

[repcak]

hm... i had a lot to do for university and therefore i hadn't the time to listen to the 'Something i can never have' version of Radiant Decay.
... and it's disgusting.

i don't want to say, that the composition is bad, no its good, but the voice is horrible. For me it is as if a little girl would sing a song she can't/don't understand... where is the emotion? this song is so depressive and beautiful - and what does she does? she violates the song! she sings without feeling, she sings monotonic.
I think i am the only one, a lot of you said before, that the version is great... for me its not.

ps.: isn't the background sample taken from the movie 'Requiem for a dream'?

OMG... what had they done to HURT... :upset: thats pure RAPE!!!!

[misunderstood]

^Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled about it either, actually. I'm usually not a very big fan of female vocals. Not saying that I don't like any. Heh, being a female myself you'd think I'd stand by them but I don't know. Anyway, yeah, I heard most of the songs but I couldn't get through "Hurt".:upset:

[G_Mac07]

I'm a real sucker for female vocals, so I loved it. I can understand how you find it monotonous though.

As for the rest of the album, it's pretty bad. I still haven't listened Hurt all the way through, as I just can't take it.

[repcak]

there are passages/moments when Trent Reznor accents some words in this song (to give emotion) - she didn't.

and i haven't said that i don't like female vocals.... it has nothing i common with female vocals... she just can't sing 'Something I Can Never Have'

[deadinholywood]

If anyone has got it (and has time!) could they please send me still... I cant find my copy anywhere :upset: :upset: :upset:
dead_in_holywood@hotmail.com
thanks guys!

[clearvision]

Amen, can i have it too..robertchapman88@gmail.com

[repcak]

yes, no problem... as far as i won't have any problems with YSI, i will send you the link; when i will get problems i will upload it on my homepage

/just listen to 'still' and its my birthday :upset:

[misunderstood]

Well, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! Hope you have a good one. :thumb:

[misunderstood]

So a chat with Trent took place last night over at the spiral boards. Just thought I'd post up the "important' or "interesting' points on here for other fellow NIN fans.

--I heard that you were willing to do a re-released version of Pretty Hate Machine with extra songs, but Ryko wouldn't pay for it. What extra songs do you have that are unreleased from that era? Any chance they can be posted on iTunes or on nin.com for free?
trent_reznor> There are a FEW snippets that are from that era that with the proper motivation could be developed / finished / mixed

--Will there ever be another album like Still??
trent_reznor> I'd like that, too. I'm working on a few things all at once right now. Some of the stuff is in that category and I may group it together into a similar-type thing. NOT the next "proper" NIN record, though.

--I've heard rumors of a soloish piano tour, similar to the performance for reAct. How likely is this, when might it happen, and can you provide us with any other details?
trent_reznor> Wow - many people have asked me that recently. I was thinking out loud during an interview when I mentioned that (never a good idea). I would LIKE to do that eventually, but it will not be in the next 6 months - my time is filled at the moment with touring and working on the new record.

--Can you please clarify the situation with Jerome Dillon in regards to the conflicting reports we've been hearing?
trent_reznor> Here's the truth: regardless of what he apparently now wants you to believe, we cancelled several shows due to his heart. He told me "I have a clean bill of health" and shortly thereafter he spent the night again in the hospital. We auditioned drummers to complete the tour - with full disclosure to Jerome. He reacted poorly to us finding someone and choosing to finish this current leg of the tour with that person. Tempers flared and the decision to permanently replace him was made - by everyone in the band and management. Jerome is a great drummer and I truly wish him well - sometimes he just seems to get his facts a little mixed up.

--Trent, will you continue doing meet & greets and soundchecks thru next years tour?
trent_reznor> Maybe. Let me explain. The condition I demanded in regards to continuing the tour was that I could have time to work on the new record. That may eat into soundcheck time for me. We'll see. I enjoy meeting you guys.

--any possibilities of releasing the tour on dvd
trent_reznor> I wanted to film this leg, but there was problems with the record label. I hope to film the upcoming tour (which will be announced very soon)

--Would you ever consider doing a completely instrumental album? Or a score as opposed to a soundtrack for a film?
trent_reznor> Maybe, as long as it didn't mislead people as to what it was.

--I'm sure this question has been asked a million times but is Closure still going to be coming out on DVD? If so, when can we expect it?
trent_reznor> I've been asking that same question myself. It's done and waiting on the record label.

--What are the chances of hearing a studio version of "Non Entity", or other B-Sides/new tracks not on With Teeth?
trent_reznor> Chances are good. Patience.

--will you be purchasing manson's new fragrance?
trent_reznor> He's certainly made some things recently that SOUND like ****, has he moved into other senses as well?


Ok, well, i gotta go at the moment...I apologize for the long post. If anyone is interested i'll post up whats left of it a little later.

[repcak]

wow... some nice news up there. yes post more of them.... want to read the whole interview.

When he plans to make a second 'still' record i can't imagine he can do this... still ist just perfect! its the same as with the Fragile... he never will top this and if he really does a second still it will have a very different sound and style.

to the last question... trent still doesn't speak to MM :lol:


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edit: i just send you the link...

[misunderstood]

Ok, here's whats left of the chat transcript:

--trent- with the last release changing so much from the ones before it (fragile mainly) to more of a straight up rock type of thing- do you think you will continue in the same vein as "with teeth" or switch it up again? i've always loved how you can switch things up and still come across as totally confident in what you are doing.
trent_reznor> It really depends on what FEELS like the right thing to do - what excites me the most. So far, the new material is different than... well... different.

--being at the last show you played "not so pretty now" at (and the 2 after that) i was just wondering why you stopped playing it? did you just decide that you didn't want to play it anymore? are there any plans to release this song in the future? (studio version?)
trent_reznor> It will show up somewhere.

--Trent: What's the overall feeling you get after doing the meet & greets at shows?
trent_reznor> What I thought could turn out to be a hassle has been really cool. If it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't be able to be doing this, so a sincere thank you from me is due.

--ive webcasts are obviously very difficult to do, but are something we would all love. Where do you see Nine Inch Nails online content moving in the next couple years? Are webcasts planned? More behind-the-scenes footage like we're getting now? More info content (e.g. setlist archives)?
trent_reznor> Webcasts are coming. More interactivity is necessary. This is primitive, but at least it's a start. Thanks for bearing with us.

--Why no sacd version of with teeth? I think sacd shines above dvd quality sound, so was just wondering why one for tds and not with teeth?
trent_reznor> These decisions are made by record companies. Ask Interscope. I was told the future of music is the Dual Disc. Um... OK.

--Trent, will we ever get to hear "And All That Could Have Been", "We're in This Together Now" or "Sunspots" live?
trent_reznor> Yes, maybe and yes.

--Now that some time has passed. How do you feel about Nothing Records? Do you think you could have created "The Downward Spiral" or "The Fragile" if you had been directly under Interscope. Would those albums turned out different?
trent_reznor> Good question. As far as my own music, I don't think the concept of nothing records has any impact on the way they sound or the freedom to create them. As far as running a record company, I have no interest in this climate. The business side of the music industry is slimy and sickening.

--You've mentioned that the next tour will probably be a two-band bill. Who is your ideal choice for the second band?
trent_reznor> Not sure yet. Someone that I like, respect and could imagine hanging out with. Probably not DFA1979.

--Do you masturbate often?
trent_reznor> constantly. I am right now.

--Will you be returning to Canada after this leg of the tour is over?
trent_reznor> yes.

--So do you like your head shaved better?
trent_reznor> For the moment, yes.

--What was the last concert you went to as a spectator? Do you pick apart the sets/lighting/sound etc. or just enjoy the show?
trent_reznor> Just saw Kanye West and Dillinger Escape Plan one after the other in the same evening. Kanye did a respectable job for a hip-hop artist (who are ALWAYS terrible live) and Dillinger was unbelievable. The coolest thing I have seen in a long time.

--how did you like visiting japan? did you do anything exciting? what did you buy at akihabara?
trent_reznor> I love Japan. If the language barrier wasn't so great, I'd consider moving there.

--I'd like to see you record will Saul Williams, any chance of that?
trent_reznor> Yes, we've discussed working together on him new record.

--How much of the stage design and production elements are your concepts?
trent_reznor> I'm involved with all aspects. I hired Roy Bennett to come up with the look, then I get involved with the integration and particulars.

--when you are working on a song at what point do you know that you are done, without adding or taking away from it by continuing to tinker.
trent_reznor> I used to have a really tough time letting go. Now I'm learning when it's time to have the courage to say it's finished.

--The lyrics on the lyrical poster such as "message to no one" "the life you didn't lead" and "the warning" will these be songs that we'll eventually see released?
trent_reznor> ?

--Actually, when you're writing, do you have mental images that you translate into music, or does that depend on what you're working on at the time?
trent_reznor> A lot of THE FRAGILE started as visual "places" I'd picture in my mind, then try to "dress the set" with sound.

--trent: whats your fav. band right now? What kind of stuff are you into...whaqts your fav. band overall?
trent_reznor> Right this second, Autolux. I LOVE their record and really enjoyed getting to see them play every night. I still don't know how they do what they do.

--Who shot/edited the videos projected on the screen durring this tour?
trent_reznor> Andrea Giacobbe did the films we show during ERASER and RWIB. Rob and I did the effect on BYIT. Roy Bennett designed the set, Martin Phillips programmed and designed the look, Alastair Watson operates and has embellished it as the tour has progressed.

There ya go. That's all.

[misunderstood]

Just wondering if anyones managed to pick up the re-issued version of "Pretty Hate Machine"? If so, any major changes from the original?

[BlindWriting]

Neat interview, it's nice to see some questions answered (kind of?).

[Magicaltroll]

So what's this I hear of new versions of songs, or new songs from NIN?
Or did I read wrong up there?

(not the interview)

[spitfirejunky]

I saw them live at the Bell Centre in Montreal for free. My friend got me on the guest list.

I'm not a big fan, but the performance was very good.

[misunderstood]

New north american tour dates for 2006 have just been announced! No Texas dates yet! but then again only the first half have been released. I'm sure more dates and cities will show up soon. Anway, so far they've got:
2/10/06 - Champaign, IL
2/12/06 - Moline, IL
2/14/06 - Green Bay, WI
2/16/06 - De Moines, IA
2/18/06 - Kansas City, MO
2/20/06 - Grand Rapids, MI
2/21/06 - Toledo, OH
2/23/06 - Fort Wayne, IN
2/24/06 - Lexington, KY
2/25/06 - Cincinatti, OH
2/27/06 - Amherst, MA
2/28/06 - Portland, ME
3/02/06 - Quebec City, QC
3/03/06 - Ottawa, ON
3/06/06 - London, ON
3/07/06 - Erie, PA
3/09/06 - Rochester, NY
3/13/06 - Knoxville, TN
3/14/06 - Richmond, VA
3/16/06 - Greenville, SC
3/30/06 - Pensacola, FL
3/27/06 - Wichita, KS

[Shadows]

HOLY ****, NIN COMING TO MY HOMETOWN!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can't believe this is happening!!!!!!

[repcak]

and want them to come back to europe :upset:

[misunderstood]

So looks like Josh Freese is back as NIN's temporary drummer. Just read on the hotline that their recently added drummer, Alex Carapetis, got the boot. How weird. Is it me just wishful thinking or is there a possibility of Dillon returning? Anyway, still waiting on those Texas dates!

[repcak]

wha? john freese... the same man who plays in qotsa? awesome... and yeah, dillon would be great.

[bwnstl]

Dillon will most likely never play with NIN again.

[repcak]

why not... any reason not to play with NIN again?

[misunderstood]

Seems like Josh Freese may be the new 'official' drummer now. People who attended last nights show said that Trent introduced him as the offical NIN drummer. Oh well. I like Freese. I've seen him twice before and never disappoints. On a different note: Texas dates finally! Heh. And I dont even have to travel...they're coming right here to Austin! WooHoo!

[Shadows]

OH MY GOD

I just found out I may be going to see NIN live in February. They're actually coming to my hometown.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

My dream is coming true.

[Werny]

Josh Freese joining NIN? You guys should be more excited, we're talking about the A Perfect Circle drummer here!

*creams self upon hearing fills in The Package*

Not surprising, his drumming on eMotive was rather industrial-ish.

[misunderstood]

^Hell yeah, I'm excited about Josh Freese joining. I know it may seem otherwise but its just that for a whole minute there I had hope that Dillon would return. But anyway, getting tickets for the Austin show! Hopefully they'll have another meet and greet...I'd love to meet Mr.Freese, heh.

[G_Mac07]

It's been ages since I've looked in here, and I return to get this wonderful news. I should look in more often :D

[repcak]

Josh Freese joining NIN? You guys should be more excited, we're talking about the A Perfect Circle drummer here!

*creams self upon hearing fills in The Package*

Not surprising, his drumming on eMotive was rather industrial-ish.

wha? the drumer from APC :eek: :D

wow, thats amazing!

[G_Mac07]

NIN just got nominated for a Grammy Award. Best Hard Rock Performance I believe.

[Jasarn]

NIN just got nominated for a Grammy Award. Best Hard Rock Performance I believe.

Lets pull the Australian Artists thread out of the gutter.

[G_Mac07]

Lets pull the Australian Artists thread out of the gutter.

It should only be a couple of pages back, someone bumped it and I did a small thing on my local acts.

[misunderstood]

NIN just got nominated for a Grammy Award. Best Hard Rock Performance I believe.

Heh, yeah, It'd be nice if they won, but this is what he had to say about the Grammys:

"I'd like to officially say FVCK the grammys. Talk about out of touch. If you want to see why the record business is collapsing, look no further than the incredible lack of talent and innovation being celebrated on those lists. The grammys are NOTHING more than a popularity contest under the guise of having some importance." -Trent Reznor

This was his response after being asked if they'd consider playing or attending the Grammys.

[G_Mac07]

Heh, yeah, It'd be nice if they won, but this is what he had to say about the Grammys:

"I'd like to officially say FVCK the grammys. Talk about out of touch. If you want to see why the record business is collapsing, look no further than the incredible lack of talent and innovation being celebrated on those lists. The grammys are NOTHING more than a popularity contest under the guise of having some importance." -Trent Reznor

This was his response after being asked if they'd consider playing or attending the Grammys.

Haha I hadn't seen that. I suppose NIN won't be winning anything then... :lol:

[bwnstl]

NIN just got nominated for a Grammy Award. Best Hard Rock Performance I believe.

The honor of that is lessened when you see all the other "artists" also nominated.

[ThunderBass]

The honor of that is lessened when you see all the other "artists" also nominated.

123

[Werny]

I hope Freese gets the chance to pull off some mad fills with NIN, he alone rivals Martin Lopez in terms of unique and fitting fills.

I'll certainly feel good if Trent wins the Grammy, because it means he's getting recognition, but I won't think of it as an honour to him. It isn't an award for talent, it's an award for popularity.

[misunderstood]

So it seems as if though we'll finally be seeing a release date for the CLOSURE dvd...finally! :naughty:

Should be great. It's suppose to include what was previously on the vhs set plus 90more minutes of extra footage, the Broken movie, footage from Woodstock '94 and Lollapalooza. And some other extra stuff!

*impatiently waits for this one and Tool dvd*:p

[repcak]

he hasn't released the closure dvd for so long, i doubt he will do it now in the near future... don't be so optimistic

[misunderstood]

"I THINK it's official, so I'm going to spill the beans here:
I'll be doing the DVD re-issue of Nine Inch Nails' 1997 Closure documentary and music video collection which, up until now, had only been available in VHS format.
95% of the work is already done, as I started it as a spec project almost a year ago. Right now, I'm just fleshing out some of the screens and adding more material provided by Interscope.
[...]
Right now, I'm just doing the menu design. However, there's a good chance I may be doing the cover art as well. I've already actually designed the cover, but I dunno if they'll use it or not." --Chad Michael Ward

Ah, don't be so pessimistic. I just thought that post was good news. Maybe the dvd will finally see the light of day.

[repcak]

hm... its even an official statement.

but why not BEFORE christmas :upset: grrr....

[repcak]

I've got "... And all that could have been" DVD for christmas :D :D

can anyon tell me, how i will see all the eastereggs?

[repcak]

bump

hm... nobody know? as far as i know there is a bonus: MM and TR playing star****ers and the beautiful people together; what do i have to press to see the video?

[Werny]

Repcak, if I'm not mistaken, you can actually download that video off the official NIN website. It might only be a portion, though.

I'm suprised no one pointed out the irony of MM singing a song which is meant to be a parody of him.

I've got the full clip on my computer and it's nothing to stress about.

[Kage]

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hm... nobody know? as far as i know there is a bonus: MM and TR playing star****ers and the beautiful people together; what do i have to press to see the video?
Go to this link -- http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005RZPO/qid=1135716401/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1508972-7288632?n=507846&s=dvd&v=glance

Read the first review of the DVD. It has a comprehensive guide to accessing the secret content.

It has some good stuff (TDTWWA video) and some not-so-good (the Manson performance).

[deadinholywood]

^Dont forget reptile!! that song totally goes off live!

[Kage]

^Dont forget reptile!! that song totally goes off live!
Definately. I was going to mention that but...didn't.

[repcak]

Repcak, if I'm not mistaken, you can actually download that video off the official NIN website. It might only be a portion, though.

I'm suprised no one pointed out the irony of MM singing a song which is meant to be a parody of him.

I've got the full clip on my computer and it's nothing to stress about.

i know that you can download the video from the official nin website, but the quality is poor... and dvd is dvd-quality :thumb:

@kage: thank you for the link

[ValeOfShadows]

The Hand That Feeds is the only song iv ever really liked. Though i havent heard much.

[misunderstood]

Hmm. Haven't been around this thread for a while. Repcak, that's great that you got the dvd for x-mas. What did you think of the extra footage? The MM video isn't all that great, I think.

ValeOfShadows, THTF is a good song. I don't mind it. But it's definately not their best. You should check out tracks such as 'And All That Could Have Been', 'The Becoming' and 'Reptile' (among others). 'Dead Souls' is a good one too. I'm assuming you've heard a few others like 'Closer', 'Head Like a Hole' and perhaps 'Hurt'?

[Werny]

I listened to The Fragile all the way through the other night, it has awesome flow but the individual songs are too alike to make it really fantastic. I would rather it as a single album so it didn't need so much filler.

[repcak]

yesterday i saw the dvd for the first time and it was great! a fantastic show; the effects and the videos during the live shows were stunning.
i haven't seen the extra-bonus material yet... i will do that when i will be in vienna again;

[Darth Sidious]

so NIN are starting a new tour. Here's hoping they'll come to Melbourne again.

[repcak]

hm... great for americans... but there are no european tour dates *sad*

[deadinholywood]

so NIN are starting a new tour. Here's hoping they'll come to Melbourne again.

Woo ill take another dose of NIN at Rod Laver anyday, but it probably wont be for a while yet :upset:
Were you for the pit for the first show Darth?

[vashts80]

I'm seeing NIN in Atlantic City. I ****ing marked out when I saw the date on their site

[vashts80]

Correction: I was supposed to see them. They sold out in 8 goddamn minutes. Damn scalpers, there's an assload of GA tickets on ebay, but they're ranging from $120 per ticket, to $200 per ticket, to $400 for a pair. For general admission.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Thats gotta suck.

[misunderstood]

Correction: I was supposed to see them. They sold out in 8 goddamn minutes. Damn scalpers, there's an assload of GA tickets on ebay, but they're ranging from $120 per ticket, to $200 per ticket, to $400 for a pair. For general admission.


Damn those scalpers! The same thing happened when NIN was first going on tour to support 'With Teeth'...when they did the club tour last year. I was lucky enough to get tickets for the Austin show but that one also sold out within 3-5mins...as did the Houston show which I wanted to also attend. Anyway, I'll be seeing NIN again on March 24th! :cool: Can't wait.
By the way, for those outside of the U.S., seems like they might do a world tour again. At one of the last chats that happened over at the spiral, Reznor himself mentioned something about doing this last U.S. tour and going overseas one more time before finally taking a break. Perhaps they'll be attending summer festivals?

[Kage]

Correction: I was supposed to see them. They sold out in 8 goddamn minutes. Damn scalpers, there's an assload of GA tickets on ebay, but they're ranging from $120 per ticket, to $200 per ticket, to $400 for a pair. For general admission.
Same exact thing happened to me on their first WT tour. It sucks, and I felt the exact way as you. I missed getting tickets by less than one minute.

[White]

Ya, Srry lol I just found this thread. But yah, I like Nine Inch nails stuff, I had all there albums on my Ipod but it accidentally all got deleted, now Im trying to find someone to borrow "Pretty hate Machine" from, cause that wasd by far my favorite album.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

First time I heard of NIN, I expected them to be an overlyexagerated heavy power chord crazy death metal type band.

I was miles from accuracy, these guys blow me away with their sound. For some reason, and not because I'm a bassist, the basslines seem to stand out most in their music.

[Kage]

Interesting. I've never heard anyone say the bass stands out the most for him in NIN. Cool to hear that, though.

[White]

First time I heard of NIN, I expected them to be an overlyexagerated heavy power chord crazy death metal type band.

I was miles from accuracy, these guys blow me away with their sound. For some reason, and not because I'm a bassist, the basslines seem to stand out most in their music.

Ya, thats what I always thought of them as back when I was really judgmental, and I couldnt be more wrong, and its sad because thats what the general Public thinks of them.

Anyone wanna give me ANY NIN albums Over MSN add me please id_rather-not@hotmail.com cause im completly without and it sux hard. so any help is apreacciated

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I've always thought the bass was a major part of the band. They are a prime example of simple bass lines that sound awesome.

[randomthought9]

Interesting. I've never heard anyone say the bass stands out the most for him in NIN. Cool to hear that, though.

Yeah, I feel the same way, the bass is really catchy.

[bwnstl]

The bass is really catchy on With Teeth. On all the other albums everything is usually really layered over everything so the bass doesn't really stand out.

[Werny]

The bass is really catchy on With Teeth. On all the other albums everything is usually really layered over everything so the bass doesn't really stand out.

What about on Pretty Hate Machine? The bass is the prominent instrument for a few songs on that, and it's lovely.

[HazMan]

I love that third song on the Downward Spiral, 'God is Dead' song.

[Darth Sidious]

Woo ill take another dose of NIN at Rod Laver anyday, but it probably wont be for a while yet :upset:
Were you for the pit for the first show Darth?

nah, I was lower seats. Hoping to get pit this time if they come.

[misunderstood]

The bass is really catchy on With Teeth.
Yeah, it is. I also thought it was very bass driven the first few times I heard it. I like it though.


I love that third song on the Downward Spiral, 'God is Dead' song.
'Heresy'...awesome song. TDS is without a doubt my favorite NIN album. Love every single track on there. 'The Becoming' is a personal fave.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Ya, Srry lol I just found this thread. But yah, I like Nine Inch nails stuff, I had all there albums on my Ipod but it accidentally all got deleted, now Im trying to find someone to borrow "Pretty hate Machine" from, cause that wasd by far my favorite album.
Pretty Hate Machine has just been re-issued; you should get in the habit of buying albums you like.

'Heresy'...awesome song. TDS is without a doubt my favorite NIN album. Love every single track on there. 'The Becoming' is a personal fave.
I dunno, I've never really got TDS; it's a really good album, but I prefer With Teeth. Maybe it's just that WT is a little more immediate and accessible, but it seems a more enjoyable listen.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

The bass is really catchy on With Teeth. On all the other albums everything is usually really layered over everything so the bass doesn't really stand out.
That's what I was mainly focusing on.

Bass is supposed to be layer into the music though, if you remove it you could probablly tell that the void of their sound is missing.

[bwnstl]

What about on Pretty Hate Machine? The bass is the prominent instrument for a few songs on that, and it's lovely.

True, but PHM sucks balls. :(

Yeah, it is. I also thought it was very bass driven the first few times I heard it. I like it though.

Yeah, seems like Teh Reznor has a newfound obsession with the low end; notice how bass and drum driven the entire WT album is, not to mention it was the first album he used live drums on.

Bass is supposed to be layer into the music though, if you remove it you could probablly tell that the void of their sound is missing.

I agree, but I think it's so layered on TDS and most of The Fragile that it's incomprehensible, and I like being able to hear it because it makes it easier to figure out how to play. =P

[repcak]

PHM don't suck ball :angry: its an excellent record... i listened to it a lot recently and i like it a lot.

Trent used bass lines all the time... the first time i really recognised them in the songs was TDS. especially in Heresy i think, but i'm not sure... maybe it was another song.

[King B]

I ****ing love pretty hate machine. That and downward spiral are really the only ones I like.

[Kage]

I agree, but I think it's so layered on TDS and most of The Fragile that it's incomprehensible, and I like being able to hear it because it makes it easier to figure out how to play. =P
Of course, there's Just Like You Imagined and La Mer that both have very prominent and melodic bass lines that drive the songs.

I listened through NIN's entire discography last night. Actually, it was only the four main LPs, but it was still very cool. None of those records have lost any of their luster over the years.

[White]

I ****ing love pretty hate machine. That and downward spiral are really the only ones I like.

Downward spiral was a pretty good album, I too enjoyed it

[bwnstl]

Of course, there's Just Like You Imagined and La Mer that both have very prominent and melodic bass lines that drive the songs.

I listened through NIN's entire discography last night. Actually, it was only the four main LPs, but it was still very cool. None of those records have lost any of their luster over the years.

Why I said MOST of The Fragile. :)

OH, and I utterly hate PHM. It's just a boring record. The songs put me to sleep.

[repcak]

ringfinger, sanctified, something i can never have, down in it, sin ... are all from PHM and they are all great!

I listened through NIN's entire discography last night. Actually, it was only the four main LPs, but it was still very cool. None of those records have lost any of their luster over the years.
that's one of these things i do too, from time to time... the whole night long only NIN :D

[bwnstl]

Sanctified, Something I Can Never Have, and Sin are the only songs I like from it. Head Like a Hole and Terrible Lie were amazing live, but on the record it's just blah.

[repcak]

Head like a hole and terrible lie are live far most better, but on the record they are not revolutionary but OK.

beside that: the best Something i can never have version is a) on the Still cd, b) on Natural Born Killers soundtrack :D

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Head like a hole and terrible lie are live far most better, but on the record they are not revolutionary but OK.



I agree with that soo much.

[repcak]

Has anyone of you seen "Broken - the movie" ?! want to know what you think about it.... :rolleyes:

[bwnstl]

Boring. Except for the Happiness in Slavery part.

[repcak]

boring? hm... i have't seen the whole film, only some scenes and it seems very brutal.... it reminds me snuff-films (-> 8mm: have you seen the film? with nicolas cage)

edit: i just watched the whole movie... hm... i still don't understand why Trent Reznor made this film... why?!

[misunderstood]

I've seen pieces of it. They screened the "Happiness in Slavery" video at the With Teeth release party I attended last year. It was...gruesome. I couldn't stop watching though, heh.:amaze: Anyway, I did read however that the reason Reznor did the Broken Movie was simply to see how far he could get with it. I think it was at the time he was having problems with his label and they were trying to control his every move or something. Guess he was just trying to piss them off.

Then he goes on and says that the reason he never released the movie was because he didn't want to have to explain it to every reporter he met...said it made the 'Happiness in Slavery' video look like a Disney movie. :confused:

By the way, Repcak, where'd you find the movie?

[repcak]

Broken was indicated ... forbidden... you can't buy it, but i found it on emule (2p2 network)

in this video you see how a man is kidnapped by another person, who rapes him, tortures him and kills him in the end... aerated with the videoclips of 'wish' and 'happiness in slavery'

and i agree with you; i too think that reznor wanted to see how far he can go until people/publicity will shout:"stop" ... he achieved his goal :p

[Kage]

boring? hm... i have't seen the whole film, only some scenes and it seems very brutal.... it reminds me snuff-films (-> 8mm: have you seen the film? with nicolas cage)

edit: i just watched the whole movie... hm... i still don't understand why Trent Reznor made this film... why?!
I've never seen the whole movie, but I have seen parts of it, and that was my exact question as well: Why?!

I mean, stuff that derranged doesn't come from a normal person. But what Misunderstood said seems very logical, plus Reznor was about as heavy an alcoholic as you can get.

Closer is a far better artistic statement. The video is very surreal, but still very expressive and very cool. Then he became even more refined through the Fragile into the **** that he's calling a NIN video with songs like Only.

[repcak]

i won't call Trent Reznor a normal person... (like me). Trent Reznor is sick and his sickest phase in his life he had in broken. you only have to look at the lyrics, the video of happiness in slavery and the movie. its sick sick sick.

the biggest contradiction was to see the video "happiness in slavery" (for the first time) and right afterwards seeing the video "non-entity" live. it was so paradox. i couldn't/or better: it's hard to believe, that it was the same person, only 12years later. he changed so much during his lifetime.

and to be serious i don't want to know in what a bad (mental-) constitution he was, during "broken". it was his worst lifetime ever (i think)

the other point for broken, i supposse is the fact that he wanted to provoke the world... for whatever reason, i don't know. maybe he didn't really wanted to get such famous and wanted to destruct everything ... maybe this is 'broken' - a status: mr. sefldestruct his own musical career.


offtopic: @kage: do you still wanna make this pen pal thing?

[bwnstl]

Trent Reznor is not sick....
The only coherent way you could make the argument that he's sick is if you consider his alcoholism. Mentally he seems like an amazingly generous and kind person. He's campaigned against fur for PETA and done concert efforts to raise money to help the victims of Katrina.

[repcak]

now... now he is clean! but during broken and TDS he was mentally sick.. had depressions and so on. After The Fragile tour he collapsed completly and went for a rehab to a clinic.

[The Fonz]

yeah, if i ever have to do a biography for school, Trent would probably be one of the most interesting people to do.

[repcak]

i've done it. for my matura exam i've wrote a special topic about Trent Reznor... about 13pages long.
afterwards i edited it a little bit and posted it on mx -> featured artist serie

[The Fonz]

Im gonna have to read that, perhaps you can post a linky linky?

[Werny]

the other point for broken, i supposse is the fact that he wanted to provoke the world... for whatever reason, i don't know. maybe he didn't really wanted to get such famous and wanted to destruct everything ... maybe this is 'broken' - a status: mr. sefldestruct his own musical career.




Didn't he release Broken because of the record label being a twat? From what I hear, he had all of this anger from the record label messing him around so he wanted it to be as abrasive and disgusting as possible.

I tell you what, it definitely worked! Industrial reigns supreme as the harshest genre of music.

On another note, I still haven't really listened to With Teeth. It doesn't grab me.

And another note... I'm really loving Underneath It All right now. A really tragic song, to me.

[bwnstl]

Industrial is the harshest music? Umm.....what are you smoking?

[repcak]

i can agree with him.... although not 100%, but i think i know what he means. Industrial - the real one - was/is sometimes really harsh, and you can't compare it with NIN.
Industrial takes getting used to and is shocking. Listen to the old Skinny Puppy records or to Einstürzende Neubauten - Kollaps (i still can't listen to this record).

And the link for the FA about NIN:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394207

[Drone]

So...I go to the University of New Brunswick and I recently won a contest having to do with my off campus meal plan. I won $1000 toward a Spring Break vacation and I think I am gonna use it to see Nine Inch Nails in London, Ontario on March 6 with one friend :D:D:D:D. We never get any good concerts over here, so this is like a dream come true!